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Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, November 23 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It is Monday, November. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Happy Hour is brought to you by Jet Home Loans
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Speaker 1: and now a guy who believes turkeys are grown on
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Speaker 1: a pole tree. J P. Sorry, you're stretching a little
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Speaker 1: bit today, Joe, Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour on this Monday,
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Speaker 1: the day after the loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. It
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Speaker 1: is Thanksgiving week. We have a lot to be thankful for.
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Speaker 1: My name's j P. Shadrick, Pete Frisco, Tony Boselli coming up.
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Speaker 1: We've got a busy program. The Steelers Jaguars review. We'll
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Speaker 1: see what went wrong. Not a lot went right, especially
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Speaker 1: for Jake Luton. He struggled for interceptions against the Steelers
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Speaker 1: defense yesterday. We'll break all that down, the Jaguars defense
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Speaker 1: walking wounded. We'll go around the FC South. We'll get
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Speaker 1: to the social media questions, which there were many today,
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Speaker 1: and the not so powerful draft order rankings, which has
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Speaker 1: become unfortunately a staple on the show. And we'll go
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Speaker 1: around the National Football League. Let's start with yesterday's game
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Speaker 1: of Jack's Baul three to the Steelers, the ninth consecutive
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Speaker 1: loss tied for the longest losing streak in a single
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Speaker 1: season in franchise history. The only other time they did
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Speaker 1: that was Head coach Doug Marone not worried about himself.
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Speaker 1: He's worried about the players and coaches. At the end
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Speaker 1: of day, I'm gonna have to look in the mirror
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Speaker 1: and say, Okay, you know, have I done everything I
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Speaker 1: possibly can? You know, if I if I have exhausted
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Speaker 1: every avenue, have I you know, motivated to the best
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Speaker 1: of my ability, if I kept everything together. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not gonna say that's that that that's a win. That's
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Speaker 1: part of my job, that's my responsibility. And that's when
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Speaker 1: I take, um a lot of pride in and I
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Speaker 1: haven't been always been able to do that. And you
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Speaker 1: guys know about the past, so I haven't been able
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Speaker 1: to keep that you know, thing together at times. But um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I feel I feel like I owe these
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Speaker 1: guys everything that I have. That's just how I feel.
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Speaker 1: Head coach Doug Marone. It's a struggle right now. Pete Prisco,
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Speaker 1: Tony Baselli joining us on the program and to three
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Speaker 1: now nine in a row. Guys, what's up, Pete, Tony?
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Speaker 1: I breaking news real quick. Just breaking news. We just
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Speaker 1: we can actually change a segment on the show. I
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Speaker 1: have the Jaguars now lasting the power ranking after they
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Speaker 1: were third last week, so they down again. They're officially
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Speaker 1: where do you happen in the league? That's the question one.
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Speaker 1: But then you got your fingers crossed in their thirty
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Speaker 1: second by the time the wait, by the time of
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Speaker 1: the season, it's not pretty JP. And you know every
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Speaker 1: Monday we get on here and we say, oh, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna say the same old things again. Well, the reality
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Speaker 1: is that's what happens when your team is bad. The
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Speaker 1: question is is this the worst team in the history
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Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville Jaguars, And the answer to that question
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Speaker 1: is definitely yes. Well, here's an interesting stad pete. I
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Speaker 1: guess I hate to say back that up. During this year,
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Speaker 1: the average in the nine game losing streak UM JP
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Speaker 1: mentioned that the last one was in that was year
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Speaker 1: Gus Bradley got fired. The marginal defeat for this team
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Speaker 1: is I think fifteen and a half points. The marginal
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Speaker 1: defeat for that team was eight point three points, and
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Speaker 1: so a whole time they're getting beat by a whole
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Speaker 1: touchdown more UM then the last time this franchise had
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Speaker 1: a nine game losing streak. It's the worst team. There's
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Speaker 1: no way to sugarcoat it. It's by far the worst team.
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Speaker 1: And they're gonna be changes coming, And the question becomes
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Speaker 1: when do they come? Is there any reason at all
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Speaker 1: to make those changes right now? I don't. Thanks, thanks
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Speaker 1: be rough this week, right, I mean, come on, I mean,
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Speaker 1: here's my problem with that, is it's a good it's
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Speaker 1: a good question. I'm not going to answer it because
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Speaker 1: I'm not it's not my responsibility to fire people or
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Speaker 1: hire people, and I don't like firing people on the radio.
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Speaker 1: And I've gotten I've gotten on other people who have
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Speaker 1: fired people on the radio. Yeah, especially because it was
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Speaker 1: a little premature. Um. With that said, I think it's
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Speaker 1: a fair question because is there is there any doubt
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Speaker 1: that it's it's going to happen. No, I don't think
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Speaker 1: there's any doubt. I don't know how shot On can
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Speaker 1: look the fan base and the media and the National
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Speaker 1: Football League in the face and say we're gonna bring
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Speaker 1: everybody back. I don't see how you can do that. So,
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Speaker 1: but then the question becomes, if you wait until the
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Speaker 1: end of the season, is that a disadvantage or are
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Speaker 1: you hurting your franchise by doing that? We saw the
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Speaker 1: Falcons clean house, and does that help them at all?
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Speaker 1: Are they they already used these stories, They already have
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Speaker 1: some candidates in mind. But don't you already know who
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Speaker 1: the candidates are? I think the only thing that again
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Speaker 1: if based on what you said, so it's assuming you're
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Speaker 1: correct that everyone's getting, you know, cleaned out. I think
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Speaker 1: the only thing I'm doing it sooner than later. Not
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Speaker 1: on the coaching side, but if you're gonna clean house
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Speaker 1: on the personnel on the GM side as well, getting
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Speaker 1: that GM in place first so that that individual's ability
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Speaker 1: to go hire the head coach that he wants and
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Speaker 1: we know how to and we know how that works
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Speaker 1: right after if you fire a guy on on Monday
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Speaker 1: or after the season's over, you usually want that GM
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Speaker 1: hired within the week to get your coaching search going
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Speaker 1: right away. That's right, because coaching search, and by the way,
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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta start working, you know, figure out
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Speaker 1: what you're doing in the draft, free agency, Senior Bowls
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, you know, only a couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks away. You know what's that gonna look like? In
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Speaker 1: this COVID world, we don't even know. But there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of work to be done. Um, not just hiring
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Speaker 1: the coach, but also getting ready for the next year.
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Speaker 1: If you're that personnel person, if you're the gym, yes, so,
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, those guys are smart. They've been around
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Speaker 1: the NFL a long time. They have to see the
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Speaker 1: handwriting on the wall. They have to know what's coming,
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Speaker 1: and I think they do. And it's like you said, Tony,
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Speaker 1: it's never fun to fire people, but you're hired in
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Speaker 1: that business to be fired. That's just the reality of it.
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Speaker 1: It's terrible, but that's the reality of it. Come on,
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Speaker 1: that's that's you. Name me a coach that doesn't get
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Speaker 1: fired rare, very rare. Well, it is rare, but it
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Speaker 1: still doesn't make it easy, especially around the holidays. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about it right now. I'm not I love. I'd
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Speaker 1: love to sit here and say, look, I respect all
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Speaker 1: the people that I've ever encountered inside that building from
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Speaker 1: a working standpoint, and Doug Morone Dave called all of them.
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Speaker 1: I know them all. I've come to like them and
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Speaker 1: respect them. But they're not dumbies. They know they know
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Speaker 1: what this league. Is it's the results oriented league. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's not. It's just not. It is a result in
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Speaker 1: your league, and you're gonna you know, you have You've
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Speaker 1: lost nine games in a row and and a lot
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Speaker 1: of those games haven't been closed. In the bigger concern,
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Speaker 1: I think outside of like, okay, the positives are, you
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Speaker 1: have cap space, you have draft picks. But then you say, okay,
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Speaker 1: we have to make sure we use that cap space
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Speaker 1: in those draft picks wisely. Okay, what give you the
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Speaker 1: confidence that's gonna happen. Well, then you just have to
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Speaker 1: revert right back to the current roster. Is this a
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Speaker 1: good current roster? No? Okay, in the in the in
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Speaker 1: the job of the individuals led by really Dave's job
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Speaker 1: was to build this roster. And we sit here right
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Speaker 1: now with the youngest team in the NFL and not
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Speaker 1: overly talented, and at one and nine. That doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: there's not some good pieces right and there, of course,
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Speaker 1: But then the next guy who doesn't, if Dave does
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Speaker 1: get fired, the next guy who comes in is going
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Speaker 1: to have some young players that he can kind of
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Speaker 1: build around a little bit. The problem is now it's
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Speaker 1: starting to trickle up and you're starting to hear criticism
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Speaker 1: of the ownership group, and so that's when it becomes
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Speaker 1: yes and yesterday, what first I saw it was a
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Speaker 1: tweet this second fastest to a hundred losses in the
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Speaker 1: NFL as an owner? Is that right? Correct? If you
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Speaker 1: count the playoff loss? Yes, So that's when now if
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Speaker 1: you're Shot Khan and you're Tony Khn and you start
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Speaker 1: seeing that kind of criticism, now it's bleeding up to you.
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Speaker 1: It's gone from this to this and now it's up
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Speaker 1: to you. So now you're sitting in a situation where
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be faced with hearing endless stream of criticism.
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Speaker 1: But don't you think that started in JP? I love
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Speaker 1: your perspective because you fault Twitter and you're having good
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Speaker 1: handle the fans better than anybody. But I think that
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Speaker 1: started the last offseason, Pete, when there wasn't a change
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Speaker 1: made last year. I think that's a good thing to start. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it is. Um. They took a lot of
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Speaker 1: criticism for that to keeping its status quo. But but now,
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Speaker 1: just but JP, don't you agree judgment by Twitter and
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Speaker 1: social media and everything, now that it's it's elevated to
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Speaker 1: a newer level above them too. From you know here
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Speaker 1: it's just moron Paul. Well, now it's gotten up to
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Speaker 1: the to the con I think whether that's right or
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Speaker 1: whether that's right. I mean, ultimately, you're the owner of
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Speaker 1: the team. You're responsible for that. You hire and fire
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Speaker 1: who you want. Well, I think that the hard part
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Speaker 1: is right now, is it's not just a another losing season,
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Speaker 1: another season of you know, double digit losses. There's not
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Speaker 1: a lot of hope in the fan base. I mean,
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Speaker 1: and that's where you really start getting worried. I mean, one,
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Speaker 1: you look at the crowd yesterday was Steeler fans um two.
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Speaker 1: I mean you listen. I mean I hear it from
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Speaker 1: people that I'm friends woul, playing golf with and hang
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Speaker 1: out in the community with. You hear it on talk radio,
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Speaker 1: You hear it on Twitter, you know, you hear it everywhere.
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Speaker 1: There's not even hope. It's not like the hope is
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Speaker 1: like hopefully, you know, changes are made and we get
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Speaker 1: Trevor Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. That's all anyone has
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Speaker 1: to hang on to you right now. It's not like
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Speaker 1: they say, man, we're hopeful because of the team we
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Speaker 1: have and we we see a pathway to get there,
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Speaker 1: to be good. And that's where you start getting really
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Speaker 1: concerned because it's about all the entire organization at that point.
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Speaker 1: And and to me, like, if that's the hope one
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Speaker 1: is and one guy, then is that a sense of
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Speaker 1: false hope? And you need a lot more than that.
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Speaker 1: That's a that's a nice piece, that's a big piece,
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Speaker 1: But it's not like you're gonna win next year. You
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Speaker 1: get a franchise quarterback, it cures your ills? Well, yes
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Speaker 1: and no. There's a franchise quarterback in Cincinnati named Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow that everyone felt good until his knee went sideways
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Speaker 1: because they couldn't protect him and he got he finally
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Speaker 1: the abuse that he got all year caught up injury.
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Speaker 1: Could happen any any quarterback in the league. Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: exhibit one. You're right, it can. It's a dangerous game.
