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Election HERstory · GAS MONEY

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to another installment of Gas Money.
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SPEAKER_02: We got Chubbs in the building.
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SPEAKER_02: We got Zad on the mic.
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SPEAKER_02: We got KOcho on the mic.
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SPEAKER_05: Hey guys, we also have my sister Casey on the mic.
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SPEAKER_05: Hey guys, what's up?
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SPEAKER_05: We got Ace in the building.
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SPEAKER_00: What's happening, everybody?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm here shortly.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, um, how was everybody's weekends?
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SPEAKER_02: Even though this is already the weekend.
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SPEAKER_02: My weekend was amazing.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so your Friday was amazing.
0:39
SPEAKER_02: We're recording on a Saturday, guys.
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SPEAKER_02: If it sounds a little off, you know, that's why.
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SPEAKER_02: Or it's the dick smoke in the room, or it's the drinks we've been drinking, or it's the tense meeting we had before the podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: But this would be still another, you know, great installment.
0:53
SPEAKER_02: So can we talk about um I just want to go straight into it, guys, if you guys don't mind.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna actually defer to the political pundit we have in the room, the expert K8.
1:05
SPEAKER_02: Explain to us what the fuck happened on election night.
1:08
SPEAKER_03: AKA Miss Encyclopedia.
1:10
SPEAKER_05: Here we go.
1:14
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so um mind you, the midterm elections still aren't aren't over because there's still seats in Florida that um are due for a re- automatic recount.
1:23
SPEAKER_05: Why is it always always fucking Florida?
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:28
SPEAKER_00: Um because they're corrupt and they've been run by Bushes for way too long, although it may not seem as though they're running.
1:35
SPEAKER_01: Is Miami in this or did Miami already?
1:37
SPEAKER_01: Miami is uh is blue.
1:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's like if you look at the map, I think it's what Orlando is blue.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: The weird part about Florida though, um the amount of Democrats versus Republicans in Florida is it it's not balanced, but at the same time, by the time the votes get in, it's always what is what a 0.2 difference in voting.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: What was it?
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SPEAKER_05: For the for the Senate seat, yeah.
2:00
SPEAKER_00: For the Senate, it was like a point two and that point two percent uh difference was twenty thousand people.
2:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the Democrat um And Democrats overrun the state, yeah, and he's being a vote.
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SPEAKER_00: So if Democrats voted, there would be a landslide and no no real chance.
2:16
SPEAKER_00: So we're just gonna say that people didn't vote.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: Nah, the votes are in the swamp.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: The alligators are fucking the votes up right now.
2:21
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so the issue thing, I think a lot of the younger generations did vote, but it's like Republicans just have a more reliable voter turnout than Democrats in this country, sadly.
2:33
SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah, we'll see, because they're doing if it's if it's uh under or about around, I think, under 2.5, um, under 0.25 um difference, then they have to do a hand, they have to do a hand recount votes.
2:48
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because you're not you're not trusting the machines.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: So it's like exactly conspiracy chubs and three.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna trust two hand count one that Bush been running.
2:57
SPEAKER_01: So which that nigga gonna push Where's Bush?
3:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
3:01
SPEAKER_01: His name is Jeb.
3:02
SPEAKER_01: But that nigga gonna pay.
3:03
SPEAKER_05: No, mind you, both both places they have lawyers that they bring.
3:06
SPEAKER_05: So this is how it's kind of broken out.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not like so.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people say, like, well, not a lot of, but some people say that they don't trust the election.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: All right.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: They go to saying that they don't trust the electronic ballot or the paper ballot because someone could just say that they uh didn't count a hundred and they counted fifty.
3:26
SPEAKER_02: Alright, fuck all that.
3:27
SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about the positive shit.
3:29
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, well, um, so basically we'll see what happens in Florida, but it's crazy.
3:35
SPEAKER_05: Um, but just because, like, you know, Andrew Gillam was he was um the black candidate who's a Democrat.
3:41
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
3:42
SPEAKER_05: And the other guy was just like he clearly had racist affiliates.
3:45
SPEAKER_05: That's a monkey.
3:46
SPEAKER_05: And that's what he Yeah, exactly.
3:47
SPEAKER_05: Like he said blatantly racist shit and was acting like nah, he didn't like I don't think it's racist if it's funny.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: That nigga said, Nah, that's not your intention.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: He's talking about still racist.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, wait, no, let me ask you a question, y'all.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: So was it racist in the NBA when that commentator said that nigga's out his picking mug?
4:10
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he said cotton picking mug out of his cotton picking mug.
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SPEAKER_01: Not racist.
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SPEAKER_05: Yes.
4:16
SPEAKER_05: That's a term that's been used down this.
4:18
SPEAKER_01: That's the term that they use in that case.
4:21
SPEAKER_01: That they who use still opening.
4:24
SPEAKER_01: I heard that when I was younger.
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SPEAKER_05: There's people that are going to be offended, so yes.
4:28
SPEAKER_05: Nah, we can't go.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, and if people are making light out of a very serious, but I'm just saying if you're not people are gonna be offended.
4:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but yeah.
4:37
SPEAKER_04: No, but that's what are you talking about?
4:38
SPEAKER_05: Slavery isn't something to be offended by.
4:40
SPEAKER_05: You're making a lighthearted joke on it, like no.
4:42
SPEAKER_01: He didn't use that in the city.
4:43
SPEAKER_05: You're in a you're in a political, you're in a public venue.
4:47
SPEAKER_01: Explain to the people what you really mean.
4:48
SPEAKER_01: If my nigga says, What up, my nigga, Darius, I don't take it offensive because he's not saying, yo, nigga.
4:54
SPEAKER_02: You're a couple of things.
4:55
SPEAKER_01: Alright, we're gonna get back to this.
4:56
SPEAKER_05: There was, he could have used another reference in his debate.
4:59
SPEAKER_05: You didn't exactly like my nigga's something like that.
5:02
SPEAKER_05: Let's hear the positive news of this midterm election.
5:04
SPEAKER_05: Oh, yeah, so a lot of people.
5:05
SPEAKER_05: Here we go with the facts.
5:07
SPEAKER_05: Here we go, here we go.
5:08
SPEAKER_08: She got a whole notebook written down.
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SPEAKER_08: Oh my gosh, he straight ahead.
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SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm all about facts.
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SPEAKER_05: Karen is a fact.
5:16
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
5:17
SPEAKER_08: The issue is the problem is that.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
5:27
SPEAKER_05: This is not what this country should be about.
5:28
SPEAKER_05: Because again, you have people believing shit that isn't true.
5:31
SPEAKER_00: And the majority problematic and the majority of his uninformed followers believe every bit of it.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: Once I hear that word problematic, I stopped listening, honestly.
5:41
SPEAKER_05: So the positive thing is that although although um the Republicans hold control of the Senate and Congress, the Democrats gained control of the House of Representatives.
5:54
SPEAKER_05: And it's been controlled by the Republicans um since four or eight years.
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SPEAKER_05: So now during the Trump presidency, they can block a lot of his legislative um proposals because um the Senate and the House of Representatives have to agree on a bill.
6:09
SPEAKER_03: One question.
6:10
SPEAKER_03: Subpoenas, they can also investigate.
6:13
SPEAKER_02: So during the Trump administration, he had the House and the Senate still couldn't get the wall built.
6:21
SPEAKER_05: Well, the issue is one, money.
6:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
6:24
SPEAKER_05: Where who's gonna who's gonna the thing is they have to budget.
6:27
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
6:28
SPEAKER_05: So they the thing is a lot, there's a lot of Republicans that do not like Trump.
6:32
SPEAKER_05: They're not idiots.
6:33
SPEAKER_05: There's a lot of Republicans that aren't idiots, so they're not gonna blatantly just approve shit just because he puts it on the table if it's not one fiscally possible that they don't have the money to do it.
6:43
SPEAKER_05: Because at first he said he's gonna get Mexico to pay.
6:45
SPEAKER_05: Why the hell is Mexico bound to pay for a wall that they don't want?
6:49
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
6:50
SPEAKER_05: So one, and then um another thing, especially with him trying to repeal Obamacare, he didn't have a concrete replacement for Obamacare.
6:59
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
6:59
SPEAKER_05: He just wanted to get rid of it.
7:00
SPEAKER_05: So, one, they're not gonna approve something if you don't have something better.
7:03
SPEAKER_03: I feel like the beginning of his presidency was just repealing everything Obama did, like that was his only agenda.
7:09
SPEAKER_03: Because he had no new ideas, no new propositions, no new bills.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: That's why he got elected.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, he wasn't a politician.
7:17
SPEAKER_05: He's a businessman, not a politician.
7:18
SPEAKER_07: Mind you, he's like, barely a businessman at that.
7:21
SPEAKER_07: He inherited everything that he has.
7:23
SPEAKER_07: And then a lot of his stuff defended.
7:25
SPEAKER_02: Trump invented the term wilding, all right?
7:27
SPEAKER_02: Y'all think he's gonna remember Trump.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: Trump is a New Yorker.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: He invented wilding.
7:33
SPEAKER_02: I think it's wilding.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: That's Trump.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: Y'all better stop monkeying around on his name.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: Yo, you a white man.
7:38
SPEAKER_05: So, you know, another thing that they could do controlling the House of Representatives, so now they can look into Trump's administration, his business affairs, ask for his tax returns, which he never wanted to release, so they can find out all that stuff.
7:50
SPEAKER_05: Um, but now back to a lot of the women that were elected into Congress.
7:54
SPEAKER_05: It was like over a hundred women were elected.
7:57
SPEAKER_05: Yes, sir.
7:57
SPEAKER_05: Mostly Democrats.
8:02
SPEAKER_00: That's pretty dope.
8:03
SPEAKER_05: So we have the first African-American woman to represent Massachusetts, um, the first African-American American woman to represent Connecticut.
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SPEAKER_05: We have two of the youngest women.
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SPEAKER_05: Um both of them were 29.
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SPEAKER_05: We have the first Latina to represent Texas.
8:17
SPEAKER_05: Whoa.
8:18
SPEAKER_05: And we have um two Muslim American women that represent um the House of Representatives.
8:26
SPEAKER_01: And it was about the city for New York?
8:28
SPEAKER_05: It was about over a hundred women that were elected into Congress, and about 38 to 42 were women of color.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and two other Native American the first Native American women that were elected.
8:38
SPEAKER_05: And one was a New Mexico and Kansas.
8:41
SPEAKER_07: And one one of the one of the names.
8:42
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, one of them was an open lesbian.
8:44
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
8:44
SPEAKER_05: And then the first gay governor.
8:47
SPEAKER_02: What state?
8:48
SPEAKER_05: In Colorado.
8:49
SPEAKER_05: Wait, we got a gay governor.
8:50
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sir.
8:52
SPEAKER_02: Jared Polis.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: Wait, what's wrong with a gay governor?
8:55
SPEAKER_02: What's wrong with a gay governor?
8:57
SPEAKER_01: I ain't say nothing.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: I just said you said, uh, no, they can't do that.
9:02
SPEAKER_02: That's not how it works.
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SPEAKER_07: So I would take these midterms as a win.
9:06
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, win the whole.
9:07
SPEAKER_07: I mean, we're Trump took it as a W.
9:09
SPEAKER_07: We won the battle, but we'll see.
9:10
SPEAKER_05: But again, that's just him pushing his agenda.
9:13
SPEAKER_05: Like he's like, he's acting like it was so successful.
9:18
SPEAKER_02: Don't disrespect your white master, right?
9:20
SPEAKER_05: Also, do you know Trump just tries to spin everything into his favor?
9:23
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, even when it's not you.
9:25
SPEAKER_05: So you guys remember in 2012, um, where that kid um was shot in a gas station for playing his music too loud?
9:32
SPEAKER_01: Wait, wait, what?
9:33
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, in 2012, there was a kid, I think his name was Jordan Davis.
9:40
SPEAKER_05: So his mother ran for Congress and won.
9:43
SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm saying.
9:43
SPEAKER_05: She won't be able to do it.
9:46
SPEAKER_05: Georgia in Georgia.
9:47
SPEAKER_05: Georgia.
9:48
SPEAKER_05: Wow, shout out to you.
9:54
SPEAKER_05: She won, so good for her.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: So she's actually actively, she's like on a mission to so you would you would say this was a successful voter turnout for both sides, or just um the liberal side, Democrat.
10:10
SPEAKER_05: I would say definitely a success for the liberal side.
10:13
SPEAKER_05: Um there's still issues that we still need more people to vote, just because, like we were saying, those margins are getting super, super, super tight.
10:21
SPEAKER_05: It's like one.
10:22
SPEAKER_05: And mind you, like us getting even that close is a success and progress.
10:26
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
10:27
SPEAKER_05: But again, we still need more people to turn out and vote.
10:30
SPEAKER_02: So as a person that does not know the issues, right?
10:34
SPEAKER_02: Let's say the day of I don't have the time to research who to vote for, and I'm a liberal Democrat person.
10:41
SPEAKER_02: Do you think that's appropriate for me to just vote liberal because vote democrat because I'm liberal?
10:47
SPEAKER_02: Or should I just not vote at all if I don't know the policies?
10:50
SPEAKER_05: Mind you, I think everybody has time to look into it.
10:54
SPEAKER_05: We know when the elections are, like everybody has time to do bullshit, go on Instagram, do whatever you want.
11:01
SPEAKER_05: So I think you just have to all you need is uh either a couple days, um, but all you gotta do is at least look into your district, like who's gonna be your representative?
11:11
SPEAKER_05: You also vote for judges, right?
11:14
SPEAKER_05: So, and you know the governors and the senate.
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SPEAKER_05: So it's like it's really not that many people that you have to look into.
11:19
SPEAKER_05: And then what a lot of people tell you to do is look at issues.
11:22
SPEAKER_05: So, what issues are you passionate about?
11:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and then you look at the candidates who are supporting those issues, so that's a little easier.
11:29
SPEAKER_05: Like, if you don't want to research a whole bunch of things, just look into the candidate look at the issues that you're passionate about and see who's fighting for that.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, that pretty much covers the election.
11:40
SPEAKER_02: That has been politics with K-8.
11:42
SPEAKER_05: Well, actually, one more thing.
11:43
SPEAKER_05: Another one more thing, because this is a big thing.
11:46
SPEAKER_05: So, since we don't know what some of the races how some of the races stand in Florida, they did pass amendment four.
11:53
SPEAKER_09: Oh, yeah, that is very important.
11:54
SPEAKER_09: Oh, that's a huge one.
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SPEAKER_05: Wow, yeah, so that was 1.4 million ex-felons, and I think it's for nonviolent crimes.
12:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh, so it's only nonviolent?
12:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I think so.
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SPEAKER_02: Drug classifies as what?
12:07
SPEAKER_02: Nonviolent.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Non-violent, yeah, nonviolent.
12:09
SPEAKER_02: Violence like assault.
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SPEAKER_02: Nigga, I know what violence is, nigga.
12:12
SPEAKER_02: But some people can make the argument that drugs are violence.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: Because they sell it to I see what you're saying.
12:17
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
12:18
SPEAKER_05: So that makes that'll probably make a really big difference for the next election because look how close the governor's race and the senate race are.
12:25
SPEAKER_05: And most of them will probably be Democrats.
12:27
SPEAKER_05: Because it's literally like 15,000 um voting difference in the Senate race, and I think it's like 35,000 or 36 in the governor's race.
12:36
SPEAKER_05: So all you need is a few more votes.
12:38
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
12:39
SPEAKER_02: So convicts, get out there and vote.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: Apologize that you guys are convicts in the first place, but that's between you and your parents.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, that has been politics with KH.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: But on a on a serious note, guys, there was uh another mass shooting in America.
12:57
SPEAKER_02: Um can't surprise there.
12:58
SPEAKER_02: Can somebody give me the details?
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SPEAKER_05: So it was um in Thousand Oaks, California, which is where the fire is currently, too.
13:07
SPEAKER_05: Oh my goodness.
13:08
SPEAKER_05: Um they're just having yeah, it's been a shitty week.
13:11
SPEAKER_05: Um, so what happened is this, I think he was an ex-marine.
13:15
SPEAKER_05: He was 28 years old, and he was lazy.
13:18
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and it was like borderline, I think the name was Borderline Bar and Grill.
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SPEAKER_05: They were having a country uh music event for college students there, and he shot up the place, killed, I believe it was I'm getting conflicting um reports.
13:33
SPEAKER_05: It might be 12 or 13, and one of them included a sergeant.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: His his thirteen included himself.
13:38
SPEAKER_05: Including the sergeant.
13:39
SPEAKER_01: No, including including the okay, the shooter.
13:41
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so then 13.
13:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay, good research, Chubbs, you know.
13:44
SPEAKER_02: You're the white representative in the room.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: I had to do my research due to a fact that there was a story that came up.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: These are the shooting in Vegas so happens, and I'm saying so happens because I don't believe it.
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SPEAKER_01: Conspiracy Chubbs so happens that he's at this shooting.
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SPEAKER_02: Two one.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: Now it's sad that, you know, a mass shooting happened, people lose their lives, but I feel like the government is making a fool of everybody and making a mockery of this shit.
