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Inside the World of Hypoallergenic Skincare with Skincare Junkie's Founder - Dr. Blair Murphy Rose · Skin Anarchy

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Hey guys, welcome back to Anarchy.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is your host Dekta, and I'm really excited to introduce you guys to a new brand today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I am such a believer in brands that are founded in science, as many of you know at this point, but also brands that really have a dermatologist behind them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And by that I mean someone who has the experience and the knowledge to actually know what ingredients to put in skincare products.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that is genuinely a fundamental for me at this point.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, without further ado and without me ranting too much, I would love to introduce you guys to Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Blair Murphy Rose, who is a board-certified dermatologist and also the founder of Skincare Junkie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the show, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: uh Rose.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to host you.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, thanks.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: So happy to be here.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would love to get started to learn about you and really what got you into dermatology, you know, if you could uh walk us down memory lane for a while.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was always drawn to medicine from a very young age.
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  SPEAKER_00: I come from a family of physicians.
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  SPEAKER_00: My father is a cardiologist who ended up working in medical device invention.
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  SPEAKER_00: My my maternal grandfather was a very renowned pediatrician, uh, excuse me, pediatric neurologist.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I just was exposed to medicine from an early age.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was conversations that we had around the dinner table oftentimes where we're just kind of um, you know, absorbed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, and I loved just sort of taking care of my friend's wounds as a child, just you know, silly things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I ultimately picked dermatology.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was my first year in medical school, and I was doing um a shadowing opportunity with dermatologists, and I just loved the department.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like um it was just a great field where you can, you know, you have a lot of medical dermatology and so many things, both cerebral and technical, that I loved about dermatology.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I just really fell in love with my patients and felt like as, you know, as time went on and I became more and more involved with dermatology before becoming a dermatologist myself, I learned that those patients were my favorite, where we really felt like kind of teaming up dermatology patients based, and most likely because they're wearing their condition on the outside, they tend to, in my experience, they tended to be more willing and um really interested in their own treatment dermatology.
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  SPEAKER_00: We felt like it felt like you know, you're teaming up, you're working together to get someone to their their um better place.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you said that because I I went on a podcast and I was talking about this kind of indirectly and why I loved, I'm not a dermatologist, but I I've always appreciated the field because of exactly what you said.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that is the idea that I feel like patients, when it comes to dermatology-related issues, like they really take charge, you know, of their health and they want to understand, you know, like why am I experiencing this and what's the actual solution?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I I feel like because we yeah, exactly what you said, we see it, you know, we see it actually on our bodies and can look at it and say, this is right, you know, something's wrong here.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that is so impactful, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, we're in a beauty industry that's like a trillion-dollar industry at this point, you know, it's it's huge, and it's really fueled by consumer desire to want to, you know, I guess make themselves better in some way, whether that's health or whether that's an aesthetic thing, whatever that is, like they want to better themselves.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's so powerful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very, you know, very powerful psychological side to dermatology, and that really resonated with me.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I wanna, I actually I really want to learn like where did the idea come for uh from?
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: With do you starting your own line?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you see a lot of patients with different concerns.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, when was that aha moment for you?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, I should start something, you know.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's a a trillion skincare lines it felt, and I didn't have any real desire to do this to begin with.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, never really imagined myself doing such years ago as I started out in practice.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: But over the years, I kept seeing the same skincare problems among so many of my patients day in, day out, and just felt like there wasn't the solution that I wanted to see in the market.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and even for myself.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted there to be clean beauty uh skincare products that were also well tolerated.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it turns out, you know, as a human species, we're much more sensitized to a lot of the clean beauty ingredients, things like botanicals, um, you know, plant-based ingredients, we just happen to be more sensitized to.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so day in, day out, I would see patients that were getting having skincare reactions to some of the clean beauty products or just being exposed to ingredients that just don't belong in our um skincare because they were not the clean beauty products.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and then more specifically, I actually was seeing skincare problems among patients.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so each product that I designed has these overall um tenets of everything is clean, hypoallergenic, generally made to be well tolerated and to solve problems without causing new ones.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then um each product is designed to solve a specific problem that I they see very frequently.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, our megadose moisturizer um was formulated to be a great answer so that patients could get good hydration without clogging pores.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then it also is um formulated with really great bioavailable antioxidants.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you get all of the great daily dose of antioxidants that we should all be using without um clogging pores or leading to problems.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know what's interesting about that to me is that we hear clean beauty like it's literally everywhere, you know, like it's to become a buzzword at this point.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I always find it to be kind of, I don't know, it's interesting because when I think of like doctor-founded brands, people want to say it's it falls under the other umbrella, you know, it's clinical beauty or it's clinical grade.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, well, why can't it be both?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why does it have to be?
