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The Woman at the Center of the Russia Hoax Speaks Out on Swalwell! · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: She said in front of Congress. She said in front
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Speaker 1: of Eric Swalwell. Well, he accused her of being a
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Speaker 1: Russian spy. She of course is Italian. She worked for
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Speaker 1: the EU, and Swalwell asked her with a straight face
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Speaker 1: if she'd ever dated an oligark. Meanwhile, this guy was
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Speaker 1: allegedly sleeping with a Chinese spy. Tonight, she's here and
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Speaker 1: she's got the receipts.
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Speaker 2: They were fabricating this insane Russia collusion hoax, which was
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Speaker 2: more than a hoax, was an operation to portray everyone
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Speaker 2: around Donald Trump at the time. George was foreign Polish
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Speaker 2: advisor for his campaign in twenty sixteen and was his
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Speaker 2: girlfriend nothing more than his girlfriend at the time. So
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Speaker 2: during that time they decided that anything against round Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump and anyone around his advisors had to be useful
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Speaker 2: to that narrative. So they decided that I am blonde,
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Speaker 2: had an accent, I worked in European Union, so what
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Speaker 2: a better fit to build up this spy unlikely story.
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Speaker 2: I had been grilled by the Congress, so more like
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Speaker 2: they wanted to know information I knew from Italy as well,
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Speaker 2: but at the same time trying to cast it as
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Speaker 2: if I was some sort of Russian operative now going
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Speaker 2: back to world well, which honestly is one that really
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Speaker 2: struck my attention at the time the most for the
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Speaker 2: stupidity of this question in Congress. I was subpoanut by Congress,
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Speaker 2: and I was received by all of them, basically starting
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Speaker 2: from Nancy Pelosi shift and of course all the you
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Speaker 2: know the name that you can remember you can recollect
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Speaker 2: at the time twenty eighteen, Sumner twenty eighteen, and I
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Speaker 2: was trying to build up this question is interrogatory, trying
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Speaker 2: to push me to admit some sort of collaboration with Russia.
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Speaker 2: But I think among the most stupid question it could
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Speaker 2: ever make. One was really ridiculous. It asked me if
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Speaker 2: I ever did which was so stupid.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What was the question? What did he say?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever dated an oligarch?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever dated an oligarch? And again, Simona, you
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Speaker 1: obviously are from Italy, you can prove you're from Italy.
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Speaker 1: Then making a tie to you being a Russian spy,
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Speaker 1: it was because you're blonde and because you have light eyes.
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Speaker 1: That's it. I mean, you don't sound Russian, you sound Italian.
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Speaker 1: So what was he trying to do me. He thought
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Speaker 1: that you were to say, yes, I've dated an oligarch
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Speaker 1: or did he just say that to get it on
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Speaker 1: the record to make it look like you somehow were
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Speaker 1: involved with Russia.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And you know the funny thing about that, it
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Speaker 2: was trying to fabric hate this narrative, the true unlikely questions.
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Speaker 2: Even though they received me with my documentation on my
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Speaker 2: passport and everything they need to know about me, right,
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Speaker 2: they have the means to know everything they had to
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Speaker 2: know about my origins and all my backgrounds. They asked
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Speaker 2: me very little about my real professional background at European
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Speaker 2: Union as an Italian lawyer blah blah blah. So he
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Speaker 2: was there in the same week that's important, interviewed me
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Speaker 2: the same week they interviewed the Maria Boutina the time
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Speaker 2: from Russia, so they were from Russia. They were trying
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Speaker 2: to mirror, you know, the same questions a little bit,
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Speaker 2: just to try to overlap the two cases that were
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Speaker 2: trying to make case to fabricate completely from zero. So
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Speaker 2: it's even more funny when I think about the desperate
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Speaker 2: try to feed this now completely debunked narrative completely when
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Speaker 2: you think about the timing This is the same timing.
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Speaker 2: We learned later on it was then in affairs with
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Speaker 2: the Chinese spy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, so.
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Speaker 3: It was chazing Russian spies. Well, actually it was played by.
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Speaker 1: One Yeah no, exactly right. It's a Samana maajn tea Papadopolis.
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Speaker 1: Go and follow her everywhere. Check out Global View. That's
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Speaker 1: the podcast she's doing with her husband, George. What what
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Speaker 1: blows my mind is that you're absolutely right. This is
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Speaker 1: a guy who allegedly was having an affair with a
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Speaker 1: Chinese spy, so much so that the intelligence agency said
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Speaker 1: he should not be on the Intelligence committee anymore because
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Speaker 1: you know, this guy was somebody who might be compromised.
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Speaker 1: This guy was sitting there saying, well, asking questions that
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Speaker 1: would lead people to believe that you're a Russian spy.
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Speaker 1: So let me ask you, in your heart of hearts,
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Speaker 1: knowing that he's a low life, always knowing he was
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Speaker 1: a low life before he found out about the recent stuff,
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Speaker 1: but knowing that he's a lowlife, do you think that
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Speaker 1: he really thought you were a Russian spy or was
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Speaker 1: that whole thing just to make it look like Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump was somehow connected to Russia and he knew the
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Speaker 1: whole time that you were not one.
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Speaker 3: Now he knew exactly the old time. I was not
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Speaker 3: a Russian spy.