14:12
SPEAKER_01: Because in my opinion, there's no I do not believe that every time we have a mass shooting or two in a year, there's somebody that ends up at both.
14:21
SPEAKER_08: There's actually been 307 mass shooting this year alone.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: But this is my thing.
14:27
SPEAKER_05: That's extremely high.
14:27
SPEAKER_05: That's almost a mass shooting a day.
14:29
SPEAKER_02: No, but is that high for America or is that just average?
14:31
SPEAKER_05: No, that's high.
14:31
SPEAKER_05: It's incredible.
14:32
SPEAKER_05: It's increasing.
14:33
SPEAKER_05: I believe like if you were looking at the stats from like 2000 to 2010, I think it was probably like probably around like 300 just for those 10 years.
14:43
SPEAKER_05: This is one year.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
14:44
SPEAKER_05: So it's increasing.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: Now let me ask you hold on, hold on.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: Before you talk, I just want to go around the room, and there's two arguments here.
14:52
SPEAKER_02: There's the conspiracy side, and there's the practical side.
14:56
SPEAKER_02: So who is on the conspiracy side of the argument?
14:59
SPEAKER_02: So you're on the conspiracy side.
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SPEAKER_01: Conspiracy side being what?
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SPEAKER_01: That you believe it's set up by the government somewhat because it just so happens that there's somebody that's always at these mass shootings that's always at the next one.
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SPEAKER_02: That something is afoot.
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SPEAKER_05: Because there was a guy who survived.
15:14
SPEAKER_02: That doesn't have to be the only reason, though.
15:16
SPEAKER_05: There was the guy who survived the Las Vegas shooting last year, but he got killed in this shooting.
15:21
SPEAKER_05: What I was explaining to Chubbs before was that both of these were country music events.
15:28
SPEAKER_05: The last vague the Las Vegas one was a big event where people travel to.
15:33
SPEAKER_05: It was a big, big concert.
15:34
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
15:34
SPEAKER_05: So he's a country music enthusiast.
15:36
SPEAKER_05: He could have lived in California, traveled to Las Vegas like everybody else did.
15:40
SPEAKER_05: And that's that far.
15:44
SPEAKER_05: So it's not impossible.
15:46
SPEAKER_05: He like it caters to the same crowd.
15:49
SPEAKER_05: And because the rate is so high, it's like it makes that you could be caught up in more than one.
15:53
SPEAKER_07: Exactly.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you a simple question.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Explain the Sandy Hook guy.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: What's your unpack that?
16:00
SPEAKER_01: They don't know what you're talking about.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: Basically, the guy that was at Sandy Hook was at the shoot, the mash room that happened previously that year at the second one, and then they found out he wasn't even a high school student.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:11
SPEAKER_05: Wait, what?
16:12
SPEAKER_02: So there was a guy that was uh interviewed during Sandy Hook, and then they realized that he was also present for the previous shooting that year.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember what what it was called, and he was claiming to be a high school student at Sandy Hook.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: No, not at Sandy Hook, it was at the previous shooting.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: The previous shooting.
16:28
SPEAKER_02: And they figured out he wasn't even enrolled in that school.
16:31
SPEAKER_02: Wasn't even at age.
16:32
SPEAKER_02: So there's this whole conspiracy of crisis actors.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: And I believe that there definitely is crisis actors because there's been but he's trying to say that something is afoot with this particular shooting because of this guy, coincidentally or not coincidentally, being at both of these shootings.
16:50
SPEAKER_05: Well, he was killed, so he's not on action.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: But this is my thing.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
16:55
SPEAKER_01: We had what 370 said this year?
16:57
SPEAKER_01: How many did you really hear about?
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SPEAKER_05: It depends on the quantity.
17:01
SPEAKER_05: A mass shooting is killing more, I believe it's more than four people.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: So wait, the stats you guys gave us was mass shootings or shootings in general?
17:07
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, mass shootings.
17:09
SPEAKER_05: So mass shootings are more than four people being killed.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so out of the 300s, how many of them can we hear about Vegas and California?
17:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't think that means that they're false and I think they're not.
17:20
SPEAKER_05: No, there was also the Parkland shooting.
17:23
SPEAKER_05: That's the one with the Jewish people with the church?
17:25
SPEAKER_05: No, it wasn't school.
17:26
SPEAKER_05: No.
17:26
SPEAKER_05: That was the synagogue like a couple weeks ago.
17:29
SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm saying.
17:29
SPEAKER_05: In Pittsburgh.
17:30
SPEAKER_05: No, that's what I'm saying.
17:31
SPEAKER_05: So that's the thing.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Now, the one that happened with the Jewish.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: How much how much airtime did they pump into that?
17:37
SPEAKER_00: How much time did they pump it out to the public?
17:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, the the question at hand is whether we believe it's a conspiracy or not.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: So I don't think um I think that's too much to say that all of this shit is a conspiracy, right?
17:51
SPEAKER_00: What you can say is that media does take its opportunities to push their agenda or their views or interview who they feel like they want to interview, even though the person may not have just for the views, yeah.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: The person may not have even didn't have a lot of people.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: So you think all of the shoes were conspiracies.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: Now that's way too much work.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: Now I'm gonna hit you with a rebuttal, right?
18:11
SPEAKER_01: Rebuttal.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna hit you with a rebuttal.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna say we can't say that they're conspiracies because this, that, and third.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay, now look at the guy that just had the whole bombing situation, sending bombing to presence.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: How the fuck did he get all the president's address?
18:23
SPEAKER_01: That's not hard.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: It's not hard.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: If you are president, if I am Barack Obama, you think my address is gonna be out there to find?
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Okay, then so how does he find it?
18:34
SPEAKER_01: He didn't work with the government, had no ties with the government, but he got the address and everywhere to send bombs.
18:39
SPEAKER_02: He could have worked at UPS.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: How long has a President Obama uh when was he when was he elected?
18:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember exactly, but he was in it for eight years.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: He was in it for eight years.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: Or to follow celebrities.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: Obama is a celebrity.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: Not because of that reason.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: If someone is following me, and I am the president.
18:59
SPEAKER_01: Don't you think I should have high enough security to realize, oh, you know what?
19:02
SPEAKER_01: This person has been showing up at the bomber.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: The bomber is completely different from the school shootings.
19:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, let's just go.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: The school shootings is very hard to be like that up to conspiracy beliefs.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: You believe none of the school shootings are conspiracy.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: So I have no facts because I was not there.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't Mike I I don't consider a fact to being that I heard it from the media and this is what's been repeated.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: That's not a fact.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: I have no facts to confirm or deny whether that's conspiracy or not.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: What about the Boston bombing?
19:34
SPEAKER_05: Was that the marathon one?
19:36
SPEAKER_00: I've heard so much contradiction.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: Those are the the Boston bombing and Sandy Hook are the two that will always rub me the wrong way.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: Well, how so?
19:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so just to begin with Sandy Hook, I have seen so many conflicting reports.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: We are human, right?
19:52
SPEAKER_02: So at the end of the day, these reports can be conflicting just because it's human error.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: But there was like, yo, he killed himself, right?
19:59
SPEAKER_02: But how did they find all the guns in the car?
20:04
SPEAKER_02: That's one of the things.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: He didn't have a gun on him.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: So how did he kill himself?
20:10
SPEAKER_02: With his bare hands?
20:12
SPEAKER_02: So hold on, hold on.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: Then another thing with Sandy Hook is we all remember Columbine, right?
20:15
SPEAKER_02: You're right.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: That shit was televised.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: It was dead kids on TV.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: The Virginia Tech shooting, there was dead kids on TV.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna tell me all the kids at Sandy Hook died, you can't show me one picture of a dead kid from Sandy Hook?
20:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I found that I found that a little weird.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: So when Sandy Hook happened, I kind of like unplugged my my internet and uh and my cable.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Because I just got lost in a whirlpool of shit I couldn't understand with the city.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: Not even the 104 hat.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: Not even when you put the 104 hat.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: Huh?
20:42
SPEAKER_00: Not even, not even just that.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: That 5G mode.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I need to watch out for that.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: Hey, let me ask you a question.
20:49
SPEAKER_00: Watch out.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: How much how much earlier or how much after did the Hurricane Sandy happen?
20:55
SPEAKER_02: Why the fuck are you talking about Hurricane Sandy?
20:57
SPEAKER_02: Because that whole time everything was standing.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: It's all really good.
21:01
SPEAKER_02: You cannot tell me.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: You cannot tell me that the government is not doing shit like that.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: What are the chances?
21:13
SPEAKER_01: Wait, what?
21:14
SPEAKER_01: What are the chances we get hit with Hurricane Sandy and Sandy Hook at the same time?
21:17
SPEAKER_01: You gotta be out of your fucking.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: What are the chances?
21:20
SPEAKER_01: That's the reason why.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: What are the chances?
21:21
SPEAKER_01: They go by out with the letter.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: They could have named the hurricane Sam.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Anything else, but they name it Sandy?
21:27
SPEAKER_01: Come on, that's ironic.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: I never even put that together.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: But what's the point?
21:32
SPEAKER_01: What the porn is that?
21:33
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
21:34
SPEAKER_01: It's population control, nigga.
21:37
SPEAKER_02: What it's population controlation control.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: What is the name of the people?
21:44
SPEAKER_02: No, they're not.
21:45
SPEAKER_05: Well, the superstorm they're basically causing it.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: Basically, fuck with your mind.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: They put Sandy the hurricane and then Sandy Hook happens, and they're basically hinting, yo, we're fucking with you guys.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: We're the ones doing this.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: I see what you're saying, man.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: Nah, nah, nah, don't.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: No, not even that.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: The Vegas shooting, right?
22:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: The guy was shooting the gun.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: If you see all the pictures when he was coming from the opposite direction.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: Not even that.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: When he died, when they said he would die, then the people was um what you go first?
22:10
SPEAKER_01: First of all, there's a video of the police in the stairway for at least, at least 10 minutes.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: Listening to shootings.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: They didn't rush anything.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: They say he killed himself when they go in and they show all the pictures.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: The gun's laying across his legs.
22:23
unknown: I mean, I got it.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: How the fuck do you do you die and fall under a fucking big ass gun?
22:28
SPEAKER_02: Wait, what?
22:28
SPEAKER_02: That's that's whack.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: He's okay.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: We don't have no vision.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: He's laying like this.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: The gun is on like that across his legs.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: Have you ever seen somebody die?
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: They don't fall under the gun that they're using to shoot themselves.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: You never know.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: You let your friend commit suicide.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: Listen, when you ring a chicken, when you wring a chicken's neck off its body, right?
22:46
SPEAKER_00: That shit runs around the yard for a little while.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Listen.
22:49
SPEAKER_02: Can I ask you about the Boston bombing?
22:51
SPEAKER_02: This shit is conspiracy.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: Fuck the government.
22:53
SPEAKER_02: The Boston bombing to me was a test of um martial law.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: That's the first time that I can remember in my lifetime that a whole American city was under military control.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: And then they find a bomber in some dude's backyard because he went out to smoke a cigarette.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: Ain't that the one where he when he ran to go hide in the road or some shit like that?
23:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like come on.
23:18
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
23:18
SPEAKER_05: So, question what would be the goal of them orchestrating these shootings?
23:24
SPEAKER_00: To me, it's a population.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's population.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: It's easier to control a nation under fear than any other way.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: But we'll control us to do what though?
23:32
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
23:32
SPEAKER_00: Hitler removed the means to remain in the world.
23:36
SPEAKER_01: If we live in fear of walking out down the street and there's a mass shooting, guess what?
23:40
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of shit you won't do.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: If everybody starts to try to have an uproar, BP's gonna be like, no, we're not gonna fight because we might get shot.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Notice it's only around the elections and only around the holidays when you see these bombings, you see uh these uh wildfires, you see a lot of shit only around a certain time.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: No, it's not only because it's been happening throughout the year.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Wildfires I don't agree with.
24:01
SPEAKER_05: All of this stuff happens throughout the year, though.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: That I don't think it's conspiracy.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: That's a conspiracy.
24:07
SPEAKER_02: First of all, that's not even a real conspiracy.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: I've never heard that before in my life.
24:10
SPEAKER_05: If they were, if they were with the population control and what, trying to get rid of the guns, they're not trying to get rid of the guns.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean they're not?
24:17
SPEAKER_05: They're not trying to because they're not passing laws trying to take away the Second Amendment.
24:22
SPEAKER_05: They're not trying to do any of that.
24:24
SPEAKER_05: They're not making it that much harder to get a gun.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: Do you realize in all the major states that they're probably scared of that would have an uproar, there's no guns?
24:31
SPEAKER_01: No, that's not true.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: Texas can have guns, boy.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: Texas is not a state that's gonna uproar against the fucking thing.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: What?
24:36
SPEAKER_02: Texas wanted to be away from the government.
24:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: They want it to be their own thing.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: No, they still do.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: They still do.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: I know slaves.
24:45
SPEAKER_05: Our culture is the opposite that we're we need our guns.
24:48
SPEAKER_02: It's the liberal cucks that want to have government, big government.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: Texas is a Republican Republican states want small government, so you're wrong with that.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: I'll be wrong with that.
24:57
SPEAKER_05: You know, per 100 people in the US, we have 9200 guns.
25:02
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's roll right into this.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: The great gun debate.
25:05
SPEAKER_05: There's too many guns in this freaking country.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's let's let's unpack this.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: So I think that the mass shooting is because of people that have mental illness.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: Because all of these shooters showcase or have been.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: No, not all.
25:29
SPEAKER_05: Not all.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm sorry.
25:31
SPEAKER_02: Most of the shooters that I have quote unquote researched have either showcased mental problems or they are literally on these drugs for mental illness.
25:42
SPEAKER_02: They've been diagnosed.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you a question.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: Who do they show these mental shout-ups to shout up the movie theater a few years ago?
25:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Batman nigga.
25:49
SPEAKER_05: What I want to know is what specific mental illnesses are we talking about?
25:52
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
25:54
SPEAKER_05: No, okay.
25:55
SPEAKER_05: So mental illnesses are very different.
25:58
SPEAKER_05: And they're so they are mostly nonviolent.
26:01
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
26:01
SPEAKER_05: So no, no, no.
26:02
SPEAKER_05: Because we prepared for this.
26:04
SPEAKER_05: We knew you guys were gonna take this wrong.
26:05
SPEAKER_05: The issue is all this research and lose by the moment.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
26:09
SPEAKER_05: I'm not gonna come in, I'm not gonna come in and lose.
26:11
SPEAKER_05: These mass shooters are outliers, right?
26:15
SPEAKER_05: Outliers are things that don't go with the trend when you look at the population statistics.
26:20
SPEAKER_05: Okay, right?
26:21
SPEAKER_05: And then look, there's a myriad of things that influence the shooter.
26:26
SPEAKER_05: It could have been it's mental, it could be mental illness, you know, they have symptoms, they'll they're socially marginalized, it has to do with their environment, socioeconomic factors.
26:36
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like there's more than shit you grow up with.
26:38
SPEAKER_05: There's more than one thing.
26:39
SPEAKER_05: Like people just try to throw the mental illness, but these mass shooters are not descriptive of the mental illness community.
26:47
SPEAKER_05: They are the exception.
26:51
SPEAKER_05: The exception.
26:52
SPEAKER_04: Everybody, everybody.
26:54
SPEAKER_04: People who are leading the ill are more likely to kill themselves than they are to harm another.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: No, but that's the media.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: That's the idea.
27:03
SPEAKER_07: People only look at the media throws the mental illness when it comes to white people.
27:08
SPEAKER_07: Whenever, whenever the white shooter, they want to find an excuse.
27:11
SPEAKER_07: But why do they agree?
27:13
SPEAKER_07: I agree.
27:13
SPEAKER_05: Never when it's a person of color that does something illegal, they never want to make an excuse for that.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying the media run by listen, the government.
27:22
SPEAKER_05: The cock Chubbs, Chubbs, and AG.
27:26
SPEAKER_05: It is not only mental illness.
27:28
SPEAKER_05: You get what I'm saying?
27:29
SPEAKER_05: Because if you were to No, no, no, but that's the issue.
27:32
SPEAKER_05: That's the only thing.
27:33
SPEAKER_05: I picked that to that.
27:34
SPEAKER_05: That's the only thing you said.
27:35
SPEAKER_05: You only break it down.
27:36
SPEAKER_05: You all people only like to address mental illness, but these people aren't like regularly mental ill people.
27:42
SPEAKER_05: There's a whole bunch of different factors that influence that behavior.
27:46
SPEAKER_05: But they don't like to look at that.
27:48
SPEAKER_05: It's a lot of hate too.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: The label is tossed by the media.
27:52
SPEAKER_05: And people.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: It's not the media.
27:57
SPEAKER_07: People back it up.
28:01
SPEAKER_07: Oh, there must be a mental insane, or they plead insanity.
28:04
SPEAKER_02: If you don't believe in mental illness, this is my thing.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: Can I just bring my own?
