Latest / The Right Time with Bomani Jones / NFL hires ZERO Black coaches, Giannis sweepstakes, Giants owner in Epstein files | 02.02

Transcript

NFL hires ZERO Black coaches, Giannis sweepstakes, Giants owner in Epstein files | 02.02 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

0:05
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
0:09
Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
0:11
Speaker 1: get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like,
0:16
Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
0:18
Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
0:21
Speaker 1: a hater. It is Super Bowl week. So, of course,
0:25
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Grammys and a few
0:28
Speaker 1: other things and the Epstein files.
0:30
Speaker 2: But This is, you know, I guess, Brian, you've only really.
0:33
Speaker 1: Been working in the game here, truly in the midst
0:35
Speaker 1: of the full-on internet era.
0:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
0:38
Speaker 2: But it is interesting how.
0:40
Speaker 1: Super Bowl week is not nearly as dominated by the
0:46
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the zeitgeist as it used to be.
0:49
Speaker 1: Because now we just got so much other bullshit to
0:51
Speaker 1: talk about.
0:52
Speaker 4: Right.
0:53
Speaker 2: Like, that used to not.
0:54
Speaker 1: Be the case, but it used to be like, it's Monday, media,
0:57
Speaker 1: or I think Monday or Tuesday, but like media day, right?
0:59
Speaker 3: That's now.
1:00
Speaker 2: Super Bowl opening night or something like that.
1:02
Speaker 1: Because media day does not mean the same thing because
1:05
Speaker 1: you see these.
1:05
Speaker 2: People all the time.
1:06
Speaker 3: All the time, yeah.
1:07
Speaker 2: No one is just introducing themselves to America in that way.
1:10
Speaker 3: I think I caught the last wave of that because
1:12
Speaker 3: that was like the mid-2010s.
1:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even then, I remember it started feeling like, huh. Like,
1:18
Speaker 1: to me, the biggest event... of uh super bowl week
1:23
Speaker 1: is actually the nba trade deadline which is thursday at
1:27
Speaker 1: three o'clock be on the lookout if there's something happening
1:29
Speaker 1: we'll be having a quick reaction about that one but
1:32
Speaker 1: the super bowl itself does not fill the week in
1:35
Speaker 1: the way that it used to like we don't need
1:37
Speaker 1: a press conference every day from the super bowl to
1:40
Speaker 1: give us things that we can talk about during the
1:43
Speaker 1: week we don't we don't need that Um, so instead
1:46
Speaker 1: we get to talk about what the NFL maybe doesn't
1:49
Speaker 1: want us to talk about, or you know what? They
1:51
Speaker 1: just might not give a fuck, which is we had
1:54
Speaker 1: 10 head coaching openings this year.
1:56
Speaker 2: I would like to take a moment to point.
1:57
Speaker 1: Out 10 head coaching openings is a lot guys. It's
2:01
Speaker 1: damn near 30% of the league turned over their coaches
2:06
Speaker 1: this year. And you know, whose fault it is. Kersignetti, man.
2:12
Speaker 1: Ain't no excuses, Indiana won. You gonna tell me you
2:15
Speaker 1: can't win with the Raiders? Indiana just won a national championship.
2:18
Speaker 2: Hey man, it's the Cardinals.
2:20
Speaker 1: Indiana just won a national championship. That's trickling down all
2:23
Speaker 1: the way to here. Get ready, in the NBA, Chris
2:25
Speaker 1: Cignetti gonna get some of y'all fired too. But anyway,
2:28
Speaker 1: 10 head coaches were hired. None of them were black.
2:36
Speaker 1: Not even the dude named Joe. Not even the dude
2:40
Speaker 1: named Jesse. Not even the dude named Robert who keeps
2:43
Speaker 1: a fade or a bald. I can't tell exactly what
2:45
Speaker 1: he's going here, but nope. Shit, two Mikes. Neither one
2:49
Speaker 1: of them was black. Nope. We got a dude whose
2:53
Speaker 1: name is spelled unconventionally. He ain't even black, but Ryan,
2:58
Speaker 1: it's the white people unconventional spelling.
3:00
Speaker 2: You know who I'm talking about, right?
3:01
Speaker 3: You're going to have to enlighten me.
3:03
Speaker 2: Clint with a K.
3:04
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I forgot we're on week two of Clint Gubiak.
3:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, look, you know what? What's his name?
3:11
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens did this too, right? But the thing with
3:13
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens is his last name is C. He named
3:16
Speaker 1: them all K because Ks are strikeouts.
3:18
Speaker 2: Whoa, buddy. That was a bit much.
3:21
Speaker 1: But anyway.
3:22
Speaker 3: Talk about someone who I'm glad doesn't have a podcast.
3:24
Speaker 2: Buddy.
3:25
Speaker 3: Buddy, buddy.
3:27
Speaker 1: He probably ain't even got no computer. But Gary Kubiak, Mr. Knipple,
3:32
Speaker 1: all you white people who give your kids these KK names,
3:35
Speaker 1: don't do this to us, because we're going to have
3:38
Speaker 1: that question. That being said, it's the great irony, Ryan,
3:41
Speaker 1: that the guy that really messed up in naming his
3:43
Speaker 1: kid is the guy who you would think would not
3:46
Speaker 1: make this mistake, and that would be Steve Kerr. For
3:50
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Steve Kerr has a
3:53
Speaker 1: son named Nicholas Knipple. who I believe has begun to
3:57
Speaker 1: go as Nicholas in public.
3:59
Speaker 2: But used to go by the shortening of Nicholas.
4:01
Speaker 1: Yes, as opposed to he used to go by Nick
4:05
Speaker 1: in his regular life, meaning his name was Nick Kerr,
4:08
Speaker 1: and you have to say it really slow.
4:10
Speaker 3: I'm going to stick with Nicholas.
4:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what? Or just Nick.
4:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
4:15
Speaker 2: Right.
4:15
Speaker 1: He just he just going to be Nick. That's that's
4:17
Speaker 1: that's all it could be. Maybe he you know what
4:19
Speaker 1: he needs to do. He needs to turn into a nickname.
4:22
Speaker 1: He needs to get out here and see if he
4:23
Speaker 1: can borrow that nickname from Nick Foles. Right. That's what
4:28
Speaker 1: he needed to do. He needed to go out here
4:29
Speaker 1: and get him a reputation in these streets. And then
4:32
Speaker 1: they could start calling him BDN. He could carry it out.
4:36
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to these coaches. No black coaches were
4:40
Speaker 1: hired in this cycle, though it is important to note
4:42
Speaker 1: that Robert Sala is Lebanese and from around Detroit. Well,
4:47
Speaker 1: he's from Dearborn, Michigan, and that's their town. They got
4:52
Speaker 1: that one, okay? You know, they went ahead and got
4:55
Speaker 1: that one. But that leads to, you know, semi-annual hand-wringing
5:03
Speaker 1: about hiring and Rooney Rules stuff and kind of looking
5:07
Speaker 1: at the fact that These things really go in cycles. Now,
5:11
Speaker 1: I used to do something every year on the Rooney Rule,
5:16
Speaker 1: and I kind of stopped in part because of the
5:19
Speaker 1: reason why I have to remind myself sometimes like, oh man,
5:22
Speaker 1: it's Martin Luther King Day.
5:23
Speaker 2: You know, you got something else on that.
5:25
Speaker 1: Because it felt to a degree like I was saying
5:27
Speaker 1: something new every year. And I try my best for
5:30
Speaker 1: those of y'all who are like dedicated to the squad.
5:33
Speaker 1: I kind of try my best not to repeat myself.
5:36
Speaker 2: And I guess in a way, It can feel a
5:39
Speaker 2: little bit. I don't know.
5:42
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to say it felt like
5:44
Speaker 1: there was no point, but it becomes somewhat difficult when
5:49
Speaker 1: it's just like, OK, so what's the new angle that
5:52
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to come up with about this? There's no
5:55
Speaker 1: point that I can make that hasn't been made before.
6:01
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this motherfucker still ain't listening. Therefore,
6:05
Speaker 1: maybe I just need to keep making it. I don't
6:08
Speaker 1: know exactly what it is that we are supposed to
6:12
Speaker 1: do on this one. Now, I have always felt that collectively,
6:17
Speaker 1: we do a terrible job in discussing this.
6:20
Speaker 2: On one hand, it's the, you should.
6:23
Speaker 1: Just hire the best candidate.
6:26
Speaker 3: Okay.
6:27
Speaker 2: You should be able to hire whoever you want. Not quite.
6:31
Speaker 4: Right.
6:32
Speaker 1: And then we get to the flip side of this,
6:34
Speaker 1: which is, you know, people on the other side.
6:36
Speaker 2: They're just sick of it.
6:39
Speaker 5: Right.
6:39
Speaker 1: And it could be put in italics and it could
6:42
Speaker 1: refer to many different things. But the bottom line is
6:46
Speaker 1: there's a little sick of it.
6:47
Speaker 4: Right.
6:48
Speaker 2: Well, what was the the sign that woman had?
6:51
Speaker 1: I forget. It was maybe 10 years ago during one
6:53
Speaker 1: of the protests. I was like, I can't believe I
6:55
Speaker 1: still got to protest this shit.
6:56
Speaker 3: Right.
6:57
Speaker 1: Right. This feels very similar when it comes to the
7:01
Speaker 1: Rooney Rule. Now, to me, there are a couple of
7:03
Speaker 1: worrisome things or patterns, we should say, or events that
7:06
Speaker 1: have happened in this. Number one, they used to do
7:09
Speaker 1: this kind of like speed dating event. I can't remember
7:13
Speaker 1: exactly what the name is, but it would get a
7:16
Speaker 1: bunch of coaches and a bunch of people who work
7:19
Speaker 1: with teams in the same room, and they would just
7:21
Speaker 1: kind of bounce from table to table and basically do
7:25
Speaker 1: speed dating to introduce themselves to the people who were
7:28
Speaker 1: in charge. And the argument behind it was that there
7:32
Speaker 1: are social networks at place that these black coaches do
7:35
Speaker 1: not get into. And therefore they don't have the opportunities
7:40
Speaker 1: to get FaceTime with these executives and to meet them.