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Speaker 1: Even if you have the best offensive line. Guys can't
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Speaker 1: get hurt, no doubt about it. I'm not putting it
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Speaker 1: on just that. I'll give you exhibit too. There's this
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Speaker 1: guy called Andrew Luck who should be at the prime
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Speaker 1: of his career right now, but because for five years,
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Speaker 1: got the hell beat out of him, decided he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to play football anymore. And so it's not just
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Speaker 1: it somebo see and I'm gonna I'm gonna flip on
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Speaker 1: the other side of that one too. That speaks more
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Speaker 1: about him than it does about I'm not saying. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but my point is this. Here's my point, and I
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Speaker 1: think you agree with me on this. If you want
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Speaker 1: to have real hope, in my opinion, it starts with
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. What you just said, no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: You and I are a line. You have to have
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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback to consistently win in this league. It's
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Speaker 1: just the way it is, the way the game is
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Speaker 1: designed now more than ever because of the rules and
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Speaker 1: everything else. So we're agreement there, But I'll say this,
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Speaker 1: you better have a quarterback, and after that, you better
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Speaker 1: have somebody or multiple people who can affect the quarterback,
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Speaker 1: meaning a defensive front, and you better have a bunch
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Speaker 1: of dudes who can protect the quarterback. If you don't
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Speaker 1: have the foundation of big people on both lines who
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Speaker 1: can get after the quarterback and protect the quarterback and
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Speaker 1: that quarterback, it is really hard to win in this league. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's let's let's been it forward. This team somehow had
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and the same offensive line and the same
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Speaker 1: skilled people, and James Robinson is a running back, as
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Speaker 1: is Is that a good offense? It's it's pretty good. Well,
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Speaker 1: there there's your answer to your question. That line is
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Speaker 1: a great Tony, that line is not great. Nobody, you're right,
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Speaker 1: but you're still not. I don't think you have a
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Speaker 1: winning record right now because you can't affect the quarterback.
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Speaker 1: You have nine cents. That's the other side. You've also
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Speaker 1: used a lot of draft capital on the other side
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Speaker 1: of the ball to which is a problems issue. But
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Speaker 1: that you get the guy and then the rest of
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Speaker 1: the stuff all fills in after it. You have to
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Speaker 1: get the guys first. Care to hold it? No, I
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Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, but you can't build it and hope,
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Speaker 1: like heck, you get the quarterback. You have to build
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Speaker 1: it around the quarterback. I said it last year. I've
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Speaker 1: said it multiple times and again nothing gets Gardner Minshew.
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Speaker 1: I said it on this show. We talked about it.
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Speaker 1: I said on other shows people I would have drafted
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Speaker 1: a quarterback and gone after a quarterback this year because
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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. Gardner Minshew is the franchise quarterback and
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Speaker 1: until you have that guy, you have to be chasing
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Speaker 1: to get that guy. And this goes back to this
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Speaker 1: take away. There are two draft picks d J. Anderson
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Speaker 1: and Chase on and if you traded up to get Herbert,
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Speaker 1: the franchise would be in fifty thousand times better shape
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Speaker 1: than it is right now. There would be like you
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Speaker 1: just said before, that's my point. In Los Angeles for
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Speaker 1: the Chargers, they have a bunch of issues. They don't
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Speaker 1: know how to win games, that can't close out games
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Speaker 1: and everything else. There might be a there might be
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Speaker 1: a head coaching change there as well. This year. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's probably a coin flip right now. But you know what,
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Speaker 1: the ten Charger fans that are actually in l A
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Speaker 1: they have bigger issues that I'm mean fans, But the
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Speaker 1: ten that are in they are hopeful because they watched
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Speaker 1: that guy sot for three fifty every week and stand
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Speaker 1: in the pocket and make plays on schedule and off schedule,
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Speaker 1: and they're like, you know what, we got our guys.
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Speaker 1: We might need to get a coach. We might need
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Speaker 1: to If we don't change a coach, we might have
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Speaker 1: to figure out how to stay healthy. There's other issues,
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Speaker 1: but they have the guy to Selly just made a
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Speaker 1: fans crack about another team top of top to cattle
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Speaker 1: can't do that. How many years of the Jaguar fans
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Speaker 1: taking a beating and people don't understand that there's actually
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Speaker 1: a big type fan base to just tirable losing. Is
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Speaker 1: there a big fan There was a there was a
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Speaker 1: good fan base in San Diego. I'm not saying the
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Speaker 1: old time Charger fans good fan you're telling me there's
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Speaker 1: a really a fan base in l A for the Charger.
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Speaker 1: In Jacksonville, there's a fan base, That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: But they're not going to the games. I know. But
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Speaker 1: guess what since the Chargers moved there. Usually when the
15:56
Speaker 1: team moves to a new city for the first year,
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Speaker 1: like people can't wait to go. The first year they
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Speaker 1: were there, they couldn't sell in the stadium. Pete, the
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Speaker 1: Chargers have been there before and played Remember, way back
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Speaker 1: in a day they were the Los Angeles Chargers at well, boy,
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Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. Yes, But but Tony,
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Speaker 1: don't come on. You've been defending that in Jacksonville for
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Speaker 1: years and year because we have a good because there's
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Speaker 1: fans here right now. There isn't not right now, there
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Speaker 1: isn't no, there's fans here. They are tired of it,
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Speaker 1: though they're mad, even worse than mad. I wish they
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Speaker 1: were really mad. I fear that the start of apathy
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Speaker 1: is coming in. So are there chants like yesterday? Are
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Speaker 1: there chance or people? Two nights? Are they? Are they
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Speaker 1: getting mad? Are they angry? You couldn't there was more
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Speaker 1: Steeler fans, Pete, I'm not making this up. JP was
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Speaker 1: there when I say, I mean, maybe that's a little
16:51
Speaker 1: bit of an exaggeration, but it was a lot of
16:54
Speaker 1: towels being slung around yesterday. I'll say that, let's come
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Speaker 1: back plenty ahead, will I get into the office performance
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Speaker 1: and what's next at the quarterback position? This year? We
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Speaker 1: won't go in the next year. We will later in
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Speaker 1: the show, but not this coming segment, we'll discuss Luton's
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Speaker 1: day yesterday and the decisions possibly ahead the final six
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Speaker 1: weeks of the season. Second hour of the show will
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Speaker 1: Hour a Monday afternoon. That's Jake Luton, the Jaguars quarterback
21:39
Speaker 1: after seven three loss to the Steelers in week eleven,
21:43
Speaker 1: nine straight losses. Now for the Jags j P, Shadrick,
21:46
Speaker 1: Pete Frisco and Tony Vasselli grad you're along with us
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Speaker 1: today and that brings us to the offensive discussion yesterday.
21:54
Speaker 1: Jake Luton sixteen of thirty seven passing one yards, no touchdown,
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Speaker 1: four interceptions, a fifteen point five rating. Those are the
22:04
Speaker 1: stats in the game, and you know it. Once they
22:10
Speaker 1: got behind by a couple of scores and the running
22:13
Speaker 1: game was pretty much out the window. We talked about
22:16
Speaker 1: a pregame Tony that you kind an idea of what
22:19
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense could do and and Luton just didn't
22:23
Speaker 1: really have it later in the game, and Doug Maron
22:25
Speaker 1: actually said after the game he was thinking about bringing
22:28
Speaker 1: in Mike Lennan didn't pull the trigger on that. Um,
22:31
Speaker 1: how does Luton bounce back from a day like this? Well,
22:35
Speaker 1: let me start by saying, I appreciate his protecting the
22:38
Speaker 1: offensive line, but I thought that especially as the game
22:40
Speaker 1: went on again, I thought the tackle struggle at times, UM,
22:44
Speaker 1: and I think he was the right tackle really struggle.
22:46
Speaker 1: It looked like from the TV. Well, I think both
22:48
Speaker 1: did it. I mean, UM, I don't think it was
22:52
Speaker 1: a great day. UM. Now, it didn't mean they were
22:55
Speaker 1: getting beat every play or anything like that. Um, But
22:58
Speaker 1: there was too much pressure. And I I mean, I
23:00
Speaker 1: us have higher expectations of both Cam and Jawan, So
23:02
Speaker 1: I appreciate. But but you said that going in last week.
23:05
Speaker 1: Remember you said that those tackles had problems last week
23:08
Speaker 1: against Green Bay, and if they had problems against green Bay,
23:10
Speaker 1: they're gonna have problems this week as well. Yeah, I
23:12
Speaker 1: was worried about it. I mean, those are two compass
23:14
Speaker 1: rushers they have there and then and um. But with
23:18
Speaker 1: that said, it wasn't always on the offensive line. I
23:21
Speaker 1: think Luten missed some things. I think he missed some
23:23
Speaker 1: opportunities down the field, and he was widely inaccurate for
23:27
Speaker 1: the most part of the game. And he just ye
23:29
Speaker 1: give him credit. You think he wasn't like he was panicked.
23:32
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was jumping in the pocket even
23:34
Speaker 1: when he the pocket was closing down and there was
23:37
Speaker 1: traffic and everything like that. But he just really inaccurate. Man,
23:39
Speaker 1: the ball was sailing on him row two weeks in
23:42
Speaker 1: a row. I kind of blamed the wind last week
23:45
Speaker 1: when they played Green Bay, but there was no wind
23:49
Speaker 1: yesterday and the ball was all over the place. Yeah,
23:52
Speaker 1: I thought just watching and I went back and rewatched
23:55
Speaker 1: it today on just a regular TV and it just
23:59
Speaker 1: it was high way too many times. But like, okay,
24:03
Speaker 1: give me one Connoy in the middle of the field
24:05
Speaker 1: at a high ball. You should have pulled that one in. Um,
24:09
Speaker 1: did you a great remember? Oh yes, I mean in
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Speaker 1: the hand the interception that he was that was tipped
24:15
Speaker 1: at the goal line. It could have made it ten ten.
24:18
Speaker 1: I don't even know where you're throwing the ball he
24:19
Speaker 1: was throwing it. It It looks like you started the effort
24:21
Speaker 1: and he was covered. Yeah, he has nobody to go
24:25
Speaker 1: to there. It just it was not a good performance
24:28
Speaker 1: by Luton. But again, is it a performance. The numbers
24:34
Speaker 1: are far worse than the performance. Let's put it that way.
24:36
Speaker 1: Don't you think the typical line of scrimmage the one
24:42
Speaker 1: he was so in He was so inaccurate. I mean
24:46
Speaker 1: even the start of the game, like some of the
24:49
Speaker 1: catches guys had to make were like acrobatic catches to
24:51
Speaker 1: go up high, and everything was sailing on him, and
24:54
Speaker 1: everything's a fastball. There's no change of me. It's just
24:57
Speaker 1: like coming out of there hundred and it's offline. And
25:00
Speaker 1: so yeah, no, I don't think I think I put
25:02
Speaker 1: it on him. I think it was on him. I
25:03
Speaker 1: don't think the numbers were good and I don't think
25:05
Speaker 1: the performance was good. And there was one that James
25:06
Speaker 1: Robinson had to catch on the far sideline out on
25:09
Speaker 1: the left. It was a great catch, but it wasn't
25:12
Speaker 1: close to anchor. So what do you do? Oh, gosh.
25:18
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say this. Doug Moron today said that
25:22
Speaker 1: he needs to see Gardner mins you throw a little bit,
25:25
Speaker 1: he said, The athletic training staff said he's a percent,
25:28
Speaker 1: but they need to see more throwing and see the
25:30
Speaker 1: coaching staff see him on the practice field to see
25:32
Speaker 1: how Gardner is and then get everybody you know before that,
25:35
Speaker 1: get everybody around today and figure out how Jake's doing
25:39
Speaker 1: above the shoulders, how Gardner's hand is doing, how Glennon is,
25:43
Speaker 1: and then make a decision after that. So he wasn't
25:46
Speaker 1: ready to make a move today, Yeah, I mean I
25:50
Speaker 1: was ready to play. You think he's going back to him? Yeah,
25:53
Speaker 1: I think I think so. I think so too. What
25:57
Speaker 1: would you do? I'll think back, probably go back there.
26:01
Speaker 1: Glennon is out of the equation for me. I'm not
26:03
Speaker 1: playing him. No, I'm not playing Glennon either. Quickly remember
26:06
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, it's like, oh, Luton is
26:08
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy all year. He might struggle a
26:10
Speaker 1: little bit, but he's got a big arm, he can
26:12
Speaker 1: throw it down the field and all this. But defensive
26:16
Speaker 1: face yesterday, I know. And here's the thing. I go
26:20
Speaker 1: back and forth because Gardner probably gives you more because
26:24
Speaker 1: of his athletic ability, extending plays and doing different things.
26:28
Speaker 1: Limited with his arm more accurate than uh way more
26:33
Speaker 1: much more accurate than Luton. But you're limited, I think,
26:39
Speaker 1: I mean at least like Luton's only he's a rookie.
26:41
Speaker 1: It's only three games, which aren't you like more interested
26:44
Speaker 1: to see what Luton can do. I probably would start
26:47
Speaker 1: looting again, but I think he's gonna go back to
26:49
Speaker 1: min Chick or you Fencho is healthy and you don't
26:54
Speaker 1: go to him. If you start looting in the ball,
26:56
Speaker 1: sailing all over the place in a quarter, then you
26:58
Speaker 1: go to Minshew that he's in the rest of the season.
27:01
Speaker 1: That's another possibility. Yeah, does it really matter? Almost It doesn't.
27:12
Speaker 1: This is where it matters. It doesn't matter to you.
