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Navigating the cap & adding Calvin Ridley | Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, February 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to James Drivetime with John Osier Herson and Brian
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  Speaker 1: sexty sixty Jangs Drivetime. It starts right now. Good morning,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to Jags Drive Time. The first of the
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  Speaker 1: out of season. It's been off of about a month
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  Speaker 1: and we're just getting cranked back up here as we
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  Speaker 1: approached the start of the new league year, free agency,
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  Speaker 1: the draft and everything that is the off season. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sexton along with John Ozier and John. It's been
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  Speaker 1: relatively quiet and before we jump into big things, it'll
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  Speaker 1: probably stay relatively quiet. Yeah, I expect it will stay
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  Speaker 1: quiet until well next week's combine and then as you
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  Speaker 1: start approaching in March fifteenth of the league year, this
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  Speaker 1: is probably the last super quiet Drive Time and then
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  Speaker 1: as you approached mark fifteenth, which is free agency, you
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  Speaker 1: will start hearing things ramp up and then away we go.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into big things this morning. It
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  Speaker 1: will start with R and R and that's Calvin Ridley
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  Speaker 1: and reinstatement. Last week Wednesday, the fifteenth of February, was
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  Speaker 1: the first day that he could apply for reinstatement. There's
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  Speaker 1: no set date for what the announcement will be made
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  Speaker 1: but all Jaguar's eyes are focused on the acquisition the
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  Speaker 1: general manager Trent Bulky made at the trade deadline last fall.
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  Speaker 1: We've been waiting to see when this might happen. Then
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  Speaker 1: the obvious will be asked next week at the combine,
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  Speaker 1: when and what can you expect to get from Calvin Ridley.
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  Speaker 1: The Combine will give us those answers. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the show will emanate with John and J P. Shadrick
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  Speaker 1: from the Combine on Wednesday when Doug Peterson and Trent
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  Speaker 1: Bulky are speaking. Next week. Big thing too, and this
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  Speaker 1: is a big one for the Jaguars, and that is
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  Speaker 1: restructure contracts in the salary cap. Now take center stage.
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  Speaker 1: It's the nerd time, the egghead time, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: of the football season. Then that's when numbers are crunched
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  Speaker 1: and contracts are valued and decisions have to be made.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll go over that in just a few moments.
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  Speaker 1: There are some decisions the Jaguars can make. We'll give
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  Speaker 1: you a couple of theoretical right now today. As it stands,
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  Speaker 1: according to spot track, which is one of several contract
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  Speaker 1: websites out there, the track NFL team web Team Salary Caps,
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars are roughly thirty two million dollars over and
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  Speaker 1: all numbers that we share with you here today are
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  Speaker 1: rough estimations. And finally, big thing three, This is a
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  Speaker 1: really big one, and that is when the Jaguars restocked
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  Speaker 1: the roster. They're not going to do it in March
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  Speaker 1: like they've done in years passed around here through free agency.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be the NFL Draft in April. And you can
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  Speaker 1: be sure that's where trend Bulky and the college scouting
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  Speaker 1: staff are really focused on using the draft. He said
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  Speaker 1: it in his post season Draft dat Draft postseason news
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  Speaker 1: comp Prince that this was going to be an important
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  Speaker 1: transition for the franchise from one that uses free agency
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  Speaker 1: to one that uses the draft. And those are big ideas,
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  Speaker 1: big things, big topics as we work through the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: and the start of the new league year. And let's
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  Speaker 1: go right to the restructuring side of a john, which
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  Speaker 1: is the interesting part. Because the Jaguars are over the cap.
