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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-23-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: He's the Shan O'Connell Show, brought you by Big Willis
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Speaker 1: on Utah's number one Sports Talk and homa b ESPN
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety two one AFM, a proud part
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Speaker 1: of Utah's ESPN Radio Network.
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Speaker 2: Happen Monday, Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 3: US Say Us Say us say.
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Speaker 2: Gold medals in Men's Olympic Hockey, in Women's Olympic Hockey,
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Speaker 2: Team USA. We are now hockey Land. Doesn't it feel good?
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Speaker 2: The first time in forty six years that the United
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Speaker 2: States has won hockey gold? And you did it against
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Speaker 2: a Canadian team that was the who's who. It's an
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Speaker 2: all star squad, as is of course Team USA in
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Speaker 2: the NHL. But Canada has the best of a previous generation,
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Speaker 2: the best of a current generation, the best two of
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Speaker 2: a current generation. What a game on Sunday morning, Milan Courtina, Italy.
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Speaker 2: The Games are over, which I'm a little melancholy about.
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Speaker 2: It's been a lot of fun having the Olympics to
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Speaker 2: care about and cover and watch. But we have another
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Speaker 2: international showcase happening this summer with the World Cup in
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Speaker 2: North America. That'll be fun to get into. Obviously, spring
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Speaker 2: balls right around the corner. March madness is even closer
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Speaker 2: than that. So thank you Winter Olympics for giving us
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks to bridge between football season and
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 4: I was.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully all of you have late church right now. I
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Speaker 2: know it goes in cycles, or I think it goes
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Speaker 2: cyclically where your church times change, but I hope you
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Speaker 2: got to wake up early and watch USA versus Canada
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Speaker 2: in that gold medal game one to one, down to
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Speaker 2: the wire overtime game three on three, Hughes with the
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Speaker 2: game winner, and just a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful finish for
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Speaker 2: not only USA hockey in the Olympics, but kind of
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Speaker 2: the Olympic game. That's like the last major major event
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Speaker 2: of the Olympic Games. And USA goes out in style
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Speaker 2: winning the gold medal. And I know that we are
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Speaker 2: a relatively new hockey market here in Salt Lake City.
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Speaker 2: It's awesome that our guy Clayton Keller gets a gold medal.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of a bummer he didn't get to play
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Speaker 2: more in this tournament. It's kind of a bummer that
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Speaker 2: he didn't play in the gold medal game. There was
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Speaker 2: some mention on the broadcast and certainly on social media,
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Speaker 2: especially when it went into overtime, how he is just
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Speaker 2: nails in three on three and that might be a
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Speaker 2: good opportunity for his speed to come into play and
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Speaker 2: things like that. Ultimately, he was not needed in that
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Speaker 2: regard and you ended up with a victory anyway.
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Speaker 3: And it look.
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Speaker 2: Not all captains are created equal, not all teams have
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Speaker 2: the same needs. Mystry of that team and its particular
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Speaker 2: lines didn't need Clayton Keller in every game to go
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Speaker 2: undefeated through the Olympics. But he's still an important part
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Speaker 2: of the team and he's bringing a gold medal back
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Speaker 2: to Salt Lake City. And more importantly than that, and
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Speaker 2: Mike Tarico hit this, I think on the broadcast, and
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Speaker 2: the generation of young people in the state of Utah
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Speaker 2: were already kind of sparked to this whole hockey thing.
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Speaker 3: Smith Entertainment Group, Ryan and Ashley Smith.
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Speaker 2: They've done a good job of helping to build infrastructure
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Speaker 2: already in this very like fledgling effort for hockey to
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Speaker 2: become a thing in the state of Utah, for the
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Speaker 2: athletes in the state of Utah to start funneling their
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Speaker 2: talents towards hockey potentially.
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Speaker 3: And now those.
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Speaker 2: Eight year old's ten year olds that we used to
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Speaker 2: be just got to watch an Olympic gold medal, one
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Speaker 2: with one of their eyes celebrating on the ice. A
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Speaker 2: dude who's sweater they probably have at home, gets to
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Speaker 2: bring a gold medal back to Salt Lake City. And
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Speaker 2: I can promise you this, they're gonna make the most
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Speaker 2: of it. From a marketing standpoint. From a grassroots hockey,
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Speaker 2: grow it effort standpoint, I'm really excited to see exactly
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Speaker 2: how that looks when Kels gets back. I know that
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Speaker 2: they've got bigger fish to fry right now trying to
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Speaker 2: make these NHL playoffs, But I didn't even think much
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Speaker 2: about it until it happened on Sunday morning that we're
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Speaker 2: all intimately aware of the nineteen eighty Miracle on ice team,
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Speaker 2: and we've all seen and heard Mike Ruzioni and company speak,
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Speaker 2: and we've seen the movie Miracle, and we know Kurt
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Speaker 2: Russell more than we know actually Herb Brooks, but most
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Speaker 2: of us, a good chunk of us, we're not alive
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Speaker 2: when that happened. We didn't to watch it on tape delay.
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Speaker 2: We didn't get to watch it for real. We didn't
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Speaker 2: get to experience the upset, the joy, the exuberance.
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Speaker 3: We didn't get to watch the media tour after.
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Speaker 2: We didn't get to see all the players on late
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Speaker 2: night television talking about how much it means to win
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Speaker 2: the gold medal. Now we get to actually like, this
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Speaker 2: is an inflection point in hockey in the United States
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Speaker 2: of America, and it's happening two years after the inflection point,
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Speaker 2: the major inflection point for hockey in the state of Utah,
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Speaker 2: and there's gonna be at some point.
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Speaker 3: I was joking with my nephew about this.
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Speaker 2: He's eleven years old, right, and I called him after
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Speaker 2: because he's of course over the moon. The team USA
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Speaker 2: won even though Conor McDavid's favorite player, and he felt
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Speaker 2: bad for Connor McDavid.
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Speaker 3: And I'm talking to.
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Speaker 2: This eleven year old, who obviously I love very much,
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Speaker 2: my sister's kid, and he's a hockey head. He lives
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Speaker 2: in Boston. His dad pours them a backyard rink. Every
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Speaker 2: year it freezes over their grass. They skate every day
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Speaker 2: when it's cold, like they are hockey hockey, hockey, right.
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Speaker 2: He's eleven years old, and he's like, man, we got
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Speaker 2: to go to the gold medal game when it's in
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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna come with you.
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Speaker 2: I said, yeah, you're gonna get me a free ticket
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Speaker 2: because you're gonna be on the team. And he started laughing,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, what, you don't think he could
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Speaker 2: do it. He's like, no, I could do it.
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Speaker 3: I could do it.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, I'm getting cheesy I'm
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Speaker 2: getting corny here, but like, why not. He's the best
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Speaker 2: player on his team right now in Boston, scored four
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Speaker 2: goals in his game this weekend, you know, and he
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Speaker 2: just got to watch Team USA win a gold medal
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Speaker 2: in that. Like ten to fourteen for me is kind
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Speaker 2: of like where the bulk of your best sports memories,
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Speaker 2: like the seminal moments, the the like core memories of sports,
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Speaker 2: A lot of them are formed in there because you
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Speaker 2: at that point, as a young person, you're deciding for
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Speaker 2: yourself what you like.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Your parents probably told you this is my favorite team,
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Speaker 2: this is your favorite player, Let's do this together. They're
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Speaker 2: deciding now for themselves, right I wish I could transport
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Speaker 2: myself into his little eleven year old brain and figure
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Speaker 2: out how much he can actually believe that maybe he
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Speaker 2: could skate wearing that Team USA sweater, And even if
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Speaker 2: it's not my own nephew, there's twenty five kids around
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Speaker 2: the country that are feeling that way, and it's actually
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Speaker 2: gonna be true for them when they're competing in Salt
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Speaker 2: Lake City. You know how cool that is the gift
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Speaker 2: that this USA Hockey team gave to our entire country
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Speaker 2: with the brotherhood they displayed with the way that they
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Speaker 2: spoke about their gratitude to be American while on the ice,
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Speaker 2: after being off like backstage all that stuff. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Hughes is smiling with a bloody mouth and three teeth
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Speaker 2: at least partially missing from something that happened nine minutes
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Speaker 2: earlier in that game, and he's just bother me, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean. It was a beautiful thing, like
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Speaker 2: you of the bald Eagles screeching, God, bless America.
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Speaker 3: Give me some John Denver through the pipes, whatever. Man.
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Speaker 3: That was a beautiful moment.
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Speaker 2: And we have a complicated political situation in our country,
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Speaker 2: just like every country does. There's these culture wars going
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Speaker 2: on that I have no interest participating in. That for
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Speaker 2: me was just boil it down. Aren't we all proud
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Speaker 2: to be Americans? Watching that group, Whether you're a hockey
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Speaker 2: fan or not, whether you're a patriot or not, you
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Speaker 2: couldn't help but feel some warm fuzzies watching that group
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Speaker 2: of young men win gold, achieve their dreams, wash out
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Speaker 2: bad memories for the generation before them and the generation
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Speaker 2: before them. I mean the ERUSIONI nineteen eighty team. Those
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Speaker 2: guys have grandkids. This age that are now in like
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Speaker 2: the Macklin Celebrini conversation.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: This is such a cool thing, and you did it
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Speaker 2: against a juggernaut squad. I heard people trying to bring
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Speaker 2: the hot takes over the weekend. This is a bigger
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Speaker 2: upset than the nineteen eighty team. It's not those were
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Speaker 2: college kids against Soviet pros. But what it is is
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Speaker 2: it's in some ways it's like better almost because it's
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Speaker 2: we have always been shoulder to shoulder with you, cana
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Speaker 2: or not always, but recently we've been shoulder to shoulder
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Speaker 2: with you Canada. Where we've got a bunch of hockey
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Speaker 2: All stars. You've got a bunch of hockey All stars.
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Speaker 2: We've got some of the best guys in the world.
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Speaker 2: You've got some of the best guys in the world.
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Speaker 2: And now we adopted this game. That is your game, Canada,
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Speaker 2: that's their thing, that is their national passion and pastime.
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Speaker 2: And we won the gold medal. We took the top spot.
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Speaker 3: Our game. Now it's our game now, Sorry Canada. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, salty.
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Speaker 2: Canadians, oh my gosh, it's the funniest thing I've ever
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Speaker 2: seen because you kind of expect it. Honestly, I couldn't
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Speaker 2: help but draw the parallels between. Like you expect a
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Speaker 2: BYU fan base to be like a little bit classier
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Speaker 2: because of their association, right, you kind of expect the
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Speaker 2: same thing from Canada because they have this reputation for
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Speaker 2: politeness and non confrontational latitudes and things like that.
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Speaker 3: But when it doesn't go their way.
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Speaker 5: Wow, the one dude who said, who's some kind of influencer?
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Speaker 5: I don't keep track of all that stuff, dude, But
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Speaker 5: the one guy that said, anybody who celebrates this victory
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Speaker 5: is a casual.
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Speaker 3: Oh all right, all right, we're all casuals.
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Speaker 5: And because we celebrated a win, they got a gold medal.
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Speaker 5: You wouldn't these guys. That's what drives me nuts, is
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Speaker 5: I understand the emotion. And I've I've been victim. I've
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Speaker 5: been someone who's who's done this privately. But the I'm
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Speaker 5: one way when when we went like if if the
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Speaker 5: US had lost that way, and and they had they
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Speaker 5: had twenty more shots than than Canada and and lose
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Speaker 5: a heartbreaker like that, and they said, oh, we were
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Speaker 5: the better team.
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Speaker 3: We were we were the better team, Like.
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Speaker 5: The Canadians would have would have been all over US
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Speaker 5: fans for doing that, and then the Canadians are doing
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Speaker 5: that themselves. Like just then, the inconsistency drives me nuts.
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Speaker 3: McKinnon did it himself. Yeah, if you be the judge
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Speaker 3: of who is the better team in this game?
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Speaker 5: All right, I don't have the scoreboard, be the judgment
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Speaker 5: guy like ABS guy.
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Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 2: That's a Colorado avalanche sour grapes.
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Speaker 3: Guess what, Canada? Now? You have to ship all the
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Speaker 3: maple syrup to us.
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Speaker 2: Belongs to us now, and all your hockey sticks and gear.
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Speaker 2: Canada's ours, all right. I'll take the Northwest territory. We'll
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Speaker 2: take Sportsnet too for.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what.
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Speaker 2: I love Calgary and the Calgary Stampede. I want that,
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Speaker 2: all right, it's ours, sorry, Canada. We'll take Calgary's space needle.
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Speaker 2: Put that in Seattle too quick instead of putting it
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Speaker 2: in a different city. Just give two space needles in
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Speaker 2: the same city. Okay, bold, bold design choice, James.
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Speaker 5: I don't hate it though, all right, Well, you know what,
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Speaker 5: let's put in Montana.
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Speaker 2: Just all got much, all of you, all of you
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Speaker 2: French speaking quebe Qua. Guess what you've got to come
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Speaker 2: move to Louisiana now, all right, our Frenchs, Yeah, sorry
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Speaker 2: about your luck. Canada, I guess what, all of you
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Speaker 2: will like it better because there's less snow.
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Speaker 3: No, it's amazing to see.
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Speaker 2: And I get it, like we are all guilty of
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Speaker 2: this where it doesn't go your way, you don't get
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Speaker 2: the one thing.
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Speaker 3: And they wanted it so bad.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no argument that the nation of Canada
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Speaker 2: wanted this gold medal more than the United States wanted them.
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Speaker 5: So it's it's in the summer Olympics. It's the same
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Speaker 5: thing for us as men's basketball is, where it's like
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Speaker 5: if we lose, if we don't win the gold, we
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Speaker 5: lose our minds.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I think I don't even like, I don't even
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Speaker 2: think that's a correct analogy. What this is is if
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Speaker 2: American football, if like whoever wins the Gray Cup in Canada,
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Speaker 2: if the if the Saskatchewan rough Riders came down and
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Speaker 2: played for the Seahawks and they're just like, all right,
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Speaker 2: you really want to see world champs. It's our Great
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Speaker 2: Cup champions versus your Super Bowl champions, and then they won,
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Speaker 2: we'd just be like, oh what yeah, well what no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: And even that's not an act analogy because it would
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Speaker 2: be taking the best players from Canada, all the best
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Speaker 2: American football players from Canada, putting them against our like
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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl tens, like All Stars.
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Speaker 3: All star game between the two leagues.
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Speaker 2: So they don't because you can always make your excuses,
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Speaker 2: right if it's what's the Seattle Seahawks, they get Donald's
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Speaker 2: their quarter If we were really doing best on best,
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Speaker 2: we would rather have like Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 2: or Josh Allen be our quarterback for that game, we
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Speaker 2: use Sam Donald.
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Speaker 3: They beat us with Sam Donald. Uh huh.
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Speaker 2: Guess what this was? All Star team versus All Star team.
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Speaker 2: This is this is why I desperately want the NFL
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Speaker 2: to figure out something here with like your state of
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Speaker 2: origin and make them care. Because everyone cared the team
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Speaker 2: USA Hockey. They cared so deeply, so much about this.
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Speaker 2: Canada cared so deeply, so much about this, and look
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Speaker 2: they they had what a fifteen shot on gold vantage
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Speaker 2: in this game and listen.
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Speaker 5: Because of that, it's not wrong to say for Nathan
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Speaker 5: McKinnon and the other sour grapes Canadian Canadian hockey fans
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Speaker 5: out there to say publicly, like they did, Canada was
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Speaker 5: the better team. But you also have to say, but
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Speaker 5: team USA won. Well here's and you can't. You can't
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Speaker 5: make an excuse to say that that Team USA doesn't
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Speaker 5: just like you make it sound like TMSA doesn't deserve
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Speaker 5: the gold medal. You can say, hey, Canada dominated that
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Speaker 5: game in many ways, but Hella Buck stood on his head.
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Speaker 5: Hats off to Team USA.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, for Connor Hellibuck, who has been
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Speaker 2: derided as being a great regular season goalie who can't
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Speaker 2: win the big one, he just won the biggest of
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Speaker 2: the big ones.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I get it.
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Speaker 2: It's different in a one game scenario than it is
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Speaker 2: over a seven game series. But he was good all
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Speaker 2: tournament long, right for this Olympic thing and maybe for Winnipeg,
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Speaker 2: maybe this transit, Maybe that was the monkey he needed
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Speaker 2: to shake off his back. Maybe he had that self
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Speaker 2: doubt of what's wrong with me in big games?
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Speaker 3: Now you were going up against the.
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Speaker 2: Murderer's row all day long, the best players in the NHL,
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Speaker 2: the minus sid the kid who was injured, Sidney Crosby,
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Speaker 2: the Canadian captain injured in this game obviously not. It
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Speaker 2: must be a serious injury or else he would have
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Speaker 2: played right. But you're turning away the best of the
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Speaker 2: best of the best. When you are stopping Cole mccarr,
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Speaker 2: you are McKinnon. McDavid. By the way, McDavid, he's screwed up.
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Speaker 2: In that overtime period. He left a puck on the
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Speaker 2: he was It was exactly what Canada wanted, right, the fastest, nastiest,
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Speaker 2: most dangerous shooter.
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Speaker 3: In the league on the attack, wearing the maple leaf and.
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Speaker 2: He's handling the puck going two hundred miles an hour
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Speaker 2: headlong toward Connor hellibuck and.
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Speaker 3: He just leaves the puck. It just gets poke checked
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Speaker 3: away from him. He didn't get a shot off, Like now,
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Speaker 3: he didn't. He skated past the puck.
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Speaker 2: He mishandled the puck and it was like, I was like,
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Speaker 2: oh crap, here it goes yeah, and he just turned
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Speaker 2: it over.
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Speaker 3: So was great on that, he said.
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Speaker 5: He said it just looked like he couldn't slow himself
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Speaker 5: down in time to actually get a shot off.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy because.
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Speaker 2: There's sour grapes about the fact that it goes three
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Speaker 2: on three. The Canadian Canadian coach, Canadian managers just like, well,
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Speaker 2: there's a reason why we don't do three on three
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Speaker 2: in the Stanley Cup finals because it's different hockey, it's
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Speaker 2: not real hockey. Timiose killed a five on three power
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Speaker 2: play in order to keep that game tied, all right,
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Speaker 2: The big like the goal is the biggest moment, and
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Speaker 2: the the say this literal skinny part the sticks save
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Speaker 2: by Hellabuck, those are the two biggest moments, right. I
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Speaker 2: think in the crease when that huge mess is happening,
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Speaker 2: and ever there's there's ten players in the crease, Canada
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Speaker 2: is hacking away the pucks bouncing all over the place.
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Speaker 2: Hellabuck goes basically down on hands and knees outside of
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Speaker 2: the crease almost or creeping outside of the crease, and
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Speaker 2: McAvoy has to put himself in goalie position, no mask,
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Speaker 2: whatever puck hits him in the chest and bounces away
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Speaker 2: like it was a beautiful team effort.
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Speaker 5: I really feel like the five on three has an
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Speaker 5: argument for being in hindsight, and I felt it in
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Speaker 5: the moment too that if tim Usa gets out of this,
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Speaker 5: if they if they kill this penalty, both these penalties
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Speaker 5: like this, that's the biggest that could be the biggest
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Speaker 5: moment in one of the biggest moments in USA hockey history,
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Speaker 5: and they did it.
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Speaker 2: Backbreaker for Canada and then Team USA right hands some momentum.
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Speaker 2: Back you got a double minor on the high stick
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Speaker 2: against Hughes, he loses his teeth and you've got four
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Speaker 2: minutes of a power play and ended up being three
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Speaker 2: minutes of a power play because then you incur what
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Speaker 2: was a hooking penalty, and so their two minute power
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Speaker 2: play overlaps, so where you've got a three minute man
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Speaker 2: advantage and then you're skating even and then they've got
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Speaker 2: a man advantage, and it was just like that's at
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Speaker 2: the end of the game for the gold medal. That
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Speaker 2: is best on best on best. And the thing with Canada, right,
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Speaker 2: I'm glad we brought up the Seahawks because that might
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Speaker 2: be the team that is the best analogy for what
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Speaker 2: Canada is right now. As an international squad defensive pairings,
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Speaker 2: you probably maybe there's a couple of Americans, maybe there's
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Speaker 2: a couple of Fins. Maybe they would put on that
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Speaker 2: Canada squad and say we could make this even better,
21:04
Speaker 2: but not in their top pairing right the forward lines.
21:08
Speaker 2: You're not probably taking anybody else from the world to
21:10
Speaker 2: mess up the lineup. They've got at least in the
21:13
Speaker 2: top two lines. And then they have Jordan Binnington in goal.
21:19
Speaker 2: It's a little bit like having the best defense in
21:22
Speaker 2: the NFL, having two really really good running backs, having
21:27
Speaker 2: an awesome offensive line, maybe the best receiver in the league,
21:31
Speaker 2: maybe the best receiver in the league, and a really
21:33
Speaker 2: nice successory piece of Burner and Rashid Shaheed. Right, you've
21:37
Speaker 2: got an awesome tight end, and then you have Sam
21:39
Speaker 2: dark In respect to Sam Darnold respected Bennington too, But
21:43
Speaker 2: it's like if we're playing that old sesame street game.
21:46
Speaker 3: One of these things is not like the other.
21:49
Speaker 2: You look at Bennington as a goaltender and he doesn't
21:55
Speaker 2: he's not cut from the same caliber that McKinnon is
21:58
Speaker 2: and mccarr is and McDavid is, and I guess you have.
22:02
Speaker 3: To have an m name.
22:03
Speaker 5: Maybe Yeah, it's like, I mean, staying in the same
22:06
Speaker 5: sport going to the NHL. McKinnon's gotta feel gotta feel like, man,
22:12
Speaker 5: my national team, the goalies the the biggest weakness, although
22:15
Speaker 5: Bennington is better than Stuart Skinner, but also my club
22:19
Speaker 5: team and the Oilers and Stuart Skinner has been has
22:24
Speaker 5: been the weakness on our All Star squad in Edmonton.
22:27
Speaker 5: Like if you're if you're a McDavid, you gotta be
22:31
Speaker 5: feeling a little bit like, man, can I get a
22:34
Speaker 5: can I get a goalie? That's that's somewhere close to
22:37
Speaker 5: to Mike caliber of a of a forward here.
22:40
Speaker 2: I mean it's and and by the way, what are
22:43
Speaker 2: you gonna do? You're gonna give the Brovsky Canadian citizen citizenship?
22:47
Speaker 5: Right, That's that's national teams. You can't do much.
22:51
Speaker 3: You can't.
22:52
Speaker 5: You can maybe, you know, we talked about the with
22:55
Speaker 5: some of the Olympics where Americans who have who have
22:59
Speaker 5: family ties to other countries and competing and competing for
23:03
Speaker 5: other countries. You could, you could look for something like that.
23:06
Speaker 5: But if you're Canada, it's like, we know we can
23:08
Speaker 5: find our own actual Canadian goalie. We ought to be
23:11
Speaker 5: able to maybe can you We ought to be able
23:14
Speaker 5: to where's Patrick Wall when you need it? Now?
23:16
Speaker 3: Walking through that he's not skating through that door.
23:18
Speaker 2: It's and look, Canada no longer comfortable with their role
23:23
Speaker 2: as our hat Okay, they want to be the they
23:28
Speaker 2: want to win the hockey stuff.
23:29
Speaker 5: We went out on the women's side and the men's side.
23:31
Speaker 5: They're coming basketball too. They got a loaded squad and
23:34
Speaker 5: basket too. And the sour grapes is hilarious to see. Well,
23:38
Speaker 5: the Hughes brothers, they're they developed in Canada. They're they're
23:42
Speaker 5: Canadian hockey kids. Okay, are you saying that we should
23:46
Speaker 5: these American citizens should play for Canada? Then you need
23:49
Speaker 5: Americans to win hockey Canada.
