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Special Edition: OJ Simpson WILL go free! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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  Speaker 1: one thirty two. BOJ. Simpson will get his shot at freedom.
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  Speaker 1: Heany former football star, is sitting right now in a
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  Speaker 1: state prison for robbery in Las Vegas. You know, nine
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  Speaker 1: years away from your family is just just not wander
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, mister Simpson. I do vote to grant
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  Speaker 1: parol when eligible, and that will conclude this. Harry, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Unless he's been living under a rock, you know by
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  Speaker 1: now that a two time killer turned armed robber is
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  Speaker 1: set to walk free. That's right, O. J. Simpson Orenthal
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  Speaker 1: James Simpson, notorious football player turned killer, has been released
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  Speaker 1: by a Nevada parole board. I Nancy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to this. Mister Simpson. You organized this crime in
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  Speaker 1: which two victims were robbed at gunpoint. It was a
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  Speaker 1: serious crime and there was no excuse for it. You
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  Speaker 1: deserve to be sent to prison. You've been in prison
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  Speaker 1: now almost nine years, the minimum amount opposed by the court.
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  Speaker 1: You have complied with the rules of the prison. You
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  Speaker 1: have programmed in an acceptable manner. You have no prior
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  Speaker 1: conviction of criminal activity. You are a low risk to
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  Speaker 1: reoffend on our guidelines, you have community support and stable
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  Speaker 1: release plans. We've heard from you and from your victim.
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  Speaker 1: The question here, as with all parle hearings, is whether
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  Speaker 1: or not you have served enough time in prison. On
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  Speaker 1: this case, considering all these factors, my vote is to
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  Speaker 1: grant your prole effective when eligible. Thank you, and I
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  Speaker 1: concur with Commissioner Korda and grant parole. And in addition,
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  Speaker 1: our decision, although difficult, is fair and just. I concur
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  Speaker 1: with commission accord and agree to grant parole. Mister Simpson.
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  Speaker 1: Before I cast my vote, I want to let you
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  Speaker 1: know that we believe that we're a fair board. We
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  Speaker 1: believe that a consistent board. I will let you know
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  Speaker 1: that that consistency also goes to parole. And we do
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  Speaker 1: not look kindly upon parole violations. And if I cast
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  Speaker 1: my vote to grant and it concludes the hearing of
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  Speaker 1: our expectation would be that you not violate even the
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  Speaker 1: simplest condition of parole. Having said that, I am prepared
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  Speaker 1: to cast a vote, I am prepared to ask the
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  Speaker 1: commissioners to set conditions if if that happens, we will
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  Speaker 1: produce an order sometime in the next fifteen to twenty
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  Speaker 1: minutes that will be faxed to you or presented to
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  Speaker 1: you at the institution, and it will become a public record.
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  Speaker 1: So based on all of that, mister Simpson, I do
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  Speaker 1: vote to grant parole when eligible, and that will conclude
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  Speaker 1: this hearing. Thank you now Here is what Simpson said
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  Speaker 1: and his closing statement to the parole board. Listen to
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  Speaker 1: this pack of lies, and mister Simpsons, did you have
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  Speaker 1: any closing remarks and varied any except that you know
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  Speaker 1: I've come here, I've spent nine years making no excuses
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  Speaker 1: about anything. I am sorry that things turned out the
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  Speaker 1: way they did. I had no intent to commit a crime.
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  Speaker 1: I came here. I tell the inmates all the time. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about your crime. You know,
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  Speaker 1: arguing court here we're all convicts. I'm a convict. Do
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  Speaker 1: your time, and don't do anything to extend your time.
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  Speaker 1: I told Award when I got here, mister Lagrange. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was missus Carpenter and miss Megan that I
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  Speaker 1: would be no problem. I even as jury system, I
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  Speaker 1: will honor what the jury said, and I will be
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  Speaker 1: no problem. You know, and I think I kept my word.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, I've done my time. I just like
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  Speaker 1: to get back to my family and friends, and believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not, I do add some real friends. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I could have represented this prison. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think any inmate has ever represented it better than I.
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  Speaker 1: I did my time. I tried to be helpful to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And as I said, Bruce, Bruce and Beardsley, I made
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  Speaker 1: up with them years ago, you know, so I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: it happened. I'm sorry to Nevada. I wish I wish
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  Speaker 1: Richio had never called me. I thought I was glad
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  Speaker 1: to get my stuff back, but it wasn't worth it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nine years away from your family, it's just
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  Speaker 1: just not worth it. And and I'm sorry. And again,
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  Speaker 1: listen to victim Bruce Fromong, who was a longtime friend
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  Speaker 1: of Simpson, turned his robbery on robbery victim Bruce Fromong.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here just as mister Simpson's friend of almost
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven years, because that I am, But today I'm
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  Speaker 1: also appearing as the victim of the crime. On September thirtieth, thirteenth,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, on that day, I felt that
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  Speaker 1: mister Simpson was misguided not by himself but also by
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  Speaker 1: Tom Recio. He was led to believe that on that
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  Speaker 1: day they were going to be thousands of pieces of
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  Speaker 1: his personal memorabilia, pictures of his wife, his fan from
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  Speaker 1: his first marriage, pictures of his kids, Arnell and Jason,
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  Speaker 1: family heirlooms. He was told they were going to be
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  Speaker 1: possibly his wife sweating ring, thousands of things. It was
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  Speaker 1: misled about what was going to be there that day.
