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8-20-26 Hour 2 - How did the Nuggets end up here?/NCAA players going back to NFL/Oh, By the Way... · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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Speaker 3: Peyton Watson Denver lates at one eleven and ninety eight.
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Speaker 4: All right, so the big news of the day. Peyton
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Speaker 4: Watson has traded last night. In return, the Nuggets get
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Speaker 4: a first round pick in twenty thirty one a second
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Speaker 4: round pick in twenty thirty two. They still remain at
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Speaker 4: the moment in the second apron despite making this trade.
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Speaker 4: They are one point three million dollars over that second apron. Vic,
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Speaker 4: you want to tell us how we got here?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? And before I tell you how we got here,
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Speaker 2: let me just let me start with a couple of texts.
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Speaker 2: You don't mind, sure, And if I come across sounding
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Speaker 2: like I know it all, I don't try to. I
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Speaker 2: just did the research this morning. I got up at
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Speaker 2: four twelve am. Not trying to know it all. I'm
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Speaker 2: trying to explain things. It's from John and Lakewood. John Wrights.
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Speaker 2: Nuggets are a bad organization that was blessed years ago
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Speaker 2: with two organizational goats. I'm gonna tell you something, John,
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Speaker 2: If you win an NBA title and you win fifty
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Speaker 2: plus games in six straight years, you're not a bad organization.
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Speaker 2: What kind of organization are you? If I give you
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Speaker 2: those two factors winning, it's a winning organization, it's not
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Speaker 2: a bad organization. So don't be dramatic. I'm not doing
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Speaker 2: that today. I'm just gonna go through the history and
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Speaker 2: I could take you all the way back to May
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. How did we get you? How
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Speaker 2: did we get to the point where the Nuggets have
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Speaker 2: to deal away a young talented player. They drafted, they cultivated,
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Speaker 2: They got this guy to where he is, Peyton Watson.
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Speaker 2: I got to deal him away. Why, Well, there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of whys. May twenty twenty two, Tim Connolly was
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Speaker 2: the GM of the Denver Nuggets and he decided that
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Speaker 2: it was time to leave because he got a hell
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Speaker 2: of a pay raise to go to Minnesota. And at
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Speaker 2: the time, everybody thought, well, there goes the Nuggets future.
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Speaker 2: What happened a year after Tim Conley left a title
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Speaker 2: Nuggets won an NBA championship. So without getting into the
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Speaker 2: weeds here because I don't want to pin blame on
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Speaker 2: certain people, or I'm just trying to tell you what happened.
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Speaker 2: Are you assured a title if things remain the same. No,
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Speaker 2: Let's say Tim would have staatedium. Are you assured a
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Speaker 2: title in twenty twenty three?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 2: Is that to be expected?
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Speaker 6: I don't know if he pulls the trigger on the
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Speaker 6: Barton trade, which I think so?
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Speaker 2: What changes were made when Tim left and Booth took over.
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Speaker 4: Barton and Monte Moore rs were traded for KCP and
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Speaker 4: was Ish Smith?
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Speaker 2: Where's will Barton now by the way out of the league. No,
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Speaker 2: he's working with Tim Conley's group of in the player. No,
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Speaker 2: but he's working with that front office. Is what I'm
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Speaker 2: getting at. Is sometimes change on the surface looks horrible.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, they just lost Tim Conley. Well guess
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Speaker 2: what a year later they were hosting a parade downtown. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Did anybody a year after that move? Was anybody saying,
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Speaker 2: damn it, if only Tim were here? Was anybody saying that?
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Speaker 2: Not at all? Now you can go back and look
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Speaker 2: at the missteps Calvin Booth may have made along the way,
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Speaker 2: but he also made some great moves from the last
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Speaker 2: thing years. I think I just made a lot too easy.
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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna make this about I'm not trying
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Speaker 2: to blast Calvin Booth here. I never would do that
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Speaker 2: because it's never one person, it's never one move, it's
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Speaker 2: never one thing. It's a series of moves. And Calvin
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Speaker 2: Booth was the GM on record when the NBA came
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Speaker 2: to Denver with that NBA championship trophy. He hoisted it.
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Speaker 2: It was under his watch, and he deserves credit for that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: But things started to go little sideways and it started,
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Speaker 2: let's pick this up here. It started in the off
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Speaker 2: season after they won that NBA title. And I think
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Speaker 2: it's a product, that's a function, guys of we're in
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Speaker 2: this window. Let's try to be as good as we
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Speaker 2: can while we're in this window. Right, every team tries to.
