Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 678: Foundations - It's Always Time to Learn Something New
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
- 0:09Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:25Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about why curiosity
- 0:29Speaker 2: and a willingness to learn might just be your best
- 0:32Speaker 2: friends in the outdoors. Man, I've had the good fortune
- 0:41Speaker 2: to get to know a few people who are pretty
- 0:43Speaker 2: successful in life that they all happen to be tied
- 0:46Speaker 2: to the outdoor industry is neither here nor there, because
- 0:48Speaker 2: these folks probably would have been successful no matter what.
- 0:51Speaker 2: They just happened to have some shared interest with folks
- 0:53Speaker 2: like me and you, and they figured out how to
- 0:55Speaker 2: do something in the outdoor space that just hadn't been
- 0:57Speaker 2: done before. Mister Ranella the most obvious example. And you know,
- 1:02Speaker 2: if you follow the dog side of things, I would
- 1:03Speaker 2: put Tom dockin right there. I'm fortunate to know several
- 1:06Speaker 2: people like those guys, and you want to know what
- 1:09Speaker 2: I think is their secrets to success curiosity. They're interested
- 1:13Speaker 2: in learning, and I think that's a powerful thing in life,
- 1:17Speaker 2: so powerful that I think we should all consider pushing
- 1:19Speaker 2: ourselves to stay curious and to learn new things, which
- 1:23Speaker 2: is what this whole episode is about. Listen. I'm not
- 1:29Speaker 2: saying this is the best reason to have kids, but
- 1:32Speaker 2: the truth is, if you want to answer a lot
- 1:34Speaker 2: of questions, have some kids. My daughters are at the
- 1:38Speaker 2: age where they ask a lot of questions, and it's
- 1:40Speaker 2: both pretty awesome and somewhat maddening. We recently watched a
- 1:45Speaker 2: movie called sixty five, which is a Hollywood thriller type
- 1:49Speaker 2: of sci fi movie that is built on a pretty
- 1:51Speaker 2: wild premise. I'm not going to spoil it for you,
- 1:55Speaker 2: but the plot is, you know, it's constructed upon an
- 1:57Speaker 2: idea that is very hard for eleven year old girls
- 2:01Speaker 2: to grasp. As an adult, you just kind of recognize
- 2:05Speaker 2: these plot points as a reason to put some characters
- 2:07Speaker 2: in a challenging environment. But for youngsters it's different. They
- 2:10Speaker 2: take things more literally, and this movie takes you right
- 2:13Speaker 2: to the age of dinosaurs, and that brings up a
- 2:16Speaker 2: lot of questions. So many in fact that I was
- 2:19Speaker 2: about ready to not watch the movie after a while
- 2:22Speaker 2: because I didn't write it, I didn't have any more
- 2:24Speaker 2: background information than anyone else, and I recognized it for
- 2:27Speaker 2: what it really was, just entertainment. But the idea around
- 2:32Speaker 2: the movie is big, and that fosters questions from kids
- 2:35Speaker 2: because they are curious, and like I said, I love that,
- 2:39Speaker 2: even though sometimes I get annoyed by it. We recently
- 2:42Speaker 2: spent some time in northern Wisconsin looking for bears and
- 2:45Speaker 2: bucks and frogs and snakes and catching a few trout.
- 2:47Speaker 2: So I got to answer a bunch of questions there
- 2:50Speaker 2: and ask a few of my own. And one of
- 2:52Speaker 2: the things we like to do when we go over
- 2:55Speaker 2: there is to fish for brook trout, and since they
- 2:57Speaker 2: are one of the few kinds of fish that I
- 2:58Speaker 2: can eat without immediately dying, we actually tried to keep
- 3:03Speaker 2: a few of them on this trip. We ended up
- 3:05Speaker 2: with five keepers, which was about right to throw on
- 3:08Speaker 2: the grill for the girls and I. And as I
- 3:10Speaker 2: cleaned those fish, we looked at their organs and what
- 3:13Speaker 2: was in their stomach, because the girls were curious and
- 3:16Speaker 2: so was I. You know, the water was low, the
- 3:18Speaker 2: bugs didn't seem to be hatching much, so I wanted
- 3:21Speaker 2: to know what those little brook trout were munching on.
