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Mean Girls of 1692 | Salem Witch Trials · Beheaded

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to episode number two of Beheaded.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Episode number two.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's a big one.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: We have a really, really big subject to talk about that we're gonna try and do in within an hour.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Our original plan was to keep it within a half hour, and then our last episode was so amazing.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: It went a full hour, so here we are, we're doing hour-long episodes.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: We have a lot of content to cover.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: We do, but the good thing is we kind of changed up our location, so hopefully the sound is a little bit better this time.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we moved from my place to Megan's place.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: There's no green chili peppers.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's no green chili peppers.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: We are in a quiet, pretty well-upholstered room, I'd say.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: The upholstery's good.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's my bed.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's Megan's bed, but it's good, like thick material.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good king size.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: There's room.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're making this quite sexual.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: There's room for our wine.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: We've got it.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's room for our wine in the third person.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Third person?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's not, no, you're not invited.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: There's no third person.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we are okay.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: So we we did our last episode.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: We had two people listen to it before we're airing it live, and we had some good feedback, and we we missed something really obvious that I can't believe we didn't talk about.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: We almost started talking about it.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: There were points where we tried to get around to it.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was Marie Antoinette's charge.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: We never told you guys what she was actually charged with.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: We kind of we talked about it-ish.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: We just cared about the execution.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: This is what it's about.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's about the executions here.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: But so we're very clear on what she was charged with.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: The actual um charge was treason and theft.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she was also false a false falsely accused of uh sexually abusing her son.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that probably wasn't a thing.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: But the real reasons were theft and treason.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, really, they just had to get her for something because they all hated her.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a pretty it doesn't hold up very well, but again, it was just a way of saying, hey, you've really screwed around with our money, you really haven't taken care of your people.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: When in doubt, get them for treason.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Treason is like the overall.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna start like accusing people that when they're just like, What am I in trouble for?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna be like treason.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: Treason.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: Don't have to get more into it, just treason in general.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: At work, Megan and I have like competencies that we we use in terms of you know how you're progressing through your career, uh, goals you want to attain.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: We all use the competency language, but I think treason needs to be introduced to that.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Treason?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's like, oh, are you a team player?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Are you taking initiative?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uhtimate treason.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Treasonous.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the write-up.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Termination, execution, yeah, you're done in the end.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's high treason.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just be high treason.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Different levels of treason that you're accused of.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so tonight's episode.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's a doozy, but it is October.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: It is Halloween's around the corner.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: We are drinking our dark apothic red wine with the fancy medieval writing on it and the black cork.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Megan's husband, uh, he made sure that we use coasters.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: He said there was too much clinking last time.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: We have coasters.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: We are getting very official.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like cardboard coasters, so there's hardly any sound to them.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: You won't even know we're drinking.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: Except when I go and I refill my glass three times.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: It might be slight sound.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, okay.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: So, because it's October.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: Should we reveal?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead, Megan.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Reveal the theme of today.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: Salem witch trials.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: Salem witch trials.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dun dun dun.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously a huge subject.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people executed during the Salem witch trials.
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  SPEAKER_02: In total, there were 20 people executed plus two dogs.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: Two dogs.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: What the heck?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: A child.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Devil dogs.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, four of them were male of the twenty.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which is just to quickly interject here, I always assumed, and I don't know, I get I never looked into it, obviously, but I thought the Salem witch trials, they killed like hundreds of people.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I thought it was like a giant slaughter of you didn't like we didn't like certain people and we just got rid of them.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't like I yes, they I think what did they say?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: We had twenty 200 on trial.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, about 200 people were on trial or accused.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it only last a year.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: But here's the thing: this isn't including all the people who were killed in jail from like starvation and disease, and it was really ugly.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we should specify that the 20 were those that were actually executed.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Formally executed.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: But like Megan said, there were many more that died in jail.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still caught up on the two dogs.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I want to know more about these dogs.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: What kind of dogs were they?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: What were their names?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: Who thought that they were witches?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: Were did they have red glaring eyes?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, my dog is kind of a devil dog sometimes.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I should accuse her of treason and witchcraft.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: High treason.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: High treason.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, if anyone has any information on these dogs, please let us know.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: Please let us know.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm dying to know what these dogs are.
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  SPEAKER_00: What descendant of this dog?