23:52
Speaker 2: Right, It's just like, no matter what, it's a losing
23:55
Speaker 2: argument for Canadians. And there's probably one or two Canadian
23:58
Speaker 2: transplants listening right now. It's probably getting deep under your
24:02
Speaker 2: pasty skin that.
24:03
Speaker 3: I'm saying these things.
24:04
Speaker 2: But this is this is what is so incredible about
24:07
Speaker 2: international sport, especially when you've got all these eggs in
24:11
Speaker 2: the hockey basket and you know, we are lucky enough
24:15
Speaker 2: in Utah to now start caring about hockey in Canada.
24:19
Speaker 3: This is a birthright. You are born with. This, this
24:22
Speaker 3: is the thing you.
24:22
Speaker 2: Care about in a way that is not even directly
24:27
Speaker 2: translatable to the United States, because unless you're like both
24:32
Speaker 2: of your parents were college basketball players or something like,
24:36
Speaker 2: you're probably a basketball family. In a way that you
24:39
Speaker 2: don't maybe care about baseball, you don't maybe care about football,
24:43
Speaker 2: but we spread our love right Canada. It's like we
24:48
Speaker 2: care only about hockey and sometimes we like baseball and
24:51
Speaker 2: sometimes we like basketball.
24:54
Speaker 5: There's there's plenty, there's plenty of Canadians because they're just
24:58
Speaker 5: north of us that are way in the NFL and
25:01
Speaker 5: NBA and baseball too.
25:02
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is, it is.
25:06
Speaker 5: It seems to be, at least perception wise for us
25:09
Speaker 5: down here outside looking in that even with that, hockey
25:15
Speaker 5: is still by far the passion right.
25:18
Speaker 2: And I'll say this in a time where you, as
25:22
Speaker 2: a parent are probably just like, man, I don't know
25:25
Speaker 2: if my kids can look up to the athletes the
25:27
Speaker 2: way I used to look up to the athletes. And
25:29
Speaker 2: let's be honest, we probably shouldn't have been looking up
25:31
Speaker 2: to the athletes the way we did.
25:32
Speaker 3: But we didn't have social media.
25:34
Speaker 2: You didn't know as much about people whatever, and I
25:37
Speaker 2: don't expect people to be heroes.
25:40
Speaker 3: It was really really cool.
25:42
Speaker 2: To see Team USA in their moment of glory, in
25:50
Speaker 2: the moment where again a lot of these guys are
25:53
Speaker 2: twenty somethings, right in that moment, these guys had enough
25:59
Speaker 2: presence of mind, enough emotional intelligence whatever to go find
26:04
Speaker 2: Johnny Gudau's kids and bring them into the team picture
26:09
Speaker 2: and have his sweater held up.
26:11
Speaker 3: That was.
26:13
Speaker 2: Again I cried about the Mikayla shiffer and stuff. I
26:18
Speaker 2: cried as soon as I saw that, because for people
26:22
Speaker 2: who don't know, there's the Hughes brothers, right, there's the
26:27
Speaker 2: Kachuck brothers, the Gadreu brothers were big time parts of
26:32
Speaker 2: the American hockey culture junior hockey coming up. And then
26:36
Speaker 2: obviously Johnny was the better player. Johnny Hockey. Right, Johnny Hockey.
26:41
Speaker 2: He was the leading international competition goal scorer for Team USA. Right,
26:48
Speaker 2: and he and his brother were killed by allegedly a
26:53
Speaker 2: drunk driver in a biking ass and they're riding their
26:56
Speaker 2: bikes the night before their sister's wedding, a family celebration
27:00
Speaker 2: and turns into a tragedy not only for the family
27:03
Speaker 2: but for the hockey community in the United States. Johnny
27:08
Speaker 2: was a member, would have been definitively undoubtedly a member
27:11
Speaker 2: of this Team USA probably.
27:13
Speaker 5: Would have been captain right, Austin Matthews Warden or the
27:16
Speaker 5: see he's the best, best scorer. But the way that
27:20
Speaker 5: they were that Johnny was revered, I would guess that
27:23
Speaker 5: he probably wouldn't captain in these games.
27:25
Speaker 2: Three year old daughter, two year old son, Johnny Junior,
27:30
Speaker 2: and the family was invited to Milan. We want you
27:34
Speaker 2: to come watch us, and they were like, I don't know,
27:36
Speaker 2: because obviously it's painful because Johnny should be there. And
27:42
Speaker 2: the team felt that way. The players on the team
27:45
Speaker 2: felt that way, not just like Team USA wanting a
27:47
Speaker 2: good photo op. The players on the team felt that
27:50
Speaker 2: way so profoundly that in the moment of their celebration
27:55
Speaker 2: their glory, they wanted to make sure that Johnny Hockey
27:58
Speaker 2: was involved. And they went in to the stands and
28:00
Speaker 2: they got his kids and they brought None of their
28:04
Speaker 2: kids were in the picture.
28:06
Speaker 3: The Kachuck brothers didn't go grab their kids.
28:09
Speaker 2: Nobody else went and was just like, I need to
28:11
Speaker 2: make sure I get my kid in the picture with me.
28:14
Speaker 2: They went and grabbed Johnny's kids, his three year old daughter,
28:17
Speaker 2: Noah and Johnny Junior, and they brought him into the picture.
28:23
Speaker 2: If that doesn't tug at your heartstrings, while his widow
28:27
Speaker 2: and his parents are sitting there watching these guys these
28:31
Speaker 2: uncles of the kids go and say no, no, no, no,
28:33
Speaker 2: I need Johnny to be here with me when we're
28:36
Speaker 2: celebrating our gold medal. Ban I'm getting emotional talking about
28:39
Speaker 2: it again. That's what hockey culture is and we're learning it.
28:44
Speaker 2: That's what sports culture is. That's what Mike Tarka was
28:47
Speaker 2: trying to tell you. It is a life changing thing.
28:49
Speaker 2: This is this is the stuff. These are the dreams
28:52
Speaker 2: that you should have when you're a little kid, and
28:55
Speaker 2: they all kind of came up chasing it together.
28:59
Speaker 3: I saw a tweet somebody dug this thing up.
29:03
Speaker 2: That it was after the twenty ten if I'm not mistaken,
29:09
Speaker 2: the twenty ten loss on the golden goal by Sidney Crosby.
29:14
Speaker 3: Is that the right year? Yeah?
29:16
Speaker 5: The Vancouver Games, home home game for Canada and what
29:20
Speaker 5: a dream ending that ended up being beautiful.
29:22
Speaker 3: For them, right.
29:23
Speaker 2: Oh, which, by the way, if I'm not mistaken, three
29:25
Speaker 2: on three hockey in that one, wasn't it.
29:27
Speaker 5: I don't know for sure, it probably was sure every
29:32
Speaker 5: regular season overtime game. John Cooper, head coach of the
29:36
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay Lightning, don't act like you're not used to
29:39
Speaker 5: playing three on three hockey.
29:40
Speaker 2: Also, you wouldn't have been in the gold medal game
29:42
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for three on three hockey twice in
29:45
Speaker 2: this Olympic tournament.
29:46
Speaker 5: Don't talk about better, how things should have been different.
29:49
Speaker 5: Just own the loss. You're fine.
29:51
Speaker 2: Somebody dug up a tweet from like twenty ten, twenty eleven,
29:55
Speaker 2: and it was about youth hockey participation in the United
29:58
Speaker 2: States of America. It had reached it all time high
30:02
Speaker 2: after that Team USA run to almost gold, almost glory,
30:08
Speaker 2: And whoever this was, I wish I would have screenshoted it.
30:11
Speaker 2: Whoever this was had the foresight, I'm sure, without realizing
30:17
Speaker 2: to say watch out twenty twenty six Olympics Team USA
30:24
Speaker 2: because youth hockey had reached its all time high. Youth
30:28
Speaker 2: hockey participation in the United States had reached its all
30:31
Speaker 2: time high coming off of that tournament or whatever. And
30:36
Speaker 2: that's where we're at now. Your kid, don't spend money
30:40
Speaker 2: on the xbox. Tell them you watch that on Sunday
30:43
Speaker 2: morning with us. Let's get you some skates and see
30:46
Speaker 2: what it looks like. And you know what, there's a
30:48
Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine no no, no, no, no, no,
30:51
Speaker 2: nine percent probability Your kid never gets to be Jack Hughes,
30:55
Speaker 2: never gets to be Connor Hughes, never gets to be
30:59
Speaker 2: any of these dudes.
31:01
Speaker 3: But but.
31:03
Speaker 2: Maybe they will. And just having that belief as a
31:07
Speaker 2: possibility when you're ten or eleven, or younger or a
31:10
Speaker 2: little bit older is a beautiful thing and part of
31:14
Speaker 2: our American sports culture that we cannot let die. Thank
31:17
Speaker 2: you USA Hockey for injecting a little bit more adrenaline,
31:22
Speaker 2: a little bit more life into that belief. Beautiful stuff
31:28
Speaker 2: this weekend. Thank you to the Olympics.
31:32
Speaker 3: Man.
31:33
Speaker 2: What a pleasure to be able to live in this country,
31:36
Speaker 2: to be able to talk sports in this country, to
31:38
Speaker 2: be able to care about sports in this country, to
31:39
Speaker 2: have the kind of life we have where we can
31:43
Speaker 2: pretend sports are that important, because sometimes they are. All right,
31:49
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break. Ari Tempkin's going to join us next.
31:52
Speaker 2: We have Freddy Coleman joining us at about twelve fifteen today.
31:56
Speaker 2: Isaac Shade is going to join us from the Lockdown
31:59
Speaker 2: College Basket Fotball podcast in the one o'clock hour.
32:03
Speaker 3: Really interesting things going on in the Big twelve.
32:07
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32:53
Speaker 3: All right, welcome, how are you, sir?
32:56
Speaker 6: I'm great man, and I'm super happy that you have
32:58
Speaker 6: really embraced this incredible gold medal at the US one
33:01
Speaker 6: because I don't know, I mean, I feel like there's
33:04
Speaker 6: a tension on it, but maybe not as much as
33:06
Speaker 6: there should be, given you know, it's just the third
33:08
Speaker 6: gold medal in hockey in US history. Of course, first
33:11
Speaker 6: the same nineteen eighty. But I mean, I watched Miracle
33:13
Speaker 6: with my kids Sunday night was explaining the Cold War.
33:17
Speaker 6: I know there's no Cold War implications here, but beating
33:19
Speaker 6: Canada and hockey is a huge deal. So I'm glad
33:22
Speaker 6: you're leaning into oc.
33:23
Speaker 2: Incredible and showcasing the brotherhood and showcasing the unity and
33:28
Speaker 2: showcasing how much it means to these players that are
33:31
Speaker 2: professional athletes, but they're interrupting their pro season right now,
33:36
Speaker 2: putting it all on the line to represent their country,
33:39
Speaker 2: not because it brings them fame, not because it brings
33:42
Speaker 2: them fortune, but because it matters to them to wear
33:45
Speaker 2: the red, white and blue and to bring a gold
33:47
Speaker 2: medal home. I think it's something we get so jaded
33:49
Speaker 2: in sports now, Ari, and we talk about money so
33:52
Speaker 2: often in sports right now, it's a joy to be
33:55
Speaker 2: able to say, look, how much these guys care, not
33:58
Speaker 2: because it's for their contract, not because it's for their
34:01
Speaker 2: pro team, but because it's for their country. I was
34:04
Speaker 2: just I mean, I was drinking all the patriotic kool
34:07
Speaker 2: aid on Sunday morning and I still have.
34:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, well said buddy, I mean, you're exactly right, you know,
34:12
Speaker 6: with all the money and all of the lack of
34:15
Speaker 6: loyalty in sports, you know, I mean, if you were
34:18
Speaker 6: to look at the top five players in the NHL
34:21
Speaker 6: right now, maybe one of them, Austin Matthews, would be
34:24
Speaker 6: on that list in terms of Americans, but everybody else
34:27
Speaker 6: is Canadian on that list, I mean for the most part,
34:30
Speaker 6: So you know it was you know, a huge upset
34:33
Speaker 6: from that standpoint. Look, there's really good players on that team,
34:35
Speaker 6: but I just mean, like, overall, the five ten best
34:38
Speaker 6: players in hockey in the world are you know, there's
34:41
Speaker 6: only a handful of them that are American and the
34:42
Speaker 6: top five maybe Austin Matthews. So yeah, I mean, and
34:46
Speaker 6: there's the World Cup in soccer. Yeah, we have the
34:49
Speaker 6: Olympics of basketball, but even that feels like the the
34:52
Speaker 6: you know, care ebbs and flows. There's just nothing like
34:55
Speaker 6: that that country pride and you know, I'm sure you
34:57
Speaker 6: were watching. I was actually in Park City last year
35:00
Speaker 6: in February when we had the Four Nations Cup and
35:02
Speaker 6: I was sitting at a bar in Park City with
35:05
Speaker 6: some friends watching as in the US and Canada had
35:09
Speaker 6: three had three brawls and nine seconds of that of
35:12
Speaker 6: that match, so you know, it was just it was
35:14
Speaker 6: exciting in every in every way, and I think you
35:17
Speaker 6: know very well pointed out just the pride and country
35:21
Speaker 6: that it feels like is lost in sports, and just
35:23
Speaker 6: loyalty and pride in your team and you know, competing
35:26
Speaker 6: for something larger than the name of the back of
35:29
Speaker 6: the jersey.
35:29
Speaker 3: I'm very excited.
35:30
Speaker 2: We'll move on to Big twelve stuff in college hoops,
35:33
Speaker 2: I promise. But I'm very excited to see how the
35:36
Speaker 2: lore of this kind of grows in our country, because
35:39
Speaker 2: the last time we have something like this is that
35:42
Speaker 2: miracle on ice game.
35:43
Speaker 3: It was forty six years ago.
35:45
Speaker 2: We weren't alive during that time, and yet it's part
35:49
Speaker 2: of our awareness of American sports history. And I'm curious
35:53
Speaker 2: to see how this particular accomplishment grows in that regard
35:58
Speaker 2: for the generation of kids now, the generation of adults
36:01
Speaker 2: like you and I and beyond, because hopefully it's not
36:04
Speaker 2: another forty six years before we win another one. But
36:08
Speaker 2: the fact that it was forty six years and we
36:10
Speaker 2: still reference that game and that story and the speech
36:14
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I wonder what we'll get out
36:17
Speaker 2: of this team in this game that matches it right.
36:21
Speaker 6: And look, I mean, obviously, you know the difference with
36:23
Speaker 6: the amateur players in eighty against you know, that great
36:27
Speaker 6: Russian hockey team that was all professionals and some of
36:29
Speaker 6: all the best players in the world, and the Cold War,
36:31
Speaker 6: and the fact that Russia, you know that they won
36:35
Speaker 6: gold in every Olympic before then. I mean, it's hard
36:38
Speaker 6: to sort of draw the parallel, but I think that
36:41
Speaker 6: there are some parallels there. And yeah, I mean, you know, look,
36:45
Speaker 6: anytime you're competing in sports country to country and you're
36:49
Speaker 6: an underdog, is the US. I think it resonates in
36:52
Speaker 6: a way. You know that maybe because we're so used
36:55
Speaker 6: to being the favorites and so many sports that we play,
36:58
Speaker 6: so to kind of embrace and take on the underdrug role.
37:00
Speaker 6: And look, any time we could be Canada and anything,
37:02
Speaker 6: especially something that they love, you know, like Americans, hockey
37:05
Speaker 6: is like way down the list of things that Americans
37:08
Speaker 6: care about. But in Canada, I mean there were forty
37:10
Speaker 6: million Canadians watching that, you know, more, ninety percent of
37:14
Speaker 6: Canada was watching that. I was up at seven o'clock
37:16
Speaker 6: in the morning. I know it's six o'clock your time.
37:18
Speaker 6: I don't know if you were up, but like, and
37:20
Speaker 6: I'm assuming you were, but I don't know how much
37:22
Speaker 6: your audience was up. But it's I do wonder like,
37:25
Speaker 6: as we go further and further away from this, how
37:27
Speaker 6: big of a deal this will be, because it just
37:28
Speaker 6: doesn't seem on a Monday, you know, where there wasn't
37:31
Speaker 6: that big of a deal in sports this weekend where
37:33
Speaker 6: that was such a big thing to happen on Sunday morning.
37:35
Speaker 6: It just doesn't feel like it's being embraced enough as
37:37
Speaker 6: much as I would have liked it to. I mean,
37:39
Speaker 6: we didn't have a show this morning, which was it
37:42
Speaker 6: was a joke, it was whatever. It was a mistake,
37:45
Speaker 6: But I mean I would have been in red, white
37:47
Speaker 6: and blue. I would have my face painted open and
37:48
Speaker 6: going nuts this morning, and I had it. You know,
37:50
Speaker 6: in a hypothetical world, anything's possible.
37:51
Speaker 2: Ow see, all right, let's talk a little big twelve basketball.
37:56
Speaker 2: I want to start with BYU big win against Iowa State.
37:59
Speaker 2: And you know, I've been kind of hard on BYU
38:02
Speaker 2: because it's not working this experiment. I'm like, man, I
38:05
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of confidence that you're going to
38:06
Speaker 2: be able to drive far in this tournament. After the
38:09
Speaker 2: Richie Saunders injury, and then aj de Bonce is like,
38:12
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm playing all forty minutes of this game,
38:15
Speaker 2: and I'm going to carry my team against one of
38:16
Speaker 2: the best squads in this conference and maybe in the country.
38:20
Speaker 2: And obviously he was successful in that regard. How sustainable
38:24
Speaker 2: is that for BYU? There's not a ton of season
38:26
Speaker 2: left but there's enough that I'm questioning, can he do
38:30
Speaker 2: it for twelve more games?
38:33
Speaker 6: Yeah? This was a hell of a win for BYU,
38:36
Speaker 6: and very much, you know, in your face, for the
38:39
Speaker 6: doubters like myself. And there's multiple layers to this. So
38:43
Speaker 6: let's just put the aj de Bonce and stuff to
38:45
Speaker 6: the side for a second. We'll get back to that.
38:46
Speaker 3: Okay.
38:47
Speaker 6: So number one, BYU was three hundred and fifty first
38:51
Speaker 6: in bench scoring out of three hundred and sixty three teams.
38:54
Speaker 6: You know, when Richie Saunders went down with his injury,
38:57
Speaker 6: so I think number one you point to that and
38:59
Speaker 6: be like, wow, yeah, this is the reason there, Seeson
39:01
Speaker 6: is over. What I think we maybe didn't realize. What
39:04
Speaker 6: I didn't realize is maybe just maybe because all three
39:09
Speaker 6: of those guys were so good and commanded the ball
39:13
Speaker 6: and so much attention and so much offense, that that
39:16
Speaker 6: created an environment where those other guys couldn't contribute. And
39:20
Speaker 6: so now that they need those guys to contribute and
39:23
Speaker 6: they're being asked to contribute in a meaningful way, they
39:25
Speaker 6: stepped up. I mean, Canar Davis was the second leading
39:27
Speaker 6: scorer for BYU, Like that is huge. If that is
39:31
Speaker 6: any semblance of sustainability. You know, I know I mentioned
39:34
Speaker 6: in your show sort of that Byu has just had
39:37
Speaker 6: this lack of physicality, and you know that that at
39:40
Speaker 6: the end of the day is something I think that
39:42
Speaker 6: Kevin Young needs to reevaluate. Well, Kabakaida does not. I
39:45
Speaker 6: mean he is physical, he is he does bring a
39:47
Speaker 6: defensive presence that's huge, and I think they also saw
39:50
Speaker 6: that from kadem Boop in a way that's like, man
39:52
Speaker 6: if that's sustainable. So like just the bench scoring, the
39:56
Speaker 6: contributions from guys not named Rob Right and aj Debats,
40:00
Speaker 6: I think we're huge, especially because of that season long
40:02
Speaker 6: trend that kind of showed they really couldn't score aside
40:06
Speaker 6: from their big three. Now all of a sudden, you know,
40:08
Speaker 6: when guys are needed, maybe that's going to be a
40:11
Speaker 6: huge development for this team moving forward. Okay, now to
40:13
Speaker 6: the Debansa stuff. Debansa was phenomenal. I mean, he basically
40:17
Speaker 6: had a triple double what twenty nine to ten and nine,
40:19
Speaker 6: and then I mean defensively, he was as good as we've.
40:22
Speaker 3: Seen him all year.
40:23
Speaker 6: You know, I'm a kau well, I'm a Kayu fan,
40:25
Speaker 6: and all this year we were talking so much about
40:27
Speaker 6: Darren Peterson. What we saw from Debanta is what we've
40:31
Speaker 6: been waiting to see from Darren Peterson all year. If
40:33
Speaker 6: I'm an NBA GM, I'm watching what debants is doing
40:36
Speaker 6: right now, and that is so much more meaningful to
40:39
Speaker 6: me than what Peterson's done all year, because forget about
40:42
Speaker 6: the minute stuff. But like Debansa was supposed to be
40:46
Speaker 6: a guy that could score from anywhere, it could get
40:48
Speaker 6: to the rim at will, was a great distributor and
40:50
Speaker 6: a very plus defender, and the numbers in a season
40:53
Speaker 6: long trend. What we've seen from Peterson is he's a
40:56
Speaker 6: microwave scorer and that's about it. He's not really getting
40:58
Speaker 6: to the rim. The majority of his shots this season
41:01
Speaker 6: are from three, so he's not shooting up to he's
41:03
Speaker 6: not shooting close. He has eleven assists in twelve Big
41:07
Speaker 6: Twelve games, eleven, so he is not distributing to basketball.
41:11
Speaker 6: He is not defending at a high level. So all
41:13
Speaker 6: he's doing right now is being a microwave scorer. Meanwhile,
41:16
Speaker 6: Debatsa did exactly what we've been told Peterson is good
41:20
Speaker 6: at doing. He was a true three level scorer, a
41:24
Speaker 6: true distributor, and a true defender. So I think, big picture,
41:28
Speaker 6: is it sustainable for DEBATSA. I mean, maybe not near
41:30
Speaker 6: triple doubles in forty minutes, but when you're doing that
41:33
Speaker 6: against elite competition and you get you know this big
41:36
Speaker 6: time you know quad one a win, I don't care
41:40
Speaker 6: if it's sustainable. I know that at its core, at
41:43
Speaker 6: its peak, we've seen what could possibly be. And I
41:46
Speaker 6: think both Texas Tech and BYU needed to reinvent themselves
41:49
Speaker 6: this weekend and Texas Tech got k State reinvented themselves,
41:53
Speaker 6: but BYU did against Siwa State team, and I think
41:55
Speaker 6: carries a lot more credibility because it was against Siwa State,
41:57
Speaker 6: albeit at home, but still there's a lot of credibility.
42:00
Speaker 6: I lend to the bench, scoring the bounds, are basically
42:03
Speaker 6: doing everything needed for his team to win, and you know, look,
42:06
Speaker 6: for me, it definitely raises their ceiling in terms of
42:08
Speaker 6: their potential this season because we've seen it now before
42:11
Speaker 6: we hadn't seen it.
42:13
Speaker 2: And that for me, juxtaposed against another Kansas weekend where
42:17
Speaker 2: I fully admit I'm not fair to Darren Peterson anymore
42:22
Speaker 2: because I question everything based on his lack of availability.
42:25
Speaker 2: But AJ does that in forty minutes. Peterson actually played
42:29
Speaker 2: against Cincinnati. He played thirty plus minutes, but he was bad.
42:33
Speaker 2: He was minus twenty on the game. He was one
42:35
Speaker 2: of seven from three to some of the points that
42:38
Speaker 2: you just made. And these things don't happen in a vacuum,
42:41
Speaker 2: especially with respect to that NBA drafting process that's coming
42:46
Speaker 2: sooner than later. Like if you're making those decisions and
42:49
Speaker 2: you're evaluating, I'm sure at some point they're like, I'm
42:53
Speaker 2: in person watching AJ debounce today. Let me see what
42:56
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson's doing today. Oh, that doesn't look great, or
42:59
Speaker 2: vice versa. So I don't know how big of a
43:02
Speaker 2: problem it is for Kansas. I think that they've got
43:05
Speaker 2: a good team around him. I still think that they've
43:06
Speaker 2: got the capability to win, and it maybe makes some
43:09
Speaker 2: noise in both the Big Twelve and ENCLA tournaments, But
43:12
Speaker 2: I think it's becoming a big problem for Darren himself.