- 3:23Speaker 2: Turns out they were eating some bugs and some tiny minnows,
- 3:27Speaker 2: which is, I don't know, kind of always interesting to
- 3:30Speaker 2: see when you slice open their innards. That was a
- 3:33Speaker 2: good curiosity. It was more fun than dealing with that movie,
- 3:36Speaker 2: although I can't really say why that matters much more
- 3:39Speaker 2: to me than I don't know questions based in the
- 3:42Speaker 2: Mesozoic era around a bunch of giant lizards held about
- 3:45Speaker 2: on eating some actors I don't know. Anyway, When we
- 3:49Speaker 2: weren't trout fishing, we were in the woods. And if
- 3:52Speaker 2: there is an environment more ripe for curiosity from six
- 3:55Speaker 2: gray girls or forty three year old boys, I haven't
- 3:59Speaker 2: seen it yet. We managed to find a garter snake hotspot,
- 4:03Speaker 2: which consists of two rock piles on a property I
- 4:05Speaker 2: own that harbors a high population of those very common serpents.
- 4:10Speaker 2: It also, much to one of my daughter's delight, had
- 4:13Speaker 2: quite a few shed snake skins strewn about in the rocks.
- 4:16Speaker 2: So we learned about snakes why they outgrow their skins.
- 4:20Speaker 2: Then we saw something that made me curious. There's a
- 4:23Speaker 2: property we drive by over there that always has deer
- 4:26Speaker 2: in it, and I mean always. I don't know what's
- 4:30Speaker 2: so special about it, but it is an overgrown pasture
- 4:33Speaker 2: with some apple trees and a nice pond, and just
- 4:36Speaker 2: kind of different habitat than most of the big wood
- 4:38Speaker 2: stuff around there. So in a way, I guess I
- 4:40Speaker 2: just answered my own question about what's different about it. Anyway,
- 4:44Speaker 2: while coming back from that stream on one of those
- 4:47Speaker 2: days when we went trout fishing, we all turned our
- 4:49Speaker 2: attention to that property and we saw, not surprisingly, a
- 4:54Speaker 2: mature dough standing there in the early afternoon with her
- 4:56Speaker 2: face buried in some shrubbery. When I pulled up my camera,
- 4:59Speaker 2: which was fitted with a five hundred milimeter lens, I
- 5:02Speaker 2: saw that she was greedily eating ripe raspberries, and I
- 5:07Speaker 2: mean that old girl was mowing down. And as we
- 5:11Speaker 2: watched this, I realized something. I've never seen a deer
- 5:15Speaker 2: eat raspberries. If you had asked me if they do,
- 5:19Speaker 2: I would have probably said that seems pretty likely, but
- 5:22Speaker 2: I didn't actually know that. And what was even cooler
- 5:25Speaker 2: than that, however, was that while we were watching the
- 5:28Speaker 2: dough eat some raspberries, we noticed more movement in the brush.
- 5:32Speaker 2: That's when we saw three tom turkeys pecking away at
- 5:34Speaker 2: the backside of the same raspberry bush. Again, if you
- 5:39Speaker 2: had asked me if wild turkeys eat raspberries, I just
- 5:41Speaker 2: said I don't know. Probably they probably do, but I'd
- 5:44Speaker 2: never seen it before. I've seen turkeys nom away on
- 5:47Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, including crab apples, but never berries.
- 5:50Speaker 2: In fact, I shot a hen in the fall one
- 5:52Speaker 2: time years ago after busting up a flock in southeastern
- 5:54Speaker 2: Minnesota that was just chock full of crab apples. She
- 5:58Speaker 2: even smelled like apples when I cleaned her, kind of
- 6:01Speaker 2: like when you shoot an antelope and you butcher it
- 6:02Speaker 2: and realize that the meat smells just like sage brus.
- 6:06Speaker 2: I don't know why I like that, but I do know.