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: We would love to interview your dog.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pretty sure it's Penny.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: Penny is a descendant of the Salem witch child dog.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so there's a good handful of people who were actually executed, a lot of people who were affected by this, but we're really only gonna focus on three people today.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um the first one being Bridget Bishop.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: The reason we're highlighting her is she was the first person who was executed for the Salem Witch trials.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, next one, quite a famous name, is Rebecca Nurse.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: She is a big character in The Crucible, and not that I mean, there's a lot of big names in this, like Sarah Good and um, you know, people that we've heard of before, but I think Rebecca Nurse, hopefully people hear her name and know kind of what she's related to.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely one of the more famous ones of The Witches.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, I'm sure most of us read The Crucible when we were in middle school, high school.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think her name is gonna stick out to most people who are familiar with the trials.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then the last one, I'll let you say the last one.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_02: Giles Corey, who actually, now that I'm thinking of it, he actually wasn't executed.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: But he's still an interesting figure in it that I think we should talk about.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was more that he was tortured, which is very few cases like in North America of real torture, you know, a la Western European style, but he was pressed to death, which we'll we'll go into the details.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he wasn't actually convicted, executed.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: He was asked to plead, and he refused to plead guilty or non-guilty, and they pressed him to death.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna get into the gory details of pressing.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then we actually have our first segment today, too.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, we're gonna do segments.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we talked about we kind of teased you guys in the first episode with uh segments, and we have our first one that we're unveiling today, so we're gonna pull this uh segment out from time to time, but it's called History to Hollywood.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of corny, but we are very excited about it.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: It we're both like big movie people, big cinema people.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: I love Candy Corn.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Candy corn, candy corny.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're going to be talking about our favorite witch movies, and they don't have to be Salem witch movies specifically, they can just be any witch movies.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have our two favorites we're gonna share with you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I haven't actually come to my decision yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I'm gonna keep thinking about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love witch movies in general.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: We grew up in the 90s, so I think my choice is obvious.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Megan's trying to be difficult and go a weird route with hers, but we'll see what she chooses.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see what I can say.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Stay tuned to the end.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so I think we kind of have to start with how did the Salem witch trial start?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it is important.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't so we kind of debriefed before, but I I didn't mention this.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is important to say that like accusing of witchcraft definitely did not start in New England or in Massachusetts.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: This has been going on for hundreds of years in Europe, and you know, these these aren't this isn't the first time people were accused of witchcraft and executed for it, but definitely mass hysteria broke out in Salem, Massachusetts.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: And it started, it was actually a pretty brief amount of time, but this started in 1692.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it really started with five girls being stupid little bitches and calling out their neighbors on shit.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: So so the way that it started was again because of these five girls, they were young, they were nine, eleven, like we're talking tweens here.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it really all stemmed from one of the slaves, and I'm gonna butcher her name t tichuba.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Tichuba.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard it tichuba.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: I've heard it.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: So we're sticking with tichuba.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Someone tell us how to say we're saying it wrong.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: We'll go with we run into this a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tichuba.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Guillotine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so she was actually um a slave from the Barbados area um and came over, and she I we believe, and again, we don't have any factual evidence, but we believe she came over and had kind of told these young girls stories of voodoo and witchcraft, you know, that she had seen or had heard of, urban legends from her original country.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so these girls got all worked up and excited about it, and just started throwing fits, essentially.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, almost actual fits.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like epileptic crazy fits where they would throw things, they would contort their bodies, they were all sorts of crazy.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, their fathers were concerned, and really the only explanation was like they are being possessed.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like the devil has gotten to them, they're being bewitched, something is larger afoot.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Don't you think they were just bored?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is there to do in Salem in 1692?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh, I already melted the goat today.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: I guess I'll just go and bring havoc and mayhem and accuse my neighbors of witchcraft.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Or we're gonna like strip naked in the town square square and dance around.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's yeah, I mean, come on, you're in a Puritan force society.
• 10:05
  unknown: Definitely.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: But you're you're you know, you're in this Puritan society, like it has a lot to do with kind of the religious uh pressures at the time.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: So to be honest, I mean, I might have been in that witch circle.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: I might have danced around with the girls and been like, eh.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: You would have been the one convinced me, like, come on, Megan, just do it.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's cool.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Just make all these, you know, accusations with us, just lie.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: I would have fallen for it too.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: And trust me, I mean, these girls, girls are or these day gay days girls are still doing the same things.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're still creating high school drama.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is like mean girls of 1692.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we just Elizabeth can convince me to do a lot of things.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: So she, if you were, if you were in that little clan, I'd probably do it.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um so Bridget Bishop was one of the first women accused.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: And kind of the trend that we see with all of these people who were accused was they weren't uh they didn't have good reputations in the neighborhood.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like people didn't really like them.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Surprise, surprise.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Surprise, surprise.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: They it's kind of like the cranky neighbor next door who, you know, oh, how can I finally get rid of this person in my life?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: So Bridget already had a bit of a background of being feisty in in Salem.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: So she was married three times.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: She had a total of wait, actually, I made a misnote here.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I thought I put down she had eight kids.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: That was Rebecca Nurse had.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Rebecca Nurse had eight kids.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um but Bridget was married three times, right?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: She was married three times.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: She was accused of bewitching her second um husband, Thomas Oliver, until he died.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, she just didn't really have a great reputation.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and she actually wasn't even accused of anything until she was 59, 60.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: She died when she was 60, which is another interesting thing because, you know, like my misinterpretation of I thought hundreds, hundreds of people died.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: I also thought they were all young women.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was just they were all Sarah Jessica Parker.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought they were all these cute young women like frolicking around the town square.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a witch.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then people, you know, jealousy rose up and they're like, these girls need to be stuck.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, they were kind of the hags of the town.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: And the ones that we've focused on, they were old.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: I so, but this is what I love about Bridget.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: So she was pretty feisty.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: She would argue with her husband a lot, and they would quarrel and they would fight, and her neighbor called them out on it, like, oh my god, I can't handle their fighting anymore.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: So they actually did her and her husband had to go to court, and their punishment was to be shamed in the town.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: They had to stand back to back with um, while gagged with a sign on their forehead uh saying, I don't I don't know exactly what it said, yeah.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Something because I mean back then, like, how dare a wife raise her voice to her husband and how dare she call him the devil snare or whatever she called him.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Devil snare, devil snare.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: A fun fact when I was coming over to Megan's house this afternoon, I had to bang on the door several times as I heard her and her lovely husband quarreling in the kitchen as well.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: He couldn't figure out how to use the carrying machine.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: It is the you put the pot in press go.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I awkwardly was like, should I knock again?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you have to fill the water up more.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: They have a little dog flap, so I was like, should I like stick my foot in the dog flap?
