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Battle of France | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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  And I cut off the music a little early this morning.
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  Good morning. It's Monday, October 19th, 2026.
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  Thank you for joining the program with Ted Rall
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  and Jamarl Thomas. Hope you all had a fantastic
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  weekend. Good morning, Jamarl. Good to see you.
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  Good morning. And let's talk about what we're
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  going to be talking about. Obviously, the lead
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  story today is France and the harsh, very stark
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  contrast between the No Kings protests
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  here in the United States and what's
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  going on in France. We'll get into that, I'm sure,
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  in some considerable detail. Lots going
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  on in the Middle East. Israel is finally forced
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  to confront the reality of its West Bank settler
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  terrorists who are on such a wilding spree that
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  they're going after diplomats and Western reporters
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  who are normally a protected class. We'll get into
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  that. Trump informally endorses Benjamin Netanyahu.
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  So is that election interference? Russian Foreign
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  Minister Sergey Lavrov is in Tehran today. The
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  Gulf states are begging him to beg the Iranians
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  to stop beating the shit out of them. Doubt that
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  that's going to get very far. Vladimir Putin
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  has suggested that there be a summit about the
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  Russia-Ukraine conflict with Trump and President
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  Good morning, Jamarl. What should we do first?
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  Good morning. Viva la France. Indeed. Viva la
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  France. I watched that protest over the weekend.
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  And there's one clip in particular that I said,
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  this is the most French thing I've ever seen
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  in my life. And it is effing fantastic. I'm going
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  to put it into the bottom just in case Robby
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  can put this clip into it. I saw that and I was
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  like, that's fantastic. That's super French.
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  And that is awesome. And there were other protests,
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  obviously, in France. But the protests weren't
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  just in France, right? Italy? No. Fighting with
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  cops. Albania. Albania was going bananas.
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  They were like at the palace or whatever. But
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  the French protests were so, the number of people
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  that were in the back of their protests on some
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  of those videos was just astonishing. And I thought
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  to myself, this is a rational act. Now, I know
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  some people will look at that and say, well,
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  they're burning stuff down. This is horrendous.
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  And my thing will be, do you think that
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  those people on a random Tuesday wanted to be
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  out there doing that? And they're doing that
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  because there's something driving them to do
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  that. And I want to put right beside
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  this meeting as these protests were taking place.
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  You had Zelensky begging the Europeans for money
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  and complaining on U.S. media that Trump has
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  cut off intelligence. Right. And the Europeans
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  are on a hook for hundreds of billions of
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  dollars. And they're talking about, we'll just
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  borrow the money. Where are you borrowing hundreds
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  of billions of dollars from when your governments
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  are already underwater? France has one of the
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  worst economies in Europe. Meaning the interest
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  rate for France is higher than even the interest
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  rate for Italy. These countries are not necessarily
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  the most sovereign in the world. They're spending
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  hundreds of billions of dollars on a project
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  that has nothing to do with them ultimately,
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  meaning the people of those countries, even up
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  to the point of trying to ultimately feed them
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  to the Russians in 2030. Why isn't this a rational
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  act? Right? The elites have gotten to a
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  point where they just don't necessarily care
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  what the public needs, or for that matter, wants.
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  And the public is no, meaning, I guess from my
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  point of view, they had the Yellow Vest Movement.
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  Yellow Vest was a peaceful movement. It went
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  on for years. 70 to 80% of the public agreed
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  with it. The Yellow Vest movement ultimately
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  ends. Does the state change to accommodate the
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  fact that you had all of these people protesting
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  your rulership? And the answer is no. At a certain
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  point people are going to rebel, and France does
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  it very well. They do. They do.
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  Look, the thing is, it's so interesting. I watched
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  Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron, who basically
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  sounded like opposite sides of the same coin,
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  complaining about les casseurs, which is basically
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  rioters. And look, there's no question that there
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  are always, when there's a political uprising
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  like Black Lives Matter, there are always going
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  to be some opportunists who, I always wonder,
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  by the way, where are these people the rest of
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  the year? Right, the people like, hey guys,
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  we gotta loot SoHo. They must not have anything
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  to do most of the time. Right, 99% of the time
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  there's no riots. So but France definitely
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  has mobsters. It has gangsters. It has street
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  thugs. It has bad people. French Americans may
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  not think of France as that kind of country,
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  but it does. And so there was looting of stores.
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  And some of that might have been by poor youth.
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  But I think probably most of it is criminality,
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  right? But I remember, but I think of this,
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  you walk around these beautiful streets,
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  where these luxury shops like Hermès are. And
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  those shops aren't for me. They're not for you,
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  Jamarl. They're not for most of us. They're not
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  for most French people. They're for the 1% of
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  the 1%. They're for the super elites. And you're
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  expected as a French citizen to be told every single
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  day that you're in a country that elevates liberty,
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  equality, and fraternity on its coinage and
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  everywhere else on the front of public buildings,
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  and you're told basically you're an
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  equal, but these places, most of the country, most
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  of these cities, the rents are unaffordable.
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  They're not for you. There's no job for you, and
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  even in a country like France that has far more
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  social protections than the United States, it
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  still kind of sucks. So it doesn't surprise me
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  at all when people decide, oh, I might not
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  personally burn this place, the Hermès store
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  down and steal one of their $2,000 scarves for
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  my mom. But I'm not going to give a shit if someone
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  else does. I'm going to lose no sleep over this
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  at all. It's like if I walk by someone breaking
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  into a Lamborghini in New York, I'm going to
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  be far less likely to interfere than if they're
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  breaking into a 1970s Dodge Dart. Okay,
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  far less. So these people,
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  it's kind of like the question always comes
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  down to what is, in this case, what is France? Right?
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  At the beginning of World War II, right, as
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  the Germans were sweeping in and were about to
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  occupy the entire country, Charles de Gaulle,
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  the future leader of the Free France, Free French,
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  who was just a one-star general at the time,
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  met with Philippe Pétain, who was at that
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  time about to become the head of the government
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  of occupied France. And basically the old man
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  and his protégé, right? The man in his 80s versus
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  his young protégé. And his young protégé, de
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  Gaulle, said, we have to fight to the
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  death. We can set up shop in Brittany. We shouldn't
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  withdraw. We have to just fight until we all
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  die. And Pétain's like, you're crazy. It's like
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  the Germans will do to Paris what they did to
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  Warsaw, which they had just done months earlier.
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  They had leveled it. And it looked like Gaza
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  does today. And it's like, we can't
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  have that happen to Paris. And de Gaulle said
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  famously, but this is France is not
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  a pile of bricks. France is an idea. Better that
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  Paris should be leveled than the idea of France
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  be destroyed. Who cares about these beautiful
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  buildings? Fuck them. And that's the same question
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  now. What is France? Is France a country with
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  a bunch of expansive, beautiful boulevards
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  and monuments and places that only wealthy people
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  can live and shop? Or is it a place for everyone
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  to live with decency and dignity? And that's
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  what an explosion like this is about.
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  I just thought to me the contrast between the
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  flaccid No Kings rallies over the weekend, whose
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  self-declared goal was to get people to go vote
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  early for the Democratic Party, right? So the
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  mask is off, right, if there ever was a mask.
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  And that go vote for the Democrats, go team.
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  And even the Democratic Party nominees couldn't
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  be bothered to attend these rallies anymore,
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  because even they know it's a waste of their
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  time. This morning, sorry, Jamarl, I'm on a rant
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  about this. I could go on forever. But on Facebook,
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  one of my Facebook friends today showed a picture
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  of herself in Brooklyn carrying some signs to
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  a No Kings rally. And she said in her post, how
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  much longer must we keep doing this? The signs
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  keep getting reused. And I was like, France is
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  showing you how it's done. OK, this is the
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  way forward. The French government, whether you
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  like their tactics or not of the protesters,
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  they are going to have to address these issues
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  in some way. They're going to have to. And
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  there you are. You're wimping. You're
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  whinging about having to show up once every four
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  to six months on a beautiful weekend day when
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  you don't even have to take time off from work
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  in a demonstration where you're not
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  going to have riot goons from the government
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  spraying you and throwing at you and
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  arresting you and beating the shit out of you. Nothing's
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  going to happen to you, and that's
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  too much for you. You can't handle that, and the
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  answer to your question is if you ever actually
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  start protesting, because you haven't. But if you
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  ever start really protesting, the answer is you
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  do that every single fucking day the rest of
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  your life, because the fight for democracy versus
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  oppression and liberation and emancipation versus
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  oppression never, ever ends. I have a question
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  for you, Ted, because you're talking about no
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  France and no de Gaulle. France is an idea. Well,
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  can that idea survive if you're in a system like
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  the EU that allows open borders and if you have
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  imported God knows how many people from around
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  the world? Can that idea survive that? Well,
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  I think it's a valid question.
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  I don't think it is the France of de Gaulle.
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  France's major pro-immigration has been a stressor
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  on French culture and the economy, but it's not
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  the only thing that's going on here by far.
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  This is about capitalism first
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  and foremost. Well, no, I get that, but here's
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  the point I'm trying to make, though. No, and how
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  much of this is accurate, I don't know, because
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  I'm not in France. I'm in Kalispell. So I was
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  like, JT, I was watching these riots over the weekend,
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  and I'm seeing a lot of people who quite obviously
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  are not native-born Frenchmen looting stores.
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  So my question is, are those people out there
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  rioting because they want to make France better?
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  Or are they opportunists who should be rounded
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  up by the French military and then sent back
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  to the shithole from which they spawned? Well,
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  there's a lot there, Robby. And the fact is,
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  some of these people are opportunists. And I
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  think some of them are. I don't know
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  what you call legitimate protesters, but they're
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  politicals. Some people are there to break and
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  steal, but most people are there because they're
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  really pissed off, and their needs and their desires
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  have been ignored for years and decades by both,
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  by all the major political classes, and therefore
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  this is what happens. Right?
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  If you're the French government, if you're in
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  a French elite, you have a choice, and you had
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  a choice all along. Every morning you could have
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  woken up and said, we don't do something
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  for the poor and the working class. Things could
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  get spicy. Instead, he decided, fuck it.
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  Let's just rape and pillage more.
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  Every day you made that decision to do that.
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  And so, okay. And so every now and
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  then something like this is going to happen.
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  It's inevitable. And in terms of the board, and
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  just for the record, I voted against the EU.
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  I don't think France should. I don't believe
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  in the EU. I think under a nation-state system,
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  the EU doesn't make sense. But I will
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  say the idea behind it was that
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  they were trying to take on the United States
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  as they were kind of like it was like proto-BRICS.
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  They were trying to be a counterweight to American
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  hegemony. It turned out that they just ended
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  up being now the U.S. instead of having to call
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  20, 27 different capitals and tell them
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  to bark like a dog. They only have to call Brussels.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Look, I guess you can make an analogy
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  of water carrying refuse downstream.
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  They know that in any notion of a protest that's
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  going to take place, this is inevitable. I
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  don't have to think about any particular individual.
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  It's inevitable that this is going to take place,
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  whether it was an Arab or a Muslim or whatever
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  that was in a quote country, whatever that country
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  is. I imagine, by the way, many of those countries
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  were rendered by French colonialism, right? Well,
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  that's what was going to kind of make the point.
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  France decided to colonize all of these countries.
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  How can they about the people who've coming back
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  into their countries as a result of their own
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  policies going back for all of these years? That's
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  not France. Meaning, if you didn't want these
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  groups in your country, don't invade the countries.
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  It's even worse than the United States with
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  what we bitch about the Hondurans
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  after we broke the Honduran government, right?
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  Well, it's like, okay, France is even
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  worse because they outright colonized these countries.
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  They didn't even just fuck with them.
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  They went beyond that. And they were
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  still fucking with them to this day, using terrorists
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  to try to overthrow Sahel states. The point I
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  was making is I don't know how many, how much,
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  what percentage of the protesters were people
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  who obviously are not French. That's the point
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  I was making. Your average Frenchman looks like
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  me, looks like Ted. Well, I don't understand.
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  From your point of view, your bias is going to
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  immediately go to these people are obviously
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  immigrants from somewhere else that is doing
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  X, Y, Z. The reality of it is this started off
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  because of schools. Let's start there first.
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  The school protesters were not violent. They
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  weren't burning shit down. They weren't doing
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  any of that stuff. They were protesting in schools.
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  Macron sent the goons out in order to go after
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  those particular protesters. The protesters get
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  that much more vigilant. And inevitably, in any
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  protest, even if France had no immigrants, do
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  you really believe that people wouldn't be knocking
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  down buildings or burning shit down?
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  Do you honestly believe that even if... Yeah, in
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  BLM, it wasn't immigrants who set
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  things on fire and looted those stores in SoHo.
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  Yeah, it always comes about. It's just kind of
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  an inevitable part of the protests. No, I get
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  it. I guess my point is this started off as peaceful
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  protests against schools and the failing capability
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  of the state to do anything about schools. So
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  you at least have to start there. If you want
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  to say, okay, they were provocateurs
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  in the crowd or whatever. Fair enough. Same thing happens
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  on the right, too. In Charlottesville, I'm pretty
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  sure that the organizers didn't plan to have
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  psychos show up with their cars and try to run
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  people over. For sure. Listen, if I was in North
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  Carolina, I would have been in that Charlottesville
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  riot because I think it's wrong to tear down
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  historical monuments. I think it's wrong to try
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  to erase history. I'm not a Nazi.
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  I would have 100% would have been there. I guess that
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  the question that I'm asking, and this just goes
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  back to the point that you're making, Ted, is
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  the whole reason it's come from is that de Gaulle
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  was right when he said that a nation is not a
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  pile of bricks. It doesn't matter if it's France,
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  England, America, Russia. It doesn't matter.
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  A nation is an idea. What is that idea? We are
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  a group of people with a shared history, a shared
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  language, a shared heritage, and we are in this
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  together. And a shared set of values. In France,
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  the shared set of values is the most important
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  of those things. And the question that I'm asking.
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  In France, it's like if you're willing to assimilate,
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  speak French, act French, dress French, even
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  have a French name changed to, then you can become
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  French. That's kind of my point, Robby, where
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  I was pointing out a bias. That's your idea of
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  France. That's not necessarily France's idea
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  of France. You've added the racial component
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  into it. And I'm saying the French idea may be
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  more values-driven, not necessarily racially
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  identity-driven. Maybe a lesser culture comes
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  in, right? So if you go through and if you look
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  at the record of live births over the last 50
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  years, you're seeing a lot more Mohammeds being
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  born in Paris now than you were, say, in 1940.
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  How does that reflect with the idea of a nation?
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  Which what de Gaulle was trying to say is that
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  France is an idea. It fits in well with the idea
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  of the French nation going back to the very beginning.
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  So, for example, there was the Haitian slave uprising.
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  Haiti was a French colony under Toussaint. And
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  Napoleon dispatched the French military to put
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  it down. And there's a famous incident when the
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  Napoleonic army shows up and confronts and is
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  about to engage in battle against Toussaint's
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  troops, where they hear Toussaint's troops singing.
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  And they assume that they're singing indigenous
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  songs. And as they drew closer, they realized
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  that they were singing the Marseillaise, which
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  is, of course, the French national anthem, the
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  revolutionary anthem of France. This is only
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  a few years after the revolution. And the French
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  white Catholic soldiers rebelled against their
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  officers, and they said, we cannot attack these
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  people. They are more French than we are. They
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  know our values. They know that we're about liberty,
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  equality, and fraternity. We're like they are more
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  like us than we are like us. And there was a
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  mutiny there. The point is that that's
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  what France really, and that's a storied,
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  that's taught in French schools. It's like, OK,
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  obviously it was a complicated
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  thing, and the war went on, and the French
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  weren't done fucking with the
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  Haitians. But that's the ideal. That's the ideal
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  of France. It's like these people are if they
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  believe in our ideals, then they are like us.
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  I get that. I guess the question I'm trying to
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  get here is from what y'all have seen over the
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  weekend is the media and the blogosphere going
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  out and pushing the images of the migrants
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  misbehaving to try and get a knee-jerk reaction
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  out of people who are more nativist like what
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  I am to try and say, no, look at French, no, doing
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  this. Yes. I've been reading social media
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  all week for the last few weeks. And the right
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  wing talking point, even coming from quote-unquote
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  mainstream politicians like Speaker Mike Johnson,
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  right, is that we've, oh, this is what
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  happens when you open your borders.
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  They'll come in and burn things down. Be careful.
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  That could happen here. If you vote Democratic,
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  they'll open the borders and that'll happen here.