7:43
Speaker 1: So if you put them in these positions to go
7:46
Speaker 1: around these rooms, then they would have the opportunity to
7:49
Speaker 1: meet these people. And I guess to a degree that
7:52
Speaker 1: made sense about my question on the other end was,
7:54
Speaker 1: I don't have a full understanding of how it is
7:56
Speaker 1: the white people were winding up meeting these same folks.
8:01
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying? Like, Yeah, we get it
8:04
Speaker 1: that social networks, race can be a barrier to entry
8:09
Speaker 1: into these social networks. But end of the day, you
8:11
Speaker 1: a quality control man at one of these teams, we
8:14
Speaker 1: need to talk more about how it is that this
8:15
Speaker 1: white man gets to meet who the man is at
8:17
Speaker 1: the top. Like the speed dating thing, basically, it seems
8:22
Speaker 1: to me to imply a different argument. It's not even
8:25
Speaker 1: the argument of, hey, man, white people feel more comfortable
8:29
Speaker 1: with white people. Black people feel more comfortable with black people.
8:32
Speaker 1: It's not even that argument. It is making the implication
8:35
Speaker 1: that there is no way for black people to get
8:38
Speaker 1: known by.
8:39
Speaker 2: These other people.
8:40
Speaker 1: And I guess the question I always had about that
8:43
Speaker 1: was that how they get the jobs that they have
8:44
Speaker 1: in the first place. Right.
8:46
Speaker 2: But at least they were trying.
8:50
Speaker 1: And it felt to me, remember, they made some expansions
8:52
Speaker 1: on the Rooney Rule, right? You had to interview two
8:55
Speaker 1: non-white candidates for these head coaching jobs. And you had
8:59
Speaker 1: to do this also for coordinator jobs. And I noticed,
9:02
Speaker 1: at least with my own eyes, at least maybe this
9:04
Speaker 1: was just anecdotal, but it sure felt like we had
9:07
Speaker 1: more black coordinators or at the very least more black
9:11
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators. Now, the real barrier had typically been Black
9:17
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. And that remains a barrier. And that becomes
9:21
Speaker 1: an important point that we'll get to. But I did
9:23
Speaker 1: feel like we were seeing more black defensive coordinators get
9:27
Speaker 1: that get that job. Like I can name more black
9:29
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators off the top of my head now than
9:32
Speaker 1: I probably have at any other point in my life.
9:36
Speaker 2: Uh Raheem Morris.
9:37
Speaker 1: Just got the job as defensive coordinator for the 49ers
9:42
Speaker 1: Kelvin Shepard has the job in Detroit where he replaced
9:46
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn who became a head coach was basically his
9:49
Speaker 1: own defensive coordinator uh Zach Orr was the defensive coordinator
9:52
Speaker 1: in Baltimore he's going to wind up it looks like
9:54
Speaker 1: making a move to get another gig The dude at Carolina,
9:58
Speaker 1: the Nigerian cat.
9:59
Speaker 2: I don't remember how to say his name.
10:01
Speaker 1: There's him. There's Vance Joseph in Denver, who is their
10:06
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. I'm not saying that my ability to name
10:09
Speaker 1: these five guys has completely changed the world. I am
10:14
Speaker 1: saying that I couldn't always name five guys. All right.
10:20
Speaker 1: There is a measure of progress in that that I
10:24
Speaker 1: think is important to note. I also think that it
10:27
Speaker 1: is important to note that while of these 10, none
10:31
Speaker 1: were black. Ryan, you help me out if I'm missing
10:33
Speaker 1: anybody here, but I've got Aaron Glenn, Ty Bowles, I
10:39
Speaker 1: guess Mike Tomlin just left of his own volition, but
10:42
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, Ty Bowles.
10:45
Speaker 3: D'Amico Ryans.
10:46
Speaker 1: D'Amico Ryans, damn, is that everybody?
10:49
Speaker 3: That might be everybody.
10:50
Speaker 1: Damn, I was actually hoping to do this with a
10:53
Speaker 1: little bit more of a flourish. I didn't expect this
10:57
Speaker 1: to go away. Yeah, well, I mean, the other problem
11:00
Speaker 1: that happens is when you fire the black coach, unless
11:03
Speaker 1: they try to save money, they ain't going to hire
11:05
Speaker 1: another one. Right? Like the Texans got super, well, no,
11:10
Speaker 1: the Texans had that thing where they were so sorry
11:12
Speaker 1: only a black man would take that job. Remember when
11:14
Speaker 1: they hired the dude that nobody had ever heard of?
11:18
Speaker 1: And then they hired Lovey Smith, who nobody else would hire.
11:21
Speaker 1: But then they did hire D'Amico Ryans. And we're fortunate
11:24
Speaker 1: that he was willing to take the job. They had
11:26
Speaker 1: a wife from Houston. And if you know anything about
11:28
Speaker 1: people from Houston, they always ready to get right back, right?
11:33
Speaker 1: That worked out well. You see how that is going
11:36
Speaker 1: for them, right? I think it's important at every step
11:41
Speaker 1: to acknowledge what is the case and not get quite
11:44
Speaker 1: as locked into what is not the case. All right. Now,
11:48
Speaker 1: the issue is with only those three. And if any
11:51
Speaker 1: of them wind up like Todd Bowles, how much longer
11:53
Speaker 1: are you going to be able to keep that job,
11:54
Speaker 1: for example? Right.
11:56
Speaker 3: Yeah. On the hot seat this year.
11:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Aaron Glenn. Let me tell you something.
12:02
Speaker 1: If I was in the business of arguing that racism
12:05
Speaker 1: was over, which I will never be in the business of,
12:07
Speaker 1: but if I was in that business, Aaron Glenn is
12:10
Speaker 1: getting to go to year two.
12:13
Speaker 3: And he fired his whole staff, like his whole offensive staff,
12:16
Speaker 3: like on Thursday.
12:18
Speaker 1: Look, we both live in this city. We both paid
12:20
Speaker 1: attention to that team. I would not have called the
12:25
Speaker 1: NAACP if they had fired Aaron Glenn.
12:28
Speaker 2: I would not have expended a morsel of capital. On
12:32
Speaker 2: that one. They looked awful. He did not handle the
12:36
Speaker 2: job well. All of those things.
12:38
Speaker 3: I hate to use the Q word, but they quit
12:41
Speaker 3: around Thanksgiving.
12:42
Speaker 1: They did quit.
12:43
Speaker 3: And they had five more football games to play.
12:45
Speaker 1: They didn't make an interception the whole year.
12:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
12:50
Speaker 2: He got to keep his job.
12:55
Speaker 3: With Woody Johnson as his owner.
12:57
Speaker 1: There's... There's something. Woody Johnson, who, by the way, he
13:01
Speaker 1: hired Sala?
13:03
Speaker 2: Well, no, he didn't hire Sala.
13:04
Speaker 1: That happened when he was over there in the UK, right?
13:08
Speaker 1: It was Ireland. I can't remember which one.
13:11
Speaker 2: Herm Edwards. That was his guy. He hired him.
13:14
Speaker 1: And Todd Bowles.
13:15
Speaker 3: Yep.
13:18
Speaker 1: You know what Woody Johnson is? Woody Johnson is the coaches. Well,
13:21
Speaker 1: Bud Adams was the quarterbacks. I don't want to talk
13:24
Speaker 1: to you about politics, but I got to say, when
13:26
Speaker 1: you want to make a case for yourself... I kind
13:29
Speaker 1: of got to stand down for a bit. But the
13:32
Speaker 1: 10th thing is not, it's, here's what was not encouraging
13:35
Speaker 1: to me. And Ryan, you and I both, we read
13:38
Speaker 1: a lot about these things. We pay attention.
13:41
Speaker 2: There's not a name anymore. Like, remember, Eric B. Enemy
13:44
Speaker 2: was the name. When is somebody going to give Eric B.
13:46
Speaker 1: Enemy a job? And I fell off of that because
13:48
Speaker 1: I was like, they was giving other brothers jobs and
13:49
Speaker 1: they weren't giving him one. Right. For whatever reason, Mike
13:52
Speaker 1: Zimmer used to be that guy. Vic Fangio used to
13:55
Speaker 1: be that guy like white guys. Now, granted, these are
13:56
Speaker 1: defensive guys, but guys that people like now we just
13:59
Speaker 1: not giving you this. We don't we don't see a
14:01
Speaker 1: head coach in you.
14:02
Speaker 3: Matt Nagy now. Yes.
14:04
Speaker 1: Yes.
14:04
Speaker 2: But hey, but he got a chance.
14:05
Speaker 1: Like that was the thing that made it frustrating with
14:07
Speaker 1: the enemy is that it felt like every offensive coordinator Andy.
14:10
Speaker 2: Reid ever had.
14:11
Speaker 3: Yes.
14:12
Speaker 1: Got a chance.
14:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
14:13
Speaker 1: Except for this guy, but there's no name. Like there's
14:16
Speaker 1: nobody that was being pushed and bandied around. And the
14:20
Speaker 1: reason is right now, you correct me if I'm wrong here,
14:24
Speaker 1: we're in boy genius mode in terms of the coaches
14:27
Speaker 1: that people want to hire. Like, so you've got the
14:31
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy, who I think of their own class, right?
14:34
Speaker 1: Guys with impeccable resumes, Super Bowl championships, you know, they're
14:39
Speaker 1: their own thing. But the kind of Shanahan McVay.
14:43
Speaker 2: Boy genius class is these other guys.
14:46
Speaker 1: The Kevin Stefanski, Joe Brady, who's not in that same tree,
14:51
Speaker 1: but you remember when he was the boy genius, right?
14:54
Speaker 1: Coming off the LSU thing. This has been, he been
14:57
Speaker 1: boy genius for so long, he's still a boy. Yeah.