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: Just to show us that.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then everything's fine once Elizabeth walks in.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we're just making coffee.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're here.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we're making coffee.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, that was absolutely as we were we're gonna be put in the town square and gagged in.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't do that to you.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Not today.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: So so she has a pretty bad reputation, right?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so then these little jazz girls start accusing her of witchcraft.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh she was accused of bewitching the five young women, um, essentially, uh Abigail Williams, Ann Putnam, uh Mercy Lewis, Mary Walcott, and Elizabeth Hubbard.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's kind of the kickoff of all of this.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: This was April in 1692.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um and people started claiming crazy things once this came out.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: They said that her uh her shape, like her ghost essentially, would come to them and would bite them, would pinch them, would tear their clothes, and they would show proof like here's my torn dress her spirit did it in the middle of the night.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Which was apparently evidence enough.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um so before we knew it was a full-blown trial.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um obviously she denied allegations, uh, you know, it oh, and one funny thing that someone accused her of uh apparently she had lace um that was too small to really be used on anything like large, like a large dresser or curtains or whatever it was.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they said the only potential use she could have for lace this small was to be used on Poppet dolls.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because she wanted to get the lace dyed, right?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like she was gonna do it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: She sent it to someone like dye my lace, and he's like, This must be for puppet dolls.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: And this man was like, hmm, this is only used for puppet dolls.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: And poppet dolls, so you know, are they almost like small voodoo dolls uh that are meant for spell casting, so you would essentially make a doll and it would be, you know, a person you didn't like.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: You do things to it, you cast spells on it, and it would affect the person in real life.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, that was also a thing that she was.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: I also read a story of how they saw a flying monkey through an apple orchard, which first thing I'm like, oh Mr.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Voz, like I wonder if there is any, like, where did this flying monkey come from?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it's true, yeah.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: Someone made that up from something, and this sounds like part of me is thinking, okay, maybe one person, do they really think that's what they saw, or do they just are they just blatantly lying about this, all of this, just to get someone who they don't like out of their way?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, isolation isolationism does odd things to people, who knows?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: People start saying things.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and oh, there was also an accusation that she had a third nipple as well, which apparently is a definite sign of a witch.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: So while they were in trial, it was very common to do body exam examinations because if there's any mark of the devil's, you know, the devil's mark on them, so they would look for moles, they would look for scars, and they could use anything they wanted.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I think if I saw someone with a third nipple, I think that I mean, what else would you think?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a pretty good mark compared to some of them just had like moles.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like I look at my old my own skin, I'm like, oh damn, I would for sure.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Is the third nipple taken nail?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I've never seen a third nipple.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard of this.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: Is that is that new people?
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: I heard a rumor of someone, one of my friends.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: You're just looking at me like you know.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: No one.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: When I was a kid, and I remember hanging out at the public pool, and she told me that her brother knew someone who had a third nipple.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: So okay, because three degrees of separation back when I was five years old.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely that person having a third nipple.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's a full-on nipple.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's a thing where people can have like a faint.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I have a mole here, you see?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: I have a ton of molecules.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm showing her a mole that's on my um my trap devil's mark.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's been there my whole life, it's quite large, but it's not a nipple.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: And no, that's no, obviously you're not a nipple.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm telling you that even if it were closer to my.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: She's doing it nipple like a map or a mole.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: That was the first question that came up.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Is this a nipple or a mole?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, those are nipples.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now she's showing me weird things.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: It looks like a mole.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Also looks like a nipple.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a mole.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Someone else needs to Google this and closed.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you do have a third nipple, let us know.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Please let us know.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Did this form over time?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Something more than this.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Does it, if you're a woman, does it lactate?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ew.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ew.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Gross, sorry.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even like that word.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we need to pause for a second and get back to some.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: We'll put that on ice and think about that.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um, back to Bridget Bishop.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: With her third nipple.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: With her third nipple.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they by the way, there was a second examination.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: They did not find the nipple, so people are also making things up once again.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we were trying to find more gruesome details of her actual execution.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing sexy, she was hanged.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: She was convicted of witchcraft and uh conspiracy with the devils.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: So she yeah, and she was convicted on June 8th, 1692.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: And two days later, on June 10th, she was at the gallows.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so when a witch was hanged, they weren't allowed to be properly buried in the cemetery, like on the church ground or something.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I've been to Salem, Massachusetts, and it's super cool because you can rag much.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, sometimes when you're a rental traveler like me, you want to travel the whole world and then go all the way to Salem, Massachusetts.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's such if anyone has not been there and you have the opportunity, you should go.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: You can go to the burial grounds and find their tombstones and whatnot.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: But they were mostly buried at Gallows Hill and their family had to take it.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's a side story.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I um had an ex-boyfriend who promised me he'd take me to Salem, Massachusetts on Halloween because we were there for a wedding, not in Salem, but near um wherever we were.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not from the East Coast, I don't know your towns.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we were near the area and uh we were there for a wedding, and I was so upset because I was like, Oh, we're missing my favorite holiday, we're not gonna be at home on Halloween dressed up, and he's like, No, no, no, like babe, I'm gonna take you to Salem.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Let me guess.