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Speaker 5: I think that's a natural human reaction to try and
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Speaker 5: keep it going.
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Speaker 2: You want exactly right, exactly right. So twenty twenty three June,
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Speaker 2: on Draft night, the Nuggets executed a multi team deal
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Speaker 2: and they decided they need young players at the end
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Speaker 2: of their bench to keep this championship roster intact. So
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Speaker 2: that night, they drafted Julian Strawther, Jalen Pickett, and Hunter Tyson.
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Speaker 2: Survey says, eh, one out of three I understand the
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Speaker 2: strategy there. Did anybody disagree with the strategy at the time?
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Speaker 6: Maybe one out of three? Okay, still waiting on Julian,
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Speaker 6: but yes.
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Speaker 2: Great, Now, the picks were late picks. They weren't the
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Speaker 2: lottery picks. They were late picks. So the hit rate
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Speaker 2: on late picks in the NBA, look it up, it
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Speaker 2: ain't good. But that was the strategy because they didn't
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Speaker 2: want to mess with the core of the team. They
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Speaker 2: wanted to get younger. I get it. Nuggets lose in
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Speaker 2: a game seven twenty twenty four to the Minnesota Timberwolves,
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, the most heartbreaking loss in Nuggets history.
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Speaker 2: We remember the game. So what happens This is where
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Speaker 2: it starts to get pretty tough. VIC. Yeah, what happens
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Speaker 2: after that loss? Well, the Nuggets let Contavious Caldwell Pope
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Speaker 2: KCP walk in free agency. Yep, he accepted a three year,
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Speaker 2: sixty six million dollar deal with Orlando and people at
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Speaker 2: the time said, why are you letting him walk? What
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Speaker 2: do you think about that? Now? Three years later, what
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Speaker 2: do you think about KCP two years later, I should
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Speaker 2: say walking at the end of that season for a
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Speaker 2: deal in Orlando that paid him three years, sixty six million.
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Speaker 2: Because I know Brett. At the time, you were very
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Speaker 2: vocal saying they should not let him go. What do
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Speaker 2: you think about it now? Well, his offensive game dropped off,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know. The hard thing for me is
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Speaker 2: I think you could have used his defense still. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So why do you think they made the move at
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Speaker 2: the time? And again, I'm trying to give you both
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Speaker 2: sides of the story. Some things work, some things don't.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think they they made the move because
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Speaker 2: roster flexibility exactly. They if had they not made the
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Speaker 2: move and they matched the deal with Orlando, they would
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Speaker 2: have been in the second apron And we know the
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Speaker 2: luxury tax and what it does, and perhaps it would
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Speaker 2: have stifled the development of another young player that they
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Speaker 2: think they thought at the time would supplant KCP, and
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Speaker 2: that is Christian Brown. Okay. So Christian Brown comes in
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Speaker 2: the year after KCP leaves and puts together a season.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty encouraging. Christian Brown put together a season. His
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Speaker 2: numbers were fifteen and a half points, five rebounds, two
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Speaker 2: and a half assists. He shot fifty eight percent from
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Speaker 2: the field. He shot forty percent from three that season,
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Speaker 2: He led the NBA in fast break points. He had
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Speaker 2: an elite true shooting efficiency, and he finished fourth in
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Speaker 2: Most Improved Player voting. Fourth.
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Speaker 5: When you were talking about assets, back that up a
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Speaker 5: little bit, because right after they lost to Minnesota, what
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Speaker 5: happened that summer?
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Speaker 2: What do they do that summer? They give themselves relief.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that good good But the point of
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Speaker 2: the the KCP letting him walk was to allow Christian
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Speaker 2: Brown to blossom. And I just gave you the numbers
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Speaker 2: that Christian Brown put up the year after KCP watched.
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Speaker 2: So would you say, just as argument's sake, that was
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Speaker 2: a win in the short term, Sure, it felt like
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Speaker 2: it was.
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Speaker 4: I think people's will change about CBE if he's healthy
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Speaker 4: this year.
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Speaker 2: Sure, okay, So, but I'm just trying to paint that picture. Ye.
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Speaker 2: So was that a good move, a smart move by
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Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets letting KCP walk and using those minutes
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Speaker 2: for Christian Brown? Was that a smart move or a
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Speaker 2: dumb move? Smart move? It was? It certainly wasn't dumb, Okay,
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Speaker 2: so what happened since obviously he got hurt last year,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't the same player, and they gave him a
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Speaker 2: contract at the beginning of the season in October for
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Speaker 2: five years, one hundred and twenty five million.