15:00
Speaker 1: He's not 40 yet.
15:01
Speaker 3: Is he? I think he is. I think Joe Brady
15:04
Speaker 3: is right at the cusp of 40.
15:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I want to say he was like 32
15:08
Speaker 1: or 33.
15:08
Speaker 3: 36.
15:08
Speaker 1: He's 36.
15:11
Speaker 2: Right.
15:12
Speaker 1: You know, Michael LaFleur, Matt LaFleur's brother, but another one
15:15
Speaker 1: of those McVay guys in that class. Jesse Mentor, though defensive,
15:21
Speaker 1: kind of sort of in that in that boy genius class.
15:24
Speaker 2: I don't know that much about the Halfley guy.
15:26
Speaker 4: Do you?
15:27
Speaker 3: I mean, he used to coach at Boston. He went
15:30
Speaker 3: from Boston to Green Bay to Miami, so.
15:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all these guys, like Mike McDaniel was in
15:35
Speaker 1: the boy genius class. The only black dude right now
15:39
Speaker 1: that seems to be in the boy genius class is
15:42
Speaker 1: that Nate Sheilhas guy who's down there with the Rams.
15:45
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, somebody going to be real weirded
15:48
Speaker 1: out when they call him into that interview and he
15:50
Speaker 1: walks in. They're like, yeah, so where's Mr. Sheilhas?
15:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, where's Mr. S?
15:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, me.
15:56
Speaker 1: No, but.
15:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, he black. S-H-E-E-L-H-A-A-S-E, I believe is how you spell it.
16:02
Speaker 2: But he a black man, right?
16:04
Speaker 1: Not everybody going to be, like Mike McDaniel, when he
16:06
Speaker 1: gets in, Mike McDaniel gets in there and talks about,
16:07
Speaker 1: as a black man, what you mean?
16:10
Speaker 2: As a black man, what you talking about? I don't understand.
16:13
Speaker 1: But that's the place that the black dudes can't get
16:15
Speaker 1: to is the boy genius class. That's the hard part.
16:18
Speaker 1: You can get to the really good defensive mind. Like,
16:21
Speaker 1: so Brian Flores is an interesting case. Now, I've sealed
16:24
Speaker 1: you many times. I would not hire Brian Flores.
16:27
Speaker 4: Right.
16:29
Speaker 1: And by the way, he did get on when he
16:31
Speaker 1: was kind of seeing his Belichick genius guy.
16:33
Speaker 2: He got on. It's just he's.
16:35
Speaker 1: Never for for a slew of reasons, some of which
16:39
Speaker 1: have to do with coaching, most of which have to
16:41
Speaker 1: do with personality and one of which is a lawsuit.
16:45
Speaker 1: He's not going to wind up getting that job. But offense,
16:48
Speaker 1: we still can't get there. The holdup remains becoming offensive
16:54
Speaker 1: boy genius guy, or even just offensive coordinator. That remains
16:59
Speaker 1: the holdup. I don't know, or in my own head,
17:03
Speaker 1: I don't have mechanics or mechanisms for breaking through that
17:08
Speaker 1: one particular place. But that's the holdup. Like looking at
17:12
Speaker 1: these hires, Stefanski, offensive guy. McCarthy, Brady, Munkin, Kubiak, LaFleur.
17:18
Speaker 1: They lean toward offensive guys because if you have a
17:21
Speaker 1: very good offensive guy, somebody else is going to try
17:23
Speaker 1: to hire him and you're going to eventually have to
17:25
Speaker 1: make him the head coach anyway. That's what the argument becomes, right?
17:30
Speaker 1: I just know this, and I want to close with
17:33
Speaker 1: this because I think that this part is very important.
17:37
Speaker 1: The problem with hiring as it relates to race in
17:42
Speaker 1: the NFL is not the Rooney rules. The problem is
17:48
Speaker 1: that not that the Rooney rule is ineffective, okay? That
17:55
Speaker 1: would be like saying that the problem with cancer is
17:59
Speaker 1: that you can't fix it with an aspirin. That is
18:02
Speaker 1: not about the limitations of aspirin. That's about the problem
18:07
Speaker 1: with cancer. And the NFL has a cancer of racism
18:13
Speaker 1: when it comes to hiring people at these levels.
18:17
Speaker 2: The problem is them.
18:20
Speaker 1: Dan Graziano, my buddy who I like a lot, he
18:23
Speaker 1: sent a tweet out that says something about how this
18:25
Speaker 1: was not.
18:25
Speaker 2: A banner year for the Rooney rule. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
18:29
Speaker 1: And I'm not like I don't chastise Dan for this.
18:33
Speaker 1: I think he just fell into an error that a
18:35
Speaker 1: lot of people fall into when it comes to the
18:37
Speaker 1: phrasing on this. And that is to blame the rule
18:39
Speaker 1: because nobody wants to blame the white people. The problem
18:43
Speaker 1: in this case is the white people who do, or
18:46
Speaker 1: more accurately, do not do some of this hiring. The
18:50
Speaker 1: issue there is them. The issue is the owners. It's
18:53
Speaker 1: all these people on top. They are the problem. And
19:00
Speaker 1: I don't think that we could ever truly have any
19:03
Speaker 1: measure of solution on this until we are more honest
19:07
Speaker 1: about who the issue is. The issue is the people
19:11
Speaker 1: who ultimately decided to enact a Rooney Rule just because
19:14
Speaker 1: Johnny Cochran, rest in peace, was about to sue them
19:17
Speaker 1: into the ground.
19:19
Speaker 2: That is what made them act.
19:21
Speaker 1: It is only under the threat of litigation that they
19:23
Speaker 1: will act. Now, what is tricky, as I have said,
19:26
Speaker 1: are people like, we need to get rid of the
19:27
Speaker 1: Rooney Rule.
19:27
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no.
19:28
Speaker 1: They don't want to do that because they don't want
19:29
Speaker 1: to wind up back in court. But I don't have
19:31
Speaker 1: any idea if you can go to court anymore about
19:33
Speaker 1: race stuff, given the rules of the current regime and
19:37
Speaker 1: everything else, right? I don't have the answers on that part.
19:43
Speaker 1: But I just want to remind everybody something that we
19:47
Speaker 1: often forget or in our phrasing we ignore. I did
19:53
Speaker 1: an event the other night with my good buddy Howard
19:56
Speaker 1: Bryant for his book at the Jackie Robinson Museum. And
20:02
Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson's son David had flown in from Tanzania And
20:05
Speaker 1: he stood up and he talked about progress and how
20:08
Speaker 1: sometimes we can talk about how we have not seen
20:10
Speaker 1: all the progress that we want to see. But there
20:12
Speaker 1: has been great progress over time. And I think coaching
20:16
Speaker 1: is an interesting place for that because there has been progress.
20:20
Speaker 1: Like I was alive for the first black head coach
20:24
Speaker 1: that we all admitted was black and got a job
20:28
Speaker 1: in the modern era. And that was Art Shell. Right.
20:32
Speaker 1: You ever heard of Wayne Fonts?
20:36
Speaker 3: I have not.
20:37
Speaker 1: Okay, Wayne Fonts used to coach the Lions. I want
20:41
Speaker 1: you to look up a picture of Wayne Fonts. Go
20:45
Speaker 1: ahead and look at it right now.
20:49
Speaker 3: Yep.
20:49
Speaker 1: I just want to point out to you that he
20:51
Speaker 1: became a head coach the year before Art Schell. I
20:56
Speaker 1: also want to point out to you that Wayne Fonts,
20:59
Speaker 1: his people are from Cape Verde.
21:03
Speaker 2: I don't know about you.
21:04
Speaker 1: But people from Cape Verde are black everywhere else I've
21:07
Speaker 1: heard of.
21:08
Speaker 3: That was my understanding as well.
21:09
Speaker 2: However, somehow he just slipped through.
21:12
Speaker 1: The pioneer hiding in plain sight.
21:16
Speaker 2: And he probably still at the house like, man.
21:17
Speaker 1: If you don't shut your black ass up. Quiet, quiet.
21:22
Speaker 1: But anyway, I was alive when Art Shell got this.
21:25
Speaker 1: I have seen stretches where there was six or seven people.
21:27
Speaker 1: Blackhead coaches. I've seen the Saturdays of the Rooney Rule
21:30
Speaker 1: where they were out here making moves. I remember when
21:33
Speaker 1: Tony Dungy got fired in Tampa and Jim Irsay said,
21:37
Speaker 1: my number one candidate is Tony Dungy and went down
21:39
Speaker 1: and hired Tony Dungy, right? Things are not what they were.
21:44
Speaker 1: They are not good enough, but it is important for
21:47
Speaker 1: those of us who speak on these matters to acknowledge
21:49
Speaker 1: where things have gotten better, okay? But I brought up
21:52
Speaker 1: what David Robinson said about progress because I made a
21:55
Speaker 1: point there that we can never forget is that when
21:57
Speaker 1: it comes to progress, In this presence of racism, it
22:02
Speaker 1: is not me and my people who need to make progress.
22:05
Speaker 1: It is white people that need to make progress. It
22:08
Speaker 1: is not us who created these circumstances. It is them
22:12
Speaker 1: who created these circumstances. And they are the ones that
22:15
Speaker 1: need to do better. And as I say every year
22:18
Speaker 1: about this, the biggest winner from the Rooney Rule and
22:22
Speaker 1: breaking down those barriers of racism would be the white people.
22:28
Speaker 1: One black coach will get a job, okay? Two black
22:31
Speaker 1: coaches might get a job. But if y'all start hiring
22:34
Speaker 1: better coaches, by the way, something you've never been good
22:38
Speaker 1: at is hiring.
22:38
Speaker 2: Coaches, right?
22:40
Speaker 1: Y'all should be trying to hire Martians. Y'all should be
22:42
Speaker 1: trying anything. Like, let me tell you something. If anybody
22:46
Speaker 1: spent a hundred motherfucking years hiring black people at something
22:50
Speaker 1: and it didn't work, we get one chance and they
22:52
Speaker 1: don't hire another one after that. Y'all hire white man
22:55
Speaker 1: after white man, like the Giants. Y'all hire white men
23:00
Speaker 1: after white men, after white men, after white men.
