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Celebrity BFF Breakups, Cancelled Stars and Crisis PR · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well,
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  Speaker 2: We get into PR crisis and so much more and
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  Speaker 2: we cover many current hot topics. So here we go
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  Speaker 2: with my show. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so excited to talk to my guest today. Welcome, Ashley Hansen.
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  Speaker 2: We met through a mutual friend, but what's so interesting
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  Speaker 2: about your career in entertainment is that you've really worked
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  Speaker 2: in all facets of PR, strategy, crisis PR. And so
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  Speaker 2: I thought we could just talk about some topics and
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  Speaker 2: things and like, how would you counsel the person to
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  Speaker 2: get into it? So ready? Get right into it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: This is from Biowig Hello Drama because they were reading
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Renna's book that just came out. And I, someone
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  Speaker 2: sent this to me earlier today too. I'm not surprised
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  Speaker 2: that she would do this because it's her personality. But
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  Speaker 2: she wrote, I'm happy to drag Sutton, who is the
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  Speaker 2: co-star of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with her. She's frumpy.
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  Speaker 2: There's no sex appeal about her whatsoever. And she's got
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  Speaker 2: a weird body. So God bless her. As someone who
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  Speaker 2: watches the Real Housewives, I don't even remember Sutton and
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  Speaker 2: Renna even having any issues. Renna brought Sutton in. And
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  Speaker 2: then at one point, there was something about an Elton
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  Speaker 2: John party. Do you remember? That's the beef.
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  Speaker 4: And then Sutton was like, I paid for you and
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  Speaker 4: Harry to go. And she's like, that's not true. And
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  Speaker 4: then it became... I remember.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it was the Elton John Oscar thing.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: For the charity. And she... Yeah, Sutton, I think... Sutton
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  Speaker 2: is wealthy. I think she was going to these things.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed.
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  Speaker 2: But Lisa Rinna, being a star, was able to go
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  Speaker 2: to charity events in Hollywood for free for years. And therefore,
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  Speaker 2: I think she was the housewife and Sutton invited her.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think she ever even thought to offer
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  Speaker 2: to pay or anything. She was just like, I'm a star.
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  Speaker 2: I'm at your table. And now you're on Real Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome. And then when Sutton revealed that, she was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I think happened. Like she was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: like don't make me look like I didn't pay my
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  Speaker 2: phone bill like enough.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed. And I also think the way that these tables work,
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  Speaker 4: as you know, is like one person will buy or
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  Speaker 4: a studio will buy and then they can give out
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  Speaker 4: those tickets. So you're not paying for individual seats when
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  Speaker 4: somebody's bought a table. So obviously I think Sutton bought
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  Speaker 4: that table and then decided to put a number on
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  Speaker 4: those two seats when probably from Lisa's experience, she's like, I,
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  Speaker 4: I get invited to these things, like you said.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and those Hollywood charity events, like I have been
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  Speaker 2: given free tickets to those things as well. They want
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  Speaker 2: press from it, which I give press with the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: but also, you know, they want a certain number of
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  Speaker 2: celebrities because the people that are not celebrities that bought tickets,
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  Speaker 2: that's part of the appeal. And, you know, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you're not paying the $ 500 ticket, but then also
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  Speaker 2: you might buy the auction item for, you know, $ 10, 000.
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  Speaker 2: But getting back to just going online on her body.
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  Speaker 2: I saw this and I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: because a very similar thing has happened to me.
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  Speaker 4: To you. Somebody said it to you or you said
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  Speaker 4: about somebody? No.
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  Speaker 2: So I was, I was looking for it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot find the exact video, but I haven't looked
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  Speaker 2: very hard. When I was at Chelsea lately, I distinctly
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  Speaker 2: remember she went on watch what happens live. And there
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  Speaker 2: was video of the after show. And at that time,
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  Speaker 2: we were fine. I was on the show. But the
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  Speaker 2: whole vibe of the show was like picking and bullying
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  Speaker 2: and making fun of people, right? So the caller called
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  Speaker 2: and said something like, why are you mean to Heather?
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  Speaker 2: Or something like, why do you something about me, Heather?
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  Speaker 2: And she goes... And I remember like watching with everybody
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, this is so weird. But at
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  Speaker 2: the time she was my boss, you know, so I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say something. But like basically what
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  Speaker 2: she said was just like she was just trying to
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  Speaker 2: be her like weird self. And she said, well, for
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  Speaker 2: one thing, Heather McDonald has a terrible body. And Andy's like, what?
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  Speaker 2: And then she went on to say some other like
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  Speaker 2: weird quirky thing. And then that was like it. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember sitting in Jen Kirkman's office and people were
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  Speaker 2: all watching. And I was like, okay. Like, I mean... Did.
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  Speaker 4: She get backlash for it? No.
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  Speaker 2: Back then, nobody.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody really, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, nobody was like cutting clips and saying anything.
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  Speaker 2: They were just like, that's why we got away with
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  Speaker 2: the stuff we did on Chelsea Layton for so long.
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  Speaker 4: But I just remember going, I mean... First of all,
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  Speaker 4: you don't.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, but like I had, you know, everyone,
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  Speaker 2: everybody is different, you know, like, and you know Sutton
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  Speaker 2: has her distinct figure. I think she looks good in clothes.
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  Speaker 2: you know, thin and was a former ballet dancer. And
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  Speaker 2: other people have a curvy body. Other people have a
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  Speaker 2: fake ass. Other people are stick skinny. It's just like,
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  Speaker 2: it's such a weird thing to say. And, um, but
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  Speaker 2: my body was always like just something to kind of
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  Speaker 2: make fun of. They'd say like long boobs and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't have long boobs, but it came out of like
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  Speaker 2: a sketch and all this kind of stuff. And there
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  Speaker 2: was nothing I could say about it. And I was
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  Speaker 2: just like reading this today. And I was like, what
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  Speaker 2: if I would have just gone into her office and
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  Speaker 2: been like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you know, but that just wasn't, we had this,
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  Speaker 2: the dynamic was set from the top and that was
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  Speaker 2: just something that you just were like, Oh, obviously she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean it. It's just a joke.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But to like, put it in writing, have five editors
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  Speaker 2: and be like, but I feel like that's what she wants.
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  Speaker 2: I think she wrote this whole book to have, um,
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  Speaker 2: sound bites or whatever and have people talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: So like, I find her very entertaining. I'm not surprised
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  Speaker 2: that she would bash someone's body when, you know, which
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  Speaker 2: is weird when her own daughters have been accused of
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  Speaker 2: body shaming as far as like being too thin and
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  Speaker 2: this and that.
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  Speaker 4: And people actually criticized her on some seasons about her
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  Speaker 4: figure and her weight. I just think like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the joy or what used to be the joy in
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  Speaker 4: watching those shows, it was less about them being mean
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  Speaker 4: and more really just about the trials and tribulations of
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  Speaker 4: female friendship. Yeah. Sometimes you're in, sometimes you're out. Sometimes, yes,
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  Speaker 4: you get upset and then you talk to your other
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  Speaker 4: friend and then there's like relatable chaos because I feel
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  Speaker 4: like we all have some degree of that, maybe without
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  Speaker 4: all the extreme wealth in some cases. But didn't Dorinda
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  Speaker 4: say like, say it, no, write it, regret it.
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  Speaker 2: No, say it, forget it, write it, regret it. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: There's, there's a difference I think in sometimes, you know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously this is how we think through things when we
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  Speaker 4: have to decide, is it going to be a statement?