27:14
Speaker 1: It doesn't the fans, I'm not even sure care at
27:16
Speaker 1: this point. It doesn't matter the guys on that team
27:18
Speaker 1: and Doug and so it Doug's responsibility. What he needs
27:21
Speaker 1: to do, honestly is and him and the staff. I
27:25
Speaker 1: have to make the decision. Whoever gives you the best
27:27
Speaker 1: chance to win. Well, what if that's Glennon, then you
27:31
Speaker 1: can go play Glennon what because here's here's the thing.
27:35
Speaker 1: What do they care about next year? They don't. So
27:39
Speaker 1: you're trying to win for your guys. You have right now,
27:42
Speaker 1: So go play Glennon if he's the best. If you
27:44
Speaker 1: think Glennon gives you the best chance to win and
27:45
Speaker 1: you'r Doug Morone, you play him. I agree with you.
27:49
Speaker 1: They might have already And and if Mike Glennon's your
27:52
Speaker 1: best chance to win, God blest you. On that note,
27:56
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28:01
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28:04
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Speaker 1: the second hour A day's flip it around to the
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Speaker 1: defense here, and you know, they were in the first
33:06
Speaker 1: half of the game. I felt like they were hanging
33:09
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Speaker 1: of slipped away towards the back end of the football
33:15
Speaker 1: game yesterday. Considering everything that was going on going into
33:18
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33:21
Speaker 1: Henderson's of course on injury reserve. And then Sydney Jones
33:24
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33:27
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33:30
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33:33
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33:38
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33:42
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33:46
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33:49
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33:51
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33:53
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34:03
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34:09
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34:11
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34:14
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34:17
Speaker 1: for a while as well. So they were banged up
34:20
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34:23
Speaker 1: and to the court. Okay, Well, Sydney Jones play next week.
34:27
Speaker 1: I mean look at the group of guys that are
34:29
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34:33
Speaker 1: I mean he had He looked like a guy who
34:37
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34:40
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34:42
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34:45
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34:50
Speaker 1: on defense, and which is interesting because they really didn't
34:53
Speaker 1: give up a ton of points. I mean, Hamilton's flashed
34:57
Speaker 1: at times. Again, I thought the new Tony, I mean
35:00
Speaker 1: it wasn't great, but it was. Yeah. I mean I
35:03
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35:05
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35:08
Speaker 1: so it can't be that good. But the offense had
35:10
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35:13
Speaker 1: Um and if you look at it, I thought that,
35:17
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35:20
Speaker 1: they did a good job against the run game that
35:23
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35:25
Speaker 1: very good at run blocking at all, and that that's
35:27
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna come bite them at some point.
35:30
Speaker 1: Um and I give Todd Washington and credit. I thought
35:33
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35:35
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35:37
Speaker 1: thought he thought he did a really good job and
35:39
Speaker 1: he competed and can confused Ben a couple of times.
35:41
Speaker 1: You should have to pick six with Jared Wilson broke
35:44
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35:47
Speaker 1: you know, the defense played fine. I mean, I mean
35:52
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good offense. It's an offense. It's
35:55
Speaker 1: some scorts and points. I got weapons, and I thought
35:56
Speaker 1: they hung in there. If you think about it, there
35:58
Speaker 1: without their two starting corner and then they're starting Nickel
36:01
Speaker 1: went down, and then their backup corner went down. I mean,
36:04
Speaker 1: pretty soon you're the corners across the board were Luke
36:08
Speaker 1: Barko undrafted free agent but not rookie for agent, had
36:12
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36:17
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36:20
Speaker 1: four snaps, that's correct. And then and then Trey Herndon
36:25
Speaker 1: that was your that was your starting and then by
36:27
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36:31
Speaker 1: Winger got out there who got beat for the touchdown. So,
36:35
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough. And then you and then you
36:38
Speaker 1: don't have any real pass rush in front of him.
36:42
Speaker 1: That's that's a problem. I give him credit for what
36:44
Speaker 1: they hung in there and did. Okay, of the guys
36:47
Speaker 1: who started on Sunday, how many will be starting in
36:51
Speaker 1: the same spot in two thousand and well, Josh Allen two? Four, Look,
37:02
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Hamilton's, Hamilton's, Hamilton's that's two, Showbert Miles Jack
37:09
Speaker 1: will start and and that's six maybe maybe maybe maybe
37:19
Speaker 1: how many definite Josh Allen three, Hamilton's, Miles Jack and
37:27
Speaker 1: Miles Jack, Hamilton's and Allen and Miles Jack going down.
37:33
Speaker 1: That's it. That's the only definite. But they're paying showbird.
37:38
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta admit your mistake. Wouldn't go I wouldn't
37:45
Speaker 1: go down for you yet. Okay, what are you gonna
37:48
Speaker 1: wait to have the season to do it? Awful? He's
37:52
Speaker 1: not awful good, but he ain't worth that money that
37:58
Speaker 1: much is a given. Positive conversation. Tony has had enough
38:08
Speaker 1: of this conversation. I think, Pete, yeah, I mean, what
38:10
Speaker 1: what what do you want to say? I mean, and
38:17
Speaker 1: I told you what I think he's better. You're better
38:20
Speaker 1: with him at starting at Mike is a moves Miles
38:22
Speaker 1: jack Um, Well, are you telling me is he an
38:25
Speaker 1: all Pro? Is he a Pro Bowl level mic linebacker?
38:27
Speaker 1: No Pro Bowl? Say it again, Pete, he's been to
38:34
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I'm just you're asking me if he's
38:37
Speaker 1: playing at that level. I don't think he is about
38:39
Speaker 1: all right, So three guys are definite from the guys
38:42
Speaker 1: who started on Sundays, there's only three definites going in.
38:47
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I mean, yeah, definite. I mean
38:53
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna end up being five or six,
38:55
Speaker 1: but definite, like start like you like, these guys are
38:59
Speaker 1: starting caliber player. Okay, will Chase On be a starter?
39:07
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Well, that's a miss. Then if
39:10
Speaker 1: he's not starting, it's a miss because I don't think
39:16
Speaker 1: you can start him and Josh Allen, I think you
39:17
Speaker 1: need a bigger defensive end. I was gonna say, what
39:19
Speaker 1: kind of scheme are they running? Is it going to
39:21
Speaker 1: be a totally different What if they come in? What
39:23
Speaker 1: if the guy who comes in and puts three guys
39:25
Speaker 1: down and two guys on the edge standing up, then
39:27
Speaker 1: you can start both of them. Did anybody start yeah, right,
39:31
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm just thinking the current four three scheme. Yeah,
39:35
Speaker 1: and which almost goes back to the pick of them.
39:39
Speaker 1: If you picked him thinking you're going to fit him
39:42
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39:47
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39:49
Speaker 1: a chance to be an elite pass rusher, and then
39:51
Speaker 1: you have two pass rushers, you're a nickel on you
39:53
Speaker 1: know sixty percent at the time, then it's worthwhile. I
39:56
Speaker 1: don't see anything. I'm not saying he can't be. I
39:58
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything that tells me an elite pass pressure.
40:01
Speaker 1: He made a made a tackle yesterday though, that was
40:05
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40:09
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he made it tackle and I'm not
40:11
Speaker 1: I'm not to get credit with two tackle Did he
40:13
Speaker 1: get credit for two pressures too? One he had a
40:16
Speaker 1: loop in on the interior where he almost hit Roethlisberger
40:19
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40:22
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40:27
Speaker 1: quarterback hits. I'll say that I don't know about but
40:30
Speaker 1: it was. It was. He was right there at the
40:33
Speaker 1: when we released it. So it was. But again, he's
40:35
Speaker 1: not lining up a winning against anybody. Got a stun
40:38
Speaker 1: him inside, you know, used to do that really well.
40:40
Speaker 1: But Beasley, I mean, what happened to Am. I'm just
40:47
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to kill him. You, I'm not ready
40:49
Speaker 1: to bury him. And saying he's not ready to bury
40:51
Speaker 1: him either, I'm just asking you, do you think he's
40:53
Speaker 1: gonna be a starter next year in the current system?
40:56
Speaker 1: Now I don't. Oh good. Now, remember we're in the
41:00
Speaker 1: second Go ahead to me because in a four three
41:04
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna start him in Josh Allen, I need
41:06
Speaker 1: a bigger end to line up on the tight inside
41:08
Speaker 1: we can hold the point. I don't think he can
41:10
Speaker 1: hold the point. M fair enough. Caleb and Chason out
41:16
Speaker 1: of LSU overall pick couple of tackles yesterday eleven for
41:19
Speaker 1: the season. Has a sacked this year, but that just
41:22
Speaker 1: hasn't been on the field a lot, uh this year.
41:26
Speaker 1: Let's see yesterday. What were his numbers? Yesterday? Chason had
41:29
Speaker 1: forty six snaps yesterday, Remember Josh Old Josh Allen got
41:34
Speaker 1: hurt in the second quarter that's why. But he played
41:36
Speaker 1: a lot yesterday though, and and the production wasn't there. Hey, look,
41:40
Speaker 1: if there's no other way to sum it up other
41:42
Speaker 1: than the fact that he's been a disappointment so far
41:45
Speaker 1: this year, well, I mean, let me you look at it, right,
41:49
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at it right now. You're not
41:50
Speaker 1: getting a ton of production out of it. Your top
41:52
Speaker 1: your three, your first three draft picks, Anderson, Jason, and
42:02
Speaker 1: Ye two of them are Yeah, that's right, that's now.
42:06
Speaker 1: I mean, injuries happened, so I'm not I mean that
42:08
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they can't they're not good players and can't
42:10
Speaker 1: play it. Just as you sit here today. You're not
42:13
Speaker 1: getting production out So you're the best production out of
42:16
Speaker 1: the rookie is clearly the undrafted running back, and then
42:18
Speaker 1: after that it's got to be who. Yeah, and then
42:23
Speaker 1: the one after that would have been, um, probably Claybrooks
42:27
Speaker 1: or Thomas Thomas Thomas. Yeah. Now, Thomas Claybrooks has been
42:33
Speaker 1: really good on special teams, right, but remember that's what
42:38
Speaker 1: he was drafted for. He was going to be a
42:40
Speaker 1: return specialist, right, He wasn't supposed to be on the
42:42
Speaker 1: field on defense. Yeah, he's done a good job too.
42:45
Speaker 1: He's a good gunner. I mean he's a good football player.
42:47
Speaker 1: I mean I think he has a future in the
42:48
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42:52
Speaker 1: backup corner for sure. Right, I think we've lost Pete.
42:56
Speaker 1: He's frozen on our screen, which is the best face
42:59
Speaker 1: he has had all day, Tony. So let's take a time.
43:03
Speaker 1: It's it's not a very it's not a very becoming
43:06
Speaker 1: picture that he's frozen. He has like like turkey gaggle
43:09
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43:10
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43:15
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43:17
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43:19
Speaker 1: How many good angles are there down there? Not a lot,
43:23
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47:11
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47:13
Speaker 1: gets the most out of everything. I mean, you know,
47:15
Speaker 1: there's not not much more we can ask from him.
47:17
Speaker 1: You know, he's a bright Spot obviously, Um, you know
47:20
Speaker 1: it does well. I just I just feel bad that
47:22
Speaker 1: we can't, you know, get a lead and get him
47:24
Speaker 1: more carries, and you know, I think it's the production
47:26
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47:29
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47:30
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47:34
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47:35
Speaker 1: job on him. I mean, he's a he's an obviously
47:37
Speaker 1: a good football player for US head coach Doug Moron
47:41
Speaker 1: after the game yesterday discussing Jane Robinson, Jaguars running back,
47:46
Speaker 1: Welcome Back, Jaguars Happy Hour, j P, Shadrick, Pete, Frisco,
47:49
Speaker 1: Tonyssel will be back with us at the top of
47:52
Speaker 1: the hour. So Pete, it's you and I are gonna
47:54
Speaker 1: be the best segment of the show. Of course, every
47:57
Speaker 1: time he leaves, it's always the best segment of the show.
48:00
Speaker 1: Come on, how many shows have we've done without him?
48:02
Speaker 1: When he's been in Europe, they went, the ratings went
48:03
Speaker 1: through the roof. I mean they are to this day,
48:07
Speaker 1: there's not a higher rating shows. I mean, those are
48:11
Speaker 1: ones they put in the Hall of Fame. They really are.
48:14
Speaker 1: Um So James Robinson. I mean, this guy continues. Yeah,
48:18
Speaker 1: it's you know what, JP, It's amazing that he's, like
48:24
Speaker 1: Doug said, you're not capable of seeing him play with
48:26
Speaker 1: the lead because he's been phenomenal. I mean, I always
48:30
Speaker 1: say it. He doesn't let anybody get square contact on him.
