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- Fed Minutes Flag Hike Risk as U.S. Debt Tops $40 Trillion 2026-08-20 Alex: Welcome to Finance TL;DR Daily, the podcast where we break down the biggest stories in finance. Alex: It's Thursday, August twentieth. And today the Fed just told markets something they really didn't want to hear — a rate hike is still on the table. Riley: Here's what's moving today. Riley: So walk us through these minutes, because the market had basically priced in cuts and now we're talking hikes again. Alex: Right, these are the minutes from the July 28th and 29th meeting, released yesterday. The committee voted 9 to 3 to hold the federal funds rate steady at 3.5 to 3.75 percent. But buried in the text is this line — "many participants assessed that policy tightening would likely be necessary if inflation did not decline." Riley: And inflation hasn't declined, has it. PCE was still running at 3.7 percent annually in June. Alex: Correct, and that's well above the 2 percent target. Three officials actually dissented in favor of a quarter-point hike right then and there — Dallas Fed's Lorie Logan, Cleveland's Beth Hammack, and Minneapolis's Neel Kashkari. Riley: What strikes me is the timing. There's been a soft patch in the labor market, and normally that would push the Fed toward cutting, not hiking. Alex: That's the tension here. The minutes make clear inflation is winning the argument over the jobs numbers. Investors have now pushed back their expectations for the next hike to at least December. Riley: Which is a real shift from where sentiment was even a few weeks ago. Alex: It is, and it sets up a pretty direct collision with the White House, which brings us to the next bit of this story. Riley: Because President Trump isn't exactly taking this quietly. He was out again on Wednesday calling the current rate policy, in his words, ridiculous. Alex: What's he actually arguing? Riley: That the U.S. should have lower borrowing costs, full stop. He pointed to Switzerland, where the policy rate is around half a percent, and said, quote, "we pay three and a half percent." His argument is that every percentage point of Fed rate costs the government roughly 600 billion dollars in debt service. Alex: That's a striking number, but Switzerland's economy isn't exactly a fair comparison — different inflation profile, different debt picture entirely. Riley: Which is rather the point critics make. But politically, the argument lands because interest costs really have become enormous. This all landed the same week the national debt crossed 40 trillion dollars for the first time, with interest costs at 1.17 trillion through July of this fiscal year alone. Alex: And Fed Chair Kevin Warsh is holding the funds rate at a 3.625 percent midpoint specifically because inflation is running at 4.1 percent by his measure. Riley: So you've got the president pushing for cuts on cost grounds, and the Fed holding firm — possibly hiking — on inflation grounds. Something has to give, or at least that's the political read. Alex: The Treasury tried to do something about the cost side directly, separate from the Fed entirely. Riley: This is the buyback story. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent announced they'll at least double the size of their bond buyback program starting September 9th — going from a 2 billion dollar maximum up to at least 4 billion, running through November 4th. Alex: And did it work? Because that headline debt number, 40.047 trillion dollars as of Tuesday, is jarring on its own. Riley: It worked in the immediate sense. The 30-year yield fell from 5.26 percent down to about 5.18, and the 10-year dropped from 4.68 to 4.63. So bond markets liked the announcement. Alex: But that's a short-term fix for what sounds like a long-term problem. Riley: That's exactly the caveat. Former St. Louis Fed President Jim Bullard put it plainly — he said this doesn't change the fundamentals of big fiscal deficits and a Fed sitting on the sidelines, which is what's actually driving long-term yields higher. Alex: So the buyback shaves the edges off the yield curve, but the debt itself, and the nearly 1.2 trillion dollars a year in interest, isn't going anywhere. Riley: Interest costs are now the largest budget line item outside Social Security and Medicare. Buybacks are tactical. They're not a fix for that. Alex: Which makes the Fed's decision in September even more consequential, because monetary policy is really the only lever left that moves the fundamentals. Riley: Let's shift to something a bit more tangible for households — Walmart. Alex: Walmart's numbers seem contradictory at first glance. They raised guidance but the stock fell. What's going on there? Riley: The headline is that adjusted earnings per share came in at 68 cents, missing the 74 cents analysts expected. Revenue actually beat, at 177.4 billion dollars against estimates of 176.16 billion. Alex: So sales were fine, but profitability wasn't. Riley: Right, and Walmart still raised its full-year outlook, now guiding to net sales growth of 3.75 to 4.75 percent and adjusted EPS of 2.52 to 2.62 dollars. Part of that boost came from a tariff refund. Alex: But shares fell around 4 percent anyway, and this was Walmart's first earnings miss in over three years. Riley: The market focused on shrinking gross margins and rising costs tied to tariffs and inflation. CEO Doug McMillon said middle- and lower-income households have been more sensitive to tariff-related price increases, particularly in discretionary categories. Alex: So the story underneath the story is that even Walmart's core customer is pulling back on anything that isn't essential. Riley: Which matters well beyond Walmart, honestly. It's one of the clearest reads we get on consumer health across income levels. People are still spending, but they're feeling the squeeze, and that's a signal for the rest of retail heading into the back half of the year. Alex: Drug price pressure was cited too, pulling down U.S. sales specifically, even with the overall revenue beat. Riley: So resilience, but a fragile kind of resilience. Alex: A lot of threads today, but they all point the same direction — rates staying higher for longer, a debt load that's becoming unavoidable, and consumers already showing the strain. Riley: And it's worth watching whether the Fed's inflation fight and the White House's cost fight end up on a collision course by December. Alex: This has been Finance TL;DR Daily. We'll see you tomorrow.