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  Speaker 4: Is it going to be somebody talking on video when
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  Speaker 4: they have to like deal with something? Yeah. What you
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  Speaker 4: may get away with or what she might've gotten away
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  Speaker 4: with in a confessional is very different than how this reads.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that maybe, you know, in writing the book,
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  Speaker 4: she's expressing herself the way she might have on the show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe even up it to some degree for the purposes
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  Speaker 4: that you mentioned, for clickbait or whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's definitely like, oh, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about, oh, I'm going to burn down the bridge, baby.
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  Speaker 2: I've got nothing to fucking lose. And she actually doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have anything to lose, so I don't know, but... I
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  Speaker 2: think it's in poor taste. What would you... What would
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  Speaker 2: you advise Sutton to do in a situation like this?
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  Speaker 4: She shouldn't say anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: She says if she responds, she's going to give credence
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  Speaker 4: to it. It'll get her more attention.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: It'll get the whole thing more attention. I think if
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  Speaker 4: it's me in that situation and somebody makes a comment
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  Speaker 4: on my body, I would like it to not go
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  Speaker 4: as far as humanly possible.
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  Speaker 2: See, like for me, like now if that was in
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  Speaker 2: some book right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would absolutely use it to my advantage.
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  Speaker 4: I think she can do that.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, I would be like, I'd be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is my body. And you know what? I'm healthy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that I haven't been plagued with any
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  Speaker 2: kind of like cancer.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I can play tennis. I can play pickleball. I can
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  Speaker 2: run around. I can dance. If it's not the shape
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  Speaker 2: of body that turns you on, Lisa Renna, who's been
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  Speaker 2: accused of, you know, having a weird marriage and whatnot, like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: didn't know you were looking at me to be sexy
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  Speaker 2: for you. Like, I would have made it like, I'd
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  Speaker 2: make it like a joke and put something back out
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  Speaker 2: there because I'm like, you've already brought me into it.
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  Speaker 2: So I might as well ride the wave of the
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  Speaker 2: press too.
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  Speaker 4: I also think in terms of response, it's like, I
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  Speaker 4: think you're better built to get into that kind of dialogue.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas I feel like Sutton isn't as comfortable in moments
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  Speaker 4: of confrontation.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the body shaming. Cause it's like, I know
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  Speaker 2: that Emily from OC has been very much body shamed.
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  Speaker 2: Heather from Heather Gay has been body shamed, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for just being a fuller, you know, different body than
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  Speaker 2: your typical size two girl. But, I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: people realize the body shaming that goes on with bodies
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  Speaker 2: that are not where you get body shamed because they,
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  Speaker 2: you have a unique shape, you know? And it's like,
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  Speaker 2: or you are too thin or you like to be
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  Speaker 2: thin or whatever. And then people poke at that. And
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  Speaker 2: it's just kind of like, no, if we're all gonna,
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  Speaker 2: if we're all gonna be up in arms about one
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  Speaker 2: kind of body shaming, then we should be up, be
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  Speaker 2: mad about it all, you know? And be like, that's
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  Speaker 2: just not cool. I agree. When we're all aging women, like, look,
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Renna has been blessed with being, having an incredible
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  Speaker 2: figure well into her 60s.
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  Speaker 4: That seems sort of effortless. Seems to be very effortless,
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  Speaker 4: very genetic.
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  Speaker 2: And one time I was trying, we were trying out
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  Speaker 2: for this talk show, I think that didn't go. And
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  Speaker 2: people were in the room, just like, how do you
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  Speaker 2: keep that figure, you know, type of thing. And she goes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, actually, I don't enjoy eating. I really don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't love it. I'm not that person that's like
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  Speaker 2: a foodie that likes to eat. It's like an inconvenience
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  Speaker 2: to my life. Okay. Well, then that's really nice because
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  Speaker 2: you brought Krispy Kremes and I fucking had a donut.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's great if you have automatic like
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  Speaker 2: ozempic brain since you were born and you never had
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  Speaker 2: to think about like good for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I will say something because I've definitely struggled with my
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  Speaker 4: weight throughout the years, but like The most infuriating thing
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  Speaker 4: I have found is when, you know, you'll see a
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  Speaker 4: model and they're like, oh, you just ate a cheeseburger
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  Speaker 4: right before the show. And it's like, maybe you did.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to believe that that would be the case,
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  Speaker 4: because even if I would say if I was any shape,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to eat a lot before I do
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  Speaker 4: any kind of appearance for the sake of like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: bloating or wherever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But it just it's so unrelatable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like, it just drives a further wedge.
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  Speaker 2: Or it's trying to be that I'm so relatable.
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  Speaker 4: But you're not.
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  Speaker 2: I just like a cheeseburger. Like, whatever. It's just whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so I think that's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I do think Sutton will benefit, though, if she does
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  Speaker 4: remain mum on this. I think she will have the
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  Speaker 4: internet on her side.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes in situations like this, I would say way
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  Speaker 4: better for the internet and people to come to her
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  Speaker 4: defense than her even having to say it herself. It's
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  Speaker 4: always better.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that if you were to say anything, you
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  Speaker 2: don't go after Lisa, you don't talk about her body
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  Speaker 2: or her weight issues or the fact that she says
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  Speaker 2: mean things for shock value. What I think you would
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  Speaker 2: say is I am so, cause when people criticize my
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  Speaker 2: looks and stuff, I'll be like, you know what, could
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  Speaker 2: you take it up with my two dead parents in heaven?
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  Speaker 2: Cause they made me. And this is their nose combo. And, like, ugh,
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  Speaker 2: you should be pissed at them. You should be really
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  Speaker 2: mad at them. Because I'm just like, what are you
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do? Like, what am I supposed to do? And, like,
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  Speaker 2: so I... And we all get it. You're not special. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not acting like, oh, I'm getting more hate than
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  Speaker 2: the next person. Anybody that has, like, more than 300
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  Speaker 2: followers probably have gotten some weird hate troll. But, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think the thing to say is just to be like,
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  Speaker 2: I am so grateful that these legs... work, that I
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  Speaker 2: can dance, that I'm this age, that I'm, that my
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  Speaker 2: doctor's happy with my weight, that I'm happy with it.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's, you know, glad you, you know, that, and
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  Speaker 2: not even be like, not even one snarky thing, not
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  Speaker 2: even like good luck with your book, just something like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. You know, I, I, um, I, I
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  Speaker 2: love my body and I, and it's not weird to me.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: It was weird to you.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely approach it from a place of strength and confidence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You know, They think you're done for the day, but
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  Speaker 5: they don't know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the
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  Speaker 5: one square before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: home dad.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: What happens next?
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: When I came in, he started crying.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: happens next.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: not going to pull punches. You can use your voice
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: even if it's shaped.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Um, okay. Uh, Sophia F known as Sophia Franklin is
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the original second part of call her daddy before Alex
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Cooper became call her daddy alone. They had a show
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: together in the early days of podcasting, two young girls
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: in their twenties. It was a very sexual show. There
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: was a lot, many fewer podcasts and they were just
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: really skyrocketed with their demographic. And then they broke up
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: and the story is very juicy in a nutshell. In
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a nutshell, Sophia had a boyfriend who was an executive
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: who said, you guys should be making more. And so
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: she went to Alex Cooper and was like, we should
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: be making more. And Alex Cooper, then they went to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the head of Barstools, Dave Portnoy, and Dave was like,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'll give you this much more. And so Alex was like, cool.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And Sophia was like, no. And then Alex is like,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: let's break up. I'll take this deal. But the deal
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: was only for one year. And then she leaves. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: basically takes the advice that was given to her by
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Sophia and the guy Sophia was dating and obviously sets
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: a great deal for herself and has skyrocketed and built
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: an incredible career. Sophia has done great by any means
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: as well. Is she at the Alex Cooper level?