43:16
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it'll be really interesting to see with Big
43:18
Speaker 6: Monday tonight and Houston and Kansas, you know, with Peterson
43:21
Speaker 6: playing those quote unquote heavy minutes, you know, will will
43:25
Speaker 6: he play you know, heavy minutes tonight because last time
43:27
Speaker 6: we saw this, he did not play on the Big Monday,
43:29
Speaker 6: following a Saturday where he played thirty two plus minutes.
43:33
Speaker 6: And yeah, I mean I think there's there's multiple things
43:35
Speaker 6: to play here, you know, from an NBA evaluation standpoint,
43:39
Speaker 6: Like you get to this part of the season and
43:41
Speaker 6: nobody's healthy, right like you ask Ad debonsa Manda man,
43:45
Speaker 6: like he's not healthy right now. You know, he's got
43:47
Speaker 6: tons of lingering maladies and soreness, and like this is
43:51
Speaker 6: what happened. Did you get to the end of a
43:53
Speaker 6: season any sport, all of the knicks and scrapes and bruises,
43:57
Speaker 6: they all add up over time. You don't get to
43:59
Speaker 6: this part of the he's in any sport and not
44:01
Speaker 6: have anybody that's fighting through adversity just to play. Nobody's
44:04
Speaker 6: one hundred percent. And I think like that's where the
44:06
Speaker 6: rubber meets the road here on Peterson, like he needs
44:08
Speaker 6: this perfect you know this this porridge is too hot,
44:11
Speaker 6: this porridge is too cold, this one's just right kind
44:14
Speaker 6: of situation in order for him to be you know,
44:16
Speaker 6: right on on, you know, in playing time. And if
44:19
Speaker 6: I'm an NBA team, like I know that if he's right,
44:22
Speaker 6: he's good. But is he able to fight through adversity.
44:24
Speaker 6: Is he to fight through some of these things, because
44:27
Speaker 6: I know that it's not as important for him to
44:29
Speaker 6: do that this year at Kansas or previously in high
44:31
Speaker 6: school because he wasn't and he wasn't asked to. But
44:34
Speaker 6: if I'm evaluating him in his totality that I'm evaluating like,
44:38
Speaker 6: I don't know his willingness to fight through and play
44:41
Speaker 6: through adversity because he hasn't shown a willingness to do so.
44:45
Speaker 6: Like if I'm going to buy and believe that these
44:47
Speaker 6: injuries that he's had over the course of the season
44:49
Speaker 6: are you know, half forge his ability to play, Either
44:51
Speaker 6: he should one completely shut it down or stop talking
44:54
Speaker 6: about how the injuries are lingering and just and just
44:56
Speaker 6: play through it like everybody else, because it's either one
44:58
Speaker 6: or the other. Either you should shut it do not play,
45:01
Speaker 6: or you know, you're just like everybody else. At this
45:03
Speaker 6: part of the year. It's all dealing with different scrapes
45:05
Speaker 6: and nicks and bruises and everything else that they deal
45:07
Speaker 6: with over the course of a demanding season that's very physical.
45:10
Speaker 6: So look, I think Cincinnati was the more desperate team.
45:13
Speaker 6: They've been playing pretty good basketball and then when you
45:15
Speaker 6: think about, you know, a month ago and Cincinnati fan
45:18
Speaker 6: shown up to games with bags in their head, and
45:21
Speaker 6: now they go into Allen Fieldhouse and do something that
45:23
Speaker 6: very few teams have done before get a win at KU.
45:25
Speaker 6: I mean, that's as impressive as it gets as a
45:27
Speaker 6: turnar on for Wes Miller. And they're now very much
45:29
Speaker 6: in the thick of the bubble race. So good on them.
45:32
Speaker 6: They were the more desperate team. They played like it.
45:34
Speaker 6: But I do think that there is a hangover with
45:37
Speaker 6: this team in terms of the WILLI or won't he?
45:40
Speaker 6: I just can't imagine this has a zero impact about
45:43
Speaker 6: the psyche and the effect of the psyche of that
45:44
Speaker 6: locker room, you know, knowing is he going to be available,
45:48
Speaker 6: is he gonna play? Is he going to play both haves?
45:49
Speaker 6: Is he going to sit out in the end of
45:50
Speaker 6: the game that this will here? Won't we won't? He
45:54
Speaker 6: has got to hang over the heads of these players
45:57
Speaker 6: and his teammates. So you know, I've been saying them
46:00
Speaker 6: all year. I said back in December that he needs
46:02
Speaker 6: to shut it down. He's doing far more damage to
46:04
Speaker 6: the team psyche than he's helping. And I know he's
46:06
Speaker 6: really skillful and extremely talented, But I'm just I'm a
46:09
Speaker 6: firm believer in the team and the chemistry and the
46:12
Speaker 6: camaraderie matters way more than anything else. And at the
46:15
Speaker 6: end of the day, as a Kansas fan an alum
46:17
Speaker 6: who knows that this is a program built on the
46:20
Speaker 6: heels of the inventor of the game and fog Allen
46:23
Speaker 6: and Wilt Chamberlain and some of the greats that we play,
46:26
Speaker 6: this program is so much bigger than Darren Peterson, and
46:29
Speaker 6: that's not the way that he's treating it. And it's
46:31
Speaker 6: like we talked about with those you know, nineteen eighty
46:33
Speaker 6: Olympic teams, like who do you play for? What's the
46:37
Speaker 6: name of the front of the jersey? Peterson's playing for
46:38
Speaker 6: the name of the back of the jersey, and that's
46:40
Speaker 6: fine because that's his prerogative. But you know, for me,
46:44
Speaker 6: as the Kansas fan and alum, I'd rather go down
46:46
Speaker 6: with the guys that are playing for the name in
46:47
Speaker 6: the front of the jersey than the one that's playing
46:49
Speaker 6: for the name of the back.
46:50
Speaker 2: Arizona's back on top with a big win of the
46:53
Speaker 2: standings for now in the conference. You know, there's been
46:57
Speaker 2: plenty of movement, not a ton of season left. Do
47:00
Speaker 2: you think the Wildcats can stay there the rest of
47:02
Speaker 2: the way.
47:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think they all but wrapped it up. Now, Look,
47:05
Speaker 6: anything can happen, but you know, going to Houston and
47:09
Speaker 6: getting a win. So now they're basically a game and
47:11
Speaker 6: a half in front of Houston, you know, because Houston
47:14
Speaker 6: has three conference losses, Arizona's two, and I remember Houston
47:17
Speaker 6: is going to try to avoid three straight losses tonight
47:20
Speaker 6: at Allen Field House on Big Monday, where Bill self
47:22
Speaker 6: is forty and oh all time, So something's got to
47:25
Speaker 6: give in that one. So, I mean, I guess, you know,
47:29
Speaker 6: any team with at least four losses is still in it,
47:32
Speaker 6: so Iowa State, Kansas, Texas, tag Houston.
47:34
Speaker 3: But it's just.
47:35
Speaker 6: A really, really tough road to climb. And I don't
47:38
Speaker 6: believe that the Arizona's gonna have more many more than
47:41
Speaker 6: two losses. If they do, it'll be three. To think
47:44
Speaker 6: that Arizona'll lose twice again seems impossible for me. So
47:48
Speaker 6: you know, I do think that they pretty much wrapped
47:50
Speaker 6: it up in terms of their win at Houston on Saturday. Ari.
47:55
Speaker 2: I always appreciate your time the USA Hawker sweater is
47:58
Speaker 2: in the mail on the way. Let's go, Let's let's
48:00
Speaker 2: drive this thing forward.
48:02
Speaker 6: You're the best I see. Take care of better.
48:04
Speaker 2: Be well, Ari Tempkin, friend of the program Big twelve
48:08
Speaker 2: today on tune in Radio. And yes we are gold
48:14
Speaker 2: medalists in women's and men's hockey at the twenty twenty
48:19
Speaker 2: six game. Hockey town is now the entire country of
48:24
Speaker 2: the United States of America. If you live in Vancouver,
48:29
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. If you're in Montreal right now, we're happy
48:33
Speaker 2: to come. We're happy to have you come over and
48:36
Speaker 2: watch hockey, and we can explain to you how hockey
48:39
Speaker 2: works down here south of the border, south of your border.
48:42
Speaker 3: At least.
48:45
Speaker 2: Hot lunch is coming next, Freddy Coleman at the start
48:48
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Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show, It's ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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Speaker 2: two one FM.
48:55
Speaker 4: We neo.
49:10
Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
49:12
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49:20
Speaker 3: Time of the hot launch of the Sean O'Connell Show.
49:22
Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM. This was
49:27
Speaker 2: the number two song on the charts in nineteen eighty,
49:30
Speaker 2: the last time TVUSA won Olympic gold in hockey and
49:35
Speaker 2: James I found what is actually hockey Town, USA?
49:38
Speaker 3: All right? I figured it out not by myself, but
49:42
Speaker 3: because we have the Internet.
49:45
Speaker 2: There's a there's a little town in Minnesota called Warroad, Minnesota,
49:50
Speaker 2: population about two thousand people. Brock Nelson, who is on
49:55
Speaker 2: the US Olympic hockey team this year, it is he's
49:58
Speaker 2: from Warroad, Minnesota. His great or sorry, his great uncle
50:05
Speaker 2: and his grandfather were on the nineteen sixty Olympic team
50:09
Speaker 2: that won US hockey gold. His uncle was on the
50:14
Speaker 2: Miracle on Ice team in nineteen eighty, and he is
50:17
Speaker 2: a member of the twenty twenty six gold medal US
50:22
Speaker 2: hockey team. Three generations, one family, one tiny Minnesota town
50:30
Speaker 2: population of about two thousand people.
50:33
Speaker 3: That is hockey Town, USA. If anywhere is.
50:39
Speaker 2: The Aromas Here in the studio have just gotten a
50:41
Speaker 2: lot more enticing and a lot better. Mike from Burger
50:44
Speaker 2: Fusion is here in studio with us, and he brought
50:48
Speaker 2: with him some sort of.
50:50
Speaker 3: I brought everything today.
50:51
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we have we have a feast on
50:54
Speaker 2: our hands today. It's a Monday edition of the Hot
50:57
Speaker 2: Lunch Homemade Chips, tallow fried. Like all the other fried items,
51:03
Speaker 2: I assume we got more of the have Aardi Fried pickles.
51:07
Speaker 2: These things are absolutely incredible. Again Burger Fusion at Trolley
51:11
Speaker 2: Square just to the south what is it the southwest
51:14
Speaker 2: of the front doors of Whole Foods have Ardi Fried
51:19
Speaker 2: pickles with the dipping sauce.
51:22
Speaker 3: Incredible.
51:25
Speaker 2: You have you have to go to the YouTube. You
51:28
Speaker 2: have to find the YouTube. Okay, James, is this hitting
51:33
Speaker 2: the camera properly?
51:35
Speaker 3: Okay?
51:38
Speaker 2: The Burger Challenge, Mike, get on that mic over here
51:41
Speaker 2: so we can hear you explain exactly what's going on.
51:44
Speaker 2: First of all, this thing smells incredible, and I'm so.
51:48
Speaker 7: That's that's actually our velvet smoke show, the peanut, butter
51:52
Speaker 7: and jelly burger. Yeah, that's the size of the Burger Challenge.
51:55
Speaker 7: The Burger Challenge is actually our bourbon barbecue burger.
51:57
Speaker 3: All right, But I.
51:58
Speaker 7: Wanted you to try this one, and I also needed
52:01
Speaker 7: to bring the Burger of the Week this week that
52:02
Speaker 7: we uh You're getting the first one today right there.
52:06
Speaker 2: Exclusive an exclusive.
52:11
Speaker 3: Exclusive Burger of the Week what is the burger of
52:13
Speaker 3: the week.
52:14
Speaker 7: So the burger of the week is a roasted garlic
52:16
Speaker 7: parmesan burger with a reduced wined mustard sauce.
52:21
Speaker 3: Wow, it's good. I who gives you the ideas? Do
52:26
Speaker 3: you just cook these things up in your head? I
52:28
Speaker 3: don't sleep anymore.
52:29
Speaker 7: The sauce, I have to admit, is from one of
52:32
Speaker 7: my vendor reps who who was in the culinary you
52:36
Speaker 7: know world for twenty years before he got into being
52:40
Speaker 7: a vendor. So I I followed his recipe. I added
52:43
Speaker 7: a little bit of horse radish because I want to
52:45
Speaker 7: just tine a bit more tang. And then the fries
52:49
Speaker 7: you're going to see today, that's the that's the amount
52:52
Speaker 7: of fries that go with our burger challenge. But so
52:55
Speaker 7: I put him in that container. But you're going to
52:57
Speaker 7: see why I use the other container for delivery, because
53:00
Speaker 7: as soon as I close that and brought it over here,
53:02
Speaker 7: they still taste great. They're just not as crispy as
53:05
Speaker 7: the ones I brought the other day because of the container.
53:07
Speaker 2: I've been singing the praises of that container that allows
53:10
Speaker 2: the steam to escape. These ones are still in great shape.
53:14
Speaker 2: But like Mike said, not quite as crispy as the
53:16
Speaker 2: ones that come in the regular container. However, that regular
53:19
Speaker 2: container does not hold the burger. Is this a pound
53:21
Speaker 2: of fries?
53:22
Speaker 7: It is, So the challenge is a three and a
53:24
Speaker 7: half pound burger and then a pound of fries. I've
53:27
Speaker 7: had one guy.
53:28
Speaker 3: Do it in twenty.
53:30
Speaker 7: Seven minutes, So you get the burger free, you get
53:34
Speaker 7: I'm gonna come up with the wall of fame and
53:36
Speaker 7: then a T shirt.
53:38
Speaker 3: Nice. If you don't do it, it's fifty bucks. So
53:42
Speaker 3: try your luck.
53:43
Speaker 2: If you're down for four and a half pounds of
53:45
Speaker 2: delicious food in one sitting, and you got to do
53:47
Speaker 2: it in under thirty minutes, for under forty five minutes.
53:50
Speaker 7: I have a forty five or last he said, you
53:52
Speaker 7: need to change it to thirty.
53:54
Speaker 2: So that's like Usain Bolt being like, you gotta make
53:57
Speaker 2: this race longer because it's too easy for me to
53:59
Speaker 2: win twenty seven minutes for that kind of meal.
54:01
Speaker 3: Man, Not everyone's gonna be.
54:02
Speaker 7: That's what I said, and he and when he came in,
54:05
Speaker 7: I'm like, are you sure you can do this? Because
54:06
Speaker 7: he wasn't a very big guy, and he's like, I
54:08
Speaker 7: exercised for two hours a day, and then I took
54:10
Speaker 7: my dog for two hour walk and I'm on performance
54:13
Speaker 7: enhancement drugs.
54:15
Speaker 3: That's all right, you got a chance.
54:16
Speaker 2: I want to know what the performance enhancing drugs are
54:18
Speaker 2: for a Burger challenge, because I could probably, I mean,
54:22
Speaker 2: I could probably get my I'm very anti performance enhancing
54:25
Speaker 2: drugs in sports, but in order to take down a
54:28
Speaker 2: Burger challenge, i'd probably yeah, i'd probably compromise my principles
54:32
Speaker 2: a little bit.
54:32
Speaker 3: There's more stuff over this.
54:34
Speaker 7: So these are the things that you haven't tried yet, okay,
54:36
Speaker 7: So these are our little desserts. Bennet Oh yes, we've
54:40
Speaker 7: got a begnet filled with cookie butter.
54:41
Speaker 2: All right, so that's speculos that. Uh okay, benyet's about
54:47
Speaker 2: that big if.
54:47
Speaker 7: You're looking at the YouTube, We've got a bennet filled
54:50
Speaker 7: with hazel nut, okay.
54:54
Speaker 3: A bennet filled with chocolate and caramel.
54:57
Speaker 7: Chocolate and caramel both, yeah, and a begnet filled with raspberry.
55:04
Speaker 3: Raspberry benyet filled.
55:06
Speaker 7: And then if that's not sweet enough, we've got some
55:09
Speaker 7: chocolate and caramel dipping sauce.
55:13
Speaker 2: This is amazing, What a feast I should have. It's
55:16
Speaker 2: actually funny breakfast this morning.
55:18
Speaker 7: Yeah, I you know, I like desserts obviously coming from
55:23
Speaker 7: my background, but we don't have a lot of people
55:25
Speaker 7: that order dessert. I think they get pretty full on
55:27
Speaker 7: the food. Yeah, but you know we have it there
55:30
Speaker 7: just in case. And second time in I'd say, order
55:32
Speaker 7: dessert first and then order you burgers.
55:34
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you're going to a burger fusion, you're gonna
55:37
Speaker 2: want to let the burgers be the star of the show.
55:39
Speaker 2: But if I have not tried the desserts yet, but
55:42
Speaker 2: if the desserts are on the same tier as the
55:46
Speaker 2: attention to detail you pay with all this other stuff,
55:50
Speaker 2: they're gonna be really good.
55:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, the desserts are good.
55:53
Speaker 7: And the one thing I didn't bring cause I kind
55:55
Speaker 7: of I was kind of in a hurry is a
55:57
Speaker 7: homemade bread pudding.
55:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll bring that next time.
56:00
Speaker 2: All right, Beignet's bread pudding, homemade chips, fries, burgers that
56:07
Speaker 2: you can get anywhere from a normal burger size all
56:09
Speaker 2: the way to three and a half pound monstrosity for
56:13
Speaker 2: the burger challenge, and normally it's the barbecue burger. You
56:18
Speaker 2: you've heard me begging for this velvet smoke show, So
56:21
Speaker 2: you you made the Burger Challenge sized version of it.
56:24
Speaker 3: Right.
56:24
Speaker 7: I was gonna do the burger you know, the actual
56:28
Speaker 7: Burger Challenge, but then I came up with the new
56:31
Speaker 7: Burger of the Week yesterday, so I'm like, you gotta
56:33
Speaker 7: try that. So we just made the Velvet Smoke show
56:35
Speaker 7: into the big one. And now you can share if
56:38
Speaker 7: you want, or you can eat eat it all.
56:41
Speaker 2: James, I'm gonna need you to just fill a buster
56:44
Speaker 2: for the next forty minutes or so while I take
56:46
Speaker 2: down this feast.
56:48
Speaker 3: All right, play an old interview.
56:49
Speaker 2: You know what we should do, just the nineteen eighty
56:52
Speaker 2: Miracle on ice game. Just play that back for everyone.
56:55
Speaker 2: Since we're all high on hockey. This just the whole game.
56:58
Speaker 2: You're gonna need all that time.
56:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
56:59
Speaker 5: Sure, he would not complete with International Break Challenge in
57:03
Speaker 5: under thirty minutes.
57:04
Speaker 3: I would not, but I would not. I would at
57:08
Speaker 3: least give it a try. We might have to do that.
57:10
Speaker 2: We might have to do that with like bring some
57:12
Speaker 2: listeners down, all of us do the Burger Challenge together,
57:15
Speaker 2: you know, have a little station event. James, you think
57:19
Speaker 2: you can pull off this Burger Challenge. You talk a
57:21
Speaker 2: lot of noise back there.
57:23
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. That's a that's a
57:26
Speaker 3: lot of burger. There, James, do it. You can do it,
57:28
Speaker 3: James James is a vegan. He doesn't.
57:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got a black bean patty burger. I can
57:33
Speaker 7: up there, you go.
57:35
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. I mean, thank you is not
57:38
Speaker 2: the right word for a feast this large. I also
57:41
Speaker 2: know working in a radio station, the vultures are going
57:44
Speaker 2: to start circling.
57:45
Speaker 3: They're gonna start smelling.
57:46
Speaker 2: They're going to hear that we have Beignet's, and suddenly
57:48
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get some knocks at the door, so I
57:51
Speaker 2: have to lock that bad boy.
57:52
Speaker 7: Why did just get an email from DJ this morning
57:55
Speaker 7: that said I'm coming back in March? So all right
57:57
Speaker 7: now I got to come up with more stuff to
57:59
Speaker 7: bring in everything.
58:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we will be We will be your
58:03
Speaker 3: guinea pigs. I love it.
58:05
Speaker 2: If everything is as good as what you've brought so far,
58:09
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna trust you and like, as long as
58:11
Speaker 2: it's not green beans, it's the only thing I won't eat.
58:15
Speaker 2: My parents made me eat too many of them when
58:17
Speaker 2: I was a kid. Can green beans frozen green beans?
58:20
Speaker 2: As an adult, that's where I put my foot down.
58:22
Speaker 2: Anything else you can feed me and I'll be down.
58:25
Speaker 3: Did you ever do what my buddy did?
58:26
Speaker 7: He hated peas growing up, so he always sat by
58:29
Speaker 7: the heat register when they were on the floor. He
58:31
Speaker 7: would dump his peas in the heat register every time
58:33
Speaker 7: they had dinner.
58:34
Speaker 2: I've actually talked to my parents about this since becoming
58:36
Speaker 2: an adult. I was such an honest young kid that
58:40
Speaker 2: I would not I mean, the garbage can was right there.
58:42
Speaker 2: They would leave me at the table. They'd all go
58:45
Speaker 2: out about their business. They'd go, my daddy go mold
58:47
Speaker 2: the lawn, my mom would go down whatever, and my
58:51
Speaker 2: brother and sister would get to leave the table because
58:53
Speaker 2: they'd finish their food. They'd be like, you sit there
58:55
Speaker 2: until your green beans are done. And I would sit
58:57
Speaker 2: there and choke them down instead of just scraping them
58:59
Speaker 2: into the gar garbage can.
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Speaker 3: Because I was an honest kid or a dumb kid,
59:04
Speaker 3: or both.
59:04
Speaker 2: I think there was a And they make fun of
59:06
Speaker 2: me now because why didn't you just throw them away
59:07
Speaker 2: if you hated it? I'm so bad well, I thought
59:09
Speaker 2: I was gonna get in trouble. I always believed my
59:11
Speaker 2: parents could see everything I did, even when they weren't
59:13
Speaker 2: in the room.
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Speaker 3: What a dumb child I was. That's funny, Mike, thanks
59:18
Speaker 3: so much, No, thank you.
59:19
Speaker 7: It's been awesome coming in and I appreciate you guys
59:22
Speaker 7: the sport, so.
59:23
Speaker 2: I promise that we enjoy it more than you do.
59:26
Speaker 2: You coming in and bringing this incredible food Burgerfusion. If
59:29
Speaker 2: you haven't checked it out yet, do it this week.
59:32
Speaker 2: We've got plenty of games, We've got plenty of things.
59:34
Speaker 2: You're gonna want to just leave the cooking to somebody
59:36
Speaker 2: else one of these nights. Go down to Burgerfusion at
59:38
Speaker 2: Trolley Square. Grab anything on the menu because it's all good,
59:43
Speaker 2: and maybe if the kids are being extra good, grabbing
59:46
Speaker 2: some dessert some of these beignets.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
59:48
Speaker 7: And it's not just the cooking. We do the cleanup too. Yeah,
59:52
Speaker 7: I mean that's the worst part.
59:54
Speaker 3: That is half the battle.
59:55
Speaker 2: Right when you make that delicious dinner, you got little kids,
59:58
Speaker 2: they only eat half of it. So you got to
1:00:00
Speaker 2: decide whether am I gonna eat half half chewed, half
1:00:05
Speaker 2: touched chicken nuggets myself or am I gonna throw those
1:00:08
Speaker 2: in the dog's bowl? Right, And then you got to
1:00:10
Speaker 2: clean up. Not if you go to Bergerfusion. Let Mike
1:00:13
Speaker 2: and Company take care of dinner for you. One of
1:00:15
Speaker 2: the nights this week, two of the nights this week,
1:00:17
Speaker 2: three of the nights this week.