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I think clean beauty's kind of gotten a bad rep over the years because people are missing they're conceived, you know, they're perceiving it to be this like non-regulated space, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: Of like exactly no thought behind it, it's just somebody in a kitchen whipping it up, you know, and that's yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So well, it's poorly defined, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So then we often go by, you know, Sephora is a place that so many of my patients shop.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: We ended up using, well, there's the when we formulated the products, everything was meant, was made to meet clean at Sephora um guidelines or restrictions, but there's also many different so you know, there's no clean beauty definition, but there are groups or retailers that have defined their form of clean, and it is usually just you know a restricted, um specific restricted ingredients.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: And generally when I talk about clean beauty, the products that we formulated that are clean, they just avoid any of the harmful or the ingredients that we know to be harmful, meaning they know they are known to cause tumors or to be endocrine disrupting, and um of which there are so many ingredients that are in our personal care products and just really, of course, um absolutely deserve no um right to be there.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: But then um on top of, and so not only the ones that are known to be harmful, but also the ones that are questionably um, you know, known to be harmful.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: So even if there is um all the ingredients in our products are non-toxic and they aren't they don't include any of the even questionably um harmful ingredients because it's so important to me that the products that we put on our skin that are, you know, very likely getting into our bodies are things that deserve a place there and we know them to be safe.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just sad that I mean, truly, it should be the industry standard.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I hope that one day there is no clean beauty criteria, there's no clean beauty category.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that all personal care products meet the criteria that they should be meeting to um take care of you know consumers and patients everywhere.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think that I and that's so those are wonderful points actually that you made because I think with clean ingredients, especially it's very confusing because um at the end of the day, there's a lot of things to consider, right?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think you brought these up earlier on where it's like, you know, you have to consider some things like, for example, allergic reactions, you know, being sensitized, you know, and uh what your skin's actually going to react to in a negative way because maybe you're using something that hasn't really been, you know, kept like refined from a chemistry standpoint, you know, to be used topically.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of questions there.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of that, in my opinion, leads to this like kind of muddying of the water when it comes to clean beauty, you know, because at the end of the day, it's not I have no problem with you know, anyone saying this is clean beauty, but I have a problem when it there's no science there to prove why, you know, and yeah, sure, yeah.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: But I I really like your approach and I want to get honestly your insight into this because I think you know, being a dermatologist, seeing so many cases, uh, you have figured out, you know, this is what your skin needs and this is what it doesn't need.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I know every case is different, but I really would love for you to speak to the value of using tried, true, and well-tested ingredients, you know, because I see that you've used them in your products.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what were some of the things that stood out for you, you know, in that formulation?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, our our skincare is non-compromising.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's clean, it's hypoallergenic, and then it's it also works.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's the most important thing.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as a physician, first and foremost, if I was gonna put my time into solving these problems, they really needed to work.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of gimmicky skincare out there, and um, you know, that's nothing I was gonna put my um my name behind or or you know, deliver to patients.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: So some of the best ingredients that we have available to work from and to make cosmetic, you know, skincare out of, is they are not prescription.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so they they they can be in our retail stores.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Things like, you know, salicylic acid for one.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: We were just talking about, you know, the pore therapy daily toner pads that we have, which are so great.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Salicylic acid is a fabulous ingredient.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's a hydroxy acid, it's the beta hydroxy acid, and because of its molecular size, it's the only hydroxy acid that actually gets into the pores, goes deep into them, and is able to clean out a lot of the debris that promotes acne and is and clogs pores.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: But salicylic acid, everything has, you know, there's the great ingredients and then there's using them the right way, meaning formulating them well, using them in the right concentrations so that they are effective and not causing problems.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, hydroxy acids are well known to cause irritation if um, you know, if overused or misused.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: So in the case of salicylic acid, I formulated the the pads to be a lower concentration than you'll find on the market so that you get all the great benefits of salicylic acid in terms of exfoliating the skin, smoothing the skin, minimizing the appearance of pores, preventing breakouts, and then really just improving the texture overall without the side effects that are so common from these type of ingredient, you know, peeling, breaking down your skin barrier, causing irritation and redness.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so that's just one example of a tried and true ingredient that has to be used the right way to get all the benefits and to reduce the potential for side effects.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like dosing, basically.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's like the big thing then.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love that.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you mentioned that because honestly, one that was one of the biggest questions I had when I started this podcast.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: No joke, like my biggest question was where's the dosing?