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: No.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: But I had her on my show years ago, like
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: during COVID. And I was like, I just need to
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: ask you about it because it was interesting to see
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the hate. It was like there was hate because... we're
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: mad that the two of you broke up. We're mad
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: that we're not having the dynamic and people taking sides.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: You know, oh, Sophia met a guy and it's the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: guy talking and she was greedy. And I was like,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I think guy or not, yes, you guys deserve to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: be making more and yes, you should own it. So like,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I don't. So anyway, now she has a book coming
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: out and I think it's, I think it's great because
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I think even if you have, only listened to alex
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: cooper since they broke up yeah and you just were
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: like i don't need to listen to soviet you're gonna
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: want to read the book agreed so i think it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: great i don't know now how do you feel about
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: timing and i think it's kind of smart timing that
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: she let several years pass.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah i think in a... I see that point. I
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: think in this case, you know, great that she's doing it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I think the title is also amazing and really catchy.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Which is called.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: It's called Daddy Issues, I think.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, Daddy Issues. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I love a great title.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: The only thing about letting something go for too long
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: is if the world sort of feels like it's over,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: then you're like, why are you bringing this up again?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: But in this case, I think Alex is obviously, she's
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: incredibly successful. She's done really well for herself. And I
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: do think she got the brunt of the split.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Because, you know, Alex wanted to keep going so that
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: they would ultimately, I think, get the IP for the show.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: They had one more year or something. And so that
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: has to be really painful. But on top of that,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: when you, whether you've been wronged or you don't get
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: along with somebody anymore, and you have to watch them skyrocket.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: See?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: That's why I think it is juicy.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, 100%.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, I want to know what happened that day,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: but I also want to hear like where you mentally
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: were six months later. And then, you know, whatever, three
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: years after it happened, I thought things were great. And
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: then I had to open my phone. She made $ 120
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: million serious XM deal. And you're like, I have a
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: beautiful home. I'm doing better than 99.9% of the other podcasters.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: But my partner, and from what I recall, I wasn't
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: like a big listener of the show, is it was
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Sophia that made the expression, I'm unwell, which is now
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the brand, the drink, the sweats are in Target, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that she was more the comedic one. But then Alex
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: was the one that, I also think did the heavy
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: lifting because she actually knew how to edit and do
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: all that type of work. So I see both sides
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and how they met organically and became such good friends
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: and everything. And when I talked to Sophia all the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: way back then, I go, look, you know, it's very hard.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I've said this. I'm like, as more podcasts begin, there's
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: probably just as many Hollywood podcast clients you know, co-host
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: breakups as there are like real Hollywood marriages, because it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a really hard thing to keep going. And you, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: my advice to friends that started is just like, have
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a really clear understanding, even if it's just a contract
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that you put together yourself of like, if one of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: us doesn't want to do it, who keeps the name
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: or the name goes?
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Separate or whatever the case is and how do we
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: work out how much work each person does you know
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: you need to have all that conversation but even.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: When it comes down to language yeah like I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: sometimes people forget in contracts what would have been really
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: smart and maybe they had it at some point or
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: if they got into litigation but like you can write
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: into contracts early on if we ever split essentially yeah
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: this is what the line is And you hold that
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: line or I hold that line. And if we don't.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: We're on the hook for it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: There's some sort of a penalty.
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, sometimes comes and especially in
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: times of crisis, people think about it as an afterthought. Right.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Instead of doing like a full risk assessment up front,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: which I think in this case would have probably prevented
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: some of the messiness or the unbalance.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I do think people are interested, like, you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: also what happened between her and Alex Earl. There was, like,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: mystery around that. So she's had two fallouts now. So
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: I do think even though.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And then I also think that's unfair, too, to assume that,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: you know, you're the common denominator. Because my theory about
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the Alex Earl thing is I think that Alex Cooper
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: does take podcasting seriously.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And I think she picked up this influencer that, is
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: so fun to watch and so great on the Instagram
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and the TikTok, Alex Earl. And I don't know the answer,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: but I'm wondering if, if, if the people were not
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: choosing to listen to Alex Earl for an hour, you know, yes,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: they'll watch you for 90 seconds, put your outfit together
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: while your boyfriend stands in the back. But that's a whole,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that's why a lot of influencers, the podcasting doesn't work
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: because can you talk for an hour and a half?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Week after week and still tell far stories. And, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and so maybe there was a little bit of like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: you need to do this, this and this. And she's like, Hey,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I'm making $ 10 million a year on doing Instagram and commercials.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I don't need to be told by you how to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: change it. And I just don't want to do it anymore.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Or she started to read negative comments, which is like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I think another reason why I like movie stars and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: influencers lead podcasting because when they were doing movies and stuff,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: they didn't have this direct, your voice is annoying. You
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: said the same thing twice. Why did you know? And
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: they just are like, this isn't for me. Like mentally,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: this is not where I want to be. So I,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: it could have been something, it could have been something
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: way juicier than that, or it could have been something
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like that. We just don't know. And then they both
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: knew legally, we're not going to bash each other. And,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and Alex now being in this world for a while
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: kind of knows, I think to be like, Can we
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: make an agreement that we don't... Now, do you think
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that Alex Cooper cares that this book is coming out?
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I would.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: You know, anytime you, like, if you have a friendship
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: that breaks up or anything, like, or maybe at least
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: I do, it's sort of like, what are they going
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: to tell people about me? If, you know, like, I
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: think when you get to know somebody and you have vulnerabilities...
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I think if I was Alex Cooper, I would.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Not mention this till the book comes out. Agreed. I
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: would then, you know, get an advance copy from somebody. And,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously it's going to be her perspective. Obviously
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it's not going to make Alex look like the greatest
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: girlfriend in the world.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But then with that, if I was to say anything,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I'd either not say anything or I'd just say, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's really great. Everyone has a right to
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: tell their story, to write their memoirs. It's not how
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I remember it. These are not the way I remember
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the conversations. But, you know, she's so successful and so
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: am I. And we shared a chapter of our lives together.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And just like a marriage, it didn't last forever.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: That's what I would say.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I think that I don't see anything wrong with that
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: kind of a response. I think it will ultimately come
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: down to what are the types of things that are included. Yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: If it's like he said, she said kind of arguments. Yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: If Alex enters that chat, like nobody's ever going to
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: win because you're going to take the side of whoever
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: you like better.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: But if there's any sort of strong allegations or, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: she did X or Y that would actually cause any
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: sort of reputational damage to Alex, then I do think
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: a response to your point of sort of taking the
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: high road of just acknowledging the time, like it was
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: good while it lasted. I still respect you. I think
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: you have every right to be a creative and like
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: speak your mind and do your thing and just leave
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: it there because it'll go back and forth.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's also just like, I think this is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a fascinating subject of adult female relationships that don't last,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: which is like why the Housewives franchise and why women
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: are just, women are more interested in knowing why a
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: long-term girlfriend friendship broke up than why you left your husband. Like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it is more interesting because it's like, well, because you
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: weren't fucking, then you should have been able to stay
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: friends forever like sisters.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: That's a really good point.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And it's like, but if it's the father of your
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: three kids, women are like, kick him to the curb.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Who cares? You know, they're not going, no, you should
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: make this work. No, they're like, no, he's awful. But
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: if it's a friend, it's like, well, could you? And
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: just sometimes it's mutual and sometimes it's just like, I...