23:02
Speaker 2: It ain't work one.
23:03
Speaker 1: Time and not once if you said, maybe we should
23:05
Speaker 1: try something crazy, right? It ain't work for you not once.
23:10
Speaker 1: Not one person has just been like, fucking call the
23:13
Speaker 1: black guy.
23:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm out of answers.
23:16
Speaker 1: Right. Now, what have you made the decision that maybe
23:20
Speaker 1: we should just try something out of the box in.
23:23
Speaker 2: Order to make this happen?
23:24
Speaker 1: Y'all hired Joe Judge. Y'all out here are special teams
23:27
Speaker 1: coaches or whatever it is. And not one time because
23:29
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, maybe we should try something else.
23:31
Speaker 4: Right.
23:32
Speaker 1: Y'all would be the winners if you expanded your reach
23:35
Speaker 1: and maybe got out there and got some good coaches
23:37
Speaker 1: and made your teams better. Right. It would serve a
23:41
Speaker 1: black person at a time. It would serve the whole
23:44
Speaker 1: league if you acted right. We ain't the ones that
23:48
Speaker 1: need to make progress. They the ones that need to
23:51
Speaker 1: make progress. So why don't you buck the trend of
23:54
Speaker 1: American history and do something that would help you out
23:59
Speaker 1: as opposed to just being dedicated to racism? Because that's
24:03
Speaker 1: the thing. So many places, so many times. Ryan, you're
24:06
Speaker 1: an LSU football fan. You're of the age, however, how
24:09
Speaker 1: you don't remember when LSU was like, no, we just
24:11
Speaker 1: rather be racist than win.
24:13
Speaker 3: It was a long time.
24:15
Speaker 4: Oh, man.
24:15
Speaker 1: It was the whole SEC.
24:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:17
Speaker 2: Except for Alabama.
24:18
Speaker 1: They were like, hey, buddy.
24:21
Speaker 2: We ain't going to take all of you, but we'll
24:23
Speaker 2: take more than them.
24:24
Speaker 1: Well, what was that?
24:25
Speaker 2: We will not be out-inverted. I will tell you that.
24:27
Speaker 1: Texas spent a long time being like, nah, we'd rather
24:30
Speaker 1: be racist than win football games. Shit, they did it again. Well,
24:32
Speaker 1: I don't root for them no more.
24:33
Speaker 2: But that damn song. They were like, nah, we'd rather
24:36
Speaker 2: be racist.
24:36
Speaker 1: Ole Miss. you know, our state is 36% black and
24:40
Speaker 1: black people seem to be very important in these sports.
24:43
Speaker 2: But now we had these flags that we would rather wave.
24:47
Speaker 2: That's America.
24:47
Speaker 3: They'd rather rebel.
24:49
Speaker 1: Yep. We'd rather, we would literally rather be worse than
24:54
Speaker 1: do better. That's how this is stacked up at every
24:57
Speaker 1: turn and they keep on doing it. And I'm just
25:00
Speaker 1: here to tell you after one more year, Either you
25:05
Speaker 1: let Kersignetti get somebody else fired, or.
25:09
Speaker 2: You try something new. All right, we mentioned the NBA
25:17
Speaker 2: trade deadline is going to be Thursday.
25:19
Speaker 1: Ryan, you think they're going to get Giannis moved by then?
25:23
Speaker 3: I sure hope so. I think we've been kind of
25:28
Speaker 3: teetering and tottering about it for two and a half
25:30
Speaker 3: years now, and I don't know if we can do
25:32
Speaker 3: another six months of it.
25:33
Speaker 1: He's getting it. He's not getting bad advice. I think
25:37
Speaker 1: he's actually getting pretty good advice. He, however, when you
25:41
Speaker 1: got to pick people, like, to emulate as an NBA superstar,
25:46
Speaker 1: it's a long list of guys that you could choose.
25:49
Speaker 1: You could choose to emulate Michael Jordan. You could choose
25:52
Speaker 1: to emulate LeBron James. You want to kick it old school,
25:55
Speaker 1: you could emulate Bill Russell. You know, it's a lot
25:58
Speaker 1: of guys, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, that you could look
26:01
Speaker 1: at and be like, yeah, I want to kick it
26:03
Speaker 1: like they did, right? That'll get me to where I
26:05
Speaker 1: want to be. I would argue that kicking it like
26:10
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard is not what I would recommend.
26:16
Speaker 6: Okay?
26:18
Speaker 1: If you are outside of the paint on defense, I
26:23
Speaker 1: don't think that emulating Dwight Howard is the way to go.
26:28
Speaker 1: And Giannis is... apparently playing the full-on Dwight Howard role
26:37
Speaker 1: on his way out of town. And he needs to
26:41
Speaker 1: remember that that ended for Dwight Howard in being roundly
26:49
Speaker 1: disliked after being pretty universally beloved for.
26:57
Speaker 2: About eight years. But that's what we got here.
27:02
Speaker 1: Now, for those of you who don't remember this, and
27:06
Speaker 1: let's be clear, Dwight handled this a lot worse.
27:10
Speaker 2: Dwight.
27:12
Speaker 1: was set to be a free agent in Orlando. But
27:17
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be a free agent because his
27:19
Speaker 1: contract was going to expire. He had a player option
27:24
Speaker 1: to get out of his deal. And this is years
27:27
Speaker 1: after they had been to the finals. The Magic are
27:29
Speaker 1: not really competitive in that way. It had long been forecast.
27:35
Speaker 1: that he was going to wind up being the next
27:37
Speaker 1: great big man to wind up going to play for
27:40
Speaker 1: the Lakers, following in the footsteps of Will Chamberlain, um,
27:43
Speaker 1: and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. And we all knew this, but every
27:47
Speaker 1: interview with Dwight was about how Dwight loved Orlando and
27:51
Speaker 1: he's torn. And, you know, he doesn't really know what
27:53
Speaker 1: to do, or he really loves Orlando, so forth and
27:55
Speaker 1: so on everything else. But we all understood that Dwight
27:59
Speaker 1: wanted to get out of there. Um, And I'm trying
28:03
Speaker 1: to remember the exact order of events.
28:05
Speaker 2: Ryan, do you remember.
28:06
Speaker 1: If he opted? No, he must have opted in after
28:09
Speaker 1: the weird Stan Van Gundy press conference. Stan Van Gundy
28:12
Speaker 1: got in front of us and told us that Dwight
28:14
Speaker 1: was trying to get him fired.
28:16
Speaker 3: I think he opted. It was all within... like a
28:19
Speaker 3: 48-hour trade deadline window. So he like opted in. I
28:23
Speaker 3: think he opted in, then tried to get, and then
28:25
Speaker 3: the press conference happened.
28:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot going on. But basically, for
28:28
Speaker 1: those who don't remember, Stan Van Gundy's doing this press
28:30
Speaker 1: conference where he's talking about how he's literally sick of
28:33
Speaker 1: the bullshit that's going on and that he knows that
28:35
Speaker 1: Dwight has tried to get him fired. And while he's
28:38
Speaker 1: standing there saying this, Dwight comes and put his arm
28:41
Speaker 1: around him We're all fine.
28:43
Speaker 2: Everything's okay.
28:44
Speaker 1: People act like we got problems. There are no problems.
28:47
Speaker 1: And he has no idea that Stan just told everybody,
28:51
Speaker 1: this dude's trying to get me fired. And then Stan
28:54
Speaker 1: walked away and left him standing there to look like
28:57
Speaker 1: a fool and nothing was the same. Then he went
29:00
Speaker 1: and played with Kobe and Kobe did him no favors
29:05
Speaker 1: and nothing has ever been the same.
29:07
Speaker 2: But what ultimately went down is we viewed Dwight as
29:10
Speaker 2: a phony from that moment on.
29:13
Speaker 1: And I think what bothered people was everybody would have
29:16
Speaker 1: understood if he wanted to.
29:18
Speaker 2: Get out of town, right?
29:19
Speaker 1: No matter what he had said before about how he
29:22
Speaker 1: wanted to stay there forever, dah, dah, dah.
29:24
Speaker 2: In the end, people understand things change.
29:26
Speaker 1: Look at the divorce rate, right?
29:29
Speaker 3: And not just change, change and go to the Lakers,
29:31
Speaker 3: which is a tale as long as the NBA Yes.
29:34
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:34
Speaker 1: But just even if it's not the Lakers, just get
29:36
Speaker 1: me out of here.
29:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:37
Speaker 1: I don't want to play here anymore. It was an
29:41
Speaker 1: understandable thing. Now the trick bag for him is that
29:44
Speaker 1: they hadn't won a championship there.
29:46
Speaker 3: Right.
29:46
Speaker 1: So you can make the argument of unfinished business. But
29:48
Speaker 1: he had gotten them to the finals. He got them
29:50
Speaker 1: to the finals on a team where the second best
29:52
Speaker 1: player was either Hidu Turkoglu or Rashard Lewis. Right. Got
29:55
Speaker 1: up with getting LeBron James out of there.
29:57
Speaker 2: The best postseason version of LeBron we have ever seen.
30:01
Speaker 1: And he got him out of there in six games.
30:03
Speaker 4: Right.
30:04
Speaker 2: In that one.
30:04
Speaker 1: It took superhuman LeBron-ness to even stretch it to six.
30:08
Speaker 3: Right.
30:10
Speaker 1: But he looked phony. And people are like, dude, why
30:14
Speaker 1: you keep lying to us when we know what time
30:16
Speaker 1: it is with you? And that is exactly what is
30:18
Speaker 1: happening with Giannis. And it is a very similar story. Now,
30:20
Speaker 1: Dwight was the number one pick in the draft, but
30:22
Speaker 1: they both kind of had this all shucks sort of charm. Right.