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  Okay. What that ignores is that the French
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  white Catholics are really good at burning shit
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  down and mixing it up with the cops and rioting
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  and looting without any help from dark-skinned
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  people at all. They've been doing this
• 21:32
  there throughout their entire history. So it
• 21:35
  has nothing to do really with that. So if that's
• 21:38
  correct, they're cherry-picking. And I guarantee
• 21:43
  you also there are lots of white kids looting
• 21:45
  those stores too. Oh, I'm sure there are. Listen,
• 21:48
  anytime you have social unrest, you're going
• 21:50
  to have people out there that misbehave, and
• 21:52
  that's going to happen. The question comes down,
• 21:54
  though, to motive. If you are there, and if you're
• 21:56
  protesting, by the way, I support what the French
• 22:00
  citizens are doing. I wish Americans would do
• 22:02
  that here. Me too. I'm in awe. I'm jealous of
• 22:04
  them. I'm like, you guys are awesome. Now, here's
• 22:09
  the pushback that I have, though. Someone is
• 22:13
  out there and is legitimately breaking stuff
• 22:15
  because your government actively hates you and
• 22:17
  you're fighting back is one thing. But if you
• 22:21
  are out there and you're just taking advantage
• 22:23
  of a situation to hurt some store owner someplace,
• 22:26
  you should pay a price. There's a difference
• 22:30
  between... Well, they're definitely making the
• 22:34
  protesters look bad. Obviously, the mere
• 22:36
  fact that we have to address this right here
• 22:39
  is evidence of that. Yeah, for sure. And so for
• 22:41
  the people out there, a lot of ordinary French
• 22:45
  people obviously disapprove. They sit in their
• 22:46
  living rooms in the suburbs and they look
• 22:49
  at this and they say, oh my God, this is terrible.
• 22:51
  Right. This is, of course. Yeah.
• 22:53
  The Yellow Vest effectiveness was because they
• 22:56
  didn't do shit like this. Just to be very
• 22:58
  clear. Now, it's also true that the French government
• 23:01
  did what they're repeating the mistakes of 1968,
• 23:04
  where they're sending in goons. Right. There's
• 23:07
  the French have a. They have the gendarmes,
• 23:09
  which are local police. They're not involved
• 23:13
  in this. Then there's the national police, which
• 23:15
  used to be called the Sûreté, which are somewhat
• 23:18
  involved. But the CRS, which is basically the
• 23:21
  goon squads of the state, and they are very effective
• 23:24
  at this because they're not based in the local
• 23:27
  community. They don't live there. So they're
• 23:29
  parachuted in from somewhere else, usually from
• 23:32
  more conservative parts of the country, to go
• 23:35
  in and beat the shit out of people, out of protesters.
• 23:38
  And that's what turns the protests. That's why
• 23:40
  I like the left. They call it police riots. In
• 23:44
  other words, it's the riots that started by the
• 23:47
  police. This would not have disintegrated
• 23:49
  to this point if the police hadn't poured on
• 23:52
  the pressure. Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Look, I agree with Robby in the sense of, I don't want store
• 24:00
  owners and people like that hurt and injured
• 24:02
  by the protests. And there's no but to
• 24:04
  that, short of the fact that it would be inhuman
• 24:09
  if that didn't happen. All right. Meaning
• 24:13
  you, unless you have just an organized protest
• 24:16
  where people are, how can I say it? Like during
• 24:19
  the civil rights movement, during the civil rights
• 24:23
  movement, those protesters were taught how to
• 24:25
  be protesters. They went in it knowing they were
• 24:27
  going to take it. They wore suits and ties. Yet
• 24:29
  suits and ties. It was very, they had
• 24:32
  that stuff down almost like a science. This is
• 24:35
  chaos, but this is more honest in the context
• 24:38
  of chaos. It's how it's how people are, right?
• 24:41
  You put people under pressure for a very long
• 24:44
  period of time. You have a government that doesn't
• 24:46
  pay attention to what they want, and the catch
• 24:48
  becomes in addition to just decent people who
• 24:50
  are protesting for their rights, you get the rioters.
• 24:53
  Now, maybe you can even make an argument that
• 24:58
  the rioters are almost a necessary part of it,
• 25:00
  even if they're the worst aspect of it, because
• 25:02
  at the very least, that's the level of, that's
• 25:05
  the teeth of a protest. But I don't know. I agree
• 25:07
  with the premise that I don't like the fact that
• 25:12
  businesses are being blown up. But I understand
• 25:13
  that they're protesting for France, for themselves,
• 25:15
  which is France. Macron may be a figurehead,
• 25:20
  but that's different than being the people in
• 25:23
  the population of a particular country. Right.
• 25:25
  So, no, I get it. It's never clean, if that makes
• 25:27
  sense. Well, if it's clean, it's nothing.
• 25:34
  There's a No Kings protest. Exactly. That's exactly
• 25:41
  right. If you want to see this,
• 25:44
  hey, the No Kings organizers can pat themselves
• 25:47
  on the ass this morning and say, look at us.
• 25:49
  We're not like France. We didn't, no
• 25:52
  store windows were broken. No shops were looted.
• 25:55
  No store owners were inconvenienced. Hell, there
• 25:59
  wasn't even heavy traffic. Nothing happened.
• 26:02
  Because it has no impact. The difference between
• 26:05
  an ordinary Saturday afternoon and a Saturday
• 26:11
  full of No Kings rallies equals zero. There's
• 26:14
  nothing going on. They don't threaten the state.
• 26:17
  The French protests do. There's a difference.
• 26:22
  That's exactly it. One thing I was
• 26:25
  thinking about, too, is just to contrast the
• 26:28
  Tiananmen Square protests and how the Chinese
• 26:30
  government dealt with that versus what's going
• 26:34
  on in France right now and how Macron's dealing
• 26:37
  with that. Well, it's pretty similar. The CRS
• 26:38
  is more of the Tiananmen Square Chinese government
• 26:41
  approach. Well, I don't see the French out there
• 26:44
  massacring people, running them over with tanks.
• 26:48
  So I'm just saying, all things considered, the
• 26:50
  French should be really lucky that they're doing
• 26:53
  this crap in France, in these weak Western European
• 26:55
  countries, and not in their serious country like
• 26:57
  China. Protesters have and will die in France
• 26:59
  as a result of brutal police tactics.
• 27:03
  There's nothing to be... It's scary to be on
• 27:06
  the streets when the CRS is coming after you.
• 27:10
  They are fucking goons. And they are
• 27:13
  despised by the labor movement, by
• 27:17
  the student groups, by working-class people. Everyone
• 27:21
  hates them. These are not like officer
• 27:25
  friendly. I have a question. Do you want to put
• 27:27
  up that poster, that video? Yeah, I'll
• 27:29
  throw it up, but just a quick question. How long
• 27:32
  do you think it'll be before the EU leadership
• 27:33
  out of Brussels starts blaming this on the Russians?
• 27:36
  That's a serious question. Or the Chinese or
• 27:40
  Iranians. Yeah. How long do you think it will
• 27:41
  be before they say these protests are being whipped
• 27:44
  up by Iranian or Russian agent provocateurs?
• 27:48
  I don't think they're going to do that. They
• 27:51
  can't get away with it. It's too obvious what
• 27:53
  this is. It's like student protests. Okay, the
• 27:57
  Russians whipped the students up, right? Or the
• 28:00
  woman being dragged out of her house and dying
• 28:04
  as a result of them dragging her out of her house.
• 28:06
  Right. She was an Iranian sleeper agent.
• 28:08
  Italy is a little different, I suppose, but it's
• 28:12
  still the same issue. How it's like you guys
• 28:15
  are giving all of this money. Yeah, here it is.
• 28:18
  Let's have it. Kill the music. Kill the music.
• 28:23
  Don't kill the music. Robby, you gotta kill
• 28:32
  the music. I didn't have to kill the music, dude.
• 28:37
  I killed it. The music is gone. Hopefully we don't
• 28:40
  get struck, dear YouTube gods. Every show muted
• 29:12
  on my end, and I could not hear it. That is the
• 29:17
  most French thing that I've ever seen. And there's
• 29:21
  a part of it where he's in like the finger to
• 29:24
  the cops and stuff like that. And I thought to
• 29:25
  myself, that is amazing. How does the state lose?
• 29:27
  I was having a conversation with Jason Smith
• 29:32
  earlier. Once you've lost Pink Panther, you've
• 29:34
  lost France. Yeah. Well, no, I guess I was thinking,
• 29:36
  how do you lose a population like this?
• 29:40
  How does your population get to this level where
• 29:43
  they're this angry that they come out in order
• 29:45
  to just basically end up fighting cops?
• 29:48
  Even if they didn't go out there with the intention
• 29:52
  of doing that, it escalates to that particular
• 29:53
  point where you get a large share. And again,
• 29:55
  this wasn't like 100 people. It's with thousands
• 29:57
  of people, right? Well, this is also, part of
• 30:01
  it is that the French have a lower, they have
• 30:04
  a lower tolerance for bullshit than Americans
• 30:06
  do. So if, look, those schools
• 30:08
  that the French are complaining about? Oh. Most
• 30:12
  Americans would love their kids to go to a school
• 30:15
  that looked like that. They're in much better
• 30:17
  condition than ours, right? So the French basically
• 30:20
  don't put up with bullshit. They know, they internalize
• 30:24
  the fact that the idea that the government is
• 30:29
  there to serve them, that that's why they pay
• 30:32
  taxes, and they expect their government to deliver
• 30:34
  for them. They also know that they shouldn't
• 30:37
  trust their government and that their government
• 30:40
  can't, you can't just outsource. In the case
• 30:42
  of France, every five years to the president
• 30:45
  and, okay, well, we voted for you. Now we hope
• 30:47
  you do a good job, and you go back to work. It's
• 30:50
  not like that in France. I want to address something
• 30:52
  Robby said, saying they should be lucky that
• 30:55
  this is not the Chinese government and the Chinese
• 30:58
  government just mowed them down. I just had a
• 30:59
  guest who was on the show talking about China.
• 31:02
  And if you talk to the Chinese and you ask them
• 31:04
  how they feel about their government, they would
• 31:08
  say it's competent, and we basically believe in
• 31:10
  it because the government has effectively raised
• 31:13
  so many people out of poverty over the course
• 31:14
  of the, I don't know, what, 20 years. The mandate
• 31:16
  of heaven. You're competent. You're doing your
• 31:20
  job. You're getting us out of poverty. You've
• 31:23
  made us a world leader in this particular case.
• 31:25
  You have a blessing for it. But there are liberal
• 31:27
  values, right? And it is a benefit of France
• 31:30
  to have liberal values in that way, that they
• 31:35
  don't bring out tanks and mow people down. That's
• 31:38
  not a positive, right? That's not something
• 31:40
  that you should try to emulate. Hey, we have
• 31:43
  people who are very angry at the things the government
• 31:45
  has been doing. And so let's murder our population
• 31:48
  because they're angry about the things that our
• 31:51
  government is doing. There is something to be
• 31:53
  said for, quote, liberal values in the way that
• 31:55
  they call them. And restraint is built into it,
• 31:57
  especially in the context of people who are rioting
• 32:00
  against their government. That's not a positive.
• 32:02
  Now, I'm glad that you brought that up.
• 32:05
  Here's the thing. Okay, so in the Tulip
• 32:07
  Revolution, that was basically a CIA operation
• 32:10
  against the government of Kyrgyzstan. They overthrew
• 32:13
  President Akayev, who was the first democratically
• 32:16
  elected president of a Central Asian republic.
• 32:20
  Basically, the CIA recruited a bunch of Islamists,
• 32:25
  and they marched on Bishkek and overthrew him.
• 32:28
  He had the opportunity, he had the option
• 32:31
  to order his troops, his presidential guard, to fire
• 32:36
  on the crowd before they rushed the presidential
• 32:38
  palace. He forbade it. He said, no Kyrgyz should
• 32:41
  die because of my government. If the Kyrgyz people
• 32:44
  don't want me, I will not be here. And I think
• 32:47
  honestly I don't think any government should
• 32:50
  really be. I don't know if it's ever appropriate
• 32:54
  for a government to use force like that against
• 32:59
  its people. If things get to that point,
• 33:01
  because the government's supposed to
• 33:04
  serve the people. If the people are that pissed
• 33:05
  that you feel compelled to go and shoot at them,
• 33:08
  you're the problem, not them. And this is why
• 33:12
  color revolutions are so effective. Well, the
• 33:18
  color revolutions were pulled by,
• 33:23
  they were puppets, right? They were
• 33:26
  pulled by external. They were manipulated by
• 33:29
  the U.S. That's my point. You have a huge amount
• 33:31
  of the population that is either being manipulated
• 33:35
  or, for that matter, paid with all sorts of NGOs,
• 33:37
  all sorts of media. I'm not counting that. But
• 33:40
  in France, that's not the situation, right?
• 33:42
  There's no evidence or accusation of
• 33:45
  foreign interference here. I know. I'm not saying
• 33:48
  that. Yeah. So I'm just saying, in the
• 33:51
  case of France, if I'm President Macron,
• 33:53
  waking up every morning with my
• 33:58
  former teacher beating me up, I'm thinking,
• 34:00
  if this, if they don't, okay,
• 34:04
  look, I had a job as a tutor in East Harlem.
• 34:08
  And the kids were spicy. They were middle schoolers.
• 34:12
  And I remember they would throw
• 34:15
  chairs at each other. They'd break windows. And
• 34:17
  I just hated it. At a certain point, I was like,
• 34:20
  I don't want to be a cop. I want to teach these
• 34:23
  kids math. And if they don't want to learn math,
• 34:25
  then bless them. I'm out. Right. And so I quit.
• 34:27
  Right. I can't be effective here. Right. Right.
• 34:32
  Yeah. And if they don't want me, okay, fine.
• 34:36
  I'm not going to shove math down their
• 34:38
  throats. Right. Okay. I kind of feel
• 34:41
  like if I were Macron, I would feel that way.
• 34:44
  If they don't like me, if they don't
• 34:46
  like the cut of my jib anymore, okay, bye. I'll
• 34:48
  quit. I'll resign. That's what he should do.
• 34:52
  And his party kept losing. There's that. And
• 34:54
  he's at 10% in the polls, too. Yeah. And even
• 34:58
  with the prime ministership, right, where he
• 35:02
  effectively gained it to where he was in control
• 35:03
  of something that the public didn't necessarily
• 35:06
  want him to be in control of because they voted
• 35:07
  for the AFD and they voted for the, what is it,
• 35:09
  Unbowed. I think it's going about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:11
  He doesn't even have political legitimacy in
• 35:15
  real terms. It's like, yes, you're, and he's a lame
• 35:21
  duck on top of it, and he's the lame duck on top
• 35:23
  of it. So, yeah, it's like, okay, this doesn't
• 35:25
  look good for you right now. I was saying, JT, I
• 35:28
  think that you might be right. I was how I asked
• 35:33
  y'all how long will this be before they blame
• 35:35
  these protests on the Russians or the Iranians.
• 35:37
  They blame them. No, no, they haven't. I don't
• 35:40
  think that they can, because remember back before
• 35:43
  Trump started his war against Iran, what did
• 35:45
  the American and the Israeli government do? They
• 35:48
  whipped up all these riots, basically tried to
• 35:50
  foment a rebellion against the Iranian government.
• 35:52
  Yes. And then the Iranian government does what
• 35:54
  governments do. Government is not a teddy bear.
• 35:57
  Government is force. They used force. They stacked
• 35:59
  a lot of bodies, and they put it down. Yes.
• 36:02
  That happened. And just to be clear, though,
• 36:06
  that happened because those protesters that you
• 36:09
  pointed out was whipped up by the Israelis and
• 36:11
  the Americans in order to destabilize the government.
• 36:13
  100%. And so then... A force of sorts. For sure.
• 36:16
  And that's why the French could not blame this
• 36:22
  on the Russians because if they did, they would
• 36:24
  have to start stacking bodies of their own people
• 36:27
  in their own streets and then make that same
• 36:28
  argument. These people are not protesters, they're
• 36:30
  rebels. And I don't think the French got the
• 36:32
  spine to do that. By the way, the French know
• 36:34
  a little bit more. Rebels from where? The French
• 36:35
  definitely know their history better. Well,
• 36:38
  think about what I just now said. The Iranian
• 36:40
  protesters started because they were whipped
• 36:44
  up by American and Israeli agent provocateurs
• 36:47
  to try to overthrow the government of the state.
• 36:50
  The Iranian government responded in an act of
• 36:54
  self-defense and started stacking bodies because
• 36:56
  that's what governments do. Government is force.