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I look fondly on the time we spent together, but
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I maybe don't miss you in my life day to day,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you know, or I do. Like, it will be interesting
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: if how intimate she gets on her feelings. Like, does
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: she say, yeah, I saw the photos of Alex's wedding.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it made me sad not to be there.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It made me not like those type of things where
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you're like, I wouldn't expect to be. I'm fine where
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I am. But when I see it, does it? And
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I see, oh, in the corner is, you know, a
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: mutual friend of ours that we used to fucking laugh
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: in our 800 square foot apartment and, you know, wonder
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: if we were ever going to make it. Like, I
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: think that's where it's like intriguing. And I hope when
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the book comes out, if she just got the deal,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: meaning I don't know if she's written it or not,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: but I hope if she listens to this, I think
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: those are the things that people want to like hear.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: The most and will make it the most successful book.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: She did say she was like, it took me this
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: long because I had to like let go of a
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: lot of ego to like face this. I think from
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: a perspective of.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And time really does heal all wounds.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: And give perspective.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: And yes. And there's, you know, that's why people like
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: don't send that email at 2 a.m.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Or that text, like maybe write it, maybe think about it,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: maybe put it in your notes, see how you feel
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: two days later, maybe read it to somebody like, you know.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I also wonder if it's because, you know, for better
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: or worse, there's this always subtext that women, I absolutely
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: think that they should. But you're supposed to lift each
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: other up and you're supposed to, like, Yeah. Be together
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: and do things together and not harm each other and
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: root for one another and, you know, ignore natural things
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: like jealousy and, you know, and when that's sort of
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: an impossible standard.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: And I think when two women don't end up, you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: or their friendship ends up fracturing, you know, for the
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: sake of vulnerabilities and the fact that as women, we
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: know how much when you're close to somebody, again, you divulge,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: you share, you you know, explore certain things that you
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: wouldn't necessarily do that when there's a break, it has
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: to feel a little bit like betrayal.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: And I think as, as consumers or of people that we,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: when we watch and we love friendships together, we sort
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: of feel betrayed by the break as well.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Because we want to believe that like, no friendships like that,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: actually they, they can work, they should work. So you
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: kind of are, it leaves you curious as to what
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: went wrong. Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: And so, and you may never, you know, so it's like,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I think people will be definitely excited to write. And
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: then of course that won't be the whole book, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: unfortunately when people do books like this, you're like, you
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: get the book and it's like, So my mother came
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: from Italy and my father.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: And you're like, okay, okay.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, and then I took the kickball back.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And that's when I knew I was a badass little girl.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And you're like, okay, she's only eight. Keep going. Yeah.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: We lost the virginity.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Okay. Now this is getting kind of, okay. Now it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: getting juicy. And then I met Alex and you're like, okay.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And then, so it's like, I mean, I wrote a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: memoir and I did have the editor say, let's start
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: it at 18.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I had like, and I wish I knew where those
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: pages were because they were probably pretty good. And I
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: don't remember what stories they cut. But I was like,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I hear you. The book is called You'll Never Blue
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Ball in this Town Again. Let's get to the dating.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: That's what it should be. You know, no one cares.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: You know, everyone thinks their own like heritage is super interesting,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: but it's really not.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: To someone else, like what village your grandpa came from.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: They want.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. They want an exploration into essentially what they know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: but not like too deep away from what they care for.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: So Colton Underwood, the famous bachelor who then eventually came
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: out as a gay man, he was in Traders. We
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: are recording this before I see the Traders reunion. However,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: we've seen a scene where he gets upset and leaves
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and Lisa Run is like, oh, you better believe I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: going to talk about it and brings up the fact
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: that he obviously was a weirdo and made his fiance
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Cassie from the show's Life a Nightmare. What is your
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: opinion of him or advice to him in this situation
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: now that it's got brought up again? I mean, the
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: thing is people do forget about this stuff.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And the majority of people forget. They're like, oh, cool.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Colton's on Traders. He already did a show about like
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: virgins on an island. I don't think it was a
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: big hit, but he already had his other. So he
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: came out with a companion series about it, about coming out.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: He then got married, and I think they have a child.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And then he did this, co-hosted this dating thing about
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like older virgins. And now we got this. I think
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: people had forgotten. They had accepted that he is a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: gay married man father who's a cute guy who's a personality.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And some people are just like, oh, I see that
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: culting guy. Some people forget that he was ever a bachelor.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: You just like forget. And to this to be brought
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: up in the traitors thing, first by Michael Rapaport, which
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: then he was criticized for because he was like, if
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: someone can keep a secret, it's the person who kept
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: their secret of their sexuality for, you know, 20. He
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: didn't say it. He never even said that. He goes,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: if someone could keep a secret, I think it's you.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Which that show is just pointing at everything. And then
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: he took that on and was like, oh, because I
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: lived in pain for 27 years, not truly being myself,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you're homophobic. And then people, 99% of the people were
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: on Michael Rapaport's side, though they were happy to see
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: him go because he was annoying. But what do you
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: think about this bubbling up again? And how do you
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: even rectify that situation?
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: I think just to go back to the Lisa part
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: of this, it's like it's no different than remember when
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: she was like, were people doing coke in your bathroom? Oh, yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: You know? Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Those are her iconic sayings.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And yes, they're iconic. And I think what she
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: said to him at some point, like, I do think
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: it'll I mean, it's it's none of this is a
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: situation to to laugh about. But I guess neither is
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: drug use when you're a mother of two kids. Yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: These things have repercussions. When you say things like that
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: in the way that they're said in that public forum,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: things do tend to stick. I think, I will say,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I didn't watch The Bachelor, so I was not introduced
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: to him at that point. I did not know about
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: the issue with the woman that he was dating or engaged,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: dating or, I don't know.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: No, they were engaged.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: They were engaged.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And then she broke up with him, and that's when
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: he put the tracker on her car. And then she
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: had to get a restraining order. And he also harassed her,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: sending her horrible texts and her family members' texts for
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: a year from anonymous numbers. And then he also was like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I'm getting threatening texts too. And the whole time it
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: was him. So he did like a catfish thing on himself.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: The only thing that I feel like.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Which is really fucking weird. Let's just remind ourselves. That's weird.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: But something about this is giving like.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I feel like if he could have addressed it like
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: fully and head on.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Back then, I think he did. And that's why he
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: got a forgiveness.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Like with a full explanation of what happened.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there's some statement somewhere where he's like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I was going through a time. What happened was we
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: forgave him because everybody knows someone who is gay and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: couldn't be honest early in their life. So when he
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: is like, this is it. For some reason, everybody just said, well,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: then we excuse your weird behavior to this girl. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the girl is beautiful. So people aren't like, well, her
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: life sucks.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: She already met somebody else and got married. So I
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: think people are like, she's fine. She's fine. So he
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: still did all that. And I guess he had good
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: agents and, and the show went and people wanted to
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: see it. And, and, I mean, I think he's going
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: to keep getting work. What are you going to do?
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: You just have to say, I, he probably will be like,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: I already addressed it. I think if he did address it,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: that's fine. I know like at the time when, cause
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: I watched traders religiously, I desperately want to be on
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: the civilian one.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Um, but I totally get out right away. Um, he,
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: I remember looking it up and I was like, this
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: isn't a full picture, whatever it was or however it
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: was addressed was not like, what you would need to
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: do in that situation to sort of like free himself
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: of it. That road was not taken, which in my opinion,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: just again, from situations that I've been in similar to this,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: maybe there is some sort of agreement of what he
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: can and cannot talk about or she can. Has she
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: ever spoken up?