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: He was let me guess, was he a New York Guido?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's totally your type.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Whoa, the way you're the way you just impersonate him, like, no, no, no, babe, it's okay.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm babes, it's fine.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um I can already picture it now.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, but he was like, Lib, we're gonna go to the city of Massachusetts for Halloween, and I got real excited, and we literally this is what happened on Halloween.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: He took me to a Dunkin' Donuts.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: Did you at least get a pumpkin space in the daytime?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, let me back him up on this.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I grew up on the East Coast, I grew up in New Hampshire.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Dunkin' Donuts is a holy ground.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: I get it, I understand, and they wrap their bagels in like Patriot newspaper, Patriot paper.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: But regardless, I thought like, oh, we're going to Salem, we're doing a graveyard tour, we're gonna be there overnight.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't even take you to like the cheesy drove through the town and he stopped at Dunkin' Donuts and was like, here we are in Salem.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: I would be pissed.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um and I would emphasis on emphasis on the X before I lift.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so they have the Witch Museum, which I swear has not changed since like 1960 something, because there's these I feel like I'm gonna offend someone who's like, hey, I love that museum.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: But there are some pretty cheesy mannequins, and you go through and they tell the story and you see the different stuff.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I feel like that's iconic.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can't go without going to this museum that they've never updated, and maybe they have.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't been there in a long time.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's different.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um get to that later.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then they also have the like jail cells.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty sure that's what I went to, and like you can.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: They're real, like the actual cells.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: They're not maybe Yeah.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like someone's gonna be like, that's not a real thing.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, but I definitely saw jail cells, and it was definitely underground, and there was this um um like beam, like a wooden beam that you had to walk under, and it was tradition that if you're a woman walking under it, you have to like kiss your hand and touch the top of the wood beam for it's like a superstitious thing for good luck.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like when you go through a yellow light.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because like if you're a woman going down there, you're probably accused as a witch and you're gonna die.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like game day, like how football players.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: When they like, you know, walk onto the field, they like make Megan's like football.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sports, touchdown.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm a big sports person, but you know, there's like teens when they go in through the tunnel or whatever, they have a very specific place that they hit or a statue they touch, and it's kind of like, oh, game day, let's go.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it was.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what they were saying.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: For execution.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: No one's gonna make me look like a fool on that stand.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, I got to kiss the beam, and it's supposed to give you good luck.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: So did it?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm here doing this podcast on my head.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: So look at us now.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um okay.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: So that going back, so she so she's hanged.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so end of Bridget Bishop.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: RAP died at age 60, which again, it's like I I don't know what the life expectancy was like in the 1600s.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: But but but you know, the life expectancy in that era, I mean, don't they die when they're 70 anyway?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you really care?
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you really have to get this woman a decade before she's about to kick it anyway?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's kind of badass in your very like final years being like, well, I'm gonna go out making history.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: But actually, not.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: I say that as a joke because her whole family is now shamed.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: And it's also the fear, like Sarah Good, she was the one where her four-year-old daughter was also accused and hanging.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like it wasn't just you, it was your whole family and your reputation, and you would have no money or land, or there's a really good book called The Heretic's Daughter.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a shout out.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: If anyone can read it, it's and it's kind of about that of like if anyone can read it.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Anyone if anyone knows how to read.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: If there's uh any type of a bookstore, like a Barnes and Noble around you, maybe like an Amazon website you can get to.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, it really though.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: The Heretic's Daughter.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for speaking to like people without bookstores or Amazon.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm set in the 1600s right now.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, my mind is a way you can find a bookstore somewhere.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: A place of literature if you know how to read.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, anyways, it's kind of about that where her mom is accused, and I'll I'm I don't want to give away the ending or anything, it doesn't look so good for her.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty cool.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that pretty much sums up the life of Bridget Bishop in a nutshell.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: In a nutshell.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: So first one of the trials uh again died June 10th, 1692.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that brings us to our second lady of the hour, which is Rebecca Nurse, um, probably most famous of some of the witches who were accused.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and she had quite a different story, at least in the beginning, to Bridget Bishop.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, they died the same way.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, long story short, she was a very pious woman.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, again, her and her husband were very well respected, church-going people.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it came as a bit of a surprise when all of a sudden accusations were thrown her way.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was a lot of people that stook up for her who signed a petition saying, like, there's no way, she's been a devout woman her whole life, you know, this isn't something she would ever do.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I don't know if anyone ever gave any real concrete evidence.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I know that during the trial the trial, people were pretending to be afflicted.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: They would like again, like the young women in the first story, they would contort their bodies and kind of go crazy and kind of these tantrums.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: And like being like, It's like yeah, like doing epileptic like modes, like she's writhing on the floor.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is proof enough that she's manipulating me.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think those were the things that sealed uh you know her conviction or sealed her conviction.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know if there was much other evidence other than that.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the things that like I thought was super interesting was this was prior to us, you know, the constitution obviously wasn't in place or anything.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so they weren't allowed to have a lawyer.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, and kind of all rules were thrown out the window of a fair trial, which really sucks.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: So like you know, adding to the whole, like, oh, there's like religious tensions and they're isolated.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: They also had terrible due process.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the whole the whole thing from start to finish was based on hearsay.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they allowed juries to reconvene after they had already said, I'm not really sure if that's what we want.