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  Speaker 1: They've got to get by the fifteenth, by four o'clock
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  Speaker 1: on the fifteenth, they've got to get under the salary cap.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have to get a far piece under it, right,
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  Speaker 1: but they've got to get under it. And so when
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  Speaker 1: you look at guys like this, and here are four
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  Speaker 1: players that I chose by their age, by their salary
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  Speaker 1: camp number, and by their production last year. So Christian
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  Speaker 1: Kirk and z A. Jones both had career years. Foyer
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  Speaker 1: alukun right at nineteen million dollars is a huge cap figure,
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  Speaker 1: and he led the league in tackles for the second
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  Speaker 1: consecutive year, and then fully Foughtukasi did not have the
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  Speaker 1: huge impact year, but big guys up front come at
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  Speaker 1: a premium, and he's twelve point seven five cap number.
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  Speaker 1: These are four guys that you could work with and extend,
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  Speaker 1: and I think people might recall Jaguars and the Bengals
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  Speaker 1: are the only two teams currently that don't have a
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  Speaker 1: dollar pushed forward into the twenty twenty four or twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five stalary cap. Basically, they pay it, they claim it,
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  Speaker 1: they pay as they go. But that has to change. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one thing before we get started on this. There's not
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  Speaker 1: much to say about Calvin Ridley. He's the top one, right.
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  Speaker 1: What I would say to people who are who are saying,
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  Speaker 1: why haven't we heard any news on this? Reinstatements are
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  Speaker 1: the one area where you rarely hear things until they
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  Speaker 1: actually happen. Sometimes with news in the NFL, you hear
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  Speaker 1: like sneak news, you hear, hey, I'm hearing from the
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  Speaker 1: league office. It's not unusual that you're not hearing anything
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  Speaker 1: on Calvin Ridley as there's not much more to say
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  Speaker 1: about him. So I kind of wanted to get that
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  Speaker 1: out of the way first. Well, let's just do one
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  Speaker 1: thing real quick, and if we could get David Choe,
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  Speaker 1: our producer director, to throw up the numbers in case
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  Speaker 1: people are wondering why the Calvin Ridley acquisition is so interesting.
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  Speaker 1: He has twenty eight touchdowns, and remember in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: one he only played five games before he took that
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  Speaker 1: break for mental health. He has twenty eight touchdowns in
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  Speaker 1: forty nine career games played. He has twenty eight touchdowns
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  Speaker 1: in thirty five starts. Yeah, so he's been hugely productive.
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  Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty the last full season he played,
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  Speaker 1: you can see what he did yea, and everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: thirteen hundred yards and nine touchdowns would be a huge
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  Speaker 1: increase for what Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence want to do.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fascinating thing that I think you
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  Speaker 1: have to watch this with I'm gonna say skepticism, but
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  Speaker 1: you have to watch him early next year because I
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  Speaker 1: believe he'll be reinstated. Everybody does how much the layoff
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  Speaker 1: has hurt. It is an extended layoff. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: you can necessarily look at him as he's going to
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  Speaker 1: step in and be a big time one immediately, but
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  Speaker 1: I think you can assume that he's going to help
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  Speaker 1: this thing and give them elements. And if he is
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  Speaker 1: that big time one boy wedden acquisition, well look. And
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  Speaker 1: one more thing to say about this is that's why
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  Speaker 1: I think folks are wondering will he be here when
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  Speaker 1: the off season program begins in early April. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine he's not. I mean, because that gives him
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  Speaker 1: a better chance to be more productive by the time
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  Speaker 1: you get to September. Yeah, I can't imagine he won't be.