• 36:58
  It is fire. That's what it does. Right, but nobody's
• 37:00
  whipping this up. These are just French. I understand
• 37:04
  that. This is indigenous. And I was answering
• 37:06
  my own question. This is why the French, this is
• 37:09
  why I'm sorry, this is why the French could not
• 37:11
  go out and say this is the Russians, because then
• 37:13
  the nationals, then the response would have been
• 37:16
  if that is true, if these are agent factors working
• 37:18
  for another nation, why are you not stacking them
• 37:21
  on a main street there in Paris? That's
• 37:24
  why. That's why they can't do it because the
• 37:28
  optics doesn't make any sense. No, I don't think
• 37:31
  yeah, I agree with you. I think it would be hard.
• 37:33
  These people are idiots. They made all
• 37:35
  sorts of weird arguments in the past, but that
• 37:38
  will be a tough one. Yeah, it's impossible. Removing
• 37:41
  the agency of the people who are basically doing
• 37:44
  the protests and the reasons that they were doing
• 37:46
  the protests. And again, they started off students.
• 37:48
  I have a theory of protests that they always
• 37:50
  escalate. That if you can't snuff it out very
• 37:53
  early on, that the people and the demands start
• 37:58
  to get higher and higher. Because at that point,
• 38:01
  they start to confer, they start to talk, they
• 38:04
  start to engage each other. And in engaging each
• 38:05
  other, they become somewhat of a movement in
• 38:08
  and of itself saying, this is what we want. Whereas
• 38:09
  before, it might have started off as something
• 38:12
  small. Well, we care about the schools. And then
• 38:13
  it becomes, we want the state to fail at some
• 38:15
  point, right? It never fails. And if these protests
• 38:18
  continue on, like the Yellow Vest movement, their
• 38:23
  demands will escalate. Agreed. We have a lot
• 38:25
  of comments, so we should hit them. Where
• 38:30
  the gopher tortoise roam. Hey, Ted, what about the
• 38:32
  MAGA chuds who beat the shit out of the rotund
• 38:35
  woman with the Release the Epstein Files shirt
• 38:39
  at the Trump rally? That was very disturbing. Yeah,
• 38:41
  that is. That was here. That was when Trump was
• 38:45
  here in Kalispell. Here on Thursday, was it? It
• 38:48
  was here. That's the first time I've ever seen
• 38:50
  it. Saw a No Kings rally. It was about, I don't
• 38:52
  know, maybe 20 boomers with their little signs,
• 38:56
  standing there in front of the Majestic Arena
• 38:59
  there on Highway 93, just standing there. It
• 39:02
  was, talk about flaccid. It was really sad. It's
• 39:06
  really the right word. So what about this woman?
• 39:11
  I thought Republicans believed in traditional
• 39:14
  values, which, protecting, not beating
• 39:18
  up women seems like at the core of that. Where
• 39:21
  did you get that idea from? It's unfortunate
• 39:24
  to see decent white men acting that way. Something
• 39:27
  like that. You said that they caught him on the
• 39:30
  uptake at January. He's right. He said white men,
• 39:32
  decent black man. You're not, you're not supposed
• 39:37
  to act like that. Yeah, you're a guy. She's
• 39:40
  a woman. What the are you doing? Yeah, they beat
• 39:43
  out that woman. Yeah, it's crazy. If you
• 39:47
  look at a Trump rally, watch the overwhelming
• 39:51
  demographic of people at a Trump rally. It's
• 39:52
  white dudes. That's the majority of it.
• 39:56
  Well, anyway, they have women with them. Sure.
• 39:59
  I get that, but I'm talking about just the majority.
• 40:03
  You need to break down. There are people from
• 40:07
  my church. Oh, yeah, there's no question. It's
• 40:09
  just like, oh, yeah, we got to go see the God
• 40:11
  Emperor Trump. But also, who lives in Montana?
• 40:14
  By the way, I can't get into the mind of people
• 40:16
  when they're looking at Trump sometimes. Sometimes
• 40:20
  it blows my mind to hear people say stuff like
• 40:23
  that when I've seen interviews or debates
• 40:24
  and stuff. And people like, for example, there's
• 40:27
  this guy who would go to a bar. He would
• 40:29
  be talking to people. All of these people are
• 40:31
  Trump supporters. And they would be saying stuff
• 40:33
  like, no, Donald Trump is doing this. And it's
• 40:35
  like five-dimensional chess because he's trying
• 40:39
  to do this. And the guy points out to him,
• 40:40
  dude, you're not making sense. But they believe
• 40:42
  it. Are they really like that in Kalispell, Montana?
• 40:46
  Meaning there's, are they still true believers
• 40:49
  in that way? Some are. Not as many. It's
• 40:53
  Trump has lost. Trump has lost the working class
• 40:57
  here. Listen, there's a reason why he was here
• 41:00
  in the reddest of red districts in a red state.
• 41:03
  It's because the ranchers are not going to turn
• 41:06
  out for them. They're pissed off because diesel prices and then Trump importing millions
• 41:09
  of tons of Argentine beef. The workers are not
• 41:11
  going to turn out for them because most workers
• 41:14
  are having to leave because they can't afford
• 41:19
  to live here just because the cost of housing
• 41:20
  or else is so high. Yeah. It's the entire coalition
• 41:22
  that he built, that he built is falling around.
• 41:25
  And you have Aaron Flint here say, oh, we need
• 41:29
  to build more data centers here in the middle
• 41:32
  of Northwest Montana. When we do not have the
• 41:33
  infrastructure to support it from an electrical
• 41:36
  standpoint, forget about just the, just how many
• 41:39
  thousands of acres of forest. So you're going
• 41:42
  to have to cut down and make this thing happen.
• 41:45
  The power grid can't do it. And then Trump said,
• 41:47
  we've got to have Aaron Flint. We've got to deal
• 41:50
  with Iran. Iran's got to be defeated very quickly.
• 41:53
  Meanwhile, three quarters. A little late for
• 41:56
  that. Half of the arena is empty. And people
• 41:59
  are like, dude, screw you. Wow. Well, I'm glad
• 42:00
  you brought up, Robby, I wanted to talk about
• 42:05
  that anyway. So we should talk about the poll,
• 42:09
  right? So we talked about the AP-NORC poll hitting
• 42:11
  a record low about a week ago. 32%. All the polls
• 42:13
  are a little bit different because the measurements,
• 42:17
  they, there are different. But the
• 42:22
  Washington Post, if so's poll is now down to
• 42:24
  a record low, also 33%. That's just the
• 42:26
  trend across the board. And that's not going
• 42:28
  to change. It's going to be a 66% disapproval
• 42:32
  rating, right? So the president is 33 points
• 42:37
  underwater. Democrats basically are projected
• 42:41
  now to take back the Senate as well as the House
• 42:43
  of Representatives. Obviously, those
• 42:48
  polls have been less reliable recently than they
• 42:51
  have been in the past. But, yeah, I'm on Team
• 42:54
  Jamarl here. I think there's no question,
• 42:57
  the Democrats are going to have an amazing
• 43:00
  night a couple of weeks from now.
• 43:05
  I think it's going to be historic. I don't even
• 43:09
  know the argument. When Mike Johnson and
• 43:11
  these guys are making the arguments that the
• 43:14
  polls are obviously wrong, it's like all of
• 43:16
  them. It's like every last one of them. It's like
• 43:20
  it's not like they're telling a different story,
• 43:24
  right? It's not like there's no undecideds, right?
• 43:25
  That's what went wrong in a lot of these polls
• 43:29
  that went wrong is with Saeed. It's like
• 43:31
  there were tons of undecideds, and we just focused
• 43:33
  on the spread between the pro, the pros and
• 43:36
  the cons, right? But when there's not a ton
• 43:39
  of undecideds here when it comes to the midterms,
• 43:42
  yeah, and I gotta be honest with you. I wasn't
• 43:45
  even paying attention to the individual races.
• 43:47
  It just, it's a model. How the president goes,
• 43:49
  especially if he's a luminary like Trump, so
• 43:53
  goes the party. People are furious. The president
• 43:56
  is always on the ballot. That's my argument.
• 43:59
  I've always made the argument. The president
• 44:01
  is always on the ballot. And the public, especially
• 44:02
  for somebody like Trump, doubly so. Because Donald
• 44:05
  Trump is everywhere. Donald Trump was like...
• 44:08
  As Robby's saying, he's out there giving stump
• 44:10
  speeches while he's at 33% approval. And he's
• 44:12
  like hamming it up to the audience. He's like,
• 44:16
  I beat the shit out of Iran. Gas prices are low.
• 44:18
  Prices are low. Everything is
• 44:23
  great. And it's like you're making this argument
• 44:26
  to people who are suffering. Yeah. You're literally
• 44:28
  like, you're welcome. I'm awesome. You should
• 44:31
  be thanking me. And he's monetized to the tune
• 44:36
  of billions of dollars. So it's like, not only
• 44:39
  are you making other people poor, you're getting
• 44:41
  richer while they're getting poorer. And you're
• 44:44
  out here on the stage. Good sense would be if
• 44:46
  Donald Trump gave a shit about anybody other
• 44:50
  than himself to just shut up. Honestly, yeah,
• 44:52
  big cup of shut the fuck up. Yeah, he doesn't
• 44:56
  do that. He goes out of his rally. Thanks for
• 44:58
  the five bucks. I hope they burn it to the ground
• 45:02
  for what they did to Africa. England is next.
• 45:05
  What's happened, Mr. A. Lee says, what's happening
• 45:08
  in France isn't immigration. It's the economy.
• 45:12
  True. And okay. And Blake, it's Milk Me Monday
• 45:14
  with Ted Rall. Blah, blah, blah. What a legend.
• 45:22
  Sent Senali back last year and expel every non
• 45:25
  -indigenous French person from France leaves
• 45:27
  today. Let's go. Five dollars. We're getting closer.
• 45:30
  Keep the fibers coming. We need a little
• 45:33
  graphic that we can show every time that comes
• 45:37
  up. Yeah, we're going to have to develop that.
• 45:39
  Okay, Douglas says the Sahel states in Central
• 45:43
  Africa have kicked France out, and now they're
• 45:49
  improving rapidly. France is funding terrorists
• 45:51
  to send back into those countries trying to destabilize
• 45:53
  them. France needs more rioters. By the way,
• 45:56
  France was fucking that country over royally.
• 46:00
  The money that that government was... The amount
• 46:02
  that France was paying for, let's say, uranium,
• 46:05
  was like pennies on the dollar for what it was
• 46:07
  called. Yeah, the concessions were incredibly
• 46:10
  low. Yeah, the locals weren't getting anything.
• 46:12
  If you so, thanks for the buck. Robby, most
• 46:16
  of those French protesters look awfully white
• 46:19
  to me. You're regurgitating right-wing Trump
• 46:21
  propaganda. Well, it's also been cherry. The
• 46:23
  photos are cherry-picked, the ones that right
• 46:25
  -wing media puts up. Phileas Fogg, the EU has
• 46:27
  open internal borders but pays warlords in
• 46:30
  countries like Libya to stop immigrants crossing
• 46:33
  the Mediterranean from North Africa to Italy.
• 46:36
  Success in the Syrian war. They were paying Turkey
• 46:38
  to keep the basically don't allow the Syrians
• 46:42
  to come through to Europe. Yeah, and the Greeks
• 46:46
  kick them back into the Mediterranean
• 46:48
  if you so, but it's okay for the French to force
• 46:50
  their culture forcefully all across Africa.
• 46:52
  Right. This is not. This is just French policy.
• 46:58
  They decided to colonize. And now they're being,
• 47:04
  quote-unquote, colonized in a way that the right
• 47:06
  wing says. OK, but they did that. Right. Nobody
• 47:08
  told them to go to Africa. They went to Africa.
• 47:12
  Not to mention they had a policy for years that
• 47:15
  if you were an African citizen of
• 47:18
  a French colony like Cameroon, that you could
• 47:20
  immigrate freely to France. This is not really
• 47:23
  a new thing. They wanted the cheap labor.
• 47:25
  Rod and Goo, the violent protest of this weekend
• 47:29
  looks staged by the Macron regime. They knowingly
• 47:32
  let the rioters run wild by putting TV cameras
• 47:35
  on. I would say it's more likely provoked the
• 47:38
  rioters with the CRS cops. Well, that's a good
• 47:41
  point, though. What do you think of that, though,
• 47:45
  this idea of provocateurs that are added in order
• 47:46
  for the state to be able to say, hey, look how
• 47:49
  violent they are. Aren't they dangerous? Don't
• 47:51
  you want the state to put down this violence?
• 47:53
  Or do you think, no, I think there's a strong cost.
• 47:56
  I think there's a, well, I think it's mostly organic,
• 47:58
  but there's also a possibility that
• 48:00
  obviously there's a desire on the
• 48:03
  state to have an ex. They want the pretext, the
• 48:06
  excuse to crack down on all the protesters and
• 48:09
  quash them, right? Well, we know their agent provocateurs
• 48:12
  on January 6th. One of them is. It's
• 48:15
  all over the place. I agree with them, by the way.
• 48:19
  The word agent provocateur is a French word.
• 48:22
  I know. This isn't a new tactic. This
• 48:26
  is something the governments do all the time
• 48:29
  to make an opposition look bad so when they do
• 48:30
  start busting heads, they have a valid excuse
• 48:34
  to do it. Yep. This has happened all throughout
• 48:37
  history. This isn't new. No. With one caveat.
• 48:40
  Depends on how sustained the protest is. Because
• 48:44
  you may have protesters who need the government
• 48:47
  to kill in order to legitimate or to legitimize
• 48:49
  the protests that much more so. Meaning, if you
• 48:52
  can get the state to murder a lot of people,
• 48:54
  then you've, depending upon the country, you
• 48:57
  may piss off a lot of other people. Nepal is
• 49:00
  a really good example of this, right? There are
• 49:03
  protests, student protests. The state comes out,
• 49:05
  kills several of the kids that were at the protests.
• 49:07
  And the Nepalese start burning down buildings
• 49:10
  belonging to the state and burning down houses
• 49:13
  that were belonging to the people who were part
• 49:15
  of the state. Many, they didn't take that.
• 49:16
  Hey, they lost their. I jumped into the country
• 49:18
  immediately after they were doing this, and the
• 49:22
  guy explained it to me. So they killed the kids,
• 49:25
  and the people lost it. Yeah, but and that
• 49:27
  makes the point about why I brought up about
• 49:30
  France earlier. If they were just burning down
• 49:31
  government buildings and things like that, I would
• 49:33
  say rah, rah, rah, go at it. Yeah, but you may create
• 49:36
  a civil war, which is the kind of point I'm making
• 49:39
  in Nepal. When they killed those kids, the response
• 49:41
  of the public was fire, right?
• 49:43
  It was intolerable.
• 49:48
  The state fell as a result of them doing it.
• 49:51
  And don't forget, these protests in France began
• 49:53
  with kids also, and the cops, and they sent in
• 49:56
  riot cops to blow off the hands of
• 50:00
  kids, shoot them, blind them.
• 50:04
  These are children. I get that. And I guess what
• 50:07
  I'm hoping for is that the protesters are able
• 50:12
  to start self-policing and keep the
• 50:14
  thugs from looting grandma's corner store. I think
• 50:19
  that's a trap, to be honest. Yeah, and I think
• 50:23
  part of what pro offers a threat.
• 50:26
  I think first of all, if you're part of a
• 50:28
  left-wing protest movement or any protest
• 50:31
  movement, you can't be self-policing
• 50:33
  once you do that. You're going to start tearing
• 50:36
  yourself apart. You've got to keep moving and
• 50:39
  expanding and be dynamic and keep the powers
• 50:42
  that be guessing. At a certain point,
• 50:45
  you're riding a tiger, right? It's like
• 50:47
  shit's just happening now. Now it's like you're
• 50:51
  not in control. The government's not in control.
• 50:54
  It's a pre-revolutionary situation. Anything
• 50:57
  can happen and will happen. And you're not the
• 51:01
  state, and you shouldn't act like the state.
• 51:03
  So then if all this cantina gets looted, burned
• 51:08
  to the ground, you should just say, oh, well,
• 51:10
  my livelihood's up in smoke because these people
• 51:12
  are pissed off. That's why God invented insurance.
• 51:15
  If you can afford it, you'll be all right. Can
• 51:17
  you afford insurance if you are a business owner
• 51:20
  in France? If you can't afford insurance, it's
• 51:24
  like eating out. You can't afford a tip. You
• 51:26
  can't afford that day in business if you can't
• 51:28
  afford to. Yeah, you need insurance. Are
• 51:30
  you kidding? If you have a business, a store
• 51:33
  in France, you've got to know that it could burn
• 51:35
  down at some point. Yeah, you should have
• 51:37
  insurance. Okay, so there's insurance in France,
• 51:41
  no. People in Ferguson, they tried to
• 51:43
  file insurance to get recompensated for the riots
• 51:46
  that happened over there after Michael
• 51:50
  Brown got taken out, and those claims were not
• 51:53
  honored because Doug's
• 51:58
  burning down your store wasn't covered in your
• 52:00
  policy. Well, their mistake was they should have
• 52:02
  burned down the insurance company. But okay.