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Speaker 5: And you're trying to get ahead of the game because
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Speaker 5: what if he blossoms into one of the best two
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Speaker 5: guards in the league or something like that.
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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. They gave him that deal, thinking, well,
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Speaker 2: let's it's exactly right. Let's get head now, should they
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Speaker 2: have waited? You can make the argument, yeah, they could
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Speaker 2: have waited. They could have waited until he's in RFA.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who else is gonna go after Christian Brown
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Speaker 2: like you will? He fits perfectly here? Why why Hurriyet?
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Speaker 2: They could have waited, just like they waited for Peyton.
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Speaker 2: Walks said, correct, if they chose to give him a contract,
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Speaker 2: then so survey says, you could have waited. Maybe that's
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Speaker 2: a misstep. I don't know, but you could have waited there.
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Speaker 2: But there's no denying that signing Christian Brown in place
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Speaker 2: of KCP was a win. It was a win at
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Speaker 2: the time, and frankly it's a win now. Other things happened.
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Speaker 2: During that offseason of twenty twenty four. The Nuggets were
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Speaker 2: trying to get better in free agency, trying to pick
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Speaker 2: up more guys for the bench. There we go, they
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Speaker 2: signed Darius Sarich to a multi year deal, and just
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Speaker 2: to tell you what we know about basketball, I'm the
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Speaker 2: one that was pounding the table for Dario Sarrich. I said,
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Speaker 2: what a perfect fit he'll be on this team because
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Speaker 2: you're stupid. Yeah, I am stupid. A two year deal
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Speaker 2: for Darius sarch That. How'd that work out? Uh? Well,
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Speaker 2: it didn't play. It was awful. It was awful. It
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Speaker 2: was terrible. But you weren't. You were able to flip
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Speaker 2: him though you were. I know, I know, but I'm
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Speaker 2: just doing this in the Vacuum'm doing two thousan twenty
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Speaker 2: four in the vacuums. Okay, this is June twenty seven,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. So they also in twenty twenty four
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Speaker 2: signed Russell Westbrook and Spencer Jones. Spencer Jones to a
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Speaker 2: two way. Russell Westbrook came out of nowhere as probably,
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Speaker 2: well not probably, the only future Hall of Fame Hall
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Speaker 2: of Fame free agent that the Nuggets were able to sign.
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Speaker 2: In the offseason he signed he was your best bench.
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Speaker 2: He chose to five.
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Speaker 5: But there's there's also something that happened there that this
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Speaker 5: is where you're at.
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Speaker 2: This is the one. This is where you want to
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Speaker 2: get you trouble. This is the tough one. So to
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Speaker 2: make room for Russell Westbrook, to make room for some
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Speaker 2: of these players, they had to dump a player. And
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Speaker 2: in July twenty twenty four, they had to get rid
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Speaker 2: of Reggie Jackson. Reggie Jackson at the time was on
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Speaker 2: the player option year. He had a year left on
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Speaker 2: his contract five million dollars and they're like, we got
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Speaker 2: to get rid of this contract. So how did they
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Speaker 2: get rid of it? They sent two second round picks
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Speaker 2: plus another third third second round pick to Charlotte and
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Speaker 2: basically salary dumped Reggie Jackson to allow them to do
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Speaker 2: those other deals.
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Speaker 4: By the way, I would assume move went for four
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Speaker 4: second round Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So you gave away a player.
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Speaker 4: It's it's the grossest transaction that happened in this era
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Speaker 4: of the Nuggets.
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Speaker 2: And survey says, how do you how do you rate
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Speaker 2: that deal? Awful? Eh? I can't tell I can't sit
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Speaker 2: here right now and tell you what the thinking is there.
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Speaker 2: I can't. I don't know. At that time when I
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Speaker 2: saw that, I was like, wait, am I looking at
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Speaker 2: this right? Because when we saw the transaction, we all
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Speaker 2: assumed that the Nuggets were getting those second round picks.
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Speaker 5: Can you explain to people though, it's not it's not
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Speaker 5: necessarily you know these second round picks that you know,
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Speaker 5: those guys hardly ever paying out blah blah blah.
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Speaker 2: Blah blah assets.
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Speaker 5: It's the asset because once you lose those assets, because
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Speaker 5: as you've talked about, this is for the for the
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Speaker 5: listeners out there, Yes, to do deals in the league nowadays,
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Speaker 5: you really have to attach assets, whether it's a silly
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Speaker 5: twenty thirty second round pick or two seconds or whatever
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Speaker 5: it may be.