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  Speaker 1: He's applied for reinstatement. And now this is all just
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  Speaker 1: assuming logic comes into play, and oftentimes in the off
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  Speaker 1: season it does. The Jaguars need to know and if
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to reinstate Calvin Ridley, which they have
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  Speaker 1: reportedly he's applied for it. From a league perspective, if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to reinstate him, then you want to The
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  Speaker 1: league likes success stories. If you're going to reinstate him,
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  Speaker 1: you want to reinstate him before the off season program begins.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you're going to reinstate and then you say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he's ready come back, well be fair to him and
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  Speaker 1: let him come back, give me a shot and have
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  Speaker 1: as much success as possible. I can't imagine it not
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  Speaker 1: playing out that way, Brian, all right, So now let's
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  Speaker 1: go to a big thing too and restructure and put
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  Speaker 1: back up those numbers. When you're looking at the production
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  Speaker 1: that you had from Christian Kirk and Zay Jones in particular,
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  Speaker 1: they both have big cap numbers. You both you expect
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  Speaker 1: both of them will be a part of your program
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  Speaker 1: going forward for several years. With Calvin Ridley, so there's
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  Speaker 1: plenty of room there. There's room with Foya Loui Khan
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  Speaker 1: and fully fought to Kassi. What's interesting is those are
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  Speaker 1: about it from from total restructures, I guess you could
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  Speaker 1: redo Cam Robinson. Well, you can also redo the guys
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  Speaker 1: that are Ray Sewn Jenkins, Roy Robinson Harris, see not Agnete.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I'm going with this, because there are some
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  Speaker 1: guys that you may not be able to keep right right.
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  Speaker 1: So if you take Ray Robertson Harris, who has an
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  Speaker 1: eight million dollar cap figure right Jamal Agnew, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Barge and Harris would save you eight million, This is
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  Speaker 1: outright cut. This is not restructure. Agnew four and a half,
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  Speaker 1: Jenkins six, Shack Griffin, who I think we all expect,
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  Speaker 1: we'll give you thirteen. You could pick up the cap
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  Speaker 1: room you need right there. That's thirty one and a half.
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  Speaker 1: But the first three I believe you can also work
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  Speaker 1: with their con totally can't, totally can. There's two ways
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  Speaker 1: to go, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: One is you could just massively cut and try to restock,
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  Speaker 1: or you can restructure. There's two ways to do that.
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  Speaker 1: One is with the guys that you know are going
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  Speaker 1: to be here, and one are with guys that you'd
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  Speaker 1: like to keep for a couple more years yet, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the key is Christian and Zay to me
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  Speaker 1: seem very logical in this, and we don't really know
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  Speaker 1: for sure how Trent Backy thinks about this because most
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  Speaker 1: gms don't really lay out their whole plan on this,
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  Speaker 1: so we have to sort of assume where they're going
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  Speaker 1: and sort of what his philosophy is. So it absolutely
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  Speaker 1: stands reason some of that Christian Kirk you looked at
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  Speaker 1: him this year, you can easily see him being what
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  Speaker 1: I call a life or free agent, and many free
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  Speaker 1: agents aren't. Many free agents are signed essentially now for
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  Speaker 1: two years, and then with the option of being able
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  Speaker 1: to let those guys go, they almost sign two year
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  Speaker 1: deals and then fans get mad when they get released.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they screwed up the cap. Well, it's not because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those guys were signed for two years.
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  Speaker 1: Christian and Zay played like guys, like you say, long
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  Speaker 1: term guys, So they are guys where you can all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden find some money push it out. Also
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  Speaker 1: with those two guys, I was gonna say particularly Christian,
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  Speaker 1: but really both of them, they gave no signs this
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  Speaker 1: year of being take the money and run guys. You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to extend guys who you think are near
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  Speaker 1: the end or who aren't motivated. Both of those guys
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  Speaker 1: want to be here, want to be part of it,
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  Speaker 1: so they make so there's options restructure. Right, there's these
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  Speaker 1: four guys and the other three we mentioned, Roy Robertson,
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  Speaker 1: Harris Jamal Agnew and ray Sean Jenkins. Guys, we assume
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  Speaker 1: you'd want to have around or there's restructure and release. Right,
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  Speaker 1: let some guys go make room for other guys that
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  Speaker 1: you want on the roster. That's the key conversation that
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  Speaker 1: Balky and Doug Peterson and their stabs have either already
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  Speaker 1: have or are in the middle of having right now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think realistically they've had these conversations since these
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  Speaker 1: contracts were signed. Remember when they did the cat the
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  Speaker 1: last two off seasons, Tim Watson, Trent Baky, they were
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  Speaker 1: already looking at Okay, what are our scenarios if this
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  Speaker 1: player plays well, If this player plays well, they do
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  Speaker 1: it all the time. Production has to factor into it.