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like for any of these products, because it was like, I don't even know.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't want to put a high concentration of any acid on my skin.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's ever necessary.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that you brought that up because I love these uh pads, by the way.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is a phenomenal product.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: For anyone, right?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're great.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're absolutely whether you have acne or not.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't really deal with acne anymore as an adult, but I used to as a teenager.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of us did, but for me, the problem is usually if I don't take care of my skin, I will break out.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like it's still there, you know, the potential of me having breakouts.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: But these pads are really great for I think maintenance as well.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, even if you don't have an active breakout, you want a great toner pad.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: These are it, these are really, really great.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: So um well, and it's it's interesting.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: You say that that so many of my patients and you know, in um uh in New York City, a big group of my patients are in this sort of 20 to 40 year old range.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: And even those who don't have true acne are acne prone to us to a level where if you use the wrong products, you'll break out.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, or if you, you know, you can go on and on about that.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I saw that so often in my practice, I wanted to make sure that there were great products that patients could choose to use so they weren't having the problem.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes acne treatment, when someone comes to me with acne and saying, gosh, I'm breaking out for the first time, what's going on?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we would go through all their skincare products, which I do with every new patient, and it's like, well, you're you're doing just fine.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Your skin probably at baseline is not so acne prone.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: But when you're adding these heavy, rich moisturizers and putting oils on your skin or using that, you know, makeup balm, um, all the different things, the vitamin C serum that has vitamin E, which is tocopherol and is highly comatogenic, then you're pushing yourself over that little, you know, ledge into the acne breakout zone.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: So very important to make sure that you are using the right skincare products for your skin.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's hard to find that information because um, you know, that's not how they unfortunately, when you're looking, shopping for products, that they're not the information is not so helpful in terms of keep guiding you in the right direction.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: So great to have a dermatologist help you make those decisions.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's why I'm so glad you have your online because I I think that that more derms need to really, you know, have a voice in the actual market.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's one thing that like I know I can come to you and and see you in your office and you know, get your advice and and your medical opinion about my conditions, but I mean at the end of the day, you want to know that your dermatologist is able to, you know, like able to put something out there that you can use.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they because you guys understand skin, there's not anything like a dermatologist when it comes to truly getting an opinion on your skin health.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't reiterate that enough because I feel like right now we're in an industry where social media has taken over.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I no shade to anybody, like truly.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: I value science on every level, but at the end of the day, the medical professionals like I just feel like the voices kind of get lost in all of the clutter out here, you know, because there's everybody's got an opinion these days about skin health and what it is and what's the best thing to do.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, I have been in that pool of consumers where I'll buy into the hype, you know, and I'll buy a product and it'll be similar to something like we were talking discussing the toner pads.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be something similar.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I end up with red redness or irritation, or I'm and I'm looking at that product, like, well, what went wrong here?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's really it comes down to dosing, comes down to the science, like you have to understand so many different you know, principles to really come up with a product that works for the long run.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I you know, I want to actually I want to take it a little further because I think that, you know, with skincare nowadays, people get confused about what they need, you know.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: So if you were to like kind of, I guess, give advice to someone that has I I don't know what average skin is, you know, but um, I guess baseline level.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's no like, you know, apparent pathologies there, you know, they have, I guess, normal skin, but they want to take care of it routinely, right?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: So that they don't get the breakouts, they don't get the irritation.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: What would you recommend?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Is some, you know, as a baseline routine.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: So generally speaking, what be I get asked this all the time, what are the essential skincare products, right?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: In the morning, you want to um, not everybody needs to wash their face.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: When you wake up in the morning, how does your skin feel?