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was really just messy and disorganized.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and oh, fun fact too, she was 71 years old, so even older than Bishop.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it'd be like Granny, and she was that's what they're saying.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so she was the one who had eight kids, she was a grandmother, she was like a prominent figure in the neighborhood, and she was like that motherly figure that people went to.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: So imagine seeing this person now on trial for witchcraft, and just kind of everything that you believed was real and true in her is now thrown out the window, and she is now the devil's, you know, like collaborator and is, you know, some horrible person.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and I think the only really things is that she had a few uh words with neighbors, you know, like little little things would happen here and there, and they would get into small quarrels, and they said, Oh, she's acting unreasonably, like she's being irrational.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, devout Rebecca, who we all know and love, has all of a sudden turned her back on all of us.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: So she just sounds like she's an aging woman, she's got a lot of stress in her life, she's knows she's near she's nearing the end.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'd be cranky.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: I might snap at some people more than I would.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I certainly hope they wouldn't accuse me of being a witch at 71 years old.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: But like, even if you were accused of a witch at this time, they would go through such ridiculous measures of trying to get you to confess.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we can get into that probably a little bit more with Giles, but um I felt like at that age too.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: I wondered if you'd just be like, well, I'm gonna throw in the rag on this one, like to go through all the torture and to go through, you know, the jail life and the disease and everything we mentioned previously.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: I just I don't know, at that age, I'm just wondering if I mean now it doesn't seem that old.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like if anyone is 70 and listening to this, we don't think that you're decrepit and and you should probably go throw in the towel.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: But back then, back in the 1600s, that was pretty elderly.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, and and again, it was just it it seems so odd that they would do this to such old women when it all started with these young girls just you know rallying up the troops and being crazy.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: You listen to it.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, she she died without her dignity.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, well, she she was very collected during the time that she was actually sent to be hanged and everything, but you know, she again similar to Bishop, she didn't have a Christian burial, just buried in a shallow grave.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think they said that she might have been dug up and moved somewhere else, actually.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's probably likely.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I I was gonna hone in on this a little bit at the end here, but as far as kind of the families getting the apologies from the public after the facts, even up, you know, until not so long ago.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: So now, you know, after it ended of like, ooh, I think we messed up here, you know, getting these plaques and getting more of like memorials for them.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: Rebecca Nurse actually is one of the few whose house is still standing, and you can do tours through it, and that's like something really cool to see um in Massachusetts.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so she she hanged.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: She hanged, she hanged.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, same verdict, just witchcraft.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: And that was in 1692 as well.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a month.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, I have July 19th.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so shortly after, about a month after Bridget.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um again, another old lady.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and one thing that they did put on her monument after they uh, you know, had her space claimed is it said, oh Christian martyr, uh who for truth could die when all about the own of the hideous lie.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: And what was it that don't you have notes of what she was saying during her trial too, when she was just claiming her innocence?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like she was one who never really faltered.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: They I mean, some of them, like like Tichuba t Tituba, she sh like she was put on trial and she confessed.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I think she confessed because she was like, Well, I'm gonna die anyways.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like she was also a slave, she knew what her ending was.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: I know, and I mean, compared to slavery, hell, why not?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh gosh.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: I it's kind of horrible to think about.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: But um, but yeah, so but many of them, like Rebecca, held true to their innocence until the very end.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she has a quote that says, Um, I'm as I am innocent as the child unborn, but surely what sin hath God found out in me um unrepented of, that he should lay such an infliction on me in my old age.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: So sad.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like, man, after leaving I you know, especially with these um people in this specific area, you know, they're they're leaving, they're leading these devout lives.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: They truly think that deliverance is coming for them, that they're going to be sent into heaven and after living such, you know, a virtuous life.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: And at 71, you have to be told within a few months, like, hey, actually, people don't like you.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Again, going back to the mean girls of the 16 years, like, so really you're um kind of a burden.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: You're kind of a burden this town.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, kind of uh, yeah, leech suck in society dry, and we would just love to see you hanged, you wish.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: So our last one is another is another oldie.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Even older.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny that we get older as progress.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: We did that intentionally, so he's the 70s, and now we're at eight what, eighty one.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Giles Corey, who was um one of the four males that was actually uh I don't want to say executed because he wasn't formally executed, he just refuted refused to plead, as I said a little bit earlier.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, Giles Corey, uh, he wasn't soon after September 19th, 1692 was when he officially died.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh it was um a situation where he actually was standing by as his wife was being accused.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: So he got so swept up into all of these accusations that he started believing that his own wife was a witch too.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh it turned out that soon after he was accused of being a a wizard, I believe is what they called him.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Did they call him a wizard?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Not a warlock?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually gonna ask you about that.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I what's the difference of a warlock and a wizard?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: I've always thought warlock is just a male witch, but after seeing Harry Potter, I don't know.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what what's a wizard versus?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean in Halloween town, they had warlocks.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: They did.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: I always think of warlocks as having simple magic, and wizards are grandiose and can maybe a follow-up for next episode.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Difference between a warlock and a wizard.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Question mark.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Question mark, writing it down.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: I yeah, I've always said to me, I mean, you know, wizard has always meant something mystical, and it's like you have these extraordinary powers beyond this realm.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Warlock to me means I can make things levitate.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's just my personal interpretation of the two words.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: If I was a dude, I'd rather be a wizard than a warlock.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Warlock just sounds like a wart.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, it sounds wrong.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, it reminds me of uh Sorcerer's Stone.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wizard.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: Sorcerer's Stone, where he just calls him Wart.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: You wart.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: You wart.