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Speaker 2: Those picks, while the player.
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Speaker 5: May never come to fruition, ever they are they are
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Speaker 5: necessary to attach to these deals.
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Speaker 2: So now you lost three of them. That was a misstep,
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Speaker 2: definitely a misstep. The other one came years earlier, when
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Speaker 2: the Nuggets decided to out of the Blue. In October
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, after winning a championship, out of the
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Speaker 2: Blue decided to hand z Ichnologia four year, thirty two
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Speaker 2: million dollar extension with a player option. Yes, I don't
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Speaker 2: know why they did that. Again, I don't know why
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Speaker 2: they couldn't have waited. They at the time is cost control.
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Speaker 2: They figure, we lost Jeff Green, we need another big
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Speaker 2: in the lineup at a cost control basis that we
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Speaker 2: can control over the next four or five years. And
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Speaker 2: that's that's why they did it. In hindsight, that didn't work.
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Speaker 2: So those are two missteps that occurred. And now you're
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Speaker 2: losing draft picks because you just traded away a bunch
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Speaker 2: by unloading Reggie Jackson. September twenty twenty four, the Nuggets
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Speaker 2: decided to give Jamal Murray a four year max deal
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Speaker 2: two hundred and nine million dollars. Here's the thing.
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Speaker 6: People can criticize that all they want to What were
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Speaker 6: they gonna do?
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Speaker 2: That's a no brainer.
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Speaker 6: Not signed Jamal Murray, who eat title and was insane issues.
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Speaker 2: Now the money is outrageous, but that's the life in
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Speaker 2: the NBA. Cost of doing business. Cost of doing business
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Speaker 2: in the NBA. No problem with that deal at the time,
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Speaker 2: and to say otherwise, we're lyned to ours at that time.
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Speaker 4: By the way, Jamal Murray was worth every penny for
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Speaker 4: just postseason success alone.
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Speaker 2: He's a reason why you won an NBA title. Are
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Speaker 2: you Are you giving in that money as a reward? Yeah? Partially, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: sure it was earned. Also, in October of twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: after signing Jamal Murray, they extended Aaron Gordon's contract four years,
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty three million. In fact, there was
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Speaker 2: a compromise there. Aaron decided to play that first year
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Speaker 2: of the contract under the money he was already making,
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Speaker 2: so he actually gave money back. But he's a.
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Speaker 4: Twenty nine year old at this point line and his
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Speaker 4: legs are good.
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Speaker 2: Fine, when you extend Aaron Gordon, what was everybody's rationale
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Speaker 2: on that? Perfect Great, he's important to this team.
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Speaker 5: His shooting is better, he's healthy, he's only twenty nine,
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Speaker 5: he's in the midst of his prime exactly.
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Speaker 2: So the only thing, the only misstep the Nuggets made
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Speaker 2: in that year was Wow, they gave away all those picks.
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Speaker 2: What are we doing giving away second round picks? Well,
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Speaker 2: that catches up to you, yep, Because at the beginning
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, before that season started, they decided
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Speaker 2: to come off Michael Porter Junior's contract to allow some
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Speaker 2: flexibility because the roster just wasn't working, the bench wasn't working.
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Speaker 2: They needed upgrade the bench. The only way you can
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Speaker 2: upgrade the bench to day losing one of those top
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Speaker 2: heavy contracts. In order to move off Michael Porter Junior,
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Speaker 2: the Nuggets had to send a first round pick to
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Speaker 2: Brooklyn with Michael to get Cam Johnson. At the time
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Speaker 2: when they made that deal, again at the time, I'm
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Speaker 2: not speaking now, what was the reaction here when they
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Speaker 2: made that deal.
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Speaker 5: Of all the guys that you that that could have
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Speaker 5: been dealt, that's probably the one that was the smartest
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Speaker 5: to do.
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Speaker 4: When they when they did it, and then what happened
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Speaker 4: afterwards was that allowed them to sign Yona's Valentiunis that
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Speaker 4: was a lot better. So we understand why they made it.
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Speaker 4: It was a three locked box. Okay, you unlocked the
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Speaker 4: three lock box.
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Speaker 2: When you made that trade, So we understand why. And
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Speaker 2: the reasoning of why they made the move is to
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Speaker 2: allow them more flexibility to upgrade their bench. Now that
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Speaker 2: first round pick going to Brooklyn, that's going to catch
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Speaker 2: up to them. But at the time, you're like, we're
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Speaker 2: in the win now mode. We need a better bench.