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Mental illness is real, bro.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, just never.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: It's as real as the sky is blue, and that's the same.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: I have never experienced it.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: Trump does not agree in mental illness.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: If you haven't experienced mental illness, then that is a great thing.
28:20
SPEAKER_07: That is a great thing, my brother, but mental illness is real.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: I can expose him because he said that he went through his fits of depression and suicide.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: That is a mental illness.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: To me, that's a good idea.
28:29
SPEAKER_09: It is depression, it is mental illness.
28:32
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: So then mental illness guys gonna go shoot up at school.
28:36
SPEAKER_03: No, that's no, but that's it.
28:38
SPEAKER_03: Did you?
28:39
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
28:39
SPEAKER_03: You were that wasn't your idea.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: You helped my argument, Dick.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: Your idea was the label is given by the media that's ran by the government.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Why?
28:46
SPEAKER_01: So they can be looking for looked down upon.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: It's not right or wrong.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: It's just so they can be looked down upon.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: Just let me know when I can get my point across.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, AG.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Hate it.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: If I gave you the a chart of the last 10 mass shooters, the things that we're gonna put on the list are they're Caucasian males.
29:05
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
29:05
SPEAKER_05: Always, usually.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: Majority of them, so we're gonna use majority.
29:08
SPEAKER_05: It's like 50 to 60 percent.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: Majority of them are suffering from some case of mental illness.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: So let's address the three things there.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
29:21
SPEAKER_08: Is that the 50 to 60 percent that they suffer from mental illness?
29:25
SPEAKER_08: 50 to 60 percent.
29:27
SPEAKER_08: So white.
29:27
SPEAKER_02: That's about half.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: Okay, if it's 60, it's definitely a majority.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: So white male mental illness, right?
29:35
SPEAKER_02: Why are we trying to eliminate mental illness when we're not eliminating white or male?
29:40
SPEAKER_05: The issue, one of the issues is is they like to point out mental illness as a as a way to solve the problem, right?
29:47
SPEAKER_05: They want to say just take guns away from everybody that's mentally ill.
29:50
SPEAKER_03: I agree.
29:51
SPEAKER_05: But they're not even attributing for most of the one, most of the violence in this country and most of the mental crimes.
29:57
SPEAKER_05: And most of the gun-related crimes in this country.
30:02
unknown: Okay.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: We make up a smaller population where we commit more violent crimes.
30:06
SPEAKER_07: And there are reasons for that.
30:08
SPEAKER_07: Yes, there are economic reasons that are not their fault as to why they have to result in the world.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: You are right though, but if we're gonna talk about the raw numbers, we can't say white is more violent.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: We cannot say that.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: So let's say white is more violent.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: No, no, these are intangibles, and I agree with you guys.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: You lit you guys are misquoting me.
30:31
SPEAKER_02: If we're talking about raw numbers.
30:32
SPEAKER_07: Or we're talking about serial killers that's all white numbers gathered by.
30:39
SPEAKER_04: No, no, he's talking about gun-related homes.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: They were chilling in Antigua for a bit, but he was Jamaican.
30:47
SPEAKER_05: So he's talking about gun-related homicides, right?
30:51
SPEAKER_05: So we're not only talking about masculine.
30:52
SPEAKER_05: The one time.
30:53
SPEAKER_02: This is just under the umbrella.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: I just don't like the fact that we can't tackle all three issues.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: Because if you want to remove mental illness, then somebody can make the argument let's remove white.
31:04
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
31:05
SPEAKER_05: The thing is it's not it's not removing it.
31:07
SPEAKER_05: It's basically how you're not gonna solve a problem if you're not getting to the root cause of the problem.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: And uh, let me ask you a question.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: No, they get identified.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
31:18
SPEAKER_01: Mental ill.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: Wait, wait, why is it no?
31:20
SPEAKER_05: When you're dying, no, because those aren't the only things that cause gun-related crimes.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, they usually have the same three things that are.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay, that's all you're talking about.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: So what are you trying to- So what are you trying to solve?
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the first thing is just mass shooters?
31:35
SPEAKER_02: That we gotta start there because that's what's inflicting the most oppressive side.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: No, it's guns.
31:39
SPEAKER_02: I have a question.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: It's guns.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Guns don't kill people, people do.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: OJ does as well.
31:44
unknown: But you know.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: Can I I have can I suggest that?
31:47
SPEAKER_01: You remove guns, you remove black shooting.
31:51
SPEAKER_07: That is a that is a very popular argument, but look at Australia, look at Australia.
31:56
SPEAKER_07: Australia did a massive gun control.
31:58
SPEAKER_07: No, no, no, people not out of mass shooting in years.
32:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to follow anything.
32:03
SPEAKER_05: Listen, listen, listen.
32:04
SPEAKER_05: Statistics show that homicides increase if there's access to a gun.
32:11
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
32:12
SPEAKER_05: Right?
32:12
SPEAKER_05: So these things that cause gun-related crimes, it's either there's an emotional bill to it, and if you have access to a gun, most people are likely to use the gun to react.
32:22
SPEAKER_05: If you don't have access to a gun in those moments, the homicides don't occur because you don't have a gun nearby.
32:27
SPEAKER_05: If I go to the bridge, it's very impulsive.
32:29
SPEAKER_05: Let me ask you a question.
32:30
SPEAKER_05: It's very impulsive.
32:32
SPEAKER_05: So if you have guns nearby, people are gonna be angry, especially in instances of domestic violence, they're more likely to commit to kill someone.
32:40
SPEAKER_05: I disagree.
32:41
SPEAKER_05: If what do you disagree with?
32:42
SPEAKER_05: That's it.
32:42
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, hold on.
32:44
SPEAKER_05: Okay, okay.
32:44
SPEAKER_05: So basically, access to guns increases homicides.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
32:51
SPEAKER_05: So it's not just people, people are the ones using the guns.
32:54
SPEAKER_05: If the guns aren't there, people aren't gonna use them.
32:56
SPEAKER_05: They're gonna solve their problems in a different way.
32:58
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
32:59
SPEAKER_05: These are very impulsive acts.
33:00
SPEAKER_05: Using drug and alcohol also increases rates of gun-related crimes.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: I use both of those.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, hold on.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Let Ace get his point across.
33:09
SPEAKER_02: You made a lot of good points.
33:10
SPEAKER_05: Also, males being a male is predictive of gun-related crimes as well.
33:18
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no, no.
33:19
SPEAKER_05: These are these are statistics.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: These are statistics.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, you're right.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: You're right, you're right, you're right.
33:23
SPEAKER_05: No, so these are statistics.
33:24
SPEAKER_05: These are the the issue is that mental illness by itself is not predictive of violence or even gun violence, because 4% of the violence in this country is done by people who are mentally ill.
33:35
SPEAKER_05: Mentally ill people are actually more likely to be a victim of violence by either the police or other people.
33:42
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
33:43
SPEAKER_05: So they're actually more likely to be victimized and to actually perpetrate gun violence or violence in general.
33:48
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
33:48
SPEAKER_05: That's what people don't understand.
33:49
SPEAKER_05: The issue to this is that it's not mental illness by itself.
33:53
SPEAKER_05: These are people that are outliers.
33:55
SPEAKER_05: That there's a whole bunch of things that led to them doing this action that is not descriptive of the whole population.
34:02
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
34:02
SPEAKER_05: So you have to look at the whole thing, like what caused these people?
34:06
SPEAKER_05: What are all the reasons that led to this, and that's how you prevent it?
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
34:10
SPEAKER_05: You can't just look at mental illness because that is not going to solve anything.
34:13
SPEAKER_05: And again, these aren't even it's not even the majority of the gun violence in this country.
34:19
SPEAKER_05: The gun violence is perpetrated by people who are sane.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: I have a rebuttal.
34:23
SPEAKER_02: Mic drop! But ace, but ace has to go first.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Waiting patiently.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: So I understand that you say guns are the problem, right?
34:33
SPEAKER_00: But if the guns didn't exist with that person that has that same problem with the person that they want to kill, would they find another way of killing that person?
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: I gotta kill them from stabby.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: Why taking guns away from the people who should have their weapons by law is not right.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: Because there's a, like you said, 4% of people who are gonna use it incorrectly.
35:00
SPEAKER_00: That should be the rights not everyone.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
35:03
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
35:04
SPEAKER_05: It's not 4% of people that do it incorrectly.
35:06
SPEAKER_05: Those are 4% are mentally ill that commit violence.
35:09
SPEAKER_05: And 3-5% are mentally.
35:11
SPEAKER_05: So that means that 96% are done by people who aren't mentally ill.
35:17
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
35:17
SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm saying.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: Mass shooting or just regular shooting?
35:20
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
35:21
SPEAKER_05: This is regular, just gun-related crimes.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: Talking about mass shootings.
35:26
SPEAKER_05: But that's exactly my point.
35:28
SPEAKER_05: Mass shootings, you have to look at the whole thing.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: It's not just mental illness percentage goes up or down of the shooters.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: It goes up that's the argument.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: But that's exactly what I'm saying.
35:40
SPEAKER_05: You guys are thinking about it the right the wrong way.
35:45
SPEAKER_05: Because that's not gonna solve the problem.
35:47
SPEAKER_05: You have to look at listen.
35:49
SPEAKER_05: What is your problem?
35:50
SPEAKER_05: The problem is that people think just taking guns away from mentally ill is gonna do what?
35:55
SPEAKER_05: What is that gonna do?
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Stop mass shooting.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: What is it gonna stop?
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Mass shooting.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: There's no reason.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: That's my this is the real issue.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: There's no reason that any Joe Schmo off the fucking block should be able to go purchase an automatic motherfucking weapon.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: Because if you go to these that they're able to buy people, people like to have this uncontrolled conversation, not understanding that we're all we should all legally be able to bear arms.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: Not even that.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: We don't need an M16.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: All of these kids that are using I mean, I want to do this.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: But I'm saying if you realize, when you go to these states that you can buy guns, you're allowed to buy a handgun and a rifle for hunting.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: Rifle.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: How the fuck you get an automatic weapon?
36:40
SPEAKER_00: But they they they are legal.
36:43
SPEAKER_03: Nah, some say they're legal.
36:45
SPEAKER_03: You give an Amazon, you're gonna get an Air.
36:47
SPEAKER_03: I believe that there should not be any reason any civilian needs to have an automatic weapon at all.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: Because this is America.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: We are run on gun sales.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: This is America.
37:04
SPEAKER_00: That's why things won't change.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: That bull is a good idea.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: So when we have the gun control conversation.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: When we have the the gun control conversation, we need to we need to break it down to actually what it is.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: Why are we allowed to have automatic weapons?
37:17
SPEAKER_02: Okay, Kate.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: K8 makes makes Kate.
37:20
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
37:21
SPEAKER_02: So I think me and you are arguing two different things, and that's the issue.
37:24
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
37:25
SPEAKER_05: It's two different things, but they're both you can't argue without both perspectives, is what I'm saying.
37:32
SPEAKER_05: Because you guys want to prevent mass shootings, right?
37:35
SPEAKER_05: But you can't do that without regulating guns for the entire country.
37:39
SPEAKER_05: That's absolutely true.
37:40
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I do believe that obviously nobody who's mentally ill should have a gun.
37:44
SPEAKER_05: That's of course.
37:46
SPEAKER_05: Mind you, there are people who are underdiagnosed who are not going to be diagnosed.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Who would never be diagnosed?
37:50
SPEAKER_05: But then because they're not diagnosed and it's not documented, they're still gonna have access to guns because that's access to the general public.
37:57
SPEAKER_05: I understand.
37:58
SPEAKER_05: So that's exactly what I'm saying.
37:59
SPEAKER_05: Mass shootings don't account for all of the gun-related crimes and homicides that are in this country.
38:06
SPEAKER_05: So you get what I'm saying?
38:07
SPEAKER_02: So you're ignoring everybody else who's killed by guns and I'm I'm I'm gonna we're gonna move through the arguments.
38:14
SPEAKER_02: So let's start with mass shooting.
38:16
SPEAKER_02: So with mass shootings, are you gonna disagree with me that we need to focus on white Caucasian males with mental illness?
38:24
SPEAKER_02: I said white Caucasian, white males with mental illness.
38:27
SPEAKER_02: But how is we not focus on those people first?
38:30
SPEAKER_02: Yes or no?
38:31
SPEAKER_05: The issue is focusing on what though?
38:34
SPEAKER_05: What are you gonna do?
38:35
SPEAKER_02: Those are people when they want to buy a gun, their name should ring up in the system and be like this person fits a description of white male mental illness.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: Yes or no?
38:46
SPEAKER_07: Yes, yes, yes, I believe that.
38:50
SPEAKER_03: And I believe that no, I believe mentally ill people in general should not have guns.
38:54
SPEAKER_03: No, exactly.
38:54
SPEAKER_03: And so I I agree with you on that part.
38:58
SPEAKER_07: But again, what we're saying is the mentally ill part is not the full reason as to why eggsy eye shoes are happening.
39:05
SPEAKER_07: And it's part, it is part, because obviously it is a small moment.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: Can I interject?
39:09
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, give me one one more point and then you got it.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: The black, the black dude who's a marine, who shot up the the he shot up a military base, he was a black, so he he misses the radar that we just set up.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: He was a male, so he hits that, and he had a mental illness.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: He had PTSD.
39:26
SPEAKER_02: So he fits two of the descriptions.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, so mental illness and males fit that description.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: So I don't see how we can remove mental illness out of the scale.
39:35
SPEAKER_02: Because that's that's how you're gonna be able to do it.
39:36
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
39:36
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no, no.
39:37
SPEAKER_05: I'm saying you don't remove it, but it can't be the only thing.
39:40
SPEAKER_05: There's multiple, there's multiple things.
39:43
SPEAKER_05: And the and the issue is is how are you gonna get how are you how are you gonna do that?
39:49
SPEAKER_00: Should it be included?
39:51
SPEAKER_00: Should mental illness be included is the question.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: That's the question.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: That's all the question is.
39:55
SPEAKER_05: It's should be included, because obviously Exactly, but it's it's not to blame because white can be the blame and male can be the blame, but mental illness can't be.
40:05
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.
40:06
SPEAKER_05: I'm just saying the the issue that people are are using is like this is a mental illness problem when it's not because no no no no no, it's not the sole problem.
40:16
SPEAKER_05: You get what I'm saying?
40:17
SPEAKER_05: But that's what exactly.
40:20
SPEAKER_05: It is part, it is part of the not even one third, because these people are very different from these they're very different from the general population.
40:29
SPEAKER_05: You got what I'm saying?
40:30
SPEAKER_05: So one, it's hard to even be descriptive because their lives are so different and complicated.
40:36
SPEAKER_05: But yes, the majority of them are white male and have half of them or 60% have some sort of symptoms.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: Chubbs would like to interject.
40:45
SPEAKER_05: But the issue is it's it's a dangerous thing to perpetuate, especially in the media, because people only think, oh, mentally ill people, but no, a majority of mentally ill people aren't violent.
40:58
SPEAKER_05: So that's the only issue.
40:59
SPEAKER_05: People solely focus.
41:00
SPEAKER_05: This is a mental health issue.
41:02
SPEAKER_05: It's not because these people aren't even like regular mentally ill people.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: I would like to interject a whole thing.
41:07
SPEAKER_01: I would like to interject.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Make your point because this is where I feel the problem lies.
41:13
SPEAKER_01: These mass shooters, when do we realize that they cleaned up mentally ill?
41:17
SPEAKER_01: After the shooting, right?
41:19
SPEAKER_02: No, one of the guys, um, the FBI had him, like, you know, not under like surveillance at radar, and they chose not to act, and he fit the description as well.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: Not the male man.
41:28
SPEAKER_01: Now, this is my thing.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: See a situation like that, we can blame the FBI.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: But the rest of them that don't go under the radar, when do we find out that they're supposedly mentally ill?
41:38
SPEAKER_02: The Sandy Hook shooter, his mom knew he was taking drugs for mental illness.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: Now, okay, now you blame a parent.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: Now those are two cases out of how many?
41:48
SPEAKER_01: The Marine.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: The black Marine.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: He was discharged.
41:53
SPEAKER_01: PCSD.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but this is what I'm saying.
41:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay, now that's three.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: You're still not giving me majority.
42:00
SPEAKER_01: Majority of the people are labeled after the shooting.
42:03
SPEAKER_05: So the shoe, some of them are underdiagnosed, some of them aren't diagnosed with a mental illness.
42:09
SPEAKER_05: So now this is my thing.
42:09
SPEAKER_05: They just may express.
42:14
SPEAKER_01: Or are they just on a drug that makes them do that?
42:17
SPEAKER_02: Conspiracy chubs again.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: I agree with you though.
42:21
SPEAKER_05: Again, listen.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: Listen, guys, again you agree as well because there are a lot of people misdiagnose.
42:29
SPEAKER_05: So another issue is you're on another single cause and effect thing.
42:33
SPEAKER_05: So again, there are people who are on these drugs that do not commit that behavior.
42:37
SPEAKER_05: Again, every person is different.
42:39
SPEAKER_05: They have different lives, they have different experiences.