48:35
Speaker 1: He's always cutting and bobbing and weaving and and it's
48:40
Speaker 1: hard to get square hits on me. Fits through tight
48:42
Speaker 1: little holes and pops out. He's what a running back
48:45
Speaker 1: should be. Um. You know, maybe he lacks the top
48:48
Speaker 1: end speed, which is okay, you don't have the explosive
48:51
Speaker 1: runs from a guy like him, but he is a
48:55
Speaker 1: tough guy, grinder and again Emmett Smith style runner. You
49:00
Speaker 1: know where Emmett Smith never let people get good shots
49:02
Speaker 1: on him, and yet he's still put up a bunch
49:04
Speaker 1: of numbers. He's an oppressive kid. He's been their best
49:07
Speaker 1: offensive player. I don't think there's any question about that. Uh.
49:10
Speaker 1: And he is a building block and the foundation for
49:13
Speaker 1: this team. I'd have to go dig a little bit, obviously,
49:15
Speaker 1: but I'm curious how many rushing attempts are for losses
49:20
Speaker 1: or no gain for him this year. I bet the
49:22
Speaker 1: vast majority are for positive yardage. Yeah. He and even
49:27
Speaker 1: at times when there's penetration, he has a way of
49:30
Speaker 1: finding himself to the lot of scrimmage and and that's
49:32
Speaker 1: a sign of a good running back. Um. He is
49:35
Speaker 1: everything that Leonar four Net wasn't. Leonard four Net had
49:41
Speaker 1: the straight line speed when he got through the whole,
49:43
Speaker 1: but he didn't make anybody mess if there was penetration
49:45
Speaker 1: in the back, but he was going down. If there
49:48
Speaker 1: was a guy in front of him, he's gonna try
49:49
Speaker 1: and run him over. He wasn't making anybody miss. This
49:51
Speaker 1: kid makes people miss. He just doesn't have the top
49:54
Speaker 1: end speed. But he's a good back and he's a
49:56
Speaker 1: good football player. To your point of he's not a
49:59
Speaker 1: game breaker. He's not gonna break that forty sixty yard
50:02
Speaker 1: touchdown run. Um. Talking to Terry Robiscue a few weeks ago,
50:05
Speaker 1: the running backs coach has been in the league for
50:07
Speaker 1: forever and used that used to Bow Jackson and Marcus
50:13
Speaker 1: Allen in his backfield as an assistant back in the
50:15
Speaker 1: old days. He said to James earlier this year, you know,
50:18
Speaker 1: get us what we need as a team, and that's
50:21
Speaker 1: four yards, and then you can get what you want
50:24
Speaker 1: After that, so I think early in the season he
50:26
Speaker 1: might have been worried about breaking out and getting an
50:29
Speaker 1: extra ten yards something like that. But as the season
50:31
Speaker 1: has gone on, you see him focusing on what the
50:34
Speaker 1: blocking is following the play, and that helps the offensive
50:37
Speaker 1: line out as well when you follow what is what
50:40
Speaker 1: is drawn up for you. Hey, and he's a pretty
50:43
Speaker 1: good receiver too. Out of the back. He can catch
50:45
Speaker 1: the ball. He saw that yesterday, had a good catch.
50:48
Speaker 1: I think eventually they'll use them more in the screen
50:51
Speaker 1: game as they get better at that kind of thing.
50:54
Speaker 1: But right now, he's a good running back. Now he's
50:57
Speaker 1: not Fred Taylor, Maurice Jones, Drew. We can slow of
51:00
Speaker 1: that role right now. But he's a good back. And
51:02
Speaker 1: if you asked me if I could have him or
51:05
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournett right now to run behind my offensive line,
51:08
Speaker 1: I'm taking Robinson right I mean, we'll see Leonard tonight
51:12
Speaker 1: mon football. But um, you don't do anything. Don't do anything.
51:16
Speaker 1: He doesn't do anything down there, No, don't do anything.
51:19
Speaker 1: I mean, he did some things in Jacksonville, but a
51:21
Speaker 1: lot of that was out of necessity because he got
51:22
Speaker 1: the ball and they were behind. You know, the passing
51:26
Speaker 1: yard and he got last year Catches was behind. But no, look,
51:31
Speaker 1: they took they took a lot of heat for that
51:33
Speaker 1: decision right when it happened, right, I mean, that's one JP.
51:38
Speaker 1: That's one decision that they deserve to get credit for
51:41
Speaker 1: because you know, when they sat for net packing, they
51:45
Speaker 1: knew they had Robinson and you know, you started hearing
51:48
Speaker 1: good things about him, and we talked about it on
51:50
Speaker 1: the show and people when I told people, like on
51:53
Speaker 1: the air in my place and I said it in
51:55
Speaker 1: the office, they said who, But I said, you watch
51:58
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing but good things about this. So they
52:01
Speaker 1: made the right decision. And he's a good kid. He's
52:03
Speaker 1: a he's a great character kid. From everything I hear
52:06
Speaker 1: a little quiet um, you know that, which you know
52:09
Speaker 1: guys are when they're young and they're in rookies. But
52:13
Speaker 1: he's a good back and they have that's a building block.
52:16
Speaker 1: There's one I think DJ sharkis too. You know, I think,
52:20
Speaker 1: you know, offensive line wise, you'd like to think John
52:23
Speaker 1: Taylor is. But I don't think he's played that well
52:26
Speaker 1: this year. But he should be, uh you know, should
52:29
Speaker 1: not will be. I think maybe if he stays healthy,
52:33
Speaker 1: right that a guy like that, right and so, and
52:38
Speaker 1: I think he bring Keelan coleback as the third receiver.
52:41
Speaker 1: But that group is coming back now, how they play
52:44
Speaker 1: out the offensive line is to be determined. Well, Cann'll
52:48
Speaker 1: be back, be Can's contract and Kid's actually play a
52:50
Speaker 1: j can give him credit, he's played pretty well this year.
52:53
Speaker 1: The rest of those guys, I think it's up in
52:55
Speaker 1: the air. Linder, Norwell, Cam Robinson, and Robinson that hasn't
53:00
Speaker 1: played himself into a big time contract. I don't think
53:04
Speaker 1: Tony might disagree with me, but I'd be careful with
53:06
Speaker 1: that one, right. I mean, if you there's a better
53:09
Speaker 1: option out there too, maybe you go get the better option.
53:13
Speaker 1: Well can you can you? I still don't think you're
53:15
Speaker 1: gonna be able to pay Lender and Robinson, so one
53:17
Speaker 1: of them had one of them has to go, all right,
53:20
Speaker 1: So are you more comfortable paying Lender paying Robinson for me?
53:26
Speaker 1: I think I'm uncomfortable paying Lender. I'm more comfortable paying
53:30
Speaker 1: neither of them, to be honest, with none of them
53:33
Speaker 1: start over. No, I would Well, I mean, you drafted
53:36
Speaker 1: bart do you think he's going to be a player,
53:39
Speaker 1: so he could be in one of the guards and
53:41
Speaker 1: you might send Norwell packing, make him me the left guard. Uh,
53:45
Speaker 1: and then you know you can find some guys that
53:46
Speaker 1: are they have money to spend. Let's not forget about that.
53:49
Speaker 1: These guys you can find on the on the street.
53:51
Speaker 1: Let's just say in the draft they had. We're gonna
53:56
Speaker 1: talk draft later, but Fields and the offensive lineman down there.
54:02
Speaker 1: That when they picked the Ramspeck left tackle, and and
54:08
Speaker 1: they sign a tight end and free agency, is that
54:12
Speaker 1: a good offense? Well, it depends on what kind of
54:14
Speaker 1: tight end you're getting, right. I mean, if you're gonna
54:17
Speaker 1: get a free agency tight end, you think he's gonna
54:19
Speaker 1: go down catches starting left tackle at twenty two or
54:25
Speaker 1: whatever it is now, right, which would be a rookie tackle.
54:28
Speaker 1: But you know we've seen those guys step in and play.
54:30
Speaker 1: Beckton's played really well. He was a high pick though. Um,
54:33
Speaker 1: I think you'd have confidence at that point, right, I mean,
54:36
Speaker 1: new guy your company with left tackle, your offensive line,
54:39
Speaker 1: and new guy you pick in the first round at
54:41
Speaker 1: left tackle, um BArch at left guard. It's a young
54:44
Speaker 1: left side though. How you bring Linda back at center
54:48
Speaker 1: to keep the group together? Can and Taylor? Then you
54:51
Speaker 1: have Fields, you drafted, you signed Hunter Henry, you draft,
54:55
Speaker 1: and then you have the three healthy receivers together with Robinson.
54:58
Speaker 1: Is that is that a good off? That's it's better
55:02
Speaker 1: than what's going on right now. I'll say that what
55:05
Speaker 1: has really it has the potential to be, has the potential.
55:08
Speaker 1: I don't think opening day you can say, hey, we're good,
55:10
Speaker 1: it's built. You can't do that. They gotta go play
55:12
Speaker 1: and get better together, you know, so I mean that.
55:16
Speaker 1: And and there are options in free agency as well
55:19
Speaker 1: to spend money on. So there. Look, it's moving. You
55:24
Speaker 1: have the money, you have the draft picks, you have
55:26
Speaker 1: some building block. It's just this year. If you're a fan,
55:30
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55:32
Speaker 1: gotta hope the Jets win one. And well, I mean
55:36
Speaker 1: that's the reality. You'd rather have Trevor Lawrence and Justin Field.
55:39
Speaker 1: And that's not anything against Justin Fields, because I think
55:42
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a really good player too. This might
55:44
Speaker 1: be Burrow and Herbert. You'd be okay with either one
55:47
Speaker 1: of them. Right, One more quick thing here before we
55:50
Speaker 1: go away. Are you more comfortable paying a tight end
55:53
Speaker 1: in free agency or drafting a rookie tight end to
55:56
Speaker 1: be the start or does it matter. I mean, I
56:00
Speaker 1: might be more comfortable paying a left tackle if I
56:03
Speaker 1: got one, and and then drafting the rookie tight end. Yeah.
56:07
Speaker 1: The problem with the tight ends nowadays they're one dimensional
56:11
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases. I mean, like, Okay, the
56:13
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56:15
Speaker 1: round pick, Briar Ruth, I think that's his name. He's
56:18
Speaker 1: hurt now, and so how do you evaluate him? And
56:21
Speaker 1: he's a complete tight end. You have the Florida kid.
56:24
Speaker 1: He we know what he is. He's a pass cat.
56:26
Speaker 1: That's a that's a that's a Darren Waller. That's who
56:30
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56:33
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56:36
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56:39
Speaker 1: So that's another thing to keep an eye on. I
56:42
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56:44
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56:48
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Speaker 1: after the game yesterday discussing the quarterback situation. Welcome into
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1:01:32
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Speaker 1: bit more and then they'll figure things out. Possibly on Wednesday.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: The defense held their own for a bit. The Steelers though,
1:01:47
Speaker 1: just to have all those weapons everywhere, and the Jaguars
1:01:50
Speaker 1: are walking wounded and in some cases not walking unfortunately.
1:01:54
Speaker 1: It is a tough sled yesterday in the athletic training
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1:02:01
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1:02:05
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Speaker 1: on the defensive line on deck. It doesn't get easier.
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Speaker 1: The seven and three Cleveland Browns come to town this
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Speaker 1: week in week number twelve, and they're fighting for a
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Speaker 1: playoff spot. You know they'll be locked and loaded. Hey,
1:02:21
Speaker 1: Tony's back with us. That you missed minutes was the
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Speaker 1: best radio we've had in a long It's unbelievable. The
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Speaker 1: ratings just went right through the roof when you left.
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Speaker 1: I heard it as I was on the phone taking
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Speaker 1: their highest rated fifteen minutes of the year so far. Yeah,
1:02:48
Speaker 1: I heard your I heard your Hunter, Henry take not
1:02:51
Speaker 1: just town Henry, just whatever. They need help. And you
1:02:55
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay either Linda or you cut you you you
1:02:59
Speaker 1: move on from lend Uder and Cam. I might he
1:03:02
Speaker 1: start over, is what he said. Yep, Tony, I might play.
1:03:07
Speaker 1: I play Shatley at center if I had to, and
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Speaker 1: I get a left pack or a draft one, play
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Speaker 1: Bart and Left. I mean yes, I would probably. To
1:03:15
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I think they're both too expensive.
1:03:17
Speaker 1: They'd be both too expensive for what they are. What
1:03:19
Speaker 1: what would they what number would make Cam too expensive? Well?