30:27
Speaker 1: They kind of had a you know, they're the guys
30:28
Speaker 1: that want to do the right thing. They they they
30:31
Speaker 1: are seen as being moral white hats, basically, in this
30:35
Speaker 1: league in a number of ways. Dwight was wrapped up
30:38
Speaker 1: in Jesus. Giannis has like a real life. He got
30:42
Speaker 1: an immigrant story to go with the immigrant story. Man,
30:46
Speaker 1: man didn't have no, he was a man went out
30:48
Speaker 1: of state in Greece with no passport. Couldn't get a
30:51
Speaker 1: passport till he came here. That Attentacupo, that's not his name.
30:55
Speaker 1: That's how the Greeks decided to re-spell his name when
30:57
Speaker 1: they finally decided to give him.
30:58
Speaker 2: A passport, right?
31:00
Speaker 1: Like he had to live a life where he wasn't
31:01
Speaker 1: even under his own name, where he had no country
31:04
Speaker 1: to truly call his own. He comes over here and
31:07
Speaker 1: is one of the most amazing NBA stories that we've
31:10
Speaker 1: ever had.
31:11
Speaker 2: In the ascent.
31:13
Speaker 1: He won that championship and buddy, nobody stretching that one
31:17
Speaker 1: ring out farther than he is. I used to say
31:19
Speaker 1: that Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce were getting the most
31:22
Speaker 1: mileage out of their one ring out of anybody else,
31:26
Speaker 1: just in the ways it changes your reputation, right? Like
31:29
Speaker 1: it allows us to think of Dirk as maybe a
31:32
Speaker 1: top 15 all-time player, but more importantly, not as a
31:35
Speaker 1: soft Euro. It allows Paul Pierce into some different conversations,
31:40
Speaker 1: but with Giannis, But like this, if Paul Pierce never
31:44
Speaker 1: won a championship, we would not sit around talking about
31:46
Speaker 1: what Paul Pierce was not.
31:48
Speaker 2: We wouldn't do that.
31:49
Speaker 1: Giannis is at that superstar caliber, the same way Dirk was,
31:53
Speaker 1: where we would be talking about what you're not, right?
31:56
Speaker 1: There has been a point where you've been the best
31:58
Speaker 1: player in the NBA. There's an argument that Dirk Nowitzki
32:00
Speaker 1: had that stretch also. But not only you've lost as
32:04
Speaker 1: an eight seed, as a one seed to an eight seed,
32:07
Speaker 1: which by the way, also in the Dirk Nowitzki playbook,
32:10
Speaker 1: There's the blown 2-0 lead in 2019. I mean, there's
32:13
Speaker 1: some really embarrassing postseason losses for Giannis along the way.
32:18
Speaker 1: And we let them slide because he already got that championship.
32:23
Speaker 4: Right.
32:24
Speaker 1: But it's hard to overcome the label of being phony.
32:27
Speaker 1: And the truth is you want out of there. We
32:30
Speaker 1: all understand that you don't want to want out of there.
32:34
Speaker 1: But you do. Does that make sense?
32:36
Speaker 3: Yes. You don't want to want to leave, but you
32:40
Speaker 3: want to leave.
32:40
Speaker 1: Yeah. And look, they've done all the things to try
32:43
Speaker 1: to keep you there. And you don't want to feel
32:45
Speaker 1: like they did all those things in vain. But they
32:47
Speaker 1: did all the things to try to keep you there.
32:50
Speaker 1: And you are still playing at a level that we
32:52
Speaker 1: would think of as MVP caliber basketball in a world
32:55
Speaker 1: that didn't have Shea Gilders, Alexander and Jokic who's coming back.
32:58
Speaker 4: Right.
32:59
Speaker 2: We all get that.
33:01
Speaker 1: But you got to stop telling us or stop pretending
33:04
Speaker 1: like this isn't what it is. You want to go,
33:06
Speaker 1: you're going to have to be the bad guy, right
33:08
Speaker 1: fast and go. The truth is, if you had leveled
33:11
Speaker 1: with all those people there and been like, look, I've
33:14
Speaker 1: done everything I can here, but I think it's time
33:17
Speaker 1: for me to go somewhere else. I think the people
33:20
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, because they got the ring, would then understand.
33:24
Speaker 1: They see what's happened for the team. They want to
33:27
Speaker 1: move into the future. They could talk about getting some
33:29
Speaker 1: picks and everything else. They would ultimately be okay with you,
33:32
Speaker 1: even if they were mad at you for a little while.
33:34
Speaker 1: Case in point, they love LeBron again in Cleveland. Right?
33:40
Speaker 1: And he embarrassed them in front of America.
33:43
Speaker 2: You could be fine, but you just got to go ahead.
33:47
Speaker 1: And own that part and be straight ahead with it.
33:49
Speaker 1: Now for you, maybe it's too late, right? The thing
33:53
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at, Ryan, I keep seeing these trade
33:55
Speaker 1: packages that people say that the Bucs can get, and
33:57
Speaker 1: I don't know about none of them.
33:59
Speaker 3: Especially the ones for the teams he's rumored to want
34:02
Speaker 3: to go to.
34:02
Speaker 1: So the rumors are that he wants to go to,
34:04
Speaker 1: and I've been told this, Minnesota, New York, and Miami.
34:11
Speaker 1: I don't think Miami turns into a winner necessarily. You
34:15
Speaker 1: do that if you believe.
34:16
Speaker 2: In Pat Riley.
34:17
Speaker 1: Right, which.
34:18
Speaker 3: Who's getting up there.
34:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, in 2026, I don't know about that, right?
34:23
Speaker 1: But I would be terrified of what you do against
34:25
Speaker 1: a team if you got Bam and Giannis.
34:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck.
34:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
34:29
Speaker 1: How are you guys going to score? Okay, that's the
34:32
Speaker 1: Nigeria going to be all. That's the Nigeria squad right there.
34:36
Speaker 1: You know, they need to move. They can only be
34:38
Speaker 1: more Nigerian if they played in Houston. That would be
34:41
Speaker 1: the only way. Minnesota, a bit surprising that that's where
34:47
Speaker 1: he says he.
34:48
Speaker 2: Might want to go.
34:50
Speaker 1: New York, they'll love him here because I've been telling
34:55
Speaker 1: people this, that at some point people in this city
34:57
Speaker 1: were going to realize they didn't like Carl.
34:59
Speaker 2: Towns' game.
35:02
Speaker 3: Took about what, 15 months?
35:04
Speaker 1: A year and a half.
35:05
Speaker 2: You live here with me. It has happened. Even with
35:08
Speaker 2: the missed.
35:08
Speaker 1: Free throws, they'll love Giannis' game.
35:10
Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:11
Speaker 1: Giannis plays hard. Giannis plays tough. Giannis is not afraid
35:14
Speaker 1: of being embarrassed. Right?
35:16
Speaker 2: Like all of those things.
35:18
Speaker 1: And if you put him there with, say, Jalen Bruncie,
35:20
Speaker 1: you got somebody to take the big shots so you
35:22
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about the free throw.
35:24
Speaker 4: Right.
35:24
Speaker 2: Situation.
35:24
Speaker 1: Like you've got the parts that are there. I think,
35:28
Speaker 1: and I've said on this show many times, that I
35:30
Speaker 1: think for a lot of these guys, the game down
35:31
Speaker 1: the line is just going to be stay where you are.
35:35
Speaker 3: Right.
35:36
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Just stay where you are
35:38
Speaker 1: because of it's so hard to do anything with these
35:40
Speaker 1: aprons and everything else.
35:42
Speaker 2: You probably got you might as well.
35:44
Speaker 1: The idea that you're going to go somewhere and now
35:46
Speaker 1: you'll be a champion in a couple of years is
35:48
Speaker 1: going to be impossible for you again.
35:50
Speaker 4: Right.
35:50
Speaker 1: You might be better off just staying where you are.
35:53
Speaker 1: But there are no the oh, my God, it's so hard, man.
35:56
Speaker 1: Don't nobody want to hear that shit, man. Either I'm
35:58
Speaker 1: staying or I need to go. But you can't... Because
36:03
Speaker 1: didn't he be hitting us with the, I don't know
36:04
Speaker 1: where all these rumors are coming from? Yes, you do.
36:08
Speaker 1: That's the one that people don't want to hear. I
36:11
Speaker 1: don't understand why people keep... Yes, you do, right? Carmelo
36:17
Speaker 1: is a great example. He got ugly at the end
36:19
Speaker 1: with Denver. And I've said this many times, the fact
36:22
Speaker 1: that Denver gave his number away is the pettiest thing
36:25
Speaker 1: in the world. They did it, but they did it
36:27
Speaker 1: multiple times. It's ridiculous that they did that.
36:30
Speaker 2: But Melo... never acted like he didn't want to leave.
36:35
Speaker 2: He never did.
36:37
Speaker 1: And I think that part in the moment bothered people,
36:40
Speaker 1: but I think you have to look back on it
36:41
Speaker 1: like it was actually fairly admirable.
36:43
Speaker 2: Like, look, man, this is the thing I want to
36:46
Speaker 2: do right now. I also want to get all my money.
36:48
Speaker 4: Right.
36:49
Speaker 3: Also admirable.
36:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also want to get all my money, which, again,
36:53
Speaker 1: that was the issue, is that he wanted to get
36:55
Speaker 1: all his money and make the move. Denver got a
36:57
Speaker 1: great trade package for him, too. But if you want
37:00
Speaker 1: to go, go. We may not get it at first,
37:04
Speaker 1: but we're grown. We've been doing this for a while.
37:08
Speaker 1: If you want to go, go. But you don't want
37:11
Speaker 1: people saying you a phony. And that's what we're going
37:14
Speaker 1: to say based on the way that he has acted.
37:18
Speaker 1: And eventually people will get over it, but you got
37:21
Speaker 1: nobody to blame for it but himself. It's the last
37:29
Speaker 1: call for football on FanDuel. One final Sunday, one last kickoff,
37:35
Speaker 1: the final chance to place your bets before the NFL season.