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: The girlfriend? No, I mean, I think she's living, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a pretty private life now. But no, I mean, the
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: story was, I remember it was just like, It was,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you know, shocking. It was awful. And when it was
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: first happening, we just thought he was a weird straight
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: guy who's like stalking his girlfriend who doesn't want to
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: be with him anymore. And then I feel like when
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: we found out he was gay, I feel like women
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: are like so forgiving and supportive of someone. They're like, oh,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: so that's why he acted so awful and was so
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: possessive and weird and scary. And it's like, well, that
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: really shouldn't. Sure, you can forgive people, whatever. But, I mean,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: it's just interesting that, like, a guy that does that
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: gets all these more opportunities and everything. But he is cute.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And he is kind of fun to watch on TV.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And so, like, I can also see why he keeps
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: getting work.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think at the, you know, sometimes with people like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I think Colton, again, there's a likability about him. I
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: think when people want to like somebody... and that person
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: messes up or disappoints, if there is an excuse to
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: be given, they will latch onto it and move on
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: because they like that person. They still want to see them.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: They want to engage in their world, whatever it is.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: If somebody does not have that kind of a reputation
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: or is not of interest or has had a really
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: hard time in the media per se, the opposite will happen, right?
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Like they will go harder and harder and harder on
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: the hate. That doesn't seem to have happened in this case.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: So I think if he if he did fully at
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: some point did address it, just let it go. I
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: don't think I don't think it's worth, you know, I
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: think he'd be better off finding other mediums and avenues
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: to like showcase more of who he is outside of
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: those things.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Who he is as a dad. What is his own
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: personal life like? What are his interests? Things that go
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: beyond just if you know him on Traders and you
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: know him for being that kind of a player. Or
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: you know him from The.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Bachelor from dating a certain way. What do you think
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: his future is? Do you think he gets... Because where
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: do you go from this? Are we really going to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: see him hosting another show? I kind of think this might...
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe he will go away, kind of.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Has he written a book?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I think he probably has. Most bachelors have.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I think he can survive.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I think he's done everything he can do.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: You know, and, but I mean, who knows, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: someone like this that has this kind of following, could
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: he have a clothing company? Could he, you know, people
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: come with ideas and things.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: By the way, he can still make a tremendous living
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: just from doing stuff on social media and online.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: But I will say the timing of this and with
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Renna's book coming out and her pissing off a lot
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: of other people and saying, you know, off-color things will
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: work to his advantage. Because if she does come for
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: him on that traitor stage during a week or two
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: weeks when she's been coming after everybody, I do think
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: there will be, from a public's perspective, more leniency towards him.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this girl... Oh, I don't have her name
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: in front of me. But this is the girl who
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: had this HGTV show on all ready to go.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: And it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Wasn't her first show. And she does, you know, remodeling
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and everything on HGTV. And while she was filming something,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: she was, you know, instead of saying, oh, shoot, she said, Fart,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the N word. And then she goes, oh my God,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: why did I say that? Can you please delete that?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And the guy goes, well, no, because I've been filming
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: this whole time. So I can't just like stop. And
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: she's like, oh, fuck my life. Then it got out.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And once it got out, she said, well, that this
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: person said, I'm going to release it unless you give
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: me money. And I guess she said no. And then
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: he did release it. But then HGTV said, just completely
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: canceled the whole show. It was like done everything. They
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: were just like, no, which I think, yeah, probably the
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: right corporate decision or network decision to make. All right.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: What's your advice for her in going forward? Go away.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Because I think if in a moment like that, if
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: that word comes to mind, like that would never come
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: to my mind if I mess something up I'd be
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: like fuck or sorry can I say that but like
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: every other word like would come to mind that would
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: not like I don't think.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: In moments of like it's in her vocabulary it's just
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: like the Tourette's guy yeah Tourette's or not why I
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: mean exactly I.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Don't know with like Tourette's if it's the same sort
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: of a thing like does it just come into your
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: mind or like is it I don't know enough about
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: it to like understand the process of like thought.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I guess with somebody, I mean,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: when you listen to unrestricted songs, it's all in those.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: So even if you didn't say it, but you had Tourette's,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: maybe then you could say it, but I don't know.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: But like in, in her instance, I just remember. Oh
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: my God. What was the story of the lady that
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: had like the, white hair and she was southern and
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: she was like a cooking lady oh and she got
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: canceled and she had a.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Couple restaurants wasn't no that's she didn't.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Have the butter but her name was like oh i
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: know people like screaming in their car paula dean yes
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: she had something like this happen yeah she was it
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: was a hot mic or something we know where she's
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: from no does that make a difference? Does it make
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: it worse?
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: It doesn't make a difference, but I do feel.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Like you're from the South. Would it make it worse
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: or better?
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Or I don't think, I think it means you probably
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: have more work to do.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Like, I think that
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: there are innate, you know, when it comes to issues
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: of like race and racism, like that's either, you know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: there's the conscious version of it where you absolutely know
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: you are. And then the unconscious version of it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Um, who's to say in this case, what her situation is,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: what her background is, if it was acceptable to use
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: that kind of language while she was growing up. So maybe,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: maybe she doesn't use it in her personal life, but
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: she's been around it enough where it came out. It's
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: not acceptable. Uh, she needs to go away. She needs
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: to probably educate herself, understand why that word came out
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: of her mouth. Um, And revisit it when she can
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: address it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: So how would you educate? What do you do to
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: educate someone? Because I remember when Stassi Schroeder got in
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: her situation, which it was not this, but it was
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: a time in 2020 where somebody just kind of like
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: remembered some unsavory things that she had said on podcast episodes.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And she'd had her podcast for a very long time.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And one was about another cast member who was black.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: And the other one was her being annoyed about the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Oscars kind of being so diverse. And I'm just being
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: vague because I don't remember exactly what she said. And
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: she's doing great now, but it took a lot of years.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And she lost everything. They fired her from the show.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Her agent dumped her. Her publicist dumped her. Her publisher
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: dumped her because at the time she had a second book.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Eventually the second book came around. But at that time
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: it was like ready to go and they pulled the deal.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: They were about to go on a tour for the podcast. However,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: no one was touring at that time because of COVID.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: But that got canceled. And then she didn't come out gay,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: but she came out pregnant, which I think is... maybe
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the second best thing that could happen. So then people
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: laid off and, and then she made her way back.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: She wrote the book, but, but her, um, one time
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the person representing her was like, we'd love to have,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I would love to have her have her first interview
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: with you. And of course, like I was thrilled and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I was, um, in covering it, I was kind of,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I was understanding of what she was going through and
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: felt bad and was like, just let her have her pregnancy. Um,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: But he said she did– he goes, she really did
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: go to work. She met with a diversity coach and
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: read these books and everything and really had a better
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: understanding of why she got to that place, why she
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: was in that place of such privilege to feel annoyed
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: to talk about the things that she did talk about
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: that are like, well, look about– look from this perspective.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: So in the end, like she's doing amazing and nobody–
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Nobody seems to care, you know, what happened five years
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: ago when they enjoy her hosting a reunion on the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Hulu network.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Well, it's also because she hasn't messed up again. So
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I feel like that's the difference between somebody releasing a
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: statement that says, I really need to educate myself versus
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: the person that actually does go and educate themselves. Because
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: just like you said, there had been comments along the
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: way that were unsavory. That's that same issue seeping through.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: So unless you go to the root of the problem
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: and actually address it as a human being, it's going
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: to sneak up and you're going to trip up again.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: So there was somebody that I was advising during that
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: period where I said to them, I will work with you,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: but you need to actually go to school. I want
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: you to go to school. I want you to pay
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: for a class on learning about bias and race and issues.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: And when you are done with that, then we can
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: revisit this and put a plan forward.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: And their recovery was pretty quick. They came back after
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: the fact they were able to address.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: It and move on. Yeah. Um, that's just, yeah, that's interesting. Um, okay.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: The Beckhams, you know, the Beckhams, uh, have been public