1:03:25
Speaker 1: What do you think he's gonna ask for? I mean
1:03:26
Speaker 1: in unrestricted free agent left tackle? After seeing what these
1:03:29
Speaker 1: guys have been getting? What about ther he get and
1:03:31
Speaker 1: he hasn't Bougard, But what do you get? Or twenty three? Here?
1:03:36
Speaker 1: Just drop him down a little bit. What do you
1:03:38
Speaker 1: think he's gonna ask for? I didn't say what he's
1:03:40
Speaker 1: gonna ask for. What would you want? What I pay him? Yeah, twelve,
1:03:48
Speaker 1: I was gonna say fourteen. No, but you're paying for
1:03:56
Speaker 1: What are you paying for, Tony? What? What do you
1:04:00
Speaker 1: adding for fourteen million dollars a year? I mean, I
1:04:03
Speaker 1: think you're getting a solid starters. So you're overby for
1:04:08
Speaker 1: a solid starter? No, I mean, but I mean left
1:04:11
Speaker 1: tackles start left tackles a leaguer you intended fourteen? All right,
1:04:16
Speaker 1: unless unless unless you unless you go get him, you know,
1:04:19
Speaker 1: draft him. Do you think he's better than Villanueva? Yes,
1:04:26
Speaker 1: you do, Yeah, I do. I don't know about that.
1:04:30
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, he can watch the tape. He's a thousand
1:04:36
Speaker 1: times better run blocker than he's a better can't bend
1:04:39
Speaker 1: his knees, and he's a better pass walker. Ben Satan's Villanueva.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: Ben gets rid of it faster than any quarterback in
1:04:46
Speaker 1: the league, and he moves in the pocket as well
1:04:48
Speaker 1: as anybody. Yes, he's better than villain Aueva. It's not okay,
1:04:52
Speaker 1: but he's not okay. We can go around the league
1:04:53
Speaker 1: and find left tackles. He's not better that What are
1:04:56
Speaker 1: they paying Villainueva. I'm gonna look, okay, is he's not
1:05:00
Speaker 1: better than Eric Fisher and he's not good. Would you
1:05:05
Speaker 1: agree with that? He's a better run blocker eric Fisher?
1:05:08
Speaker 1: But he's he's not as um I mean, I think
1:05:11
Speaker 1: he's he's on Eric Fisher's calib don't. I mean, they're like,
1:05:17
Speaker 1: you're right, they're probably neither one of them are that good? Okay?
1:05:21
Speaker 1: You know what building a wave it gets per year?
1:05:23
Speaker 1: He gotta he makes six million dollars a year and
1:05:33
Speaker 1: he's an unrestricted free agent after the season. There's not
1:05:37
Speaker 1: that much. Would you pay billing a wave of six
1:05:39
Speaker 1: million and gad Momas in four D don't? Yeah? I mean, Pete,
1:05:50
Speaker 1: here's the other thing you can't do any now. Build
1:05:52
Speaker 1: a wave is older. Yeah, he's much older. Here's other
1:05:54
Speaker 1: thing you can't do. You just can't keep on getting
1:05:57
Speaker 1: rid of guys. You have to build somewhere. I mean,
1:06:02
Speaker 1: I'll give you the perfect million. What is though, No,
1:06:08
Speaker 1: you missed my point. This is exactly. Whoever the GM
1:06:12
Speaker 1: needs to be thinking. What's Eric Fisher getting paid from?
1:06:16
Speaker 1: Picked though? Too, I don't care it's a second contract.
1:06:20
Speaker 1: What is he getting paid? I'll tell you right now.
1:06:23
Speaker 1: We'll see if you're over a little to it. He's
1:06:26
Speaker 1: getting twelve a year. Okay, So I said twelve, I said, Tony,
1:06:31
Speaker 1: what every every player in the league was the GM?
1:06:34
Speaker 1: You know you said ten? First of all? I swell,
1:06:38
Speaker 1: and I said you said fourteen. Tony said fourteen. I
1:06:44
Speaker 1: said twelve. No, I did not say fourteen. I said
1:06:49
Speaker 1: twelve to fourteen. I give you a range. I said twelve.
1:06:55
Speaker 1: We can pull the tape up at Jenny game, okay,
1:06:57
Speaker 1: if whatever. By the way, that deal was signed two
1:07:00
Speaker 1: or three years ago, I think he's an equal quest
1:07:03
Speaker 1: like and everyone killed the Chiefs when they signed him
1:07:05
Speaker 1: and paid him that much money to or three years ago.
1:07:08
Speaker 1: Here's the reality is, unless you have someone better to
1:07:10
Speaker 1: replace him with, you just keep on going backwards and
1:07:12
Speaker 1: spinning and you go nowhere. So okay, so you can't
1:07:16
Speaker 1: pay would you agree that you're probably not gonna pay
1:07:19
Speaker 1: keep Lender and pay Camp. I don't think you can
1:07:23
Speaker 1: pay Lender Norwell and Camp Okay, well, let's take doorall
1:07:27
Speaker 1: out of the equation, because the ideal situation barches ready
1:07:30
Speaker 1: to play left card? You play left card? True, right,
1:07:33
Speaker 1: you drafted him, you think you can play, you put
1:07:35
Speaker 1: him a left card. I haven't. I mean, I haven't
1:07:40
Speaker 1: what I saw in the two games. I'm not doing that.
1:07:43
Speaker 1: But it's a whole year of everything. Great, am I
1:07:48
Speaker 1: gonna bet everything going into the uh go into the
1:07:51
Speaker 1: season with what I've seen so far. Now, I haven't
1:07:53
Speaker 1: seen practice. I haven't seen what this guy does in camp.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: I mean, we weren't therapy. It's hard, but that's an
1:08:00
Speaker 1: ideal scenario. Okay, but okay, but you pay everybody and
1:08:05
Speaker 1: bring it me. You get not said to pay everybody,
1:08:09
Speaker 1: You're not, So what would you do? What would I do?
1:08:14
Speaker 1: Um one? I I My biggest concern, Pete is if
1:08:20
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go draft a young quarterback, I want to
1:08:21
Speaker 1: protect him. And even if it's I mean, you gotta
1:08:26
Speaker 1: protect him. I get that. But you are you? Is
1:08:29
Speaker 1: this line good enough to protect? I mean, that's a
1:08:35
Speaker 1: fair that that's the other side, is it? I mean,
1:08:37
Speaker 1: what do you get? Are you getting what you're paying for?
1:08:40
Speaker 1: That's a fair that's a fair okay, So let's let's
1:08:43
Speaker 1: just say you can't. There's no way you can pay.
1:08:46
Speaker 1: You can't pay you and lender, and nor would you.
1:08:50
Speaker 1: Why would you? I agree, So one of them or
1:08:55
Speaker 1: two of them have to go. You're probably right, So
1:08:59
Speaker 1: then which one do you pick? He picked the young
1:09:00
Speaker 1: guy and let the two old guys go. I mean,
1:09:03
Speaker 1: I've always maybe overvalued Cam because I think he really
1:09:07
Speaker 1: has ability and talent and everything else, but the consistency
1:09:11
Speaker 1: is just not there. And if you look at it,
1:09:14
Speaker 1: you know his rookie year was his rookie year up
1:09:17
Speaker 1: and down, but that's a rookie Um. He came back
1:09:20
Speaker 1: before he got hurt. He was not playing good, did
1:09:22
Speaker 1: not have a good camp, good three season or good start.
1:09:25
Speaker 1: Gets hurt Um early and then really last year never
1:09:31
Speaker 1: looked good at all last year as well. Now came
1:09:34
Speaker 1: back this year in a contract year, in great shape
1:09:37
Speaker 1: and like ready to go. Started well. Um has had
1:09:41
Speaker 1: the last couple of has been tough weeks, but for
1:09:43
Speaker 1: the most part has played well this year until the
1:09:45
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. Um. But when you worry about
1:09:47
Speaker 1: with the guy like that, Pete, didn't you do it
1:09:50
Speaker 1: because it was his contract year, and this is a
1:09:54
Speaker 1: contract year, and this is the best you're gonna get.
1:09:59
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If if he went into
1:10:01
Speaker 1: the year as a contract year, got in great shape,
1:10:03
Speaker 1: was ready to go, I'm gonna go show people I'm
1:10:05
Speaker 1: worth all this money, and this is the best you're
1:10:07
Speaker 1: gonna get. That's concerning. Yeah, well, I mean what does
1:10:13
Speaker 1: he get paid? And visit an unrestricted free agent? That's
1:10:18
Speaker 1: a good question. I mean, is he gonna get He
1:10:20
Speaker 1: probably gets. He's not coming close to that box the
1:10:23
Speaker 1: R money. No, no, no, no, he's not bad. So
1:10:26
Speaker 1: so what's he get? I say, gets twelve. I bet
1:10:29
Speaker 1: you gets more than that market pe. Look around the NFL.
1:10:32
Speaker 1: Look at the offensive linement. I know they're bad. There's
1:10:35
Speaker 1: some bad linemen in this league. I mean, okay, is
1:10:39
Speaker 1: he better than Donovan Smith in Tampa? Probably? I don't
1:10:42
Speaker 1: think so. No, Or it's close. It's closed though, Yeah, okay,
1:10:47
Speaker 1: the Rams started, Rams started Wentworth Whitworth. Wentworth is not
1:10:55
Speaker 1: his athletic. He's just a crafty dude. He's like went
1:10:57
Speaker 1: Worth better. He is better. Yeah, he's hurt now, but
1:11:02
Speaker 1: he's better. But there are he's not better. There's certain
1:11:05
Speaker 1: there's a lot of better starting now that aren't gonna
1:11:07
Speaker 1: be around either, so maybe there will be a market
1:11:09
Speaker 1: work like Jason Peters. Um, I mean he's he was
1:11:14
Speaker 1: terrible yesterday. Yeah, he's struggling and his body's breaking down,
1:11:18
Speaker 1: though he was a great player. Breaking down. Um, but
1:11:24
Speaker 1: you have big to your point, and this is where
1:11:26
Speaker 1: you're like, you have big decisions. I'm not paying him
1:11:29
Speaker 1: like a franchise left tackle because I haven't seen that
1:11:31
Speaker 1: this year. But I don't think putting Let's call it
1:11:36
Speaker 1: between ten and fifteen million. Just make that the range
1:11:39
Speaker 1: beat in your left tackle? Right? Could you know above
1:11:44
Speaker 1: average plays out of the realm with it? Where the
1:11:47
Speaker 1: cap and how guys are getting paid right now? Okay,
1:11:52
Speaker 1: so twelve million is fair. I don't think he takes
1:11:57
Speaker 1: it now, let me he goes he goes to the
1:12:00
Speaker 1: agency to see if you get more. Here's another question,
1:12:03
Speaker 1: speaking of free agency. Are you sure you can attract
1:12:07
Speaker 1: the free agent you want at that position the right money,
1:12:10
Speaker 1: You'll try, you can get him anywhere. Here's the thing,
1:12:13
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go fund. There's no there's no franchise
1:12:16
Speaker 1: left tackles coming up in free agency. Come on, guys.
1:12:19
Speaker 1: Well no, but but you got a draft one then okay,
1:12:22
Speaker 1: But then Pete, you also need to you also want
1:12:24
Speaker 1: to tight end. You also need a pass rusher, you
1:12:27
Speaker 1: also need uh probably a safety you also need you know,
1:12:32
Speaker 1: but aren't you compounding your problems by over paying a
1:12:37
Speaker 1: guy just to fill the spot. I'm not saying over
1:12:40
Speaker 1: pay him. I get what you're saying. I'm not saying
1:12:44
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pay him sixteen seventeen eighteen, nowhere close to
1:12:48
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year. I wouldn't do it because
1:12:51
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that that maybe in the last six
1:12:53
Speaker 1: games a year, he's just dominant and things look better,
1:12:55
Speaker 1: and possibly I'd still be worried because it's a one
1:12:57
Speaker 1: year sample size of this will be his best year's
1:13:00
Speaker 1: contract here. We've seen that story in the league before
1:13:03
Speaker 1: of how that works. Yeah, yeah, I just I think
1:13:07
Speaker 1: you've got to be concerned a little bit about him
1:13:12
Speaker 1: playing his best football this year and this is this
1:13:15
Speaker 1: is it, this is what you get and so But
1:13:22
Speaker 1: at the same time, I understand, I gotta someone has
1:13:24
Speaker 1: to play left tackle somebody, right, And you're just saying,
1:13:30
Speaker 1: go draft a guy, Okay, I gotta draft a lot
1:13:32
Speaker 1: of guys, Tony. I understand that, but you're also saying
1:13:37
Speaker 1: let's just play on with him just because I'm not
1:13:42
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm just thinking smart when you're when you're
1:13:45
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1:13:48
Speaker 1: you're not happy and it's always they stink. You better
1:13:51
Speaker 1: have someone to replace him with because you have to
1:13:52
Speaker 1: line up with eleven guys on each side of the ball. Okay,
1:13:55
Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you a guy that's gonna
1:13:56
Speaker 1: be a free agent and he's played really well as
1:14:00
Speaker 1: already stunt before this year, Garrett Bold year. Okay, but
1:14:12
Speaker 1: he's still but he's still light in the rear end
1:14:15
Speaker 1: and gets pushed. I'm not playing you, But if you
1:14:19
Speaker 1: put those two side by side, I bet your bowls
1:14:22
Speaker 1: gets more money, can more physical. That's just that there
1:14:27
Speaker 1: aren't any guys on the market. You can't. That's I mean,
1:14:32
Speaker 1: then you're betting on the draft. Well, if that's the case,
1:14:35
Speaker 1: he's gonna go in and say, you know what, I'm
1:14:37
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1:14:38
Speaker 1: gonna get. And that I mean, but then you have
1:14:41
Speaker 1: to use do you transition tagon? What is the ass
1:14:45
Speaker 1: probably what the that's probably what they will do, Transition Tagon.