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Speaker 2: So what do they do with that money because they
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Speaker 2: had extra money. They go get Bruce Brown, they go
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Speaker 2: get Tim Hardaway Junior, they go get Yonas Valanchunis. Somehow
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Speaker 2: they got off the Dario trade. All three of those deals.
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Speaker 2: What were we thinking when those three deals were executed?
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Speaker 5: The deepest team we've seen in the last twenty years. Here,
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Speaker 5: best nuggets yep roster in history maybe maybe in history.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't work out, didn't work well in all of this.
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Speaker 5: Look it leads to you having also they also traded
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Speaker 5: hunter Tyson earlier this year.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they got off one of their picks.
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Speaker 4: There's some other things like, look, you traded up for
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Speaker 4: Doron Holmes.
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Speaker 6: Where did you really have to give away what you
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Speaker 6: gave away?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the other move I wanted to give you,
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Speaker 2: the Doron Holmes move. To get dron Holmes, they had
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Speaker 2: to give away. Listen to this. This was twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: They traded away two second round picks. Hold on, they
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Speaker 2: traded the current pick, Ryan Dunn, who they drafted, and
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Speaker 2: then traded away a twenty twenty four second, a twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six second, and a two thousand and thirty one second. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they traded away three second round picks and their own
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Speaker 2: to move up to The'ron Holmes.
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Speaker 4: And that one if you saw the video, there's a
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Speaker 4: video that emerged that looked like the Nuggets were bidding
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Speaker 4: against themselves.
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Speaker 2: So, if you're doing your math, in a span of
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Speaker 2: two off seasons, the Nuggets traded away five second round
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Speaker 2: picks just to get off guys.
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Speaker 4: Well, and there's some other details in here, Vic that
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Speaker 4: I think are at least notable, Like you, Helen Gillespie
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Speaker 4: is an NBA player, right, Yes he is. He just
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Speaker 4: signed a twelve million dollar a year deal. He was
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Speaker 4: somebody within your roster that you let go that you
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Speaker 4: need guards now, would be nice to have a guy
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Speaker 4: like that. There's little stuff that happened along the way
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Speaker 4: with that stuff too.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and here we are. We are here now three
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Speaker 2: years after a championship. You don't win an NBA championship
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Speaker 2: without making smooth moves, without making smart moves. They won
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Speaker 2: an NBA title. They've not been able to hold that
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Speaker 2: team together in my opinion, because they've given away too
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Speaker 2: many assets hoping to keep that window open. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: why they had to trade Peyton Watson. They didn't want
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Speaker 2: to trade Peyton Watson last night, nobody did, but their
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Speaker 2: their asset. They're collateral their draft picks. The cupboard was
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Speaker 2: bear and they needed something in there.
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Speaker 4: That's why reminder to everybody, four Nuggets games of your
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Speaker 4: choosing is what we're giving away on each show. We
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Speaker 4: already had our winner in the seven o'clock hour, so
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Speaker 4: we are done giving that away. But you have a
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Speaker 4: chance with coaching Raj, you have a chance with PhD,
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Speaker 4: you have a chance with.
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Speaker 2: Crikman and Lindahl.
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19:24
Speaker 4: there are two different things that.
19:26
Speaker 6: Are happening right now in this it's football.
19:29
Speaker 2: You know, we're we're not that far away? Or what next?
19:32
Speaker 2: A week from now? Today? Today is the twentieth week
19:34
Speaker 2: from now, we get the buffs. When is zero week?
19:37
Speaker 2: Zero week? I mean opening week is the first week
19:40
Speaker 2: is September. But zero week, I believe.
19:42
Speaker 5: Is well, next Saturday, Next Saturday, No, the buffs?
19:45
Speaker 2: What are the buffs?
19:46
Speaker 5: Two weeks from now on Saturday, it's it's a Santos
19:49
Speaker 5: State and USC.
19:50
Speaker 3: And also that same Saturday, August twenty ninth, we have
19:53
Speaker 3: North Carolina at TCU in Dublin.
19:56
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, yeah, and so.
19:58
Speaker 3: We will actually have that's a barn burner. We will
20:00
Speaker 3: have both those games on our airwaves. Bill Belichick and
20:03
Speaker 3: his squad will come out thundering on ninety two five,
20:05
Speaker 3: and then that San Jose State game will be on
20:07
Speaker 3: nine to fifty.
20:08
Speaker 2: These early games suck. It used to be these first
20:12
Speaker 2: games of the season were something. They were big time games,
20:15
Speaker 2: big time matchups. Not anymore, because teams don't want to
20:17
Speaker 2: play top opponents the season, not before conference VIC.