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  Speaker 1: A man named Thomas Reesio had promised him this big
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  Speaker 1: this big package. In reality, once Thomas Reesio had never
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  Speaker 1: met me, never had met me in his entire life
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  Speaker 1: till the night of the robbery. He got there and
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  Speaker 1: saw all this stuff. He went down, he got OJ
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  Speaker 1: and instead of telling him that that's not what was there,
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  Speaker 1: he brought him up anyway. And when OJ got there, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: he was already worked up and had people with him
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  Speaker 1: that were hollering and screaming. There's a lot of commotion
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  Speaker 1: going on in a very very small room, real small room,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of things happened very quickly, and unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: if OJ had to just set everybody out of here.
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  Speaker 1: Bruce and I need to talk for a minute. None
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  Speaker 1: of this needed to happen, but that didn't happen, and
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  Speaker 1: it took One of the things I want to make
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  Speaker 1: clear is that it took me two years in a
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  Speaker 1: California court because and a judge's infinite wisdom. Instead of
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  Speaker 1: going ahead and turning things back over, everything got sent
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  Speaker 1: to a California court to get straightened out, and after
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  Speaker 1: having to fight the Goldman's lawyers, OJ's lawyers, and it
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  Speaker 1: took me two years to get back with over six
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  Speaker 1: hundred items. A majority of it did come back to
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  Speaker 1: me because I had to go back nineteen years through
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  Speaker 1: our friendship. But I had to go back nineteen years
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  Speaker 1: to produce records for almost eighty eight percent of the stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And it is true that items in that room belonged OJ.
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  Speaker 1: There were new to two ways about it. But it's
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  Speaker 1: also true that I have never stolen anything from OJ.
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  Speaker 1: I did not. I have never stolen from OJ. I
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  Speaker 1: think OJ Wolt admit that I did not ever take
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  Speaker 1: anything from you. It wasn't me. An ex partner of
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  Speaker 1: mine and his mistress, Christy Luca Meyer have taken things.
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  Speaker 1: Other people have taken things from OJ, but I have
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  Speaker 1: never stolen from OJ. OJ is my friend, always has been,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope will remain my friend. But there were
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  Speaker 1: things in that room, and I admit to that, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry things did not work out differently. And I
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  Speaker 1: will make this clear to you. OJ never held a
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  Speaker 1: gun on me. There was a coward in that room.
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  Speaker 1: A man named Mclinton came up gangster style, acting like
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  Speaker 1: a big man. He held the gun on me, not OJ.
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  Speaker 1: Another man came in hit me, not OJ. He never
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  Speaker 1: laid a hand on me. A lot of people are yelling,
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  Speaker 1: bag that stuff up, let's get there, let's get out
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  Speaker 1: of here. During the trial, after I had already testified
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  Speaker 1: against OJ, and this is why perhaps I absolutely believe him.
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  Speaker 1: After I had already testified against OJ, I'd already said
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  Speaker 1: everything I had to say. We happened to pass each
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  Speaker 1: other in the hallway and OJ came up to me
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  Speaker 1: and said, can I talk to you for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: And we had a chance to talk to each other,
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  Speaker 1: and I told him, I'm sorry that I did not
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  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to call him and tell him that
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  Speaker 1: I had that stuff, those few items that belonged to him.