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: people for many years. They have the ultimate sticky daughter-in-law situation. Um,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: And how do you feel about that whole situation with
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Brooklyn and Nicola?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nicola.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Nicola.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I think it's a similar type of thing where, you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: not so different to necessarily Alex Cooper or even, you know,
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: the Duchess of Sussex at one point, which is like
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: people come into the situation with a preconceived notion about
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: who they are. whether they've heard something or they've decided.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: And I think in this case with Nicola, um, she's
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: never really been that, you know, beloved. I think the
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: beloved family was, is the Beckhams. Um, and I think
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: for people sometimes when there's somebody that gets to marry
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: into a situation like that, even though she's of course
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: wealthy beyond means, but like, The fame and like they
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: are an iconic family. They are a part of like,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: you know. Our zeitgeist pop culture. Yeah. There's a legacy there, right.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Beyond just being, um, on whatever track she was on
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: that I think from the get go kind of did
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: not set her up. Again, if you don't tell, if
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: you're not able to tell your own story, like other
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: people will do it for you.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: And so she, she had never really addressed who she
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: was separate from him. I think she was trying to act. Yeah.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: So then when you come into a situation like this
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: and there's sort of no barometer on who you are,
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: it's really easy to pick apart somebody during a time
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: like this.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: The other part of this is like, you know, when
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: things are relatable and I think everybody knows somebody that
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: has either married, dated, experimented with somebody that their family
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: or friends did not like.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: And so when you get that vibe, if you've been
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: on the other side where you have not liked somebody,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: somebody that somebody close to you has been with you're
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: more likely emotionally to side with the side that's struggling
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: with it and struggling with that person so it already
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: puts her like kind of in an odd odd position.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah even though like i i have a daughter and
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: two boys i always think i've always thought of it
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: more like you don't like the husband of your daughter
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah and um Well, no one's ever good enough. I
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: feel like there's that.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: But I've always remembered one time, Kris Jenner, when the
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: first time I was hearing about, early, early on, before
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: they had ever had a show and we were friendly,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and I was like, wait, Kim got married at 18
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: to this older guy. He was in his 30s, had
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: four kids, and met him and got married in Vegas
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: or something at 18. And I was like, oh my God,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: how did you deal with that to Kris? And she
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: just said, well, I embraced him and I, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: included them in everything. And she didn't say this part,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: but I realized why it was smart. It was like,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: you know, you got to remain being there because then
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: once it doesn't work out, God forbid he's abusive or
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: something or cheats on her and she wants out, she
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't She's still in a good relationship with you, so
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: she can go to your house. And if it's like,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: if you're with that piece of trash, I'm not talking
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: to you, then they're so embarrassed. Then the isolation starts,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: and they're so embarrassed that they might stay. And I
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: think even with a guy, it's really hard as the
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: mom because you're just like, okay, this woman hates me,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what to do, and he's my son.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: And again, I just think you have to be the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: bigger person And you have to continue to invite him or,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I think that's absolutely. I mean, I had to.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: And you just keep doing it and be like, it's
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: my birthday. Do you think you can meet me for lunch? No, no, no. And,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: you know, what are you going to do? And then
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you just have to know for your own soul as
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: a parent. Like, I tried. I texted, you know, four
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: times a year, no matter what, no matter how many
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: years went. I sent a card. Da, da, da, da.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: But I also get at a certain point as a parent,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: you're like, all right. I'm, you're an adult too. So like,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: if you don't want to mess with me, like I'm
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: not going to keep putting my heart on the soul.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: But the chances of someone who gets married at 22
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: years old or whatever he was actually staying married forever
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: is very low. So I'm like, I think eventually they'll
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: break up and you don't want to have too much
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: time pass with your son. Yeah.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: I think, by the way, you're even just from, I'll
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: say personal experience, you're a hundred percent right. I think
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: when you That isolation piece is so key because it
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: ends up creating this like it's an us against the
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: world dynamic.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: And then what usually ends up happening is then one
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: person after being in that bubble starts to decide like,
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: maybe I actually want to see what the world is like.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: And then the other person's like, no, no, no, stay
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: in this with me. It's just us. And then that's
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: usually where like the friction starts to begin.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: I think in dynamics like this. But I think, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: for those two, I haven't understood why at least I
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: totally get wanting to express yourself and share what you're
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: going through. That's something I think all people want, whether
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: you're famous or you're not. But what the purpose and
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: the timing was for them to put out that statement
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: now when there have been rumors for years now that
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: something is off in the dynamic. I think, you know,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: one thing that I would have advised against in a
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: statement like that is the pointing of the fingers with
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: specific examples.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean like with how they said about the
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: wedding and the dance?
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: The wedding and the dog. What was the dog? That
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: they had asked, I think, her to either house some
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: puppies after the fire or donate something.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: They asked Victoria?
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: Victoria. And she never responded or didn't engage. I think people,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: you know, as much as it's interesting to read and
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: see all the memes and, like, that was a joyful
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: week on the internet in a lot of ways, but, like,
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: at least for, certainly not for them, that, like, you,
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: when you do that, you open up A whole new
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: can of worms. And the focus then becomes on like, well,
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: did that happen? Like they found the DJ that did
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: the wedding to like ask. He's like on the Today
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Show or something being like, this is let me set
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: it straight.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I wondered about that DJ thing. I thought maybe I
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: think that the Beckhams like said, can you go do
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: these interviews? Because I think he came off. It was
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: good for the Beckhams because he was like, didn't he
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: say that?
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: No, I think he actually said it was like weird.
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe the name. I feel like somebody must
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: have given their approval for him to go because why
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: would you jeopardize being the person that's the DJ that's
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: telling the secrets?
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Well, at the same time, you're, you know, not forgetting
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: who her side of the family family is.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: The billionaire side.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. There could be, he may, he may never have
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: to DJ again.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking to, to, to keep the story.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Because then it was like, we were hearing like, no,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: it was Mark Anthony who said it. And it was
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: a salsa or something that would say, put your hands
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: on the hips. And then we also heard, no, they
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: already had their first dance.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: They weren't, this was not the first dance. And like,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: And people didn't have their phones because it was a
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: big high profile wedding. So, yeah. And then also just that, like,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: you know, they're rich, but the parents' family is richer
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: and they don't have to do, you know, supposedly get
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: a million dollars a month. They don't really have to
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: do anything ever again.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: So why not just, I don't know what this afforded them.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: This is what I think. I think, again, you're in
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: the relationship with the person that's set to isolate you.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: it becomes, I just don't want to fight. So if
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I bring up my mom or if I go to
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: see my mom, you are mad at me for a week.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: You mentally torture me. You give me the silent treatment. Fine,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I won't go to the lunch. And that's what happens. Like,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, the more common dynamic is a man doing
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: it to a woman where she's like, I want to
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: see my friends. No, I hate all your friends.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I want to see my sister. And then
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: he finds something that, you know, he doesn't like about
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: the sister anymore. And then if you get caught lying,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: then he's like, you've lied. You saw your sister. And
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: you're like, fine, I won't see my sister. And the
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: next thing you know, now you're being hit and you
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: have no one to call.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Correct. Yeah.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: So it's like... if it, maybe it.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Was some sort of declaration to her, like I, I am,
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: I am yours behind the scenes and privately, and now
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: I'm making it public, but we, we've sort of seen
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: this scenario play out before and it has not, uh,
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: it hasn't, you know, necessarily, I don't think anybody would
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: say like that was a slam dunk, right? Like it
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: didn't come with a lot of repercussions. So, um, Again,
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the point of it was. And
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I think without that intention, it's hard to kind of
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: feel badly for them, especially because they're incredibly privileged. And
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: they do both have parents that are healthy. You know
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: what I mean? How bad is it beyond just maybe
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: not fully embracing one another? I will say, though... Like
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: there are certain times and like my team always will
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: like they'll know because I'll usually like end up like
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: on the floor because I think it's like the best
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: response ever. What David did when he was asked.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Which was what?