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: If it feels a little bit dry, skip a wash, maybe do a splash of water or a little micellar water wipe.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you wake up and your skin feels a little oily, you use a cleanse.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: So then after that step, you want to just um for for those who don't need an additional product or treatment, you just want to make sure you're moisturizing, you're using a topical antioxidant that'll help to prevent free radical damage in conjunction with a great sunscreen.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: So those are your simple steps in the morning.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: And generally speaking, if you're you know in this range of you know, teens through um basically um up to menopause, most of us have have skin that will be prone to acne if you don't have if you don't have full acne, prone to acne if you're using the wrong product.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: So look for things that are non-comatogenic.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: And you can actually go online now.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's these like non-comatogenic, you know, calculators or what have you, where you can actually um in input the ingredients in a product, just you know, it's required that ingredient lists are include all the ingredients that are in your product so you have access to that information, pop it in and make sure that the things that you're putting on your skin are non-comatogenic when possible.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, those who have really dry skin, this doesn't necessarily apply, but those sort of criteria are good little guidelines to try.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end of the day, everyone should be washing their skin, get all that sunscreen off.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: If you're using makeup or the products you want to start, you know, sort of um take the day off.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: The first thing to go on to your skin, if you're not pregnant or breastfeeding, most people can tolerate a retinal or even a prescription retinoid.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: We know that this is one of the best things you can put on your skin to help um prevent skin aging and to boost collagen and elastin production in addition to all the many other skin benefits that the vitamin A derivatives can afford.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then moisturize.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's basically it.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: That you know, in a nutshell, you can have a very, very simple skin care routine that's super effective and does all the things that we want it to and keep in terms of keeping skin clear and preventing signs of aging down the road.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like you touched on, you know, everybody's skin is different, you know, everyone has their own independent skin, and we are subject to climate differences or, you know, um weather changes anytime in a given year.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um we also have, you know, monthly cycles will change your skin, all these different um variables that play a role.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so it can be very frustrating to find a skincare routine that really does work for you.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: But um that's where I always say like talk to your dermatologist, make sure when you see a dermatologist and you're establishing care, that they're not only asking about any medications you take, they're also and allergies, you know, that just goes across the board, but they're also asking about every skincare product that you use so that um you're really, you know, teaming up to make the best, most educated um decisions to get your skin where you want it and to prevent, you know, the problems that can come.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm really curious though about the because your your products are hypoallergenic, and I've always been very curious about this word because um you know, what can you talk to us a little bit about the importance of using hypoallergenic skincare?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: So many people have sensitive skin, and more and more so over time as time goes on, and I think that's due to certain ingredients that are in our products.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's a whole nother chat I could get into, but um, hypoallergenic just means a you know, low made to be less likely to induce allergens or and allergic reactions.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: I see hypersensitivity reactions every single day in practice.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: And we know that there are many, many allergens that we come into contact with, whether, you know, there's the skin allergens, these cause delayed hypersensitivity reactions, things like ingredients that are in cosmetics or in laundry detergents, all the personal care products that we use, also things like metals and um, you know, I could go on and on, all sorts of ingredients that are used in rubber processing and leather manufacturing.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so it can be, we can be sensitized to things that it's actually a true allergy.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Then there's something called an irritant dermatitis, where we talk about different skincare products that can cause irritation, like the hydroxy acids and so forth.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm going off on a tangent here, but so generally speaking, hypoallergenic products will be least likely to induce allergic reactions.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you're designing a skincare line, in the case of when I was, I wanted it to be, I wanted there to be products out in the world that would be lowest at risk for causing the adverse effects.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: So by picking hypoallergenic products, you're designing things that will be good for the most sensitive skin in addition to all skin types.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so all of our products um undergo extensive sensitivity testing.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: We do clinical tests to make sure, and these go on and on for months and months to make sure that we're really checking both sensitive skin types and those with, you know, an average um level of sensitivity to make sure that they will be across the board least likely to elicit those allergic reactions.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like people are becoming more sensitized now more than ever, because I mean, um, obviously there's like a huge, you know, there's a huge change now and shift in terms of people becoming, I think, more aware of their skin health, wanting to take things into their own hands.