- 6:09Speaker 2: These discoveries with trout and deer and turkeys, you know,
- 6:12Speaker 2: they might prove to be actionable at some time in
- 6:14Speaker 2: the future. And that's kind of how hunting content is
- 6:18Speaker 2: supposed to work. I, in my divine wisdom, figure something
- 6:23Speaker 2: out that not many people know, and then I tell
- 6:25Speaker 2: them and they all love me for it. On paper,
- 6:27Speaker 2: it goes like that, I guess, But the truth is
- 6:31Speaker 2: learning something new is good for all of us on
- 6:34Speaker 2: a few different levels. The first is that sure, knowing
- 6:38Speaker 2: deeri eat raspberries, it might lead you to some kind
- 6:40Speaker 2: of food source that you've never thought of before, and
- 6:42Speaker 2: maybe that works out pretty well on a hunt. That's
- 6:46Speaker 2: a good thing, and it's like almost transactional. But it's
- 6:51Speaker 2: also good to just learn new stuff for the sake
- 6:53Speaker 2: of doing it. It's good for the brain to pack
- 6:56Speaker 2: in some new interesting information. I think is a speed
- 7:00Speaker 2: She's we're kind of at a crossroads with curiosity and
- 7:02Speaker 2: new information. We really don't need to learn very much
- 7:06Speaker 2: because we have all the intellectual wealth of our entire
- 7:09Speaker 2: existence packed right into our phones. We don't really need
- 7:13Speaker 2: to know how I don't know radiocarbon dating works anymore
- 7:17Speaker 2: than we need to know how to do algebra, because
- 7:19Speaker 2: we have a device that can, at any moment do
- 7:23Speaker 2: all that intellectual heavy lifting for us. But that's also
- 7:27Speaker 2: a detriment to our existence, because if you want to
- 7:30Speaker 2: do something challenging like kill a bull elk or arrow
- 7:33Speaker 2: a mature white tailed buck, or learn to play guitar
- 7:36Speaker 2: or run a ten k in under forty eight minutes,
- 7:39Speaker 2: you can learn all about those tasks and pursuits. But
- 7:43Speaker 2: Apple hasn't made a product yet that will actually get
- 7:46Speaker 2: you to the goal. That's on you, my friends. And
- 7:50Speaker 2: it's not the big goals and the big wins and
- 7:53Speaker 2: the really paradigm shifting things you learn that matter. Well,
- 7:58Speaker 2: they could, but they don't. Usually it's the little stuff
- 8:01Speaker 2: that we do that we get better at, that we
- 8:03Speaker 2: challenge ourselves with, that makes the whole thing better. Let
- 8:08Speaker 2: me give you an example. I'm weirdly obsessed with calling
- 8:12Speaker 2: in turkeys. I love the conversation so much that I
- 8:17Speaker 2: have zero interest in killing them any other way than
- 8:20Speaker 2: talking them in. And I know you can bushwhack them.
- 8:23Speaker 2: I know you can scout them out and put some
- 8:25Speaker 2: good decoys and not make a sound and birds will
- 8:29Speaker 2: still come in. That doesn't do anything for me anymore.
- 8:33Speaker 2: I want to call them. And to call them, you
- 8:35Speaker 2: have to learn to speak like them. But you don't
- 8:38Speaker 2: just pick up a new mouth call and suddenly have
- 8:41Speaker 2: meaningful conversations with wild turkeys in a bunch of different situations.
- 8:46Speaker 2: You have to learn to yelp about seven thousand different ways,
- 8:50Speaker 2: and cut and purr and bubble, cluck and gobble and
- 8:53Speaker 2: say everything a turkey might say, but you're not done there.