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: He was sort of like he was at some other event.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: I think maybe Davos. And he said children are allowed
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: to make mistakes. And I think he said such errors
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: are part of learning and that parents sometimes have to
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: let that happen.
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: And I was sort of like. That is a great response.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: That's like dead in the water.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: We're unfazed. We're unbothered. This is our kid. And we're
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: not going to pick apart what he said. And we're
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: not going to try to get the audience on our
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: side when it's an internal family problem. Brilliant.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Like no notes.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Genius. Great. You know, Prince Andrew's been a big problem
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: for years for the royals since like 2000. this photo
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: came out with Ghislaine Maxwell and of course Virginia, who
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: has since passed, but she really was the person who
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: wrote the book and told all about it. He said,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I never, this photo is Photoshopped. I said, oh, I
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: never went to that nightclub. And she said he was
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: sweating all over me. He said, I had a disease
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: that caused me not to sweat. And, you know, he
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: did that BBC interview, which was shocking. And in your knowledge,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: did he have... Did he just go do that rogue?
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Or did they... Do you think the royal publicist or
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: whoever told him that he could do that interview?
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I remember.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: I saw... There was... I think there's a doc... No,
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: it's not a documentary, but it's... It's... might be a
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: movie or a series on Netflix where they like went
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: into it if I recall properly I think he ended
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: up pushing it like he was advised against doing it
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: and ultimately was like the one that was like no
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: I'm doing it I can do it I can.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Pull this off okay so with with this now he's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: been arrested um does this reflect horribly on the royal
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: family I don't I think it I think once this
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: came out six years ago, the damage was done. And
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: now at this point, you're like, yeah, if he has
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: to go to prison, whatever, let him go. Obviously, you know,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: he is in the royal family. It's just there's a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: little bit of question, like, if they're going to find
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: anything else, how any royals were ever implicated. But it
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like they are.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: You know, I... What's unfortunate about it is now that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: it's gotten this far, I think, you know, everybody knew
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: how much Her Majesty the Queen loved Andrew. It's her son,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: of course. And it definitely seemed like at some point,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: whether it's King Charles or the palace or whomever, was
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: made aware that some more shit was about to go down.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Because that's when, all of a sudden, now we're taking
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: his title away.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: And we're taking his residence away. And we're taking security away.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: When the entire time up until that point, he had
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: all of those things.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: And the kids are King Charles, Princess Anne.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Then Andrew. And then like Edwin. Edward. And then Andrew.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Andrew's the youngest.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: I actually don't know.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: But those are the four.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the four.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: And the other, Edwin or Edward, whatever he's doing, he's
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: just sort of.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's up.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything wrong, but he doesn't, he's not,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: you know, a juicy topic. And he's so far down
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: the line that, you know.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't really matter.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: But I think it's good in the time since, obviously,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: you know, the difference once, you know, King Charles became
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: King Charles. and then was clearly briefed about all of this,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: I think he did do the right things by removing
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: that at a time before the public got to know
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: everything and all this new information. Rather than doing it
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: right now would seem like, how did you not know?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Even though they don't have power, like as far as
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: like with the country, it is, I mean, you know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: in a hundred years, if this is made into whatever
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: form of movie and TV is, It is pretty juicy. Like,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I wonder, is the crown done? I mean, or could
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: there be another season of the crown that brings us
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: up to this time where he's being, you know, taken of?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, that would be pretty good.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: I feel like this, I feel like the crown got
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: us so far.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's a whole nother series waiting for
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: this last past chapter into that includes this and you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: obviously other transitions, et cetera. And potentially as William and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Kate obviously ascend a bit higher. But this is, you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like there's always a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: bad apple. You know what I mean?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, talk about the ultimate bad apple.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: This is like the, you know, this is, I would
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: say rotten.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Because like, you know, there's that photo of Epstein and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Ghislaine on the porch of that Like frogs, whatever. There's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: some house of theirs. What's it called?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: Was it at Frogmore?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at Frogmore. They're clearly on the porch of that. So, like,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: they were there. They have, you know, there's... Now it
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: could have been they just had a tea. You know,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: who knows? But I think that's where it's like, oh,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: my God. You know, if anything more nefarious happened, like,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: on the actual royal property, that would be a lot. I.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. We'll see what happens with him. Okay.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: John and Carolyn Bessette were watching the show Love Story.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: During that time, you were a young girl. So you
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: were not in the position you are today. But I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: thought it'd be kind of fun to do like a hypothetical.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: When they were in the news all the time and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: their arguments got caught on tape and people were, you know...
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Trying to say, are you going to have a baby?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Is someone cheating? She's a bitch. You know, all the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: articles all the time because we were so obsessed with
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: their style and who they were. How do you, I mean,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: what is your opinion of that? Of here you are,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: this girl that, you know, didn't, was not a thirst bucket.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, well, first I'll say it's interesting because I, I, again,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I remember the day that that plane crashed. So I, I,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: and I remember the significance of the two of them, uh,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: more so him, but you know, I think for her
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: in wanting to maintain a more private life, which I understand, um,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think there was ever an opportunity or an
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: interview or a lot of times where she was sort
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: of able to say, like, this is who I am.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: And as a result, the mystique around her and the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: not knowing created a much larger circus. They said there's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: very little audio of her voice at all. Yeah. And look,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's even hard. I think in the show,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: it's a lot of us besides seeing a photo of her.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: It's our first time kind of understanding maybe who she
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: is or who she was. Um, and, and what's interesting
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: is like, at least for me in my perspective, how,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: how the show is defining her is sort of different
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: than how I envisioned her in my mind. Uh, I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: didn't know that she was as, you know, if, if
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: they're doing a perfect portrayal, um, as sort of, like,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: confident and suave as she was. Like, I kind of
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: always thought she was more.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, according to Carol Radziwill, she really was, like,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: the most confident girl she ever met.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, that doesn't necessarily come through in the photos.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: I think you can see she's sort of always positioned
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: and looks to him with a lot of admiration or
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: she's showing a lot of joy and expression on her
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: face that this was, like, truly, you know... a love
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: story for them. And maybe she did not want to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: allow any more, um, any more intrigue into their life.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: But I think by not doing that, you kind of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: cause a bigger, you know, a bigger commotion around yourself
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: because it's, it's so not acceptable. It's so, I mean,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: not acceptable. It's so inaccessible and it's so exclusive that, It.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Was such a different time because I'm like, you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: it'd be so weird now if a girl that looked
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: like her and lived in New York in 2026 didn't
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: have an Instagram account and wasn't doing get ready with
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: me's and things. And then she just didn't really want
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: that life and didn't like it. But maybe that's because
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: it wasn't on her. Maybe that time of where the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: paparazzi would follow you around and write stories about you.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking that probably was much harder life than just
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: being able to put it out all yourself. Because, I mean, truly,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: I think Instagram and, you know, doing your own social
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: media is what killed that whole industry of magazines. Because...