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  Speaker 1: I told him, I'm sorry that I did not take
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to call him because we've been apart for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. We hadn't had a chance to talk
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  Speaker 1: for many, many years, and I'd been buying stuff from
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  Speaker 1: Mike Gilbert. I wish I had him. And he said, Bruce,
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you how sorry I am. And we've
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  Speaker 1: got a same between us. It is what is. And
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  Speaker 1: he put his hand out. I shook his hand, and
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  Speaker 1: I said, I forgive you. We all make mistakes. OJ
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  Speaker 1: made his. He's been here and for when I've told
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  Speaker 1: he's been a model inmate, he's been in an example
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  Speaker 1: to others. During the trial, I recommended that he served
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  Speaker 1: one to three years. That's what I recommended to the DA.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm here to say that I've known OJ for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. I don't feel that he's a threat
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  Speaker 1: to anyone out there. He's a good man. I know
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  Speaker 1: that he does a lot for other people. And I
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  Speaker 1: feel that nine and a half to thirty three years
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  Speaker 1: was way too long, and I feel that it's time
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  Speaker 1: to give him a second chance. It's time for him
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  Speaker 1: to go home to his family, his friends. So good man,
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  Speaker 1: he made a mistake. And if he called me tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: and said Bruce I'm getting out. Will you pick me up? Juice.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be here tomorrow. I mean that thought. We will
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories and you heard me right. Orenthal
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  Speaker 1: James Simpson O. J. Simpson aka the Juice aka murder
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  Speaker 1: defendant has been set free by eight Nevada Parole's Board,
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  Speaker 1: and at the beginning it looked as if things were
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  Speaker 1: going Simpson's way. All the parole board members seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be yucking it up. Two of them did manage to
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  Speaker 1: keep a straight face during all the laughter. Korda and
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  Speaker 1: Jackson managed not to laugh along with Simpson and his jokes,
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  Speaker 1: while the rest of the room cracked up. That did
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  Speaker 1: not give me a good feeling, Art Harris. When I
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  Speaker 1: saw the part and parole board members laughing and joking
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  Speaker 1: and yucking it up with Simpson, that bode ill Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: He was rambling on in a way that belied what
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  Speaker 1: he had promised the parole Board he would do and
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  Speaker 1: be terms of getting alcohol rehab and said he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: at all the problem had a problem with substance abuse.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he went on when he did not need
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  Speaker 1: to talk. It was a perfect setup to reject him,
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  Speaker 1: and they ignored all that. Yeah, it seems to me
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  Speaker 1: or that they had their decision made before they even
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  Speaker 1: came about It seems to me that they basically left
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  Speaker 1: the room, had a cup of coffee at a TG break,
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  Speaker 1: wash their hands, and came back in and rendered their decision.
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  Speaker 1: They had written notes, all right, So I wonder when
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  Speaker 1: those written notes were prepared. What maybe last night? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but I do come in Corda and Jackson
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  Speaker 1: for not laughing along with Simpson and his apparent attempts
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  Speaker 1: at humor during all of this. Another thing that disturbed
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  Speaker 1: me was that he never took responsibility for the armed robbery.
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  Speaker 1: He never did. He blamed everybody but himself. He says
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  Speaker 1: things like, I would never ever pull a gun on anybody.
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  Speaker 1: What about a knife? That was my question? I would
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  Speaker 1: never use a weapon on anybody. Really, because I saw
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  Speaker 1: the picture of Nicole Brown where he played guilty after
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  Speaker 1: beating her in the face. When he said he had
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  Speaker 1: never been arrested until age forty six, I guess he
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  Speaker 1: forgot about the guilty plead to beating her. And he
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  Speaker 1: was arrested, of course for the double murder art. And
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  Speaker 1: when I heard Connie Buzzby, the chairman of the pro board,
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  Speaker 1: say they were ruling out all the bad acts from
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  Speaker 1: ninety five, from the civil conviction to the criminal case,
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  Speaker 1: then it was a done deal for me. I knew
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  Speaker 1: that they were, that they were on the road letting
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  Speaker 1: him go home free. I thought they were too as
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  Speaker 1: far as him. But what did it for me? Or
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  Speaker 1: it was not that? Because he never did take responsibility
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  Speaker 1: for the armed robbery, He lied through his teeth the
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  Speaker 1: whole time. What what did it for me was the judge.
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  Speaker 1: The judges, I guess you could call them pro board members,
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  Speaker 1: all laughing and yucking it up with Simpson. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: out to the lines, aren't Susie from Greenwich with us? Hi, Susie,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about O. J. Simpson on the loose? Well,
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  Speaker 1: actually I don't think he's on the loose. Um. I'm
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  Speaker 1: happy actually he's getting out because I think nine years
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  Speaker 1: over nine years was too long for what he was
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  Speaker 1: convicted of for this crime. So I think, um, he
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  Speaker 1: did justify himself as well as his family and his
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  Speaker 1: lawyer with the letters and the things his daughter have
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  Speaker 1: to say and a lot of times. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I notice is we keep bringing up the things that
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  Speaker 1: happened in the past. Um, for what happened with Nicole
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  Speaker 1: and um the other gentleman. But um, these are two
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  Speaker 1: separate crimes, you know, Um as they you know, people
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  Speaker 1: have spoke about before. So I think for this crime, um,
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  Speaker 1: he did his time and hopefully he'll contribute to go
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  Speaker 1: into society. And Mua, you have a question for you.