1:14:49
Speaker 1: If you're losing me, get a draft pick, right, that's
1:14:53
Speaker 1: probably what they'll do. I mean that's what I would do. Well,
1:14:56
Speaker 1: I just said, now you're copying me, that's what I said.
1:14:59
Speaker 1: But but again, what's what's the top what's the top
1:15:02
Speaker 1: what's the top ten number for? Because it isn't Transition
1:15:05
Speaker 1: tech average in the top ten? Uh? Yeah, So what
1:15:09
Speaker 1: do you think that's the highest? What's what's the tent?
1:15:16
Speaker 1: The higher, that's for sure, I'll find in a second.
1:15:21
Speaker 1: But you know, if you add one in the draft
1:15:26
Speaker 1: and he stepped in and play right away, and the
1:15:29
Speaker 1: answer to that quite If you're at them in the
1:15:30
Speaker 1: first round, you can, okay, but Pete, if you the
1:15:36
Speaker 1: Rams are pretty good and so they're gonna be picking.
1:15:39
Speaker 1: Let's say between twenty two and right, you're not finding
1:15:46
Speaker 1: a guy that you're quit comfortable with. You're not finding
1:15:48
Speaker 1: back then, No, not finding Have you watched the Browns
1:15:52
Speaker 1: on tape yet this year? Yeah? What do you think it? Will?
1:15:56
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. You would take that
1:16:00
Speaker 1: and put him in left? Would you take Wills over Robinson?
1:16:03
Speaker 1: I've only watched like one or two games. I haven't
1:16:05
Speaker 1: watching that. Let's be unfair. But like I'll tell you,
1:16:08
Speaker 1: I like the kid of Tampa, the right tackle they got.
1:16:12
Speaker 1: He's good. He's really good. The kid, the kid and
1:16:15
Speaker 1: the Giants is struggling, but he'll be Okay, yeah, playing
1:16:19
Speaker 1: better the last couple. But these are all guys taken
1:16:21
Speaker 1: in the top half of the draft. They're not there. Well,
1:16:25
Speaker 1: the Vikings picked the tackle later in the first round.
1:16:28
Speaker 1: He's now starting at right guard. Okay, that doesn't That
1:16:33
Speaker 1: doesn't solve your left tackle. So basically, so what does
1:16:37
Speaker 1: solve your left tackle? The pay and paid Robinson million
1:16:40
Speaker 1: dollars a year doesn't solve your left backing spot either.
1:16:42
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it doesn't. It just fills it. We got
1:16:45
Speaker 1: a time, Well, we gotta take a time. We'll come back.
1:16:49
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1:16:51
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Speaker 1: I am firmly in the camp of keeping Dave Caldwell
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Speaker 1: this year. Also with their record, they would be able
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Speaker 1: to coach the Senior Bowl, which would give them a
1:21:16
Speaker 1: leg up in the draft. I didn't see a question there, Pete.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, look, I don't see that happening. I just don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they're coming back one in fifteen.
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Speaker 1: How do you sell that to your fan base? I
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Speaker 1: don't think you can. Come on, let's be honest about it. JP,
1:21:34
Speaker 1: there's no way. Yeah, I mean, it's and as far
1:21:37
Speaker 1: as coaching the Senior Bowl. That's very helpful if you
1:21:40
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Speaker 1: We coached three in a row, Pete, I know, but
1:21:48
Speaker 1: it usually helpful. Three found guys in it. Three Which
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1:21:57
Speaker 1: what fifteen sixteen fourteen fifteen sixteen? Yeah, yeah, should be helpful.
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Speaker 1: CF Zeller's for what's the one quality you will look
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Speaker 1: for above the rest for a head coach? Inspirational, spirited, offensive,
1:22:25
Speaker 1: guru coaching, three roots attitude. Not at all trying to
1:22:29
Speaker 1: pile on Doug with the expectations that were set this
1:22:32
Speaker 1: year are what they are. Great show what do you think, Pete?
1:22:37
Speaker 1: Being able to things for me, being able to lead
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1:22:45
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1:22:48
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1:22:52
Speaker 1: But you gotta be able to handle the big picture
1:22:55
Speaker 1: clock management. Uh, discipline, all the the things that I
1:23:01
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1:23:05
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1:23:07
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1:23:11
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1:23:13
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1:23:15
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1:23:20
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1:23:27
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1:23:37
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Speaker 1: at Waco Grina from down in Argentina. Hey, they're good afternoon.
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Speaker 1: The JP Pete and Tony trio on Monday is amazing.
1:23:51
Speaker 1: Draft mode for Tony is best player available. But which
1:23:55
Speaker 1: are the most needed positions to draft and which ones
1:23:58
Speaker 1: can be addressed in free agency salutos best player available.
1:24:05
Speaker 1: You have to draft the quarterback at number two. If
1:24:09
Speaker 1: there are number two, they're taking just the field. If
1:24:12
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, if he's you have to that's
1:24:14
Speaker 1: that's a given. But I think this is one of
1:24:17
Speaker 1: those things, and Tony kind of nailed it. It's been
1:24:20
Speaker 1: a philosophy of mine for a long time. JP you
1:24:25
Speaker 1: draft around the quarterback, and I've always said this, it
1:24:28
Speaker 1: used to be a four pronged approached the draft, and
1:24:31
Speaker 1: you draft the quarterback, You draft the guy who can
1:24:34
Speaker 1: knock down the quarterback. You draft the guy who can
1:24:37
Speaker 1: keep that guy from knocking down the quarterback, which is
1:24:39
Speaker 1: your offensive lineman tackle preferably, you draft the guy who
1:24:44
Speaker 1: knocks the quarterback passes down, which is the wide receiver.
1:24:48
Speaker 1: And now the way the game is played, you have
1:24:50
Speaker 1: to add a fifth to that, and that's the big
1:24:52
Speaker 1: play wide receiver. It's become a five pronged approach to
1:24:56
Speaker 1: winning and drafting. And if you fill those spots and
1:25:00
Speaker 1: they're all good players, probably gonna have a pretty done
1:25:03
Speaker 1: good team. That your hand was right in the camera
1:25:06
Speaker 1: there for those watching on the video, I mean, right, yeah,
1:25:11
Speaker 1: if you have those five players. If you have a
1:25:14
Speaker 1: star pass rusher, a star quarterback, a really quality left tackle,
1:25:20
Speaker 1: a corner who could play man coverage and lockdown one
1:25:23
Speaker 1: side of the field, and a big play receiver, your
1:25:26
Speaker 1: team is probably gonna be pretty good. Haven't they done
1:25:29
Speaker 1: that around here? Last few years? They thought they did.
1:25:31
Speaker 1: They just didn't pick the right guys or those guys
1:25:32
Speaker 1: are now on other teams. Think it well, Okay, the
1:25:37
Speaker 1: quarterbacks they flopped. Major quarterback drafts post them all left
1:25:43
Speaker 1: which flop, never flop. Right, there's your over, so you're
1:25:49
Speaker 1: over at that position. Pass rusher, dte fowler flop. Uh.
1:25:55
Speaker 1: Josh Allen good to be determined how good he can be.
1:25:59
Speaker 1: Chase On is the nothing um so that's you know,
1:26:03
Speaker 1: and go Way was a hit sort of but but
1:26:06
Speaker 1: he was the third round right, Yeah, sorry, we're talking
1:26:10
Speaker 1: about your your now that Tony's back. Your your approach.
1:26:12
Speaker 1: You talk about being good on the line and being
1:26:14
Speaker 1: good on the quarterback. And I have always had the
1:26:15
Speaker 1: four proNT approach. The drafting is now a five probct approach.
1:26:19
Speaker 1: You get the quarterback, the guy who knocks the quarterback down,
1:26:22
Speaker 1: the guy who protects the quarterback, and keeps those guys
1:26:24
Speaker 1: from knocking them down, and the guy who knocks the
1:26:25
Speaker 1: cornerbacks passes down on the outside of the corner. If
1:26:29
Speaker 1: you get those four and I've added the big play
1:26:31
Speaker 1: receiver because of the way the game is played now,
1:26:33
Speaker 1: but you get those five, the team is probably gonna
1:26:35
Speaker 1: be pretty good. So I would argue it's hard to
1:26:38
Speaker 1: get all those. Number One, past pass rusher is more
1:26:41
Speaker 1: important than d B every day of the week. Yes,
1:26:44
Speaker 1: of course I agree, and so like, just focus on this,
1:26:47
Speaker 1: Go find go find a quarterback, Go find a pass rusher,
1:26:51
Speaker 1: and go find people who can protect quarterback. Go do that.
1:26:53
Speaker 1: You're going to be a good team. If you can
1:26:55
Speaker 1: protect the quarterback and control the line of scrimmage with
1:26:58
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, you're gonna be good. If you can
1:27:01
Speaker 1: rush the quarterback and hit him, then guess what, your
1:27:04
Speaker 1: secondary gets a lot better. Of course, But but again
1:27:09
Speaker 1: I thought that tackle is more important than getting the guards.
1:27:15
Speaker 1: Um Drew Brees would disagree with you. He wants he
1:27:18
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1:27:23
Speaker 1: positions on his line of the right tackle. I agree
1:27:26
Speaker 1: with you, that's fair, But my point is saying this,
1:27:28
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1:27:32
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1:27:35
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1:27:39
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1:27:45
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1:27:48
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1:27:53
Speaker 1: let me tell you what you want to know. Where
1:27:54
Speaker 1: the Rams defense is. Past defense is really good. It's
1:27:57
Speaker 1: not like Jalen Rams is a big part of it.
1:27:58
Speaker 1: He's a very good player. But they're good because they
1:28:01
Speaker 1: can rush the passer with four they have thirty one
1:28:04
Speaker 1: sacks their second and there the league attack. They pressures right.
1:28:11
Speaker 1: But but again, you know, there's this whole perception out
1:28:15
Speaker 1: there now in analytic world that the dbs are more
1:28:18
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1:28:21
Speaker 1: believe it. One better with you, Let's get to our
1:28:25
Speaker 1: next question from at UCF Jaguar. How much of this
1:28:30
Speaker 1: is bad drafting versus not developing talent? Our players are
1:28:34
Speaker 1: always regressing. No way, Guys like Juwan Taylor, Josh Allen,
1:28:39
Speaker 1: and DJ Chart should be worse than they were last year.
1:28:43
Speaker 1: And I don't think DJ Shark is well he was
1:28:48
Speaker 1: banged up though. Yeah, but he's playing with bad quarterbacks.
1:28:51
Speaker 1: He's like, he better watch out. He'd end up being
1:28:54
Speaker 1: like Allen Robinson, never being able to play with a
1:28:56
Speaker 1: good quarterback. Yeah. I don't think it's I don't think
1:28:58
Speaker 1: it's dj I just a good duj um. But the
1:29:03
Speaker 1: other two have regressed, well, Josh Allen's been hurt. And
1:29:09
Speaker 1: how hurt is that? We don't know. Yeah, he's been
1:29:11
Speaker 1: hurting a couple of games. J Want Taylor has been
1:29:16
Speaker 1: as regrets or at least he don't say he hasn't improved.
1:29:22
Speaker 1: It hasn't improved. Um, I I think I mean, I
1:29:27
Speaker 1: think it's more. I think it's drafting more than anything.