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  Speaker 1: There's been I've got a lot of questions because there's
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  Speaker 1: been so much talk about the cap and there's been
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  Speaker 1: so much talk in the media and here about them
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  Speaker 1: being up against the cap. Oh, why did they screw
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  Speaker 1: this up? It's not even remotely screwed up. No, they're
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  Speaker 1: in an excellent cap shape. Right, you can't compete in
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  Speaker 1: this league anymore and not have a few quote cap issues.
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  Speaker 1: You can't have a clean cap except in those couple
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  Speaker 1: of years where you're trying to clean it so that
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  Speaker 1: you can go unclean it, right, you know, so you can't.
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  Speaker 1: This was in no way a screw up. This was
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  Speaker 1: trying to get back to competitive and they did that
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  Speaker 1: last season. I think it bears it bears saying here
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  Speaker 1: that where roberts and Harris, Jamal agg Knew, Rayshawn Jenkins,
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  Speaker 1: and to a degree, shot Griffin, but we'll leave him
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  Speaker 1: out of this. But Roy Robertson, Harris, Jamal agg Knew,
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  Speaker 1: and ray Shawn Jenkins were guys that when you signed
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  Speaker 1: them in twenty twenty one, they were essentially two year
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  Speaker 1: gap exactly right. But all three of them played so well,
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  Speaker 1: especially down the stretch, for this football team. Now you
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  Speaker 1: start thinking a little differently instead of releasing them and
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  Speaker 1: picking up for these guys, it's almost twenty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: if you release them. Now you start thinking about how
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  Speaker 1: far out can we reasonably push the money so that
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  Speaker 1: we still get production and we still have these guys
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  Speaker 1: on the roster, but we don't overextend ourselves. They signed
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  Speaker 1: pretty standard situations for their level of player coming in.
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  Speaker 1: And when I say that, I don't mean to demean
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  Speaker 1: them as players, but they were not the number one
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  Speaker 1: guy at their position players when I signed with the Jags.
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  Speaker 1: When you sign players, you expect to be starters and
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  Speaker 1: expect to be good players. You do it for two
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  Speaker 1: years and you and if you're Trent Ballky, you say
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  Speaker 1: to yourself, I hope this guy's a problem for me
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  Speaker 1: in two years. And those three guys are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of credit to them. They played their way into being
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  Speaker 1: problems for Rashn. Jenkins gave you two of the most
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  Speaker 1: memorable plays in franchise history. And that's what you hope
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  Speaker 1: for out of free agency. By the way, one quick thought,
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  Speaker 1: and let's throw this up here real quick. It brings
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  Speaker 1: us to a big thing three, which was restock the roster.
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  Speaker 1: The last two drafts, you reasonably can pick out nine starters, right,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what this team has to be focused on
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  Speaker 1: doing at the end of April. In the draft, all
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  Speaker 1: of those guys, without exception, you could say played an
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  Speaker 1: important part in this season, some more than others, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but all of them were guys that you counted on
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  Speaker 1: you got to do that again. We gotta have a
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  Speaker 1: graphic that has another third of it next year with
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  Speaker 1: three or four guys that restock this roster because you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to do it through free agency, which Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: fans this franchise has become accustomed to doing. That'll do
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  Speaker 1: it for big things. When we come back, the Ozone
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  Speaker 1: mail Bag joins us. Oh wait, he's already with us.
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  Speaker 1: I am the mail bag. We're back after this. This
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  Speaker 1: brocas is friendly. Oh and welcome back to Jags Drive Time,
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  Speaker 1: presented by Carshyield here on a Tuesday morning in February.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be here on Tuesdays for most of the off season.