1:00:18
Speaker 3: Whatever awesome. Yeah, we'd love to have you. TELEMOC sent you. Wow,
1:00:23
Speaker 3: what a hot lunch.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: I'm gonna spend the next several minutes trying to eat
1:00:26
Speaker 2: some of this.
1:00:27
Speaker 3: We got Freddy Coleman joining us in our next segment.
1:00:29
Speaker 2: Plenty left to get to on the Sean O'Connell Show
1:00:32
Speaker 2: ESPN seven ninety two FM.
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Speaker 1: This is not Sean O'Connell's show. You were home of
1:00:48
Speaker 1: the best inside of your hughes. Let's get back to
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Speaker 1: OC from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of the ESPN seven
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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two to one.
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Speaker 8: Af am Little Olivia Newton John top five on the
1:01:06
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty charts.
1:01:09
Speaker 2: We're bringing back nineteen eighty because Team USA with a
1:01:13
Speaker 2: gold medal this weekend in hockey in the Olympics, closing
1:01:18
Speaker 2: out the twenty twenty six winner Games. Just an incredible story,
1:01:24
Speaker 2: incredible team, a lot of fun to cover, a lot
1:01:26
Speaker 2: of fun to watch, and nineteen eighty was the last
1:01:32
Speaker 2: time Team USA has been at the top of the
1:01:36
Speaker 2: hockey world.
1:01:39
Speaker 3: We're playing some of the music. You know what's really interesting.
1:01:42
Speaker 2: The number one cartoon on television back then was he
1:01:46
Speaker 2: Man Masters the Universe. There's a he Man movie coming
1:01:51
Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty six, did you know that? So
1:01:54
Speaker 2: we're bringing back nineteen eighty. One of the top films
1:01:58
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty was The Empire Strikes Back. I'm a
1:02:06
Speaker 2: big Star Wars guy. A lot of people that's their
1:02:09
Speaker 2: favorite Star Wars movie, right. Maybe that's the best, most
1:02:13
Speaker 2: complete of the entire Star Wars saga that we have
1:02:17
Speaker 2: on film. Guess what else is coming out this year?
1:02:22
Speaker 2: Another Star Wars movie, The Mandalorian and grogu which is
1:02:26
Speaker 2: of course a spinoff from the Mandalorian Disney Plus series.
1:02:32
Speaker 2: So nineteen eighty had a lot of really good things
1:02:36
Speaker 2: that maybe we're bringing back. If you're Old's Mobile right now,
1:02:41
Speaker 2: you should be firing up the old factory and manufacturing
1:02:47
Speaker 2: as many of the old Cutlass and Cutlass Supreme as
1:02:51
Speaker 2: you can. That was the number one selling vehicle in
1:02:55
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, the Oldsmobile Cutlass.
1:02:58
Speaker 3: So let's bring it all back, babe.
1:03:01
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty, the glory days of us hockey and now
1:03:04
Speaker 2: we're back in him in twenty twenty six with a
1:03:07
Speaker 2: gold medal. Freddy Coleman's going to join us here in
1:03:10
Speaker 2: a few minutes on the Sean O'Connell Show. Lots to
1:03:13
Speaker 2: talk about with Freddie, who obviously does an incredible job
1:03:16
Speaker 2: on ESPN Radio. He's been doing it now for twenty
1:03:20
Speaker 2: two years in this business. That kind of sustainability at
1:03:26
Speaker 2: any place is impressive. But man, good for good for
1:03:32
Speaker 2: Freddy Coleman. I think Freddy's back. Is Freddie back on
1:03:36
Speaker 2: the East coast, James.
1:03:38
Speaker 3: There was like.
1:03:40
Speaker 2: Two feet of snow dumped on the New York metro
1:03:43
Speaker 2: area recently Connecticut. Those places are just under Yeah, a
1:03:48
Speaker 2: winter storm. I think he's a Bristol guy. I think
1:03:51
Speaker 2: he's up at the headquarters there all right, well, and
1:03:54
Speaker 2: he's probably not driving home. We're probably getting him from
1:03:58
Speaker 2: like a storage closet. Did you hear Did you hear?
1:04:00
Speaker 5: Dan Patrick and Dan it's talking about there they're living
1:04:03
Speaker 5: out of a hotel until the storm's over.
1:04:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of thing.
1:04:06
Speaker 2: They also were talking about the definition of a blizzard
1:04:09
Speaker 2: did we Did you hear?
1:04:10
Speaker 1: That?
1:04:10
Speaker 3: Part of the show doesn't have anything to do with
1:04:13
Speaker 3: the amount of snow.
1:04:14
Speaker 2: Snow accumulation is not actually what it is. It's the
1:04:17
Speaker 2: wind conditions.
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Speaker 5: It's like a it's like a snowstorm that is almost
1:04:22
Speaker 5: a hurricane, and that's a blizzard.
1:04:24
Speaker 3: Is that what we're It's like a windy snowstorm, which.
1:04:27
Speaker 2: Okay, well I kind of knew that, but also I
1:04:29
Speaker 2: thought a blizzard you had to get like two three
1:04:32
Speaker 2: feet of snow for it to be a blizzard.
1:04:34
Speaker 3: Blizzard did we?
1:04:36
Speaker 5: I mean, the wind was howling before our snowstorms last week.
1:04:41
Speaker 5: That had to have been close to blizzard the before
1:04:47
Speaker 5: the snow started and we were getting those gale force winds. Yeah,
1:04:50
Speaker 5: so you remember what was it two thousand and nineteen
1:04:55
Speaker 5: twenty twenty when everyone's trees were blown down?
1:05:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wind, the wind hurricane that.
1:05:03
Speaker 2: Was the other night before the storm the snowstorm came
1:05:07
Speaker 2: in my house was rattling that That was the most
1:05:14
Speaker 2: wind I have felt at my house since the previous
1:05:17
Speaker 2: windstorm that decimated half of the trees in Salt Lake City.
1:05:22
Speaker 2: So I was worried that we were going to get
1:05:24
Speaker 2: some stuff flying around the neighborhood. It was happening to
1:05:27
Speaker 2: be garbage night on my street. You know, the kind
1:05:30
Speaker 2: of panic you feel as an old dad when a
1:05:34
Speaker 2: windstorm starts kicking up and your trash cans are not
1:05:38
Speaker 2: tucked safely behind your house. They're out at the curb lonely.
1:05:43
Speaker 2: And the way that we always overstuff our trash cans.
1:05:46
Speaker 2: It's never like a flush all the way down type lid.
1:05:50
Speaker 2: There's always like kind of the loose tooth situation going on.
1:05:53
Speaker 2: You can see visually there's that one peak of the
1:05:56
Speaker 2: bag that you over stuffed to the top, that thing
1:05:58
Speaker 2: sitting out on the curb, and is our winds. You
1:06:01
Speaker 2: know what I'm thinking, I'm gonna have to go clean
1:06:03
Speaker 2: my my trash is gonna be scattered up and down
1:06:06
Speaker 2: the street, all of my neighbor's yards, and I'm gonna
1:06:08
Speaker 2: have to go pick it up. Thankfully, the trash can
1:06:13
Speaker 2: was heavy enough from all of our refuse that it
1:06:16
Speaker 2: stayed put.
1:06:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, thankfully the trash stayed in the can, and we
1:06:21
Speaker 5: got water. Thankfully, both of those things happened. We need
1:06:24
Speaker 5: more water, though, Oh see.
1:06:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you we need it, James, I know
1:06:29
Speaker 2: thinking about it constantly last week. Last week I took
1:06:32
Speaker 2: the girl's sledding and we were going. It was just
1:06:34
Speaker 2: you know, it was a dumping down and today it's
1:06:37
Speaker 2: fifty degrees and it's melting, and I'm just like, oh wow,
1:06:39
Speaker 2: we need more. We need a couple more of these
1:06:41
Speaker 2: winter storms. I'm looking at the I'm looking at the
1:06:44
Speaker 2: snow report, I'm looking at the the precipitation numbers, and
1:06:49
Speaker 2: it's not good. We're in the red and the orange
1:06:51
Speaker 2: in a lot of places. I need to get those
1:06:53
Speaker 2: things at least up into the yellow and green.
1:06:55
Speaker 3: Yep.
1:06:55
Speaker 5: Need looking at the looking at the old water levels
1:06:59
Speaker 5: and the big lay over here. Yeah, we need we
1:07:03
Speaker 5: need several more inches feet, I guess is what it's
1:07:07
Speaker 5: spastured in. Several more feet several inches of precipitation feet
1:07:14
Speaker 5: of water level.
1:07:17
Speaker 3: On Sunday, I was driving around.
1:07:19
Speaker 2: I was listening to the ESPN radio that was on,
1:07:21
Speaker 2: because of course you only keep it on ESPN seven
1:07:24
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two one FM, and I was I
1:07:27
Speaker 2: was listening to the conversations and the way that that
1:07:30
Speaker 2: the particular shows were trying to frame this win, this
1:07:34
Speaker 2: US Olympic Hockey gold win for conversation, right, And we
1:07:42
Speaker 2: do this thing in sports root media all the time,
1:07:45
Speaker 2: where you want to do superlatives, and you want to
1:07:47
Speaker 2: do comparatives, and you want to say, is this better?
1:07:50
Speaker 2: Is this cooler? Is this bigger? Is this as big
1:07:52
Speaker 2: as is this the biggest sense? And of course the
1:07:57
Speaker 2: nearest reference point, because we have not been the nation's
1:08:00
Speaker 2: greatest hockey or the world's greatest hockey nation in forty
1:08:04
Speaker 2: six years, the nearest reference point was that miracle on
1:08:07
Speaker 2: ice game. And there's this tendency where you want to
1:08:11
Speaker 2: compare the two things. And one of the things I
1:08:14
Speaker 2: love so much about this game and this gold medal
1:08:18
Speaker 2: tournament and this gold medal win for both the men's
1:08:21
Speaker 2: and the women's team was that it's not really comparable,
1:08:25
Speaker 2: Like the context is so wildly different and thankfully is
1:08:30
Speaker 2: not centered around like actual dangerous geopolitical tension, not on
1:08:36
Speaker 2: the level of the Cold War at least, And the
1:08:40
Speaker 2: fact that it's a much more apples to Apple's scenario
1:08:42
Speaker 2: that we're talking about right now. In the hockey world,
1:08:46
Speaker 2: where you know, Tmusa, it's great to be the underdog
1:08:50
Speaker 2: and to win the underdog story and to be a
1:08:53
Speaker 2: miracle team, and do you believe in miracles? That's maybe
1:08:56
Speaker 2: the best most iconic broadcasting call in the history of sorts,
1:09:01
Speaker 2: and it came from a situation where you were not
1:09:04
Speaker 2: supposed to win, nobody believe you could win. And it's
1:09:08
Speaker 2: that David versus Goliath thing that we are all. There's
1:09:12
Speaker 2: something in the human psyche that you want to cheer
1:09:16
Speaker 2: for David against Goliath. You want for the improbable outcome
1:09:21
Speaker 2: to come to pass so you can say I was
1:09:24
Speaker 2: there when I remembered this, whow isn't that incredible what
1:09:29
Speaker 2: these kids did? And this you know, little engine that could.
1:09:34
Speaker 2: So I don't want to compare them to directly, because
1:09:36
Speaker 2: again it's two apples and oranges. What I like about
1:09:40
Speaker 2: this one is that I want Team USA Hockey and
1:09:45
Speaker 2: more specifically hockey as we have come to embrace it
1:09:48
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City now having.
1:09:49
Speaker 3: Our own club.
1:09:51
Speaker 2: I want it to be an apples to Apple's thing
1:09:54
Speaker 2: when we get to American NHL players and Canadian NHL players,
1:09:59
Speaker 2: when it comes to the star talent that's being produced
1:10:02
Speaker 2: and deployed across our professional league and on our mammoth roster,
1:10:08
Speaker 2: I would like for the Americans to be in the
1:10:12
Speaker 2: same conversations as the Canadian greats. I would like that
1:10:16
Speaker 2: Apples to Apple's conversation to persist, the gap between the
1:10:21
Speaker 2: best American basketball players and the best basketball players from
1:10:26
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, including from Canada, has shrunk
1:10:29
Speaker 2: to disappearing. It is either not there at all, or
1:10:36
Speaker 2: dare I say it with a trembling voice, has the
1:10:40
Speaker 2: world passed us up? From an individual star standpoint, the
1:10:44
Speaker 2: best players in the NBA right now, the very very
1:10:48
Speaker 2: very best players in the NBA right now. If we
1:10:53
Speaker 2: take the top ten, how many of them are American?
1:10:57
Speaker 3: Of five or six.
1:11:00
Speaker 2: Between three and six, which means between three and six
1:11:08
Speaker 2: are or three and seven are between four and seven. Yeah,
1:11:14
Speaker 2: if I get my math up, between four and seven
1:11:15
Speaker 2: are international players about half for a little more than half. Absolutely,
1:11:19
Speaker 2: And I The thing here is US is still going
1:11:24
Speaker 2: to win, more than likely going to win gold in
1:11:30
Speaker 2: the Olympics for next cycle and maybe maybe in the
1:11:34
Speaker 2: next one after that, because Canada has a lot of
1:11:37
Speaker 2: NBA players, but they don't have the All Stars Shake Gildas.
1:11:42
Speaker 3: Alexander Jamal Murray.
1:11:43
Speaker 5: Notwithstanding that team USA has, it's the world collectively that
1:11:48
Speaker 5: has probably passed the US.
1:11:50
Speaker 3: If you could say, if you.
1:11:51
Speaker 5: Could just put all of them as under one flag,
1:11:54
Speaker 5: like that team might be able to beat Team USA
1:11:57
Speaker 5: in basketball, but like Team USA is not going is
1:12:00
Speaker 5: likely not going to lose to any one nation in.
1:12:03
Speaker 2: Basketball, which to be fair, If like, if we're gonna
1:12:05
Speaker 2: make a direct comparison in hockey, if you took the
1:12:08
Speaker 2: best Americans and the best Finns and the best Swedes
1:12:11
Speaker 2: and the best Germans French, you're beating Canada.
1:12:14
Speaker 3: You're talking hockey.
1:12:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna beat Canada. If it's Canada versus
1:12:19
Speaker 2: the world, you are always gonna beat Canada. Like you
1:12:22
Speaker 2: could have done that ten or fifteen or twenty years ago. Yeah,
1:12:25
Speaker 2: but now to have one nation on par with what
1:12:31
Speaker 2: Canada is from a hockey standpoint, we don't have that
1:12:34
Speaker 2: yet in basketball, and it doesn't is the closest. I mean,
1:12:39
Speaker 2: France has its weird little presence right now. I don't
1:12:42
Speaker 2: know how sustainable that is. I don't know how long
1:12:44
Speaker 2: that's gonna last. But Serbia, you can't take a Serbian
1:12:50
Speaker 2: team against Team USA and have them win, even if
1:12:53
Speaker 2: the best player in the world is Serbian. You can't
1:12:57
Speaker 2: take a Slovenian team. I mean, we've seen this in
1:12:59
Speaker 2: the right we know what it looks like is Canada.
1:13:03
Speaker 2: The closest in basketball from an overall talent perspective is Canada.
1:13:08
Speaker 2: If you take Canada France, We've got a summer Olympics coming.
1:13:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Canada has two or three more NBA players,
1:13:19
Speaker 5: at least in this past Olympics in Paris they had
1:13:21
Speaker 5: they had eleven out of their twelve players were NBA players.
1:13:27
Speaker 5: France has probably more stars, headlined by of course Victor
1:13:33
Speaker 5: women Yama.
1:13:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I.
1:13:36
Speaker 5: Might say France is the biggest threat to beating tam Usa,
1:13:40
Speaker 5: but Canada is probably the next biggest one. And Serbia
1:13:46
Speaker 5: will probably always get to the semi finals, if not
1:13:48
Speaker 5: metal because they got Jokic. They have Jokic and the
1:13:52
Speaker 5: rest of their team is like six eight plus. Yeah,
1:13:55
Speaker 5: and they're skilled and they're they're professional players.
1:13:58
Speaker 3: They've got not all in the NBA.
1:14:00
Speaker 5: We've got two NBA players, at least in the Paris Olympics,
1:14:02
Speaker 5: it was it was Boked Bogdanovic and Nikole Jokic and
1:14:08
Speaker 5: then the rest of the guys just they didn't turn
1:14:10
Speaker 5: the they didn't turn the ball over. They hit an
1:14:12
Speaker 5: open shot like that. That's that's all you really need
1:14:15
Speaker 5: to do when you have Nikole Jokic on your team.
1:14:17
Speaker 5: So Serbia is going to always hit above their their
1:14:21
Speaker 5: weight because they have the best player in the world
1:14:23
Speaker 5: and he's the best player in the world that is
1:14:25
Speaker 5: pass happy is as Gordiazo likes to say, so.
1:14:29
Speaker 3: That one's always gonna be tough.
1:14:31
Speaker 5: They I mean, we were live on the air when
1:14:34
Speaker 5: they had like a twenty point lead on Team USA
1:14:38
Speaker 5: in the semi finals of the Paris Olympics, and it
1:14:41
Speaker 5: put a huge scare in all of us. I mean,
1:14:43
Speaker 5: they're capable, but I would say talent wise, they're definitely
1:14:47
Speaker 5: behind France and Canada.
1:14:50
Speaker 2: And look, you don't have to do this with baseball,
1:14:52
Speaker 2: you don't you don't have to do this with other sports.
1:14:54
Speaker 2: The point stands that it's a meaningful thing from a grassroots,
1:14:59
Speaker 2: a talent developlopment, a drive your dreams perspective that now
1:15:03
Speaker 2: Team USA gets to raise a flag and play the
1:15:08
Speaker 2: anthem at the Olympics and say we are for now
1:15:12
Speaker 2: for the next four years, we have the bragging rights
1:15:14
Speaker 2: as the hockey nation on planet Earth, which is something
1:15:19
Speaker 2: that has not It's only happened three times in our history,
1:15:22
Speaker 2: and the last couple of times that happened. It happened
1:15:25
Speaker 2: in what people thought were kind of flucish scenarios, in
1:15:29
Speaker 2: these crazy underdog scenarios, and that those are better stories,
1:15:34
Speaker 2: those are more dramatic. But from a health of the sport,
1:15:38
Speaker 2: health of the NHL, health of our Utah Mammoth, it's
1:15:44
Speaker 2: probably better that you have American sports, American stars rising
1:15:48
Speaker 2: in a sport that becomes more and more American, or
1:15:52
Speaker 2: that we can make more and more American, Because again
1:15:55
Speaker 2: this is a selfish pursuit. I want for us to
1:16:00
Speaker 2: continue to grow as a hockey town in Salt Lake City.
1:16:04
Speaker 2: I want for if you were, if I had my druthers,
1:16:08
Speaker 2: it would go like this, Utah Football number one, NFL
1:16:15
Speaker 2: football number two, Utah use basketball number three, Mammoth number four,
1:16:24
Speaker 2: everything else underneath.
1:16:27
Speaker 3: And right now it's not quite there.
1:16:30
Speaker 2: Utah Used basketball is not where it needs to be
1:16:32
Speaker 2: right Utah football, I think, is in the number one
1:16:35
Speaker 2: spot at least on this station, in college football in general,
1:16:39
Speaker 2: wherever you go, is kind of the number one show
1:16:42
Speaker 2: right now in the state of Utah. I actually, I
1:16:47
Speaker 2: mean the NFL is awesome, but I would be one
1:16:49
Speaker 2: hundred percent okay with our own local interest driving higher
1:16:53
Speaker 2: because the Utah Mammoth we have a real team. We're
1:16:57
Speaker 2: not going to get an NFL team anytime soon. If
1:17:01
Speaker 2: the Utah Mammoth were good enough to take spot number two,
1:17:04
Speaker 2: and maybe we get a homegrown player or two in
1:17:06
Speaker 2: the next ten to fifteen years playing for the Utah Mammoth,
1:17:10
Speaker 2: we get more of these American guys. And I have
1:17:12
Speaker 2: no problem, by the way, with all the Canadians and
1:17:14
Speaker 2: the Finns and the Whomever's like, I'm really happy to
1:17:16
Speaker 2: see Holy Manta win a bronze medal in the Olympics.
1:17:21
Speaker 3: I know that.
1:17:22
Speaker 2: You know, he was pretty emotional about that. He talked
1:17:24
Speaker 2: about how much it means to him. It's cool to
1:17:26
Speaker 2: see that.
1:17:27
Speaker 5: Shout out to Lowry too, but he's probably thrilled for it.
1:17:30
Speaker 5: It's gonna be it's gonna be different. Right when we
1:17:33
Speaker 5: get to see Clayton Keller. He's got the sea on
1:17:36
Speaker 5: his on his sweater, the sea on his chest, and
1:17:39
Speaker 5: he's also got a gold medal. If that can be
1:17:44
Speaker 5: a more regular occurrence, If like Canada closet back in
1:17:48
Speaker 5: the next Olympics and then in Salt Lake City, team
1:17:52
Speaker 5: USA is the favorite going into the Olympic tournament on
1:17:56
Speaker 5: our home ice. And I don't mean American home ice,
1:17:58
Speaker 5: I mean like our States home ice with who knows
1:18:03
Speaker 5: playing for this team.
1:18:04
Speaker 3: In our in our city at the Delta Center.
1:18:06
Speaker 5: I doubt that now that it's an NHL arena and
1:18:09
Speaker 5: they and by that time it will be it'll be
1:18:13
Speaker 5: six years of the renovation. The full renovation has been
1:18:17
Speaker 5: done to make it a true multipurpose arena for both
1:18:23
Speaker 5: NBA and NHL. Like they're not. They're not putting Olympic hockey.
1:18:28
Speaker 5: All due respect to the Maverick Center, and they're gonna
1:18:30
Speaker 5: they're gonna do a lot of renovations there too. They're
1:18:33
Speaker 5: not putting like it was in two thousand and two.
1:18:35
Speaker 5: The hockey's not going out to the Maverick Center. It's
1:18:37
Speaker 5: gonna be downtown at the Delta Center.
1:18:39
Speaker 3: Ryan Smith.
1:18:40
Speaker 2: Ryan Smith was tweeting about this this weekend. Imagine what
1:18:42
Speaker 2: that's gonna be like when the Delta Center is hosting
1:18:46
Speaker 2: Team USA hockey, probably with at least one Mammoth player
1:18:50
Speaker 2: on that roster, hopefully more than one. I mean, Bogan
1:18:54
Speaker 2: Cooley should be on that roster. Dylan Gunther, who.
1:18:59
Speaker 5: Was who was on the Worlds with with Clayton Killer
1:19:02
Speaker 5: with Cooley Cooley, Cooley was there, right, will be playing
1:19:05
Speaker 5: for Team Canada, right, I mean, like you gotta think
1:19:08
Speaker 5: these are young guys right now. Yeah, you gotta think
1:19:10
Speaker 5: that Cooley and Keller will be both on the on
1:19:14
Speaker 5: Team USA since they were on the World's team and
1:19:18
Speaker 5: and played huge roles there. Cooley obviously not quite at
1:19:23
Speaker 5: the level to play with the team this year. The
1:19:25
Speaker 5: only thing is Keller will be like thirty six, then
1:19:29
Speaker 5: will he be the Sidney Crosby elder Statesman guy wearing
1:19:32
Speaker 5: the sea maybe?
1:19:33
Speaker 3: Maybe?
1:19:34
Speaker 2: Which again, if you if we want to be apples
1:19:36
Speaker 2: to apples, because Clayton Keller, like sid the kid was
1:19:45
Speaker 2: great from the moment he hit NHL ice, right.
1:19:48
Speaker 3: He was a he was a prodigy. He was a
1:19:50
Speaker 3: Lebron James of like hockey, like Maclin.