42:42
SPEAKER_05: So all of that could have led obviously to the medication because the those are what are called psychotropic medications that affect your mood and behavior.
42:50
SPEAKER_05: Right?
42:51
SPEAKER_05: So each person is different.
42:52
SPEAKER_05: So again, that person could have been on that drug, but something else in his life, in his genetics, whatever it may be, could have let all those combined together to cause that violent.
43:04
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
43:05
SPEAKER_05: So by but I'm saying your problem in terms of what you're communicating, you can't solely blame it on the drug.
43:11
SPEAKER_05: Because there are plenty of people who take those drugs who don't do that.
43:14
SPEAKER_05: That's my problem.
43:15
SPEAKER_05: People have this single-minded thinking of a simple cause and effect when we live in a complex society where multiple things affect who you are and what you do.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: That's true, because you know what I tell everybody about these cops that's shooting these kids and beating them up.
43:30
SPEAKER_01: They were definitely bullied in school, finally got power and had power behind their back.
43:34
SPEAKER_02: That's how I feel.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: That's anecdotal evidence.
43:37
SPEAKER_01: That's how I feel.
43:37
SPEAKER_01: That's your opinion.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: That's my opinion.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: You don't have any stats to back it up.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: No, I know.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: That's why I said it's my opinion.
43:41
SPEAKER_02: So can we just roll into solutions?
43:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so solutions because I had a great one before you were a part of the podcast.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: And I I want to hear your perspective first.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so yeah, say, and then no, I want to hear yours first, and then I'll tell you what I came up with.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: It's a it's I don't think it's foolproof, but I want to hear your opinion.
43:58
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let me hear your solution.
43:59
SPEAKER_05: So again, one of the The issues is the Second Amendment, right?
44:03
SPEAKER_05: The right to bear arms.
44:04
SPEAKER_05: There are actually different people who try to, I think it was like brought up to the Supreme Court a few years ago, or like 2008 or something, about that didn't actually mean every citizen, you know, should have the right to have a weapon.
44:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's what we're doing.
44:18
SPEAKER_05: One and and that was written at a time where the technology for weapons wasn't so advanced.
44:24
SPEAKER_05: So they didn't have like semi-automatic weapons at that point that can do that much damage in seconds.
44:30
SPEAKER_05: So it's either.
44:32
SPEAKER_05: So one thing Australia and the UK did is they had this buyback program where they civilians sold their guns to the government and the government destroyed the guns.
44:45
SPEAKER_01: They do that in New York too.
44:46
SPEAKER_01: So again, you're living in.
44:50
SPEAKER_05: You don't, it depends on what legislation they pass.
44:53
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
44:54
SPEAKER_05: So let's say if they pass one that you can't have, you can only have a shotgun.
44:58
SPEAKER_05: So then you have to give back, but they'll buy probably the semi-automatic weapons, the pump action right now.
45:07
unknown: They pay you to give it back.
45:08
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
45:09
SPEAKER_05: That's how you're getting rid of all the guns like in the country.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you a question.
45:13
SPEAKER_05: Because it lowers it lowers the crime, and because like I said, a lot of the the gun-related crimes are committed when there's drug, alcohol, abuse, and moments and emotionally elevated instances of of whatever, you know, it could be domestic violence.
45:29
SPEAKER_05: Because like I think like 85% of gun-related crimes are done by someone in your social network.
45:35
SPEAKER_05: So it could be your brother, your friend, cousin.
45:38
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, 85 of gun-related crimes are done by people that you know.
45:42
SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you a question.
45:44
SPEAKER_01: You think if New York did that, every single gang out here is gonna get back to the gun?
45:48
SPEAKER_00: New York does do it, but you have to think about it like this.
45:51
SPEAKER_00: For the uh the family that has the two the two ancient pistols in their uh in the coat closet from grandpa back in the day.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: They ain't giving it back.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: They can't.
46:02
SPEAKER_00: It happened, they happened in Australia and the UK.
46:06
SPEAKER_00: They do that because it's a it's a it lowers the percentage of the younger person coming up in that household that knows there's two pistols going outside and doing something reckless or dangerous.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: Although that gun may have been in the house for another reason or from another owner.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: Like I said, you think all the gangs on these streets that own all these guns are giving back their guns.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: No, but just like we say about the voting, don't say that, oh, I'm not gonna go vote because uh there's a um people are uh they're cheating and the ballots don't count.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: They're gonna do whatever they're gonna do to cheat.
46:42
SPEAKER_00: Someone's gonna develop a program that's gonna uh sway the votes to be something else.
46:47
SPEAKER_00: The percentage that won is so small that if everyone votes, it won't matter.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: So the same thing with the guns.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: If we get in as many guns as we can, it doesn't matter if we get all of them off the streets from the gangsters.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: Or half.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: But it's just that we got we got guns off of the street.
47:06
SPEAKER_05: And that again, that lowers the potential for crime in the future because it's a lot of it is just like you have the gun at your disposal, so it happens because it's a spur of the moment thing.
47:17
SPEAKER_01: What stops a lot of people from saying, you know what, if this gang could possibly run in my house with a gun, me, I gotta give back my gun.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: You get what I'm saying?
47:25
SPEAKER_00: When do you ever hear about it?
47:27
SPEAKER_01: Mind you, you don't hear about it.
47:29
SPEAKER_05: All you're thinking about is gangs.
47:30
SPEAKER_05: This is there's a whole country where people have like multiple guns for no reason.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: How often do you hear about that?
47:36
SPEAKER_00: In your community.
47:37
SPEAKER_00: You got a point.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: You got a point.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
47:40
SPEAKER_00: So you you can't you can't just uh you can't just judge that one one aspect.
47:47
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because it's a whole country.
47:49
SPEAKER_05: Like we have so many, there's mad guns in this country.
47:52
SPEAKER_05: Because like it worked in Australia and the UK, they limited the amount of guns in their country by buying them back and then it lowered the the gun related homicides.
48:04
SPEAKER_02: So KO Joe, your solution is just to remove all guns as much as possible.
48:10
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
48:11
SPEAKER_05: I think a buyback program is is it's a monetary incentive.
48:15
SPEAKER_05: Okay, you know, who doesn't want money?
48:17
SPEAKER_05: That's another motive to get people to give back their guns because the thing is a lot of people have multiple, multiple and several guns.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: Chubbs, what is your solution?
48:26
SPEAKER_05: And and another I have another solution.
48:29
SPEAKER_05: Unless you want to stick to this one and vote.
48:30
SPEAKER_05: No, no, so okay, so Japan also puts their citizens it up to rigorous tests.
48:37
SPEAKER_05: So I'll tell you everything that they do.
48:39
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
48:39
SPEAKER_05: So and Japan has less than 10 shooting deaths per year, and they have 127 million people.
48:46
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
48:46
SPEAKER_05: Damn.
48:46
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so that's that's crazy, that's crazy little.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: So not our fault, they can't see anything with the right.
49:00
SPEAKER_05: So, one, to own a gun, you have to attend an all-day class, pass a written test, achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting range test in Japan.
49:10
SPEAKER_05: You have to pass a mental health evaluation at a hospital.
49:13
SPEAKER_05: They do background check where the government sticks into your criminal criminal records or ties, and then they interview your friends and family.
49:20
SPEAKER_05: And you can only buy shotguns and air rifles.
49:23
SPEAKER_05: There's no handguns, and you must retake the class and initial exam every three years.
49:29
SPEAKER_05: So it's like if you want a gun that badly.
49:34
SPEAKER_05: And that was the point that you brought up before.
49:36
SPEAKER_05: It's like, yeah, like these tests are way too easy.
49:39
SPEAKER_02: Just a question.
49:40
SPEAKER_02: What are the katana laws in Japan?
49:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm dead.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: So everybody can have a katana.
49:46
SPEAKER_02: How many katana-related deaths are there?
49:49
SPEAKER_02: What if it's a cultural thing?
49:50
SPEAKER_02: What if guns are more American than Japan?
49:52
SPEAKER_02: I'd rather have to get the other people.
49:53
SPEAKER_05: But that's that that's another issue.
49:55
SPEAKER_05: That's exact that's a great point that he brought up because again, we have this culture in this country that we need all our guns.
50:01
SPEAKER_05: And one, there's also a culture of fear, like where we have to freaking fear each other.
50:05
SPEAKER_05: So that's another issue why we need guns to protect ourselves.
50:09
SPEAKER_05: But why are we all so afraid of each other?
50:11
SPEAKER_05: So that was that was a really good point.
50:14
SPEAKER_02: Japanese tentacle monsters.
50:16
SPEAKER_05: And in and so another another way to prevent this in Norway, they have a lot of social cohesion, right?
50:22
SPEAKER_05: So where the local governments um are very invested into their communities, so there's not a not a lot of violence or um all that stuff that goes on here because there's a lot of trust between the government and the local yeah.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: You know what's my solution?
50:40
SPEAKER_01: Take away guns and eliminate hunting.
50:42
SPEAKER_01: You love guns.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: Why would you eliminate hunting?
50:45
SPEAKER_01: Because if I gotta go hunting, I gotta get a gun.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: That's a sport.
50:48
SPEAKER_02: If you eliminate hunting, that's a okay.
50:49
SPEAKER_02: So let's eliminate dirt bikes.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's my I just like hunting is not purely.
50:54
SPEAKER_00: Hunting is not purely for sports.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: They have hunting for certain times of year, and they have popular population control as well.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: And just like just like the government got population control for us, nigga.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: They do, but it's not implemented in the legislation for our guns.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: Just like chime in space.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: But this is my thing.
51:11
SPEAKER_01: If I could go, okay, I could go hunting, right?
51:13
SPEAKER_01: Why do I need a shotgun to go hunting?
51:15
SPEAKER_01: That's a big ass bear.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: How are you gonna penetrate a bear's skin it's not the same as yours?
51:19
SPEAKER_01: Hunting niggas ain't easy to do.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: You need a different caliber of weapons.
51:23
SPEAKER_01: There's no sniper rifle that could hunt down a bear.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: Do you understand how hunting works?
51:28
SPEAKER_00: A sniper rifle is or a right- a regular rifle.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: Can't take down a bear.
51:33
SPEAKER_01: American dirt bike.
51:34
SPEAKER_01: Let me just interject the two seconds.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: Do you understand the shotgun?
51:37
SPEAKER_00: No, he doesn't get it.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: A shotgun is close range.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: Anything far with a shotgun is doing almost nothing, probably.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: It'd probably like a BB gun, possibly.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, depending on the the feet.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: Like over 50 feet, a shotgun's not helping you.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: You're getting uh like a you're getting pellets.
51:54
unknown: Okay.
51:55
SPEAKER_00: So I mean that's why you're allowed to use that.
51:57
SPEAKER_01: So I'm allowed to use a shotgun because I want to run up close to the bear and risk my life.
52:01
SPEAKER_00: No, because I mean look at it.
52:03
SPEAKER_00: It if you shoot someone in that's in your house, right?
52:06
SPEAKER_00: You shoot them in their stomach or anywhere in the front of their their body, you're going to jail.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm sorry.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: If you shoot somebody in the front of their body, you can claim that that was self-defense.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: But if you shoot them in their back, you're gonna go to jail.
52:22
SPEAKER_00: Because that shows that you weren't you you weren't in eminent fear or danger.
52:27
SPEAKER_00: Because they were their back was to you and you had a way out, or they weren't coming towards you.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: So there's little things in it that you have to look at.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: So again, shotgun, close range damage, a lot of damage.
52:39
SPEAKER_00: A sniper, a lot of damage.
52:41
SPEAKER_00: That means that I sat in a tree and waited for something to come and shoot it from a far distance so that I could possibly be away, or that that thing doesn't matter.
52:49
SPEAKER_01: And that's how I feel hunting should be.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: Hunting shouldn't wait for a while.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so how about the one guy who wants to sit in his tree and pick off everybody at a crosswalk?
52:58
SPEAKER_00: It's harder to commit mass shooting than a shotgun.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: Although it does take a lot of skill to do that, that's still way more dangerous than a shotgun.
53:06
SPEAKER_01: The only reason why I said like that, a shotgun, I could shoot a shotgun, take out two people.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: Two people isn't a mass shooting.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: But I'm just saying, I could I could I could take out two people at close range with a shotgun.
53:17
SPEAKER_00: And before you let six more shots, somebody could take you down.
53:21
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and with a sniper, I shoot one, and before that one hit.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: Did you not uh see what happened with the DC sniper?
53:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, that did shit.
53:30
SPEAKER_02: That nigga did that.
53:31
SPEAKER_02: That nigga got a lot more.
53:33
SPEAKER_02: What is your opinion, Zap, on how to stop our um I just wanted to talk about the culture of America in general.
53:38
SPEAKER_02: Do you have an opinion on the gun control?
53:40
SPEAKER_02: Like how would you control it?
53:42
SPEAKER_05: I mean Or you want to talk about what you think contributes to the mass shootings because of the control.
53:50
SPEAKER_02: That's imminent.
53:51
SPEAKER_02: You should just not do that.
53:54
SPEAKER_02: Gun control, I mean you don't want to take it away from the people because at the same at the same time, if somebody runs in your house with a gun, then it's But I feel like America in general, like like whoa.
54:08
SPEAKER_02: I feel like America in general just like grew up in like a Western, like kind of gunslinger kind of mentality.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: So guns have always been permanent in American history.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
54:18
SPEAKER_02: So it's something that's like it's hard to take away or block something that's been around since the founding of America.
54:25
SPEAKER_02: That's how we got to land.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: But the mass shooting occurs because of a specific type of weaponry.
54:32
SPEAKER_02: Automatic rifles.
54:33
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, assault rifles.
54:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean takeaway call of duty.
54:37
SPEAKER_02: So that's your solution.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: So what?
54:41
SPEAKER_01: Takeaway Call of Duty.
54:42
SPEAKER_01: What the fuck does a video game have to do with me coming and mass shooting?
54:46
SPEAKER_02: I disagree too.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: Because if you're really gonna go that argument, you're saying okay, okay, so we're gonna take Call of Duty, we're gonna take Battlefield, we're gonna take what?
54:53
SPEAKER_01: GTA.
54:54
SPEAKER_01: Just because I played GTA doesn't mean Fortnite.
54:57
unknown: Make a game that shoots rainbows.
54:59
SPEAKER_01: Like, just because I play GTA.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: Just because I play GTA.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, just like Apple.
55:05
SPEAKER_01: Fortnite shoots fucking Easter eggs.
55:07
SPEAKER_07: Apple changed their gun emoji to a squirt gun, so that's some change.
55:12
SPEAKER_07: We can't use it in our phones.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: Just because I played GTA don't mean I'm gonna go out, slap this nigga down the block, rob his car.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: So again, when we talk about anecdotal experiences, it's not about what you may do.
55:26
SPEAKER_01: But it's like was people doing that when GTA came out?
55:28
SPEAKER_01: To actually give a like a actual like people that was doing the same shit in GTA when GTA came out.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: That's not the point.
55:36
SPEAKER_02: To give an actual like plausible like like solution to gun control, I feel like obviously a license should be like a thing.
55:45
SPEAKER_02: But like if you're not hunting or whatever, I don't think you should be able to purchase certain guns.
55:49
SPEAKER_02: And if you want to bring up the right to bear arms or to protect yourself, everybody should be able to get some type of high-powered BB gun that's not going to injure or hurt somebody.
55:58
SPEAKER_02: So you ever been shot with a BB gun?
56:01
unknown: Okay.
56:01
SPEAKER_00: So if I can't, but you're deterring you're deterring somebody.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: I understand where you're going with that, Zap, but the technology that you speak of is not released to the public.
56:09
SPEAKER_00: They do have shit that's not gonna kill you, but that will keep you the fuck away from me.
56:14
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
56:15
SPEAKER_08: They do, but why can't they just exchange stuff for like tranquilizer guns?
56:18
SPEAKER_08: Like if someone comes in your house, boom, tranquilize the fuck out of the call the police.
56:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I mean shoot you've never seen them shoot an animal with tranquilizer and it still keeps going.
56:31
SPEAKER_07: Well, I mean, you just get the right amount of tranquilizer and you're not gonna kill somebody with a lot of well no, you've I mean I think that's a solution.
56:40
SPEAKER_07: That or a taser gun, those are solutions for if you're afraid someone breaks into your taser gun or a tranquilizer gun.
56:47
SPEAKER_01: Look at the taser gun.
56:48
SPEAKER_01: Cops shoot people with taser gun and they still move.
56:50
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
56:50
SPEAKER_07: Well, they're moving, but they're debilitated, they're on the ground, shit.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: Still fighting.
56:54
SPEAKER_01: There's videos of people standing up, still charging that cops to get shot with taser.
56:58
SPEAKER_05: That's the issue with this culture, though, is you keep saying we need our guns, but then all these guns are killing so many people.
57:04
SPEAKER_05: But I need it to protect myself.
57:06
SPEAKER_05: So why do cops?
57:06
SPEAKER_05: All these other people are dying because you're the need for your gun.
57:10
SPEAKER_01: So you think it's right to give cops gun and everybody else not to have a gun?
57:13
SPEAKER_02: This is my thing.