• 52:05
  Anyway. That's my point. There comes
• 52:08
  a point where you got to have the public with
• 52:10
  you. I actually think it's both. Things
• 52:13
  can be both, right? It sucks that grandma lost
• 52:16
  her business. Yeah. I don't want that. It's like
• 52:19
  she only sold cookies, and she was a very nice
• 52:21
  person. And yet they burned that shit down because
• 52:23
  ultimately she was just there. It's like a hurricane.
• 52:26
  By the same token, yeah, I don't think you can
• 52:29
  police your people like talking about. At a certain
• 52:31
  point, you lose control in general. Let's
• 52:33
  say in 90, what is it? It was like 90%
• 52:36
  of the protests that took place for Black Lives
• 52:38
  Matter were peaceful. The other 10%, less so.
• 52:42
  And it's like, okay, how do you really, yeah,
• 52:44
  how do you police that 10%? And do you, yeah,
• 52:49
  I don't think you can. Because then you just
• 52:52
  become cops yourselves. It looks bad
• 52:55
  when people loot liquor stores and have a protest
• 52:57
  claiming that they're doing it for the rights
• 53:00
  of Blacks. Yeah, it looks bad. That looks horrible.
• 53:04
  I don't want that on Fox News. But how do I stop
• 53:06
  the thugs and the goons from doing that as I'm
• 53:08
  trying to prosecute my case? You can't. I don't
• 53:11
  know if you can. No, you just can't.
• 53:13
  It's kind of like this is just kind of party
• 53:17
  to the process. It's what a revolutionary protest
• 53:20
  looks like. Rod and Goo, thanks for the 10 euros.
• 53:23
  The goal is to scare the normies and push them
• 53:26
  to ask for a NATO authoritarian regime and shut
• 53:30
  up about the incoming austerity. Macron doesn't
• 53:34
  want anyone to bring up how he has bankrupted
• 53:36
  the country. He has bankrupted the country. And
• 53:39
  of course, Nord Stream did not help. Yes, great
• 53:44
  point. But see, from my point of view. If they
• 53:47
  don't do anything, Europe is trying to push these
• 53:49
  people into a fight with the Russians. Rebellion
• 53:53
  might be the only way out, unless they have a
• 53:56
  political solution to the issue. Well,
• 53:59
  so, yeah, I don't know if, yeah, I don't
• 54:02
  know how electoral college, right now,
• 54:05
  if we had the French elections, which
• 54:08
  are scheduled for the, I think, spring of next
• 54:11
  year, you're going to be looking at... It looks
• 54:15
  like there's not going to be a significant centrist
• 54:18
  component there. It's going to be a battle between
• 54:21
  Marine Le Pen and Jean-Luc Mélenchon of La France
• 54:25
  Insoumise. And so it's going to be left versus
• 54:28
  right, which means the French people are going
• 54:30
  to have a clear, decisive decision to make at
• 54:34
  the polls. I'm envious of them. It's going to
• 54:37
  be super exciting. They're first going to have
• 54:39
  a two-part election. There's going to be dozens
• 54:42
  of parties, but those two are going to be in
• 54:45
  the runoff, probably. She certainly will be,
• 54:48
  whether Mélenchon makes it. Right now,
• 54:52
  of course, it's so interesting because the powers
• 54:55
  that be, like Macron, are blaming the left, but
• 54:58
  not the right, for all the problems. And so you
• 55:01
  can sort of see where their bread is ultimately
• 55:04
  buttered. Centrists are basically conservatives.
• 55:08
  What do you think? What do you think the public
• 55:11
  will go with that? I'm very curious. Do you think
• 55:15
  they would go the unbalanced direction? Do you
• 55:17
  think they would go the national reality direction?
• 55:19
  I don't. Right now, the polls indicate that it
• 55:22
  would go to Le Pen. But it's a long
• 55:29
  way between now and the elections.
• 55:33
  It could, yeah. The LFI has to be able
• 55:38
  to put together a platform that combines the
• 55:42
  sweet spot of a better life, optimism, as well
• 55:47
  as law and order. That's kind of the thread,
• 55:50
  the needle that Mélenchon is going to have to
• 55:53
  thread. And he can't really talk about
• 55:56
  law and order right now while this is all going
• 55:58
  on. But there would have to be sort of a,
• 56:01
  if I were him. The argument I would
• 56:04
  make to the French people would go something
• 56:06
  along the lines of, look, law and order
• 56:10
  is useless if people are poor and starving. And
• 56:15
  peace will naturally restore when these issues
• 56:20
  are finally addressed. It's like the
• 56:24
  people are not really to blame for getting angry
• 56:27
  after years of provocation. That would be my...
• 56:30
  You kept poking this bear, and finally it bit
• 56:36
  you. How is he going to deal with the French
• 56:39
  budget? That's the other issue, right? One idea
• 56:44
  that he has is to write off part of the debt.
• 56:47
  Countries have done that. They've defaulted on
• 56:49
  their debt. I can't imagine he would do that.
• 56:53
  Look, the French have things they could do. First
• 56:57
  of all, the French economy is... The economy
• 57:02
  itself is vibrant. They have high productivity.
• 57:04
  They have a lot of great industries. What they
• 57:10
  have is serious problems with perpetual long
• 57:13
  -term unemployment. A lot of companies have trouble
• 57:19
  paying their retirees because of the demographics,
• 57:22
  because of the low birth rate. So they have to
• 57:24
  address issues like that. But, for
• 57:27
  example, can you imagine if the LFI
• 57:30
  were to come to power? And by the way, Mélenchon
• 57:32
  could say this, one of my first acts will be
• 57:34
  to get to make nice with Putin. I'll
• 57:38
  restore France's traditional friendly
• 57:42
  relations with Russia, which go back hundreds
• 57:44
  of years. It's like we're not, we're
• 57:47
  not gonna keep doing this way. Let's
• 57:49
  finish. Let's rebuild Nord Stream.
• 57:52
  Let's get, make an energy, get
• 57:55
  our, get affordable energy into the French
• 57:58
  economy. There's a lot of things they can do.
• 58:01
  Well, also they don't control their own currency,
• 58:03
  which is the main point, right? It's the
• 58:06
  break. Well, the LFI would definitely both made
• 58:09
  the left and the right would break away from.
• 58:11
  They would definitely break away from the monetary
• 58:13
  union if they could. Really? So, yeah, they might
• 58:17
  stay in the EU politically, but they would probably
• 58:20
  want more kind of the deal that the UK had before
• 58:23
  Brexit, where they have their own currency and
• 58:26
  they're in charge of their own destiny. That's the thing, too, right? France and Germany,
• 58:28
  they still, it's so funny because technically
• 58:30
  the mark and the franc still sort of exist in
• 58:32
  an abstract floating zone. And those back up
• 58:36
  the euro far disproportionately more than
• 58:39
  the Mediterranean countries like
• 58:42
  Greece and Italy. They're subsidizing the rest
• 58:44
  of the EU, and they can't afford it. True, but are
• 58:46
  they going to do anything about it? That's the
• 58:51
  catch. Meaning if Mélenchon gets in the
• 58:53
  office, A, they're going to have to deal with the
• 58:56
  debt. They're going to deal with the fact that
• 58:58
  the interest rate in France is basically higher
• 59:00
  than anywhere else, which means they have so much
• 59:02
  money to pay back. And they're gonna have to
• 59:04
  deal with the fact that that's not. By the way,
• 59:06
  we have the same issue here in these states, right?
• 59:09
  Our interest rate is low because we are the world
• 59:11
  currency. But $40 trillion in debt, $2 trillion
• 59:13
  a year that we're paying on it. That number is
• 59:17
  accelerating, by the way. That number is going
• 59:19
  up with Trump. And the moment that the big, beautiful
• 59:20
  bill comes into full fruition, that number is
• 59:22
  going to go through the roof. It's going to be
• 59:24
  like $50 trillion in debt. And nobody is saying,
• 59:26
  how do we pay this back? And I guess I'm saying,
• 59:29
  is it France in the same spot? Especially for
• 59:31
  somebody like Mélenchon coming in. No, France
• 59:33
  has major, they do have major problems. And they're
• 59:34
  going to have to deal with it. And they don't
• 59:37
  even control their own currency. So maybe he
• 59:38
  does something dramatic. But if France does something
• 59:41
  dramatic, that destroys the European Union. France
• 59:43
  would have to end its pension system.
• 59:46
  That's what people don't want to admit. That's
• 59:50
  what's going to have to happen. If you don't
• 59:52
  have enough, if you have told your population
• 59:55
  you no longer need to have kids because they're
• 59:59
  an inconvenience, and then you don't have those
• 1:00:02
  kids anymore to continue paying taxes for the
• 1:00:05
  old people, then the entire thing just implodes.
• 1:00:07
  So either A, you got to start telling Frenchies
• 1:00:12
  to start having more babies, or B, you got to
• 1:00:14
  cough grandma off of her pension checks. It's
• 1:00:17
  a binary choice. Why don't they start having
• 1:00:21
  more kids, Ted? They don't like having sex. It's
• 1:00:22
  supposed to be the city of love. It's supposed
• 1:00:26
  to be the country of love, right? France is the
• 1:00:29
  country that has porn on their regular TV show
• 1:00:31
  or channels, right? Are they able to show women's
• 1:00:34
  breasts on their regular TV? Yeah, we don't do
• 1:00:36
  that shit in America. So how does that country
• 1:00:39
  not have enough babies? The real problem
• 1:00:41
  is that to be if you're 18, 19, 25
• 1:00:45
  years old in France, you're fucking poor. You
• 1:00:49
  know, there's, it's impossible to find a job or
• 1:00:53
  even if you find a job to find a good job. So
• 1:00:56
  basically, it's kind of like an extreme version
• 1:00:59
  of what happened to Gen X here in the United
• 1:01:01
  States when Gen X got out of high
• 1:01:04
  school and college and they found that
• 1:01:07
  they had to postpone marriage and having kids
• 1:01:09
  and buying a car and all that because they were
• 1:01:11
  so poor. So by the time they're able
• 1:01:13
  to afford to get into the work, you don't really
• 1:01:17
  get into the workplace in France until in the
• 1:01:20
  real workplace until you're in your 30s or even
• 1:01:23
  40s. That's the problem. Yeah, Japan and South Korea
• 1:01:25
  have the same problem. Yeah, we do have the same
• 1:01:28
  problem, I think. Yeah, that would be. I would
• 1:01:31
  be full-on 100% supporting it. People are calling
• 1:01:35
  me the commie. I will gladly get the hammer and
• 1:01:39
  sickle. If you would march on the Marseilles
• 1:01:41
  Palace, burn Paris to the ground, burn the Imperial
• 1:01:44
  Palace in Tokyo to the ground, burn the Presidential
• 1:01:48
  Palace in Seoul to the ground, and say, you are
• 1:01:50
  going to end this. We are going to take our futures
• 1:01:53
  back. We do not live for you. You work for us.
• 1:01:55
  You're going to fix this economic problem. We're
• 1:01:57
  going to have kids. Eat a dick. That's a revolution
• 1:02:00
  I could 100% get on board with. So, we should
• 1:02:03
  keep talking because we have a lot. We should
• 1:02:09
  move on. We have a lot more to talk about. By
• 1:02:13
  the way, just a little bit of housekeeping. On
• 1:02:16
  Thursday, later in the week, we will have Thaddeus
• 1:02:18
  Russell, the author of Savior and Seducer, Renegade
• 1:02:22
  History of the United States in the World. His
• 1:02:26
  thesis is basically that the U.S. likes to brutalize
• 1:02:29
  foreigners through its foreign policy and seduce
• 1:02:34
  them through their pop culture. And this one
• 1:02:38
  later in next week, we're going to have Steve
• 1:02:41
  Kinzer, author of Boiling Point. I just finished
• 1:02:44
  it. How America brought the war to Ukraine. OK,
• 1:02:47
  so he's spot on because he even talks
• 1:02:50
  about how the Biden administration shut down
• 1:02:53
  RT and Sputnik. Does he? He does. Does he? Not
• 1:02:56
  approvingly. Not approvingly at all. Oh, I love
• 1:03:01
  him already. Yeah, no, he's totally spot on talking
• 1:03:06
  about how the U.S. pulled the
• 1:03:11
  strings at Maidan, kowtowed to neo
• 1:03:14
  -Nazis, propped up neo-Nazis, and how Ukraine,
• 1:03:18
  U.S. support for Ukraine is a giant fucking
• 1:03:22
  scam. But what I did not know was how
• 1:03:24
  far back this went, that the United States has
• 1:03:28
  been using Ukraine as a lever against the USSR
• 1:03:31
  and then the Russian Federation going back at
• 1:03:34
  least to the 1940s. And they've had a, this has
• 1:03:37
  been a CIA project from day one. It's fascinating.
• 1:03:41
  And so he's a big get, by the way. So we are
• 1:03:45
  here until 11 o'clock today, so please stay
• 1:03:51
  tuned. We are a two-hour show, Monday, Wednesdays,
• 1:03:55
  and Fridays, one hour on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
• 1:03:59
  Okay. Question. Oh, we have a couple more comments.
• 1:04:03
  I see some of these comments. These comments
• 1:04:07
  aren't free. All right, PW Walker. Dems have
• 1:04:08
  the 2016... Hillary rotten Clinton problem. Media
• 1:04:13
  keeps saying Dems will win, so Dems will think
• 1:04:17
  we're winning anyways, so I don't need to bother
• 1:04:19
  to vote. And thanks for the $5. I appreciate
• 1:04:21
  that comment, but I don't think that's going
• 1:04:25
  to happen that way. And the reason I don't think
• 1:04:27
  that's going to happen that way is because I
• 1:04:29
  think people are going to be very enthused to
• 1:04:30
  vote against Trump, especially with the numbers.
• 1:04:31
  That's what I think, too. Also, it's a whole
• 1:04:34
  different world now. Most voters are now casting
• 1:04:38
  their vote by mail. It's so much easier to vote.
• 1:04:41
  A lot of municipalities send you your
• 1:04:46
  ballot. It just comes in the mail. And you're
• 1:04:48
  like, all you have to do is put that back into
• 1:04:51
  your mailbox with the little flag up. And that's
• 1:04:53
  it. You don't have to go see the old ladies down
• 1:04:56
  at the precinct in the church or in the firehouse.
• 1:04:58
  It's like, voting is easier than it used
• 1:05:01
  to be. I think that's a huge thing. I can vote
• 1:05:04
  in my underwear. But does voting matter? That's
• 1:05:08
  the question. Well, that is the answer, of course.
• 1:05:14
  Oh, well, you mean next year when the Democrats
• 1:05:18
  have the House and the Senate, and the, and they're
• 1:05:21
  talking about how they can't change anything
• 1:05:24
  and they can't do anything, and how the economy
• 1:05:26
  still sucks, and that prices are still going up,
• 1:05:28
  and that wages are still going down. You mean
• 1:05:31
  in that way, is it going to mean anything?
• 1:05:33
  Yeah, correct. Well, people are because in France
• 1:05:36
  you would go out and go down, go out and burn
• 1:05:44
  down your city hall, but here you either have
• 1:05:46
  the choice of a flaccid march or to,
• 1:05:50
  every two to four years, you can rant at the
• 1:05:53
  party, the incumbent party, and vote against
• 1:05:55
  them and turn them out and then end up hating
• 1:05:58
  the party that you voted for. People are flailing.
• 1:06:00
  Americans are basically, we're lost. We are disorganized
• 1:06:05
  and we're lost. It's like a married couple where
• 1:06:11
  one side yells at the other, but the other knows
• 1:06:15
  that the person who's yelling is not really ever
• 1:06:18
  going to do anything. It's like, okay, I have
• 1:06:20
  to accept you being pissed off at me, but you're
• 1:06:22
  not going anywhere. We hate each other, but nobody's
• 1:06:25
  getting divorced. Yeah, but nobody's getting
• 1:06:30
  divorced. It's that, right? Which is very frustrating.