20:21
Speaker 5: We've got our first MAC game for the old fighting
20:24
Speaker 5: horneyeh on the road to Eastern Michigan.
20:27
Speaker 2: Baby, let's go get some What.
20:29
Speaker 6: Is the best game of that opening week in color football?
20:32
Speaker 5: TC probably probably TCU at North Carolina? Does Oregon crush
20:38
Speaker 5: Antose State? NC State and Virginia could be compelling?
20:41
Speaker 2: Does Oregon and Boise State do anything for you? I
20:44
Speaker 2: would put that number one on my list. That But
20:48
Speaker 2: that's not next weekend, is it? No?
20:50
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's the first week of the season. We're
20:52
Speaker 4: just tough for next weekend. Well, week zero is always like, look,
20:55
Speaker 4: there's games, but it's not usually not some huge matchup
20:59
Speaker 4: LSU and clemb Is in Week one. Plempson for the
21:02
Speaker 4: first time in years, starts the season unranked.
21:05
Speaker 2: It's not any of that matters.
21:06
Speaker 4: But oh and then on Sunday, Okay, you got a
21:10
Speaker 4: couple on Sunday, you got Washington and Wazoo. You got
21:13
Speaker 4: Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Ole Miss and Louisville. You got a
21:17
Speaker 4: couple of games in that opening week.
21:19
Speaker 2: But I was talking about zero week more than Week zero. Okay,
21:21
Speaker 2: got you zero week used to have a couple of
21:23
Speaker 2: marquee games that you're like our seasons.
21:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were on the same page with zero week
21:28
Speaker 5: and then you just started to get it a Week one.
21:30
Speaker 2: You just started, I mean you started, Hey, why don't
21:32
Speaker 2: you go through up? We got this game? What are
21:35
Speaker 2: you talking?
21:35
Speaker 4: And we yeah, okay, we said opening opening week that
21:39
Speaker 4: Week seven between the l s U and Alabama that
21:41
Speaker 4: ought to be a hell a game. Week zero really
21:43
Speaker 4: hasn't had, Like it's not been Bama in Texas and
21:46
Speaker 4: weeks zero.
21:47
Speaker 2: The incredible Week zero matchups over the years. They're not
21:50
Speaker 2: doing it anymore. Well, they don't want that challenge anymore.
21:56
Speaker 4: I feel like that's let me see last year.
22:03
Speaker 2: Week zero was Kansas State Iowa State.
22:06
Speaker 4: Oh hell yeah, so yeah maybe that one. Let's go
22:11
Speaker 4: back the year before that. The week before that Week zero,
22:15
Speaker 4: Florida State in unranked Georgia Tech.
22:19
Speaker 2: Remember Florida State lost that game? Yes they did, and
22:22
Speaker 2: it led to the the year after.
22:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's where they went like one in eleven or
22:27
Speaker 6: something like that.
22:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, that seemed too many zeros Anyway, He'll always be
22:36
Speaker 4: a Week zero in my book.
22:38
Speaker 2: How's that great? Can I give you guys?
22:42
Speaker 4: Something here that I think is just insane because there's
22:47
Speaker 4: no rules anymore. So this from Pete Dammeil yesterday, a judge.
22:51
Speaker 4: We always love these judges, don't we in Louisiana has
22:56
Speaker 4: granted a group that includes sixteen football players, including that
23:00
Speaker 4: are in NFL training camps this summer, a restraining order
23:06
Speaker 4: to allow them.
23:07
Speaker 2: To return to college sports this season.
23:11
Speaker 4: A power four personnel executive summed up the surreal scene
23:15
Speaker 4: in the wake of the Louisiana state ruling yesterday, saying, quote,
23:18
Speaker 4: pretty hilarious, we are now cutting up NFL preseason games
23:21
Speaker 4: for late roster ads.
23:23
Speaker 2: No, it's this A comment was so do it again again?
23:30
Speaker 2: Restate that line again? Please the quote. Yeah, but before
23:33
Speaker 2: the quote.
23:34
Speaker 4: A powerful personnel executive summed up the surreal scene in
23:38
Speaker 4: the wake of Louisiana State rulers.
23:40
Speaker 2: By saying, this judge is on crack. Well, here's the deal.
23:46
Speaker 4: This would allow potentially Diego Pavia to return to college
23:50
Speaker 4: football if he files a lawsuit.
23:55
Speaker 2: So there you go.