57:15
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that we have the right in America to tell somebody which gun they can and cannot buy.
57:22
SPEAKER_02: Because if that's the case, the same gun lobbyist is gonna be like, you know what?
57:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't want y'all to have uh four eight-cylinder cars.
57:29
SPEAKER_02: Because I can make the argument that if all cars are two cylinders, nobody would die from an accident.
57:33
SPEAKER_02: And then you're gonna look at him like no.
57:35
SPEAKER_05: Well, they lowered the speed limit.
57:36
SPEAKER_05: No, no, but that doesn't stop.
57:37
SPEAKER_05: That doesn't stop enough.
57:38
SPEAKER_02: If the car can't get something, it does.
57:41
SPEAKER_05: No, no, it did stop the death because the pedestrian.
57:43
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it definitely did.
57:44
SPEAKER_05: No, no, because if the cars are going at a lower rate of speed, you're less likely to die as a pedestrian.
57:50
SPEAKER_02: But let me ask you a quick question who's obeying these laws if they follow them.
57:56
SPEAKER_02: I go higher than the speed limit with the biggest.
57:58
SPEAKER_05: It's an incentive, guys.
57:59
SPEAKER_05: It's an incentive.
58:00
SPEAKER_05: You think doing nothing is better?
58:02
SPEAKER_05: Does it not?
58:02
SPEAKER_05: Let me ask you another question.
58:03
SPEAKER_05: You have to do little things.
58:04
SPEAKER_02: You have to ask a solution.
58:07
SPEAKER_02: Let me ask the simple question.
58:08
SPEAKER_02: I have a plausible solution.
58:09
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
58:10
SPEAKER_02: This is my thing.
58:11
SPEAKER_02: I agree with both sides.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: The argument that I'm gonna 100% disagree with is one, eliminating all guns.
58:16
SPEAKER_02: I think that's dumb.
58:17
SPEAKER_02: Number two, is telling me what type of gun to buy.
58:20
SPEAKER_02: I get the argument.
58:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's a dumb argument.
58:22
SPEAKER_02: I just think it's impossible.
58:23
SPEAKER_02: Because if you're gonna be able to sit here and tell me you don't like the guns I buy, then I can make the argument I don't like the clothes you buy, I don't like the video games you buy, I don't like the cars you buy.
58:31
SPEAKER_02: So it's just a big thing.
58:33
SPEAKER_02: That's a great way.
58:36
SPEAKER_02: No, it's not gonna murder.
58:38
SPEAKER_02: The issue is violent.
58:39
SPEAKER_02: Like, the issue is violent.
58:41
SPEAKER_02: I can make the greater good.
58:42
SPEAKER_02: If you there's this Abercrombie offense selling blood and crypt clothing, I'm gonna be like, fuck that.
58:47
SPEAKER_02: I don't want none of that shit.
58:48
SPEAKER_02: But if I'm a person that's not a blood or a crypt, but I like how that shit looks, I can't buy my shit now because y'all think this is violence.
58:53
SPEAKER_02: It's a person that likes to play GTA.
58:55
SPEAKER_02: I can't play GTA now because y'all think it's violence.
58:57
SPEAKER_04: These are the things that the government has to pass.
58:59
SPEAKER_04: You think the government's gonna pass something related to crypt clothing?
59:02
SPEAKER_04: No, they will be able to do that.
59:04
SPEAKER_04: They will, they will pass.
59:06
SPEAKER_02: I can go right now and buy a blood flag tomorrow.
59:09
SPEAKER_01: It's legal.
59:10
SPEAKER_01: Perfectly table with zap set.
59:12
SPEAKER_01: It's a band.
59:12
SPEAKER_01: Perfectly table with zap set.
59:16
SPEAKER_07: But it's still a matter.
59:20
SPEAKER_01: It's like a 50.
59:26
SPEAKER_01: Come in the match shooting over that bandana right now.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: That's just like what 50 said.
59:37
SPEAKER_06: You can't stop gun, but you're promoting guns and it's an ultra gun.
59:43
SPEAKER_07: Hold on.
59:43
SPEAKER_07: You're gonna think about guns.
59:46
SPEAKER_07: I'm just thinking about guns.
59:50
SPEAKER_02: We're just thinking of waiting.
59:51
SPEAKER_05: You're just thinking about guns.
59:53
SPEAKER_05: He's been waiting.
59:54
SPEAKER_05: He's been waiting.
59:55
SPEAKER_01: You're thinking about guns, right?
59:57
SPEAKER_01: What about all these Spanish gangs that's cutting people with knives?
59:59
SPEAKER_01: What are we gonna tell you?
1:00:00
SPEAKER_01: You can't carry a knife?
1:00:01
SPEAKER_05: Listen, guys.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_01: Listen guys.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_05: Listen, guys.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_05: Why are you guys trying to solve a problem by pointing out another problem?
1:00:09
SPEAKER_05: Like, that's not how you get shit solved.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_05: Like, that's not gonna help anything.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_05: Like, obviously, people are gonna commit murders for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean you have you can ignore the gun violence problem.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_05: Do you get what I'm saying?
1:00:23
SPEAKER_05: I can kill someone with my bare hands.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_02: I understand what you're saying.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_03: You can kill someone with a razor blade.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_02: I understand what you're saying.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_02: You know?
1:00:29
SPEAKER_02: The point I'm trying to make is once it's a slippery slope.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_02: If you allow yourselves to be like, hey, I'm gonna eliminate this specific type of gun, then there's a lobby that is with guns.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be like, listen, I'm gonna make the same exact argument you're making, but I'm gonna make it about cars, or I'm gonna make it about clothing, or I'm gonna make it about video games.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_02: So let's just like this is America.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_02: We have rights.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_02: So let's start with.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_02: Gotta remember that fact.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_02: So this is my opinion.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_02: I think that, and I said this before on the podcast with old school listeners, I think that the it should be more rigorous.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_02: I think that if you want to buy a gun, you have to get a co-signer.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_02: So the co-signer understands that if this person uses this gun to shoot up a school, not only is this guy gonna go to jail, the guy that did the shooting, but you who co-signed for him is gonna have to stand there and face judgment.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_02: As they do with loans.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_02: And I think exactly.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_02: And America understands debt.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: So let's understand death.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_02: So if I co-sign for Ace to get a gun and he shoots up a school, I'm gonna go to jail.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_02: That's gonna make me second think who I'm gonna sign co-sign for the gun for.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_02: I know Ace has a mental illness.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_02: You know what, Ace?
1:01:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, you're in my man's and everything.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_02: But if you're too unstable, I'm not co-signing for it.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_02: It's just like debt in America.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_02: I believe that.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_02: If I will go into business with uh with Ace, I know Ace is good with his credit, and I know he's not gonna fuck up my shit.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_02: Ace, we're going into business.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_02: But if he's bad at business, Ace, I love you, my brother, but I'm not gonna fuck with you on that type of shit.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_02: And I think that is a great solution for guns.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_05: I like that.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_05: Just like I said, I like what Japan makes their citizens go through.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_05: Like if you really want a gun, one, you have to show that you're fit enough to use it.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_00: But you have accuracy.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_02: That don't work here.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_02: That's not true.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes, it does.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_02: We don't understand Japan.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_02: We don't understand.
1:02:10
SPEAKER_05: It doesn't have to be accurate.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_05: If you have a listen, if you have a car, you have to prove that you're able to drive.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_05: If you have a gun, I don't prove they're able to do it.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_06: You have to have a driving test.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_06: No, no, you don't.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_06: But I'm saying you have to have a shooting.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_06: You why you have a shooting when you're gonna be able to do it.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_01: All of us have seen drivers on the road, but you need the money in the car, right?
1:02:35
SPEAKER_00: For a permanent.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_00: It's just like a motorcycle.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_05: No, if you have a permit, you need someone with a license to be in the car with you if you don't have the license yet.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_02: Legally, but how do you?
1:02:46
SPEAKER_02: Illegally.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_05: Chubbs.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be able to do that.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_05: The issue is you pass laws for a reason.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_05: Obviously, there are people gonna be that don't obey the laws, but you pass them for a reason to reduce the amount of that behavior.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_05: Okay, and you said that.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_05: So that's what I'm saying.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_05: Like I that's a really good point with the co-signer, but I feel like if you if you have a gun, you should at least be able to prove that you can use it.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's your final point.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_02: Chubbs, your final point?
1:03:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't have one.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_02: My final point is I agree with a lot of the things you're saying, Kay, but this is K8.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_02: K8 K0-I disagree just because America has a completely different culture than Japan.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_02: Like Zap said earlier, we came up on guns.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be impossible for you to tell a family that has a gun for generations, just like you could tell a guy that has been driving V8 engines his whole life that he can only drive a two-cylinder car now because you don't feel comfortable.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_02: So the easiest way to change guns in America would be to do it in a way we understand.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_02: Everybody understand everybody in America understands debt, co-signing, these are things that we are all ingrained with.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_02: Because you could get a credit card, you need a co-sign.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_02: You want to open a business we know.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_05: And I think a buyback program.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_05: No, that's cool too.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_05: But so if people who are willingly to give up your gun and at least decrease the amount that you can.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_02: We understand money.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_05: So I think the buyback program, Japan, and the cosigner are all good ideas.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't think Japan works because we don't have the same rigorous things.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_04: But the thing is, it doesn't have to be as try.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_04: Like you know what I'm saying, everybody.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_07: It doesn't have to be absolutist, like at least try.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_07: It doesn't have to be as complicated, but there has to be certain levels that you have to pass in order to obtain a gun.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_02: Okay, fair.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm sweating now, so let's talk about some ratchet shit.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_02: We we we were too serious for like the first whole hour of this podcast.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_02: So we got some ratchet shit to talk about.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, I know this, I know this guy uh has been out the media, well, our media circle for a minute, but uh 6ix9ine has recently popped up in headlines for a whole lot of shit.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_02: So let's hear it.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_01: So alright.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna start we're gonna start from the the bottom of the bottom.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_01: The bottom.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_01: The bottom of the bottom.
1:04:55
SPEAKER_01: So 6ix9ine has had his court case.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_02: It's fucking Treyway, by the way.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_01: He's not allowed to now say Treyway in his music at all.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_00: His two boyfriends mad at him now.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_00: They they broke up.
1:05:09
SPEAKER_01: No, they're not mad at it.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't know about all that.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_01: But his court case was for the um what was it?
1:05:15
SPEAKER_01: Rape with a little not rape.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sex with an underage.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_01: Correct him if he's wrong.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_02: That rap that rape one is way past that one.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_02: The the recent one is actually like punching the kid in Texas.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_01: Or like so, so, so, so film filling way up, I'm feeling like that.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, didn't the kid want them to drop the charges?
1:05:33
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the kid wanted them to drop the charges.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_02: I feel like he got paid off for the state.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_02: But the judge was just like, Yeah, you're doing too much shit.
1:05:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, prosecution has the the um the power to say that they want to go forth with the um with the charges regardless of the fact.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because isn't that the whole um with Fab and Emily B because I don't think she wants them to pursue it but
1:06:00
SPEAKER_02: Smart though he married her, so she couldn't testify against him.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:06:03
SPEAKER_02: Genius Mark.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, they got married?
1:06:05
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:06:06
unknown: When?
1:06:07
SPEAKER_02: Right after?
1:06:08
SPEAKER_02: Right after.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_01: Right after.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_01: So okay, so he's not allowed to say Trey Wait.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_01: Nobody wanna see them shells.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_01: He's not allowed to see say Trey Wait.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_01: How do you feel that's gonna affect his career?
1:06:19
SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna affect him at all.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_00: He just gotta make sure he don't say it, so it's not.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like if he says it, then he's going to jail.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_00: But like if he does he go to jail or does he get sued?
1:06:28
SPEAKER_01: I think he goes to jail.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a good idea.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_01: If he sees it, he's on probation for four years.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_01: He can't say it.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: He can't do any obviously he can't get into trouble.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_01: How, bro?
1:06:37
SPEAKER_05: You can't violate.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_01: Because it's it's referring back to his probation.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_01: It's referring back to a negative, a negative.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_01: Scum gang?
1:06:47
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_01: He's good.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_01: It's just fucking Treyway.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_01: I think scum gang's a better adler.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's one.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_01: That's one.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_01: Now to unfold the best of the best.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_01: So he goes to excited everyone.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_02: That's his boyfriend.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_02: He fucked up.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_02: Are you a fan of 6ix9ine?
1:07:02
SPEAKER_01: I am.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_01: I like his music.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_01: No, you love him.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_01: So I'm not sure the exact name of the venue that happened.
1:07:08
SPEAKER_01: Zap knows.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_01: What's the name of the venue that he went with the YG?
1:07:12
SPEAKER_01: It's um.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_01: What I skipped.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_02: The shooting.
1:07:17
SPEAKER_01: That's after.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_02: The shooting that occurred at the the um the restaurant?
1:07:23
SPEAKER_02: It's after?
1:07:24
SPEAKER_02: The restaurant.
1:07:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're talking about with, but they said that didn't have anything to do with him because he wasn't there supposed to be.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_01: He absolutely was there.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we could backtrack it.
1:07:32
SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
1:07:32
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm gonna let y'all leave it.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't give a fuck about 6ix9ine.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_01: So basically now he goes to Complex Con.
1:07:39
SPEAKER_01: Complex Con.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
1:07:41
SPEAKER_01: I said it before you said it's overlap.
1:07:43
SPEAKER_01: They run into YG's people.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_01: Ladies.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_01: YG's people press like you're not getting in, you're not performing the same thing.
1:07:47
SPEAKER_01: His name is actually Slim 400.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_01: It's 400.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_01: 400.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_01: 400.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_01: Slim 400.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_01: Slim 400.
1:07:54
SPEAKER_01: Presses him basically, they go back and forth.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_01: If you watch the video, if you watch the video, YG, not YG, 6'9 testes him.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's people in between that stopping them from getting to each other, but he doesn't he doesn't back off.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_01: He's still with that, like that Was he behind security?
1:08:15
SPEAKER_00: My man weighs five pounds.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_00: So he's jumping at a 50-pound wall, it ain't gonna move.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the wall wasn't moving, but it's not like they was tossing him away.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:08:25
SPEAKER_00: Because they're not worried about him either.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_01: But this is my thing.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_00: Was he behind security?
1:08:29
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_00: Was he behind cops?
1:08:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:08:31
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if there was cops.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_01: I know there was security.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_01: But okay, now this is my thing.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is my thing.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_01: You tell me I can't go somewhere if I land in LA this and third.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_01: I show up, I still pop up in front of your face.
1:08:42
SPEAKER_01: You do nothing.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_01: Who said that?
1:08:44
SPEAKER_01: Who said he's gonna go to LA?
1:08:46
SPEAKER_02: Did Slim 400 say that?
1:08:48
SPEAKER_02: Did YG say that?
1:08:50
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember them saying he couldn't go to LA.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_02: He wasn't on a no-fire list.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_02: Why are you looking at it?
1:08:55
SPEAKER_02: They just can't.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_02: They encouraged him to come.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_02: You know what?
1:09:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm done with this.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_01: I hate y'all.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_01: Wait, you hate me because you're wrong?
1:09:03
SPEAKER_01: How am I wrong?
1:09:04
SPEAKER_01: Was he not getting through saying don't come back to LA?
1:09:08
SPEAKER_02: 400?
1:09:09
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_01: But it's like what point are you trying to prove?
1:09:12
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
1:09:12
SPEAKER_01: Fuck you.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm done.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_00: Do you think 6ix9ine actually has uh I think he got heart?
1:09:19
SPEAKER_00: Heart.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_00: Um does that mean that he's done anything that's worth your praise?
1:09:24
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
1:09:26
SPEAKER_00: What heart do you think he has?
1:09:27
SPEAKER_00: What musical aspirations or a thug life heart?
1:09:30
SPEAKER_00: What kind of thing yelling?
1:09:31
SPEAKER_01: The fact that he don't back down.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_02: He was behind security.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_00: Chihuahua doesn't back down behind behind a window either.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_01: If I'm barking, are you really about that life?
1:09:40
SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna shoot.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_01: What are you supposed to do on camera?
1:09:44
SPEAKER_01: Step down and knock me out.
1:09:45
SPEAKER_01: How?
1:09:45
SPEAKER_01: If you have security out.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_00: Walk out like Pac did when he came to come see Nas and snatch his chain off his neck.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_00: Step down his own hood.
1:09:54
SPEAKER_00: That's how you do it.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_02: Step down.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_02: How can I step down and knock you out if you have security?
1:09:59
SPEAKER_02: And police.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_02: It don't matter.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_02: No, no, I'm asking you a question.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_02: Whether you're not going to be able to do it.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
1:10:07
SPEAKER_01: When the shoe got thrown and everything, the space.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_01: They didn't canal is the whole issue.
1:10:10
SPEAKER_05: She didn't connect.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_05: That's why she had to throw the shit.