1:19:53
Speaker 2: Celabrini is going to be Well, he'll still be in
1:19:57
Speaker 2: his twenties in those Olympics, so he's not going to
1:19:59
Speaker 2: be indirected.
1:19:59
Speaker 1: Now.
1:20:00
Speaker 5: Well, he's similar tons of hype coming up as a
1:20:03
Speaker 5: juniors guy in college and whatever, and then a pretty
1:20:07
Speaker 5: instant star in the NHL.
1:20:09
Speaker 2: So Clayton, Clayton Keller's career has not been analogous to
1:20:12
Speaker 2: Sidney Crosby's like yet if he can continue to thrive,
1:20:17
Speaker 2: and if this team can continue to thrive, would we
1:20:20
Speaker 2: see a thirty six whatever thirty seven year old Clayton
1:20:23
Speaker 2: Keller skating on on Delta Center ice in the Olympics.
1:20:27
Speaker 2: And by the way, would whoever is selecting Team USA
1:20:31
Speaker 2: if he if his play justifies it, would they be like, no,
1:20:34
Speaker 2: we don't want Keller to be playing on home ice.
1:20:36
Speaker 2: I mean it would be again, these are the stories
1:20:39
Speaker 2: that you like to see come out of this stuff.
1:20:43
Speaker 2: And now it's a possibility, a more realistic possibility than
1:20:47
Speaker 2: it was before. They This team got a golden goal
1:20:52
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes into overtime against Team Canada that
1:20:56
Speaker 2: has five of the best eight players on the planet
1:21:00
Speaker 2: skating for them. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful game. If you didn't
1:21:06
Speaker 2: get to watch it, go watch the whole thing. If
1:21:09
Speaker 2: you can get to watch Peacock. That's the great thing
1:21:12
Speaker 2: about the new streaming service. If you got Peacock, you
1:21:14
Speaker 2: you don't even have to have had recorded recorded it
1:21:17
Speaker 2: on your cable service.
1:21:18
Speaker 3: You can watch you can find it on peacocks.
1:21:20
Speaker 2: Can you imagine what it was like in nineteen eighty,
1:21:22
Speaker 2: the last time Team USA won a gold medal in hockey.
1:21:25
Speaker 2: If you didn't watch because nobody really watched it live, right,
1:21:28
Speaker 2: so if you didn't watch the tape delay, how hard
1:21:33
Speaker 2: it was to watch the game? Like people just like
1:21:36
Speaker 2: did you record this on your VCR?
1:21:38
Speaker 3: Yeah?
1:21:38
Speaker 5: And your your neighbors just like, no, what are you
1:21:40
Speaker 5: talking about? And they didn't really do the replay at
1:21:43
Speaker 5: two am like we do now. Oh, they didn't really
1:21:46
Speaker 5: do that back then, so I did. We did to
1:21:49
Speaker 5: get some older folks.
1:21:50
Speaker 2: We didn't ask them how hard it was to watch
1:21:52
Speaker 2: the game itself, knowing that like you would want, and
1:21:55
Speaker 2: the hype was building and the story was out there.
1:21:59
Speaker 2: Now you could just on your TV and you can
1:22:01
Speaker 2: go find the app and you can play this game.
1:22:02
Speaker 3: You can watch it.
1:22:03
Speaker 2: Today, tomorrow, the next day, the next day, the next day.
1:22:06
Speaker 2: You can watch this more times than anyone who's ever
1:22:08
Speaker 2: seen the Miracle on Ice has watched that game ever
1:22:11
Speaker 2: back in the day. I want to know how hard
1:22:13
Speaker 2: it really was to find it.
1:22:15
Speaker 1: You know what?
1:22:15
Speaker 3: Remind me to ask Gordy that yes.
1:22:18
Speaker 5: He we'll have Gordy on tomorrow as we do every Tuesday. Yeah,
1:22:23
Speaker 5: that's gonna have to be a Gordy question, and Bill
1:22:25
Speaker 5: Riley will be on the show. Not as old as Gordy.
1:22:28
Speaker 5: Let's let's make that clear. Bill, he was like nine
1:22:33
Speaker 5: or ten. He he has talked about he when he
1:22:37
Speaker 5: had his show in this same time slot for as
1:22:39
Speaker 5: long as he had He talked about that almost every
1:22:42
Speaker 5: year around this time because it was part it was
1:22:45
Speaker 5: part of his iconic open Now Michaels do believe in miracles.
1:22:48
Speaker 5: Call it's It's one of Bill Riley's favorite sports events.
1:22:52
Speaker 5: So he remembers watching it on tape delay. He's old
1:22:56
Speaker 5: enough to remember that. So we'll have him on this week,
1:22:59
Speaker 5: as we do on Fridays. So those are a couple
1:23:01
Speaker 5: of guys that we ought to be able to ask.
1:23:03
Speaker 5: I promise there's other things we're gonna talk about on
1:23:04
Speaker 5: the show today. But Wow, what a significant moment, not
1:23:08
Speaker 5: only in sports, in American culture, and especially given the
1:23:12
Speaker 5: tension and the political situation and things like that. This cool,
1:23:17
Speaker 5: even if it only lasted while the television was on,
1:23:20
Speaker 5: This cool unifying thing from USA men's hockey and the
1:23:24
Speaker 5: women before them. Yeah, I do have to I do
1:23:28
Speaker 5: have to air kind of a premature grievance for my
1:23:31
Speaker 5: lovely wife. She's she's driving around, she's going out to
1:23:36
Speaker 5: get groceries after the game's over.
1:23:39
Speaker 3: I'm I'm at.
1:23:40
Speaker 5: Home hanging out with the boy, and she's got it
1:23:44
Speaker 5: on the station when she turns on the car and
1:23:46
Speaker 5: she's like, Okay, how come we're talking. How come every
1:23:51
Speaker 5: time they talk they talk about this game. They're saying,
1:23:54
Speaker 5: we haven't won a gold in forty six years in hockey.
1:23:56
Speaker 3: We won two days ago.
1:23:58
Speaker 2: They weren't saying men's tak hockey don't do that. They're
1:24:03
Speaker 2: different things. They're apples and orange.
1:24:04
Speaker 3: Well, but and I am you probably should say men's
1:24:08
Speaker 3: hockey if you're gonna and the talent pools are like,
1:24:12
Speaker 3: it's not it's not a.
1:24:15
Speaker 2: Outside the realm of possibility thing with the women, like
1:24:18
Speaker 2: are where women's hockey program has been near the top
1:24:22
Speaker 2: or at the top of the world since its inception, basically,
1:24:25
Speaker 2: but the men it's not that way.
1:24:27
Speaker 5: You probably still but but she's not arguing it's the
1:24:30
Speaker 5: same magnitude. She's saying, like, maybe say men's hockey. If
1:24:34
Speaker 5: you're saying that.
1:24:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not practical And we're not gonna do
1:24:38
Speaker 2: the thing. We're just like, we're just like the champions
1:24:41
Speaker 2: in the NBA, not the w NBA are they like,
1:24:44
Speaker 2: we're not doing that.
1:24:45
Speaker 3: That's we know and there's nothing wrong with it.
1:24:48
Speaker 2: We know that right now men's sports dominate the United
1:24:51
Speaker 2: States of America and that the women's sports thing is
1:24:54
Speaker 2: on the rise.
1:24:55
Speaker 3: And that's a great thing.
1:24:55
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful thing, but it's not going to take
1:24:58
Speaker 2: over in like tennis, this is up there, Soccer is
1:25:02
Speaker 2: up there, and those two things like great, wonderful spectacular
1:25:09
Speaker 2: in the sport that I love so much in MMA,
1:25:12
Speaker 2: when there's more equality between the genders and MMA than
1:25:15
Speaker 2: there is in any other sport, any other professional sport,
1:25:18
Speaker 2: and that's something that I think is good. You won't
1:25:20
Speaker 2: find the top billing in basketball ever go to the
1:25:24
Speaker 2: women in hockey. It'll never go to the women in MMA.
1:25:27
Speaker 2: It does, But we're not gonna get bogged down in
1:25:30
Speaker 2: the particulars of that.
1:25:32
Speaker 3: Just I think I agree though, like let's just not forget.
1:25:39
Speaker 3: No one's forgetting. No one's forgetting the women's side.
1:25:42
Speaker 2: You can't say, well, what about when the whole country
1:25:46
Speaker 2: is when the whole country is when the whole country
1:25:49
Speaker 2: is celebrating the men accomplishing what they accomplished, you don't say, well,
1:25:53
Speaker 2: why aren't you talking about what about the women? Like, yeah,
1:25:56
Speaker 2: well what about the skiers, what about the figure skaters.
1:25:59
Speaker 3: It's a bigger deal. It's hockey, and it happened yesterday,
1:26:04
Speaker 3: not three days ago.
1:26:05
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's too much to ask to
1:26:06
Speaker 5: say when you say you haven't won in forty six
1:26:08
Speaker 5: years in hockey, to say you haven't won in forty
1:26:11
Speaker 5: six years in men's hockey, I don't think it's See
1:26:13
Speaker 5: what's to say to add one more word?
1:26:14
Speaker 2: You could do that on your show, James, because what
1:26:18
Speaker 2: we're doing when we're doing that and be like, well,
1:26:21
Speaker 2: make sure you don't forget it. I mean, it's like
1:26:23
Speaker 2: you're you're asking everyone to maintain their level of political
1:26:28
Speaker 2: correctness all the time, and it's just not conducive to
1:26:31
Speaker 2: enjoyment for people if you have to delineate every set.
1:26:36
Speaker 3: Well, we know we're talking about Team USA.
1:26:40
Speaker 2: And by the way, we said many times on the
1:26:41
Speaker 2: show today, the man and the women both won golds,
1:26:44
Speaker 2: and they both did it against Canada, and they both
1:26:45
Speaker 2: did it two to one and they both did it
1:26:47
Speaker 2: in overtime. We're celebrating all of it, but it is
1:26:53
Speaker 2: a greater magnitude, a greater conversation point on the men's side,
1:26:56
Speaker 2: and anyone who disputes that is just.
1:26:58
Speaker 3: Not living in the reality of sports.
1:27:02
Speaker 2: The Daily Dump is next on the Sean O'Connell Show
1:27:04
Speaker 2: at ESPN seven hundred n.
1:27:14
Speaker 3: All those warm fuzzies I was giving you about Team USA.
1:27:18
Speaker 2: Beating Canada in not one, but two gold medal games
1:27:22
Speaker 2: in hockey this past weekend, that that all goes out
1:27:26
Speaker 2: the window now because we're getting back into how American
1:27:28
Speaker 2: sports really is these days. I have been following the
1:27:33
Speaker 2: Charles Bettiaco saga at the University of Alabama's basketball team
1:27:37
Speaker 2: closer than anyone in Salt Lake City has a right to.
1:27:42
Speaker 2: So if you if you need a refresher, this is
1:27:46
Speaker 2: a young man who is playing professional basketball.
1:27:50
Speaker 3: In the NBA.
1:27:51
Speaker 2: Did not play actual NBA minutes, but a guy who
1:27:54
Speaker 2: got drafted and was with the Detroit Pistons and in
1:27:59
Speaker 2: their G league and then he said, no, I want
1:28:00
Speaker 2: to come back and I want to play college basketball,
1:28:04
Speaker 2: and Alabama was like, okay, cool, we'd love to have you.
1:28:09
Speaker 2: And the judge in Alabama who was on his case
1:28:12
Speaker 2: happened to be an Alabama Crimson Tide booster. So I
1:28:15
Speaker 2: was greasing the wheels and making this happen easily. And
1:28:19
Speaker 2: then everyone in the world got wise and was just like,
1:28:23
Speaker 2: there's a conflict of interest there. Justice will not be
1:28:26
Speaker 2: done if this person who only cares about Alabama basketball
1:28:31
Speaker 2: is the one deciding the legality of this process.
1:28:34
Speaker 3: So the judge had to recuse himself, and.
1:28:38
Speaker 2: The new authorities were just like, Nope, sorry, Charles, you
1:28:42
Speaker 2: cannot play. He was denied a preliminary injunction against the NCAA.
1:28:48
Speaker 2: He is not eligible eligible to play at Alabama anymore
1:28:51
Speaker 2: this season. He's not giving up the fight, rather than
1:28:53
Speaker 2: just saying, okay, fine, I'll go back to the G League.
1:28:57
Speaker 3: I'll go back.
1:28:58
Speaker 2: I'll try to play overseas for a while and see
1:29:00
Speaker 2: if I can work my way back into NBA circles.
1:29:04
Speaker 3: He is now going to the Alabama Supreme Court.
1:29:10
Speaker 2: My kids do this to me sometimes, right, We've all
1:29:14
Speaker 2: done this at some point, Hey, can I do this?
1:29:18
Speaker 4: No?
1:29:18
Speaker 3: You can't? Why not? Because I said so? But I
1:29:25
Speaker 3: want to too? Bad?
1:29:27
Speaker 2: No Candy, And instead of taking the no they wait
1:29:33
Speaker 2: like six minutes. You go downstairs to clean something up,
1:29:37
Speaker 2: you go outside to see what the dog's doing.
1:29:39
Speaker 3: You come back in and you catch the kid. Mom,
1:29:44
Speaker 3: can I have this piece of cake?
1:29:45
Speaker 4: Hay?
1:29:45
Speaker 3: Now, no, no, out.
1:29:47
Speaker 2: You don't just go to a different authority after you're
1:29:49
Speaker 2: told no. And that is very much something we do
1:29:52
Speaker 2: in the United States of America. And that's what Charles
1:29:54
Speaker 2: Bediako is doing at Alabama.
1:29:57
Speaker 3: Stop it.
1:29:58
Speaker 2: Just go play pro basketball. You decided to go pro early,
1:30:02
Speaker 2: go live with the consequences of that. You're a good player.
1:30:05
Speaker 2: Maybe you have to spend some time in Morocco playing
1:30:08
Speaker 2: pro basketball.
1:30:09
Speaker 3: Maybe you got to go to New Zealand.
1:30:11
Speaker 2: All right, expand your horizons, go make a little bit
1:30:14
Speaker 2: of money, get yourself back on the NBA's radar. Stop
1:30:17
Speaker 2: with the college basketball after pro basketball stuff.
1:30:20
Speaker 3: We don't need to see it. We don't want to
1:30:22
Speaker 3: see it. I'm done with it. So there's that.
1:30:31
Speaker 2: Another question I have that is somewhat related to the
1:30:35
Speaker 2: hockey team. Well, it's very directly related to the hockey team.
1:30:39
Speaker 2: When you lose teeth in a hockey game, are you
1:30:46
Speaker 2: traveling like closing ceremonies, flying back from Italy all that stuff.
1:30:51
Speaker 2: Are you doing that with broken teeth or are you
1:30:55
Speaker 2: going to the team dentist and having them do like
1:30:59
Speaker 2: a prairie, a full time replacement, a full workup, a
1:31:04
Speaker 2: minor workup.
1:31:05
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to get some type of insight on this.
1:31:09
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll have Tom Callahan. He would know. Adrian Danny
1:31:12
Speaker 3: probably knows. But I'm curious because I have told.
1:31:17
Speaker 2: You many many times I'm the biggest baby on the
1:31:19
Speaker 2: planet when it comes to specifically mouth pain pain in
1:31:23
Speaker 2: the mouth. If you tell me, like, all right, go
1:31:29
Speaker 2: back out and skate and help us win a gold
1:31:31
Speaker 2: medal with broken teeth, I'm gonna do it. But then
1:31:34
Speaker 2: if you're like, also go through the celebration and the
1:31:36
Speaker 2: closing ceremonies and the flight back home with broken teeth,
1:31:39
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like, absolutely not. I am crying because
1:31:43
Speaker 2: of that nerve sensitivity in your teeth.
1:31:46
Speaker 3: I will not do this. I want to know the
1:31:50
Speaker 3: timeline on getting those teeth fixed, because hockey players just
1:31:54
Speaker 3: do it.
1:31:54
Speaker 2: They just casually are like, whatever, I broke my teeth,
1:31:58
Speaker 2: No big deal. It's an insane thing. We touched on
1:32:08
Speaker 2: this with Ari Tempkin, the Darren Peterson. Saga continues with Kansas.
1:32:15
Speaker 3: Now, I gotta be fair to the kid.
1:32:17
Speaker 2: He didn't remove himself from the game, he didn't bench
1:32:21
Speaker 2: himself at halftime.
1:32:23
Speaker 3: He just had a really really bad game for Kansas.
1:32:27
Speaker 3: And the.
1:32:31
Speaker 2: Ability to extricate inconsistency in someone's play from the fact
1:32:38
Speaker 2: that they're inconsistently available would be impossible for me to do.
1:32:42
Speaker 2: I don't know where this is handled, how this is
1:32:45
Speaker 2: handled by Bill self in Kansas, and I know that
1:32:48
Speaker 2: I'm getting to a point where I'm probably overly obsessive
1:32:51
Speaker 2: about this Kansas kid who were not going to care
1:32:53
Speaker 2: about six months from now. But it is Big twelve basketball,
1:32:57
Speaker 2: and he is someone who is alleged the shoulder to
1:33:00
Speaker 2: shoulder head to head with aj Debonsa and Cam Boozer
1:33:04
Speaker 2: and some of these guys for being maybe the top
1:33:06
Speaker 2: picks in the in the nation in this upcoming NBA draft,
1:33:09
Speaker 2: And obviously the Utah Jazz are in that conversation, and
1:33:12
Speaker 2: I keep looking at this guy and I'm like, all right, well,
1:33:14
Speaker 2: it's cool that he's available today. But when a guy's
1:33:18
Speaker 2: available and inconsistent are available and not good, how do
1:33:22
Speaker 2: you then say, well, that has nothing to do with
1:33:25
Speaker 2: the fact that he took himself out of games and
1:33:27
Speaker 2: he's he's taken half the minutes available to him this
1:33:31
Speaker 2: year to improve and be more consistent. It's just the
1:33:38
Speaker 2: opposite of a positive team culture. And it's something that
1:33:42
Speaker 2: seems to be flirted with and then kind of like
1:33:46
Speaker 2: talked around and then talked directly about, and now everyone
1:33:51
Speaker 2: just openly questions it and we're getting zero real response
1:33:56
Speaker 2: from Darren Peterson on it, none like.
1:34:03
Speaker 3: Supposedly. I mean, if this was Jimmer Fredette.
1:34:07
Speaker 2: Back in the day, if this was Zion Williamson, if
1:34:11
Speaker 2: this was Kyrie, if this was any of these guys
1:34:14
Speaker 2: really good college basketball players who have come through and
1:34:16
Speaker 2: hoped for good things in the NBA and they were
1:34:18
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I'm I'm not gonna play that much,
1:34:21
Speaker 2: we would be like, what is happening? Give us a
1:34:23
Speaker 2: real reason, give us a better explanation on this. And
1:34:28
Speaker 2: Kansas shields a freshman from being available to the media,
1:34:32
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Speaker 2: anything that's in that furnace room, your water softener. They've
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Speaker 3: Did you see this?
1:35:15
Speaker 5: OCUVU is in court right now seeking a temporary restraining
1:35:21
Speaker 5: order in order for right now. This week is the
1:35:26
Speaker 5: Track and Field Whack Tournament.
1:35:29
Speaker 3: Hearing is live right now. It's going on right now.
1:35:31
Speaker 5: Our guy Bryce Larson at Larson Sports on Twitter is
1:35:34
Speaker 5: live tweeting the hearing, so so check that out. They
1:35:39
Speaker 5: are both both legal teams Utah Valley University and the Whack.
1:35:45
Speaker 5: They've they've given their arguments. They're I think they're close
1:35:50
Speaker 5: to deliberating. The judge is close to figuring out what
1:35:53
Speaker 5: they want to do here. But that the distemporary restraint.
1:35:57
Speaker 5: We're've been talking a lot with Bryce the few days
1:36:00
Speaker 5: about this to take a good a good sense of
1:36:03
Speaker 5: what's going on and we're gonna get Bryce on the
1:36:05
Speaker 5: show tomorrow by the way, to talk to talk about this.
1:36:08
Speaker 3: Oh see.
1:36:08
Speaker 5: But the temporary restrainting order would give them two weeks,
1:36:14
Speaker 5: so that basically says you can't restrict us from playing
1:36:19
Speaker 5: postseason basketball or postseason sports in the WHAC for two weeks,
1:36:26
Speaker 5: and then on Friday there they are seeking there's a
1:36:30
Speaker 5: different hearing, seeking a preliminary injunction, which would basically say
1:36:35
Speaker 5: for a lot longer period you you cannot enforce what
1:36:41
Speaker 5: you're trying to enforce with this what the Wax's trying
1:36:43
Speaker 5: to enforce here by banning them from the postseason. So
1:36:46
Speaker 5: track and field, the Track Whack Championships are I believe Friday,
1:36:52
Speaker 5: So they're they're going, Okay, we need this tro so
1:36:54
Speaker 5: that our first winter sports postseason can that our teams
1:37:00
Speaker 5: can participate. And then on Friday, we need to do
1:37:05
Speaker 5: this in order for basketball and baseball and other sports
1:37:08
Speaker 5: to be able to participate in the Whack tournaments and
1:37:10
Speaker 5: Whack Championships. So big week for UVU in regards to
1:37:15
Speaker 5: their the lawsuits and the right now current postseason ban
1:37:22
Speaker 5: from the Whack. And if you want to follow along
1:37:25
Speaker 5: at Larsen Sports on Twitter.
1:37:27
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot conference realignment.
1:37:31
Speaker 2: The Alex Jensen Coaches shows today at six pm Slackwater,
1:37:34
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, right here on your home of the youtes.
1:37:38
Speaker 3: We all saw you put it in your update.
1:37:40
Speaker 2: Actually, Lindsey Vaughan has surgery on her leg and syndrome
1:37:45
Speaker 2: averted that can cause problems that I guess makes your
1:37:50
Speaker 2: leg gangrenous and then could potentially have to lead to
1:37:53
Speaker 2: an amputation, which would be obviously devastating for someone who's
1:37:57
Speaker 2: been an elite level athlete their whole life. Would be
1:37:59
Speaker 2: devastating for anyone, but especially someone who's been an elite
1:38:01
Speaker 2: level athlete their whole life. And uh, you know the
1:38:05
Speaker 2: name of the surgeon who who did this operation on
1:38:08
Speaker 2: Lindsay Vaughn. Is it doctor Ela trosh It's not. It's
1:38:11
Speaker 2: doctor Tom Hackett. Tom Hackett shout out. I had not
1:38:15
Speaker 2: been made aware that Tom Hackett was now a surgeon,
1:38:20
Speaker 2: But uh, sorry to.
1:38:21
Speaker 3: Tell us about Lindsay Vaughn's surgery.
1:38:23
Speaker 5: Give us a call, Yeah, Tom, tell us how the
1:38:25
Speaker 5: surgery went, if you don't mind. Tom can Hackett in
1:38:29
Speaker 5: the surgery in the operating room. Apparently that's amazing different
1:38:34
Speaker 5: Tom Hackett obviously, but this is great if this Tom
1:38:38
Speaker 5: Hackett is also Australian.
1:38:40
Speaker 3: This this one is scary. I don't want to like.
1:38:42
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that my tone is correct
1:38:45
Speaker 2: for this next, because we've seen what's happening on the
1:38:49
Speaker 2: news in Mexico as of late. And if you have
1:38:52
Speaker 2: friends or family members who are trapped right now in
1:38:56
Speaker 2: Mexico or having a hard time getting where they need
1:38:58
Speaker 2: to be, man genuinely, our thoughts and prayers are with
1:39:02
Speaker 2: them and a safe outcome for everybody. The Mexican Army
1:39:08
Speaker 2: apparently struck against a cartel and allegedly killed the leader
1:39:14
Speaker 2: of said cartel, and now there's a power vacuum and
1:39:17
Speaker 2: riots and insanity and a bunch of craziness going on,
1:39:21
Speaker 2: and it's always interesting to know how that is going
1:39:24
Speaker 2: to affect sport. And the Mexican League has postponed games
1:39:32
Speaker 2: Q Toro and what as FC and Shivas and America
1:39:39
Speaker 2: not the United States of America, Shivas Versus America, the
1:39:42
Speaker 2: club in their women's league.