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  Speaker 1: You do know that his sentence was thirty three years, correct,
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  Speaker 1: he has not done his time. He has done the
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  Speaker 1: bare minimum of his time. They said that, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the first lady that spoke, they said that he's eligible
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  Speaker 1: for fifty percent of his time, you know, after serving
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  Speaker 1: the nine plus year. So that's why I agree that
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  Speaker 1: he did his time for this UM, for this crime.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that he can, you know, show other people,
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  Speaker 1: based on his experience in there and not having any
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  Speaker 1: write ups or any problems in the jail, that he's
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  Speaker 1: a role model. And we have to, I guess, separate
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  Speaker 1: the two UM crimes in our minds. I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people hold on to that UM the past crime,
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  Speaker 1: and they think that they wanted like one of the
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  Speaker 1: members of the jurors that she said that they think
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  Speaker 1: that they gave him more time, like thirty three years,
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  Speaker 1: because they wanted to convince him for killing his wife.
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  Speaker 1: And we have to remember it's two separate things. I
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  Speaker 1: am very aware of it being two separate things, and
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  Speaker 1: apparently the parole board agrees with you, also with me.
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  Speaker 1: Ronda in Port Orchard, Hi, Ronda, thank you for calling in.
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  Speaker 1: What's your question? Well, I don't really have a question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really appalled and sad at what happened. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to really serve much time for what he did.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go backwards, or should I say forwards.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should have Fred Goldman back on. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get your channel here anymore. They took it
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  Speaker 1: off addition network. But I just want to say that
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  Speaker 1: I read your posts, and going forward, I think Fred
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  Speaker 1: Goldman should take OJ back to court and make him
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  Speaker 1: pay week monthly checks to him so OJ can remember
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  Speaker 1: Ronald gold Rhonda. I want to address what he just said.
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  Speaker 1: Don't don't hang up, Rhonda. The reports are that the
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  Speaker 1: whole time he's been behind bars, he has been a
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  Speaker 1: signing machine, signing autographs, signing pictures, signing whatever he could
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  Speaker 1: sign to make money. And this is what happens with
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  Speaker 1: the Goldmans. What happens is they find out he's signing
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  Speaker 1: items somewhere and he's taking cash and putting it under
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  Speaker 1: the table, in other words, in his pocket, and before
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  Speaker 1: the sheriff can be alerted and get there, it's over.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're pocketing fifteen twenty fifty one hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: a signature, as a lot of people charge for their signatures,
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  Speaker 1: their autographs, that's a fair bit of money on top
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  Speaker 1: of the thousands of dollars he gets every month from
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  Speaker 1: his NFL pension, which cannot be touched under the law.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think Rod's parents are ever going to
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  Speaker 1: see any of that judgment. And I guess what this
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  Speaker 1: means for me today, Ronda, is that the entire civil jury,
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  Speaker 1: the trial, where we heard so much evidence and that
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  Speaker 1: jury's decision really didn't amount to a hill beans. And
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  Speaker 1: that's very disappointing from me for this Nevada Parole Board
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  Speaker 1: to just say, well, we're not going to even look
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  Speaker 1: at that. I'm with you. I'm very disheartened. I'm very disheartened.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you think Goldman should go about getting
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  Speaker 1: any money out of Simpson. You take him back to
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  Speaker 1: court and you get him the judge to award that
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  Speaker 1: he has to write out monthly checks. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: if it's a dollar or one hundred dollars or five
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month, but he should be paying them
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  Speaker 1: something so the court can up that he has to
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  Speaker 1: write Ron uncle Fred Goldman's family at check every month.