1:10:15
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_05: Security.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_02: So, well, according to Nicky.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_02: According to Nikki, it was by Ra Ali, but that's a whole different argument.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_02: I want you to tell me if you were in the situation with 6ix9ine, what you would have done if you were Slim 400.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_01: And I'm there with my people, I'm bum rushing all them niggas.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm knocking everybody out.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_01: And I'm going so.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_01: Against you and your management.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_01: Against trans arms.
1:10:34
SPEAKER_01: And you're going to bum rush them.
1:10:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:10:36
SPEAKER_01: And what is that accomplishment?
1:10:37
SPEAKER_01: It's going to be a brawl.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_01: How is it going to be a brawl if I'm 12 security?
1:10:41
SPEAKER_01: You're in my hometown.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_05: And they they're armed.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_05: Yo.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_05: You're where I am, man.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_00: You're where I am.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_00: In my definition of heart, if you got heart, you're going to tell both of your mans, yo, I got this.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take care of this.
1:10:58
SPEAKER_01: Let him come through.
1:10:59
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm you pussy.
1:11:01
SPEAKER_01: So now, okay.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_01: So let's get even further.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_01: So now, YG gets into the accent.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, 6ix9ine's trolling.
1:11:08
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:11:09
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing there.
1:11:10
SPEAKER_01: Why, why?
1:11:11
SPEAKER_01: No altercation.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_01: No, why?
1:11:12
SPEAKER_01: Why?
1:11:12
SPEAKER_01: You're not going to sit there and be on my post talking shit.
1:11:14
SPEAKER_01: Nigga, what?
1:11:15
SPEAKER_01: Whatever you want.
1:11:16
SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
1:11:18
SPEAKER_01: When the shots happen at the music video, you don't think that has anything to correlate with why you're talking about it?
1:11:22
SPEAKER_02: Whether it does or not, I don't understand why you're saying this nigga has heart if he's talking shit behind the security.
1:11:29
SPEAKER_02: Talking shit no matter how it is.
1:11:31
SPEAKER_02: And behind the security.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_01: It don't matter.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_02: If it doesn't matter to you, that's a whole different argument.
1:11:34
SPEAKER_02: You were raised in 2008.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_02: That's not my fault.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_02: It don't matter.
1:11:37
SPEAKER_02: I was raised in the 90s.
1:11:38
SPEAKER_02: That's not hard.
1:11:38
SPEAKER_02: That's not hard.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_01: If I'm talking shit, you get to me no matter what.
1:11:41
SPEAKER_01: No, that doesn't make any sense.
1:11:42
SPEAKER_01: That literally makes no sense.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_02: If you are with the cops, how can I get to you?
1:11:46
SPEAKER_01: Nigga, if Joe is talking shit up the block with the hips and his brother and the cops on the block, and I'm really bad, really about to get it, I'm knocking him out.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_01: With the cops?
1:11:54
SPEAKER_01: I don't give a fuck.
1:11:55
SPEAKER_02: Niggas is dumb.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't think.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_02: Everybody's gonna lie, number one.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_07: Easier said than jobs.
1:12:02
SPEAKER_07: Easier said than lying.
1:12:05
SPEAKER_02: You're not doing that.
1:12:07
SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna connect and you're gonna go to game.
1:12:09
SPEAKER_01: Look at the situation at Summer Jam when that dude had a cop stand.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_01: They were still pressing.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_01: I forgot this nigga's name.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_01: The skinny nigga that was at Summer Jam when he outside.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_02: You're not listening.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_02: Yo, game.
1:12:23
SPEAKER_02: Well the cops work.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_01: So wait, so because the cops are working for me, I just gotta be on subscribe.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_01: How we know for a fact the cops was working for him?
1:12:28
SPEAKER_02: Because they're standing in front of him.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_02: He had cops when he went to the game.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_00: You remember the game at 50 Cent beach?
1:12:34
SPEAKER_00: Walking around.
1:12:37
SPEAKER_00: They seem to have pieced things up behind the scenes.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:12:41
SPEAKER_00: And uh Game came out with the video saying, yo, when y'all see 50 Cent in the street, leave him the fuck alone.
1:12:46
SPEAKER_00: He got federal money.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_00: He got them them feds with him.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_00: Them feds that'll jump through the fucking windshield on your ass and pop you when you see him leave him alone.
1:12:54
SPEAKER_02: He wasn't outside when that was happening, that's why.
1:12:56
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:12:56
SPEAKER_00: So if that's coming from Game.
1:12:58
SPEAKER_01: Now let me ask you a question.
1:12:59
SPEAKER_01: So you're trying to.
1:12:59
SPEAKER_01: He's got street cred.
1:13:00
SPEAKER_01: You're trying to get a chance.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_00: And we'll take your handle the business one-on-one.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_01: Now let me tell you, you think 6ix9ine got that type of money?
1:13:05
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:13:05
SPEAKER_00: You know who's going to be able to do that?
1:13:06
SPEAKER_00: What the fuck you mean?
1:13:07
SPEAKER_00: How does 6ix9ine have chains on his neck after getting robbed?
1:13:10
SPEAKER_05: And to pay all that security.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_05: First of all, first.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_05: Do you know who Matthew?
1:13:13
SPEAKER_05: Wait, how are you saying?
1:13:15
SPEAKER_02: Wait, time out.
1:13:15
SPEAKER_02: You know the Treyway CEO Shoddy?
1:13:19
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_02: He just bailed himself out for a million-dollar bond.
1:13:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_01: What?
1:13:23
SPEAKER_01: He has he has what you call a bailsman that he posted up that said they'll come whenever I need because they know I'm good for it.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that means he has money.
1:13:29
SPEAKER_02: He just Okay, so has to pay that million dollars bond.
1:13:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but you know, you know for a fact that if your charges get dropped, you don't pay the whole bill.
1:13:37
SPEAKER_08: For a bond, you only have to put down 10%.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_08: You only have to put down like 10%.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_00: That's still$100,000?
1:13:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a lot of people.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_01: So you're trying to tell me that, okay, so 6-9 automatically has his money because Treyway got that money?
1:13:48
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm telling you.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_02: Listen, Nipsey Hustle bailed.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_02: Nipsey Hussle bailed his brother out for legitimate dollars.
1:13:56
SPEAKER_02: You don't think 6ix9ine has more money than Nipsey Hussle?
1:13:58
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely does.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_02: You think that?
1:14:00
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't want to be able to do it.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, his songs are more popular, are more mainstream.
1:14:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna explain this to you one more time.
1:14:05
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_02: Do you know who 6ix9ine's management is?
1:14:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:14:08
SPEAKER_02: Who is it?
1:14:09
SPEAKER_02: The whole tradeway.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_02: 6ix9ine's manager, his brother is the mayor of the city of Chicago.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_02: That's who's managing him.
1:14:17
SPEAKER_01: So do you know what money is?
1:14:18
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know what money is.
1:14:19
SPEAKER_02: So can you put two and two together?
1:14:21
SPEAKER_02: Do you see what I'm trying to break down for you?
1:14:22
SPEAKER_02: This guy is.
1:14:23
SPEAKER_02: I still don't think.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_02: This guy's investment is 6ix9ine.
1:14:25
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_02: His brother is a mayor.
1:14:27
SPEAKER_02: You don't think he has millions of dollars?
1:14:29
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't even take millions of dollars.
1:14:30
SPEAKER_02: You don't think he has tens of thousands of dollars higher arm cards?
1:14:33
SPEAKER_02: And NIFT.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_07: Remember, 6ix9ine is a new rapper, so he doesn't have that much money.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_07: It says here that his net worth is only$4 million.
1:14:40
SPEAKER_07: That's from what?
1:14:41
SPEAKER_00: Two years ago.
1:14:43
SPEAKER_07: But that's really fast.
1:14:43
SPEAKER_00: Like he had two years ago, he had nothing.
1:14:47
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and he's only been out for like a few songs, to be honest.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_01: Like niggas can still get to the ticket.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_01: Listen, listen.
1:14:58
SPEAKER_02: Those are his niggas.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_02: Over look, over all the over all the endorsements, all the stuff that Treyway as a unit actually talked to somebody that we go, insider.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_02: Relax.
1:15:08
SPEAKER_02: That actually does make up for Alexis Guy and where grew up with Shoddy.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_00: Grew up with Shoddy.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_02: In the Treyway bank account, there's$30 million.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_02: Whether it be investments, because Treyway doesn't also just only have 6ix9ine.
1:15:24
SPEAKER_02: So he's actually funding her whole beauty shop for$500,000.
1:15:30
SPEAKER_02: That's a money front.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_00: Washing machine.
1:15:32
SPEAKER_00: That's a money front.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_00: Let's wash my channel.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_02: No, you're not understanding.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_02: Yo, why you still sucked out?
1:15:39
SPEAKER_02: When you have money, look, okay, if you win the lottery tomorrow, right?
1:15:42
SPEAKER_02: The government legally puts a certain type of government issued security on you after you win a certain amount of money.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_01: So everybody that won that big um lottery got security now?
1:15:54
SPEAKER_01: If you get over a certain uh certain amount of money.
1:15:58
SPEAKER_02: For how long?
1:15:59
SPEAKER_02: Until that money runs up.
1:16:00
SPEAKER_02: Why does that matter?
1:16:01
SPEAKER_02: The point was trying to prove it.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_02: This is what I'm gonna say right now.
1:16:04
SPEAKER_02: I want you to get to 6ix9ine tomorrow.
1:16:05
SPEAKER_01: This is what I'm gonna say.
1:16:07
SPEAKER_01: Niggas can get to Obama's house, but niggas can't get to 6ix9ine tomorrow.
1:16:10
SPEAKER_01: Nobody got to Obama's tomorrow.
1:16:13
SPEAKER_01: The package didn't get to the house?
1:16:14
SPEAKER_00: The person didn't get to the house.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_00: But did the package get to the house?
1:16:16
SPEAKER_00: That's like saying trip saying 6ix9ine's words killed somebody.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_01: So if that bomb would have got to the house and detonate, what are we gonna say?
1:16:24
SPEAKER_01: It didn't get hit, the guy didn't get there.
1:16:25
SPEAKER_01: No, the guy didn't get there.
1:16:26
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
1:16:27
SPEAKER_00: The guy did not get there.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_00: No matter what.
1:16:29
SPEAKER_02: He didn't connect.
1:16:30
SPEAKER_02: His bomb did.
1:16:30
SPEAKER_02: No, no, for real, bro.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_02: All I want you to do tomorrow is just approve a point, get to 6ix9ine's, get through 6ix9ine's security and just give him a dab.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_02: So you approve the point that you can get through.
1:16:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, put like this.
1:16:41
SPEAKER_01: Zap got through Beyonce's security and gave her a hug, right?
1:16:44
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what she's talking about.
1:16:45
SPEAKER_02: Funny as hell.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay, then.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what she's talking about.
1:16:47
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_02: That was at the title conference.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_02: That's that's Beyonce, too.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
1:16:52
SPEAKER_01: And Beyonce don't got more security than she's.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, she wasn't.
1:16:54
SPEAKER_02: Like it was only it was only one security guard.
1:16:56
SPEAKER_00: I just saw you as a soft, lovable.
1:16:58
SPEAKER_02: And it was backstage.
1:17:00
SPEAKER_02: No, I want you to approach 6ix9ine.
1:17:02
SPEAKER_02: There's no harm in the eye.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to a 6ix9ine conference.
1:17:04
SPEAKER_02: There's no harm in your eyes.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_02: I want you to approach him in a very aggressive manner, let his security get on guard, and then proceed to give him a dab after that.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_02: And it's not a good thing.
1:17:11
SPEAKER_02: And when it doesn't happen, do I have the right to slap you?
1:17:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_00: Alright, thank you.
1:17:14
SPEAKER_00: When I go to the conference, we are gonna have the camera crew.
1:17:17
SPEAKER_00: Remember when hot 97 used to do this shit?
1:17:20
SPEAKER_00: The slap competition.
1:17:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he wasn't outside for that either.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_01: Treyway, nigga.
1:17:25
SPEAKER_02: No, remember, you gotta start off aggressive.
1:17:27
SPEAKER_02: You gotta be like, yo, fuck you, 6ix9ine.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_02: And at the end result, gotta be you dapping him up.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_02: Alright, but right through his security.
1:17:32
SPEAKER_01: I might get shot while I dapping him up, but I'm still gonna get there.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_02: How would you get shot?
1:17:35
SPEAKER_02: Now you're good.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_02: I'ma still get there.
1:17:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, as long as you dap him.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_02: I'ma still get there.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_02: And then you can slap me if you dap him after saying fuck 6ix9ine.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_02: I wanna fight you.
1:17:45
SPEAKER_02: Open palm.
1:17:49
SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna stay on some ratchet shit.
1:17:50
SPEAKER_02: How's he gonna have proof though?
1:17:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's gonna be all.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm putting a GoPro on my head on my forehead.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_02: You definitely can get the security with that.
1:17:56
SPEAKER_02: 6ix9ine gonna be recording that shit.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_02: And you white.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_02: So it's gonna work.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_02: So um, can we talk about Matt Barnes for one second?
1:18:04
SPEAKER_02: Um so if those of you are not familiar, Matt Barnes uh was an ex-NBA player.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_02: He had a very public breakup with his wife.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_02: Another ex-NBA player, Derek Fisher, was like sleeping with his wife, who was also an ex-teammate of his at one point.
1:18:16
SPEAKER_01: Um what would you gotta say?
1:18:22
SPEAKER_02: No, there's no proof of that.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: Derek Fisher's a piece of shit.
1:18:24
SPEAKER_02: So at one point, Matt Barnes actually drove like almost across the country to go confront his wife, whose name is Gloria.
1:18:32
SPEAKER_02: Nah, he was he just drove.
1:18:34
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why he didn't fly.
1:18:35
SPEAKER_02: Nobody heard your question.
1:18:37
SPEAKER_00: It takes time to call and try to find a flight.
1:18:39
SPEAKER_02: You've obviously never been in a heated situation.
1:18:41
SPEAKER_02: You was like, fuck that shit.
1:18:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm driving.
1:18:43
SPEAKER_02: But that's what I'm saying.
1:18:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm driving.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_01: You got time to think about it.
1:18:47
SPEAKER_01: He had one thing to think about.
1:18:48
SPEAKER_01: I would have done it.
1:18:50
SPEAKER_01: You know, hell fucked up.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_02: But Matt Barnes wasn't scared.
1:18:57
SPEAKER_01: Nigga, you know how long it's gonna take you to drive across the whole country.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_02: I don't mean literally across the country.
1:19:01
SPEAKER_02: It was just a very long, you know, drive.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_02: He gets there, he confronts them, and everybody thought Matt Barnes was losing there, you know.
1:19:07
SPEAKER_02: He's everybody's talking about, yeah, Fisher, you took your girl on some future shit, and you gotta eat that.
1:19:12
SPEAKER_02: But long story short, recently, the uh his wife, his estrange wife actually, had his kids in the car while they were on some wild goose chase.
1:19:21
SPEAKER_02: Like some people, some reports are saying that she tried to run him over, all kind of crazy stuff.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_02: But in the end, my man's Matt Barnes defeated the whole system of you know feminism because no man wins his wins his kids.
1:19:35
SPEAKER_02: It's like almost impossible for you to get sole custody of your kid.
1:19:39
SPEAKER_02: It's almost impossible as a man to get that.
1:19:42
SPEAKER_02: Like you have to prove that you're baby.
1:19:43
SPEAKER_00: The only two niggas I know that did it she gotta be strong and crack in the fucking in the court of the case.
1:19:48
SPEAKER_02: Of course, yeah.
1:19:48
SPEAKER_02: Like that's it's it's it's almost impossible.
1:19:50
SPEAKER_02: Dwayne Wade is another dude who he wants sole custody of his kids as well.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_02: He waited only two, and he just got a baby with Gabrielle Union.
1:19:56
SPEAKER_02: Let's shout that out too.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
1:19:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy for him.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_02: He's cooking right now.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they tried, she was trying for so long.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_02: So congrats, miscarriages.
1:20:04
SPEAKER_02: She had a lot of miscarriages, so God bless her.
1:20:07
SPEAKER_02: She couldn't have uh she couldn't conceive properly.
1:20:08
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, they did it through surgery.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_02: She got the waiting.
1:20:11
SPEAKER_08: But it's still her baby.
1:20:12
SPEAKER_08: So baby girl.
1:20:13
SPEAKER_08: It's still their baby.
1:20:14
SPEAKER_02: You think he he you think she allowed him to hit the other one, or they just implanted it?
1:20:17
SPEAKER_02: No, they literally just implanted it.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_02: That's not how these things work.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how to do it.
1:20:20
SPEAKER_05: No, no, IBF.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_05: It's insemination.
1:20:22
SPEAKER_05: They it's IVF.
1:20:23
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because why would you want someone else's DNA?
1:20:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he doesn't know what DNA is.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_05: They in a dish, they they have the sperm and then the egg, and then they fertilize it and then shoot it back into the other woman.
1:20:35
SPEAKER_05: It's like a bun in someone else's oven, but it's your ingredients.
1:20:38
SPEAKER_01: When I was at a child, the minute it touches air, it dies.
1:20:41
SPEAKER_01: So I just want to know how all this works.