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  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, next week, John will be at the
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  Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis with J. P. Shadrick. This show, we'll
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  Speaker 1: move to Wednesday because the head coach and the general
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  Speaker 1: manager are both making their annual speaking presentation. What it
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  Speaker 1: would Yeah, I think what's going on? I think I
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  Speaker 1: hope Ridley's not as rusty as me. Doug and Trent,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, talked Tuesday and they were kicking Drivetime. We
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  Speaker 1: have to talk about the next day to Wednesday. But
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  Speaker 1: whenever Doug and Trent talk, and I'm nine nine percent
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  Speaker 1: sure it's Tuesday, around twelve thirty. Whenever they talk, we
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  Speaker 1: will have their press conference live and now we will
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  Speaker 1: be discussing it and covering it, so it'll be covered,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll come back the next day. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So let's grab the ozone, And first out of the
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  Speaker 1: gate is Brian from Wheeling, who wants to know. He says, Hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: the Jags took the NFL by surprise last season and
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  Speaker 1: did a lot better than expect. Can they do the
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  Speaker 1: same or better knowing they're not a walk over? In
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  Speaker 1: other words, you're not gonna surprise people in twenty twenty three. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not as big on this theme when analyzing the
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  Speaker 1: NFL as a lot of people, mainly because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if realistically just because the Jags weren't very good
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, I don't know that they surprised
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys when they beat them out here. They were
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they had film, they looked at it. I'm
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: not big on thinking that team. I mean, I know
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: teams get up for certain games in their own division,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: but generally NFL teams don't go in saying, oh, we're gonna,
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  Speaker 1: you know, beat these guys. It's more about matchups, It's
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: more about game planning and scheming. Um. I think the
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  Speaker 1: issue next year will be less for instan team. The Chargers,
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  Speaker 1: they were looked him in the playoffs. They had already
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  Speaker 1: beat him out there by twenty eight So let's not
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  Speaker 1: denigrate what the Jaguars did by saying they overlooked him.
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  Speaker 1: What will be a factor is there's a higher percentage
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  Speaker 1: chance that you're playing contending teams next year because of
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  Speaker 1: that first place schedule. When the Jaguars beat the Bills
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  Speaker 1: in November of twenty twenty one, right, they surprised him. Sure, right,
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  Speaker 1: that was the case because the Jaguars roster wasn't very good.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't very well coached in twenty twenty one, and
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  Speaker 1: as a result, the Bills probably looked at the tape
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  Speaker 1: and said, look, if we just go execute our game
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  Speaker 1: plan and do what we do with our quarterback against
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  Speaker 1: that rookie, we win. And that wasn't the case. That's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be the case in twenty twenty three. Now.
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  Speaker 1: The difference is people look at this roster and they
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  Speaker 1: look at the head coach, and I think Doug is
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  Speaker 1: the difference in a lot of these situations. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter whether you're surprised or not. You're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with him in his game plan. And I
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  Speaker 1: thought he was so innovative in the way that he
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  Speaker 1: approached it this year that it's Doug's game plan with
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  Speaker 1: the talent you've got here that you have to contend with. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it's Trevor Lawrence. That's what I mean. You starting right,
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  Speaker 1: starting to make plays above the ex's nose above and
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  Speaker 1: in the second half of season that gave them significant
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  Speaker 1: points and significant advantages in some games. Uh. Yeah, teams
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  Speaker 1: are gonna about the Jags. But when this team got
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  Speaker 1: good late in the season, teams already knew about right
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  Speaker 1: line up and play with this coach in this quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: you have to line up and play. You don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about whether people are prepared for you or not. All right, ozone?