1:39:44
Speaker 3: Those have been postponed.
1:39:45
Speaker 2: Some lower division games were called off completely, and probably
1:39:50
Speaker 2: more interesting from the international perspective, there's supposed to be
1:39:55
Speaker 2: a Mexican national team friendly against Iceland on Wednesday. So
1:40:03
Speaker 2: far no word on whether or not the Mexican Soccer
1:40:07
Speaker 2: Federation is going to allow that thing to continue. But
1:40:10
Speaker 2: there's like some serious scary unrest going on right now
1:40:16
Speaker 2: in several states all across the country because of this
1:40:20
Speaker 2: drug lord elmenshow being killed.
1:40:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, elmen show. The nickname for and I'm not going
1:40:28
Speaker 5: to pretend I know how to pronounce is full. It's
1:40:30
Speaker 5: full actual name there.
1:40:32
Speaker 2: His name is Ruben Well with the first name, Yes, Ruben,
1:40:36
Speaker 2: I got Ruben, Ruben also get.
1:40:37
Speaker 3: Us, Yeah, but Elmenhow. Yes.
1:40:42
Speaker 5: The other thing to keep in mind here is we
1:40:44
Speaker 5: are now less than four months away from the North
1:40:49
Speaker 5: American World Cup, and you would think that's enough time.
1:40:52
Speaker 3: You would hope that that's enough time to.
1:40:56
Speaker 5: To get some order restored in Mexico here and and
1:41:00
Speaker 5: safety first and foremost in Mexico in order for Guadalajara
1:41:04
Speaker 5: is one of the host sites for the twenty twenty
1:41:08
Speaker 5: six World Cup.
1:41:09
Speaker 3: So you'd hope that that's enough time.
1:41:11
Speaker 5: But you just don't know like that, So the World Cup,
1:41:15
Speaker 5: the Mexican games in the World Cup might be in
1:41:20
Speaker 5: jeopardy as well.
1:41:21
Speaker 3: Here that of course starts mid June, so something to
1:41:24
Speaker 3: watch there for sure. Let's see, it'll be the June Games.
1:41:32
Speaker 2: South Korea, Mexico, Spain, Uruguay, Colombia also all set to
1:41:36
Speaker 2: play in Mexico for those pool play games.
1:41:39
Speaker 3: I love that we on the lighter side of this,
1:41:43
Speaker 3: you just mentioned that list of nations and we talked
1:41:47
Speaker 3: about with the Canadian national team with Unfortunately Jordan Bennington
1:41:51
Speaker 3: being one of these things is not like the other
1:41:54
Speaker 3: among the rest of the start South Korea.
1:41:57
Speaker 2: It's like Spanish speaking, Spanish speaking Spaceanish speaking, Spanish speaking
1:42:01
Speaker 2: South Korea.
1:42:02
Speaker 5: It's like so it feels so random it is, and
1:42:06
Speaker 5: like you wouldn't you don't put Canada or the United
1:42:10
Speaker 5: States one of the other North American or Central or
1:42:14
Speaker 5: South American South Korea.
1:42:16
Speaker 2: I would love to know, Like I'd love to get
1:42:18
Speaker 2: somebody from the Colombian Federation on and just be like,
1:42:21
Speaker 2: are you guys happy that you're going to Mexico or
1:42:23
Speaker 2: would you rather have gone somewhere a little bit more exotic,
1:42:26
Speaker 2: like would you rather be played in Vancouver, BC or whatever.
1:42:29
Speaker 2: They're just like, well, I mean, Mexico's probably a lot
1:42:33
Speaker 2: like Columbia, you know, I've never been to Columbia, so
1:42:37
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true.
1:42:39
Speaker 3: My own ignorance sense.
1:42:42
Speaker 2: So yeah, we actually were supposed to do a PF
1:42:45
Speaker 2: element this year in Mexico City, so that's not till August,
1:42:50
Speaker 2: like you said, should be enough time to get things
1:42:52
Speaker 2: settled down.
1:42:53
Speaker 3: But it's not like the.
1:42:57
Speaker 2: Narco political situation in Mexico has ever all that stable.
1:43:01
Speaker 3: I think.
1:43:02
Speaker 2: By the way, I just coined a new phrase. I
1:43:03
Speaker 2: don't know that anyone's ever used narco political. Narco political, yeah,
1:43:08
Speaker 2: because it's not really geo political, right, It's like, but
1:43:11
Speaker 2: it's it's the cartel's narcos political.
1:43:17
Speaker 3: It's all intertwined down there. Definitely.
1:43:21
Speaker 5: It's definitely got its own political angle to this. Yes,
1:43:25
Speaker 5: in its own way, for sure. I love that narco political.
1:43:29
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use it.
1:43:30
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use it from now on, all right, Isaac
1:43:32
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Speaker 4: Games, Tritafize.
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Speaker 2: Lid to Michael Jackson Rock with You nineteen eighty Billboard
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Speaker 2: Top of the Charts. That's where we're going with today.
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Speaker 2: This was the top ten song for the year of
1:46:56
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. It looks like it was number one January
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Speaker 2: in nineteenth twenty sixth February second, February ninth Michael Jackson
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Speaker 2: Rock with You. Casey and the Sunshine Band had number
1:47:10
Speaker 2: ones during that time. Oh, I didn't know this escape
1:47:18
Speaker 2: the penic Colata song. If you like penic Colatus, that
1:47:22
Speaker 2: was number one for a single week in nineteen eighty.
1:47:26
Speaker 3: There you go.
1:47:28
Speaker 2: Obviously, we're throwing it back to nineteen eighty because of
1:47:32
Speaker 2: the gold medal performance by USA men's hockey this past weekend,
1:47:38
Speaker 2: first time in forty six years that team.
1:47:41
Speaker 3: USA was able to dethron in the top of the
1:47:44
Speaker 3: top of the top.
1:47:44
Speaker 2: In this case, that was Canada, who now is relegated
1:47:48
Speaker 2: to on the men's and women's side second place, and
1:47:51
Speaker 2: U your America's hat. Okay, you have to give us
1:47:56
Speaker 2: the Toronto Raptors because that's a cool logo. We're taking
1:48:01
Speaker 2: that space needle you've got. I want all the maple
1:48:04
Speaker 2: syrup in the country. Justin Bieber, he belongs to us now,
1:48:11
Speaker 2: he's Canadian, right, we get it all. Sorry, Canada, even
1:48:17
Speaker 2: sparkles is ours too. What's that you know How I
1:48:20
Speaker 2: Met your Mother?
1:48:21
Speaker 3: Guy?
1:48:22
Speaker 5: Oh no, okay, I haven't shout out to that's that's
1:48:25
Speaker 5: the our listeners who love How I Met your Mother
1:48:27
Speaker 5: will love that one.
1:48:28
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you know I'm gonna let's see we
1:48:32
Speaker 2: don't have I think I don't think we have very
1:48:37
Speaker 2: many polar bears. Like only Alaska has polar bears, and
1:48:40
Speaker 2: only way way up there. So you got to give
1:48:42
Speaker 2: us the rest of the polar bears.
1:48:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, they gotta have a bunch of polar bears in
1:48:45
Speaker 5: the Yukon and Northwest territories.
1:48:47
Speaker 2: Then yeah, yeah, they produced seventy of the world's maple
1:48:54
Speaker 2: syrup supply.
1:48:56
Speaker 3: Give us the Great Cup too. We will put it
1:48:58
Speaker 3: in the storage shed.
1:49:00
Speaker 2: But I don't know how many give us I know,
1:49:02
Speaker 2: I don't know how many Tim Hortons there are in
1:49:04
Speaker 2: the United States. I don't know if we need another
1:49:05
Speaker 2: Starbucks dunkin Donuts type thing.
1:49:08
Speaker 5: There's gotta be some in the Buffalo area because if
1:49:11
Speaker 5: you watch Buffalo Bills games, they have the Tim Hortons
1:49:14
Speaker 5: logo on the stadium in the stadium, so there's gotta
1:49:18
Speaker 5: be gotta be some there unless they're just like, no,
1:49:21
Speaker 5: they're only just across the border in Canada, but we're
1:49:24
Speaker 5: we're sponsoring the Bills anyway.
1:49:26
Speaker 2: So I just I just googled best things from Canada
1:49:31
Speaker 2: to see what else we want to take. Maple syrup
1:49:34
Speaker 2: is number one. Poutine is number two. Poutine Poutine's good.
1:49:38
Speaker 2: I really like cheese, curds, fries and gravy originated in Quebec.
1:49:43
Speaker 2: They sit in Nanaimo bars. I don't know what those are,
1:49:46
Speaker 2: but a three layer of chocolate, custard and coconut dessert.
1:49:49
Speaker 2: I'm down with all three of those things individually, especially
1:49:52
Speaker 2: like coconuts, so the three put together sounds great.
1:49:56
Speaker 3: Butter tarts.
1:49:57
Speaker 2: I've been to Canada a lot I don't think I've
1:49:59
Speaker 2: ever been offered a tart small pastry shells filled with
1:50:03
Speaker 2: a mixture of butter, sugar, and egg. Montreal style bagels.
1:50:07
Speaker 2: I've had these. They're denser and sweeter than New York bagels. Okay,
1:50:12
Speaker 2: I got tattooed up in Canada and there was a
1:50:15
Speaker 2: Montreal style bagel shop. They also have like something called
1:50:18
Speaker 2: Montreal smoked meat. That is just as far as I
1:50:22
Speaker 2: can tell, they just like to call things Canadian. It's
1:50:25
Speaker 2: just like ham.
1:50:27
Speaker 3: But it's like, this is Montreal style smoked meat.
1:50:29
Speaker 6: I'm not.
1:50:30
Speaker 2: It's so it's not Canadian bacon it is. It's like
1:50:34
Speaker 2: smoked ham, but really thin sliced. I was like, guys,
1:50:37
Speaker 2: you can't just smoked ham's. You can't claim things and
1:50:41
Speaker 2: call them like your own style. What it's basically like, Oh,
1:50:44
Speaker 2: this is American style pizza. Oh really, what's the difference. Well,
1:50:47
Speaker 2: we have bread with cheese and sauce. Yeah, that's what
1:50:51
Speaker 2: every pizza is.
1:50:52
Speaker 5: Can we take Thanksgiving in October too? Can we have
1:50:55
Speaker 5: two Thanksgivings? Not take that from Canada?
1:50:57
Speaker 3: Not bad? Okay, own fact they did, they do Thanksgiving
1:51:02
Speaker 3: a different month. Ice wine. There's something called again. This
1:51:06
Speaker 3: is Google's list of things the best things from Canada.
1:51:09
Speaker 2: They have something called ice wine, a dessert wine made
1:51:12
Speaker 2: from grapes frozen on the vine, famously produced in the
1:51:16
Speaker 2: Niagara region. So if there's any Awiena files out there
1:51:19
Speaker 2: who want to tell me if ice wine is any good?
1:51:21
Speaker 2: Is that something we want to steal for ourselves. Will
1:51:24
Speaker 2: we have room in the storage facilities after we fill
1:51:27
Speaker 2: them with the maple syrup? Probably not so ice wine.
1:51:30
Speaker 3: You might have to go.
1:51:31
Speaker 5: And the gray cup, that's that's in the storage facility too.
1:51:34
Speaker 5: We're not gonna we're not gonna do anything with the
1:51:36
Speaker 5: gray cup, but we will take it. You can't keep
1:51:39
Speaker 5: it anymore. Let's see insulin. Canada gave us insulin in
1:51:45
Speaker 5: nineteen twenty two. I mean, America has already been benefiting
1:51:49
Speaker 5: from that area.
1:51:50
Speaker 3: We already have.
1:51:50
Speaker 2: Enough of that, I think hopefully. Paintball apparently they invented
1:51:55
Speaker 2: paintball up there. Basketball was invented by a Canadian. We
1:52:01
Speaker 2: already stole that in the United States. We already co
1:52:04
Speaker 2: opted basketball. Okay, yeah, wait cool, Doctor James N. A.
1:52:08
Speaker 2: Smith shout out to his Canadian roots, but he did
1:52:10
Speaker 2: it in Massachusetts.
1:52:12
Speaker 3: So it's not yours. Sorry, Yeah, there's just a lot
1:52:17
Speaker 3: of things.
1:52:18
Speaker 2: If we don't want the maple syrup and the tim Hortons,
1:52:21
Speaker 2: there's not a lot that Canada can really offer us.
1:52:25
Speaker 2: Apparently they did invent garbage bags though, and the paint roller.
1:52:31
Speaker 2: The pager didn't last very long. This I don't know
1:52:33
Speaker 2: if I believe this, although popular culture would have some
1:52:39
Speaker 2: believe otherwise. Peanut butter was not invented by American botanist
1:52:43
Speaker 2: George Washington Carver. Rather was created in eighteen eighty four
1:52:47
Speaker 2: by Canadian pharmacist Marcellus Gilmour Edson, who likened the consistency
1:52:53
Speaker 2: of his product to that of butter, lard or ointment.
1:52:57
Speaker 2: Canada's trying to claim they invented peanut butter.
1:53:03
Speaker 3: I don't know.
1:53:05
Speaker 5: George Washington Carver would have something to say about yeah,
1:53:08
Speaker 5: exactly like this article says.
1:53:11
Speaker 3: No, that was a false claim. I don't know.
1:53:13
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Isaac Shade, if you were following
1:53:16
Speaker 2: his Twitter, he was all the way in on the
1:53:20
Speaker 2: hardcore team USA Hockey following and as everyone should have been,
1:53:25
Speaker 2: host of Lockdown College Basketball and Lockdown tar Heels and
1:53:29
Speaker 2: a friend of the program. You haven't talked to him
1:53:31
Speaker 2: in a while, but we get to talk to him again. Isaac,
1:53:33
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
1:53:34
Speaker 3: How are you?
1:53:35
Speaker 6: I am great man. I'm still reveling in that golden
1:53:39
Speaker 6: globe from yesterday.
1:53:40
Speaker 3: How incredible was it?
1:53:41
Speaker 2: I mean, like in sports now, there's so many subplots
1:53:46
Speaker 2: and weird stories around sports, and some of them are
1:53:48
Speaker 2: inspirational and great, and some of them are just like
1:53:51
Speaker 2: contract disputes and collective bargaining and nil and all this stuff.
1:53:56
Speaker 2: It felt like, and I know the Olympics do a
1:53:58
Speaker 2: good job of doing this, It felt like, for that
1:54:00
Speaker 2: blessed couple hours, we got to boil it down to
1:54:03
Speaker 2: a good old fashioned country versus country rivalry, and the
1:54:07
Speaker 2: guys cared a lot.
1:54:08
Speaker 3: It was a beautiful thing to see Tamusa take the goal.
1:54:12
Speaker 6: It was it was like that patriotism of it, but
1:54:14
Speaker 6: then mixed with the beautiful storylines of like forty six
1:54:18
Speaker 6: years to the day since the miracle on ice and
1:54:21
Speaker 6: Johnny Goudreau's family and his sweet kid being out there
1:54:24
Speaker 6: in the second birth, Like how could you not be
1:54:27
Speaker 6: enamored with the beauty of the story of sport? And
1:54:32
Speaker 6: it just I literally sat in tears on my couch.
1:54:35
Speaker 6: I don't mind admitting that at all.
1:54:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really incredible to see. And now we
1:54:39
Speaker 2: turn back to the sports that we always pay attention to. Now,
1:54:43
Speaker 2: a lot of people pay attention to hockey all the time,
1:54:45
Speaker 2: but we're getting into this time of year where a
1:54:47
Speaker 2: suddenly college basketball, even for the casual fan, gets a
1:54:50
Speaker 2: lot more interesting. We're a couple weeks away from tournament time,
1:54:54
Speaker 2: and the Big Twelve especially has gotten really really interesting.
1:54:59
Speaker 2: This past week, Arizona reclaim the top spot in the conference,
1:55:03
Speaker 2: and there was that log jam at the top. They've
1:55:05
Speaker 2: got a couple tough tests left. You know, they still
1:55:07
Speaker 2: have to play Iowa State. Do you think you think
1:55:10
Speaker 2: Arizona can can stay at the top of this Big
1:55:14
Speaker 2: Twelve conference as we head to the tournament.
1:55:17
Speaker 6: I do think they can, And to be very frank
1:55:20
Speaker 6: and honest with you, I thought they should have ascended
1:55:22
Speaker 6: back to number one in the new poll today. My
1:55:25
Speaker 6: issue was last week I thought the AP voters dropped
1:55:28
Speaker 6: them further than they should have after the losses to
1:55:30
Speaker 6: Kansas at Kansas by the Way and Texas Tech in
1:55:33
Speaker 6: overtime as their first two losses. And that's to take
1:55:36
Speaker 6: nothing away from Duke. I just think that Arizona is
1:55:39
Speaker 6: the more complete of those two teams. But I mean
1:55:41
Speaker 6: we're splitting hairs that they're one and two in some order,
1:55:44
Speaker 6: and that's fine with me. Man, You're right. This logjam
1:55:47
Speaker 6: at the top of the Big Twelve is crazy. We
1:55:49
Speaker 6: had three of the top five teams in the Big
1:55:52
Speaker 6: Twelve lose over the weekend, and you look at this
1:55:55
Speaker 6: closing slate for Arizona, it is difficult. They've got to
1:55:57
Speaker 6: go to way Go that's tomorrow, got Kansas at home
1:56:01
Speaker 6: on Saturday. They got Iowa State at home on Big
1:56:04
Speaker 6: Monday next week. I'll tell you, these Big Monday games
1:56:06
Speaker 6: deliver every single week. It's crazy. And then they go
1:56:10
Speaker 6: to Colorado to close it out. The nice thing is
1:56:12
Speaker 6: those two hardest games are both at home. You never
1:56:15
Speaker 6: know what you're gonna get with Darren Peterson. I'm very
1:56:18
Speaker 6: excited to see though, because obviously Houston has won the
1:56:21
Speaker 6: Big Twelve in each of these first two years. They're
1:56:24
Speaker 6: right there, first two years they've been in the conference,
1:56:26
Speaker 6: they're one game back right now, and man, I am
1:56:29
Speaker 6: very curious to see how it plays out.
1:56:31
Speaker 2: You mentioned his name and my listeners are probably sick
1:56:33
Speaker 2: of me talking about Darren Peterson because he's a Kansas Jayhawk,
1:56:36
Speaker 2: But I am this is I'm morbidly fascinated with this
1:56:40
Speaker 2: whole process, and I don't even know what the right
1:56:43
Speaker 2: way to ask a question about it. But is it
1:56:45
Speaker 2: being handled properly? Is there another way for Bill self
1:56:48
Speaker 2: and Kansas to go about this? I do feel like
1:56:51
Speaker 2: there's probably a lot of different ways Darren himself and
1:56:54
Speaker 2: his camp could go about it. But again, I don't
1:56:56
Speaker 2: really know. Maybe he does cramp more than anybody on
1:56:59
Speaker 2: the planet. Just give me your thoughts on Darren Peterson.
1:57:03
Speaker 6: It's a weird thing. The close I was thinking about
1:57:07
Speaker 6: this actually last week. Two years ago, Bill self had
1:57:10
Speaker 6: a similar sittion with Kevin mccullor, who was his best
1:57:13
Speaker 6: player that year, and down the stretch of the season,
1:57:16
Speaker 6: mccullor dealt with some knee injuries and was in and
1:57:21
Speaker 6: out of the lineup a little bit, and I could
1:57:23
Speaker 6: sense Bill self for a long time holding it, you know,
1:57:27
Speaker 6: like any of the critique he was keeping internalized, and
1:57:31
Speaker 6: eventually that veneer cracked and you could see I could
1:57:35
Speaker 6: sense the frustration in him with basically he more or
1:57:38
Speaker 6: less said without directly saying it, that Kevin mccullor was
1:57:42
Speaker 6: a whimp and wasn't manning up and playing. And I
1:57:47
Speaker 6: finally last week for the first time, heard some of
1:57:49
Speaker 6: that same level of frustration with the Darren Peterson situation.
1:57:55
Speaker 6: I don't know that there's a good way to frame it.
1:57:58
Speaker 6: I personally am of the mind that he's not duck
1:58:00
Speaker 6: the smoke. I just I wonder if some of his
1:58:03
Speaker 6: pain tolerance threshold is lesser than some other people.
1:58:08
Speaker 1: You know.
1:58:09
Speaker 6: It's just it's an odd situation with a guy that
1:58:13
Speaker 6: is the odds on favorite to be the number one
1:58:15
Speaker 6: pick in the draft, with all due respect to Ajdabonsa,
1:58:18
Speaker 6: and all due respect to Cam Boozer who just wins
1:58:20
Speaker 6: and wins and wins, and a couple other guys, I
1:58:24
Speaker 6: think ultimately, to me, I legitimately think it just feels
1:58:29
Speaker 6: like a situation where it's just coincidentally weird stuff all
1:58:33
Speaker 6: happening in succession, from the cramping and handy stuff to
1:58:37
Speaker 6: the bad ankle situation he had, to the the sickness,
1:58:43
Speaker 6: the kind of flu symptoms he had a little bit
1:58:45
Speaker 6: after that. That said, though, I feel like Darren himself
1:58:49
Speaker 6: could be handling this letter to give to kind of
1:58:52
Speaker 6: paint himself in a better light. You know, he's just
1:58:54
Speaker 6: like the asking out and the other things. It's just
1:58:57
Speaker 6: it's not a good look. And if I'm his teammate,
1:59:00
Speaker 6: I'm wildly frustrated at the back and forth, like if
1:59:04
Speaker 6: I'm if I'm Melvin Council junior, when am I supposed
1:59:08
Speaker 6: to be the dude? And when am I supposed to
1:59:09
Speaker 6: take a back seat? How do you figure out how
1:59:12
Speaker 6: to do a team in that way?
1:59:13
Speaker 3: I don't know.
1:59:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is one of the more interesting things about
1:59:17
Speaker 2: the whole situation, because I mean even his coach has said, well,
1:59:21
Speaker 2: we've we've gotten pretty good at winning without him, which
1:59:23
Speaker 2: if you're a player, you hate hearing that, even if
1:59:25
Speaker 2: it's not directed as an insult.
1:59:27
Speaker 3: I don't know.
1:59:27
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm at forty two, barely mature enough to say,
1:59:31
Speaker 2: all right, that's not directed at me. At if I'm
1:59:34
Speaker 2: in my twenties, I'm looking at that going like, oh,
1:59:36
Speaker 2: for real, like you're taking a shot at me. Like
1:59:39
Speaker 2: the whole situation is odd, but let's say that, you know,
1:59:43
Speaker 2: nothing changes, and Kansas gets exactly this from Darren Peterson,
1:59:48
Speaker 2: which is great play when he's on the floor, question
1:59:50
Speaker 2: mark whether he's going to be there or not, sometimes
1:59:53
Speaker 2: inconsistent shooting. If this is exactly what they get from
1:59:56
Speaker 2: the eventual number one, number two, number three NBA draft pick,
2:00:00
Speaker 2: how far can they take it? Both in Big Twelve
2:00:02
Speaker 2: basketball and in the NCAA Tournament.