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  Speaker 1: You know what would make this man remember you're right,
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  Speaker 1: You're right. I can only pray there are no more
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  Speaker 1: victims because Nicole Brown lived through hell to stay there
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  Speaker 1: with her children in the home. She was beaten and
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  Speaker 1: beaten and beaten, threatened, humiliated, the works she was calling
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  Speaker 1: a battered women's center just hours before she was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: and then she was murdered, and it's like nobody even
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  Speaker 1: really remembers that. And today a Nevada parole board confirmed
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  Speaker 1: that by saying those arrests and that civil verdict against
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  Speaker 1: Simpson simply would not be considered. Thank you for calling, Randa.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think that, you know, I'm an Alice in
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  Speaker 1: Wonderland and everything's upside down, and I'm the only one
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  Speaker 1: standing straight up with me right now is doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: a claimed psychologist out of California. Doctor Bethany, I'm really
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  Speaker 1: glad you're here because maybe you can help me figure
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  Speaker 1: out why I feel so bad right now. Well, well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: this hearing was so disturbing, the things you mentioned, they
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: were checking it up. It seems like OJ Simpson was
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: trying to manipulate them through humor. I feel that the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: things that OJ Simpson said was sort of trite, shallow, stereotyped, rehearsed,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like a small child that gives mommy a little card
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: for Mother's Day and thinks he's given her the world.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: He really overvalued what he's done in jail and what
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: he had to offer to the pro board. I think
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: that he said that he lived a conflict free life,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: which is a lie. So he's lying to the pro board,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and they sat there as if he was not lying
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to them. He took no responsibility for the crime, but
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: basically he had too much to drink, he'd been at
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a wedding. He was just going to get his own stuff.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Nine years Nancy, and he's still continuing the offending pattern
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: by lying, manipulating, and failing to assume responsibility for what
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, I mean, I wrote down a few
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of the quotes, Alan Dick, Are you with me? Yes?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I am Alan with me. Art Harris is with me,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: two time Emmy Award winning journalist, Alan Dick, my partner, Jackie,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: my partner with me. Doctor Bethany Marshall is with us Alan.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't really identify the feeling I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: have right now. I think that it is reminding me
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: at the times in court when I'd get a bad
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: ruling and I thought that a guilty person would go free,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And maybe it was my fault. Maybe I didn't make
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the right argument, maybe I didn't question a witness the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: right way, and I would be galvanized to just keep
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: trying and trying and trying harder and harder. But when
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I knowing what we know, knowing that Simpson did commit
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the double murders, knowing that he did do this armed robbery,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and hearing him today say things like like, I'm not
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: interested in interviews. I lead a conflict free life, things
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like I would never pull a weapon. I was going
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to get my property. It was not his property. There
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: may have been a couple of photos in there of
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: his first wife and a few other pictures, but over
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of those items have been verified as
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: not property. And when I heard the parole official ask him,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: what were you thinking? Ha ha, like it was a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: big joke that he and his buddies go pull a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: gun on people, it just made me sick to my stomach.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: What were you thinking? Well, he apologized in express regret
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: for a poor decision, but you're right, he was hoodwinked
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: he said, by these security men, he was misguided, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think he really really accepted responsibility. But as
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: far as feelings, it sort of feels like it felt
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: back in the nineties. You know, we're back to the nineties, right.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Is this post traumatic stress syndrome from the OJ verdict
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: in the in the double murders. That's kind of the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: deja vous I'm feeling. I mean, Alan, did you notice
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that he never admitted that he did anything wrong. He
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: never once said I did this and I was wrong.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Acknowledged that he had no empathy. That was the interesting
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: thing that he had to take the empathy course while
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: incarcerated so he could learn what it was like for
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: his victim to have a gun pointed in his face.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: But he wasn't very empathetic when he talked about having empathy.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: That's what's so interesting to me. Yeah, you know another thing,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Art Harris, he said, I never had a substance problem.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I've never had a substance problem. He looked at the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: pro board members and said that, Art Harris, are you
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: know different? One of the many laws Nancy I broke
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a big story about his cocaine problem that he got
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: it from and did it with his limo driver, did
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: it with some relatives. I mean, these were people on
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the record on camera and I'm thinking, gosh, do they
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: remember anything? And he's lying straight to their faces. No
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: substance abuse, no alcohol problem. I mean, this is someone
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: who who it's party city. I have a conversation that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: he was in with someone before he went to jail,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: bragging that he was going to get off and invite
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: this guy to Miami to party because quote, Miami is
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: my town. And the whole attitude here it flashes me back,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like Alan to that to the trial and the feeling
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of what what happened. That was the trial of the century,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: so called this is the parole of the century, Nancy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: You know what, everybody, we are taking our calls in
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the aftermath of this parole Board's ruling with me right now,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Kevin in Ohio, Kevin, thanks so much for calling in. Hi, Dear,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: what do you think about the ruling. I'm glad to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: see you know this man finally, you know, he did
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: his time. I'm glad to see free everyone stops crucifying
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: this man. Are you think oj has been crucified? Yeah?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Really means he looks alive. And well to me, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: he's got a ton of money. He walked free on
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a double murder. Yeah, he has had a string of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: mansions and beautiful girlfriends, fancy cars, doesign her clothes. He
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: got busted on a robbery and armed robbery. He did
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the minimum amount of time and now he's walking free.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: How was that crucifying him? What money did he give away?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: The civil too? You think he gave money to Nicole's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: parents parents? Yeah, well he never paid it. So what
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: money are you talking about he gave away? He never
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: paid Ron Goldman's parents either after killing their kids. He
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: didn't kill them. He was found, he was found innocent.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: He didn't kill them. Well, you're the one talking about
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: he had he gave money away? What money are you
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: talking about? Money? I mean he lost everything, all his
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: indorsements and all that. Uh huh huh. So you can't
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: identify any money he gave away off the top of