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  Speaker 1: Question number two, it's John from the Land of Indian River. Ozon,
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  Speaker 1: what's different about this Jaguars staff's approach and philosophy from
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  Speaker 1: past Jaguars. Yeah, and I would picking these questions. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a a slow time, So I
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  Speaker 1: went a little bit more philosophical, and this is low
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  Speaker 1: and behold the question about philosophy. Um, you know when
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  Speaker 1: I answered this in writing, it's a tricky subject because realistically,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: when NFL people start talking about approach and philosophy, they
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: use sort of the same buzzwords. It's culture, it's motivation,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: trans you know, all those things, mainly culture. So when
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: we say, well, Doug created a culture, well, I'll guarantee
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you when the Colts hire their new coach, he's up
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: there talking about culture. Maron talked about culture, Urban and
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I are talked about. Everyone talks about culture. The difference is,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think Doug Peterson the difference is in the ability
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: to have players buy into that. All staffs sort of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: have the same approach and philosophy with pretty close. It's
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: do you have the you know, are you a man
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that they want to follow if you're a coach? Doug
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: is that And I think that's the fundamental difference in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: approach and philosophy is players look up at the front
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of the room when that guy's talking and say, I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: believe in that. If there's anything I can add to that,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it's that his fearless mentality right going forward on fourth down,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: on his side of the fifty yard line, the plays
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that he called the instincts that he has. Doug has
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: no fear. Not that coaches living fear on the sideline,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: but some are more conservative, some play situational football differently
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: than Doug did. Doug was going to go for it
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: with his team, and he told us in the preseason,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: John that he was going to use this season to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: teach this team his philosophy and his approach. And of course,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: as you just mentioned, these guys loved playing for him.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: But a why do guys do that these days? And
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: there's still a backbone and a spine. You've got to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: have to it. Meaning you know, when a player is
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: in Doug's office talking to him, is he getting the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: same guy that he's getting when he's walking out to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the field. Is he getting the same guy when Doug's
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: in a bad mood and had a bad day and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: heard that they did they did? Yeah, And you know
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: so again, approach and philosophy are words that everybody says.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Doug so far has shown that he's a guy that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: these players believe in. I have no reason think that'll change, Lauren.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: At our final ozone question for today comes to Justin
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: who comes from Justin to John from New York City,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And will the Dragons have a chance to evaluate Ridley
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: at all before the draft? Yeah, it's another tricky one
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a little. I mean, I'm assuming that he gets in.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he'll be here April seventeenth when it starts.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: But the draft is April twenty eight, and the first
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: two the first two weeks of the offseason program are
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: conditioning meetings, rehab. So in terms of on the field
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: with Pat, you know, any kind of pads, no, But
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the reality is they know what he is, they have
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: an idea about what kind of shape he's in. They've
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: done due diligence on that front. Remember when you analyze
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: this and when you worry about it as a fan.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: They gave up a fourth and a fifth conditional turns
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: into fifth. I mean, minimal risk involved with his trade
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: for the possible payout. And from everything you hear from
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: people who know Calvin, from Christian Kirk is good friends
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: with Calvin. He says, Look, this guy's dedicated, he's you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: he's on point. There's no reason to believe he won't
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: come in and be physically ready to go. It would
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: be some rust. Yeah, they won't be able to evaluate
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: him on the field, but all of that stuff. They
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: are as prepared as you can be in this situation,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and they are as informed at as you can be
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: in this situation, or they wouldn't make the trade. And
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable to expect that they're not going
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to do a lot of evaluating of him because of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the draft, right. I mean, this is not a team
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that's receiver needy. Right. If there's somebody who's so good
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and so highly graded on their board that they can't
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: pass them up, right, well, they're going to take that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: player anyway. They'll make the evaluation about Ridley in August
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: about how he fits in and can help them in
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: September when the regular season starts, so justin they don't
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: need to be, you know, diving knee deep into the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: evaluations in the first couple of weeks of the offseason program.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: They'll be looking at conditioning and things of that nature,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and they'll worry more about what he brings in August
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: when he gets back. There's sort of a weird reception
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Brian and I get it because we're so used to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: around here of the offseason acquisition being such a big deal,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and Calvin really has the potential to be a big deal.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But it's not like they pushed all the chips in