1:20:42
SPEAKER_01: No.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_05: What did this nigga just say?
1:20:44
SPEAKER_05: Wait, it doesn't die.
1:20:46
SPEAKER_01: I was told I was told going to school.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_01: What school you went to?
1:20:49
SPEAKER_01: At PS13.
1:20:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they feel like that.
1:20:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
1:20:52
SPEAKER_01: Nigga said, when you nut and it hits the air, your semen dies.
1:20:57
SPEAKER_02: No, that's not how it is.
1:20:58
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_07: Not at all.
1:21:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay, anyway.
1:21:00
SPEAKER_01: So break it down.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_01: Break it down.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not going to.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna get back to the street.
1:21:03
SPEAKER_07: Women have spermic that does kill your sperm, but anyway.
1:21:07
SPEAKER_05: So basically, if your sperm hits this table, they're still microscopically swimming.
1:21:12
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:21:13
SPEAKER_07: Eventually.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_01: So I could just scoop it off the table and put it in the middle.
1:21:16
SPEAKER_07: They're alive for a few days.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_07: They're alive for a few days.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_07: You can take a turkey baster and then even in your girl and she could get pregnant.
1:21:23
SPEAKER_07: Even in a in a person.
1:21:25
SPEAKER_02: You specifically just either.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't want no offspring to be running.
1:21:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, they don't die from stupid questions.
1:21:30
SPEAKER_01: Stupid questions.
1:21:31
SPEAKER_05: We're getting off track here.
1:21:33
SPEAKER_01: Stupid question.
1:21:33
SPEAKER_01: Let go.
1:21:34
SPEAKER_01: So, how is it that it only could impregnate her through the vagina and nowhere else in her body?
1:21:41
SPEAKER_05: Because there's such things that are, right?
1:21:48
SPEAKER_05: You have your uterus and then you have your fallopian tubes.
1:21:51
SPEAKER_05: So the sperm have to swim up there, and that's in the fallopian tubes, is where the egg is.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_05: So the sperm has to swim in there.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_01: This nigga don't know how a baby is made.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_01: There's no other region there.
1:22:04
SPEAKER_05: No, it's only through the look at the woman that got impregnant by the octopus.
1:22:09
SPEAKER_01: Nah, it's only got impregnated by baby octopus.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_02: She wasn't literally pregnant by an octopus.
1:22:15
SPEAKER_05: She had eggs in her.
1:22:16
SPEAKER_00: This nigga's in the hatched.
1:22:18
SPEAKER_05: No, they didn't impregnate her eggs.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_00: So the womb is not in the New York City.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_00: You can't take many different tunnels to get into.
1:22:26
SPEAKER_00: You were educating people.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_06: What school did you go to?
1:22:29
SPEAKER_02: Public State James?
1:22:30
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
1:22:31
SPEAKER_02: Don't blame public.
1:22:33
SPEAKER_02: You went to private school.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_05: We went to public schools.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_02: Because they don't talk about sex in no PS school, so what the fuck are you talking about?
1:22:38
SPEAKER_02: Nigga, in fifth grade, we had sex ed.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_02: No, no, you didn't.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_02: No, you did not.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_05: And I have sex ed in my public school.
1:22:43
SPEAKER_05: Apparently you weren't paying attention jobs.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_01: Don't blame them.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_01: Then I had sex in the sixth grade, too.
1:22:49
SPEAKER_01: Then you had sex at the same time.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_07: PS13 do better.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_01: So St.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_01: John's in the teacher.
1:22:54
SPEAKER_01: I don't think we did sex.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I took sex ed at the St.
1:22:56
SPEAKER_01: John's.
1:22:56
SPEAKER_02: High school.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_07: No, but I never had sex ed in high school.
1:23:03
SPEAKER_01: Zap, say it on the mic.
1:23:05
SPEAKER_07: Do you remember her name?
1:23:07
SPEAKER_01: I never had Pinicus.
1:23:08
SPEAKER_01: Zap.
1:23:10
SPEAKER_01: You were in the same class in high school.
1:23:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're in the same gym class.
1:23:13
SPEAKER_01: That don't mean we were in the same sex ed class.
1:23:15
SPEAKER_02: Sex editing gym is the same thing, same curriculum.
1:23:18
SPEAKER_02: No, because we had gym one week and religion the other week.
1:23:21
SPEAKER_02: So what the fuck are you telling me?
1:23:22
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_02: Mr.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_02: Pennicus.
1:23:24
SPEAKER_07: Sex editing gym was different from iSool.
1:23:26
SPEAKER_07: They were two different classes.
1:23:27
SPEAKER_02: No, for who taught sex ed?
1:23:28
SPEAKER_02: St.
1:23:28
SPEAKER_02: Gay?
1:23:29
SPEAKER_02: Wasn't the gym teacher?
1:23:30
SPEAKER_02: Mr.
1:23:30
SPEAKER_02: Pennicus.
1:23:30
SPEAKER_02: No.
1:23:31
SPEAKER_02: It was a different teacher.
1:23:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it depends on the budget.
1:23:37
SPEAKER_01: Collins?
1:23:37
SPEAKER_01: Collins.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_01: He taught sex ed.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_01: I didn't have Collins.
1:23:39
SPEAKER_01: I only had Collins for Jim.
1:23:40
SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
1:23:41
SPEAKER_01: But what was it?
1:23:42
SPEAKER_01: We didn't learn sex in gym.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_01: St.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_01: John.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_01: He showed us the video.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_00: Chubbs wasn't paying attention.
1:23:49
SPEAKER_00: We found out what he was skipping in high school.
1:23:51
SPEAKER_00: He was skipping sex ed.
1:23:53
SPEAKER_00: I know everything about this topic.
1:23:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:23:55
SPEAKER_00: That's why you think it's that we've got to do that.
1:23:56
SPEAKER_00: Chubb is only paying attention to the sex part of the thing.
1:23:58
SPEAKER_00: Sex ed and gym was the same thing about the gym.
1:24:00
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because what happens is sometimes they do half of the semester gym and then the other half sex ed.
1:24:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's like they'll break it up into the six semester, but then they're going to play ball in the gym because I ain't go to no damn class.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_02: He was just there for the attendance.
1:24:21
SPEAKER_07: What's up with Matt Barnes?
1:24:22
SPEAKER_07: Matt Barnes.
1:24:26
SPEAKER_02: And I wanted just to bring up this whole point because why are women always get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to custody of children?
1:24:36
SPEAKER_01: Because they got a vagina.
1:24:38
SPEAKER_01: They've been in them for not more.
1:24:39
SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, I think because they give birth to them.
1:24:42
SPEAKER_02: Whoa.
1:24:42
SPEAKER_02: They created this.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_01: They create that shit by themselves?
1:24:45
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
1:24:46
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so without my sperm, what's happening?
1:24:48
SPEAKER_01: There's no baby.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_00: Without your sperm, it's all your sperm is just a little bit of nutrients.
1:24:54
SPEAKER_00: No, that's not true.
1:24:55
SPEAKER_00: No, it's DNA.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_05: You know the egg is actually the one with the nutrients and the DNA.
1:25:02
SPEAKER_00: So our eggs actually provide more from a start.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
1:25:06
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, you need a signal to be able to do that.
1:25:08
SPEAKER_05: But you saying that it's going.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to know.
1:25:12
SPEAKER_01: She ain't got no eggs.
1:25:13
SPEAKER_01: She still can't get pregnant with my nuts.
1:25:14
SPEAKER_01: So it takes two.
1:25:15
SPEAKER_05: In the gestational period, she's the one carrying the baby.
1:25:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:25:21
SPEAKER_05: The men can't carry the baby.
1:25:22
SPEAKER_02: Let's just say.
1:25:23
SPEAKER_02: Let's just say for argument's sake, right?
1:25:26
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
1:25:27
SPEAKER_05: I agree with you that it should be whoever's the best parent.
1:25:31
SPEAKER_05: Whoever can prove that they're best for the children should get custody.
1:25:36
SPEAKER_05: That's a job.
1:25:36
SPEAKER_05: Well, that's when you go to those.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_05: That's when you go exactly.
1:25:39
SPEAKER_01: I can have a job.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_01: I can find a job.
1:25:44
SPEAKER_07: You interview the children too.
1:25:46
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:25:46
SPEAKER_07: To see how they treat them.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_07: But what I well I think women win so custody mostly is because of statistically, you know, women are there for their children more than men.
1:25:56
SPEAKER_07: That's the reason.
1:25:57
SPEAKER_07: There's a lot of deadbeat fathers.
1:25:58
SPEAKER_07: There's very little deadbeat mothers.
1:26:00
SPEAKER_07: What's the fact?
1:26:01
SPEAKER_07: But not that there isn't, you know, deadbeat mothers.
1:26:03
SPEAKER_07: But I just mean statistically, and the ratio of women that actually take care of their children are more.
1:26:09
SPEAKER_05: That's why they're more likely to be the sole, like But I think it's But I think what Chubb's point is that he's saying that they have the benefit of the doubt.
1:26:18
SPEAKER_05: And it's usually given to the mother over the father.
1:26:21
SPEAKER_05: Even if let's say that they're both equally it might be unfair sometimes.
1:26:27
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's just like a DV case.
1:26:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:26:29
SPEAKER_05: So it's like the mother has to be like rule crazy for the father to actually get custody.
1:26:33
SPEAKER_05: But like even in general, if they're both really good parents, it's the mother that usually gets sole custody and the dad that gets like vegetation rights.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_01: This is why I say like it's not right.
1:26:42
SPEAKER_01: It's just like a DV case.
1:26:44
SPEAKER_01: You could be beating the shit out of me, and I flare my hands to stop you, and you slip on something and get a bruise.
1:26:49
SPEAKER_01: You call the cops, I'm getting locked up.
1:26:50
SPEAKER_01: But I never hit you.
1:26:51
SPEAKER_05: That's true.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_05: That can happen.
1:26:53
SPEAKER_02: So why does the law systematically oppress women?
1:26:56
SPEAKER_02: Because they're women.
1:26:57
SPEAKER_02: If women are oppressed.
1:26:59
SPEAKER_08: What?
1:26:59
SPEAKER_08: I didn't get that crazy.
1:27:01
SPEAKER_02: Women are oppressed in our society.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_02: We are oppressed 100%.
1:27:04
SPEAKER_02: If you're oppressed, can an oppressed person be protected by the law?
1:27:09
SPEAKER_02: Because most oppression comes from the world.
1:27:11
SPEAKER_05: Yes, because it's a stereotype.
1:27:13
SPEAKER_05: Because it's a stereotype.
1:27:14
SPEAKER_05: The law does protect certain people.
1:27:16
SPEAKER_05: One of the issues that women are oppressed.
1:27:19
SPEAKER_00: We heard nothing both of you said.
1:27:22
SPEAKER_05: One of the issues is that women, you know, are wives and they're caregivers.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_05: So you get saying that's a stereotype that they're perpetuating in that sense.
1:27:30
SPEAKER_05: So it's not like they're changing the narrative because that's what a lot of people think women are only good for.
1:27:35
SPEAKER_02: So this stereotypes, this stereotype helps women.
1:27:38
SPEAKER_05: So get custody, yes.
1:27:40
SPEAKER_02: So even if they're not fit parents.
1:27:42
SPEAKER_02: But isn't feminism about equality?
1:27:44
SPEAKER_02: So feminism.
1:27:45
SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is.
1:27:46
SPEAKER_05: That's why I'm saying it's not right.
1:27:48
SPEAKER_05: People should get custody.
1:27:49
SPEAKER_05: If they're if they're equally good parents, they should get joint custody.
1:27:55
SPEAKER_05: I don't think if the father shows that he's a good parent, can provide.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_05: Don't think the mom should get primary custody just because she's the mom.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_02: So, how come we don't ever hear feminists fighting to allow you know both parties to have a fair custody battle?
1:28:13
SPEAKER_02: I never one time have ever heard a feminist say, you know what's unfair?
1:28:17
SPEAKER_02: Because women are stereotypical, uh stereotypically uh labeled as mothers, they get custody.
1:28:22
SPEAKER_02: That needs to be even.
1:28:24
SPEAKER_00: Is it because they benefit from it?
1:28:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't think that point's ever addressed.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've never heard of that scenario either.
1:28:31
SPEAKER_00: They're talking about other things equal wages.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_05: Because again, that's that lies in the judges.
1:28:36
SPEAKER_05: That lies with the judges.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_05: We're just trying to change laws that affect other people.
1:28:42
SPEAKER_02: Is that a big issue?
1:28:43
SPEAKER_05: It is a big issue, but there are other bigger issues than that.
1:28:46
SPEAKER_05: I'm sorry.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_05: But again, that power.
1:28:49
SPEAKER_02: There's a bigger issue than child rearing.
1:28:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
1:28:52
SPEAKER_05: Again, I think just how are we gonna go about changing the judge?
1:28:58
SPEAKER_05: Because again, you guys wouldn't think that age.
1:29:01
SPEAKER_05: We don't make that final decision unless like we're going to the courts and petitioning the judges.
1:29:05
SPEAKER_02: You guys go to the courts and petition the judges when it comes to abortion.
1:29:08
SPEAKER_02: You guys go to the you guys do slut walks.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_02: Why is it not a walk for who's you guys?
1:29:12
SPEAKER_05: I don't think to no damn slut walks.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_05: But the issue is are there data that are doing this?
1:29:18
SPEAKER_05: Do you know what I'm saying?
1:29:18
SPEAKER_05: Because if they're the ones being depressed, shouldn't they be the organizers?
1:29:21
SPEAKER_02: Nah, but we don't ever get a say in this.
1:29:23
SPEAKER_05: No, but that's the you're not organizing.
1:29:26
SPEAKER_05: That's the whole issue.
1:29:27
SPEAKER_05: If there's people, if that they organize and fight for your rights as men, then it's not because you're saying you're getting custody for your kids.
1:29:35
SPEAKER_00: You may not argue it, but the majority of women will say you guys have so many privileges, you can't be at the end of the day.
1:29:42
SPEAKER_05: No, you don't know because you haven't organized the movement.
1:29:45
SPEAKER_05: Don't beside me.
1:29:47
SPEAKER_05: Don't assume.
1:29:48
SPEAKER_00: Listen, aside from you, any argument that I would have with a woman who doesn't know me will tell me the same thing.
1:29:55
SPEAKER_00: You guys blessed with so many privileges, it's not the point.
1:29:58
SPEAKER_00: That's a funny woman voice.
1:30:00
SPEAKER_05: Do I say that?
1:30:02
SPEAKER_05: I don't know whose voice that is, but again, anecdotal evidence.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh again, you don't listen to what I say.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_00: Just an anecdotal and an adjective.
1:30:09
SPEAKER_05: Because again, I would be a woman that would support that movement because I don't think people who are piece of shit parents should have custody of their kids solely on their sex.
1:30:18
SPEAKER_02: But do you think most women within the feminist denomination would argue alongside a male?
1:30:27
SPEAKER_05: Yes, if they're if they're proven a better caregiver.
1:30:31
SPEAKER_05: People know that not all women are.
1:30:33
SPEAKER_05: I don't think you let him finish.
1:30:34
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
1:30:35
SPEAKER_05: Not all women are saints.
1:30:37
SPEAKER_00: You think most women would agree that it can be equal?
1:30:40
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:30:41
SPEAKER_07: Feminists, that's the whole point of feminism.
1:30:43
SPEAKER_07: We're trying to have as we're even trying to have present fathers in general.
1:30:48
SPEAKER_07: So why wouldn't we fight?
1:30:49
SPEAKER_07: Why would we really think that?
1:30:50
SPEAKER_07: You really think feminists would be like, oh, just because she's a mother, even though she's unfit, we're gonna give her the custody.
1:30:56
SPEAKER_07: That's not what they're that's not what they're about.
1:30:59
SPEAKER_05: And especially we're for having present fathers.
1:31:02
SPEAKER_05: There's so many people that don't have fathers.
1:31:03
SPEAKER_05: So of course we would fight for those who are present and good.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_02: We're not talking about joint custody.
1:31:10
SPEAKER_05: Well, if they're that's the thing.
1:31:11
SPEAKER_05: That's my whole point, though.
1:31:12
SPEAKER_05: If they're both fit parents, it shouldn't be soul custody.
1:31:16
SPEAKER_05: It should be joint custody.
1:31:17
SPEAKER_05: If one is unfit, then it should be soul.
1:31:20
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
1:31:20
SPEAKER_05: And then the other person has visitation.
1:31:22
SPEAKER_05: Because that was my whole point.
1:31:23
SPEAKER_05: There shouldn't be a swaying into this soul custody if they're both equally good parents.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_02: I really honestly wholeheartedly disagree, but I guess.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_04: Because why should there be?
1:31:34
SPEAKER_04: You call yourself a feminist.
1:31:37
SPEAKER_07: You're a full feminine.
1:31:42
SPEAKER_07: But she knows you pretty well.
1:31:44
SPEAKER_07: She's not right.
1:31:44
SPEAKER_05: You would disagree with anything feminist that you ever bring up.
1:31:48
SPEAKER_05: But you get what I'm saying?