37:38
Speaker 2: Closes its tab.
37:39
Speaker 1: This is Super Bowl 60, and FanDuel is making sure
37:42
Speaker 1: you're in on it. If you're a new customer, bet
37:45
Speaker 1: $ 5 and get $ 200 in bonus bets if you win.
37:49
Speaker 1: So whether you're backing the favorite or riding with the underdog,
37:53
Speaker 1: make it count. Because after the Super Bowl, the season's
37:56
Speaker 1: over and football is officially done. Last call for football
38:00
Speaker 1: on FanDuel, an official sportsbook partner of Super Bowl 60.
38:05
Speaker 1: Visit FanDuel.com slash Beaumonti to get started.
38:09
Speaker 3: 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in
38:11
Speaker 3: affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present
38:14
Speaker 3: in D.C., Kansas, Wyoming. Opt-in requirements. Awards are non-withdrawable, restrictions apply,
38:20
Speaker 3: including bonus and token expiration, leg requirements, and max wager amount.
38:24
Speaker 3: See terms at sportsduel.fanduel.com. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit
38:30
Speaker 3: rg-help for. com. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat
38:39
Speaker 3: in Connecticut. Visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit
38:44
Speaker 3: gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-7888. 5 0 5 0 for 24
38:50
Speaker 3: seven support in Massachusetts or call 1 8 7 7 8.
38:53
Speaker 3: Hope in Y or text hope in Y in New York.
39:03
Speaker 3: All right, both some more stories from the weekend. Speaking
39:05
Speaker 3: of NFL owners and malfeasance, a giant's code or Steve
39:09
Speaker 3: Tish has been named in the latest Epstein files. His
39:12
Speaker 3: name appears at least 440 times in the latest documents.
39:17
Speaker 3: Released co-owner and vice president of the Giants. Ironically, also
39:22
Speaker 3: produced a film called Risky Business, which is about underage
39:27
Speaker 3: people looking for sex. Beau, what was your reaction to that? news?
39:30
Speaker 2: Okay, so the Epstein files are media gold.
39:37
Speaker 1: And the reason that I say media gold is that
39:40
Speaker 1: everybody's in them. Like no matter what kind of website
39:44
Speaker 1: you got, You have something that you can attach to
39:47
Speaker 1: the Epstein files, and then boom, it.
39:50
Speaker 2: Gets posted, right? Pusha T got his name tied up.
39:55
Speaker 2: How does Pusha T know him?
39:59
Speaker 4: Right.
40:01
Speaker 3: In what world do Pusha T and Mr. Epstein... Yeah, yeah.
40:04
Speaker 1: Like, what is this? So, like, we got Jay-Z there. Like,
40:07
Speaker 1: the rappers get involved in this. Bill Gates, who... ooh,
40:12
Speaker 1: it's a good thing he's already divorced.
40:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:14
Speaker 2: Because otherwise it would be a wrap.
40:16
Speaker 3: Owners in multiple leagues?
40:18
Speaker 2: Yes.
40:18
Speaker 3: Including ones that aren't here?
40:21
Speaker 2: All over the place.
40:23
Speaker 1: Everybody's name is tied in this in some form or fashion. Now,
40:26
Speaker 1: part of what's interesting about this is, though, is that Tish,
40:29
Speaker 1: who is the co-owner of the Giants, I can't explain
40:32
Speaker 1: to y'all, if you are not in New York, how
40:33
Speaker 1: rich Tish is, right? Like the Tish name is. What
40:38
Speaker 1: that means. Like Ryan was like, what's the first thing
40:39
Speaker 1: you think about with Tish? And I had three. I
40:42
Speaker 1: got his first one, which is his name is all
40:43
Speaker 1: over NYU stuff, right? Hospitals and the likes. What is that?
40:47
Speaker 1: A niece or a granddaughter or something? That's the police commissioner.
40:51
Speaker 1: I can't tell which. Then there was another thing that
40:54
Speaker 1: we had.
40:55
Speaker 3: The Met.
40:55
Speaker 2: The Met. You go to the Met, you'll see the
40:58
Speaker 2: Tish name all over the walls.
41:00
Speaker 1: Like these guys, what can Roger Goodell do or any
41:05
Speaker 1: of these people do?
41:06
Speaker 2: Because- Tish's name is in the emails.
41:10
Speaker 1: The guys that are in bad shape in the emails
41:13
Speaker 1: are the guys in the emails after Epstein had already
41:17
Speaker 1: been busted for.
41:20
Speaker 2: Putting girls on the stroll. And you still emailing him
41:24
Speaker 2: about girls, right?
41:26
Speaker 1: Like, are they treating that like he had a local
41:28
Speaker 1: bodega and they caught him up selling cigarettes from Virginia?
41:32
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh yeah, but I pay full price.
41:36
Speaker 4: Right?
41:37
Speaker 1: Like, is that the explanation or the justification that you
41:40
Speaker 1: have for still dealing? Because I was like, after you
41:43
Speaker 1: get caught with that, partner, we can't. I got partners
41:46
Speaker 1: I done had to cut off for less than that.
41:49
Speaker 4: Right?
41:49
Speaker 1: Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, we can't do that. But
41:51
Speaker 1: y'all still go.
41:52
Speaker 2: To this man to get girls. Like that is what
41:55
Speaker 2: these reports are saying.
41:56
Speaker 1: And you are tied up in this just like all
41:59
Speaker 1: these other people are tied up in this. And I
42:02
Speaker 1: don't know ultimately what's going to happen.
42:04
Speaker 2: With any of these guys.
42:05
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any like legal consequences that are
42:08
Speaker 1: going to come down to it. And I also think
42:10
Speaker 1: that it's going to be so many people who get
42:12
Speaker 1: caught up in it and their names get out there
42:15
Speaker 1: that we're not going to really be able to remember
42:17
Speaker 1: because there's nobody's going to have the time to.
42:19
Speaker 2: Do the follow-ups about those things, right?
42:23
Speaker 1: It's just going to be embarrassing and shameful in part
42:27
Speaker 1: because most journalistic entities don't even have the ability to
42:30
Speaker 1: like dig deeper to find out what's really going on
42:34
Speaker 1: with a lot of them.
42:36
Speaker 3: Right. And we, we have not said the name of the,
42:39
Speaker 3: we talked about all these people when we have not
42:41
Speaker 3: said the president and the richest person in the world.
42:43
Speaker 3: That is true.
42:44
Speaker 1: That is true. They are there. Right. But let me
42:47
Speaker 1: hit you with a, however, this is a very important
42:49
Speaker 1: thing for all these guys. Because everybody wants there to
42:52
Speaker 1: be some punishment, right? Everybody wants something to happen to
42:56
Speaker 1: these dudes. And I don't think anything is going to
43:00
Speaker 1: get anybody put in jail or anything like that. But
43:03
Speaker 1: there's a different kind of jail that you can go to.
43:06
Speaker 1: It's not the one with the bars and the jumpsuits
43:10
Speaker 1: and the terrible food. It's the one that can be
43:13
Speaker 1: your home. That can be your home when your wife
43:17
Speaker 1: reads that you've been emailing this dude. about hollering at girls.
43:24
Speaker 1: All these dudes have had to go home to explain
43:28
Speaker 1: how it is that they got caught up in this.
43:33
Speaker 1: Every single one of them has had to do that.
43:36
Speaker 1: And it ain't going good for not a single one
43:43
Speaker 1: of them. The only guy that seems to have a
43:46
Speaker 1: good explanation is Russell Wilson. Hey, man, I was just
43:49
Speaker 1: trying to buy a plane.
43:52
Speaker 2: I ain't even know. I ain't never met that.
43:54
Speaker 1: Hell, no, no, no, no, no. Russ got out in
43:57
Speaker 1: front of that. Russ was like, hey, baby, I was
43:59
Speaker 1: just trying to buy a plane. Yeah, that man ain't
44:00
Speaker 1: trying to mess with me.
44:02
Speaker 3: Trying to buy you a plane.
44:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, yeah.
44:06
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a surprise.
44:12
Speaker 3: All right, speaking of things in free fall, Bitcoin has...
44:15
Speaker 3: really tanked in the last week. The digital coin has
44:17
Speaker 3: fallen about 12% in the last seven days, wiping off
44:20
Speaker 3: about $ 200 billion in value, now under $ 80, 000. Bo, what
44:26
Speaker 3: was your reaction to this news?
44:28
Speaker 1: Look, man, I don't even really think about funny money
44:30
Speaker 1: no more. Like, I forgot that after, you remember the
44:33
Speaker 1: year old funny money?
44:34
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:35
Speaker 1: 2022, that was the year, that was when funny money
44:38
Speaker 1: really had its time. The funny money Super Bowl, fortune
44:42
Speaker 1: favors the brave. and everything else. But the truth is,
44:47
Speaker 1: people were still going about their funny money. It just
44:49
Speaker 1: stopped being like a fad. Remember NFTs?
44:54
Speaker 3: I do remember NFTs.
44:55
Speaker 1: I watched a documentary on Netflix the other day about
44:58
Speaker 1: like the run on NFTs. We were bored. Like 2021, man,
45:03
Speaker 1: people were bored and they just thought it was going
45:05
Speaker 1: to hit for a lick, right? The thing with the
45:08
Speaker 1: Bitcoin stuff always is, man, it'll have another jump up.
45:11
Speaker 1: It'll have another drop. But my issue with funny money
45:15
Speaker 1: has always been no one can really explain the determinants
45:18
Speaker 1: of price. What's going to make these things go? And
45:22
Speaker 1: it is a cult of people who just decide that
45:24
Speaker 1: once they do it, they're going to get on it.
45:25
Speaker 1: They're going to stay on it. It's never going to stop.
45:28
Speaker 1: That's the ride they are on. And so I don't
45:31
Speaker 1: even really think that much about it no more when
45:33
Speaker 1: people get caught up in funny money.
45:34
Speaker 2: Y'all decided to do this.