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: on this and signed this guy to a mega deal.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: This is a lower risk acquisition than christ and Kirk. Yeah,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in terms of what they gave up paying eleven million
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: dollars for him this year. Right, So this is a
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: very calculated move with big up, huge potential payout and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: relatively little risks. So it could turn out to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a shrewd Yeah. But really, as you said, this question
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: sort of implies that, oh my goodness, we have to
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: have a receiver or we're in big time trouble. We
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: need to evaluate this guy and if he's a step slow,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: we gotta take one in the first round. It's not
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that sort of pressure situation. No, not at all. Well,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: there's the ozone mail bag, which be a regular part
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: of our program throughout the off season, and when we return,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we'll take a look around the AFC South. There's been
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: plenty of change and plenty coming. We'll do that when
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: we return your own Jags drive time. Well, let's see,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: there's two new coaches and a new general manager and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: all sorts of possibilities in the AFC South, but we
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: go around the division to take a look and see
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: at least from a thirty thousand foot view here on
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Jaggi's Drive Time presented by Carshield. So let's start with
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the Titans, who have a new general manager in rand
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Carthon It. Remember when they fired their general manager last year.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: They didn't win another game, right, and we were all
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: surprised when they let him go. Yeah, there's still something
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: we talked during the break. There's something about Vrabel and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: about that team that still you've got to knock him
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: out before they're out. He's a really good coach and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: we sort of saw that this year. They were whilst
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: what six in a row coming into this game, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they still probably should have won the game, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And I only say that because when you win on
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a fumble return in the last three minutes of the game,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that the Titans are up there. We should
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: have won that game. Well. It was remarkable because Joshua
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Dobbs had them in a position to win that ballgame
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: with everything that was on the line, with the long
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: losing streak, and it'd only been there for two weeks.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So the number one thing I wrote down for them.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Their number one priority is who's going to be their quarterback?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Fair quarterback? And you know it's it didn't look at
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the end of the season like they had their air
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: apparent yet well the Dobbs started instead of Malik Willis.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So there's a big question. Well, and some of that is, Okay,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a young guy comes in, you see what he is,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and you're trying to win a game right now, but
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you still like the future that that wouldn't panic me,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: but it would make me feel real great either. So
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: are they a team that believes in him? That's a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: huge step to make. On paper, if they went the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Malik Willis route, you would think, okay, rebuilding. But again,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: there's something about the way they play. They know how
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to play even if he's the quarterback. The Titans are
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a team that feels to me like they're going to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: be at least around five hundred going into December, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you always got to worry about him. One other question,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you got to figure that there's a big decision on
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, right, not that you cut him or not,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: but do you maximize what he's probably one of his
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: remaining one or two seems slower last year than he
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: was the year before, and that just happens with those
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: big bruising backs. So if you're gonna keep Derrick Henry
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: is your centerpiece, do you keep Ryan Tannehill because it
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: gives you the best chance to maximize Derrick Henry. Yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it's that'll be interesting where you swing for an Aaron Rodgers.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: They've got the cap room, you would think with a
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: new GM coming in to say you could easily say, hey,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: we're going to try to ease Derrick Henry into retirement,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: meaning over the next few years, not use him as much,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to use him in spot. But he's a guy. If
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you've got him on your team and it's third and three,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you're gonna use it. So with a new GM, it
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: would be a little surprising historically if it was a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: swing for the fences type thing. But they're a team
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that typically believes going into every season that they have
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a chance to get it done. Well. They reignited Tannehill's career,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: could they reignite Jimmy Garoppolo, who was with Ran Carthon
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Big questions in Nashville and some Patriots
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: feel there with Rabel so it wouldn't be a huge reach. Colts,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: same question, right. Shane Styke in the new head coach,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and they've they got a quarterback issue, and they've they've
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: tried to play patchet with a variety of different players
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: since Andrew luck up and retired. They're near the top
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of the draft. There are a couple of names up there.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: The question is how good is their roster and what
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: do they do well a quarterback because their roster on
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: defense pret talented. Yeah, I wonder about the Colts because