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: So just in your practice, have you noticed that there's more sensitivities now than before?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, have you noticed any kind of shift?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: I really do think so.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, there's one ingredient, niacinamide, that over the last few years has be grew really grown in popularity.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost hard to find products that do not contain niacinamide nowadays.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Days.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Niacin made is a great ingredient.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's a B vitamin.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: We know that it has many skin renewing properties.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: It is, you know, it when originally started to show up in more and more skincare products years ago, it was touted as this like all, you know, universal, incredible ingredient because it does so many things that are growing, so it has so many skin benefits.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: However, I personally find that there are many that cannot tolerate niacinamide.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: And um we sort of have kind of figured this out by trial and error over a period of time.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: So that's just one example of a reason why it's but you know, certain ingredients may be more likely to cause irritation in patients and we don't even realize it.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: But absolutely, since I started practice, you know, 10 years ago, I see more and more um sensitivity to products than I used to.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I would have to say anecdotally that I suspect that we are seeing increased um sensitivity for what for one reason or another.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that I'm just I'm I'm glad that you know you you kind of cleared it up for me because I I thought I was imagining things, you know.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like there I just see more people asking for, you know, is this good for sensitive skin?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, is this good for like really reactive skin types?
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I just growing up, I didn't see that a lot, you know, in terms of requests.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean, it makes sense though.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of products out there, so yeah, interesting.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I hope that people choose wisely.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I always uh urge our listeners, you know, if you guys are tuning in right now, you know, make sure you guys are choosing wisely in terms of what you actually need versus just cluttering your cabinets, you know, with extra products.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that's so important, especially absolutely, because the more products you're exposed to, each, you know, there's additional increased risk for having a reaction.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you do want to have, you know, this sort of this skin skin minimalism um push is such a good thing where you're using the products that you need and not overdoing it with all of the excess things.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, these 10-step skincare routines are are really quite unnecessary and they just set you up potentially for um negative, you know, effects.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Now, with skincare junkie, I mean, are you gonna what are the plans for the future?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what's next for the brand?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna keep it a tight line?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: A few products that are all ready to go.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I actually personally use them and they're they're out in the world with some testers who really love them.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're just going to be launching, hopefully, January will be the next um product coming out.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: But we've got, I don't know how much I'm allowed to tease.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: We have this incredible hydration plumping serum that is like nothing else.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have another hyperpigmentation product that is a liquid form, really fabulous for acne-prone skin.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's super non-comatogenic.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um we're working on finalizing packaging and that sort of thing.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we are also, oh gosh, I'm probably gonna, well, we have a men's line coming as well.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: So really cool things coming that I'm very excited about.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's so great.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's very exciting.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's really cool.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that you're going into the, you know, you're venturing into the men's space of skincare.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: We need that.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that's really well, you know what's so funny.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: The um we have so many consumers that are who's whose like male loved ones, whether it's their spouse, their, you know, their their father, their boy, started using their products and grabbing them and really loving them.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it sort of fell into this place of I guess we must serve the that's really cool.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad to hear that.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's wonderful.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I urge all of our male listeners, you know, stay tuned for that.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: That I'm sure it's a great line.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much, Doc.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's been such an honor hosting you and learning from you today.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this was great.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Such a treat.
• 25:54
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