• 33:23
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're right.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: He just calls him.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's like just an insult, like a warlock.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: You're just like this leech.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's funny.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: Keep using the word leech.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so so yeah, so Mr.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Corey over here, his so his wife was hanged, he's up next.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, no, his wife was hanged after him.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: So Elizabeth did way more research on this.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: I really thought I was prepared.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, oh, I've I've seen a lot of documentaries.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: I've read a lot of books about Salem Witch trials.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I didn't really do my homework as well.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's got notes, and I'm just like, I remember something about this once.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh we'll get into his death, but she actually was hanged three days after him.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: So she had to witness three days.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just three days, and she had to witness his gruesome, gruesome death um and then herself beheading.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I I'm trying to figure out how old she was when she was old, or when she was old, when she was um uh executed as well.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: What's what was her name?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Martha?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Martha Corey?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah um yeah, so Megan's gonna look up how old she was.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: So we I like I kind of touched on this before, but so there were all these really gruesome ways that they would determine if you were a witch or if you weren't.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um one of my favorites was the swimming test, which basically they would um bound you down, throw you into some cold water, like a lake or a pond or something, and see if you sink or float.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: If you float, you must be a witch because you used your magical powers to help you live.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if you sink, then you were unfortunately just a normal human in a sense, and uh died.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: So either way, it was a death sentence, because if you floated, then they would hang you.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: And if you sink, then you drowned and you died.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: If you floated, I mean you just were more buoyant, you had a little more pudge, you know.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder what the reaction would be if they like threw someone in and then they just say they're all like, oh whoops.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Then they say a quick prayer.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: And on to the next one.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: Also, Martha Corey was 73 years old.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: So she was old as well.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, sorry, not old, just mature.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: She was mature in the 1600s.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, but in his life, Giles Corey was a fairly well-respected man.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he had some devious things that he had kind of gotten into.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but he was prosperous, he was a landown uh owning farmer, uh, he'd been married three times.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, all these marriages, damn.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I know.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Reading that, I was like, well, this is like this Puritan society, and everyone's like, oh, I'm their fourth wife.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think they die, that's why.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they just get divorced.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Going back to the beginning, I mean it's disease-ridden.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think people are just dying left and right, and you're like, oh, next wife.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyway, but uh, so Giles Corey, um, again, Martha Corey was his third wife.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the only real thing that we could find in his history was that he had uh abused one of his servants pretty harshly, almost to the point where the servant had died.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: So corporal punishment was by no means uh in this era bad, it wasn't considered a crime.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the extent at which he hurt this person, that's when people kind of raised their eyebrows and are like, hmm, he's not really a good guy.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: He also stole a couple times.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so he had a few streaks of you know um and then when the Proctor House burned down, they were kind of quick to accuse him.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: So he was already a bad seed in in Salem, and yeah, people had their eyes on him.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: So naturally, wife's a witch.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: He must be a was he, a wizard?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: A wizard.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: So so tell me, Elizabeth, what did they do to him?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the best part, and this is why we saved the part I mean the worst part.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: The reason we do this podcast.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is why we saved him for the end as well.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he was pressed to death, which uh essentially is where you were stripped naked, you're thrown on the ground, you are put, um they put a giant slate of wood on top of you, and they just keep piling stones one by one.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um and they did this again, not because this was his um sentence, not because this is like how he was supposed to die.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was just to get a plea out of him.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was just to say, hey, like, are you guilty?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Are you?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: So then they could kill him.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: But oops, they're like, oh boss, I think I accidentally killed him a little early.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: One stone too many.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: But it it wasn't a quick no like this process took two days.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Two days.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was pretty gruesome.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like I they had certain rules.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think it was in the first day, you're not allowed to be fed except for you get a little bit of gross bread, like the worst part of the bread, which I believe just like moldy bread.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: So they would feed you like moldy bread three times.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Just to keep you going, yeah, just to like be like, oh, you can you can still plead, like you can still say if you're guilty or not guilty.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you pass out, then you can't get a plea out of it.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so they did that, and then the second day I think they gave him still water, just gross, still warm water.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so they didn't do anything to keep him alive, they just kept asking him to again say whether he was guilty or not guilty.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: And what what's the what's the famous quote that he would say every Oh wait.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wait! That's all he would say.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Badass.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like badass at this 81-year-old guy who's laying naked being piled on with the wall.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: Why was he like this is what I want to know?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Why did he have to be naked?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm also curious, like, whether or not the naked, like he was actually naked, because I read something that said like naked to the point of decency or something, meaning like they probably covered his private parts.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um you had mentioned it was the splinters, it was like But I was gonna I was gonna say we were discussing this beforehand.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's like naked, like like that one like tiny shred of cloth makes a difference in the wing.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, and I think it's more about the splinters.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think they want you to be splintered to death as well.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's such a bad like such a slow death because what's happening is his lungs are crushing, his in his chest is crushing, his bones are crushing.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and your body also probably resists it to a certain extent, like you're trying to mean I don't know, not necessarily push back, but yeah, you're naturally your body responds and tries to lighten the load, and I'm sure you're just fatigued.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh you're hungry, you're starving, you're thirsty, and then there's like 500 pounds on top of you.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: They said too in the second day And you're naked.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you're naked and you're 81.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: And you're 81, um, you know how this is gonna end.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they said that in the second day his tongue started to bulge out because there was so much weight on his face that his tongue just started bulging out of his mouth.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: And to make sure that he knew he still could get out of it, they would like press his tongue back in his mouth.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: Still trying to visualize it.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, visualize it.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: So when you're saying it's bulging out of his mouth, like it's still attached.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's still attached.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, like little puppies when they're so small and their tongues are bigger than their heads almost, so their little tongues can just kind of go.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like it's kind of like that.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like literally there was so much weight on his face, there was no room in his mouth for it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Did you put the rocks on his face?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not on his face, but the board smashed into his face.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just I didn't see it.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a clear representation in the witch museum.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: I remember this part from when I was a kid.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Of pressing?
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of Giles Corey.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: Are we saying it right too?