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Speaker 2: They were trying simply to fabricate this narrative, a use
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Speaker 2: anything and anyone who could help build this narrative. So
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Speaker 2: they were completely reckless, totally disregard of.
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Speaker 3: Any law and any moral.
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Speaker 2: Decency because you don't play with people lives and reputation
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Speaker 2: like this people freedom and geoparty because you are trying
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Speaker 2: to get rid of Donald Trump and his advisors. So
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Speaker 2: that's that shows you the extent of the Democrat operates
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Speaker 2: in the United States and these people that right now,
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Speaker 2: for me, it's not it's just revealing who really is.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised, you know, he is the target of
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Speaker 2: these accusations. I'm not here to say if they're true
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Speaker 2: or not. All I know is that you shouldn't be
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Speaker 2: in Congress anymore, and let it happy. It's not running
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Speaker 2: for California finally, even as a governor. People like that
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Speaker 2: should be out of the game. I had this unfortunate chance,
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Speaker 2: let's say unfortunately unfortunate to misfortunate to meet him, and
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Speaker 2: you know, my impression of him was extremely poor. Because again,
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Speaker 2: not a genuine conversation, not a genuinely intent to know anything,
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Speaker 2: just in a desperate attempt to fabricate a scenario that
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Speaker 2: never existed.
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Speaker 1: The guy is in absolute low life, and I'm glad
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Speaker 1: that this is all coming out about who he really is.
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Speaker 1: We all sort of figured that he was not a
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Speaker 1: good guy, but now, I mean, with this coming out,
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Speaker 1: it actually that it's someone mugginta papadopolis. Let me ask
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Speaker 1: you one more thing about the Russia collusion thing, because
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Speaker 1: it is all coming to a head. We're hearing Harmey
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Speaker 1: Dylan talk about how we're going to get to the
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Speaker 1: bottom of it. We know, I know the guy Todd
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Speaker 1: blanche is the acting Attorney General. I think he's a
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Speaker 1: good guy. Head a long talk with him at Sea Pack,
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Speaker 1: and I think that they're going to do something about it.
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Speaker 1: Do you and George feel as though you're very close
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Speaker 1: to being completely vindicated? Legally you are vindicated, legally, George
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Speaker 1: is vindicated, But in the narrative, in the public square,
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Speaker 1: there are people who still think that you guys are
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Speaker 1: bad guys. Do you think that at the end of
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Speaker 1: the day, somebody will pay the price and your good
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Speaker 1: name will be restored.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm confident at Cash Patel and the President Trump
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Speaker 2: are going to fight until the bottom of it and
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Speaker 2: they will expose and they need it accountability. I know
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Speaker 2: many people doubted about it because of the necessary timing.
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Speaker 2: I still believe that they will deliver. And you know,
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Speaker 2: just recently President Trump appointed another fighter, Jody Genova, too,
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Speaker 2: a good guy collaborate with the O G you on
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Speaker 2: the Brennan case. So I see a concrete action from
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Speaker 2: this administration to deliver accountability. But there is so much
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Speaker 2: on the table that people just got distracted with what
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Speaker 2: I believe being one of the first targets of this administration,
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Speaker 2: which is restore accountability, mostly against those who not only
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Speaker 2: try to prevent President Trump to be elected, but also
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Speaker 2: try to delegitimize his entire presidency through this bunch of lives.
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Speaker 2: And these people have to go to jail. It is
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Speaker 2: indicated when this will happen.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, I'm with you, and I think that it
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Speaker 1: should absolutely happen without a doubt, one hundred percent and absolutely.
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Speaker 1: You know what blows my mind is that this is
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Speaker 1: sort of a when it comes back to Swallowell because
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Speaker 1: again I hope that you're right, we're going to get
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Speaker 1: absolute vindication on the other stuff. But when it comes
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Speaker 1: to Swall, well, it seems to me that you can't
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Speaker 1: really hide that you're a bad guy like that. So
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Speaker 1: you and George spend a lot of time in California.
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Speaker 1: Was there ever any narrative, any sort of rumbling that
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Speaker 1: that this guy was a no good guy, like no
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Speaker 1: good to the point that he was possibly doing bad
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Speaker 1: things to women. Was that a known secret out there
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Speaker 1: or no?
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Speaker 2: Well, what he was known and what is known we
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Speaker 2: are actually right we're residential California, is that it was
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Speaker 2: barely hann It's a state.
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Speaker 3: It was barely in California.
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Speaker 2: Chasing women somewhere else, and probably his wife is there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it is not a good look.
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Speaker 2: I never saw him particularly active on his own state.
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Speaker 2: About those rumors, I believe those are mostly belongs to
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Speaker 2: the activity in Congress and Washington and everything we've seen
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Speaker 2: him doing. And obviously it's really consistent with his character.
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Speaker 2: I'm not really surprised that someone who has no morals
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Speaker 2: as no morals in any direction.