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: my head, I am sorry about that. But so okay,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and so the how do you say that Oj Simpson
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: has been crucified? He just got out at the minimum
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: amount of time for pulling an armed robbery. The way
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the media depicts them, I mean, even most people, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: especially white people, want to keep paying him as an
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: evil man. Still don't know what you're talking about. He
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: pled guilty to beating his wife. He admitted to that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: in an Alfred Polea. There were photos of her that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: are in evidence with a bruised and battered face. M
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: He was arrested on double murder. He managed to get
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: an acquittal on that. I would say that's a pretty
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: good deal for him. He was acquitted. So how can
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you say that people are against him. Well, yeah, I'm
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: against him because he's a double murderer. But you're saying
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he's been crucified. The way I see it, he's been
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: given every single benefit he can squeeze out of the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: justice system. He beat his wife for years. He admits
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that the police were called to his house time after
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: time after time for him beating the coal. They end
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: up dead. He's acquitted for that, and then he pulls
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: an armed robbery. I can't say anything, bad oja what
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: my FRANDPA made a lot of money on his football game. Okay, Well,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: thank you for calling in and um good luck to you, sir.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, Bethany, I think I need a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: therapist right now, can you help me figure out what
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that guy was saying. I was very confused about what
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: he was saying. It was interesting that he threw in
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: at the end that he made a lot of money,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: His family made money off of oj Simpson. So is
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: this why he's defending Ojay? See one of the things
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: your callers are doing, the ones that are supporting O. J. Simpson,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: they're acting like you con surgically remove that part of
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: his personality that's sociopathic and homicidal. He did commit this
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: double murder, and what the parole board was talking about
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: in terms of their criteria, meaning that they're not going
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to take in the prior bad acts into account. That's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a legal concept, but from a psychological perspective, somebody who
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: commits a double homicide after beating his wife for years
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: then refuses to play the money that he owes as
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a part of a civil judgment is somebody who lacks
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a conscience. That is a chronic trait that's going to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: continue with him through to the end of his life.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: So I'm afraid that what we're going to see now
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: that he's been paroled is that he's going to recipivate
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: He's going to go back to the same kinds of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: behaviors he had before. So you know, maybe this is
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a story. We're going to keep talking about it. That's
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: all I can say, because if we're talking about it
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: in the future, that will mean he is reoffended. There
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is one person I felt very badly for today. I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: felt really badly for his daughter, Arnell. Now, Art, Harris,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: You're very, very familiar with Simpson's family, and I was
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: getting texts my phone fell off the coffee table um
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: with people going why is she defending the man that
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: murdered her mother? Nicole was not Arnelle's mother, That's right,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So give me a little a little background on the family, Art,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you know it where the most well, well, you had
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: his first wife and you had the children by her,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: and then he married Nicole, So you know this, this
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: is someone who you know, is being defended by people
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: who is whether there is blood father, by Nicole or
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: by another woman. They see him and they have to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: live in denial. Nancy classic children of abuse, children of
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: alcoholics and substance abusers. They it's like Stockholm syndrome. Do
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you identify you support your prison guard. And so no
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: matter what oj does you know, how do you They
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: can't live with themselves. That would destroy them. I think internally,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: maybe doctor Marsha would agree if they were to truly
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: embrace that fact that he killed their mother. I think
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: about Arnell is that I think she was telling the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: truth as she believes it. I found her to be sincere.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I think she loves Simpson, that is her father. He's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: all they have left and clearly has not accepted or
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: acknowledged that he killed Nicole and Ron. Speaking of Arnell,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: listen to Simpson's daughter as she defends him. Yes, I
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: am Arnelson and dad and my dad's oldest child before
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and welcome and um feel free to speak. Thank you.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous, though, bear with me. I know
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it's a lot, as you know. I'm here on behalf
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of my family for the purpose of expressing what we
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: believe is the true character of my father. No one
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: really knows how much we have been through this ordeal
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: in the last nine years. Excuse me. He's like my
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: best friends in my rock, in my rock, and as
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: a family, we recognize he is not the perfect man,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: but he's clearly a man and a father has done
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: his best to behave in a way that speaks to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: his overall nature and character, which is always to be
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: positive no matter what. He has spent the last nine
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: years of Lovelock, as we all know, and has been
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a perfect and made following all the rules and making
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the best of the situation, which is truly amazing to me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Under the circumstances, the choice that he made nine years
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: ago that resulted in the sittancing were clearly inappropriate and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: wrong and counterproductive to what he was trying to achieve.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: As a family. We were all there to celebrate a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: wedding of a very good friend. As a starter, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: can honestly say my dad recognizes that he took the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: wrong approach and could not handle the situation. He could
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: have handled the situation differently. My siblings, I and family
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: know that he didn't make the right decision on that day,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: but we know that his intentions were not to go
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: in and to just make the wrong decision at the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: wrong time. Throughout this idea, we have remained close, We
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: have stayed strong, and I for myself am grateful to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: God for giving us the strength to get through this
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: last nine years and to stay positive always no matter
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: what and a lot of that is because of him.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So on behalf of my family, my brother, my sister,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and aunt, uncle, his friends. We just want him to
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: come home, we really do. We want him to come home,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and I know in my heart that he's very humbled
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: throughout the situation. This has been hard, to be honest,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: this has been really truly hard, and there's no right
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: or wrong way to explain how to handle this. But
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we do know that I know that he is remorseful.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: He truly is remorseful, and we just want him to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: come home so that we can move forward, for us quietly,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: but to move forward. So I thank you for allowing