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: Is it Giles or is it Giles?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's not Giles.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: No, we discussed this.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't see it.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe there's one person out there who's like, oh my god, it's Giles.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: I knew a girl whose last name was Giles and it was spelt the same.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: I knew a dude whose last name was Giles, and I'm pretty sure it's Giles.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe she was saying her name wrong the whole time.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um anyway.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: There's a really good mannequin of this scene though, and him, I remember like the little audience.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this one was good.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: And like I remember him being like, more weight.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: So there was also a debate um whether or not he said more weight or more rocks.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Just fun fact, yeah.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: But regardless, he didn't, he never um, he never pled guilty or not guilty.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he he uh never said stop, he never refuted anything.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: He was silent.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: He was silent the whole time.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, you know, uh do your worst, like from County Monte Cristo.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um he they just continued to pile rocks in him until, yeah, I believe it was that's how he died was his lungs collapsed.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, September 19th, sorry, oh night, not nineteen, sixteen ninety-two.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Sixteen ninety-two?
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: So 20 executions in total, plus guiles, plus two dogs, plus uh hundreds of more who were accused and died in jail.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: So um all of so the the Salem witch trials ended May of 1693.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, which very short amount of time.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for all of that to happen within masses.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: A little over a year.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, can you imagine like in the co this small tiny town in New England, and there's 200 people being round up, accused of being witches, many of them being executed, this guy dying in such a gruesome way.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'd be panicked.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: I would probably flee to the woods.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: And join your monkey friends.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'd be accused of a witch because they're like, well, she's the old creepy person who lives by herself.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: Remember the woman who ran away into the woods with her flying monkeys?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's really no way to get around.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: The best way to win the witch trials was to be popular.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and pretty.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you gotta Regina, Georgia, all the way.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Virginia, Georgia, that's right.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: You've gotta be like, you gotta bring your neighbors pies and compliment their ugly kids and you know oh, your your stove is so clean.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Look at this fire hearth.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Not an ash to be seen.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um did you dust?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: I love this how there's, you know, probably a lot of reasons of why the witch trials finally ended, but really steam started going down and the hysteria started going down.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: But then the governor, um, Sir William Phipps?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: Phipps, Sir William Phipps, his wife was accused.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: And that's when he was like, hell no.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: So about these whole witch trials, uh, yeah, we're gonna end on.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think this actually isn't gonna continue.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: So but I think that did help because it can't just be a coincidence that he's like, uh yeah, no, sorry, not gonna happen.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: By the way, guys, sorry.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you all are gonna get plaques and sober.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then um, yeah, and then laws got put into place and some control went back into order.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: But there was a that was an ugly bit of American history.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean it is somewhat refreshing to know it only lasted a year.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's good to know it wasn't a 10 year old thing before we finally reflected on our you know, judicial system.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um obviously nothing was perfect after that.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean nothing ever is in American history, but at least it it was only a year of this crazy hysteria.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: And As Megan said earlier, I mean this wasn't the first time of uh, you know, people being accused of witches, nor was it the last, but obviously this was the a huge mark in American history where uh I mean it was probably one of the first gruesome things that we did as a we weren't even a country yet.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: As a colony.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I wonder?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, my I wasn't listening to most of that.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: My mind was going someplace else.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go back and listen to the recording.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um I wonder why they just stuck with hangings and not like be headings or yeah, and everything like that.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean honestly.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just out of fat.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, I was thinking about this too, because you had mentioned in the last uh episode that the guillotines were the most like cutting edge type of things.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, cutting edge.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that was in the 1700s.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: So this is on the cusp.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I was thinking that maybe it's just because the quickest, cheapest way.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because you needed to get like an experienced executioner.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: You needed to have some fancy, high-paid executioner.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they were high-paid, but I'm gonna say they were.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you needed an executioner, you needed this fancy guillotine, whereas a hanging, you just need rope and like a tree, a solid tree and kick them off the car.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you wouldn't.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: They would like put them up and then they would like kick them down.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm thinking there's this whole stage, but yeah, you're right, it's probably just a tree.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: It is a tree.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's called It's on Gall Gallows Hill.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, sorry, I'm not from Massachusetts.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, so the tree is um they have speculation of where it it actually was and all of that.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: But um, it is a long branch that stuck out.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Are you talking to the tree?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna sing that.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna sing that.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a great song.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: That part can be that.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine that song as the rest of this is going on.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: Can we do history in the Hollywood?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay, I was gonna say we're so that wraps up um our Bishop, Nurse, Corey trio, our little trifecta of famous witches and wizards who were executed during the time.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, but we're gonna end with our segment, which is called Doo doo doo.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: History to His movie.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: History to Hollywood.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is our start our little fun insert here at the end, um, talking about our personal favorite witch movies, um, which there's a lot, obviously, um, but we are children of the 90s.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna kick it off with my favorite was Hocus Focus.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I knew you were gonna say.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: And real quick, I mean, because obviously this movie came out when I was definitely a kid, and it's cool that in '93 they were like, oh my god, guess what, guys?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's been 300 years exactly since the Sailing Wish trial.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: I always admire that as a movie.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh, that's you know, it's how it's all Hello's Eve, um, 1693, and this happened to come out in 1993.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: So great job.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean great job in Hollywood.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: It ended in May 1693, so they were a little odd.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it was still going on, I'm sure.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Somewhere.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm sorry, not that I believe in my Disney facts, and if Disney said it happened in All Hello on All Hello's Eve, I believe them.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: But it was filmed in '92 and released in '93.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: So that would have been correct.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, they were right.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, um, Hoax Pocus, awesome movie, great cast.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite part of Hocus Pocus is the very beginning when it's back in time.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: And when you see them get hanged and all that.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's the best part of the whole time.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Which is so funny because as a kid, I don't think I understood they were being hanged.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think Disney, obviously, Disney did that.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't know, you didn't see the gruesome, like you saw the feet.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: You saw the feet, yeah.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so I knew that they were being killed.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: I saw the ropes around their neck, but you know, my like, oh my gosh, what was it, four or five?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my little brain.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: You beast.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: You fat.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, in my kid brain, I was like, okay, they have ropes around the neck.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I kind of get where this is going, but you didn't actually see it.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you're just gonna be able to do that.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and even it was still funny, they're like, oh wow, you know, yeah.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but but very, very cool death scene in that movie, even though you don't see it.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, even cooler at the end when they all burst into glitter and color.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's very realistic.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and because it's October, that's definitely gonna be on my list of things to watch in the next probably week, but like once a week until we're gonna start watching it soon.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Until the big day.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, fantastic movie.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: I am actually I I think I keep changing my mind.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of like I I told Megan she should just go with her Heart of Hearts and say Harry Potter because there's witches and wizards in there.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's too forward.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I Harry Potter's I'm a huge, huge, huge Harry Potter fan.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: But I can't I wanted to go for like a realistic witch movie, which this isn't really what no, more about like the act like if I were a witch, what I would do.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me your what do you think?