• 1:06:32
  But it's because that one side doesn't necessarily
• 1:06:36
  know where to go. And I think that's the way
• 1:06:40
  with the Americans in politics. They've been
• 1:06:43
  taught for the longest time there are two political
• 1:06:46
  parties, Democrats and Republicans, and you have
• 1:06:47
  your choice of one or the other. That's what
• 1:06:49
  you've been taught. That's what you've been programmed
• 1:06:51
  to believe. And as you grow up, you just believe
• 1:06:53
  it. And the idea of something beyond the boundaries
• 1:06:55
  of these two things don't even really come into
• 1:06:58
  contact. It doesn't really apply. And you
• 1:07:01
  would get people who would fight vigorously.
• 1:07:04
  We shouldn't talk about third parties because
• 1:07:05
  we need to focus on this particular election.
• 1:07:07
  They've been saying this shit for like 30, 40
• 1:07:09
  years and probably longer. Well, we shouldn't
• 1:07:11
  talk about third parties. Third parties are interesting,
• 1:07:14
  but we should talk about those later after the
• 1:07:16
  election. At some other point in the future.
• 1:07:18
  Not this time. During this very important election,
• 1:07:21
  the most important election of our lifetimes,
• 1:07:24
  we cannot talk about it this time. Every year
• 1:07:26
  they say it. Every year they say it. Every time.
• 1:07:30
  Nancy Pelosi, I remember, I will never forget
• 1:07:33
  it, because it shows how cynical they are. She
• 1:07:36
  was like, they'll come back. They will get tired
• 1:07:38
  of them. Where else will they go? Where else
• 1:07:41
  will they go? And you think to yourself, I suspect
• 1:07:44
  that's the position that Americans are in. Where
• 1:07:47
  do we go? And they haven't come to some kind
• 1:07:50
  of consensus that there's more beyond these two.
• 1:07:53
  Correct. Well, then, to answer your question.
• 1:07:56
  This is like one of those dystopian sci-fi movies
• 1:07:59
  or shows where people are living in a bubble
• 1:08:02
  city. And they're told, we can't go outside.
• 1:08:05
  It's all irradiated due to World War III. It's
• 1:08:09
  like, if you go out there, you'll die. It's all
• 1:08:12
  cannibals. Who knows? And you're waiting for
• 1:08:14
  that moment for someone cool to
• 1:08:19
  to break out and say, I'm gonna check
• 1:08:23
  that out for myself. I'm not so sure I believe
• 1:08:25
  you. So then basically, so basically what y'all
• 1:08:27
  are saying is right now it's like a, it's like
• 1:08:33
  a bad marriage where the people are screaming
• 1:08:35
  each other. I think where you'll see if something
• 1:08:37
  changes, and I'm sure that you both have have
• 1:08:39
  known people who are married who are in bad marriages
• 1:08:42
  and getting a divorce. It's not yelling and screaming.
• 1:08:45
  It's when they stop screaming at each other. That's
• 1:08:47
  when stuff gets bad. Well, that's when the divorce
• 1:08:49
  is imminent. Yeah, I wonder when or if the American
• 1:08:53
  people can rouse themselves from their slumber
• 1:08:57
  to even be bothered at this point. Yeah, at sufficient
• 1:09:01
  pain levels, I suppose. Look, I think the RFK
• 1:09:06
  quote that's attributed to him is right, which
• 1:09:10
  is, before revolution, revolution seems impossible.
• 1:09:14
  After revolution, revolution looks like it was
• 1:09:16
  inevitable. Yeah, we just right now we
• 1:09:19
  just can't see it because we don't know what,
• 1:09:23
  obviously we don't know the future. Okay, yeah,
• 1:09:24
  15 minutes left. Okay, shall we talk about? I'm
• 1:09:29
  interested in this in Putin's idea for a summit.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah, so Putin decided it has apparently they
• 1:09:38
  are currently considering having a summit meeting
• 1:09:44
  next month between the leaders of Russia, the
• 1:09:47
  United States, and China to try to figure out
• 1:09:51
  a landing for the Russia war. Obviously Trump's
• 1:09:55
  really at a, Trump's relationship with Zelensky
• 1:09:58
  is, he has had its ups and downs. This is one
• 1:10:01
  of its biggest downs, I would say. He's really
• 1:10:04
  upset. There's been a lot of drone warfare
• 1:10:07
  back and forth between Russia and Ukraine, and
• 1:10:11
  my take on this, Jamarl, is that the
• 1:10:15
  urgency for Trump comes down to the effect on
• 1:10:17
  global energy prices. His advisors are telling
• 1:10:22
  him, look, it's not just the Strait of Hormuz,
• 1:10:25
  it's not just the Houthis, but also the effect
• 1:10:27
  of Russia as a major exporter of LNG, crude oil.
• 1:10:31
  It's like, and if they are not able to, if their
• 1:10:38
  facilities are fucked up to the point where they
• 1:10:40
  have to focus entirely on supplying domestic
• 1:10:43
  demand, then that's more of an effect on the
• 1:10:46
  global energy market, and prices here will continue
• 1:10:49
  to go up. And that's just one more factor that's
• 1:10:52
  effect that's beating us up in the polls. And
• 1:10:54
  that's what this is ultimately about. Yeah, I
• 1:10:57
  agree with you. It's Donald Trump can't admit
• 1:11:00
  the honest reality that the war in Iran has created
• 1:11:04
  all sorts of headwinds for him and himself, meaning
• 1:11:08
  he can't come out and say, look, this war has increased
• 1:11:10
  prices in regards to inflation and has created
• 1:11:13
  a crisis in regards to diesel because ultimately
• 1:11:16
  that's Donald Trump is effectively accepting
• 1:11:20
  blame for war that didn't need to take place
• 1:11:21
  and the pain that everybody else is causing. I
• 1:11:24
  think he looks at Putin as somebody I can make
• 1:11:27
  a deal with, but I don't think fully understands
• 1:11:29
  what Russia needs for that to be a deal. I don't
• 1:11:32
  even know if he cares. And I think it's a faculty
• 1:11:36
  of the U.S. In the old days, during the Cold War,
• 1:11:39
  we could negotiate deals. It may take years,
• 1:11:43
  but we could do it. We could sit down and we
• 1:11:45
  could do it. These days, we've gotten so hegemonic
• 1:11:47
  that the idea of us having to make a deal with
• 1:11:52
  anybody just seems off the table. We dictate.
• 1:11:54
  And now we've come up in multiple... Because we
• 1:11:56
  don't know, we can't possibly put ourselves in
• 1:11:58
  the position of the people that we're
• 1:12:02
  negotiating against. Right, in this book, right,
• 1:12:05
  he taught in Kinzer's book, he talks about how
• 1:12:10
  there's how George W. Bush and Bill Clinton
• 1:12:13
  were baffled over the course of 20 years at how
• 1:12:17
  shitty relations between the United States, which
• 1:12:21
  started out fairly well at the when
• 1:12:24
  Russia became independence, how shitty they became
• 1:12:26
  over the course of the 90s and the aughts,
• 1:12:28
  and internally they were
• 1:12:32
  both like, well, we want good relations with
• 1:12:36
  Russia. We, they, they really told their internal
• 1:12:41
  advisors that, really confused. They,
• 1:12:43
  obviously they didn't want to, but Russia
• 1:12:46
  kept telling them over and over and over, don't
• 1:12:49
  expand NATO. It's really our line, our red line.
• 1:12:52
  It's the one thing we really need you to not
• 1:12:55
  do. Just don't expand NATO. As Medvedev said
• 1:12:58
  at one point, no country would be
• 1:13:03
  happy about having a military alliance,
• 1:13:06
  a military block on its own border that it's
• 1:13:09
  not a member of. Right, okay, and spreading
• 1:13:12
  to its border. And after assurances that that
• 1:13:15
  would not happen, right? And then basically the
• 1:13:19
  Americans played cute, well, you didn't
• 1:13:21
  get it in writing. You know, you didn't say,
• 1:13:24
  we didn't say Simon says. So basically
• 1:13:26
  it was a handshake deal. Gorbachev was an idiot.
• 1:13:29
  He had a handshake deal with the first
• 1:13:32
  Bush administration to not, and the Reagan administration
• 1:13:35
  not to expand eastward. And they just kept fucking
• 1:13:39
  doing it. I feel like that's what this
• 1:13:44
  is about, right? It's kind of like, well,
• 1:13:47
  we want good relations with you, but we're just
• 1:13:50
  not willing to give you the things that you want
• 1:13:52
  and need. Yeah, it's right. Because a lot of
• 1:13:54
  people think that Donald Trump, especially in
• 1:13:58
  the alternate media, that Trump doesn't want
• 1:14:00
  to deal. I don't think that's true. I just think
• 1:14:03
  he wants to deal on American terms, which is
• 1:14:06
  impossible to get. Losers don't get to dictate
• 1:14:08
  terms. You lost the war. You don't get to dictate
• 1:14:12
  the outcome of that war. Even if we spin this
• 1:14:16
  from an American point of view, at best, you're
• 1:14:19
  going to say it's a stalemate. Okay, at best.
• 1:14:22
  You can say, look, clearly, you could certainly
• 1:14:24
  argue that Russia hasn't closed the deal. They
• 1:14:28
  haven't deposed Zelensky. They haven't captured
• 1:14:30
  Kiev. Okay, fine. But there's no world in which
• 1:14:32
  Ukraine is ever going to get Crimea back or the
• 1:14:39
  Donbass, right? No way. So it's like, at best,
• 1:14:41
  it's a stalemate. And in a stalemate, if you
• 1:14:46
  want to resolve a stalemate, both sides have
• 1:14:48
  to give something. The Americans, it's
• 1:14:51
  not just Trump. And by the way, the entire
• 1:14:55
  American foreign policy infrastructure is infested
• 1:14:58
  by people with ties to Eastern Europe or Central
• 1:15:02
  Europe. People who, including Trump himself,
• 1:15:06
  who fucking are, who come from, who are sort
• 1:15:09
  of paranoid of Russia and have reasons,
• 1:15:12
  historical reasons to distrust Russia. But,
• 1:15:17
  yeah. Not Trump. Trump is German. No, I
• 1:15:21
  thought you meant like financial ties. I thought
• 1:15:26
  you meant like many of the people there. No,
• 1:15:28
  no, no. I mean like the Victoria Nulands of the
• 1:15:29
  world and Brzezinski and all those kind of people.
• 1:15:33
  They're all a bunch of Central and Eastern Europeans
• 1:15:36
  who have heritage from places that have been
• 1:15:39
  invaded by Russia historically and don't like
• 1:15:44
  Russia. And that's going to be true in Iran.
• 1:15:48
  That's going to be true in Ukraine. And any deal
• 1:15:52
  that he makes, as the Russians keep saying, and
• 1:15:55
  I think they fully are standing by this with
• 1:15:57
  guns in hand in order to ensure that such is
• 1:16:00
  true, are going to deal with the problems that
• 1:16:03
  started the war in the first place, which is
• 1:16:06
  the expansion of NATO. Putin, God, man,
• 1:16:07
  he had been out there over and over and over
• 1:16:10
  again, basically begging these guys for new security
• 1:16:12
  architecture of Europe that would ensure the
• 1:16:14
  safety of Russia and Europe. And their point
• 1:16:16
  of view was, you lost. Russia fell or the Soviet
• 1:16:18
  Union fell. We don't have to listen to you. We
• 1:16:21
  don't have to listen. And it's like, OK, that's
• 1:16:23
  exactly what they thought. Russia is a beaten
• 1:16:27
  country. It's backwards. It's the
• 1:16:29
  sad man of Europe or whatever. It will never
• 1:16:32
  be a superpower. And by the way, Kinzer
• 1:16:34
  challenged us again. And so this was also part
• 1:16:37
  of Kinzer points out that there was this longstanding
• 1:16:40
  theory among American policymakers down at Foggy
• 1:16:42
  Bottom that they needed to that basically Ukraine
• 1:16:46
  was a key to Russia being an empire, that if you
• 1:16:49
  separate Russia, if you separated Russia, Ukraine
• 1:16:52
  away from Russia, it wouldn't, wasn't really an
• 1:16:55
  empire anymore, right? And therefore that was really
• 1:16:57
  key to keep Ukraine away from Russia. And I would
• 1:17:00
  imagine they also knew that the gateway into
• 1:17:03
  Russia that was happened multiple times by the
• 1:17:06
  Europeans was through Ukraine. Yeah, most famously
• 1:17:08
  in 1941 over the course of those two wars through
• 1:17:12
  intrusion through Ukraine. So yeah, it's like,
• 1:17:16
  will they be dodgy about their borders when their
• 1:17:19
  borders being breached in that specific area
• 1:17:21
  ends up killing 50 million people? Yes, they
• 1:17:24
  will be. Obviously. As anyone would be.
• 1:17:26
  As Kinzer says, you could argue that
• 1:17:30
  Donald, that Donald, that Putin's
• 1:17:33
  invasion of Ukraine was illegal under international
• 1:17:36
  law, but the fact is no leader of Russia would
• 1:17:39
  have ever done anything else, regardless of their
• 1:17:42
  ideology, the form of government, anything. No
• 1:17:45
  one. I agree with that. If I were the
• 1:17:49
  president of Russia, I would have done the same
• 1:17:50
  thing. There's no fucking choice. There's no
• 1:17:51
  choice. Yeah, no leader of America would have
• 1:17:54
  done anything different. No, they invaded Grenada
• 1:17:57
  because they thought the commies were coming.
• 1:18:00
  They were going to end the world over Cuba. Right.
• 1:18:03
  There is a premise in international law called
• 1:18:06
  preemptive self-defense based on a, I forget
• 1:18:08
  what the name of the ship was. It was a British
• 1:18:12
  ship back in the 1840s, if I remember correctly.
• 1:18:14
  And the British attacked first, citing preemptive
• 1:18:17
  self-defense because they did not want their
• 1:18:21
  ship to be captured by a hostile power. You are
• 1:18:23
  not obligated to be hit in the face first before
• 1:18:26
  you respond. I don't think that principle would
• 1:18:29
  have operated, though, in the case of 2022 because
• 1:18:31
  that would have required the Ukrainian military
• 1:18:34
  to be massed on Russia's borders and present
• 1:18:35
  that kind of imminent threat of invasion. Wait
• 1:18:38
  a minute, they were on the Russian borders. Well,
• 1:18:42
  oh, okay, well, no, the Ukrainians were not massed
• 1:18:44
  on the Russian borders. Well, the trigger there
• 1:18:47
  was honestly was when Kamala Harris said, we
• 1:18:51
  are going to bring you in. We're going to bring
• 1:18:54
  you into NATO, and we are going to start establishing
• 1:18:56
  NATO bases like a week before the Russians went
• 1:18:58
  in. By the way, they kept trying until the very
• 1:19:02
  last minute. The Russians kept saying, all we
• 1:19:05
  want to hear is Zelensky, for example, say
• 1:19:08
  we will not join NATO. And this whole thing is
• 1:19:11
  is not going to happen. It'll be fine. People
• 1:19:13
  need to realize this war that's going on in Ukraine
• 1:19:16
  is not that sure, it's Russians and Ukrainians
• 1:19:19
  who are dying, but this is a war between Russia
• 1:19:21
  and the United States. It's a proxy war. It is
• 1:19:24
  a proxy war, and the preemptive strike
• 1:19:27
  was not against Ukraine per se. It was against
• 1:19:32
  American and Western interests in Europe, in Ukraine
• 1:19:35
  specifically. That's that. That's the trigger. It
• 1:19:39
  was never about Ukraine if what you mean by that
• 1:19:43
  is expansion of NATO either in de facto or operative
• 1:19:46
  sense. It doesn't matter. No, listen, if you're
• 1:19:49
  training an army to NATO standards and if you
• 1:19:52
  are training it with NATO tactics and if you
• 1:19:54
  are sharing intelligence and if you're giving
• 1:19:56
  them weapons, does it really matter what the pill
• 1:19:58
  is that you have on your jacket? You're a NATO
• 1:20:01
  army. That is exactly that's the point. That is
• 1:20:04
  true. That is the point. Yeah. Yeah, and of course,
• 1:20:08
  the thing is, it's like the U.S. has been like,
• 1:20:12
  well, we don't believe in spheres of influence
• 1:20:13
  anymore. We're a bunch of fucking hypocritical
• 1:20:16
  bastards. We still stick to the Monroe Doctrine,
• 1:20:18
  right? Of course we believe in spheres
• 1:20:21
  of influence. We don't think Mexico and Canada
• 1:20:23
  are in our sphere of influence? Bullshit. Just
• 1:20:26
  stole Venezuela. Rubio was just talking about
• 1:20:28
  the money we're stealing from Venezuela. Venezuela
• 1:20:31
  is nowhere near our border. And they say this
• 1:20:33
  stuff so openly. It's amazing to me the way that
• 1:20:37
  some of the stuff they say is accepted. It's
• 1:20:43
  like they're antithetical to the values that
• 1:20:45
  you're taught as kids. It's like, yeah, we stole
• 1:20:47
  this, we took it. Even Trump, when he's out there
• 1:20:50
  making a speech, the president cursing, saying
• 1:20:52
  we beat the shit out of somebody is rather amazing.