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Speaker 1: It is a simon, a manchety papa up, Let's go
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Speaker 1: and follow her everywhere. She's an amazing follow and again,
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Speaker 1: lawyer speaks five languages, political activist, interviewer, somebody who's a model,
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Speaker 1: somebody owns a clothing company. You're doing. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how you have enough time in the day to do
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Speaker 1: all that, but it's all very, very impressive. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about California politics specifically. There is an undertone in this
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Speaker 1: entire thing, Simona, and I wonder what you think, because
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Speaker 1: your opinion is very important to me. That Swalwell was
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Speaker 1: leading the Democrats and that was a bad thing because
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Speaker 1: with Swallwell leading the Democrats, the way California's elections are
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Speaker 1: done for governor, you could have had two Republicans the
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Speaker 1: top two vote getters, and then there would not have
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Speaker 1: been a Democrat governor. So you could have had Steve Hilton,
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Speaker 1: this guy Bianco, they could have been the top two.
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Speaker 1: Swalwell would have been the top Democrat, but he would
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Speaker 1: not have gotten into the top two, so Democrat can't win.
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Speaker 1: So let me ask you the question directly, do you
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Speaker 1: think the Democrat machinery told on Swallwell and got rid
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Speaker 1: of him out of the race because they knew that
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Speaker 1: he was going to ruin it for them.
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Speaker 2: It could be obviously a realistic option because at this point,
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Speaker 2: I know even California is wreaking up. This sentiment that
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Speaker 2: they are completely on the left side is starting to shift.
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Speaker 2: I see more and more Republicans in California, more and
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Speaker 2: more people that just want to live in a fight
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Speaker 2: for common sense. And that's why I believe there's a
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Speaker 2: shot for a Republican. I believe both Chad Bianco and
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Speaker 2: Hilton and Greek candidates. And I think, no matter what
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Speaker 2: I try to do right now, with you know, taking
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Speaker 2: him off the picture, there is no eternative anyway, There's
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Speaker 2: no credible Alternatyve anyway. I'm thinking to resurrect at some
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Speaker 2: point Kamala Harris. Who's worse? You know, it's just like
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Speaker 2: one worse than another.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I would know if you asked me
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Speaker 1: which one was worse, I wouldn't know. At this point.
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Speaker 1: I guess Swalwell's worse because he's alleged to have done
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Speaker 1: really bad things. But she seems like she's drunk half
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Speaker 1: the time. And now she's out there on the speaking
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Speaker 1: tour again. Simona, I got to ask you because again
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Speaker 1: you and Georgia closer to this, and I am I
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Speaker 1: don't live out there. Does Kamala Harris really have any
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Speaker 1: sort of a ground swell that thinks she can win?
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Speaker 1: She spent two billion dollars in twenty twenty four and lost.
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Speaker 1: If you give me two billion dollars, Simona, give me
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Speaker 1: two billion and tell me to do anything, I'll do it.
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Speaker 1: I don't care what it is, It'll get done. I
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Speaker 1: will succeed at it. She lost spending two billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: Are they really gonna choose her again?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: But I want to share with you and your audience
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Speaker 2: is a funny story. I wasn't like a social setting
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Speaker 2: and a girl came to me and she didn't even
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Speaker 2: know who it was, and she was talking about politics
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Speaker 2: in general. And she told me, I voted for Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris because you know, I'm illegal here, and I wrote
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Speaker 2: a letter and then she gave me citizenship. But what what,
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Speaker 2: how I'm not looking she was here for how that happened?
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Speaker 2: I made some circumstances, so she can't grant me the
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Speaker 2: right to be here. And as she told me, you know,
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Speaker 2: it was the time that she was looking for votes,
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Speaker 2: she started to give away all the citizenship of all
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Speaker 2: the legality in California. And it was funny because she
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Speaker 2: didn't really realize she was talking to and me. I
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Speaker 2: was like, all right, that's that's funny, but not surprised again.
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Speaker 2: So you think it's a good thing, having given a
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Speaker 2: citizenship over opaque exactly, that's how they win election. There's
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Speaker 2: basically let's say we're elaction in this way.
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Speaker 1: Well that's the policy. You're you're a sanctuary state. People
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Speaker 1: there who are here illegally can get an ID and
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Speaker 1: go and drive. I mean they're getting CDLs and killing
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Speaker 1: people on highways all over the country. So yeah, those
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Speaker 1: who are here illegally absolutely will want to Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get the Save America Act done. We won't
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Speaker 1: have to worry about that because only citizens can vote it.
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Speaker 1: Samona Manjiantep, Papadopolis, go and follow her everywhere on Instagram
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Speaker 1: at Simona Underscore, man Giante Underscore and over on. Actually's
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Speaker 1: easy to find as well. Let me finish with this
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Speaker 1: whole election cycle thing and what's going to happen in
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Speaker 1: California with this? Do you think a Republican is going
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Speaker 1: to take the California Governor's office and if so, what
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Speaker 1: big a difference would that make.
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Speaker 2: Well, I maybe you know I'm a partisan here. Really
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Speaker 2: I'm working on it. I'm trying to make this happen,
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Speaker 2: and I hope it will happen, and you know, participate.
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Speaker 2: It's a too many Republican events in California, and I
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Speaker 2: see amazing candidates from the governor to the attorney general.
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Speaker 2: We have Michael Gates too over there, so we have
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Speaker 2: incredible people ready to.
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Speaker 3: Take over California.
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Speaker 2: These will make a tremendous change because California, for me,
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Speaker 2: is one of the best states in the United States
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Speaker 2: in terms of potential, in terms of beauty, in terms
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Speaker 2: of resources, and also you know, economy. It's the California
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Speaker 2: economy is one of the most flourishing then in the world,
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Speaker 2: I mean not simply in you as you states in America.