45:35
Speaker 1: Now, if you knew and just woke up and was like,
45:37
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to get on this Bitcoin thing.
45:39
Speaker 2: You deserve everything you get. The rest of y'all? Hey, man,
45:42
Speaker 2: this is the ride you chose to sign up for.
45:44
Speaker 2: I hope you have a good time.
45:46
Speaker 1: All right.
45:46
Speaker 3: And finally, the Grammys were last night. Kendrick Lamar became
45:50
Speaker 3: the most decorated rapper in the history of the Grammys.
45:54
Speaker 3: Bad Bunny had some comments, you know, condemning Ice. Lauryn
45:59
Speaker 3: Hill showed up. What was your biggest surprise.
46:02
Speaker 4: From the night?
46:06
Speaker 1: Lauryn Hill. What time did they tell her to show up?
46:10
Speaker 1: Because it appears that she was on time. Did they
46:14
Speaker 1: tell her the show was the night before? Or did
46:17
Speaker 1: they tell her that they needed to do a sound
46:18
Speaker 1: check at 11 in the morning and then you just
46:20
Speaker 1: kept coming up.
46:21
Speaker 2: With reasons for her not to leave?
46:24
Speaker 1: There's no way in the world that I personally would
46:27
Speaker 1: be doing a live television show and book Lauryn Hill
46:29
Speaker 1: to do it. There's no chance.
46:32
Speaker 3: I'm stressed out just thinking about it.
46:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the chakras and the shit ain't in line,
46:36
Speaker 2: so she ain't coming to work. You can never pay
46:38
Speaker 2: me enough to set her up there.
46:40
Speaker 1: The tribute was actually very good, and I appreciated the
46:43
Speaker 1: fact that I didn't think they got too locked in
46:47
Speaker 1: on how big the names were. They had a lot
46:51
Speaker 1: of people that I'm aware of, but I don't think
46:53
Speaker 1: are giant stars. Bringing Layla Hathaway in to sing a
46:56
Speaker 1: daddy's part, I thought was a good thing. But the
46:58
Speaker 1: biggest surprise to me is that Wyclef pulled up. I
47:01
Speaker 1: suppose I remember that Roz couldn't show up because he's
47:04
Speaker 1: been sentenced to 14 years in the Bing. But Wyclef
47:08
Speaker 1: showing up, I didn't know them two could still be
47:10
Speaker 1: in the same room. I thought that was very nice
47:12
Speaker 1: of her to come because he served no purpose in that.
47:15
Speaker 2: We didn't need him for anything. on that performance.
47:19
Speaker 1: But I thought they got it, right? I thought they
47:23
Speaker 1: did a very good job of it, and I appreciated
47:26
Speaker 1: that they gave D'Angelo a full 11-minute tribute there, right?
47:33
Speaker 1: That's what you give to the stars of a real
47:36
Speaker 1: particular magnitude. They gave it to him. I thought that
47:39
Speaker 1: was cool. I thought the Kendrick Lamar thing, where it
47:42
Speaker 1: turns out now he has more Grammys than any rapper ever,
47:47
Speaker 1: and I don't remember the exact Drake line because I
47:50
Speaker 1: don't be memorizing Drake lines, but basically he talked about
47:53
Speaker 1: all Kendrick got to do is cough and y'all.
47:55
Speaker 2: Give him a Grammy.
48:00
Speaker 1: Can't say that the dude was wrong.
48:02
Speaker 2: He has a bit of a point.
48:04
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar has 27 Grammys. What?
48:08
Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
48:09
Speaker 1: Like, I don't take the Grammys seriously, personally, right?
48:13
Speaker 2: Particularly not when it comes to rap, but 27, dog.
48:16
Speaker 1: 27.
48:19
Speaker 3: Okay.
48:21
Speaker 1: Cool.
48:21
Speaker 5: Right.
48:22
Speaker 1: Got you. And look, y'all all know I ain't really
48:25
Speaker 1: out here trying to be out here saying Drake was right.
48:29
Speaker 1: But on that one, he wasn't wrong. And then Bad Bunny,
48:32
Speaker 1: who basically gave Ice the middle finger without saying it
48:35
Speaker 1: up there, it's about to be a very interesting week
48:39
Speaker 1: for Bad Bunny out here. Had other people come up
48:43
Speaker 1: with their halftime show yet?
48:44
Speaker 3: I believe they're keeping it a secret.
48:49
Speaker 1: A secret, you say?
48:50
Speaker 3: Yes. Okay.
48:56
Speaker 1: You know who I actually think was the biggest loser
48:58
Speaker 1: in all of this?
48:59
Speaker 2: That dude, Jelly Roll. They hit Jelly Roll.
49:03
Speaker 1: They tried to get Jelly Roll on the red carpet
49:05
Speaker 1: to say something about ICE, and Jelly Roll said he
49:07
Speaker 1: ain't know nothing about no politics. He's like, I'm from
49:10
Speaker 1: a drug-addicted, you know, dumb redneck from a drug addict home.
49:15
Speaker 1: We don't know anything about politics. Partner, you don't live
49:17
Speaker 1: there no more. You don't live there no more. They
49:20
Speaker 1: asking you about what ICE is doing up there in Minnesota,
49:23
Speaker 1: which by the way, is also not politics.
49:26
Speaker 4: Right.
49:26
Speaker 3: Right.
49:27
Speaker 2: Like that's a pretty clear yes and no.
49:29
Speaker 1: And all the talk you got about Jesus and the
49:31
Speaker 1: Bible and everything else. And in that moment, you ain't
49:34
Speaker 1: trying to talk about politics. And it's just like, it's
49:36
Speaker 1: a bummer, man. We all pick and choose. I got
49:39
Speaker 1: things I don't feel like talking about in front of people, right?
49:42
Speaker 1: But Jelly Roll's thing is interesting because at once he's
49:45
Speaker 1: the dude with a bunch of tattoos on his face,
49:48
Speaker 1: but also that part of the world that supports that,
49:51
Speaker 1: that's a lot of his money. Didn't Jelly Roll used
49:55
Speaker 1: to be like on three, six mafia joints?
49:59
Speaker 2: But his money is over there.
50:04
Speaker 1: Right? Like, his money is with these people who roll
50:08
Speaker 1: with that other stuff.
50:12
Speaker 2: I just thought you was about Jesus, partner.
50:17
Speaker 3: All right, Bo. Another great day of voicemails. We got
50:24
Speaker 3: a few good ones. Here's the first.
50:26
Speaker 4: Hey, hey, what's up, Bo? John from L.A.
50:28
Speaker 7: This isn't so much an apology as it is an
50:31
Speaker 7: acknowledgement because I did doubt you, man. I thought you
50:34
Speaker 7: kind of being hard on the brothers in Dallas with
50:37
Speaker 7: them being herbs and everything. And recently I had an
50:40
Speaker 7: opportunity to work with a young man from Houston and
50:43
Speaker 7: tell him about the show and what you were saying
50:45
Speaker 7: and talking about the shags.
50:48
Speaker 4: And he said, yeah, man, it's true.
50:51
Speaker 5: I said, what?
50:52
Speaker 7: He said, yeah, man, they wear shags in Dallas.
50:55
Speaker 3: I said, come on, man.
50:56
Speaker 4: He said, dude.
50:57
Speaker 7: They'd be running from the barber. In the middle of
51:00
Speaker 7: the haircut, they'd just get up and run from the
51:03
Speaker 7: barber because that's all that can explain the shag.
51:05
Speaker 3: All right, man.
51:07
Speaker 4: Yes, you were right.
51:10
Speaker 1: No, actually, you do owe me an apology because you
51:13
Speaker 1: were saying that as though you thought I was lying.
51:17
Speaker 1: I told you they wear shags. And then somebody else
51:20
Speaker 1: said it, and you were like, oh, okay, now it's true?
51:23
Speaker 1: Why would I lie to you about the fact that
51:24
Speaker 1: they was wearing shags? They call it a booty fade,
51:27
Speaker 1: as if that's any better.
51:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, them.
51:31
Speaker 1: Boys wear shags. It's crazy, right? They still do. And
51:36
Speaker 1: that one boy, he's still the one that played for
51:37
Speaker 1: the Thunder. I think he finally got rid of his shag,
51:40
Speaker 1: but he had been gone from Dallas for a long-ass time,
51:42
Speaker 1: still out there wearing the shag.
51:43
Speaker 2: I think I told you about this. I got a
51:44
Speaker 2: partner in Cali. He's a great barber. He's also an actuary,
51:48
Speaker 2: so I don't think he's really barbering anymore.
51:50
Speaker 1: But he used to work at a shop in Rialto,
51:51
Speaker 1: and he said an old hair used to come in
51:53
Speaker 1: there and ask him for a shag, and he would
51:54
Speaker 1: refuse to give it to him until he finally told him,
51:57
Speaker 1: I'll give you this shag, but you can't tell nobody
51:58
Speaker 1: you've been coming over here getting no shag, man. That's
52:00
Speaker 1: bad for business. He was like, it was a dope-ass shag, too.
52:03
Speaker 1: But he was just like, you just can't be in
52:04
Speaker 1: here telling people that I'm out here giving shags. You
52:08
Speaker 1: just can't do it.
52:09
Speaker 3: Bad for business.
52:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the whole city of Dallas is like, get
52:11
Speaker 1: your shag! Shags!
52:13
Speaker 4: Shags!
52:14
Speaker 1: Two-for-one shags!
52:17
Speaker 3: All right, here's our next one.
52:19
Speaker 5: Hey, Beaumonti. This is Matt, Northern Kentucky, right outside of Cincinnati.
52:27
Speaker 5: So I'm at Ace Hardware today, and for the first
52:30
Speaker 5: time in my life, I came across a white Xavier.
52:34
Speaker 5: I had never, ever met a white Xavier before. And
52:38
Speaker 5: the only thing I know about this man, who is
52:41
Speaker 5: a Gen Z guy, the only thing I know about
52:44
Speaker 5: him after this interaction is he is no receiver. I
52:48
Speaker 5: watched this man fumble my return, my baseball cards, and
52:51
Speaker 5: my chocolate bar before tripping over the trash can behind
52:55
Speaker 5: him on the way to put something back on the shelf.