• 1:20:54
  It's like, so I can bring my kids to the presidential
• 1:20:58
  speech now because the president's going to be
• 1:21:01
  cursing like an alligator? It's not the argument
• 1:21:02
  that Netanyahu and now Trump has been making.
• 1:21:07
  Netanyahu for the last 20 years and Trump ever
• 1:21:10
  since the Israelis started paying his legal bills
• 1:21:12
  is that Iran is weeks away from getting a nuclear
• 1:21:14
  weapon. We must strike them first. That is the
• 1:21:17
  exact same argument that Vladimir Putin made.
• 1:21:20
  That's the exact same argument that Vladimir
• 1:21:24
  Putin made. Matter of fact, Netanyahu over the
• 1:21:25
  weekend after Trump endorsed him. What a... Just
• 1:21:28
  like we got to talk about the Iranians are going
• 1:21:32
  to build ICBMs and hold American cities hostage.
• 1:21:33
  It's the exact same thing. Sure, sure they are.
• 1:21:36
  Why does Israel get a pass but Russia's the villain?
• 1:21:40
  It's the same principle. Well, except there's no
• 1:21:42
  credibility on the Israeli side. All
• 1:21:47
  right, we got to talk about that. We have a
• 1:21:51
  few more comments to do. Okay, here we go.
• 1:21:53
  Rate. Thanks for the donation. And yes, I love
• 1:21:57
  the Ramones too. McCraw has no children. No,
• 1:22:01
  if you say he never knocked up his husband, indeed.
• 1:22:06
  That's what I was laughing at. So horrible. And
• 1:22:10
  can I ask the two hosts a question? Is it just
• 1:22:17
  me or are the Democrats doing absolutely nothing
• 1:22:19
  to try and stop Trump? Is it me or does it seem
• 1:22:21
  like the Democrats are helping the Republicans?
• 1:22:24
  Not you. No. The idea was straightforward. Let
• 1:22:28
  Trump be Trump. I think that was the Democratic
• 1:22:32
  plan. The other thing was, don't get in the way
• 1:22:35
  of Trump effing it up. For once, the Democrats
• 1:22:37
  finally did something right. Gorbachev himself
• 1:22:40
  said there was no deal not to expand NATO. Why
• 1:22:44
  do you guys keep insisting there was? Because
• 1:22:46
  there was. Gorbachev had numerous meetings with
• 1:22:48
  Western leaders, and they had a handshake agreement.
• 1:22:53
  He received assurances from all sorts of European
• 1:22:58
  leaders saying, don't worry, these are all NATO
• 1:23:02
  members. They said, we will not vote to support
• 1:23:04
  that. And so what he said before he died, there
• 1:23:07
  was no deal. What he meant was there was no written
• 1:23:11
  deal. And that's true. There was no written deal.
• 1:23:14
  Western people, it was James Baker if I'm
• 1:23:19
  not mistaken, and maybe I'm getting the name wrong.
• 1:23:21
  I'd even noted that. That's right. It's James Baker.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah. God, man, I have such conflicted feelings
• 1:23:26
  about Gold Trust. Oh, me too, because I was raised
• 1:23:30
  as an American, right? And Americans are like, oh,
• 1:23:32
  he's such a great leader. And then any Russian
• 1:23:35
  you talk to, they'll be like, that guy. No, I said,
• 1:23:38
  I say, I kind of say that guy too. I do
• 1:23:40
  too. I was reading the book Collapse yesterday,
• 1:23:44
  and he, God, he was incompetent. Yeah, it just
• 1:23:46
  like some of the stuff, right, where the people
• 1:23:53
  are like, how are you trying to at once have a
• 1:23:54
  strong state and strong individual states that
• 1:23:59
  are like a strong central government, strong individual
• 1:24:02
  states, and the point is you can't have both. They're
• 1:24:04
  going to immediately try to get independence
• 1:24:06
  because they're strong states, right? Right, and
• 1:24:08
  yet he would not listen to anybody on that
• 1:24:12
  stuff. It would get rid of people and just like,
• 1:24:15
  no, we're pursuing this course. This is the course
• 1:24:17
  that we're pursuing. And it all fell apart. And
• 1:24:19
  people, I kind of paid him. I think, I think it
• 1:24:22
  was a catastrophe for the world. It really was.
• 1:24:25
  It really was. And Americans have no idea, right?
• 1:24:28
  When they talk with, Putin,
• 1:24:32
  he's far to my
• 1:24:34
  right, and politically I'm not
• 1:24:37
  aligned with him, and his ties to
• 1:24:40
  religion and all that stuff, I don't
• 1:24:42
  relate to, but I gotta say, the man is
• 1:24:45
  a fucking colossus as a political leader.
• 1:24:47
  He turned a country that was destroyed with
• 1:24:50
  where there was widespread famine that had been
• 1:24:54
  completely vaporized by the West and
• 1:24:56
  rebuilt it from scratch, modernized it, strengthened
• 1:25:00
  it, brought it back onto the world
• 1:25:04
  stage as a superpower. It's so fucking
• 1:25:07
  impressive what that guy did. There's
• 1:25:11
  no wonder Russians, even people who are
• 1:25:14
  not on the right, vote for him because they're
• 1:25:17
  like, he's the George Washington of the Russian
• 1:25:20
  Federation. He is defending his state. Full stop.
• 1:25:22
  It's that. He's defending the integrity of the
• 1:25:26
  state. He's so impressive. So impressive. And
• 1:25:29
  he's taking muscular action to do so, realizing
• 1:25:31
  that muscular action was required. They tried
• 1:25:33
  the pussy style with Yeltsin. That didn't work.
• 1:25:37
  It didn't work. It just made it worse. For God's sake, they put, they overthrew a country
• 1:25:40
  on the border of Russia and filled it with lunatics
• 1:25:44
  and Nazis. As a Russian, what do you
• 1:25:47
  think about this? Right. You're looking at this,
• 1:25:50
  and you're seeing what the West is doing. And
• 1:25:54
  you look at what they did to Iraq and Afghanistan,
• 1:25:55
  meaning you've seen this entity knock over country
• 1:25:58
  after country after country. And now they've
• 1:26:00
  knocked over the border, and they're looking at
• 1:26:02
  you, and your first response is no further. Yeah,
• 1:26:03
  enough. It stops here. You guys don't take my
• 1:26:06
  word. Fair enough. Here are my werewolves, as
• 1:26:09
  Garland will call them. So is this war summit
• 1:26:14
  going to happen? Who knows? Yes, it probably
• 1:26:17
  will. I strongly suspect that Donald Trump is
• 1:26:22
  going to want the gravitas of meeting with the
• 1:26:25
  world leaders, the strong leaders, the ones that
• 1:26:28
  have military. All the Ukrainian,
• 1:26:30
  it's such a fucking infection. Even people who are
• 1:26:38
  on the left and smart still support Ukraine.
• 1:26:40
  It's fucking maddening. But anyway, Trump is
• 1:26:44
  going to catch shit. This idea is going to catch
• 1:26:48
  shit for the fact that Ukraine is not going to
• 1:26:51
  be involved. Why would they? These are about
• 1:26:53
  the world leaders. Yeah, this is like Yalta,
• 1:26:57
  kind of. The big boys are taking care of this.
• 1:27:00
  These are sovereign leaders of countries with
• 1:27:03
  militaries that can use those militaries and
• 1:27:05
  that are sovereign. We'll let you know what we
• 1:27:07
  decide, Zelensky. Right, right. Listen, if this
• 1:27:11
  happens, and I mean this, this is not sarcasm.
• 1:27:16
  I hope it happens in Pyongyang. And the reason
• 1:27:19
  is... Well, it won't. I understand it won't,
• 1:27:22
  but it should. Because if you look at the flashpoints
• 1:27:25
  that are going on right now in the world, because
• 1:27:28
  this involves interests for the three superpowers
• 1:27:30
  on the planet. It'll be in China. Well, wait
• 1:27:33
  a minute. I thought this was at a summit coming
• 1:27:36
  up where all three were going to be at the summit.
• 1:27:38
  I don't remember where the summit was stationed.
• 1:27:40
  They haven't decided where it's going to be.
• 1:27:41
  Well, that's what I'm saying. China should be
• 1:27:43
  the host country. Well, no, I don't think so.
• 1:27:46
  Because look at how the Republicans and the Democrats
• 1:27:49
  both paint China. They don't paint China as an
• 1:27:51
  adversary or as a competitor. Enemy. They paint
• 1:27:53
  Russia as an enemy. Yeah, but Trump doesn't care
• 1:27:58
  about that. Well, you're assuming Trump has agency.
• 1:28:01
  He doesn't. Also, the thing
• 1:28:04
  is Putin has to be able to travel safely. He
• 1:28:06
  can easily travel to China. Sure, but Trump went
• 1:28:10
  to China like a few months ago. And also China,
• 1:28:14
  it makes sense because the adverse, this is a
• 1:28:16
  proxy war, as you yourself said, between Russia
• 1:28:18
  and the United States. So China is kind of the
• 1:28:20
  intermediary. I just wonder, would he be allowed
• 1:28:23
  to do that, though, by the people who control
• 1:28:28
  him? I don't know. I don't think Trump is a robot.
• 1:28:30
  Trump's demented. He's incompetent. I don't think
• 1:28:36
  he's a robot. He's already been to Beijing. And
• 1:28:38
  the question is what comes out of this summit,
• 1:28:43
  hopefully. What are the possibilities?
• 1:28:45
  The summit likely will not succeed because of
• 1:28:48
  American intransigence. I don't think he's going
• 1:28:51
  to find a way out of the war. If that's the conversation.
• 1:28:55
  Yeah, that's the conversation. They'll seem to
• 1:28:59
  be really pissed off at Zelensky. The intelligence thing is fascinating to me.
• 1:29:01
  I don't know if you saw Marco Rubio when
• 1:29:03
  he was given an interview. And Rubio, they asked
• 1:29:05
  him, hey, did you do anything about intelligence?
• 1:29:07
  And they even asked him the question about Starlink.
• 1:29:09
  He was like, I don't know what they're talking
• 1:29:12
  about, the Starlink stuff. Scene that just went
• 1:29:14
  off. So their argument is, it just happened.
• 1:29:15
  It might just be a book. It just happened. And
• 1:29:18
  from the standpoint of intel, because Zelensky
• 1:29:21
  has gone on TV once again crying about the fact
• 1:29:23
  that he's not getting intelligence. And you think
• 1:29:25
  to yourself, so how are you bitching at anything?
• 1:29:27
  You are so reliant on the U.S. either giving
• 1:29:34
  you information for ballistic missiles coming
• 1:29:37
  into the country or for using the technology
• 1:29:39
  that the U.S. provides for your missiles and
• 1:29:41
  for your technology. By the way, not even supposed
• 1:29:43
  to be using it for this, but whatever. U.S.
• 1:29:45
  turns a blind eye to attack them. Your ability
• 1:29:47
  to defend and attack is entirely dependent upon
• 1:29:50
  the United States. And you are bitching at every
• 1:29:52
  turn about Trump. Yeah. I don't blame Trump for
• 1:29:55
  having had enough. I'd say he's been very patient.
• 1:29:58
  He should have had enough a long time ago. He
• 1:30:02
  should have walked on day one. Meaning he is
• 1:30:04
  stuck in a war now where as opposed to him walking
• 1:30:07
  on day one, now they're attributing this stuff
• 1:30:09
  to him. Yeah. And Trump's paying the price, and
• 1:30:11
  he's about to get jelacked. Yeah. So, all right.
• 1:30:15
  Do you think this... So, yeah. So, basically,
• 1:30:20
  this will just be... I think the meeting happens.
• 1:30:22
  It depends. But it won't end the war,
• 1:30:24
  though. No, it's not going to end the war. But
• 1:30:27
  I thought they were going to meet at a summit
• 1:30:29
  somewhere. I thought there was going to
• 1:30:30
  be a summit that had already been pre-planned.
• 1:30:32
  Oh, no, no, no. This is about a new...
• 1:30:35
  This is something separate. Something separate,
• 1:30:37
  yeah. I don't know if they're going to meet.
• 1:30:40
  It's not about meeting at an existing summit,
• 1:30:41
  behind the scenes. This is about
• 1:30:43
  setting up something completely new. Okay, yeah.
• 1:30:45
  OK, if it's the sideline meeting at the conference
• 1:30:49
  that I'm thinking about, then yes, it's going
• 1:30:51
  to take place. If this is just something separate,
• 1:30:53
  who knows? I don't know. Yeah, it's a who knows.
• 1:30:55
  All the reschedules will have to go. Well, also,
• 1:30:59
  what's the point? Why would you move the Americans?
• 1:31:02
  You can't trust them. Yeah, but China. Yeah,
• 1:31:03
  but you're not going to end this war any other
• 1:31:07
  way because the United States is behind it. Oh,
• 1:31:09
  the Russians can end this war if Putin
• 1:31:11
  would be off his blessed assurance and let the
• 1:31:14
  military do what militaries do. Russia,
• 1:31:16
  that's the rub, right? From my point
• 1:31:20
  of view, it's like because I've been on that bandwagon
• 1:31:23
  too. It's like Putin needs to take the gloves off.
• 1:31:25
  What the F is he doing? He's done that. What
• 1:31:28
  is happening to Ukraine right now is they're
• 1:31:32
  getting taken apart. Their infrastructure is just
• 1:31:33
  being completely demolished. St. Petersburg just
• 1:31:36
  got two plants. St. Petersburg just got slapped
• 1:31:38
  yesterday. True, because St. Peter's, because
• 1:31:41
  the Urate. Yes, because European countries allow
• 1:31:44
  their airspace to be used to hit Russia in a
• 1:31:47
  weird angle. That's true. So then what you do
• 1:31:50
  is that you occupy Ukraine all the way to the
• 1:31:54
  Dnieper River. You take Odessa, and then you
• 1:31:57
  let the little rump state formerly known as Ukraine
• 1:31:59
  know if you don't stop, we will not stop to reach
• 1:32:02
  the Polish border. Well, look, I think that's
• 1:32:04
  what they're going to do anyway, meaning I think
• 1:32:07
  the policy is to take Odessa. It's been five
• 1:32:09
  years. How long is it going to take? Robby,
• 1:32:11
  how can I answer that question? I know. But that's
• 1:32:14
  the point they're making. Putin is too soft.
• 1:32:16
  He has let the werewolves loose. He's giving
• 1:32:19
  you what you wanted. Because that's my point.
• 1:32:23
  It's going to take a little more time. It's time,
• 1:32:27
  right? I see fleas. I don't see werewolves. For
• 1:32:29
  one, drone warfare has changed a lot of the way
• 1:32:33
  that militaries can organize themselves, right?
• 1:32:36
  You can't have a million men just lined
• 1:32:38
  up like they did in Germany and just kind of
• 1:32:40
  rush through. Two, they've been fighting multiple
• 1:32:41
  militaries that have been rebuilt over and over
• 1:32:44
  again with European money, where hundreds of
• 1:32:46
  billions of dollars of European money and American
• 1:32:49
  money has gone into a dumping ground for Ukraine.
• 1:32:51
  I guess what I'm saying, it's not that
• 1:32:54
  easy. That's my point. I feel like I'm arguing
• 1:32:55
  the other side, because I used to press Mark
• 1:32:57
  on this. I feel like I'm on the other side now.
• 1:32:59
  He has let the world loose. He has shut off the
• 1:33:01
  ports. He has not. He's encroaching on Slavyansk,
• 1:33:04
  Kramatorsk. They're going after Zaporozhye. They're
• 1:33:08
  probably going to take Odessa. They're doing
• 1:33:10
  all of those things. They're destroying Kiev.
• 1:33:12
  Kiev is now a frontline city. Many years before,
• 1:33:14
  this stuff was happening in Donbass. Now, this
• 1:33:16
  stuff is happening in Kiev. Kiev doesn't matter
• 1:33:18
  in this. It's Lvov that matters. Oh, it matters.
• 1:33:19
  It matters because that's where the international
• 1:33:22
  press is. You don't think it matters? Oh, I think
• 1:33:23
  it does matter. It's the capital of the country.