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Speaker 2: So having a Republican management will make a bit what
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Speaker 2: exactly it is meant to be and bring back the
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Speaker 2: American dream.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: We watch all these movies this, you know, California Dream,
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Speaker 2: and because it kinds of summarized what really America is
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Speaker 2: about in many ways, even the perception abroad, and so
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Speaker 2: I really think it needs a shift to the rights.
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Speaker 1: Are California is ready to vote for a Republican though?
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Speaker 1: Are they at the point now They've seen enough squandering
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Speaker 1: of the money. We've seen a bad budget, We've seen
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Speaker 1: twenty three billion dollars spent on homelessness and it's just
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Speaker 1: gotten worse. Are they done with the Democrat way? Will
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Speaker 1: they hold their noses and vote Republican?
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Speaker 2: Well, there's something happening very soon which makes me hope California.
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles is going to host hosted the Olympics, right
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Speaker 2: and the World Cup only based on that they need
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Speaker 2: a cleanup now. One thing is Los Angeles. One thing
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Speaker 2: is California. Of course we're talking about a huge state.
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Speaker 2: But I think that's a homelessness and all this degree
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Speaker 2: that democratic governance has brought to California.
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Speaker 3: Is going to as met.
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Speaker 2: So many people are happy, even like the most brainwashed
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Speaker 2: people at the end of the day, care about the economy,
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Speaker 2: care about the safety. And you know, there is only
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Speaker 2: as much as you can invest in propaganda, and at
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Speaker 2: some point you have to think about what really matters.
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Speaker 2: So if they don't wake up now, which have an opportunity,
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Speaker 2: are absolutely great candidates, and that most of them Honestly,
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Speaker 2: I really think it's a lost chance, but I think
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Speaker 2: they can make it.
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Speaker 3: I really think they can.
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Speaker 1: I agree Samona man Janitry Papadopolis, go and follow hoever
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Speaker 1: you're good. Check out global View, a podcast she does
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Speaker 1: with George over on YouTube. Let me ask you about
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Speaker 1: about it. Run And as we're speaking, you saw me
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Speaker 1: looking off to the side because and watching the news
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Speaker 1: coming in. President Trump has extended the ceasefire with Iran,
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Speaker 1: so I guess the negotiations hopefully are getting to a
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Speaker 1: place that he likes. Just give me the overview. You
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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in Europe. You're from Italy.
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Speaker 1: You and George go there all the time. You used
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Speaker 1: to work with the EU. NATO is basically US protecting
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Speaker 1: Europe and NATO. I would think anytime we want help
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Speaker 1: should step up and help. But the NATO countries decided
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Speaker 1: to say, nope, you're on your own. We're not going
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Speaker 1: to help. France said, nope, we're not going to help.
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Speaker 1: Great Britain said nope, not going to help. In fact,
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Speaker 1: Spain said, you can't even use your base that's here
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Speaker 1: in our country protecting us to go and help out
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Speaker 1: with what's going on in Iran. So give me your
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Speaker 1: overview as somebody who knows that way better than I
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Speaker 1: could ever know that. Why would NATO dare say no
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Speaker 1: to the protector of them?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the shifted away from what the role
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Speaker 2: really is and what it means. In particular, there are
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Speaker 2: some governments, including my Italian government, which right now are
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Speaker 2: reason in an opportunistic way. Why I say that it's
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Speaker 2: not really about supporting the United States, it's about supporting
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Speaker 2: their election and they are trying to please their electorate.
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Speaker 2: In Italy we had a major referendum where government Maloney
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Speaker 2: failed and she felt, in my opinion, that shifting away
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Speaker 2: from Donald Trump, despite she portrayed herself as a populist
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Speaker 2: and everything is, would benefit her to election coming in Italy,
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Speaker 2: which is only next year. So I think there's an
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Speaker 2: opportunistic political reason behind these choices, and it's very sad
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Speaker 2: to see that it's very short sighted because you can't
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Speaker 2: lose an Alilah America who had our back all the time.
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Speaker 2: That it's just like the big you know, it's a
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Speaker 2: big mother father taking care of us over there in
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Speaker 2: Europe in many ways, So trying to show a little
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Speaker 2: bit of strength saying no, you can't use my base
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Speaker 2: so you can do that, or shifting away from the
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Speaker 2: policies that the Western world should embrace as a whole,
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Speaker 2: you know, mostly amonga lies.
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Speaker 3: It was a very weak move.
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Speaker 2: And that make it understand that these governments these countries
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Speaker 2: don't really understand anything about geopolitics in reality.
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Speaker 1: It blows my mind because, well, first of all, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad that we're friends because you've been right about Maloney.
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Speaker 1: You and I talked about Maloney years ago, and what
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Speaker 1: you told me was I want to like her, but
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Speaker 1: I want her to do what she says she's going
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Speaker 1: to do. And you and I talked about Lampadusa when
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Speaker 1: you had all these people coming from Northern Africa. She
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Speaker 1: said she was going to sink all the boats. She
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Speaker 1: never did. You had seven thousand people a day coming
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Speaker 1: to that small island in Italy, and then they just
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Speaker 1: showed up in Milan, and they just showed up and
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Speaker 1: started to change the culture. It seems to me that Maloney,
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Speaker 1: you've been right about this from the very beginning. Simon it.