2:00:07
Speaker 6: They're right there, better than where I expected them to
2:00:09
Speaker 6: be even before the season in terms of where they're
2:00:11
Speaker 6: sitting in the Big Twelve. You know, back to back
2:00:14
Speaker 6: years they've been outside the top three in the Big
2:00:16
Speaker 6: Twelve trending. They were trending for the third time in
2:00:20
Speaker 6: a row, which would have been the first time ever
2:00:22
Speaker 6: in Kansas history doing that. That was a number I
2:00:25
Speaker 6: looked up over the offseason. Right now, they're tied for
2:00:27
Speaker 6: third with Iowa State. With Texas Tech. I think at
2:00:31
Speaker 6: worst they can be a top four seed in the
2:00:34
Speaker 6: Big twelve because you've got you know, Texas Tech now
2:00:38
Speaker 6: struggling with JT. Topp and Gone. They're gonna be okay,
2:00:42
Speaker 6: but they're not going to be elite obviously. For BYU,
2:00:45
Speaker 6: I thought it was really important the showing that they
2:00:48
Speaker 6: had on Saturday with Richie Saunders out with Robert Wright,
2:00:54
Speaker 6: only scoring six points, you know, and still doing what
2:00:57
Speaker 6: they did. I thought it was really good in that regard.
2:01:00
Speaker 6: So I think BYU is going to be better often
2:01:03
Speaker 6: I thought they.
2:01:03
Speaker 3: Were going to be.
2:01:04
Speaker 6: But there's still two games back of Kansas. So I
2:01:06
Speaker 6: think Kansas finishes at least top four in the Big twelve.
2:01:09
Speaker 6: And then you know, we had the reveal of the
2:01:12
Speaker 6: Top sixteen on Saturday. Kansas finds their way into that
2:01:17
Speaker 6: as a three seed, the tenth overall team. And so
2:01:21
Speaker 6: if you're the Jayhawks, your four remaining games are versus Houston,
2:01:25
Speaker 6: at Arizona, at Arizona State, and home to at Jerome
2:01:28
Speaker 6: tangless Kansas State. So I mean, at worst, the Jayhawks
2:01:31
Speaker 6: are going to go too and two. The problem is
2:01:33
Speaker 6: they're coming off that lost to Cincinnati, a bad loss
2:01:36
Speaker 6: to Cincinnati. And so my projection for Kansas is there,
2:01:42
Speaker 6: at least the second week, this is at least a
2:01:44
Speaker 6: Sweet sixteen team with i'll call it final four upside.
2:01:48
Speaker 6: If things go right and Darren Peterson can stay on
2:01:50
Speaker 6: the floor.
2:01:51
Speaker 2: Well, I may have buried the lead a little bit,
2:01:53
Speaker 2: but the BYU Cougars have a lot more local interest here,
2:01:56
Speaker 2: and you mentioned him and AJ Debonsa. He played all
2:02:00
Speaker 2: forty minutes and nearly had a triple double, massively important
2:02:03
Speaker 2: to that win the other night, And it's like, I mean,
2:02:08
Speaker 2: this guy has lived up to the hype in a
2:02:09
Speaker 2: lot of different ways. The roster itself hasn't necessarily, especially
2:02:14
Speaker 2: with the Richie Saunders injury and some questions about how
2:02:16
Speaker 2: much you can get off the bench, which we finally
2:02:19
Speaker 2: got at least a decent optimistic answer to this past weekend.
2:02:22
Speaker 2: But it's the same question I have about Kansas. Is
2:02:26
Speaker 2: it gonna take superhuman performances every night from aj De
2:02:29
Speaker 2: Bonsa for this BYU team to make any real noise?
2:02:32
Speaker 2: Or can we see more of what we saw on
2:02:34
Speaker 2: the weekend where your bench is alive and awake and
2:02:38
Speaker 2: you get somebody besides De Bonsa or right contributing.
2:02:42
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I mean, one of the critical things we
2:02:44
Speaker 6: talked about on Lockdown College Basketball last week is somebody's
2:02:48
Speaker 6: gonna have to step up. Is it Canar Davis that's
2:02:50
Speaker 6: gonna have a better game, we postulated, and sure enough
2:02:53
Speaker 6: he did. I thought you saw a nice game from
2:02:55
Speaker 6: Ahilo Boskovich, right, Like, so you had a couple of
2:02:57
Speaker 6: these guys stepping up and they're gonna have to continue
2:03:00
Speaker 6: to do so. I think, yes, at some level, AJ
2:03:04
Speaker 6: is going to have to be superhuman, but it's it
2:03:06
Speaker 6: can't just be him, Like Robert Wright is similar to
2:03:10
Speaker 6: let's compare it to what we just talked about in Lubbock, Texas.
2:03:13
Speaker 6: They're down JT topping and so now that means that
2:03:15
Speaker 6: Christian Anderson has to step up and be a dude.
2:03:18
Speaker 6: I think Rob Wright's kind of in that same mold,
2:03:20
Speaker 6: like it's got to be a Batman and Robin of
2:03:23
Speaker 6: AJ and Rob like, that's to me is the key
2:03:26
Speaker 6: with Richie out now. But then you've got Kaba Keda
2:03:29
Speaker 6: and all his athleticism and experience. Oh by the way, right, Like,
2:03:33
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of that that you lean on,
2:03:36
Speaker 6: but then it's so difficult because of other death flat.
2:03:39
Speaker 6: You know, you think about somebody like Dawson Baker, how
2:03:42
Speaker 6: much would he add if he was healthy?
2:03:43
Speaker 3: Right?
2:03:44
Speaker 6: And so that that's the struggle for me, is it's
2:03:46
Speaker 6: not just Richie. There's other injury issues up and down
2:03:49
Speaker 6: the roster, and that's a problem. But as we get
2:03:52
Speaker 6: here into March, where you're going to shorten your bench anyway,
2:03:56
Speaker 6: it's like, all right, look, Keba rob aj Can like, guys,
2:04:00
Speaker 6: we just got to lock in and go. You're all
2:04:03
Speaker 6: going to play a crap ton of minutes and you
2:04:06
Speaker 6: gotta be ready for it.
2:04:09
Speaker 3: We're talking a little college hope here on the Sean o'connells.
2:04:12
Speaker 2: Isaac Shade is the host of Lockdown College Basketball and
2:04:15
Speaker 2: kind enough to give us some time today. So the
2:04:18
Speaker 2: rest of the log jam near the top of this
2:04:21
Speaker 2: Big Twelve tournament, I think that there's four or five
2:04:24
Speaker 2: teams capable of winning the conference tournament. I think that
2:04:26
Speaker 2: there's more than that who're going to be in the NCAA.
2:04:29
Speaker 2: But is there anyone without a ranking number next to
2:04:31
Speaker 2: their name right now who you think in this Big
2:04:34
Speaker 2: twelve conference could do something?
2:04:36
Speaker 3: Could be something when we get to the postseason.
2:04:40
Speaker 6: Specifically in the Big Twelve Tournament or in the NCAA
2:04:42
Speaker 6: tournament as well well.
2:04:43
Speaker 2: I guess if you do it in the Big Twelve tournament,
2:04:44
Speaker 2: maybe that gives you shot to do it in the NCUBLEA.
2:04:47
Speaker 2: But I'm mostly focusing on the NCAA tournament.
2:04:49
Speaker 6: Sure, I mean, we saw here's what's funny to me
2:04:56
Speaker 6: five games ago. West Virginia loses a basketball or becuse me,
2:05:00
Speaker 6: Cincinnati loses a basketball game to West Virginia. Wes Miller's
2:05:03
Speaker 6: out here apologizing to his fans and his crowd. They're
2:05:07
Speaker 6: on a four game winning streak since then, including winning
2:05:10
Speaker 6: at Allen Fieldhouse. By sixteen, you got bobon Miller, who
2:05:14
Speaker 6: was expected to be so good for a couple of
2:05:16
Speaker 6: years down at Florida State, never really lived up to that.
2:05:19
Speaker 6: Suddenly he's playing better. I think there's possibility there. UCF
2:05:23
Speaker 6: is a team that's kind of been up and down.
2:05:25
Speaker 6: I think they're going to make the tournament. And that's
2:05:28
Speaker 6: the question with Cincinnati is can they even do enough
2:05:31
Speaker 6: down the stretch here to get themselves in because obviously
2:05:34
Speaker 6: they're very bubblicious and like, it's weird because you've got
2:05:38
Speaker 6: some of these other teams. You know, you expect Baylor
2:05:41
Speaker 6: in other years to do well. They're obviously not going
2:05:43
Speaker 6: to make the tournament. And so for my money, a
2:05:45
Speaker 6: team with a number not next to its name, it's
2:05:48
Speaker 6: probably got to be UCF. I I can't really see
2:05:54
Speaker 6: them getting to the second weekend, but I think UCF
2:05:57
Speaker 6: could be as like a second round kind of team,
2:06:00
Speaker 6: and if it hits right and they get the right matchup,
2:06:02
Speaker 6: maybe there's an upset on the other side. They can
2:06:05
Speaker 6: make it to Sweet sixteen. But really, outside of the tops,
2:06:09
Speaker 6: I think the Big Twelve is the best conference in
2:06:12
Speaker 6: basketball this season, but it's a very top heavy six.
2:06:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. We've we've come to see that.
2:06:18
Speaker 2: I think over the course of this thing, I haven't
2:06:20
Speaker 2: asked you anything about Iowa State and they're you know,
2:06:24
Speaker 2: they've flirted with the top five all year long. Are
2:06:27
Speaker 2: they when we get you know, get into the tournament
2:06:29
Speaker 2: and they're something like a two seed, are they going
2:06:31
Speaker 2: to make a deep run?
2:06:33
Speaker 6: I think they very well could. So much of March
2:06:38
Speaker 6: is just about experience, it's about guards. Taman Lipsi brings
2:06:42
Speaker 6: both of those things. Milan Momchilovitch one of the huge
2:06:46
Speaker 6: things for me coming into this season is he had
2:06:49
Speaker 6: to step up and be more of a dude.
2:06:51
Speaker 1: Right.
2:06:51
Speaker 6: He's been there the past couple of years, been there
2:06:54
Speaker 6: all along. He was there when they won the Big
2:06:55
Speaker 6: Twelve championship. Was that two years ago? Now in twenty
2:06:58
Speaker 6: four Yeah, beat Houston. But you bring in that and
2:07:03
Speaker 6: then you've got like this precocious freshman named Killian Torre.
2:07:06
Speaker 6: You've got Joshua Jefferson who's just an absolute dude at
2:07:10
Speaker 6: Ken Palm. Right now, he's second in the nation in
2:07:12
Speaker 6: Player of the Year data. And so I just feel
2:07:16
Speaker 6: like tj Alseilberger has these pieces that all come together.
2:07:19
Speaker 6: You've got Gosh, I didn't even think about another freshman
2:07:21
Speaker 6: in Jamarian Bateman and Blake Buchanan as the big so
2:07:25
Speaker 6: that the pieces are there for Iowa State. I believe
2:07:28
Speaker 6: in tj Otzilberger as a coach. I know Taman Lipsey's undersized,
2:07:33
Speaker 6: but man, that that senior experience that he brings. That
2:07:38
Speaker 6: offensive rebound he got coming across the free throw lane
2:07:41
Speaker 6: to finish off the Houston game on last Monday a
2:07:44
Speaker 6: week ago today, It's like those kind of plays that
2:07:47
Speaker 6: make me believe in them, And I think that then
2:07:50
Speaker 6: is an encouraging thing. Let's go back to the byu
2:07:52
Speaker 6: of it all for Iowa State to be coming off
2:07:55
Speaker 6: back to back top ten wins over Kansas in Houston,
2:07:57
Speaker 6: and then a Richie Saunders list says, all right, come
2:08:01
Speaker 6: on up to Provo. We're going to take care of
2:08:03
Speaker 6: business as well. And so that's I think a good
2:08:06
Speaker 6: sign both for Iowa State that it's like they're doing
2:08:09
Speaker 6: what they need to do, had just been named the
2:08:11
Speaker 6: number one seed by the committee earlier on Saturday. I
2:08:14
Speaker 6: think they probably do end up as a two because
2:08:16
Speaker 6: I I just think that's where they're going to end
2:08:20
Speaker 6: up falling. But that was also an encouragement for me
2:08:22
Speaker 6: because I believe a lot in Iowa State, and so
2:08:25
Speaker 6: for what the Kug showed on Saturday night, that was
2:08:27
Speaker 6: encouraging as well.
2:08:29
Speaker 2: I think I know where you stand on this, but
2:08:32
Speaker 2: I want to give you the space sixty eight teams
2:08:35
Speaker 2: right now in the NA tournament. Continuous talk about us
2:08:39
Speaker 2: needing more or getting more, what do you think?
2:08:44
Speaker 6: You're absolutely correct?
2:08:45
Speaker 3: You know our stand on that.
2:08:46
Speaker 6: It's dumb and pointless, and we already don't have enough
2:08:50
Speaker 6: what I would call worthy teams to fill out the field.
2:08:53
Speaker 6: It is a money grab. It is a Greg Sankee
2:08:58
Speaker 6: wanting to take care of the sec the kind of thing.
2:09:00
Speaker 6: You know, It's like that whole thing. It's a similar
2:09:03
Speaker 6: conversation to expanding the college football playoffs, and I know
2:09:08
Speaker 6: Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, would talk about inclusion and
2:09:12
Speaker 6: making sure we've got a certain percent of our of
2:09:15
Speaker 6: our makeup of our body in the postseason tournament. But
2:09:20
Speaker 6: my pushback as always, they every one of the three
2:09:24
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty five teams in men's college basketball has
2:09:27
Speaker 6: a chance to make the NCAA tournament because of their
2:09:29
Speaker 6: conference tournament. That is their opportunity. If we want more inclusion,
2:09:34
Speaker 6: dag gumutt, three hundred and sixty five teams, are you
2:09:37
Speaker 6: kidding at? Like? They should not all be competing for
2:09:40
Speaker 6: the same trophy? That is an absurdity. You want Arizona
2:09:44
Speaker 6: and Duke and Michigan to be playing for the same
2:09:46
Speaker 6: crown that Mississippi Valley State and Compenstate are playing for.
2:09:50
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense.
2:09:52
Speaker 6: Let's not expand the same It feels inevitable at this point,
2:09:55
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna keep trying to ring the bell for
2:09:57
Speaker 6: as long as I can that Like, if anything, I
2:10:01
Speaker 6: would rather retract back to sixty four than expand beyond
2:10:04
Speaker 6: sixty eight. And it sounds like if and when they expand,
2:10:07
Speaker 6: it's not going to be just a little jump to
2:10:08
Speaker 6: seventy two. They're going to go on up to seventy six.
2:10:12
Speaker 2: Well yeah, that's uh, we will need that, We'll need
2:10:15
Speaker 2: another bunch of teams that have no shot of winning
2:10:18
Speaker 2: the actual real thing. Yes, oh yeah, sometimes we need
2:10:24
Speaker 2: adults in the room when it comes to these INCAA decisions.
2:10:27
Speaker 3: But we haven't got yet.
2:10:29
Speaker 6: We need a college basketball tzar.
2:10:31
Speaker 2: We need tzars in football, in basketball, in softball, in
2:10:35
Speaker 2: base I never thought that, I mean, especially after some
2:10:40
Speaker 2: gold medal wins, we'd be coming on a Monday and
2:10:42
Speaker 2: talking about how the USA needs some czars.
2:10:44
Speaker 3: But we need them. That's so good, Isaac, thanks for
2:10:50
Speaker 3: your time today. Appreciate you. Keep up the great work.
2:10:53
Speaker 6: Oh man, thank you, Sean, I appreciate you. Brother. Have
2:10:55
Speaker 6: a great afternoon.
2:10:56
Speaker 2: Isaac Shade, host of Lockdown College Basketball, Locked on our
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Speaker 2: Heels as well. He's really, really, really dialed in on
2:11:06
Speaker 2: all things college hoops. All right, So, one of the
2:11:09
Speaker 2: other conversations that came out of the gold medal games
2:11:11
Speaker 2: this past weekend was, well, is this overtime? And we've
2:11:16
Speaker 2: done this with football, we've done it with baseball. Is
2:11:19
Speaker 2: this overtime really the best version of what the sport
2:11:24
Speaker 2: can be?
2:11:26
Speaker 3: And I want to tell you why. Whatever the overtime
2:11:29
Speaker 3: medicine is, you just take it. We'll get there.
2:11:33
Speaker 2: Next it's the Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven and ninety
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Speaker 3: M nineteen eighty chart toppers.
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Speaker 2: So bring us in and out on the Sean O'Connell
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Speaker 2: show today, because forty six years ago Tmusa won gold
2:12:15
Speaker 2: in Olympic hockey. That one was over the Soviet Union,
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Speaker 2: this one over Team Canada on Sunday and Queen Crazy.
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Speaker 2: Little Thing called Love was the number one song on
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Speaker 2: the Billboard charts February twenty third, March first, March eighth,
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Speaker 2: and March fifteenth, So four weeks at the very top.
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Speaker 3: Of the charts. It's wild.
2:12:37
Speaker 2: You go back and you say, all right, nineteen eighty
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Speaker 2: chart toppers. These are still songs that you're hearing today,
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Speaker 2: all of them except maybe John Lennon's. He had the
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Speaker 2: number one song at the end of the year. John
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Speaker 2: Lennon solo, just like starting Over. I'm not super familiar
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Speaker 2: with that one.
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Speaker 3: Anyway.
2:13:03
Speaker 2: Some sour grapes over the weekend from Canadians, which I
2:13:08
Speaker 2: don't know why.
2:13:08
Speaker 3: There's a sort of perverse pleasure.
2:13:10
Speaker 2: I take in the sorry sorry, super polite Canadians having
2:13:15
Speaker 2: to show their true colors. They're like actual petty, angry
2:13:21
Speaker 2: sports fan colors. It's nice to see that, you know,
2:13:24
Speaker 2: you don't always live up to the reputation of being
2:13:26
Speaker 2: nicer than everyone else. They are big, big mad over
2:13:30
Speaker 2: the men's hockey gold game going into overtime, and they
2:13:34
Speaker 2: felt the same way about the women's hockey game going
2:13:37
Speaker 2: into overtime and being three on three. Coach complains about it,
2:13:43
Speaker 2: Nathan McKinnon says, well, I think you saw who the
2:13:45
Speaker 2: better team is.
2:13:46
Speaker 3: Stop it all right.
2:13:50
Speaker 2: Overtime rules are never going to be perfect in any sport,
2:13:56
Speaker 2: either the fact that you do it sudden death or
2:13:59
Speaker 2: you don't do it sodden death, or the fact that,
2:14:01
Speaker 2: in hockey's case, you take a couple guys off of
2:14:03
Speaker 2: the ice and then you let them skate with a
2:14:06
Speaker 2: little more space and a little bit more of an
2:14:08
Speaker 2: opportunity to create scoring chances. Like I don't like three
2:14:14
Speaker 2: on three basketball or three on three hockey as much
2:14:17
Speaker 2: as I like five on five. But if we're getting
2:14:19
Speaker 2: to a situation where we've played sixty minutes of five
2:14:23
Speaker 2: on five and you're not able to find separation. That's
2:14:27
Speaker 2: the whole point of overtime. Let's create some separation here.
2:14:30
Speaker 2: Let's condense this down, let's speed this thing up. And
2:14:34
Speaker 2: by the way, if you did the NHL Stanley Cup
2:14:38
Speaker 2: final rules in Olympic hockey, guess who would not agree
2:14:42
Speaker 2: to let their players go the NHL. It's already a
2:14:49
Speaker 2: dicey situation where you've got I mean, Sidney Crosby is
2:14:52
Speaker 2: now injured, with at least some level of severity to
2:14:57
Speaker 2: that injury, or else he would have been playing in
2:14:59
Speaker 2: the gold medal game and the Penguins have us shot
2:15:01
Speaker 2: it winning a cup. And the Penguins are now looking
2:15:04
Speaker 2: at this and just being like, oh, for real, we're
2:15:06
Speaker 2: down our captain, just like Canada was down. It's captain
2:15:10
Speaker 2: that sucks for us. Now, there's only a certain amount
2:15:13
Speaker 2: of choice because the players wanted to play, and they
2:15:15
Speaker 2: wanted this to be in the collective bargaining green. They
2:15:17
Speaker 2: wanted Olympic hockey to be part of the reality for
2:15:20
Speaker 2: NHL players. But there's compromises that have to be made somewhere,
2:15:24
Speaker 2: and the condensation of this tournament down to a couple
2:15:28
Speaker 2: of weeks and yeah, some overtime games being three on three,
2:15:31
Speaker 2: which is the same as regular season hockey in the NHL,
2:15:34
Speaker 2: had to be part of that. This is something I
2:15:38
Speaker 2: really really get bothered about when we talk about shootouts
2:15:42
Speaker 2: even right, A lot of people in soccer get really
2:15:46
Speaker 2: really mad when even after extra time there's no winner
2:15:51
Speaker 2: and it has to go to a shootout, because like, no,
2:15:53
Speaker 2: this is not the game, this is not We're not
2:15:55
Speaker 2: deciding it by playing the game. And it's like, I know,
2:16:00
Speaker 2: reason we're not deciding it by playing the normal game
2:16:02
Speaker 2: is because you couldn't decide it by.
2:16:04
Speaker 3: Playing the normal game. You already played the game.
2:16:06
Speaker 2: You played the game, and you couldn't get a definitive
2:16:09
Speaker 2: decision on who was better, so we have to do
2:16:12
Speaker 2: something else. Now, it's still within the rule, like the structure,
2:16:16
Speaker 2: the framework of what soccer is, or what hockey is,
2:16:19
Speaker 2: or what basketball is, or what college football is or
2:16:22
Speaker 2: what the NFL is, and they try to tweak these
2:16:25
Speaker 2: things and improve these things, but it's never going to
2:16:27
Speaker 2: be perfect. And you know why, it's never going to
2:16:29
Speaker 2: be perfect because perfection in those games is finishing in regulation,
2:16:35
Speaker 2: somebody finding who is the winner in regulation, and if
2:16:39
Speaker 2: you can't do it in regulation, and you have to
2:16:40
Speaker 2: do it in a different way afterwards. Take your medicine
2:16:44
Speaker 2: and say, if we were truly the better team, if
2:16:46
Speaker 2: we were that much better than so and so, we
2:16:48
Speaker 2: would have beat them in the rules set that we
2:16:50
Speaker 2: all knew was going to be in place for the
2:16:52
Speaker 2: first sixty minutes, I mean knew what was going to happen.
2:16:56
Speaker 3: We played it.
2:16:57
Speaker 2: We couldn't figure out who was better their goaltender and
2:17:00
Speaker 2: this case, Connor Hellibook stood on his head and saved
2:17:03
Speaker 2: the hopes of hockey in his damn country, and we
2:17:07
Speaker 2: could not break that wall. That's on us, not well
2:17:10
Speaker 2: the rules.
2:17:11
Speaker 3: We don't like three on three hockey.
2:17:13
Speaker 2: By the way, three on three hockey favors skill and
2:17:17
Speaker 2: speed more than anything else. And what is Canada have
2:17:20
Speaker 2: in spades skill and speed, So it's probably better for
2:17:24
Speaker 2: you three on three hockey, so knock it off.
2:17:28
Speaker 5: I feel like basketball is the only sport that we
2:17:31
Speaker 5: don't hear these complaints about because they just in every
2:17:35
Speaker 5: level you just add five minutes and whoever's leading after
2:17:39
Speaker 5: five minutes, and you don't you don't have a free
2:17:41
Speaker 5: thrower or three point shootout, which that's fine, but I'm
2:17:45
Speaker 5: with I'm with.
2:17:47
Speaker 1: You on this.
2:17:49
Speaker 5: We got to stop trying to change the rules to
2:17:52
Speaker 5: make it perfect. The NFL has had what four different
2:17:56
Speaker 5: overtime changes because since Josh Allen and the Bills didn't
2:18:01
Speaker 5: get the ball when they play didn't get the ball
2:18:03
Speaker 5: again when they played the Chiefs in that classic in
2:18:07
Speaker 5: the divisional round. Right, Like, you know what, at a
2:18:11
Speaker 5: certain point, we just have to be able to accept that.
2:18:14
Speaker 5: Sometimes guys that we want to win lose, well, like
2:18:18
Speaker 5: and you and you personally, sometimes you lose, man, and
2:18:21
Speaker 5: losing sucks and it feels unfair, but like you gotta
2:18:23
Speaker 5: be able to accept the loss.