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: me to be here this morning. I thank you. Out
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to the lines to Teresa reaction to O. J. Simpson
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Walking Free, Teresa, I am physically nauseated, you know, Teresa,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. As I was watching it, it was
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like a bad case of deja vous, because I will
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: admit Simpson was very convincing. He was even charming in
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: a way toward the pro board members, and I feel
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: very strongly that they had made up their mind before
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: they even went in there. The laughing and the joking
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: during this was to me highly inappropriate. I feel like
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it's also the charmed thing is just a manipulation cactic.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: He is very good at manipulation, and people see that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: his charm, and I think that's what discussed me so much.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Me too, because as I was listening to him, he's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a master manipulator. I know for a fact what he
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: was saying is a lie. He keeps saying that was
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: my stuff. They quote stuff he's talking about Pete Rose, Baseball's,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Joe Montana lithographs, some Simpson menorabilia that he had sold
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: that was no longer his. There were a couple of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: pictures in there of his family. But to hear him
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: say it, he just went in there, had a friendly
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: conversation and took back what was his. You can hear
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the recording of him screaming at cursing in them when
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: he went in there to rob them, saying he never
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: had a substance abuse problem, he never had an alcohol problem.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: He went on and on about how he had missed
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: time with his with his children. Teresa, Why what about
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: his wife? Why did the what about Nicole? You know
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: what she missed? I have a question to about the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the his you know about the drinking and stuff. Why
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: was the parole board satisfied with the fact that he
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: did not take the AA classes like they told him
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: he needed to take. How is that all right? And yes,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: what about Nicole? She there is no coming back for her,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: There's no second chance for her. I don't understand the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: second chance thing in our country either. People lose lives
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and they never had a second chance, you know, doctor Bethany,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Now that she is saying that she's right, they seem
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: to just when it came out that he had not
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: taken that AA class they told him to take, that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: was all I ever heard of it. What happened? I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: kept waiting for them to bring that up. There was
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely no consequence he did not comply with the AA class.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And then he acts like the empathy class is so
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: important it has changed him as an individual. And then
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: he goes on to say that he has helped to
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: institute church services in the prison because now he has
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: recovered his Christianity. And what I thought, from a clinical perspective,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: nancy is the grandiosity of the sociopath. So if you
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: keep in mind the criteria for sociopathy, glib, superficial charming,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: they played by their own rules rather than the rules
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of society, callous, remorseless. And so you could see in
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the way he talked about the church services, how grandiose
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: he was, like he was really helping people in the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: prison and he was really helping them through his athletic program.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And you could see how he was over valuing what
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: good he had done in the prison system to the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: pro board, and they believed him. That's what's so shocking.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think they went into this
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: with their minds made up. Bethany, I don't think they
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: were even listening. I think I think they already had
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: their minds made up and they were sitting there drawing
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: on a doodle pan. Let's go out to the lines,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Flora and Rhode Island High Flora, what's your question, dear,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: thank you for calling. She was right, Nicole was right
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: from the beginning that he would skate on anything he did.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: She knew him better than anybody else, and that's exactly
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: what he did. He skated once again. I can't stand
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: looking at the man, you know what, Flora, I very
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: rarely will have a kind of a physical reaction to
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: look just looking at somebody. But I've got the same thing,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: just to look at him, and I know all the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: pain he caused so many people and is still causing
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: just looking at him, fawning and joking and sucking up
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to the pro more than I could say. He was saying,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: how you know he had this exemplary prison record, and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: but people don't realize he had the money. So he
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: had all these little guys around him doing his bidding,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: and he would pay for their commissary stuff. So he
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: just kind of skated through prison too. You know what,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: You're right, Flora and Rhode Island. I agree with you.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I can hardly stand to even look at him. Calling
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: me now, Flora, please call us back. Is Mary from Florida.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Hi Mary, thank you for calling in. What do you
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: make of Simpson? I feel really bad that he's going
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to be let out and there are going to be
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: other people now possibly endangered. We don't know, because we
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: don't know old he is a psychopath. We act like
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the psychopath. I feel bad because he did get away
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: with murder. Nicole Pold de nine long one, I threer,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: if I can quote her, he's going to kill me.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: He's here now again, please come and he's going to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: beat the gerotomy. Do you remember those calls? It just
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: kills me inside. And they're so heart wrenching because something
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: didn't happen that needed to happen to protect her and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen, and to protect those kids that their
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: mom would be there for them. And I feel real
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: bad about that. And I feel like when og was
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: in this hearing today, he sat there and damn near
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: got pissed off with the one guy asking him about
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: where's his stuff? Now as you have it isn't you're
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why what they were saying,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: because like I saw him, I saw him pull the face.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I saw what Nicole saw, that angry look. Yeah, and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: he and he also spoke to the board like that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: But you know it didn't matter because they already they
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: already had their minds made up. Take it. Listen to this.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I want emergency five. Get someone over here, now to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: three two five, Gretna Green, He's back, please? Okay? What
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: does he look like? O? J? Simpson? I think you
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: know his record if you just think some he over hear? Hey,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: what is he doing there? He's just over here, just
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: rolling me over? Wait a minute, what kind of cars
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: he is? He's in a white bronker. But first of all,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: he broke the back door beyond to give in. Wait
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: a minute, what's your name, Nicole Simpson? Okay? Is he's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: a sports counter or whatever? Yeah? Okay, wait you wait
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a minute. We're to the police. What is he doing?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Is he threatening you? Doing nuts? Has he threatened you anyway?