1:29:29
Speaker 1: To look at the overall roster. It's the roster billboard
1:29:32
Speaker 1: than anything. If you're asking me and people, and people
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1:29:37
Speaker 1: get better and do their and but you've seen other
1:29:40
Speaker 1: guys on other teams get better from year one the
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Speaker 1: year two. But people, what would you say if you
1:29:44
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1:29:47
Speaker 1: more coaching or more player acquisition? Acquisition? We've run through
1:29:53
Speaker 1: this before. Yeah, but but you could point to a
1:29:56
Speaker 1: guy like Jawan Taylor and put it on the coach. Okay,
1:29:58
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's one off. I'm looking at fifty three guys, right,
1:30:02
Speaker 1: But but I thought Jowan Taylor was gonna look like
1:30:05
Speaker 1: a monster this year and it hasn't happened. He's been inconsistent.
1:30:09
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1:30:15
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1:30:19
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1:30:21
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1:30:28
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1:30:31
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1:30:50
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Speaker 1: fit a cool I mean he can play. I'm convinced
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Speaker 1: he could play. Yeah, I thought he would be a
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Speaker 1: the better right tackles in the league this year. Alright,
1:31:12
Speaker 1: one final question here, Um, this actually is not even
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1:36:20
Speaker 1: the Steelers knocked off the Jaguars yesterday. Three Steelers are
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Speaker 1: ten and oh the Jaguars are not there one and nine.
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Speaker 1: They've lost nine straight. It's time now for the a
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Speaker 1: f C South. How are rankings and review? You're shaking
1:36:35
Speaker 1: your head, Pete, what are you shaking your head out?
1:36:37
Speaker 1: Because stealers have a legitimate chance to go undefeated. Well
1:36:44
Speaker 1: they have for Thursday night. No, Baltimore is bad right now.
1:36:51
Speaker 1: Then they have the toughest game remaining is at Buffalo.
1:36:56
Speaker 1: You guys a game I losing that one. Yeah, that's it.
1:37:01
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen. They're gonna clinch the division
1:37:03
Speaker 1: on Thursday night essentially and be jocking for home field
1:37:06
Speaker 1: advtage of people are saying, oh, it might be better
1:37:08
Speaker 1: off if they lose a game. No, it's not win
1:37:13
Speaker 1: them all. Let's look around the AFC South. Yesterday, the
1:37:18
Speaker 1: Titans over the Ravens in overtime, thirty to twenty four.
1:37:21
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry to the house in the extra period. Pete
1:37:25
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Man, they passing game is so limited. This
1:37:29
Speaker 1: is a passing league, and you keep teams in the game.
1:37:32
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen. Uh. I went back and I
1:37:35
Speaker 1: actually was doing something on him today and I went back.
1:37:37
Speaker 1: He's starting like fifty fewer passes on first down than
1:37:40
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Josh Allen, both quarterbacks who move around.
1:37:44
Speaker 1: They gotta let him throw an early downs war. Let
1:37:46
Speaker 1: it happen. If he can't do it. Then you got
1:37:49
Speaker 1: the wrong guy. Let him let him play fast and
1:37:52
Speaker 1: free and first down. Yeah, And I mean, I think
1:37:56
Speaker 1: here's the other thing is they got. I mean, you're right,
1:38:00
Speaker 1: his ability to runs great, but it can't be everything.
1:38:04
Speaker 1: You cannot. I don't think you could win consistently if
1:38:07
Speaker 1: that's the only thing you could do. And and I
1:38:09
Speaker 1: think he's regrets because I thought he was doing I
1:38:11
Speaker 1: thought he was better last year. In the pocket, they're
1:38:13
Speaker 1: throwing the ball and now you know this was you know,
1:38:18
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of weeks ago. But Hollywood Brown their
1:38:20
Speaker 1: four and first round pick, not happy again. Zero catches,
1:38:23
Speaker 1: three targets, zero catches. But you know what to Tony.
1:38:26
Speaker 1: Teams are playing more nickel and dime against him, playing
1:38:29
Speaker 1: more man and on third down particularly, and they're asking
1:38:33
Speaker 1: him to go make the accurate throw and he's not
1:38:34
Speaker 1: making it. You know, when you play, when you run
1:38:37
Speaker 1: the ball like he runs the ball, you can play
1:38:38
Speaker 1: that zone and he'll stick it in the tight endle
1:38:41
Speaker 1: curl in the middle of it. You'll hit him for
1:38:42
Speaker 1: a past. But now there's not they're not really worried
1:38:46
Speaker 1: about it as much. In the offensive line, and the
1:38:48
Speaker 1: offensive lines beat up and you know they've got all
1:38:51
Speaker 1: kinds of issues, right, Stanley out Scurre, they bench because
1:38:54
Speaker 1: he can't snap all of a sudden, something's going on there,
1:38:56
Speaker 1: I mean, and then and then no, they didn't have
1:38:59
Speaker 1: be on to this year, which hurt them a great deal.
1:39:01
Speaker 1: But yeah, again though it's more him he's got I
1:39:06
Speaker 1: think again, this happened with Kaepernick when Roman ran the
1:39:10
Speaker 1: Kaepernick offense. Eventually it leveled off because people did they
1:39:16
Speaker 1: figure it out. Yeah, but the Titans given credit because
1:39:19
Speaker 1: they were done in that game. They were down eleven.
1:39:22
Speaker 1: I didn't think they were gonna be able and jan
1:39:24
Speaker 1: I was scattered shooting it all over the place for
1:39:26
Speaker 1: a while, and they found the way to come back.
1:39:27
Speaker 1: You gotta give their tough, their physical and that was
1:39:29
Speaker 1: a big win for them. What was what was going
1:39:32
Speaker 1: on between Harbor They kind of celebrated on the logo.
1:39:37
Speaker 1: I think the Titans and Hardball took offense to it
1:39:40
Speaker 1: and that's where they got in. There was some pregame
1:39:42
Speaker 1: stuff too, right, the Titans guys and the Ravens coaches
1:39:45
Speaker 1: were laughing at each other pre game. Yep, yep, let
1:39:48
Speaker 1: mean to say that's not that's I mean Harbor wants
1:39:51
Speaker 1: none of that. Would not well that we played it
1:39:56
Speaker 1: out on that bbel Don't you think Rabels the the
1:40:00
Speaker 1: thirty two fight off between the enda like coaches. He's
1:40:03
Speaker 1: the last one standing. Let me go through real quick. Um,
1:40:10
Speaker 1: I think Doug will get some shots in, but he
1:40:12
Speaker 1: would he would be like Pete. He would he would
1:40:15
Speaker 1: play a little dirty just because that's okay. I think
1:40:20
Speaker 1: Doug would be a good match. I mean he's a
1:40:21
Speaker 1: big dog dog would beat Doug. Would be good. But
1:40:24
Speaker 1: what about um, like back in the day, not now.
1:40:27
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera would have been a good fight back in
1:40:29
Speaker 1: the day. But Ron, I bet you still have some
1:40:31
Speaker 1: fight in him. He'd be like, okay, let me tell you.
1:40:34
Speaker 1: You know, Jack del Rio might have been that right
1:40:37
Speaker 1: Bell Belichick would have some scheme he tried to figure out. Yeah,
1:40:42
Speaker 1: we all know. Yeah, it would be even fun to
1:40:45
Speaker 1: see who would who would be? I think Rabel would
1:40:47
Speaker 1: be one of the last men's standing. I think Rivera Rabel. Yeah,
1:40:53
Speaker 1: then there's some sneaky guys like I think Anthony Lynn
1:40:56
Speaker 1: is sneaky tough. He's another one for I forgot it. Yeah,
1:41:02
Speaker 1: you would be there definitely in the end. He Carroll
1:41:04
Speaker 1: your first one out. No, yeah, he'd be one of them.
1:41:10
Speaker 1: He's out of there. Uh. Texans over the Patriots, by
1:41:13
Speaker 1: the way, bad boss, bad loss for the Patriots. Yeah,
1:41:19
Speaker 1: good win for the Texans. I mean they you know
1:41:22
Speaker 1: what the Texas did. They came out and they threw
1:41:24
Speaker 1: the ball and early down. They had been doing much
1:41:26
Speaker 1: more of that with without Phil O'Brien and Deshaun Wantson
1:41:30
Speaker 1: played better. Yeah, that's a bad loss for Patriots. But
1:41:32
Speaker 1: that's a good win for the Texas. I mean alive,
1:41:36
Speaker 1: but probably I thought I thought the Patriots would just
1:41:39
Speaker 1: Patriots run all over them. I did too, I did too.
1:41:43
Speaker 1: Didn't happen. The Colts were down big in the game,
1:41:46
Speaker 1: but they rallied to beat the Packers and overtime. The
1:41:49
Speaker 1: Packers fumbled in overtime to set up the game winning
1:41:52
Speaker 1: field goal. And this was a fun game to watch
1:41:54
Speaker 1: down the stretch. Yeah, the Packers have defensive problems stopping
1:41:58
Speaker 1: the run and the Colts. The colt should have put
1:41:59
Speaker 1: the game away in regulation. I don't know if you
1:42:02
Speaker 1: guys saw that. They're trying to run out the clock
1:42:04
Speaker 1: and they keep getting a holding penalties. It was amazing.
1:42:08
Speaker 1: They ended up with a third would could have been
1:42:10
Speaker 1: a third and third or second and thirty. It took
1:42:13
Speaker 1: him out, you know, it took him out of field
1:42:14
Speaker 1: goal range, and they punted and then Rogers went down.
1:42:17
Speaker 1: And look, the Packers have defensive issues, the Colts might
1:42:22
Speaker 1: have some offensive issues, and so it kind of evened
1:42:25
Speaker 1: out there. But they made a place where they had to.
1:42:28
Speaker 1: Is the offices are the offensive issues for the Colts
1:42:31
Speaker 1: one Philip Rivers, No, because he didn't actually play that poorly.
1:42:36
Speaker 1: I think yes. You know, you always talk about the
1:42:40
Speaker 1: Titans playmakers, Pittman starting to make some plays, but t
1:42:43
Speaker 1: Y Hillton has been a major disappointment this year. Yeah,
1:42:47
Speaker 1: all right, quickly, GUYSFC South Power rankings. UM, I have
1:42:51
Speaker 1: an idea how they're gonna go, and told you already
1:42:53
Speaker 1: spoiled I passed. No, you gotta say it. He's saying it.
1:42:58
Speaker 1: One bolt and they'll beat the Titans this week to
1:43:02
Speaker 1: really take hold of the division. Two Titans, three Texans,
1:43:06
Speaker 1: and way way down is the Jaguars. But the Jaguars
1:43:13
Speaker 1: kind of one yesterday. Here's why not only did they
1:43:15
Speaker 1: lose so they keep their draft position. The Texans one.
1:43:19
Speaker 1: So now people won't keep saying the only two wins
1:43:22
Speaker 1: the Texas got came against the jag Wire. Yeah, I'll
1:43:29
Speaker 1: agree with the same power rankings, um, although I think
1:43:32
Speaker 1: the Titans too upset the Pulps this week. You do
1:43:36
Speaker 1: dr back road games, that's top and I don't I
1:43:39
Speaker 1: don't think they will all Right now, time for the
1:43:42
Speaker 1: current not so powerful draft order NFL draft. Let's count
1:43:49
Speaker 1: down from ten to number one as it stands today,
1:43:53
Speaker 1: Panthers four and seven or draft ten, Falcons three and seven, nine,
1:43:59
Speaker 1: the Texans eight, but the Dolphins get to pick their
1:44:01
Speaker 1: three and seven. The Giants at three and seven with
1:44:04
Speaker 1: draft seventh, the l A Chargers at three and seven
1:44:07
Speaker 1: will draft six. Washington Football team at three and seven
1:44:10
Speaker 1: with draft five, the Dallas Cowboys at three and seven
1:44:14
Speaker 1: would draft fourth, The Cincinnati Bengals at to seven and
1:44:19
Speaker 1: one would draft third, The Jacksonville Jaguars at one and
1:44:23
Speaker 1: nine drafting second, and the New York Jets are oh
1:44:27
Speaker 1: and ten. They have the first overall pick as it
1:44:29
Speaker 1: stands today, I think the way Jacksonville sitting right now,
1:44:34
Speaker 1: they're almost a lot to get either Trevor Lawrence or
1:44:38
Speaker 1: Justin Fields. Well, you can't I mean you have room
1:44:44
Speaker 1: to win one more. If you win two more and
1:44:46
Speaker 1: the Bengals don't win another game, which they might not
1:44:48
Speaker 1: without Joe Burrow, then you gotta worry about people going
1:44:52
Speaker 1: Then you gotta worry about people going up to get
1:44:54
Speaker 1: that right, So don't win again. Well, my, that's my advice.
1:45:01
Speaker 1: Or win one more to make everybody feel good. Then
1:45:03
Speaker 1: you're locked in to get justin fields. If you win
1:45:06
Speaker 1: one more, would you rather he's here we go? Would
1:45:11
Speaker 1: you rather not win another one? Answers that the Jets
1:45:16
Speaker 1: lose one or win one, and no, you're gonna have that.