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Speaker 1: Maloney is somebody who really says what she thinks people
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Speaker 1: want to hear. But then she doesn't have the backbone
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Speaker 1: to do it, or she didn't believe it to begin with,
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Speaker 1: which one is it? Did she believe it when she
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Speaker 1: said it, or did she say just to get elected.
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Speaker 2: I well, let me take a step back and tell
18:05
Speaker 2: you why. Always my position has been that, to me,
18:09
Speaker 2: a great leader, and a leader, let's say, someone who
18:12
Speaker 2: does what he has must be done and says what
18:15
Speaker 2: must be said, even when it's not convenient.
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Speaker 3: So when I saw.
18:20
Speaker 2: That, you know, when Trump was going to hell and
18:23
Speaker 2: Bennon was going through hell and she was allegedly already
18:26
Speaker 2: friend with them from you know before, and she was
18:28
Speaker 2: in power, and she didn't say a word, but then
18:31
Speaker 2: she acted as trump best friend as soon as he
18:34
Speaker 2: got elected. I knew that this was a political move
18:39
Speaker 2: and that she was saying what she said, probably because
18:44
Speaker 2: it was the right thing to do. Now, I don't
18:46
Speaker 2: know either or not she believed in it or she
18:50
Speaker 2: was just doing it to please some forces. All I
18:53
Speaker 2: know is that to me, a leader like Trump's fearless.
18:58
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if people hate him or love them.
19:00
Speaker 2: I always follow his line, you know, And that's something
19:03
Speaker 2: that's really at the end of the day, I respect
19:06
Speaker 2: no matter what I can disagree with some things, I
19:08
Speaker 2: can agree with others, but I don't feel like it's
19:11
Speaker 2: there to please anybody.
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Speaker 1: Is what is her background? Was she a business person?
19:15
Speaker 1: Was she a political person? Where did she come from?
19:17
Speaker 1: What is her background?
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Speaker 2: Well? She actually I admire her because she doesn't really
19:24
Speaker 2: have a strong background. She's like someone who you know
19:28
Speaker 2: from the really she built herself up with political activism,
19:32
Speaker 2: but she has I think attended the school for tourism
19:37
Speaker 2: and she learned some languages, but she never was a
19:39
Speaker 2: businessman or anything else. She was really a hardcore political
19:44
Speaker 2: animal right and she did great because you know, I
19:47
Speaker 2: command her for what she the position she got to achieve.
19:50
Speaker 2: So I'm not shaming her or not for what she
19:54
Speaker 2: was befo or not. I just say, like, she's great,
19:56
Speaker 2: so good for her. But I was expecting from a fighter,
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Speaker 2: someone who has this you know, fighter experience and knows
20:03
Speaker 2: what really matters to actually being coherent with her policies.
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Speaker 3: And I still hope she will, but you know, time is.
20:09
Speaker 2: Running and we have an election soon in Italy, so
20:13
Speaker 2: Italian's are really not happy with that, and the fact
20:16
Speaker 2: that she shifted away right now from Donald Trump and
20:19
Speaker 2: from you know, even like now she's stalking with Macron again,
20:22
Speaker 2: so it's kind of.
20:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to talk about that too. It's someone
20:27
Speaker 1: of mind. Gianety Papa Dopples always appreciate someone of making
20:29
Speaker 1: some time when it comes to NATO. I want to
20:31
Speaker 1: finish with NATO this way. I just saw Kiras Starmer
20:33
Speaker 1: from the UK talking alongside Macron or someone say Macron.
20:39
Speaker 1: He's standing next to Macron right, and they're talking about
20:41
Speaker 1: how they're going to get involved now in the strait
20:43
Speaker 1: of her moves and how they're going to have a
20:44
Speaker 1: presence there. They're going to send this and that over there.
20:46
Speaker 1: And Trump's response was, no, it's too late. You didn't
20:49
Speaker 1: help us when we wanted help. Now they want to
20:51
Speaker 1: sort of piggyback on a piece deal that's going to
20:53
Speaker 1: be made. So what do you think about that? Is
20:55
Speaker 1: there's always the week need response from the UK and
20:59
Speaker 1: buy the EU and every everybody else in NATO that okay,
21:02
Speaker 1: now that it's over and we can't be harmed in this,
21:04
Speaker 1: and we didn't really have to take a side. Now
21:06
Speaker 1: that we know who's gonna win, we'll take a side. Now.
21:09
Speaker 1: This just sounds like Italy in World War Two that
21:11
Speaker 1: switch sides once they realize that it wasn't going the
21:13
Speaker 1: right way. What do you think about NATO doing that
21:15
Speaker 1: last week?
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what you described that they want to when
21:19
Speaker 2: you see that our close to a solution, they want
21:21
Speaker 2: to get the participate to the merit of that, but
21:24
Speaker 2: they even participate to achieve the goal.
21:27
Speaker 3: So honestly, it's very poor.
21:29
Speaker 2: Look and yeah, you're right, it's exactly Italy in the
21:33
Speaker 2: Second World War. That's why they call it the Balzer
21:37
Speaker 2: policies like right, turn and twist with the winner.