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, I I talked about before, but I'm trying to think of a movie that more show like represents the time period back then in New England and all of that.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I I already talked about short.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, I already talked about it with you, but that movie The Witch is a very scary itch.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: It spelled sorry, I just realized that now.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: So they spell witch with like two V's.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_02: So it says V.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: Five five itch.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, no, I that movie like it's it's a slower pace, but it's so suspenseful, and it's a newer movie.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: I it's not it's not like a fluffy Halloween movie.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like very much a thriller.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: But insults in my movie.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean it's not like it's not there's no musical number in the middle of it.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now you're insulting and Frank Sinatra at the same time.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: I love Hocus Pocus.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: But I would recommend watching The Witch because it's it's paranormal, but it's kind of like if you were in the mindset of someone back in that time of what they actually thought, you know, could happen with witches and the devil and what they thought was real.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it really is real.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen this movie.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: Is the witch, the main character, in fact, 61 years old, or is she like a pretty teenage girl?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: The witch, I don't I can't like give anything out, but it's about a family who basically they're in New England in the 1600s, like likely during the time of the sandwich trials.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's the name of the movie.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they get kind of like outcasted, right?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and the very beginning starts, and this isn't spoiling anything, this is like in the trailer where the baby of the family just literally just goes, just disappears.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like as she's like playing peekaboo with the baby, she like goes peekaboo again, and then the baby's missing.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so the thing is is like something in the woods is haunting them, and there's like the witch, but then there's the accusations, and then they think it's the daughter, and yada yada, and the family is the main girl's the daughter.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: The main girl is the daughter.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I won't ask you any more questions.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give it away.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really bad at doing that.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, I just that's one thing that again I was most surprised by all of this was I really thought, like, oh, witches, they're all gonna be young, pretty girls who are like enslaving ministers, and in fact, they were just old women who uh someone had it out for.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, my second choice would not be The Witch, but The Witches.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: The roll doll.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: Angelica Houston.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Have you read that book?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Did you read the book?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I read it, and I was so afraid of that movie when I was a kid.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's terrifying.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was gonna get it.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I will say, just side note, like movies in the 80s and early 90s were so much scarier in terms of visual effects because like all that was not I don't want to say real, but prosthetic.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't just digital and all like animatronic and just crazy prosthetics.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was terrified of movies like the you know, Labyrinth and like Dark Crystal and anything that had like weird little demon goblin things that were real life and not CGI'd.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um like the witches, yeah, like the witches.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: And once we stepped into the realm of like early OOs where it was just bad CGI, like it just obviously didn't have the same effect.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there were some runners up though, I'd say.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about some other ones.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I loved The Craft when I was like an angsty tween.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was a great movie, I thought.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Teen Witch.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: Teen Witch, also really hot.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: Twee, yeah, I don't know.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: Teen Witch was great.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: I it always came on maybe I'm a Disney nerd, but like Disney United.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, practical magic, practical magic.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: Great movie.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was funny, it was one of those movies like we've had the DVD forever, and I revisited it recently, like not like super recent, but a couple years ago I like popped it back in being like, oh, I remember this movie is probably terrible.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I actually really liked it.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, actually As good as Halloween Town and Halloween Town too.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, sure.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: Debbie Random.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was never I I always watched those when I was a kid, like probably I guess middle school era, maybe when that came out.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I like, you know, it was entertaining.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: I watched them, but I never loved them.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't like super exciting to me.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: What about The Crucible with Winona Ryder?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think I saw it.
• 53:13
  unknown: Oh.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: You should watch it.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's so bad though.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like the only thing that makes it bad is Winona Ryder.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, like why I mean I get it at the time she was like a hot Hollywood actress, but she would not have been my first choice for she's just like stresses me out watching her.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: Which I guess is good.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you wanted in the movie.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: But um Where's she been, by the way?
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: Stranger Things.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, duh.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and she stresses me out in that one too.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: All right, well, great job, Elizabeth.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a great job that you um I think we have a sign-off too.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: We did, we came up with a sign-off.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: We hope you like it.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: And these are her final words.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_02: Was it final or last?
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: These are our last words.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: We posted up already.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and these are our last words.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: Any final words?
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, signing off.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: Have a good night.