- 8:58Speaker 2: You still have to learn not only how to say
- 9:00Speaker 2: those things really well anytime it's necessary, but also understand
- 9:05Speaker 2: when the time is right to say one thing and
- 9:08Speaker 2: not another. It's a never ending pursuit, and it involves
- 9:12Speaker 2: not only messing with a bunch of different turkey calls,
- 9:16Speaker 2: but getting in a position to listen to and talk
- 9:19Speaker 2: to wild birds. It's a skill I personally love to
- 9:23Speaker 2: work on, and I think it's helped me when I
- 9:25Speaker 2: elkon of course, but also when I try to call deer,
- 9:28Speaker 2: and I honestly think it's helped me become a better
- 9:30Speaker 2: dog trainer, as crazy as that sounds. And it all
- 9:33Speaker 2: starts with a little goal of, say, kind of learning
- 9:38Speaker 2: how to purr and cluck on command with a mouth
- 9:40Speaker 2: call or maybe a slate call. It's simple, right, but
- 9:44Speaker 2: it's really not, and it's not just to get a
- 9:47Speaker 2: few more beards and fans in the old trophy room.
- 9:51Speaker 2: Being curious about new stuff in the outdoors is your
- 9:54Speaker 2: gateway to two things, enjoying it more and getting better
- 9:59Speaker 2: and leave me. Those two go hand in hand. This
- 10:03Speaker 2: is the driver behind some of the best deer hunters
- 10:06Speaker 2: who all have names. You folks know, we think that
- 10:10Speaker 2: a rock solid work ethic is the key to scouting
- 10:13Speaker 2: a lot and listen. It's definitely a component, but it's
- 10:17Speaker 2: also just wondering what's going on on a certain ridge
- 10:22Speaker 2: or the edge of a certain swamp, or where a
- 10:25Speaker 2: specific buck who happened to show himself in the field
- 10:28Speaker 2: last night spends the middle of his day when the
- 10:30Speaker 2: sun is overhead. And what he does on the nights
- 10:33Speaker 2: when he doesn't pop into the beans at last light
- 10:36Speaker 2: with a few of his velvet antler buddies. What does
- 10:39Speaker 2: he do in his day? Where does he live? Does
- 10:43Speaker 2: he eat raspberries at some point? Probably if they are
- 10:46Speaker 2: available in your neck of the woods. Asking questions is
- 10:50Speaker 2: a start, but it's mostly just a jumping off point
- 10:54Speaker 2: to really learning, And the more you learn, the better
- 10:57Speaker 2: things get. What do you not know that you're curious about?
- 11:13Speaker 2: What skill do you wish you had that you just don't.
- 11:17Speaker 2: If you're listening to a guy like me talk about hunting,
- 11:20Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go on a limb and say, you
- 11:22Speaker 2: probably have a few holes in your game. What are they?
- 11:26Speaker 2: One of the biggest holes in my game that I've
- 11:28Speaker 2: talked about quite a bit. Is buck betting. I know
- 11:31Speaker 2: I've brought this up a bunch, partially because it bothers me.
- 11:36Speaker 2: I need to learn to think about betting differently and
- 11:39Speaker 2: infuse that in my scouting efforts. You know, sometimes I
- 11:42Speaker 2: stumble across beds while I'm scouting, and I plug that
- 11:45Speaker 2: into my strategies, but it's usually a happy accident and
- 11:49Speaker 2: there's not a lot of intention behind that. I need
- 11:52Speaker 2: to try to get better at figuring out where to
- 11:54Speaker 2: your bed, and that's something that I'm not likely to
- 11:57Speaker 2: master anytime soon. Popp into my head quite often when
- 12:01Speaker 2: I'm in the woods, and I like that. I like
- 12:04Speaker 2: that when we were trout fishing in Wisconsin and we
- 12:06Speaker 2: went into a stream that winds its way through thousands
- 12:09Speaker 2: of acres of National forest, that I got to see
- 12:12Speaker 2: a deer stand up out of a bed and run away.
- 12:15Speaker 2: And that's not the first year I've seen there, and
- 12:18Speaker 2: it's not a place I ever considered hunting before. But
- 12:22Speaker 2: I'm trying to learn more about betting, and I think
- 12:25Speaker 2: that spot has unbelievable access for a morning hunt. See
- 12:28Speaker 2: how that's starting to come together. I also think that
- 12:31Speaker 2: just about every hunter in the county drives right past
- 12:33Speaker 2: that area to get to better quote unquote better hunting grounds.