21:41
Speaker 1: But I think Trump is right right, I mean, Trump
21:43
Speaker 1: is saying, no, we don't want you now, you're not
21:45
Speaker 1: going to come in and gain all the benefit from
21:47
Speaker 1: the work that we did. And I wonder when you
21:48
Speaker 1: think about this guy Ruta, this guy who's the leader
21:51
Speaker 1: of NATO. Is this guy because what he's with Trump,
21:53
Speaker 1: He calls him Daddy, and he loves Trump and he
21:56
Speaker 1: loves the United States and we should all pay more
21:58
Speaker 1: money from our GDP for NATO. But then as the
22:01
Speaker 1: leader of NATO, he's he's overseeing people like Starmer and
22:04
Speaker 1: Macrone doing stupid things. What do you think this guy RUTA.
22:08
Speaker 2: As an opportunist and the long run a loser because
22:12
Speaker 2: you know, you don't win anything playing this game, and
22:15
Speaker 2: just over there to much talk, no action, trying to
22:19
Speaker 2: jump on anything they can, and it's really, honestly, really
22:24
Speaker 2: bad bad look, extremely bad look.
22:26
Speaker 3: I think it's just like they're not real leader.
22:28
Speaker 2: They're not They're not capable to make choices that benefits
22:32
Speaker 2: any country NATO, and they don't understand the role of
22:34
Speaker 2: NATO either.
22:35
Speaker 1: Do you do you know what Spain's problem is? Do
22:38
Speaker 1: you have any sort of a finger on the pulse
22:40
Speaker 1: of what's going on with Spain? Why would they say
22:42
Speaker 1: we can't use our basis the basis that are there
22:45
Speaker 1: that are literally keeping Spain safe. And Spain also said
22:48
Speaker 1: they're not going to increase their money to NATO. I
22:50
Speaker 1: think Trump wants five percent GDP, they're not going to
22:52
Speaker 1: go above two? Why is that? What is Spain's problem?
22:55
Speaker 1: Do you know?
22:57
Speaker 2: All the problem is collectively embracing the EU right now trend.
23:03
Speaker 2: They don't They're not a unity for anything right now.
23:06
Speaker 3: Just stop.
23:07
Speaker 2: They copy the followers. So Spain in this moment is
23:10
Speaker 2: acting like the followers. And I think whoever is in
23:13
Speaker 2: power doesn't understand anything. They're probably following what husulav on
23:16
Speaker 2: the Lions say on the side, like say on the
23:18
Speaker 2: other side, Georgia Meloney, So they try to be compact.
23:21
Speaker 3: In you know, in this losing game.
23:22
Speaker 2: Europe is in a very bad position, to be honest,
23:24
Speaker 2: right now, it's extremely bad position, Like they don't understand
23:28
Speaker 2: that Iran is holding the world economy hostage, and they
23:32
Speaker 2: are the ones who are basically going to suffer the
23:35
Speaker 2: consequences more as they already suffering the consequences more. We're
23:39
Speaker 2: not energy independents, so were to rely either in Russia
23:43
Speaker 2: or in the Middle East, and we were failed both ways.
23:46
Speaker 2: So it's it's I don't know what's going to happen
23:49
Speaker 2: economy in Europe, but it's not America, and now we
23:52
Speaker 2: are Jeopard does in a relationship in the United States
23:54
Speaker 2: as well in many ways. Don't Trump it clear you're
23:57
Speaker 2: not helping me. I'm not gonna help you.
23:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has every right to say that. It's someonea
24:01
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24:04
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24:10
Speaker 1: podcast she does with George, her husband. Let's talk about
24:13
Speaker 1: something you mentioned to me right before we start, and
24:16
Speaker 1: I had no idea this was going on. You're telling
24:18
Speaker 1: me that Maloney and macrant that they for some reason
24:23
Speaker 1: are now talking about possibly doing something against Russia, because look,
24:28
Speaker 1: Russia shouldn't be in Ukraine. You and I agree to
24:31
Speaker 1: that that should be figured out, that should be over.
24:33
Speaker 1: But Russia is not attacking the NATO country. Russia has
24:36
Speaker 1: not said We're going to attack Poland next, or France
24:39
Speaker 1: or Italy. So why are McCrone and maloney acting as
24:43
Speaker 1: if Russia might just attack Europe so we should probably
24:47
Speaker 1: attack them first. I had not heard that before.
24:49
Speaker 2: Fill me in, Well, that's really actually one of the
24:53
Speaker 2: biggest news right now in Europe and Italy. She recently
24:57
Speaker 2: wants to Ladis in Paris, Sandos. They had this conversation.
25:01
Speaker 2: They're trying to bond together against Russia, saying if necessary,
25:05
Speaker 2: they will think about an intervention against Russia because Russia
25:10
Speaker 2: is a potential threat. Trying to bind into this unlikely
25:13
Speaker 2: narrative that Russia would like to expand and is not
25:16
Speaker 2: doing what they expected to do when it comes to Ukraine.