23:56
Speaker 4: Pavia was in NFL training camp and now could go
23:59
Speaker 4: back to so well, his only other.
24:01
Speaker 2: Option would be to go to Canada and earn my
24:04
Speaker 2: So he's going to go to court saying I have
24:07
Speaker 2: the right to earn a paycheck. I have the right
24:09
Speaker 2: to earn a paycheck by playing football. That's corel, and
24:12
Speaker 2: that will be his point of contention. Yeah, and they're
24:14
Speaker 2: going to have to decide whether or not his seventeen
24:17
Speaker 2: years of college service is enough. Hey, fact, if you
24:21
Speaker 2: at some point a judge is going to say, well, sir,
24:24
Speaker 2: you gone to college now for eighteen plus years. You
24:28
Speaker 2: should have two doctorates, but you want to play more
24:31
Speaker 2: college football. Well, there's money on the line.
24:33
Speaker 5: I want to go back in Doc Brown's time machine
24:35
Speaker 5: twenty five years and run into younger Moje and explain
24:41
Speaker 5: to young Moje and young Vic and you're still what
24:44
Speaker 5: are you doing?
24:46
Speaker 2: He'll sucking with the t bodder you. I don't even
24:48
Speaker 2: know what you're doing.
24:49
Speaker 5: And then say this is the way college football is
24:52
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six, and I would be no, there's
24:54
Speaker 5: not a chance, not a not a chance.
24:59
Speaker 2: Is it going to be? Like, here's what's really weird,
25:01
Speaker 2: because this, Brett, this this is insane.
25:03
Speaker 5: You've got you've got players who have played professional basketball
25:07
Speaker 5: now eligible to go back and play college basketball.
25:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, here's what's really weird to me is that
25:14
Speaker 4: between that news and then this and I don't know
25:16
Speaker 4: what's going on here.
25:18
Speaker 2: So you have the the.
25:22
Speaker 4: What's his name out of Los Angeles, Walker Walter Mark
25:26
Speaker 4: Walter Mark Walter, that story where he's like, I might
25:29
Speaker 4: not be able to afford anything anymore, and then I
25:33
Speaker 4: see the news yesterday Matt Ishbia borrowed money from JP
25:37
Speaker 4: Morgan to complete the four billion dollar purchase of the Suns.
25:40
Speaker 4: He had to put up four point six billion in
25:42
Speaker 4: his company stock as collateral, but the stock has been
25:45
Speaker 4: down seventy percent since the deal closed. His money is
25:49
Speaker 4: now not worth what it was when he bought the team.
25:51
Speaker 2: But there's a big difference between those two. He actually
25:54
Speaker 2: has liquid money, he just has chosen to use the
25:57
Speaker 2: loan to pay for So if he wanted to at
26:00
Speaker 2: Ishubia wanted to pay for the entire team with money
26:02
Speaker 2: in the bank, he's got the money. He sold the money.
26:04
Speaker 2: But does he have four billion dollars? He's got six
26:07
Speaker 2: billion over the last two years. Okay, liquid, So it's
26:10
Speaker 2: it's his his issue is And you know, there's a
26:13
Speaker 2: reason people are rich and the reason we're not at
26:16
Speaker 2: that level. They know how to manipulate the money at
26:20
Speaker 2: its top, at its bank.
26:21
Speaker 5: I'd like to know how to manipulate some money I got,
26:24
Speaker 5: I got, I got a twenty in my pocket.
26:26
Speaker 2: What can I manipulate that into?
26:27
Speaker 4: And and that's also tied in with Live Golf is
26:31
Speaker 4: being sued for one point two to three million dollars
26:34
Speaker 4: in unpaid invoices by Fresh Tape Media, which is a
26:37
Speaker 4: local company.
26:38
Speaker 2: Right. That's my friend Jared Kleinstein, who runs a great
26:40
Speaker 2: company located right there by my brother studio. And Fresh
26:44
Speaker 2: Tape Media is a creative enterprise. They do some great work.
26:47
Speaker 2: They've worked with the NBA, they've worked with the Nuggets,
26:49
Speaker 2: and he did a lot of work for Live and
26:51
Speaker 2: they didn't pay him.
26:52
Speaker 4: How do you not have money to pay people for
26:56
Speaker 4: the services?
26:56
Speaker 7: Well?
26:57
Speaker 5: Can you go, hey, John Rahm, I know we gave
26:58
Speaker 5: you two hundred and fifty million, Well could we have
27:01
Speaker 5: one point three to five back to pay this guy?
27:03
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm wondering.