- 12:39Speaker 2: There's a lot to be curious about out there, and
- 12:41Speaker 2: there's a lot to learn. I'm also curious about decoying
- 12:45Speaker 2: deer in the early season two. I'm sure a lot
- 12:48Speaker 2: of you probably heard, but mediatter recently bought Dave Smith decoys.
- 12:52Speaker 2: I've used their turkey decoys for a long time, and honestly,
- 12:55Speaker 2: without question, I believe they are the best on the market.
- 13:00Speaker 2: Even explain that in detail to my wife when I
- 13:03Speaker 2: bought a flock of them right after the girls were
- 13:05Speaker 2: born and she saw what they cost. And while they
- 13:10Speaker 2: are known for their turkey and goose decoys, the boys
- 13:13Speaker 2: at DST also happen to have a couple of deer decoys.
- 13:16Speaker 2: One is a buck and one is a dough. Now,
- 13:18Speaker 2: the buck looks bigger than most of the books I
- 13:20Speaker 2: tend to shoot in any given year, but the dough
- 13:23Speaker 2: is a small, perfectly crafted replica. I'm curious and I
- 13:28Speaker 2: intend to find out if I can use that decoy
- 13:31Speaker 2: in a food source in mid September to help me
- 13:34Speaker 2: either call in a buck or just shoot a curious
- 13:37Speaker 2: dough that might come down to it. Now, I know
- 13:40Speaker 2: you're not supposed to use decoys outside of the rut
- 13:43Speaker 2: or the pre rut, but I'm curious about it. I'm
- 13:46Speaker 2: curious if that's actually true or not. I want to
- 13:49Speaker 2: learn if there is an application for running an ultra
- 13:52Speaker 2: realistic dough decoy when it's not late October or sometime
- 13:55Speaker 2: in November. And I might be wrong, I might be right.
- 14:00Speaker 2: I intend to learn one way or the other, because
- 14:02Speaker 2: if it works out, I'll have just another tool in
- 14:05Speaker 2: the old kit. So what are you curious about? Maybe
- 14:11Speaker 2: it's as simple as learning more about I don't know
- 14:13Speaker 2: tree identification. I'm not a big tree guy. I like
- 14:18Speaker 2: the woods for the animals and the experience. But I
- 14:21Speaker 2: also realize that knowing the difference between a red oak
- 14:24Speaker 2: and a white oak is a pretty straightforward way to
- 14:27Speaker 2: have a little better strategy throughout much of the season.
- 14:32Speaker 2: Are you in a spot we're learning a little more
- 14:34Speaker 2: about the trees in your area on your deer ground
- 14:37Speaker 2: might benefit you as a hunter. Or maybe you're curious
- 14:41Speaker 2: about a little water hole somewhere and you need to
- 14:43Speaker 2: drop a camera there to answer some questions. Maybe you
- 14:46Speaker 2: want a grunt in an early season buck as their
- 14:48Speaker 2: bachelor groups start to break up. Are you confident with
- 14:52Speaker 2: a grunt two? Are you curious how you can make
- 14:55Speaker 2: that happen. Maybe you're a lifelong ladder stand hunter and
- 15:00Speaker 2: you're curious about the mobile hunting craze. There's only one
- 15:03Speaker 2: way to find out if it's the right move for you.
- 15:06Speaker 2: You know, learn how to quickly set up some sticks
- 15:08Speaker 2: and a lightweight stand or a saddle. Maybe that's a
- 15:11Speaker 2: skill you should develop if you're curious about it. It
- 15:15Speaker 2: definitely won't hinder your chances of killing deer from here
- 15:18Speaker 2: until you're in a nursing home. I'll tell you that much.