25:20
Speaker 2: Now there are negotiation talks in the United States, and
25:25
Speaker 2: you know they are very they come from a place
25:27
Speaker 2: of diplomacy. I recently met with the congress Woman Luna
25:31
Speaker 2: who also hosted the Russian delegation in Washington, showing that,
25:34
Speaker 2: you know, leading through diplomacy is advancing peace talks. So
25:38
Speaker 2: having these two leaders into European country trying to bond
25:42
Speaker 2: against Russia again because they want to, you know, some
25:46
Speaker 2: sort of put their own pressure on a pattern whold
25:49
Speaker 2: peace negotiated a lad by the United States shows you
25:53
Speaker 2: again how reckless they have become, and it's insane. That's
25:57
Speaker 2: the same alone that hated Macrons, so now she's really
26:01
Speaker 2: all smile and kisses again. Just just shows you that
26:05
Speaker 2: it's inconsistent behavior and doesn't matter it's policy inconsistent.
26:10
Speaker 1: The Article five of NATO basically says if you attack
26:14
Speaker 1: a NATO country, you're attacking all of the NATO countries.
26:17
Speaker 1: So if Russia were to attack Poland, it would be
26:19
Speaker 1: like attacking the United States. They're not going to do that. Now.
26:22
Speaker 1: I don't like Putin. I think that Putin certainly is
26:25
Speaker 1: somebody that won't tell the truth if he can get
26:27
Speaker 1: away with what he's trying to do. I don't like
26:29
Speaker 1: that he rolled into Ukraine, but I'm not sure that
26:31
Speaker 1: we understand the true reasons yet. But I also know this,
26:35
Speaker 1: he's not stupid. That would be existential for Russia. If
26:37
Speaker 1: they attack NATO, it would be over for Russia. They
26:40
Speaker 1: cannot beat US, they cannot beat all the NATO countries together.
26:43
Speaker 1: There really is no threat that I can see now.
26:45
Speaker 1: The answer that you get is Russia is trying to
26:48
Speaker 1: reform the Soviet Union. That's what Lindsay Graham will say.
26:52
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what some people in Europe will say. I
26:55
Speaker 1: don't see that, and I'm not supporting Putin. You aren't either,
26:58
Speaker 1: But is there any indication when you're in Europe or
27:01
Speaker 1: when you're back here in the States that would tell you, Simona,
27:04
Speaker 1: that Russia wants to invade Europe.
27:07
Speaker 3: I don't see it, absolutely not.
27:10
Speaker 2: There is no indication, no reason whatsoever to think something
27:13
Speaker 2: that crazy Russia and put It made it clear what
27:17
Speaker 2: is the territory of interests and why none of the
27:21
Speaker 2: European territory, including poll and on any natal member states
27:25
Speaker 2: any interest for Russia and actually European Union only a
27:29
Speaker 2: few months ago, we're begging again for Russian oil because
27:32
Speaker 2: our prices are skyrocketing.
27:34
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
27:35
Speaker 2: There is such a confusing messaging, and some people listen
27:41
Speaker 2: to propaganda and they start to believe it.
27:43
Speaker 3: But trust me, there is absolutely.
27:45
Speaker 2: Nothing in Europe that lead or my lead people to
27:49
Speaker 2: believe that Russia is a threat.
27:50
Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous.
27:51
Speaker 2: And so even you know, having the leaders holding these
27:56
Speaker 2: meetings for discussing these positions is honestly that that is ingenious.
28:02
Speaker 1: It's like they won a NATO war with Russia. It's
28:04
Speaker 1: very strange. Remember Zelensky pretended like there was a Russian
28:08
Speaker 1: bomb or missile that exploded in Poland. It turned out
28:11
Speaker 1: it was a Ukrainian missile that exploded in Poland. So
28:14
Speaker 1: I mean they've been trying to get them to go
28:16
Speaker 1: to a world war ever since Russia rolled into Ukraine.
28:19
Speaker 1: So let me finish with this, because you know more
28:21
Speaker 1: than anybody else I know, and I mean this, when
28:23
Speaker 1: it comes to Ukraine in Russia, how does this thing end? Simona?
28:27
Speaker 1: It's too long now, it's like four years now, it's
28:29
Speaker 1: got to end. How do we see a conclusion to
28:31
Speaker 1: this war?
28:33
Speaker 2: I think this should have reasonably divide Ukraine into Eastern
28:36
Speaker 2: Ukraine and Western Ukraine and the part of Ukraine that
28:38
Speaker 2: want to be a feel and be annext to Europe
28:43
Speaker 2: to stay with Europe, but all the other part Crimea
28:45
Speaker 2: that also voted for annexation to Russia a long time ago.
28:49
Speaker 2: I think this should just take over this and the
28:52
Speaker 2: negotiations on you know, we're all read actually the negotiation
28:56
Speaker 2: point that the Trump administration presented two weeks of in
29:01
Speaker 2: Russia a long time ago, and I think this was
29:02
Speaker 2: the most reasonable reasonable peace agreement because it's it's also
29:06
Speaker 2: aligning you to say, to have some sort of supervision
29:09
Speaker 2: over the implementation of disagreement and being a guarantor of
29:12
Speaker 2: the piece in this geographical area. So I think we're
29:15
Speaker 2: doing a great job. Donald Trump is doing a great
29:18
Speaker 2: job trying to achieve peace over there through of course
29:20
Speaker 2: his administration, and which I think the piece will look
29:23
Speaker 2: like exactly what these piece points have been, I mean,
29:28
Speaker 2: you know, drafted by Trump administration displayed, so it's you're
29:33
Speaker 2: going to see something that at this point there is
29:36
Speaker 2: no Zelenski coming over and keep asking for money to
29:39
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. This guy has absolutely you
29:43
Speaker 2: know I'm you know, I'm not politically correct, but I
29:45
Speaker 2: always thought it's a clown and it's really corrupt.