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Or or is he just harassing you? You're gonna hear
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: him minute a minute. He's a bat tog again. Hey,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: just stay on the line. I don't want to stay
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: on the line. He's gonna beat the Wait a minute, wait,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: just stay on the line so we can know what's
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: going on. To the police, get there. Okay, okay, Nicole, huh,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: just them all. What does he have any weapons? I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: don't know? Okay, he went home? And how exact sup
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the sleeping and I don't want anything to happen. Okay,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: has he hit you today or no? No? Okay, you
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: don't need any paramedics or anything. Okay, you just wanted
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to leave the door. He broke the whole back door
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: in and then he left and he came back, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: he came and he because I knocked my up the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: first door down. But he's pounded it and then he
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: screamed him hard, and I tried to get him out
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of the bedroom because the kids are sleeping in there.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And then he wanted them that he phone number, and
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I gave him my phone work and was then or
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I gave clock my phone work down the right right
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: down the phone number that he wanted, and then he
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: my phone work with all my stuff that want. What
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: does he says a messic introduce you to one already
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: age twenty five? Okay, and feel say what's something that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you do? I'm gonna go. It always comes back. Mary
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: in Florida, thank you for calling, and I know exactly
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: what you mean. Mary Ellen in Pennsylvania, Mary Ellen, Hello,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: reaction to OJ Simpson walking free. I am not surprised
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that he got out got away from it, because I
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: think Nevada just wanted him and out of their state,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and I think it's messed up. He should still be
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: in there. He was supposed to get thirty three years,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you know. I keep saying that, and everybody looks at
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: me like an alien with three heads. He was sentenced,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Mary Ellen, You're correct to thirty three years. He has
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: served nine, and I'm stunned in a way that no
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: one wants to hear that. But I agree with you.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised either. I duped it out with Dan
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Abram's my buddy on ABC's GMA the other morning. He
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: was insistent that Simpson would walk free. I was insistent
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: he should not walk free. But I can tell you this,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. I know, lady, justice has taken
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a black eye, but this is not the end of
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: this story, you know, Art, I feel just stunned. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: feel like I got to kick in the stomach that
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I did when he walked free on the murders. That
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense, but that's how I feel. Nancy,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I hear you, and I do too. It's funny. I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: remember the crowd outside the courthouse, jubilant, and you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: when something like that is happening and everybody around you
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: is happy, and you know something very bad just happened,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and something wrong it is, it is hard, and so
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I empathize with all these callers who are just going through,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you know, flashback to an injustice and you know, I
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: can't help but think about this was a setup. Because
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: when you hear that, parole officials say as OJ is
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: giving his litany of what happened, Well, mister Simpson, everything
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: you're saying, it's not quite what the facts or the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: record reflects, and he ignored it. And when it didn't
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: matter that he was lying to them, did you notice
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: that I did, art. I noticed it, and I gotta
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: tell you, my stomach actually hurts. I noticed it, and
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I noticed most everyone in that room laughing along with
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: him as he made jokes. And you know another issue
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: bothered me. One of the victims is now deceased, Beardsley,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and one of his family members said, you know, yeah,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he's going along with OJ because he knows he wouldn't
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: be anything, He wouldn't be famous if he wasn't friends
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: with OJ. You know. So it's that whole shaming and
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: bullying thing thing with victims. You've got a celebrity defendant
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and everybody wants to be his friend. I guess that
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: includes the Nevada Parole Board. But you know what, I
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: know what happened. I know what happened to Nicole, I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: know what happened to Wron Gallman. I know what happened
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to these victims. And they may all want to look
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: the other way and let sense and loose, but that
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: does not change the truth. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,