53:00
Speaker 5: White Xavier needs to find a new position, man.
53:03
Speaker 3: Big fan of the show. Take it easy.
53:07
Speaker 1: Okay. First of all, I would like to start with
53:09
Speaker 1: the fact that my man went to Ace Hardware to
53:10
Speaker 1: buy some baseball cards.
53:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:14
Speaker 2: Ace Hardware is.
53:15
Speaker 3: I didn't realize it's the 1920s.
53:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
53:17
Speaker 2: It's slowly approaching the Radio Shack zone.
53:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:20
Speaker 1: Wow.
53:20
Speaker 2: Still in the league, huh?
53:22
Speaker 1: Boy, I'll tell you this, though. I still have times
53:24
Speaker 1: where a nice Radio Shack come in handy.
53:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
53:26
Speaker 3: Sometimes you need that cord.
53:27
Speaker 1: Just need to run in and get a cord. Right.
53:29
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:31
Speaker 1: Number two, what makes the idea that there are no
53:33
Speaker 1: more white Xaviers interesting is that Xavier is like a
53:35
Speaker 1: very Catholic name, right? Right. It's saints and stuff like that.
53:39
Speaker 1: When did they decide to let us have Xavier?
53:42
Speaker 2: They're like, no, y'all got that.
53:44
Speaker 1: Cool. No, no, no. We don't even need a partner.
53:46
Speaker 1: You go ahead and take that. Like, what did it
53:47
Speaker 1: take for them to give up Xavier? Or did they
53:50
Speaker 1: just get so frustrated to hear enough say Xavier? They
53:52
Speaker 1: were like, fuck it, man. It don't even fit no more.
53:55
Speaker 1: You got it.
53:56
Speaker 4: All right.
53:57
Speaker 3: Here's the next one. And similar theme.
53:59
Speaker 6: Hey, Balmani. Hey, Ryan. I just wanted to call and
54:02
Speaker 6: add another name to the recent voicemail trend of names
54:06
Speaker 6: such as the White Reggie or the White Galen. For
54:10
Speaker 6: your consideration, the White Lamont recently was in Wisconsin, a
54:16
Speaker 6: rural part of Wisconsin, I should note. And there is
54:19
Speaker 6: an elected official in that county. An older man looks
54:23
Speaker 6: like he's in his 70s. White man named Lamont. Do
54:27
Speaker 6: with this what you will.
54:30
Speaker 2: Yo, so this is the thing that people don't get, man.
54:33
Speaker 1: The country whites love a la name. They don't so
54:38
Speaker 1: much care about the D names and they don't add
54:41
Speaker 1: apostrophes and they don't necessarily capitalize immediately after the la.
54:46
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of white ladies named LaDonna, stuff
54:50
Speaker 2: like that. They do that. But Lamont, another one that
54:54
Speaker 2: I felt like they let us have.
54:56
Speaker 1: Now, you know, Italy got that dude Lamont that won
55:00
Speaker 1: the 100 meters, but he's still black.
55:02
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? But you remember, I don't know,
55:03
Speaker 2: there used to be a baseball manager named Gene Lamont.
55:07
Speaker 1: He was white. So yeah, by the way, speaking of which,
55:10
Speaker 1: rest in peace to Lamont Sanford. DeMond Wilson died over
55:13
Speaker 1: the weekend, right? And he was a very black Lamont.
55:17
Speaker 1: But I feel like this voicemail was in the spirit
55:20
Speaker 1: of Lamonts of all sorts. What do you think would
55:23
Speaker 1: happen if he said it was a real white man
55:25
Speaker 1: that was involved in the city government up there? What
55:27
Speaker 1: if I went to one of their city council meetings
55:29
Speaker 1: and I screamed out, you big dummy! You think he'd
55:31
Speaker 1: get it?
55:33
Speaker 3: I mean, that show was very, like, 15 million people
55:36
Speaker 3: used to watch that show.
55:38
Speaker 1: Yo, the thing about Sanford and Son with Lamont for
55:41
Speaker 1: me always is, there was nothing cool about Lamont, man.
55:46
Speaker 2: All we knew was that his dad called him a
55:48
Speaker 2: dummy all the time.
55:50
Speaker 1: That's all we knew was his dad called him a
55:52
Speaker 1: big dummy at every turn. Me and Shannon used to
55:54
Speaker 1: have the big dummy of the week on the radio show.
55:56
Speaker 3: That's a good bit.
55:57
Speaker 1: Oh, it was great every week. We'd have it every week.
56:00
Speaker 7: All right.
56:01
Speaker 3: Here's our last one. You know, staying in theme with
56:03
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Hey, what's up, Bo?
56:05
Speaker 4: What's up, Ryan? This is CB from Brooklyn. I have
56:09
Speaker 4: to tell the story about learning about little ginger cuz
56:14
Speaker 4: at my son's school. So my son goes to a
56:18
Speaker 4: lovely public school here in Bed-Stuy and he was invited
56:22
Speaker 4: to join the basketball team. And I got to ask
56:24
Speaker 4: to help coach. So I decided, all right, I'm going
56:27
Speaker 4: to do this, do this, all that. And I had
56:31
Speaker 4: seen this young man earlier in the school year, and
56:34
Speaker 4: it was a little white boy, super-duper ginger. He pulls
56:37
Speaker 4: up to school, first day of school, with some extra
56:40
Speaker 4: clean A1s, the Asia Wilson signature shoe. And I was like,
56:46
Speaker 4: all right, that is a choice that his parents made
56:49
Speaker 4: because they are not cheap. And they're very distinctive. So
56:53
Speaker 4: I pull up to basketball practice. Ginger Cud's on the team.
56:55
Speaker 4: All right, cool. Let me see what's good with Ginger Cud's.
56:59
Speaker 4: He can hoop a little bit. He's one of the
57:01
Speaker 4: older kids. This is a third through fifth grade team.
57:04
Speaker 4: We get to the end of practice, and the coach
57:08
Speaker 4: asks for player voices. And Ginger Cud's one of the
57:11
Speaker 4: leaders on the team because he was on the team
57:13
Speaker 4: last year. And he kicks it to Ginger Cud's, mind you,
57:17
Speaker 4: I know who his mom is. His mom is on
57:19
Speaker 4: the PTA. And this isn't spicy white. This is regular,
57:23
Speaker 4: degular Brooklyn, lives in a nice spot, white. And Ginger
57:28
Speaker 4: Cuz goes, yeah, you know, y'all did great today. Everybody
57:34
Speaker 4: gave their maximum effort. You know, everything was real good.
57:38
Speaker 4: I'm real proud of where this team is going. And
57:40
Speaker 4: that dialect. And I was like, wow. Little Ginger Cuz.
57:48
Speaker 4: it is very clear that that young man has been
57:50
Speaker 4: the only white kid in his class.
57:53
Speaker 3: For a while.
57:55
Speaker 4: And I am very excited to see where this season
57:59
Speaker 4: goes with little ginger cuz as one of our team captains.
58:05
Speaker 4: Thank you. Have a good one, Bo. Have a good one, Ryan.
58:09
Speaker 1: Man, the white people that go to, that send their
58:11
Speaker 1: kids to public schools with the black people, right?
58:14
Speaker 3: Damn, it gentrified all of Bed-Stuy.
58:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, special place in heaven for those folks, man. It really,
58:19
Speaker 1: really is because you really got to do that. And
58:21
Speaker 1: quite honestly, I don't always know if I recommend that
58:25
Speaker 1: you do it. But what I would pay to hear
58:27
Speaker 1: from those people is like, Ryan, you don't have to
58:31
Speaker 1: verify this if you don't want to, but I think
58:32
Speaker 1: that you'll agree that one thing that I would find
58:35
Speaker 1: interesting if I were a white person is when black
58:38
Speaker 1: people who spend a lot of time around white people
58:41
Speaker 1: tell you what the things are that white people do
58:43
Speaker 1: that are funny. that it's like, huh, you know, hadn't
58:46
Speaker 1: really thought of that. You know, it's just kind of
58:47
Speaker 1: an average thing. Like, Black comedians give you all kinds
58:51
Speaker 1: of access and insights into such things, right? We don't
58:55
Speaker 1: talk nearly enough about the things that white people who
58:59
Speaker 1: spend all their time around Black people have the good
59:02
Speaker 1: fortune of noticing and thereby sharing. I would love to
59:05
Speaker 1: get to Jijica's when he's like 19 and he'll be like, yo,
59:08
Speaker 1: so here's this thing about black people. And they'd be like,
59:10
Speaker 1: what you mean? And then he starts talking and be like, yeah,
59:13
Speaker 1: he's got a point.
59:15
Speaker 3: I'll plead the fifth there.
59:17
Speaker 1: Hey, look, man, humans are humans.
59:18
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? We've all got things.
59:21
Speaker 1: You guys know we got some things. It's okay. But
59:24
Speaker 1: also you're playing this the right way. Ladies and gentlemen,
59:28
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time.
59:30
Speaker 1: We do this four times a week. Ryan Bellamy handles
59:33
Speaker 1: everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Hit the voicemail line, 323-596-7767.
59:39
Speaker 1: By the way, tomorrow we begin our series on... No,
59:43
Speaker 1: tomorrow we don't. Tomorrow's just a different Time Machine Tuesday.
59:46
Speaker 1: My fault. The week after we begin our series on
59:48
Speaker 1: the year 1996 in a wrap. That's going to be
59:50
Speaker 1: a six-week series, by the way, so look out for that. Remember,
59:54
Speaker 1: follow the right time. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us,
59:57
Speaker 1: give us five stars, and do those things, please. Help
1:00:00
Speaker 1: us out. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined
1:00:02
Speaker 1: to believe that you're not a person who's trying to help,
1:00:05
Speaker 1: you hater. Take it easy.