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of this. We sort of said for years that we
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: felt like the roster was great and the offensive line
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: was really great and all it needed was a quarterback.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if if that sort of became the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: thing that we all said, and over time it wasn't
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: as true if you follow it. Sometimes you follow the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Traffics saying, well, they got a great roster. Well, last
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: year they really didn't look like a great team, even
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: around Matt Ryan, and the offensive line did not perform
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: as well as its reputation. So it strikes me that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: this might be a year where the Colts. They have
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: had a lot of success over the last twenty five
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: years with young quarterback, highly drafted quarterback one year and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, boom, they get back in it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: They got back in it quickly with Andrew Luck as
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a rookie, and then it took his second year before
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: they got back into it. Feels like they're going to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: number one overall, number two overall type quarterback. From a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Jaguars fans perspective, wouldn't you think that their quote luck
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: runs out with that and eventually they draft one that's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: not great and I think it's a Jaggers fans I've
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: got to believe eventually you don't hit a home run
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: with that spot, but we'll see if they do, then
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: they're the most blessed franchise in feederball, because you think
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: about it, that would be unprecedented. Or to have him
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: three right, because you have Luck was on his way right,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: he was going to be a Hall of Famer and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: then it sort of got squorely. But the pick, well,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of a sudden, they're a contender immediately
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: with him and then Peyton Farvin Rodgers sort of did
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it beyond that? Has anybody gone back to back quite
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like that? Back to back to back? Um Jim or says,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: leaving a charmed life. That happens. All right, Let's finish
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: with the Texans obviously. Look, Demiko Ryan's the new head coach,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: former Texans linebacker. They have draft capital, they have salary
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: cap room, they have a ton of picks from the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson trade. There's a real opportunity, which is why
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: he was interested in this job for them if they
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: can find the quarterback. All three of these teams in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the AFC South have quarterback as their number one question.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Where the Texans have, They've been through it too. They
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: waited a long time for this because it feels like
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I had. They went from being a very consistent franchise,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: always sort of contending and sort of being sort of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: similar to the Titans in that sense where even if
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: they didn't have a great quarterback, and Deshaun Watson a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: great but maybe not in that elite, you know, they
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: were always right there. You always had to worry about him,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden everything went south, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you know, they've had as bad a luck as bad
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a results as they've made the league last two years.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: So they've sort of in that sense the same way
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars sort of earned their surge last year. They've
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: earned their situation. I mean, they've been through it. It's
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: sort of hard to imagine them jumping to contending status
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: immediately because they have so many holes. Probably two years away.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: As he said, the quarterbacks to be a question, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: there are a couple of quarterbacks at the top of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the draft, and we'll cover that had nauseum on future
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: editions of this show. Let's wrap it up when we
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: come back. You're watching Jags Drive Time on a Tuesday
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in February with the combine coming next week, and of
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: course we'll have coverage. You're on Jaguars dot Com back
• 31:45
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• 32:11
  Speaker 1: up the show. You checked Doug and Trent talk on Tuesday. Yeah,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: they talked Tuesday, first day of the combine, twelve thirty
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and one. Is That's what I'm saying, and then we'll
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: carry them discuss them Tuesday and then come back on
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Wednesday with drift time and probably talk about what they
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: said again. Yeah, over and over and over and over again.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: We'll be talking about the same scenarios, right, how the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Jaguars get to the salary cap, where they go in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: terms of trying to bring back a guy like m
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor and Evan Ingram, and then start looking towards
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the draft, and of course for the first time in
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of years, we'll be watching and trying to
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: see what twenty three teams in front of them are doing.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: That will be more interesting than Hey, we know who
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take first overall. Any the best thing, Ryan,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way they can trade back
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: into the first round. There's no the North and Draft
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: night when they traded in the first Well, when you're
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: on site like I was last year and the guy's
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: not there for the second year in a row, you're like, God,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I hope they dropped back into the first run. So
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I have something to do, and we did this year,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: so we appreciated anything to do that's easy. I appreciate that.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: All right, John Osan, enjoy your trip to Indianapolis. Looking
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: forward to and for our broadcast crew, Welcome back to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Jags Drivetime. We'll see you next Wednesday here on Drivetime