- 15:22Speaker 2: What is something you're curious about? What do you want
- 15:24Speaker 2: to learn? I think forcing yourself to stay curious is
- 15:28Speaker 2: much better than filling in the blanks, which we humans
- 15:32Speaker 2: do all the time. We've done it since we started
- 15:36Speaker 2: keeping records, probably way before that, and it's just not
- 15:39Speaker 2: a great way to advance ourselves. It's comfortable, it's easy,
- 15:45Speaker 2: but it's the folks who question lots of stuff and
- 15:48Speaker 2: who are curious why I don't know. And apple falls
- 15:51Speaker 2: out of a tree and hits them on the head
- 15:53Speaker 2: versus floating up into the clouds that really moves us
- 15:56Speaker 2: as a species and as individuals into a more knowledgeable space.
- 16:02Speaker 2: There has to be something this summer, as we wind
- 16:06Speaker 2: our way to another fall on another hunting season, that
- 16:10Speaker 2: you want to learn or start learning. It might be
- 16:13Speaker 2: as simple as a part of a property that you've
- 16:16Speaker 2: hunted for a long time that you just don't quite
- 16:19Speaker 2: utilize or quite understand. Or maybe it's getting really used
- 16:23Speaker 2: to a saddle, or learning how to shoot your bow
- 16:26Speaker 2: in low light at random distances, or I don't know.
- 16:30Speaker 2: Instead of blazing through the woods looking for big picture
- 16:33Speaker 2: deer sign, you want to learn to slow down and
- 16:37Speaker 2: notice the nipped off tops of certain kinds of plants. Well,
- 16:40Speaker 2: what kind of plants are they? Why are the deer
- 16:43Speaker 2: eating them now? And when do they eat it? Where
- 16:47Speaker 2: do they come from, how do they leave? Where do
- 16:50Speaker 2: they go next? Don't think of this as something that
- 16:55Speaker 2: comes from me, or a scouting style from somebody like
- 16:59Speaker 2: Andy May that you can emulate. Think of it as
- 17:01Speaker 2: you fostering your own curiosity in life and taking that
- 17:05Speaker 2: with you into the woods. Like when you read one
- 17:08Speaker 2: of Cormack McCarthy's novels and I think you should google
- 17:12Speaker 2: half the words that you read to see what they mean,
- 17:15Speaker 2: because you've probably never heard them before. When you talk
- 17:17Speaker 2: about something that we take for granted, like the sun
- 17:20Speaker 2: is ninety three million is miles away from earth, do
- 17:24Speaker 2: yourself a favor. Ask yourself, how the hell do we
- 17:27Speaker 2: know that? How do we figure something like that out
- 17:31Speaker 2: so long long ago? What methods did those people use?
- 17:35Speaker 2: The more you ask why, the more you're likely to
- 17:39Speaker 2: try to find an answer. And the more you do that,
- 17:42Speaker 2: the more you realize that curiosity is a gift and
- 17:45Speaker 2: it often leads to the development of more skills. Instead
- 17:49Speaker 2: of googling everything and not learning much, you're learning much
- 17:53Speaker 2: and not googling everything that's important in life, and it'll
- 17:56Speaker 2: make you better in the outdoors. It'll make you better
- 18:00Speaker 2: at woodsmanship, and that's a huge benefit if you place
- 18:03Speaker 2: some value on walking into the woods without fresh venison
- 18:06Speaker 2: and leaving with a whole lot of it. So stay curious,
- 18:10Speaker 2: my friends, Take a look at your hunting life and
- 18:13Speaker 2: your life in general, and figure out a few things
- 18:16Speaker 2: you should learn or a few skills you can develop.
- 18:19Speaker 2: Then work on that stuff, work on getting better in
- 18:22Speaker 2: your own way, figure it out, figure out how to
- 18:26Speaker 2: get better and listen in the next week because I'm
- 18:31Speaker 2: going to keep dumping out the contents of my brain
- 18:33Speaker 2: and the hopes that you and I together can have
- 18:35Speaker 2: our best season. Ever, how's that sound. That's it for
- 18:41Speaker 2: this week, my friends. I'm Tony Peterson. This has been
- 18:43Speaker 2: the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast, which has brought to
- 18:45Speaker 2: you by First Light. As always, I want to thank
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