2:18:24
Speaker 2: And there's just never a time where it only cuts
2:18:29
Speaker 2: one way. Ever, there's never a situation like Canada made
2:18:33
Speaker 2: it to the gold medal game with two overtime victories
2:18:37
Speaker 2: using three on three hockey. There was no complaint in
2:18:41
Speaker 2: those situations from the entire nation. America's hat was not like, well,
2:18:45
Speaker 2: we really shouldn't have beat the Fins, but we got
2:18:48
Speaker 2: we're good at three on three Hockey's we just when
2:18:52
Speaker 2: it goes your way, you never cry about it, right
2:18:55
Speaker 2: when there's a questionable call from the officials, but it
2:18:58
Speaker 2: favors your team. You might like side I look at
2:19:02
Speaker 2: your friend who's also a fanisher, ooh, we got lucky
2:19:04
Speaker 2: on that one. Hey, look TMSA got lucky in the
2:19:07
Speaker 2: gold medal game. They should have had a penalty called
2:19:10
Speaker 2: for too many men on the ice with a mess
2:19:12
Speaker 2: in a late shift change, right, would that have changed things? Potentially?
2:19:17
Speaker 2: Complain about that. I will listen to you, and then
2:19:19
Speaker 2: I will say, well, you should have had this called
2:19:22
Speaker 2: against you. You should have had that called against you.
2:19:23
Speaker 2: You might not have gotten past Sweden if you had
2:19:26
Speaker 2: had this called against you.
2:19:27
Speaker 3: Whatever. What was the was it the finished game? Yeah,
2:19:31
Speaker 3: it was the finished game, the semi final.
2:19:33
Speaker 5: Brad marshand. There was a lot of people that thought
2:19:36
Speaker 5: he was he interfered with the goalies. Should have been
2:19:38
Speaker 5: goalie interference on the game or was a game tying
2:19:41
Speaker 5: goal and that comeback win? Like you benefit from it,
2:19:44
Speaker 5: just like you just like you're victimized by it.
2:19:47
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm totally fine with when it's
2:19:49
Speaker 2: like but it's a you know, the University of Cincinnati
2:19:54
Speaker 2: coach being like, yeah, well we played them tough and
2:19:57
Speaker 2: then this call goes against us and that sucks. Or
2:20:00
Speaker 2: when it's some random high school coach or some fan
2:20:04
Speaker 2: base from wherever.
2:20:05
Speaker 3: But this is you have the best players in the world.
2:20:08
Speaker 2: We have a group of the best players in the world,
2:20:11
Speaker 2: but our collection is probably second to your collection.
2:20:14
Speaker 3: And you nae McKinnon should tuck his tail.
2:20:18
Speaker 2: And go back to Colorado, where hopefully he gets lustily
2:20:21
Speaker 2: booed by all the American fans there.
2:20:24
Speaker 3: He missed an open net.
2:20:27
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be one of the five best players
2:20:30
Speaker 2: on planet Earth. You had a situation, and again, these
2:20:34
Speaker 2: snapshots never tell the full story. But that snapshot tells
2:20:37
Speaker 2: a lot of the story. Where you have Connor Hellibuk
2:20:41
Speaker 2: is facing the opposite way, He is.
2:20:43
Speaker 3: Looking away from you.
2:20:45
Speaker 2: He has not even turned his head yet in the
2:20:47
Speaker 2: freeze frame, and the puck is on your stick, and
2:20:51
Speaker 2: there is open real estate in front of that entire
2:20:56
Speaker 2: wedge from back of the goal to you is wide open.
2:21:01
Speaker 3: And you missed. You didn't score the goal.
2:21:04
Speaker 2: You cannot then go and say, well, you we're the
2:21:06
Speaker 2: better team three on three hockeys, not real hockey.
2:21:10
Speaker 3: Well, then why is it part of your game? You
2:21:13
Speaker 3: are part of the decision making process.
2:21:15
Speaker 2: Coaches players in how overtime rules are handled now, it's
2:21:20
Speaker 2: a pretty indirect. If you don't like overtime hockey, you
2:21:24
Speaker 2: as a player can't be like, well, I'm not going
2:21:25
Speaker 2: to play overtime hockey. But you're you're part of the conversation,
2:21:29
Speaker 2: especially when you're a star player, especially when you're a coach,
2:21:32
Speaker 2: especially at the Olympic level, if you're Canada, like you
2:21:36
Speaker 2: guys could have you guys, And maybe they did.
2:21:39
Speaker 5: Maybe they spent some time the Canadian Olympic Committee, the
2:21:43
Speaker 5: Hockey Federation, whatever the titles are here. Maybe they spent
2:21:47
Speaker 5: some time trying to lobby against this and it didn't happen.
2:21:50
Speaker 5: I doubt it though, is that sort of thing. They'll
2:21:53
Speaker 5: probably do the lobbying now so that in four years
2:21:57
Speaker 5: it's not a thing. And I'm just I'm just going
2:22:00
Speaker 5: back to my earlier point. I'm sick of us trying
2:22:03
Speaker 5: to tweak everything to make it fair for everybody who lost. Like,
2:22:07
Speaker 5: just you gotta be able to accept that when you
2:22:10
Speaker 5: play a game. It's really it's hard to when you're
2:22:13
Speaker 5: really competitive. Oh see, But when you play a game,
2:22:17
Speaker 5: you can either win or you can lose, and sometimes
2:22:21
Speaker 5: it's out of your control whether you lose it and
2:22:25
Speaker 5: you feel like it was out of your control and
2:22:26
Speaker 5: that feels unfair, But you have to be able to
2:22:28
Speaker 5: accept it without going.
2:22:29
Speaker 3: No, let's just change the rules so I can win
2:22:32
Speaker 3: every time. It's stupid.
2:22:33
Speaker 2: Winning the game is ideal, right, Losing the game and
2:22:37
Speaker 2: taking your medicine and going home is silently is secondary option.
2:22:42
Speaker 2: Losing the game and complaining about the officials is worse
2:22:46
Speaker 2: than just going home quietly, but it's still not as
2:22:49
Speaker 2: bad as losing the game and then complaining about the
2:22:53
Speaker 2: rules set and the format completely. That is beneath you Canada,
2:23:00
Speaker 2: just like the US is beneath you geographically. That is
2:23:03
Speaker 2: beneath you to have the elite, elite players and coaches
2:23:07
Speaker 2: in a game that is your national pastime, saying well, we.
2:23:10
Speaker 3: Don't actually like this game that much when you get
2:23:12
Speaker 3: to overtime.
2:23:13
Speaker 2: We love everything about it in regulation, but we don't
2:23:16
Speaker 2: actually like it very much when we get to overtime,
2:23:18
Speaker 2: it's not as good. So it kind of doesn't count
2:23:21
Speaker 2: if you win in the not as good part. Now,
2:23:24
Speaker 2: if you're a fan and you want to do that,
2:23:26
Speaker 2: great fans are allowed. I will listen to whatever salty
2:23:29
Speaker 2: Canadian fan with the tim Horton's cup in their hand, saying, how.
2:23:33
Speaker 3: You know, talking about his casuals down here. Yeah, that's fine.
2:23:37
Speaker 3: That's how fans are supposed to behave.
2:23:39
Speaker 2: That is not how players and coaches at that level
2:23:42
Speaker 2: are supposed to behave. I would be if I would
2:23:44
Speaker 2: be embarrassed if this were the men's team, the United
2:23:48
Speaker 2: States been's team, if it had gone the other way
2:23:50
Speaker 2: and the Kachuck Brothers overtime monkeys. Sucks, man, But guys,
2:23:55
Speaker 2: that is a bad look, because it is. And by
2:23:59
Speaker 2: the way, ain't no shame in losing.
2:24:02
Speaker 3: To the best team in the world. See what I
2:24:04
Speaker 3: did there? Well, you were, say you were, say you
2:24:09
Speaker 3: were sick, even if you.
2:24:10
Speaker 5: Don't want to be petty about it, which of course
2:24:12
Speaker 5: we want to be petty about it. Ain't there's no
2:24:16
Speaker 5: shame in losing by one goal in overtime in a
2:24:19
Speaker 5: gold medal game like that's.
2:24:22
Speaker 2: Unless, of course, your entire national identity is wrapped up
2:24:25
Speaker 2: in this sport, in this sport only. And then, oh
2:24:28
Speaker 2: and by the way, the secondary national identity sport you
2:24:31
Speaker 2: got caught cheating in Canada. Yeah, maybe things are not
2:24:35
Speaker 2: going as well as you thought.
2:24:36
Speaker 5: Both the men and women by the way, got caught
2:24:38
Speaker 5: cheating in I By the way, that's the I'm glad
2:24:42
Speaker 5: we haven't brought it up yet, but as the curling expert,
2:24:45
Speaker 5: I feel obliged to bring it up. We did have
2:24:47
Speaker 5: one US versus Canada let down over the weekend, and
2:24:51
Speaker 5: that was the women, unfortunately falling in the bronze medal game.
2:24:55
Speaker 5: I was so they they got it to eight seven
2:24:58
Speaker 5: going into the final end. They were the US women
2:25:01
Speaker 5: were down for most of the game and I was like,
2:25:05
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, they could come back this rip this
2:25:09
Speaker 5: bronze medal from Canada and keep them off the podium
2:25:12
Speaker 5: number one team in the world in curling too.
2:25:16
Speaker 3: Unfortunately it wasn't in the cards for us. But but yeah,
2:25:19
Speaker 3: it's just.
2:25:21
Speaker 5: You gotta be we have to as a society, oh see,
2:25:24
Speaker 5: not to make this way bigger than it needs to be.
2:25:27
Speaker 5: But it is troubling that we just can't. That it
2:25:33
Speaker 5: feels like more than ever, we're having a hard way
2:25:36
Speaker 5: too hard a time accepting losses like weed. It's it's
2:25:41
Speaker 5: an essential part of life's life. Not everything's gonna go
2:25:45
Speaker 5: your way. And by the way, you're the you're the
2:25:47
Speaker 5: main character in your own story, But everyone else is
2:25:50
Speaker 5: the main character in their story, so it doesn't really
2:25:53
Speaker 5: matter if you fall just in someone else's perspective here,
2:25:57
Speaker 5: like you gotta you have to be able to accept that.
2:25:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:26:00
Speaker 2: And by the way, Team Canada, you wanted for Team
2:26:03
Speaker 2: USA to not be able to skate into the stands
2:26:06
Speaker 2: and not get Johnny Goudrou's kids and not have them
2:26:08
Speaker 2: posed with their dad sweater in the Olympic Championship.
2:26:11
Speaker 3: Pure that's what you want in Canada. Uh uh I
2:26:14
Speaker 3: thought I thought you guys liked Johnny hockey too. Up there?
2:26:19
Speaker 3: You spend what six seasons in Calgary?
2:26:22
Speaker 5: Come on, By the way, one other thing with this game,
2:26:26
Speaker 5: how about that double team Kuld Chuck body check into
2:26:31
Speaker 5: the stands at the very beginning of the game. That
2:26:34
Speaker 5: was if you weren't already hyped for this, for a
2:26:37
Speaker 5: gold medal game and this rivalry, and and if you're,
2:26:41
Speaker 5: if you're, if you're an American going.
2:26:45
Speaker 3: Oh, we we've been so close. It's our time.
2:26:47
Speaker 5: If that wasn't already hyping you up thirty seconds in
2:26:50
Speaker 5: the game, seeing the Ka Chuck brothers, who everybody hates
2:26:54
Speaker 5: unless it's Team USA Hockey or they're on your NHL,
2:26:57
Speaker 5: your favorite NHL team, like just double team.
2:27:02
Speaker 3: I can't remember who it was, but double team.
2:27:04
Speaker 5: The guy right off the side there, the announcer, the
2:27:08
Speaker 5: rink side analysts saying that happened right in front of
2:27:10
Speaker 5: my face.
2:27:11
Speaker 3: That was incredible, Like that was a lot of way
2:27:14
Speaker 3: to start thinking.
2:27:14
Speaker 2: The Kachuck brothers are nothing if not tone setters, So
2:27:17
Speaker 2: that was a good example of that. So this becomes
2:27:20
Speaker 2: part of, by the way, the official stance on things
2:27:23
Speaker 2: of the Shot O'Connell show. You are not allowed to
2:27:26
Speaker 2: complain about overtime rules or formats in sports.
2:27:29
Speaker 3: You're not.
2:27:30
Speaker 2: If you ever catch me doing it eight seven seven
2:27:33
Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred, call me and call
2:27:35
Speaker 2: me out. I get doctor James Peterson points if I
2:27:39
Speaker 2: ever do that. But I won't because I think it's silly.
2:27:42
Speaker 2: I like overtime, how it raises the stakes and makes.
2:27:46
Speaker 3: It harder to win. That's the whole point.
2:27:49
Speaker 2: You gotta find an end to the game, and you
2:27:52
Speaker 2: took sixty minutes and you waste it at all.
2:27:54
Speaker 5: When in physical sports like football and hockey, In sports
2:28:00
Speaker 5: like those two sports, and also in a tournament, when
2:28:05
Speaker 5: like the Olympics, where you're playing the next day or
2:28:07
Speaker 5: a couple days later. You cannot afford to have these
2:28:10
Speaker 5: things drag out another sixty minutes of game time, so
2:28:14
Speaker 5: you have to find a way. Like you said, it's
2:28:17
Speaker 5: an unfortunate like necessary evil if you view it that way,
2:28:20
Speaker 5: that we have to find a way to shorten this
2:28:22
Speaker 5: game and get an ending as quickly as we possibly can.
2:28:26
Speaker 5: And for hockey, they've decided three on three in the
2:28:30
Speaker 5: regular season in the NHL and in the Olympics, that's
2:28:33
Speaker 5: the best way to do it.
2:28:35
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy, okay, So anything's gonna be okay.
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Speaker 2: One of the chart toppers from nineteen eighty, which, of
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Speaker 2: course was the Miracle on Ice here last time team
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Speaker 2: USA Men's Hockey took home a gold medal.
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Speaker 3: He and Duke are here in studio today. There we go.
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Speaker 3: Duke's getting real froggy over here, here we go.
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Speaker 9: Duke has no chance, he has zero chance. Duke is
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Speaker 9: the Americans, uh, and Rocky is the Canadians.
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Speaker 3: Don't make Rocky a Canadian?
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Speaker 9: Well, No, Duke is just hoping to get to overtime
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Speaker 9: and have one shot at it. This is an absolute
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Speaker 9: mismatch over here. But Bucky Rocky out weighs Duke by
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Speaker 9: about seventy.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, our dogs are us basically. Yeah, good conversation, Eddon.
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Speaker 9: You know it's funny. I'm assuming you got up and
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Speaker 9: watched the thing live, right?
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Speaker 3: I did? Yeah, so did I.
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Speaker 9: So when we went when the third period ended, I
2:32:21
Speaker 9: had two reactions. Holy smokes, we survived and we have
2:32:25
Speaker 9: no shot at three on three. You know that That's
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Speaker 9: where my head was because if we're honest, Canada out
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Speaker 9: played us.
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Speaker 3: They did.
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Speaker 9: Yes, needed Hellibuck to go Jimmy Craig nineteen eighty, which
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Speaker 9: he did. But you know there's two sides of the
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Speaker 9: coin here, because you reference McKinnon just whipping on a
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Speaker 9: wide open det five on three for thirty. You know,
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Speaker 9: for ninety seconds it felt like twenty minutes out shooting us.
2:32:51
Speaker 9: What forty six to twenty eight on goal. So yes, Canada. Canada,
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Speaker 9: in my opinion, was the better team. But if you
2:32:58
Speaker 9: don't finish your chances in hockey and in soccer, it
2:33:01
Speaker 9: allows for that one moment and that's all you need,
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Speaker 9: the one moment where you turn the puck over and
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Speaker 9: Jack Hughes with no front teeth, just finishes it brilliantly.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean teeth that you knocked out earlier
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Speaker 3: in the game on a double minor. Yeah's beautiful.
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Speaker 4: It was.
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Speaker 3: It was as fun.
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Speaker 9: Of an event that I've watched just as a sports
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Speaker 9: consumer and in a long time.
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Speaker 3: Man, I really enjoyed it. I thought it was great.
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Speaker 2: By the way, in three on three hockey, Canada got
2:33:27
Speaker 2: basically the first run at it.
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Speaker 3: And what happened Connor mc david.
2:33:30
Speaker 2: Connor McDavid left the puck by itself about twenty feet
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Speaker 2: from the mouth of USA's goal. Yeah, just missed, just
2:33:38
Speaker 2: over pursued himself.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: And when hadd right past and when he got the goal,
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Speaker 9: I'm like, it's or when he got the puck, because
2:33:45
Speaker 9: when McDavid has that head speed, he's as fast as
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Speaker 9: any skater I've ever seen in my life.
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Speaker 3: He was too fast for his own self. It's really impressive.
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Speaker 9: So when they set up their play and you knew
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Speaker 9: what they were doing because he's the best in the
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Speaker 9: world right now, and he got the puck with a
2:33:59
Speaker 9: full the whole had of speed. I was ready to Okay,
2:34:02
Speaker 9: over done. You know, I'm still stunned that they were
2:34:05
Speaker 9: able to get it done. Man, it was a very
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Speaker 9: American win.
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Speaker 3: It was beautiful. It was incredible.
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Speaker 2: The postgame celebration where they brought Johnny Hockey's kids out
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Speaker 2: onto the ice.
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Speaker 3: Man, that's I'm getting real soft. I was with my
2:34:19
Speaker 3: my daughter.
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Speaker 2: My daughter woke up to watch with me, nice and
2:34:22
Speaker 2: so we're cuddling on the couch watching that and she's like, why,
2:34:26
Speaker 2: what's wrong. I was like, no, nothing was wrong. I'm
2:34:28
Speaker 2: just very happy for this team. Like that was a beautiful,
2:34:32
Speaker 2: beautiful thing. And you kind of forget how profound the
2:34:35
Speaker 2: brotherhood can be because it's professional sports, right, and all
2:34:40
Speaker 2: the players talked about it, especially with that moment.
2:34:42
Speaker 3: So, man, great day to be an American. Yeah, well,
2:34:46
Speaker 3: and you see why.
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Speaker 9: So the last the last CBA in the NHL was
2:34:49
Speaker 9: about five years ago, and as they were inch and look,
2:34:53
Speaker 9: every league does this where it's like, oh, the CBA
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Speaker 9: is coming up, we're far apart, we might have a lockout.
2:34:58
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah buth.
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Speaker 9: The conversation was some owners in the NHL, we're gonna
2:35:04
Speaker 9: push back on letting pros play in the in the Olympics,
2:35:08
Speaker 9: and it's the you can see why now that was
2:35:12
Speaker 9: the one issue where the players are like, we are
2:35:13
Speaker 9: dying on this hill just so you know, like this
2:35:16
Speaker 9: is important to us because as as much of an
2:35:20
Speaker 9: incredible accomplishment it is to win a Stanley Cup, I
2:35:24
Speaker 9: can't imagine what those guys were going through after winning
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Speaker 9: the first gold medal in forty six years against Canada
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Speaker 9: in overtime. You know, like you fight for moments like
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Speaker 9: that because it's got to mean more than anything you
2:35:36
Speaker 9: could possibly accomplish as a paid professional.
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Speaker 3: Would be my guest.
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Speaker 2: Happy for Connor Hellibuck too, because there's did a lot
2:35:42
Speaker 2: of conversation about him not being able to win the
2:35:44
Speaker 2: big one, and he did.
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Speaker 3: He won the biggest one.
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Speaker 2: And he did it without a ton of help for like,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, thirty two of those sixty minutes.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean he was yanked in the playoffs
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Speaker 9: last year, like three times right against the Blues.
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Speaker 3: Not a highlight.
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Speaker 9: What was he fifth round draft pick? Like the thirteenth
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Speaker 9: goalie drafted in that draft cycle. And you know, I
2:36:05
Speaker 9: was thinking about this on Sunday after the game was over.
2:36:08
Speaker 9: I think most people that cover sports believe the quarterback
2:36:12
Speaker 9: in football is the most important position in all of sports.
2:36:16
Speaker 9: There's one position where I think you have a little
2:36:18
Speaker 9: bit of an argument. It's it's goalie and hockey or
2:36:21
Speaker 9: keeper in soccer. You know, like, yeah, I mean, if
2:36:23
Speaker 9: you have an awesome wing in the NBA, you need that.
2:36:26
Speaker 9: But if you go like most important position in all
2:36:28
Speaker 9: of team sports, goalie your keeper is the only answer
2:36:32
Speaker 9: that I think you can put alongside quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Which is what's so interesting about this version of Team
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Speaker 2: Canada is Bennington's a good goalie, but he's not like
2:36:39
Speaker 2: a top five goalie in the world. So you've got
2:36:42
Speaker 2: top five guys at every other position on your second line,
2:36:46
Speaker 2: and then you've got you know, Trent Bilfer playing.
2:36:48
Speaker 3: Quarterback, right right, Yeah, No, it's a good point.
2:36:50
Speaker 9: And like we got the French AUPs in four years
2:36:55
Speaker 9: and then we've got Salt Lake after that Canada is
2:36:59
Speaker 9: not going to take this. I mean, look, I hope
2:37:02
Speaker 9: this is the start of a long, generational good run
2:37:05
Speaker 9: for USA hockey, but I think we forget just how
2:37:07
Speaker 9: good at hockey they are, and over the next four years,
2:37:10
Speaker 9: you know, this is not something that's gonna sit well
2:37:13
Speaker 9: with them.
2:37:13
Speaker 3: Won't matter if they don't have the goalie. This is true,
2:37:16
Speaker 3: This is true. Are we doing like the American thing today? Yeah?
2:37:19
Speaker 3: Oh nice? Okay, I didn't guess what we're We're claiming
2:37:22
Speaker 3: whatever we want from Canada today, are we really? Yep?
2:37:25
Speaker 3: Maple syrup. I'm taking maple syrup. I'm taking poutine. Mike Myers,
2:37:29
Speaker 3: all right, a lot of funny people. We've decided we
2:37:31
Speaker 3: want the Polar Bears because we don't have enough. Oh
2:37:34
Speaker 3: all right, so we can use a few more Polar Bears.
2:37:37
Speaker 2: We're taking the Polar Bears. French Canadian women for spence.
2:37:41
Speaker 9: Nice, thank you Mounties. I don't know, I'm gonna have
2:37:44
Speaker 9: to look at a list. Did I go too far?
2:37:47
Speaker 9: I'll have to look at a list of exports. What
2:37:50
Speaker 9: if Americans just start saying a with everything, we just
2:37:54
Speaker 9: were awesome at hockey and we say a.
2:37:56
Speaker 3: Now we just culturally appropriate. The whole he that not
2:38:00
Speaker 3: so well with them. Yeah, the whole point.
2:38:02
Speaker 9: Rachel McAdams Canadian. There you go against Bieber already got him,
2:38:07
Speaker 9: We got Beabes. Yeah, a lot of a lot of comedians,
2:38:11
Speaker 9: a lot of Rush. We'll take the Holy take, We'll take.
2:38:14
Speaker 3: The Holy Trinity. Trinity, We'll take Rush. What's up? Rush,
2:38:17
Speaker 3: I'm gonna continue the seam.
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Speaker 9: I'm gonna have to look at a list though, before
2:38:19
Speaker 9: I get to fitited a lot of good Canadian things.
2:38:21
Speaker 3: Yes, there is. They gave us insolent. We found that
2:38:23
Speaker 3: out on the show too, did they really? We'll shout
2:38:25
Speaker 3: out Canada.
2:38:26
Speaker 2: Then they also they also they also try to take
2:38:29
Speaker 2: peanut butter George Washington Carver, they're trying to steal peanut
2:38:33
Speaker 2: butter from him as the inventors.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know Canada, but what I do know
2:38:37
Speaker 3: is we're better than you are at hockey.
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Speaker 2: Our men and our women, well said, no notes. Stay
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