29:48
Speaker 3: So I'm not being partisan here.
29:49
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make, you know, to be objective
29:53
Speaker 2: as much as I can, because you know, I've seen
29:54
Speaker 2: too much corruptions decreate in to really say anything nice
29:58
Speaker 2: about them.
29:58
Speaker 3: But it should be at some point.
30:01
Speaker 2: So if fair Handton is for putting never attack, never
30:05
Speaker 2: trodent attack an inn atal member, and you know this
30:09
Speaker 2: is pretty open to include and to their negotiation talks
30:14
Speaker 2: most of the United States, so I think we should
30:16
Speaker 2: follow that lead. And the European Union countries instigating more antagonism,
30:24
Speaker 2: it's just pointless.
30:26
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't make any sense to me. What's interesting
30:28
Speaker 1: is Crimea was taken by Russia in twenty fourteen under Obama,
30:32
Speaker 1: so that already happened. The parts that we're talking about
30:35
Speaker 1: now are ethnically Russian, and if they voted to be
30:38
Speaker 1: part of Russia, and listen, you can talk because people
30:41
Speaker 1: watching listening are thinking, oh, Ukraine is its own country
30:44
Speaker 1: and Russia doesn't get to just take it. Ukraine has
30:46
Speaker 1: changed hands a billion times in the past five hundred years.
30:50
Speaker 1: Everybody wants Ukraine because of the ports, because of its location.
30:54
Speaker 1: It was part of Russia, it was part of the
30:55
Speaker 1: Soviet Union. That it wasn't that it was. They've got
30:58
Speaker 1: to figure out what is what sort of a piece
31:00
Speaker 1: deal has to be. You can't have any more of Vladimir.
31:03
Speaker 1: You got to stop now. And Zelenski probably shouldn't be
31:05
Speaker 1: the president. Let's have a free and fair election and
31:07
Speaker 1: get that corrupt guy out of office. Do you agree
31:09
Speaker 1: with what I just said.
31:12
Speaker 3: An issue word of it?
31:13
Speaker 1: You could.
31:14
Speaker 3: I couldn't say it better, thank you.
31:17
Speaker 1: I mean. And at the end of the day, we
31:18
Speaker 1: want this to be over. And honestly, this has gone
31:22
Speaker 1: way too long. What I do like about what Trump did,
31:23
Speaker 1: and I think you agree with this as well. I'm
31:25
Speaker 1: not putting words in your mouth, but when Trump said
31:28
Speaker 1: you can have more weaponry, but you have to buy
31:30
Speaker 1: it from NATO has to buy it from US, and
31:31
Speaker 1: then NATO can give it to you, that was ingenious
31:34
Speaker 1: because we stopped sending one hundred billion dollars a year
31:36
Speaker 1: over there.
31:38
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, and that's also this big issue of
31:42
Speaker 2: our tax moneies during the United States that are there
31:45
Speaker 2: to fool wars and their pockets because also not only
31:49
Speaker 2: we have investigation for misappropriational funds, they're also investigations for
31:53
Speaker 2: traffic of weapons arms. You know, all these weapons that
31:56
Speaker 2: have been given to these people, they're selling in the
31:58
Speaker 2: black markets. One is a huge business and that's the
32:03
Speaker 2: problem people. And the only one that really can understand
32:07
Speaker 2: and can help is not Trump, because not Trump is
32:10
Speaker 2: the It's like it's a business deal. It's like a businessman.
32:13
Speaker 2: It treats even more as a deal, and that people
32:15
Speaker 2: don't understand. It's not about all independents of Ukraine blah
32:18
Speaker 2: blah blah. There's so much behind and it's it's really
32:22
Speaker 2: about putting a hand in a sustainable and long lasting way.
32:26
Speaker 2: And I think the approach of this government is the best. Unfortunately,
32:30
Speaker 2: we're being governed by by them for too many you know,
32:33
Speaker 2: the past of the.
32:35
Speaker 3: Term, and this has caused all these issues.
32:38
Speaker 2: Not to mention about Obama and when it was that's
32:41
Speaker 2: the president and Obama that's where he created the master
32:44
Speaker 2: in Ukraine exactly the back then all these dealings, you know,
32:49
Speaker 2: fake alliance is done based on a corruption, a lot
32:53
Speaker 2: of corruption. So it's a I think it's really it's
32:56
Speaker 2: it comes a time to reach a peace agreement. Butly
32:59
Speaker 2: we can't solution of things overnight, and things have gone
33:03
Speaker 2: so far, people have died, so obviously we can't expect
33:07
Speaker 2: even today it's got Donald Trump is a power. Not
33:09
Speaker 2: it's going to be over in two weeks. Not there
33:10
Speaker 2: was not possible. So I really think the progress that
33:14
Speaker 2: has been made are amazing.
33:16
Speaker 1: Now I agree with you. It's a Samono mound Jameja
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33:23
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