1:45:21
Speaker 1: You're not gonna win another one, and you're locked into
1:45:23
Speaker 1: at least two. Well, if you're gonna be fourteen or
1:45:27
Speaker 1: fifteen losses, doesn't matter, you can. So you've come aboard
1:45:33
Speaker 1: on the one of fifteen. Lock it up, right, you're
1:45:36
Speaker 1: a green. That's a lot. I'm not there yet, Peters
1:45:39
Speaker 1: in a lock for you. Oh it's a lock. It's
1:45:43
Speaker 1: a lot one of fifteen. Lock locked it in. And
1:45:47
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a good thing because if the
1:45:50
Speaker 1: Jets win one, you pick first. It depends who you
1:45:54
Speaker 1: ask that question, too, true. If it's a good the
1:45:58
Speaker 1: Grand scheme of things again on anybody in the locker room,
1:46:02
Speaker 1: the brand scheme of things. I would agree with that.
1:46:06
Speaker 1: I mean, I guarantee you if you ask DJ Chark
1:46:10
Speaker 1: and the wide receivers if they had a chance next
1:46:14
Speaker 1: year to play with Trevor Lawrence their games and you
1:46:19
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1:46:22
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1:46:25
Speaker 1: will be. A d J. Would you rather play with
1:46:28
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or win one more game? Oh? I'd rather
1:46:30
Speaker 1: win one more game. You're terrible. Would you rather have
1:46:40
Speaker 1: five seven good years with Trevor Lawrence or win one
1:46:44
Speaker 1: more meaningless game? I think that's an easy question. All right,
1:46:49
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Speaker 1: League quickly from yesterday. Some other games by the way,
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Speaker 1: The Ravens have added a few guys to the COVID
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Speaker 1: what it means to be better than the Ravens. And
1:51:15
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1:51:18
Speaker 1: And who do they bring up? Yeah, that's a good question. Who.
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1:51:25
Speaker 1: go around the league. We'll touch on Monday. Football Compy
1:51:27
Speaker 1: got Panthers over the Lions twenty to nothing. Lions are done,
1:51:33
Speaker 1: Pia Patrician, by the way. They blow out the g
1:51:40
Speaker 1: M two. Yes, I think, yes, it's so there's your
1:51:43
Speaker 1: there's more competition. I mean, you know you talk about
1:51:46
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1:51:48
Speaker 1: the Texas four four teams looking for GM's possibly Browns.
1:51:54
Speaker 1: Browns over the Eagle seventeen. Big rushing and defensive day
1:51:58
Speaker 1: for the Browns coming in here next week. They can
1:52:01
Speaker 1: run the ball, and my goodness, they've got two backs.
1:52:03
Speaker 1: They've got a good offensive line. Um that team has.
1:52:07
Speaker 1: I mean, Baker Mayfield is like an afterthought. That team. Offensively,
1:52:10
Speaker 1: it's about Cream Hunt and Nick Chubb. But the Jaguards
1:52:14
Speaker 1: get a break though. No Miles Garrett Olivia Vernon played
1:52:18
Speaker 1: well last week, though he did, he did. But that
1:52:20
Speaker 1: offensive line are they the best offensive line in the
1:52:22
Speaker 1: league right now? Tony I've only seen him one and
1:52:25
Speaker 1: the time I saw him, they're really good because the
1:52:28
Speaker 1: guards are really good. But Tonia and Teller, the center
1:52:32
Speaker 1: is good. Uh. And then you look at the right
1:52:34
Speaker 1: tackle Conquence playing well over there, and their left tackles
1:52:37
Speaker 1: starting to play better as a rookie. They're they're good
1:52:39
Speaker 1: up front. When I saw him early, the left tackle
1:52:43
Speaker 1: was coming along, really physical and the really physical player
1:52:47
Speaker 1: in the run game though, and they're good at they run.
1:52:48
Speaker 1: That's all everything they do is based on that run.
1:52:51
Speaker 1: Everything Saints over the Falcons twenty four nine. How the
1:52:56
Speaker 1: quarterback position work out Pete. Oh, everybody wanted this. This
1:53:01
Speaker 1: reminds me of Tebow. I mean, it's like, let's rush
1:53:05
Speaker 1: him up. Oh my god, Look what he can do
1:53:08
Speaker 1: is Tebow. Remember how many people held onto the Tebow
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Speaker 1: mania for years and there was one person that held
1:53:14
Speaker 1: the line and never would break and that was me.
1:53:17
Speaker 1: And I was right. And I don't think this kid's
1:53:19
Speaker 1: any good either as a quarterback. Look, all I know
1:53:22
Speaker 1: is I went there on the sidelines with Bobby Abert.
1:53:25
Speaker 1: You know Bobby Hebert, he's covered that quarterback there, and
1:53:29
Speaker 1: we were talking and Bobby and his typical cage and accent, says,
1:53:32
Speaker 1: I don't know what he sees to him? He doesn't
1:53:35
Speaker 1: think you could pass? How do you? I didn't see
1:53:39
Speaker 1: any of the game. A couple it was okay, But
1:53:41
Speaker 1: I mean, can you get excited about a team that
1:53:44
Speaker 1: when the quarterback doesn't throw a touchdown pass against the
1:53:46
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcon, we're giving up twenty eight points a game.
1:53:50
Speaker 1: Can you get excited about that? If that's what you
1:53:51
Speaker 1: want from your quarterback, then we'll give him kudos. The
1:53:57
Speaker 1: Washington over the Bengals nine borrow toward multiple ligaments in
1:54:02
Speaker 1: his left knee. Yeah, and that was bad. You hate
1:54:06
Speaker 1: to see it. You hate to see a guy having
1:54:09
Speaker 1: that kind of rookie year ago down. But you know,
1:54:12
Speaker 1: I hear today people talking about, oh, he might not
1:54:15
Speaker 1: be ready, he might not be ready. We've seen guys
1:54:18
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski tour his a c L and his m
1:54:21
Speaker 1: c L in December and played on opening Day. The
1:54:24
Speaker 1: problem is he's gonna miss all the off season work
1:54:26
Speaker 1: that he didn't get this year either, that's the problem. Yeah,
1:54:30
Speaker 1: it's too bad. Unfortunately, uh As everyone knows injuries part
1:54:34
Speaker 1: of the game, and but you just hate to see
1:54:35
Speaker 1: it in such a good young player. Yeah, Broncos over
1:54:38
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, everybody hates to all of a sudden, why
1:54:43
Speaker 1: did they take him out? If you went to him,
1:54:47
Speaker 1: isn't the whole part of playing him is allowing him
1:54:50
Speaker 1: to have those type of situations where he's downten in
1:54:53
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter to see if he can get out
1:54:55
Speaker 1: from underneath the crap. Because because Pete, they think they're
1:54:58
Speaker 1: in a playoff team and they thought, Okay, Patrick could
1:55:01
Speaker 1: bring him back. I get it, I understand that, but
1:55:03
Speaker 1: is this year are they even if they get the playoffs,
1:55:05
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a run in the playoffs, Tonty. So
1:55:09
Speaker 1: it's about building him. It's not about this year. How bad?
1:55:13
Speaker 1: How how bad did he look? Well? The offensive line
1:55:17
Speaker 1: gun just destroyed. He was getting crushed. They were He
1:55:22
Speaker 1: didn't look great, but the line was bad. And they
1:55:24
Speaker 1: had played pretty well as a group that that line.
1:55:27
Speaker 1: They're young chargers over the Jets. Herbert has three or
1:55:32
Speaker 1: more passing touchdowns and five games. That's a rookie record.
1:55:36
Speaker 1: He's good. Out of that comes out of his out
1:55:40
Speaker 1: of his hand. Uh. And he he threw a touchdown
1:55:43
Speaker 1: pass in the fourth quarter on Sunday. They went, oh
1:55:45
Speaker 1: my gosh, it just was a rifle shot between about
1:55:49
Speaker 1: three guys. He's good. He's really good. Apparently the Cowboys
1:55:53
Speaker 1: were fired up by the head coaches meeting when he
1:55:57
Speaker 1: used a sledgehammer like Gallagher and Small a bunch of
1:56:00
Speaker 1: watermelons in front of the team for the Cowboys and
1:56:03
Speaker 1: they beat the Vikings. Why did this high school remember
1:56:12
Speaker 1: the acts in the locker room? Yeah, that worked well.
1:56:15
Speaker 1: I can't stand motivational crap. If you're not ready to play,
1:56:21
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? What's the sledgehammer in the watermelons?
1:56:27
Speaker 1: What was the acts? What was the acts? Chopping wood chopping,
1:56:32
Speaker 1: chop chop chop. This punter's camp off. It's hilarious. No
1:56:38
Speaker 1: one's not the Chiefs over the Raiders five game. This
1:56:44
Speaker 1: was that was a good football game. Last time. That
1:56:47
Speaker 1: was a good football game. The Chiefs had defensive issues though,
1:56:50
Speaker 1: and look, give Derik car credit played well, but they
1:56:53
Speaker 1: have issues on defense. And then we know the Raiders do.
1:56:56
Speaker 1: Was there any doubt ma Homes is getting the ball
1:56:58
Speaker 1: going right down the field scoring and and can people
1:57:02
Speaker 1: quit raving about Jonathan Abram because he makes a big
1:57:05
Speaker 1: hit or two the guy gets that was his coverage?
1:57:08
Speaker 1: What was he doing? He comes running up if the
1:57:10
Speaker 1: home scrambles for seven yard eight yards. Those are the
1:57:17
Speaker 1: games from yesterday in week eleven, time for Monday Night
1:57:20
Speaker 1: Football and a great battle on tampat Raymond James Stadium
1:57:23
Speaker 1: in Tampa Aaron Donald Jalen Ramsey in the defense of
1:57:26
Speaker 1: the six and three Los Angeles Rams meet the Goat,
1:57:29
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Groun and Leonard for that and the seven
1:57:32
Speaker 1: and three Tampa Bay Buccaneers fire. The Cannons told meets
1:57:35
Speaker 1: Leather at eight fifteen, who you got tonight? In Tampa.
1:57:40
Speaker 1: I think Tampa will win a close game. I think
1:57:42
Speaker 1: this is gonna I want Tony because he's doing the
1:57:45
Speaker 1: game first series. If Tom Brady goes three and out,
1:57:49
Speaker 1: keep an eye on his body language, because you remember
1:57:51
Speaker 1: when he played at night time a couple of weeks
1:57:53
Speaker 1: ago against the Saints. He went three and out and
1:57:55
Speaker 1: he started as Tom moping, and it carried over and
1:57:58
Speaker 1: he moped the entire game. He was terrible. And this
1:58:01
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, Tony. This Rams team could get after
1:58:03
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Well, the bigger issues this is the last
1:58:06
Speaker 1: three games. Tom Brady is one out of thirteen of
1:58:10
Speaker 1: passes that have traveled twenty or more yards. He has
1:58:13
Speaker 1: been wildly inaccurate down the field and if you watch
1:58:16
Speaker 1: the tape, they're really inconsistent. Pete, it's like feast for
1:58:19
Speaker 1: famine is an offense. And I worry about a good
1:58:21
Speaker 1: Rams defense that can cover you on the back half
1:58:24
Speaker 1: and rush the passer. I think that, But I think
1:58:26
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers win a close game. But I don't think
1:58:28
Speaker 1: there's a lot of points tonight. I don't either. And
1:58:30
Speaker 1: by the way, that other corner Williams, is playing really
1:58:32
Speaker 1: well for the Rams. Yeah, Darius Williams. Yeah, they're They're
1:58:36
Speaker 1: good on defense, and their defensive coordinator has done a
1:58:39
Speaker 1: good job. Again, though, I want to you know, I
1:58:41
Speaker 1: think part of the reason Brady has been inaccurate. I
1:58:43
Speaker 1: think the eyes are coming down a little bit now
1:58:47
Speaker 1: because if you look at I watched the tape, the ones,
1:58:49
Speaker 1: he's not looking at the rush of the ones. I mean,
1:58:51
Speaker 1: these are guys wide open. He missed two wide open
1:58:54
Speaker 1: post patterns. One Devons won to Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown
1:58:58
Speaker 1: in the game last weekend. Mean guys wide open and
1:59:01
Speaker 1: he just sailed them. Okay, So the headline from today
1:59:04
Speaker 1: is basely Brady washed up. Yet I'm doing that. I'm
1:59:09
Speaker 1: not that guy. It'll be the clip after the game tonight,
1:59:12
Speaker 1: all over social media. Have a great call tonight, Tony,
1:59:16
Speaker 1: enjoy itally on Westwood One. Is that where you're on?
1:59:21
Speaker 1: All right, Tony MISSELLI out of here, Pete Briscoe, out
1:59:24
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