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: People are able to say, you know, how they feel
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: about things, what they're doing, what they're saying.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Well, you can see them.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Like, now we see new photos.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I remember I used to, like, go to my
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  Speaker 4: mom's office and, like, I couldn't wait if she had, like,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: an Us Weekly or People to see, like, what is
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: Mary-Kate wearing? Like, now it's no problem. Well, actually, they're
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: still kind of exclusive. But, like, yeah, they don't have Instagrams.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: They're kind of off the grid. Again, there's a lot of,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: I'd say that they're way more papped. Than other celebrities
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: that are on social media and are sharing more of themselves.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that's going to be a sign of
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: true status in a little bit. Where it's like, I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: don't have to be online.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: Correct. I think in a way it is.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: I think it is kind of coming to that point.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: It's quiet luxury.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: It's quiet luxury. I don't need to post about my yacht.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I don't need to film everything. little thing I do.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I don't need the public to say how great I am.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I'm so confident. Because I'm always just like, even when
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: I see a Britney Spears taking to the foyer again,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, she must get something by seeing that 100,000
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: people liked it and, you know, 50,000 shared it. Even
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: though she cut off the comments, it's like she needs
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: that little drug. You know, she needs that bump of like, okay,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: people are looking and talking about me. And I think
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: it does say a lot when a pretty girl is
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: just that. Like, I wonder if like old school socialites...
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: will come back into play and that they are not accessible,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: that you cannot follow them. But it'll be, I don't know.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: I think that it's so saturated and with the AI
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: and everything, I feel like there is going to be
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: some wave that's going to start to emerge in the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: next couple of years. That's like maybe not the alpha generation,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: which is after Z, but like the betas. Like I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: wonder if like those parents are, not going to be
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: all about the iPad in front of their kid's face
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: all the time and are like, yeah, you know, they
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: seem to be more protective of their kids. And like,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like that generation might be different and be,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: it might be like, no, there's that world. And then
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: there's the, the real world that isn't being chronic, chronicled, whatever.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: No, I, I, I certainly agree with that, but I do,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: I do think, and I think I said this earlier,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: it's like, if you don't, tell your story, somebody else will.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what is happening with this show and
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: how this is playing out, especially for a generation that
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: did not like was not alive when, when they were around.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: This is like their first.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Like I wonder if they did have like where she
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: was like, sure, I'll go on the today show with
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: you and things like that. Then we would have like
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: seen their funny dynamic and maybe you're right. Maybe if
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: there wasn't such a mystery, maybe they wouldn't have been
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: as hounded. Because I do feel like with other famous
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: couples that were mysterious at one time and like the,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: you know, like the Royals who then moved to America
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: and stuff, the interest has died down as far as like,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: what are they doing? Where are they going? What is
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: she wearing? Because they, she does have Instagram and they,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: they did have a TV show. And so I feel
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: like that's probably good for them or maybe not but
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: definitely it's like the the hunger is not what it
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: was five years ago to just just get any glimpse
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: into this mysterious life.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: And i don't think it ever has to be or
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: in their case especially like i think it would have
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: still made sense if it was just like one thing
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: yeah you know maybe it was one beautiful interview that
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: they even did together or something It doesn't have to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: be all that, like, and now I'm on the cover
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: of this magazine. I'm doing this in, like, a full-blown campaign.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: She doesn't need to justify her existence.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: She's accomplished.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: She's beautiful. He loves her, and she loves him. That, like,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: that's sort of enough. But I think there's this sort
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: of notion amongst people. It's like, if you're not willing
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: to show us who you are, then, like, also, what
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: are you hiding?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: Which, again, like, pushes the intrigue.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Right, right. Okay, last one we're going to talk about.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Armie Hammer. That was an interesting time when, especially now
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: with the Epstein files of cannibalism and that he wrote
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: girls that he was cheating on his wife with things like,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: I want to take out your rib and barbecue and
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: eat it and all that. And then But then when
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: it really all came out and they did the documentary, which,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: by the way, by the time that doc came out,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: I felt like people were over the story. And also
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: it's in his defense. It sounded like, well, he was
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: into the, you know, Fifty Shades of Grey kind of thing.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: And these girls participated. And, yeah, probably fucked them up.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Who wouldn't? But they didn't get a lot of sympathy. And, again,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: the interest had waned. Now he is doing a podcast
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: like the rest of us.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: And his mom, too.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: She has her own or she's just a guest on
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: it all the time?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: No, her mom, it was just, I think, announced. Her
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: mom now has a podcast.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: You mean his mom?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: His mom. His mom has a podcast where she will
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: be interviewing men who have been canceled. Okay.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: I was really into this story. I had his aunt
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: on who'd written this book years prior. I remember that, actually.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: And Casey. But then, like everybody else, I was kind
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: of like, well, okay, here's your podcast. And I think
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: he's doing okay. I don't know. I personally don't think eventually, sure,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: he might be acting again in something else. He'll never
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: be at that movie star like status that he was
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: because he's older and there's other people now that have been,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: you know, that are just as hot and everything. And
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: it seemed like a lot of the things that he
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: was getting were, were kind of duds after his initial
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: like thing with Timothee Chalamet. And, but he kept getting
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: these parts because he like was good looking. And then
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: when this whole thing happened and he essentially like got canceled,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, where do you, what is your
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: prediction of him? I feel like people don't care.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think people care, but I also don't necessarily
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: want any more.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want any more either, but I also feel
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: like that was such a big cancellation. That was such
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: a crazy thing. And again, it was at that weird
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: COVID time that people were just like thirsty for anything
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: to like latch on and get obsessed with. And, but
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: now I, I'm like, Yeah, it's so weird that after
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: a few years you're like, oh, remember that whole thing
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: about Armie Hammerling wanting to eat girls' ribs? And he
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: just was like, yeah, I was a cheater and I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: was fucked up and I wrote sick shit to girls
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: that I was cheating on my wife with. And you're
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: just like, okay.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it also takes so
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: much today. for anybody to be a movie star, especially
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: like having to kind of start over and having this,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: I mean like, I feel like Glenn Powell has been
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: like in the running and like the closest thing we've
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: had to sort of like that mold of an old
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: school movie star. And even still, it's not like guaranteed
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: box office success. So like for him, for people to
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: want to take a risk on him from a creative standpoint,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: I think is going to be really tough.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: I think he might have done one or two things that, like,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: did not rise to the level.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: But, you know, maybe he can.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: He could just be a podcaster. He could be a podcaster.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Great life.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: Again, maybe sometime, like, he may have this amazing personality
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: that we don't know about.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: Because we only know him to be an actor and, like,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: maybe an on and off cannibal.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: But, like, we don't know.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: We don't know yet. If he gives people a reason to, like,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: care for a different reason, then maybe there's a chance.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad that you came on Juicy Scoop
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: and just gave us your really unique and professional perspective
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: on these topics that just consume our conversations. So thank
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: you so much for coming, Ashley.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. It was so fun.
• 1:16:52
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