1:31:49
SPEAKER_05: There is a movement to especially uplift and promote fathers, especially on social media, just promote fathers who are there.
1:31:56
SPEAKER_05: We just want to be.
1:32:06
SPEAKER_05: But like I said, it should be joint custody if they're both equally fit.
1:32:09
SPEAKER_05: It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be favoring one parent of the or the other.
1:32:13
SPEAKER_05: If that's what they both want, they should have joint custody.
1:32:16
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:32:17
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:32:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think there's uh one last topic that uh we should cover before we wrap.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_02: And it's uh it's actually a topic we touched on earlier when it came to the shootings, but I just want to talk about it in whole about uh mental illness.
1:32:32
SPEAKER_02: So recently mental you know, mental illness has become the forefront.
1:32:37
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's becoming a forefront conversation.
1:32:39
SPEAKER_07: And it's a very good conversation to have.
1:32:41
SPEAKER_02: I I agree with you.
1:32:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, I personally don't think I have any mental illness.
1:32:46
SPEAKER_07: And you are blessed to not have one.
1:32:47
SPEAKER_02: I think.
1:32:48
SPEAKER_02: See, because like it's really because you haven't been diagnosed.
1:32:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like it's not a good thing.
1:32:52
SPEAKER_05: Maybe with Larry, have you experienced symptoms?
1:32:54
SPEAKER_05: That's the thing.
1:32:56
SPEAKER_05: No, but they consider it like some sort of mental condition.
1:32:59
SPEAKER_05: Like, there are there are personality disorders.
1:33:02
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
1:33:03
SPEAKER_02: So we have Charlemagne the God, who's about to do a televised event about um mental illness with a doctor.
1:33:12
SPEAKER_02: And do you guys think this is a positive, negative, are you neutral about it?
1:33:16
SPEAKER_02: How do you feel about that?
1:33:18
SPEAKER_07: I think it's always good to have um a conversation about mental illness because there's such a stigma about it, and people don't really understand the gravity and how debilitating these mental illnesses are, and you know, you know, people need to be on disabilities because of mental illnesses sometimes because they cannot function like a regular human being.
1:33:37
SPEAKER_07: So I think it's a very good thing, you know, because he has a lot of followers, so it'll bring more people to talk about the conversation and hopefully it'll bring more money for research, you know.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_07: But I definitely think it's a good thing.
1:33:51
SPEAKER_02: How is mental illness diagnosed clinically?
1:33:54
SPEAKER_05: So clinically, you have to go through the something called the DC the um DSM5.
1:34:01
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, DSM.
1:34:02
SPEAKER_05: Right now it's a DSM five, but basically, there are certain things that you have to hit to get a diagnosis, characteristics, characteristics, some symptoms, exactly, certain behaviors to get a diagnosis.
1:34:12
SPEAKER_02: So, what is stopping me from researching this book or a method and saying I want to be diagnosed as bipolar or schizophrenic, and just to reap the benefits, and I just research a profile, I go into a doctor's office, I hit all these uh notes, I get the meds, I get the treatment, and I get the paid vacation or whatever the case may be.
1:34:34
SPEAKER_02: What is stopping a person from doing that?
1:34:35
SPEAKER_05: Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
1:34:37
SPEAKER_05: Nothing stopping a person actually from the street.
1:34:38
SPEAKER_00: That's the problem with uh that's a that's a problem with uh accrediting a lot of people.
1:34:43
SPEAKER_00: To diagnose, though.
1:34:44
SPEAKER_00: Like Charlemagne, that's where some people I hear say, like, yeah, I don't believe that he has any problems.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_00: This is just for promotion, this and that.
1:34:51
SPEAKER_00: And that's also um, I know we always bring up the transgender and the gay topic, but that's another thing that we uh we improperly do.
1:34:59
SPEAKER_00: We take one person who may be faking or not be genuine about who they are just to be in a comfort zone or just to be in a conversation, and we take them and base them on the rest of the rest of the population that they're when they're not representing the whole and the thing is there is not it's not common.
1:35:16
SPEAKER_05: There are bad things to being diagnosed with a mental illness too.
1:35:19
SPEAKER_07: There's job discrimination, and even if you can get like social security benefits that give you money, it's not that much money.
1:35:26
SPEAKER_07: It's not money that you can live off.
1:35:27
SPEAKER_07: It's like the bare minimum, uh like you would have to live with somebody.
1:35:31
SPEAKER_07: And there's a lot of mentally ill people that are homeless, about 25% of homeless people are mentally ill.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_05: Wow, yeah.
1:35:38
SPEAKER_00: So it's a lot of there's a lot of doctors and bankers on these streets who are now homeless because of uh um mental illness and things that they couldn't treat or didn't know better to treat.
1:35:50
SPEAKER_08: And the meds, the thing is the meds aren't even comforting too.
1:35:53
SPEAKER_07: Like the meds, the side effects that they give you are just as debilitating as the disease that you have itself.
1:35:59
SPEAKER_05: Because one of the one of the issues with treating mental illness is because a lot of these disorders, like there are genetic components, there are environmental components that interact with your genetics for the etiology of the disorder, but because it's not a specific thing, these meds you just test them out in the you know, different clinical trials, you test them out, and then you see what helps, but it doesn't help everybody, and again, it has side effects because you're not uh you're not targeting a specific area of your brain.
1:36:29
SPEAKER_05: One, because we don't know where the problem lies specifically.
1:36:33
SPEAKER_05: So yeah, so basically with a lot of uh mental illnesses, it's like neurotransmitters, like your your brain's chemistry is off, it doesn't function like a normal person.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_07: So that's basically what it is.
1:36:43
SPEAKER_07: It's like an imbalance of chemicals in in your brain.
1:36:46
SPEAKER_07: That's what's that.
1:36:47
SPEAKER_05: Which is simplistic, it's not the only thing, it's not the only thing, but that's just a simplification of what it is.
1:36:53
SPEAKER_07: Your brain isn't functioning, your neurotransmitters aren't functioning like a normal person.
1:36:57
SPEAKER_07: So for you to get up and even take a shower, brush your teeth, can be like you climbing a mountain.
1:37:03
SPEAKER_07: Like that's that's how hard it is.
1:37:05
SPEAKER_02: This is the tricky part for me.
1:37:06
SPEAKER_02: So I want to have a lot of kids, right?
1:37:08
SPEAKER_02: And I don't want it to be a situation where this becomes so mainstream that pharmaceutical companies are like, listen, we can make a shit ton of money off these insurance companies if we can get every single kid in America on one of our drugs.
1:37:22
SPEAKER_02: And in turn, they're gonna have children being misdiagnosed just for the sake of the world.
1:37:28
SPEAKER_02: And that does happen.
1:37:29
SPEAKER_02: So, how do I protect my kids from being misdiagnosed?
1:37:34
SPEAKER_02: Because I can't just run them through a test at home and be like, oh no, my kid definitely has something wrong with him.
1:37:39
SPEAKER_05: So the issue is with the kids, do you do a lot of peer interviews, parent interviews?
1:37:44
SPEAKER_05: So it's more than one person that gets interviewed in in terms of that diagnosis.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_05: So the parents do contribute to the diagnosis.
1:37:50
SPEAKER_00: So does that have all that's not that's not all kids, right?
1:37:54
SPEAKER_05: It doesn't happen, it doesn't happen to all kids because you're not gonna get diagnosed if your parent doesn't if the parent doesn't take them to the doctor.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_05: Well what else is the same thing.
1:38:01
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, if you don't think anything's wrong, you don't have to take the doctor anyway.
1:38:06
SPEAKER_00: Not all.
1:38:07
SPEAKER_05: Nothing happens without the parents' consent, it's their child.
1:38:12
SPEAKER_00: Aside from just the the children, too, the like you said, there's people who can just check out the criteria of what what classifies me to be uh whatever and lie about it.
1:38:24
SPEAKER_00: They don't go and background chess every every people's family and friends.
1:38:29
SPEAKER_05: For what?
1:38:29
SPEAKER_05: You can you can still point it on.
1:38:33
SPEAKER_05: Listen guys, with this with the the uh the with the DSM, you have specific things that you have to hit to get the diagnosis.
1:38:39
SPEAKER_05: It's not like it changes for this situation and they do cats because they're MRIs.
1:38:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because there are there are people who have sub-diagnosis who don't who have symptoms but don't reach the threshold for a clinical diagnosis.
1:38:51
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so they it doesn't vary per situation.
1:38:54
SPEAKER_05: You have to hit a lot of symptoms to get that diagnosis.
1:38:59
SPEAKER_05: Like you have just one or two, and that's not enough to get the diagnosis.
1:39:01
SPEAKER_07: Like you cannot fake that you're manic.
1:39:04
SPEAKER_07: Like they do tests and they'll do drug tests, they'll do MRIs, they'll do CAT scans, and you can't fake that you're manic.
1:39:09
SPEAKER_07: And there's being manic is is your body acting as if like you're on drugs when you're pain with nothing.
1:39:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_05: You don't you you cannot put your kid on a drug if you don't want the kid to be on a drug.
1:39:20
SPEAKER_05: There's cognitive behavioral therapy that is used to treat certain disorders.
1:39:26
SPEAKER_05: So you don't always have to put your kids on drugs.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_05: You can have rid lists, you can have them with you can have them, you know, have therapy.
1:39:33
SPEAKER_02: So on a scale of one to ten, how concerned should I be that pharmaceutical companies aren't just gonna be like, this is a cash cow, let's push this as much as possible so we can have as much people as possible on these drugs?
1:39:44
SPEAKER_05: Like I said, it's up to the parents, exactly.
1:39:48
SPEAKER_00: And because there are parents like the who I'm not with I'm not with vaccination in um just regular bug, yeah.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_00: No, anyway.
1:39:55
SPEAKER_00: Hear me out.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_00: It depends where you're getting at just any fucking hospital.
1:40:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:40:02
SPEAKER_00: I need to know uh I need I need to know where my doctors are getting mixed up from.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_05: Especially if it's like a report, especially if it's like a higher income.
1:40:10
SPEAKER_05: I'm not one of those.
1:40:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:40:11
SPEAKER_00: Now I understand the science of vaccinations.
1:40:13
SPEAKER_00: It it makes sense, but just knowing what is going into your body is the the important part.
1:40:19
SPEAKER_00: Knowing as best as possible.
1:40:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_05: And just like choose the best place to get it.
1:40:25
SPEAKER_07: All right.
1:40:26
SPEAKER_07: Go where the white people have multiple opinions.
1:40:29
SPEAKER_07: But yeah, I don't think people are out here really faking it as much as people that actually have it.
1:40:34
SPEAKER_07: That would be a very terrible thing to do.
1:40:36
SPEAKER_00: And this is America.
1:40:37
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:40:37
SPEAKER_07: No, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't think it's as much of a thing.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, like where a good percentage of them are faking because it's a lot of tests that you have to do, a lot of follow-ups that you have to do.
1:40:48
SPEAKER_07: There's a lot of consistent behavior that you have to keep up with for them to keep treating you for a certain mental illness.
1:40:54
SPEAKER_05: And it's like it's the same situation that they do with voter fraud.
1:40:57
SPEAKER_05: Because like they're like, oh, all these fraud, but like when you ask them, I remember I saw this interview the other day, they're like, okay, you're pushing all these laws for voter fraud that affect 53,000 people.
1:41:06
SPEAKER_05: But how many people have you actually encountered that have done anything fraudulent?
1:41:10
SPEAKER_05: And they're like, a couple.
1:41:12
SPEAKER_05: So it's like you want to impact 53,000 people when you don't really have the evidence of people actually in a big amount committing voter fraud.
1:41:20
SPEAKER_05: It's like, no, you know, you're just trying to suppress the votes.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:41:24
SPEAKER_05: Not trying to prevent no illegal shit from happening.
1:41:27
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
1:41:27
SPEAKER_02: So um, I guess we're all, you know, pro-mental illness being on the forefront.
1:41:33
SPEAKER_05: No, especially in the black community.
1:41:34
SPEAKER_05: Because speaking as a as a black man, like how do you feel the black community differs and how they bel how they how they I guess receive mental illness?
1:41:43
SPEAKER_05: Like, do they think it's a real thing?
1:41:45
SPEAKER_02: Well compared to the rest of We never tackle uh mental illness within the black community.
1:41:53
SPEAKER_02: We kind of like veer away from it.
1:41:55
SPEAKER_02: There's some religious aspects, like uh a lot of people think that it's just demons and stuff like that.
1:42:00
SPEAKER_02: Which um I can't say I 110% disagree because I can't prove that it's not, but there's just a whole like within our community, there's a stigma against going to a doctor for anything outside of bodily harm.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_07: I mean, I do agree with the demon things because they're it's like demons in your head.
1:42:21
SPEAKER_07: It's like these horrific things that you experience that are so insidious that you're like, what the fuck is going on?
1:42:27
SPEAKER_07: Like, why is this even happening?
1:42:29
SPEAKER_02: So with them, it's like the solution isn't going to doctors.
1:42:33
SPEAKER_02: Pray, like pray the pray the way, or you know, get closer to God.
1:42:37
SPEAKER_07: There's the to be honest, the arguments behind it because I've done a little bit more of that since since I was actually diagnosed.
1:42:46
SPEAKER_07: I've been a little bit more powerful, I've been a little bit more spiritual than I was.
1:42:50
SPEAKER_07: It doesn't hurt.
1:42:51
SPEAKER_00: Your mind is a lot more than we give it credit for.
1:42:53
SPEAKER_00: It's not like I wasn't aging.
1:42:55
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of things that we can help.
1:42:58
unknown: Yeah.
1:42:58
unknown: Yeah.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_05: But again, you should another another way to tackle, you know, back to the mass shooters thing is that they were saying like everybody who experiences these symptoms should seek treatment.
1:43:08
SPEAKER_05: And that's another thing, reinforcing and putting resources into mental health facilities.
1:43:13
SPEAKER_05: So more people can access it.
1:43:15
SPEAKER_07: If I do one thing, if I do one thing in life, it's definitely I want to do research to help better manage a a lot of the treatments that they have for these diseases, because it they're not perfect.
1:43:26
SPEAKER_07: Because that's what sucks about it.
1:43:27
SPEAKER_07: And a lot of the doctors are very indifferent.
1:43:30
SPEAKER_07: Like you can be telling them you're having the worst time of your life and you want to die, and they're like, Alright, let's just prescribe you this, or did higher your dose.
1:43:36
SPEAKER_07: Alright, see you later.
1:43:37
SPEAKER_02: Like, they really do not care.
1:43:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I I guess it's because it's not something you can physically see.
1:43:42
SPEAKER_05: Like, that's the tricky part, right?
1:43:44
SPEAKER_05: Because it's in the brain, and you know how complex your brain is.
1:43:48
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
1:43:49
SPEAKER_05: So it's like that's the that's the sucky part.
1:43:51
SPEAKER_05: So, like, all we have to all we can do is just try to do more research and see what works the best.
1:43:57
SPEAKER_05: But again, we're just trying making a cocktail to see what works best.
1:44:02
SPEAKER_02: The trial and error.
1:44:03
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:44:04
SPEAKER_05: Well, it's a lot of trial and error.
1:44:05
SPEAKER_02: That's been um a very spirited conversation on uh you know mental illness.
1:44:09
SPEAKER_02: And I really hope anybody out there that uh thinks they can possibly be dealing with these things, go get uh the clinical help that they need, not just the biblical stuff.
1:44:18
SPEAKER_02: Not saying you should shy away from that.
1:44:19
SPEAKER_02: No, of course.
1:44:20
SPEAKER_07: Both therapy as well, yes.
1:44:21
SPEAKER_02: Therapy, whatever it takes, you know, and don't be ashamed to say.
1:44:24
SPEAKER_07: Do anything and everything.
1:44:25
SPEAKER_00: Reach out to your friends and family, man.
1:44:27
SPEAKER_05: Definitely, you need a mental system.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_00: We all think that we don't have people in our corner when we absolutely do.
1:44:33
SPEAKER_05: And mental illness is not a weakness within yourself.
1:44:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay, um, I think that has been another uh great installment of gas money.
1:44:40
SPEAKER_02: We don't have anybody here currently to take us out because our cast has uh vanished in thin air.
1:44:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, downfalls of the Saturday nights.
1:44:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is not my expertise.
1:44:50
SPEAKER_02: And like I said again, guys, this is a Saturday night, so if anything sounds a little wonky, it's just because you know, it's a time shift for us.
1:44:56
SPEAKER_02: But uh I appreciate all the listeners out there, and you guys have a great rest of your week.
1:45:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, week, because you're gonna hear this on Monday, hopefully, if TC gets his fucking job done.
1:45:05
SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's gonna get it.
1:45:06
SPEAKER_00: He's gonna get it.
1:45:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, sir.
1:45:08
SPEAKER_05: Get it done.
1:45:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what's how to sign off.
1:45:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I can say.
1:45:12
SPEAKER_05: So this has been another episode of Gas Money.
1:45:15
SPEAKER_05: Can I get a perfect?
1:45:17
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
1:45:18
SPEAKER_02: There we go.