• 1:33:26
  Here's the point that I'm making, though. From
• 1:33:27
  a logistical standpoint, wars are won or lost
• 1:33:29
  based off logistics. That is a statement of fact
• 1:33:32
  going back to the Romans. That's why the Carthaginians
• 1:33:34
  lost. Hannibal lost because of logistics. As
• 1:33:37
  long as Lvov is untouched, as long as the railways
• 1:33:41
  coming in from Poland and Latvia and Estonia,
• 1:33:45
  the bridges are still standing. As long as you
• 1:33:48
  keep on allowing these intelligence infrastructures,
• 1:33:50
  where you know that they are, to continue operating
• 1:33:54
  with impunity because they have foreign contractors,
• 1:33:56
  operators that are working on them, and you don't
• 1:33:59
  smack them, the Ukrainians can continue to reconstitute
• 1:34:02
  and reconstitute and reconstitute. That's the
• 1:34:05
  point. If you want to end this thing, you cut
• 1:34:07
  off, you decapitate the logistics system, and
• 1:34:10
  Putin is not willing to do that because of the
• 1:34:14
  bad optics. He's the senior statesman. Oh, I don't
• 1:34:17
  think it's bad optics. Oh, I think Ukraine is in
• 1:34:20
  no, he's afraid of bad optics. If Putin goes
• 1:34:24
  in and if he turns Lvov into Gaza, it's bad, but
• 1:34:27
  he doesn't want to do that. I don't think that's
• 1:34:31
  my point, but that's what he needs to do to end
• 1:34:33
  the war. I know, but for one, I don't know if that
• 1:34:35
  ends the war because Ukraine is not necessarily
• 1:34:38
  functioning under the power of Ukraine. Ukraine
• 1:34:41
  is functioning as a proxy. Meaning when Zelensky
• 1:34:43
  says the reason that they like him as a dictator
• 1:34:45
  is because you don't have to, dictators don't
• 1:34:47
  have to negotiate with parliament. Dictators
• 1:34:50
  are dictators. Zelensky is unelected in this
• 1:34:51
  case, in which case he is doing the bidding of
• 1:34:54
  a foreign country against his own country. Meaning
• 1:34:56
  the overwhelming majority of the population of
• 1:34:59
  Ukraine says stop the war. Under normal circumstances,
• 1:35:01
  that should matter in this case. But it doesn't
• 1:35:04
  matter. Right. Which means that even if you decimate,
• 1:35:08
  let's say, Lvov, it doesn't necessarily mean
• 1:35:11
  the war stops. No, it does. And I got to be honest,
• 1:35:13
  no world leader wants to act that way. I understand
• 1:35:16
  that we as Americans have gotten very used to
• 1:35:19
  decimating the leaders of countries or just turning
• 1:35:21
  countries in the glass like we did in the wars
• 1:35:28
  in either Iraq or for that matter, I'm thinking
• 1:35:30
  of Mosul. But they shouldn't act that way. That's
• 1:35:33
  not good. Listen, I'm not saying that you've
• 1:35:37
  got to turn Ukraine. I think we're both speaking
• 1:35:39
  English, but I'm speaking a different language
• 1:35:43
  here. I'm not saying turn Ukraine into a parking
• 1:35:44
  lot. The reason why there were no Patriot interceptors
• 1:35:47
  intercepting the missiles over the weekend over
• 1:35:52
  Kiev is because Ukraine doesn't have them. Right.
• 1:35:53
  So if you want to put the war to bed, you deny
• 1:35:57
  the Ukrainian military the ability to continue
• 1:36:00
  to reconstitute itself. How do you do that? By
• 1:36:02
  destroying the logistical hubs, allowing the
• 1:36:05
  reconstitution of that military. I guess I would
• 1:36:07
  argue that they're doing that, Robby. When they're going after, let me ask you this.
• 1:36:10
  Sure. When they hit that building and the building
• 1:36:12
  exploded. Which one? And people were like, hey,
• 1:36:14
  it looks like you were holding armaments in the
• 1:36:16
  cotton candy factory or whatever the fact, whatever
• 1:36:20
  they want to call it, right? Okay, those things
• 1:36:24
  end up killing people who are around the area
• 1:36:27
  because of the ammunition depot that was blown
• 1:36:30
  up, meaning that's a logistics hub. When they're
• 1:36:33
  hitting many of these places like the places that do aluminum or the places that
• 1:36:35
  do chemicals or places that do metals and the
• 1:36:37
  plant, they keep hitting these places preventing
• 1:36:40
  the places from ever coming back. Those are logistics
• 1:36:42
  hubs. They're doing that. I get your point. Your
• 1:36:44
  point is stop the trains. If the trains are bringing
• 1:36:46
  things in, stop those trains. You close the border,
• 1:36:48
  make Ukraine almost like a separate universe
• 1:36:50
  from Europe. I get your point. No, listen,
• 1:36:53
  the Russians have the ability to do to Ukraine
• 1:36:55
  what the United States has done to Cuba. Geography
• 1:37:00
  is on their side. It's a Strait of Hormuz and
• 1:37:03
  Iran. You have the geography. You have the military
• 1:37:08
  ability to do this. My question is, are you so
• 1:37:11
  afraid of looking bad in the international press
• 1:37:15
  that you're not willing to let the wolves out
• 1:37:19
  to do what needs to be done? I don't know if
• 1:37:23
  it's looking... I don't know if the issue is looking
• 1:37:25
  bad. Yeah. I just don't like that. There's
• 1:37:27
  too many people that have been killed. Guys,
• 1:37:30
  I'm calling a repetition alert here. We're going
• 1:37:33
  in circles. We're moving on. Oh, sorry. I'll
• 1:37:35
  go away now. Okay. So on the same point, Lavrov,
• 1:37:38
  he's the foreign minister of the Russian Federation,
• 1:37:41
  is in Iran right now. I assume this is just basically
• 1:37:51
  a consultation visit, just to catch up. And basically,
• 1:37:52
  the Gulf states are asking Russia to please,
• 1:37:56
  please, please ask your Iranian buddies to stop
• 1:38:02
  beating the shit out of us. Why would they ask
• 1:38:06
  him? And why would he comply? And why would he
• 1:38:10
  pass that message along? I don't understand
• 1:38:14
  that story at all. Well, the Gulf states are
• 1:38:19
  living in a fantasy world. And I don't know.
• 1:38:21
  That's where I have a problem, that the shit
• 1:38:24
  that they're peddling is going outside of themselves?
• 1:38:28
  Meaning, I don't know if they're trying to sell
• 1:38:31
  something that is unsellable. It's like, hey,
• 1:38:33
  I know we're in Alaska, but would you like to
• 1:38:36
  buy some ice? Yeah, no, not really, right? They're
• 1:38:38
  pretending as if they have nothing to do with
• 1:38:40
  any of this. And it's like, dude, not only were
• 1:38:44
  you protecting Israel, but Iran and Israel were
• 1:38:47
  fighting one another, which is bad enough. You
• 1:38:52
  also are allowing your bases and your countries
• 1:38:55
  to be used as platforms to attack Iran. And Iran
• 1:38:59
  strikes back. They're like, oh my God, I can't
• 1:39:01
  believe we're being attacked like this by Iran.
• 1:39:04
  Are you serious right now? And I keep thinking,
• 1:39:06
  is this for their own domestic consumption? Because
• 1:39:08
  this is ridiculous that they're even making this
• 1:39:12
  case. How on earth are you looking at me with
• 1:39:14
  a straight face asking me why is my country being
• 1:39:18
  attacked? Because your country is attacking my
• 1:39:20
  country. Over and over. And for whatever reason,
• 1:39:24
  they're trying to sell this nonsense. Oh
• 1:39:26
  my God, I can't believe Iran keeps hitting us.
• 1:39:29
  Why does Russia give a shit what the Gulf states
• 1:39:31
  want? It's like, what have you little pipsqueaks
• 1:39:35
  done for me lately? Right. Now, Russia will carry
• 1:39:39
  the message. It was like, hey, by the way, the
• 1:39:43
  GCC state said this. And Iran said, okay, thank
• 1:39:44
  you for telling us. Hey, let's go get some liquor.
• 1:39:47
  Let's go get a beer. Yeah, let's get some of
• 1:39:51
  those fancy chocolates. Yeah, bye. Yeah, it's
• 1:39:53
  absurd. Now the catch becomes, and a
• 1:39:57
  lot of people would say, in the association between
• 1:40:01
  Donald Trump and Putin, is Russia selling Iran
• 1:40:04
  out for its own self-interest? And I have to
• 1:40:11
  say, I think that would be insane from the Russian
• 1:40:14
  point of view. A, you can't trust what the U
• 1:40:17
  .S. is telling you at any particular moment.
• 1:40:20
  And B, Iran is a linchpin in regards to... safety
• 1:40:22
  of China and Russia. If anything happens to Iran,
• 1:40:26
  ultimately whether the government changes or
• 1:40:28
  anything else, it dramatically affects China and
• 1:40:30
  Russia's positioning in the world, meaning how
• 1:40:32
  they see the world. So I don't see it as being
• 1:40:34
  this kind of overt realist, even if we have
• 1:40:37
  to put a knife in an ally, except I don't think
• 1:40:43
  it's that. Yeah, but will they carry the message?
• 1:40:45
  Yeah, but the Gulf states are living in a fantasy,
• 1:40:47
  and so Saudi Arabia. Well, also the fact that
• 1:40:48
  the Russians can't protect their refineries from
• 1:40:51
  Yuki drones. So it would not surprise me at all
• 1:40:53
  if the Russians are buying a nice amount of Iranian
• 1:40:56
  diesel. There's that too. So that goes
• 1:41:00
  to my point. Yeah. I'm sorry, Rob. Yeah,
• 1:41:04
  that's my whole point. Until the Russians
• 1:41:09
  can figure out how to put this war to bed and
• 1:41:13
  win it, they need Iran. They need Iran because
• 1:41:15
  the Russian military cannot protect its refineries.
• 1:41:20
  And Iran wants to export its supplies, so it's
• 1:41:23
  a win-win. And the Caspian Sea is like right
• 1:41:29
  there. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I think a lot
• 1:41:31
  of people are looking at, oh, Iran is going to
• 1:41:36
  fall. Iran is going to fall. Whoever is talking
• 1:41:37
  to Trump, I think they're telling him the wrong
• 1:41:39
  thing. I can see the Israelis. I could
• 1:41:41
  see the U.S. or the Israelis attacking vessels
• 1:41:44
  in the Caspian Sea, but that would open up a can
• 1:41:46
  of worms too with the Central Asian republics
• 1:41:48
  like Turkmenistan is and yeah, and Turkmenistan
• 1:41:51
  and Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan
• 1:41:55
  all have part of that sea. And those
• 1:41:58
  are, they have studied new policies of
• 1:42:02
  neutrality, and they would be pissed off. Oh, the
• 1:42:05
  Azeris wouldn't care. They're Israel's
• 1:42:07
  lapdogs. They don't have no problem. It would be
• 1:42:09
  the other countries. Well, the Turkmen and the
• 1:42:11
  Turkmen and the Kazakhs wouldn't like it. Oh, for
• 1:42:13
  sure. The Kazakhs have oil. They have oil refineries
• 1:42:16
  there. Oh, yeah. Listen, I agree with you,
• 1:42:18
  but I would not put the Azeris in that list, and
• 1:42:21
  they do whatever the Israelis tell them
• 1:42:23
  to do. But the other countries, though, they would
• 1:42:26
  have serious feelings about their ships being
• 1:42:29
  hit in the Caspian Sea. It's not like Russia's
• 1:42:31
  going to look at that and be okay with that.
• 1:42:35
  Yeah, nobody's going to be okay with that. I'm
• 1:42:36
  furious, to put it mildly. No, these are relationships.
• 1:42:38
  Yeah, these are relationships. And they have
• 1:42:45
  a shared interest in the future, moving forward.
• 1:42:49
  Yeah, so this is obviously, I think we're on
• 1:42:51
  the same page about that. Okay, so... Let's talk
• 1:42:53
  about, oh yeah, let's talk about Israel. Did
• 1:42:58
  you see Egypt entering the war with Yemen? Yes,
• 1:43:01
  I did see that. That's wild. That is wild to
• 1:43:07
  me. Because people, to put it in context,
• 1:43:12
  Saudi Arabia has been making this argument that
• 1:43:16
  Shia Islam, specifically Ansar al-Assad, somehow
• 1:43:18
  lesser Islam or heretical, and that the Sunnis
• 1:43:21
  need to come together. And in some response,
• 1:43:25
  the Mecca pact, right? You have all of these
• 1:43:27
  countries that are supposed to be Sunni Muslim
• 1:43:29
  nations coming together, and Egypt was like, well,
• 1:43:31
  I don't want to be a part of it. Fair enough, but
• 1:43:35
  if you notice they didn't form the Mecca pact
• 1:43:38
  to go after and protect Gaza in a sense of Israel
• 1:43:40
  murdering and mass, mass killing
• 1:43:43
  in Gaza. They formed a compact to deal with a Muslim
• 1:43:47
  country. It's like what? And then Egypt has
• 1:43:50
  quotes where they're like, we're not going to
• 1:43:55
  risk ourselves in the pursuit of Gaza. I'm going
• 1:43:56
  to stand for Egypt. This is El-Sisi. And then
• 1:43:59
  for this is like, we are going to go after and
• 1:44:02
  protect Saudi Arabia. So you would not protect
• 1:44:04
  this other Muslim nation or this other Muslim
• 1:44:07
  enclave right on your border. However, you will
• 1:44:09
  protect Saudi Arabia at all costs. OK, somebody's
• 1:44:13
  being exposed. Some countries are being exposed.
• 1:44:17
  That's outrageous. They were saying in
• 1:44:21
  Egyptian parliament, there was people pissed
• 1:44:23
  off, yelling and whatnot. This is just wild.
• 1:44:25
  And the UAE apparently is also trying to get
• 1:44:29
  back involved in this war. Ansar Allah made the
• 1:44:31
  point very clear. We will hit your cities. We
• 1:44:33
  will shut down the Suez Canal. Do not mess with
• 1:44:36
  us. Yeah. Yeah, well, the lesson clearly has
• 1:44:39
  not been learned. It has not. So it'll
• 1:44:43
  just have to get spicier. Speaking of which.
• 1:44:47
  So in the West Bank, we all know about the Israeli,
• 1:44:51
  the Jewish settler terrorists who've been obviously
• 1:44:54
  for years violently brutalizing the local Palestinians.
• 1:44:57
  And now they've with, I guess they
• 1:45:02
  just feel like nothing could ever, ever stop
• 1:45:06
  them. They beat up a Washington Post photojournalist
• 1:45:09
  lady and a bunch of European diplomats when they
• 1:45:16
  went to visit during the olive harvest season.
• 1:45:20
  The photographer had broken bones. They beat
• 1:45:25
  her up for like 10 minutes. It's on video. And
• 1:45:29
  with all of that, Netanyahu said, oh, we
• 1:45:32
  will look into it, but we're not really sure
• 1:45:36
  what happened. I think everyone's sure what happened,
• 1:45:39
  but he said he's claiming they're
• 1:45:42
  going to investigate. They have to pay attention
• 1:45:44
  and pretend to care about all this. But anyway,
• 1:45:46
  in the midst of all this, the elections are in
• 1:45:49
  nine days, and Netanyahu is about it. Just got
• 1:45:51
  endorsed by Trump. I don't know if that I guess
• 1:45:55
  that probably helps him in Israel. Yeah,
• 1:45:58
  yeah, Trump is popular there. But whatever
• 1:46:04
  happened to election interference being a problem?
• 1:46:08
  This is election interference in Israel,
• 1:46:11
  isn't it? The only Middle East democracy?
• 1:46:14
  The U.S., which is the big funder
• 1:46:18
  of Israel, the president is endorsing a candidate
• 1:46:23
  in your campaign. It's even more disgusting
• 1:46:27
  than usual. Well, they beat that, what, it was
• 1:46:31
  like 80 or more settlers that were involved in
• 1:46:34
  that raid or the pogrom, if you want to call
• 1:46:37
  it that. They beat the reporter, apparently with
• 1:46:39
  bats and whatnot or sticks or whatever they were
• 1:46:43
  using to beat her. She had broken ribs. Part
• 1:46:45
  of her finger had been ripped off. Yeah, they
• 1:46:47
  put her in the hospital. She's in the
• 1:46:51
  hospital as we speak. They are doing this with
• 1:46:52
  impunity. And what's wild to me about it, my
• 1:46:55
  mom told me about it the other day, right? She
• 1:46:59
  was like, hey, did you see what they did to that
• 1:47:00
  reporter in the West Bank? And I said, they do
• 1:47:02
  that every day, right? Yeah, this is this is
• 1:47:05
  only because for whatever particular reason this
• 1:47:16
  has become a focus of news, and when the news
• 1:47:19
  media goes there, they're like, oh my God, I can't
• 1:47:21
  believe they're beating us and other people with
• 1:47:24
  bats and taking our stuff. Yes, that's what they've
• 1:47:26
  been doing. That's what we've been saying they've
• 1:47:28
  been doing. They've been doing that every day.
• 1:47:31
  You just didn't have your reporters on the ground.
• 1:47:32
  And now from their point of view, no consequences.
• 1:47:35
  And guess what? They're right. Beating a reporter
• 1:47:38
  is a rational act. If there are no consequences
• 1:47:40
  for the act, what stops them from doing so, right?
• 1:47:43
  They're trying to get... But you know there's
• 1:47:44
  protected classes, and a Washington Post reporter
• 1:47:47
  is generally a protected class, which is why
• 1:47:50
  not anymore. Although nothing really happened
• 1:47:52
  with the killing of Jamal Khashoggi. But it did
• 1:47:57
  cause inconvenience to Saudi Arabia, right?
• 1:48:00
  They still catch shit about it. Well,
• 1:48:04
  the settlers, from their point of view,
• 1:48:06
  there is no consequence. There are no protected
• 1:48:10
  classes as far as they're concerned. From their
• 1:48:12
  point of view, we want people to not come here.
• 1:48:15
  We don't want people videotaping this. We don't
• 1:48:17
  want people reporting on what's happening on
• 1:48:18
  the ground. So we want to intimidate by beating
• 1:48:21
  the shit out of every reporter that comes into
• 1:48:22
  the location. That's their point of view. And
• 1:48:25
  until there's some kind of consequence
• 1:48:26
  for doing that, they will continue to do that.
• 1:48:28
  I give you another one, the flotilla, and
• 1:48:32
  how the attacks on the people in the flotilla
• 1:48:34
  got increasingly worse up until the point of
• 1:48:36
  one woman said she was sexually assaulted in
• 1:48:39
  their prisons. They were doing that stuff
• 1:48:41
  where they were escalating the violence on the
• 1:48:43
  people because they didn't want it to continue,
• 1:48:44
  and I would put to you the settlers the same.
• 1:48:46
  The cops ends up coming. I'm sorry, the military
• 1:48:49
  police to oversee the beatings as they're taking
• 1:48:53
  place, right? These guys are working in tandem.
• 1:48:56
  This is not one or the other. All of these
• 1:48:59
  guys are working in tandem with one another.
• 1:49:01
  Yeah, it is election interference kind of, but
• 1:49:04
  it's, is it interference if you're okay with interference?
• 1:49:06
  Israel seems to be okay with the fact that the
• 1:49:08
  U.S. president is interfering into the quote
• 1:49:12
  -unquote into their elections. I know Netanyahu
• 1:49:15
  is okay with it. Did you see something about a
• 1:49:19
  behind-the-scenes deal with Netanyahu stays in
• 1:49:21
  office for two years and then leaves gracefully
• 1:49:23
  or something like that? No, how would that work?
• 1:49:27
  I saw some reporting about it, that Donald Trump
• 1:49:29
  was in, again, take the reporting with a grain
• 1:49:32
  of salt, that there was conversations between
• 1:49:34
  the White House and other elements of the Israeli
• 1:49:36
  government to allow Netanyahu to stay in for
• 1:49:39
  additional two years and then allow him to leave
• 1:49:42
  with somebody else coming into fruition because
• 1:49:44
  Trump apparently prefers Netanyahu to be in office.
• 1:49:47
  I don't know if that's true. Who knows? That
• 1:49:50
  doesn't sound right. Yeah, but he is openly saying
• 1:49:53
  he wants Netanyahu to stay in office. And for
• 1:49:55
  whatever reason, Israel seems to like Donald
• 1:49:58
  Trump. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they do all because
• 1:50:02
  he did so much for them. Right. He moved
• 1:50:04
  the capital, the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem and
• 1:50:07
  all this other stuff. By the way, I should point
• 1:50:09
  out that tomorrow, just as a reminder, we have
• 1:50:12
  an expert on the Israeli election system coming
• 1:50:16
  on to the show. Professor Gideon Rahat. He's
• 1:50:21
  a faculty member of the political science department
• 1:50:23
  at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and an
• 1:50:26
  international fellow at the Center for the Study
• 1:50:29
  of Democracy at UC Irvine and the co-author
• 1:50:33
  of a book called Reforming Israel's Political
• 1:50:36
  System, also published by the Israel Democracy
• 1:50:39
  Institute. Now, this is not going to be some
• 1:50:43
  referendum on Zionism here on DeProgram. We
• 1:50:46
  all know where we stand on that. This is about
• 1:50:48
  understanding the mechanics of the Israeli electoral
• 1:50:52
  system and questions like you just
• 1:50:55
  mentioned, Jamarl, what exactly can we expect
• 1:50:58
  to see happen in the election and the immediate
• 1:51:01
  aftermath with coalition building and so on.
• 1:51:04
  Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting. You
• 1:51:07
  get a window view in regards to Israeli politics.
• 1:51:11
  Yeah. Yeah. I want to get y'all's opinion on
• 1:51:15
  this because y'all are both professional political
• 1:51:18
  talking head types. Netanyahu is about as popular
• 1:51:23
  as AIDS, maybe herpes here in the United States.
• 1:51:26
  He then gets on his soapbox and starts to lecture
• 1:51:30
  the American people about complaining about cost
• 1:51:33
  of living and high fuel prices. And then immediately
• 1:51:36
  after this foreign leader who is less popular
• 1:51:39
  than herpes gets endorsed by the leader of the
• 1:51:42
  Republican Party, who's out campaigning in deep
• 1:51:46
  red places that should be a shoe-in. What is,
• 1:51:50
  what are the Republicans thinking here? Is that
• 1:51:54
  really the closing message that you want to have
• 1:51:56
  is a foreign leader telling your electorate,
• 1:51:59
  your people, sit down, shut up, stop crying,
• 1:52:03
  be thankful that we're fighting these radical
• 1:52:05
  Islamists for you? Or that seems to be what the
• 1:52:11
  Republican Party wants the message to be. I think
• 1:52:14
  that's insane. I agree with you. I agree with
• 1:52:17
  you. It's like this guy is less popular than
• 1:52:20
  herpes. At least with herpes, you had sex to
• 1:52:22
  get the herpes. Okay, that's not bad. You had
• 1:52:24
  some fun. You had some fun. Oh, the Republican
• 1:52:31
  Party has this incredible, both parties
• 1:52:35
  do, but the Republican Party even more so than
• 1:52:37
  the Democrats. The gap ideologically between
• 1:52:40
  what the elites who run the party believe and
• 1:52:44
  what the voters believe is un-fucking-believable.
• 1:52:48
  There's just absolutely no relationship whatsoever
• 1:52:51
  between what ordinary Republican voters like
• 1:52:56
  and what the direction that the party keeps pushing
• 1:52:59
  in. That's not quite as true with the Democrats.
• 1:53:04
  Is it? It's not quite as true. For example, Democrats
• 1:53:10
  are a little more in sync ideologically with
• 1:53:13
  the rhetoric coming out of their leadership.
• 1:53:16
  I don't think so. Okay, with the rhetoric
• 1:53:19
  coming out of their leadership. Yeah. Okay. I'm
• 1:53:23
  not even sure if that's true. Let me answer
• 1:53:29
  this. Would you prefer to be lied to or would
• 1:53:30
  you prefer for them to tell you the truth? I
• 1:53:33
  always prefer the truth. Yeah. But when they're
• 1:53:37
  given their rhetoric and they're talking about,
• 1:53:39
  well, we need to ensure that the inflation is
• 1:53:42
  too high and that we need to bring down the gas
• 1:53:45
  prices. Okay, well, what are they talking about,
• 1:53:47
  right? And Joe Biden, they were perfectly fine
• 1:53:49
  with gas prices going up, and they called it
• 1:53:50
  Putin's price hike. Right? And now they're trying
• 1:53:53
  to exploit the fact that Donald Trump is involved
• 1:53:55
  in a war, even though they also hate Iran. If
• 1:53:59
  you listen to, they wouldn't necessarily
• 1:54:01
  give Iran credit for fighting back. When Ro Khanna
• 1:54:05
  was asked about whether Iran had a
• 1:54:07
  right to defend itself, he was like, yeah, kind
• 1:54:09
  of, but not the way they kind of did, because,
• 1:54:12
  they blew up American bases. Okay,
• 1:54:15
  is that really? Right. You can't use violence
• 1:54:18
  to defend yourself in a war. Yeah, of course.
• 1:54:21
  I'm trying to make the point of saying, though,
• 1:54:25
  are liberals. I agree that liberals, basic liberals.
• 1:54:30
  That's what I'm talking about. That is the party.
• 1:54:33
  Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. But
• 1:54:37
  90 percent of Republicans are not in favor
• 1:54:41
  of the policies that are pushed by the in open by the president. I don't think that's
• 1:54:44
  true. Well, I think it is true because Trump
• 1:54:48
  said the exact opposite of what he's doing right
• 1:54:51
  now on all counts. Meaning everything that they
• 1:54:55
  voted him in for, he is doing the opposite. Correct.
• 1:54:59
  But what I'm saying is that I'm not talking about
• 1:55:03
  right-wingers like me. I'm talking about Republicans.
• 1:55:05
  I think that they are all in like the MAGA-style
• 1:55:08
  Republican. Trump can do no wrong. I know I got
• 1:55:11
  executed from my church on Friday. Oh, God, yes.
• 1:55:15
  100%. No, because we were talking about pride.
• 1:55:20
  And I said, well, saying that America is an exceptional
• 1:55:25
  nation is pride. And pride is one of the things
• 1:55:28
  that God hates. And I was immediately, Ted, you'll
• 1:55:31
  love this. They called me a communist. What?
• 1:55:36
  Well, we already know you're a North Korean communist.
• 1:55:40
  That's fine, right? But yeah, no, it
• 1:55:44
  just went wild. So why is it that y'all do this?
• 1:55:47
  Wait, just to be clear, you had this fight in
• 1:55:51
  church. It's a Friday morning prayer meeting.
• 1:55:53
  Every Friday morning at 6 a.m. I go to church,
• 1:55:57
  and I'm there for like 30 minutes because I have
• 1:55:59
  to be here before 7. So we go there, we sing
• 1:56:01
  a hymn, we read a book, the Proverbs of the day
• 1:56:04
  based off the date, and then we have a discussion
• 1:56:08
  about it. And one of these, we're talking about
• 1:56:09
  is pride is. So here's my question for
• 1:56:12
  y'all because you're gonna keep my. Trump was
• 1:56:14
  just in, was just in town the day before. This
• 1:56:16
  is like, we're talking about how. I just want to
• 1:56:19
  explain. You want this up? I did. I 100 brought
• 1:56:24
  this up. Listen, I have no problem punching to
• 1:56:27
  my right at all. No, y'all know me. I'm
• 1:56:29
  not the most diplomatic person. It's just
• 1:56:31
  funny to me that you put this up in the middle
• 1:56:34
  of the church, but good, good. Well, because
• 1:56:35
  because the principle is the same, right? If
• 1:56:38
  God hates pride, then you just can't flip on
• 1:56:40
  a dime. And so I'm so proud of what Trump has
• 1:56:44
  done. America is an exceptional country and all
• 1:56:47
  this other stuff because if God hates pride and
• 1:56:50
  if God establishes and brings down nations, then
• 1:56:53
  if you live in a wicked nation, which we do,
• 1:56:56
  then God's going to judge this country. I may
• 1:56:58
  as well have just said that. I was denying the
• 1:57:02
  faith or something because it was that outlandish.
• 1:57:06
  The pastor took umbrage with me and actually
• 1:57:08
  made that the topic on last Friday's prayer podcast
• 1:57:11
  I did. It was wild. And so just like, no, if
• 1:57:15
  we do not bless Israel, then God's going to judge
• 1:57:21
  America. I said, I can't find it anywhere in
• 1:57:24
  the Bible. Now I can't see where if a nation
• 1:57:25
  lives by the sword or dies by the sword. God
• 1:57:28
  has a problem with hands that shed innocent blood
• 1:57:32
  rather than a nation or a person. And so our
• 1:57:36
  nation does both of these things while actively
• 1:57:39
  supporting things that God says he hates, like
• 1:57:42
  violence, unrestricted warfare, and collective
• 1:57:45
  punishment. So that's a problem that you have
• 1:57:46
  to make. Well, I'm curious. Did the pastor just
• 1:57:50
  get angry at you, or did he have a defense? Oh,
• 1:57:53
  no, no, it was, it was me against eight other
• 1:57:55
  dudes, and it was off to the right. Did, were they,
• 1:57:58
  were they just, yeah, they were, they were mad at
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  me. Were they using, the Bible, were they
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  using what were, or were they just yelling at
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  you? They were yelling at me. Did they argue? I
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  mean, I guess I'm trying to get it. Did they
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  make an argument as to why you were wrong, or
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  did they just get angry? Was it an argument
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  or was it a fight? Yeah, it was no, it was a full
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  -on fight. It was just like, no, Robby, if you don't
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  love America, you can leave it. That, you're
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  too much. You're influenced too much by
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  your left-wing hosts. It's just like, it's like
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  no, no, the issue is that I actually believe what
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  the Bible says. I'm reading it, and one thing that
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  God hates, that's the bad influence. It's that.
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  But of course it is. Well, 100. It was like, so
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  y'all let me know how many atheists it is that
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  you bring on to a podcast of you to come talk
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  to you and get challenged on things. And then
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  you let me know how I'm wrong whenever I'm taking
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  scripture out directly from the Bible and not
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  just cherry-picking verses, showing where you
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  are wrong. I said, y'all are making the United
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  States, Donald Trump, and Israel as an idol.
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  You should be ashamed of yourselves. Wow. And
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  I was removed. And I was removed from my ministry
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  position on Saturday as a result. Were you really?
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  I was. Oh, I'm really sorry to hear that. That
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  sucks. I'm not. Listen, that gives me more time
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  to sit in the congregation with my wife and hold
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  her hand. But listen, people who think, people
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  who are on here, and y'all just see one part
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  of me. Y'all understand I'm like a full person.
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  I've always tried to be very consistent with
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  what it is that I believe. It doesn't matter
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  if I'm talking to y'all, talking to Ted or JT.
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  Talking to Sonali, calling her a heifer, or going
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  to church. I always try to be consistent. I have
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  to tip out because I have an interview coming
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  up. No, you're good. Okay, you go. I'll wrap
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  up. I'll wrap up. I'll see you in an hour, JT.
• 1:59:55
  All right. It was wild. We'll wrap up with the
• 2:00:00
  comments, and then we'll be on our way here because
• 2:00:06
  I've got to get ready for the pre-tape. Bridget
• 2:00:08
  often tag-teams me with Miriam, except she doesn't
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  need a crystal ball crystal strap-on. Please
• 2:00:14
  don't piss her off. I don't need her trying to
• 2:00:16
  open the straight-up Trump-oos owl from Zaldivar.
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  Thanks for the $10. I'm not going to address
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  any of that. If you so, I cannot believe there
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  is genociding in this establishment. I'm shocked.
• 2:00:26
  Serious questions for the two hosts. Is there
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  anywhere in the world Bad Cookies wants to know
• 2:00:33
  where someone can go to escape the reach of the
• 2:00:35
  American empire, or are we screwed from here on
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  out? No, I don't know anywhere. Yeah, but still the
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  yeah, China maybe, or Iran. Ted, is Clovis
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  a Russian blue? Even your cats, Akami. Yes, Macadam.
• 2:00:52
  Clovis is a Russian blue. Dead Meme Club, thanks
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  very much for the $10, and happy Monday back
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  to you. And Bad Cookie says, we'll wrap it up.
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  Let him have the last word or her. Robby, your
• 2:01:06
  contrast in ideology is welcomed and wanted perspective.
• 2:01:09
  Even if I don't agree with you, you're at least
• 2:01:12
  willing to talk about it. Some others will just
• 2:01:14
  shout you down and call you a limb. And that
• 2:01:16
  is very true. With that... Robby, I'll see you
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  and JT in about 57 minutes. As for everyone else,
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  we'll see you guys at 9 a.m. tomorrow morning,
• 2:01:29
  9 to 10 for Tuesday's regular one-hour DeProgram.
• 2:01:32
  You'll have me for about 40 minutes because I
• 2:01:37
  have to do Jeff Dornick's show at 11 my time.
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  Okay. All right. No worries. See you soon. Bye.
• 2:01:42
  Bye, y'all