27:04
Speaker 4: It's like, I I don't understand why everything now was
27:08
Speaker 4: like the people who own the billions of dollars of
27:11
Speaker 4: things now can't afford the billions of dollars they've already
27:13
Speaker 4: committed to.
27:14
Speaker 5: When I was talking to you yesterday, Vick, it's hysterical.
27:19
Speaker 5: I said, pick at the Wall Street Journal, Brett, have
27:21
Speaker 5: you ever picked up a Wall Street Journal? He's like, ah,
27:26
Speaker 5: but that article laid it out there. I hopefully I
27:28
Speaker 5: did a pretty good job of educating you on what's
27:31
Speaker 5: going down. And then you read all the stories yesterday, Vic,
27:34
Speaker 5: this guy needs twenty billion in cash by December thirty.
27:38
Speaker 2: First, the Feds are all over him. You know, sometimes
27:42
Speaker 2: you wonder and when you see like this high wire
27:45
Speaker 2: act that these people are playing with money, and you
27:49
Speaker 2: start to wonder, is everybody playing these shell games? I mean,
27:53
Speaker 2: can I walk in and say, now I got four billion,
27:58
Speaker 2: not Omi, not on mey, but I have access to
28:00
Speaker 2: four billion got this year, but it's not on me
28:03
Speaker 2: right now? I want to buy a team.
28:05
Speaker 4: Can I ask a question that I very obviously have
28:09
Speaker 4: no idea what the answer is to this? But I
28:12
Speaker 4: think I've read this before, which is always a great
28:15
Speaker 4: way to start a sentence. Owners like Ishbiah who buy
28:19
Speaker 4: things with stock because it's essentially what he's done.
28:22
Speaker 2: He put that up as collateral. Right. The value of
28:25
Speaker 2: his company has fallen hard.
28:28
Speaker 4: But this is what I'm asking they do that because
28:31
Speaker 4: if you buy something with a stock, you aren't taxed
28:33
Speaker 4: on the money that you're buying something with, right, Isn't
28:35
Speaker 4: that part.
28:35
Speaker 2: Of the whole. He didn't buy the team with stock,
28:39
Speaker 2: a loan from j JP Morgan to buy the team.
28:42
Speaker 4: But that's I mean essentially, if you're getting money as
28:46
Speaker 4: a loan and the collateral is your stock, you're buying
28:49
Speaker 4: something with the stock.
28:51
Speaker 2: It's not the NBA, he os, it's JP Morgan, correct,
28:55
Speaker 2: But if you can't pay JP Morgan.
28:58
Speaker 4: Again, the difference was a waitre telling me he could
29:01
Speaker 4: make that loan whole. He could pay that loan off
29:03
Speaker 4: right now with cash.
29:04
Speaker 2: You're telling me about well, I mean, just google Matt
29:05
Speaker 2: Ishbia's networth. Well, I think a lot of it though
29:08
Speaker 2: is tied to his companies, well the mortgage company. But
29:13
Speaker 2: but see, he sold dividends that the dividends came out
29:16
Speaker 2: on stock, and he and his family own most of
29:19
Speaker 2: the dividends, so he's made money on his own stock.
29:23
Speaker 5: Okay, what I'm trying to tell you is VIC maybe
29:25
Speaker 5: have kept keeping up the current events, but the mortgage
29:27
Speaker 5: industry right now is steady struggling, including the biggest one
29:31
Speaker 5: in the market.
29:31
Speaker 2: Understood in Ishbiah, Yeah, understood.
29:35
Speaker 5: So I mean you're talking about stock dividends when that
29:37
Speaker 5: stock is crashing seventy percent.
29:40
Speaker 2: Bro.
29:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, it says he's his net worth is six billion dollars,
29:44
Speaker 4: but I mean a lot of that is tied up
29:46
Speaker 4: in his stock, in that UWM that he owns.
29:49
Speaker 5: This Walter story, the Dodger story, VIC he's desperately trying
29:54
Speaker 5: to get cash, right, the report that he tried to
29:57
Speaker 5: work a deal with Charter to get let them out
29:59
Speaker 5: of the.
30:01
Speaker 2: It's just all insane.
30:02
Speaker 4: Clarify. Forbes just had something on this. His net worth
30:07
Speaker 4: was nine point one billion. It's dropped to six because
30:12
Speaker 4: of this drop in the stock. So now he's just
30:15
Speaker 4: being squeezed, squeezed, squeezed tight, so.
30:19
Speaker 2: You know, only instead of nine billion. One think what
30:22
Speaker 2: I think a bigger question, And I mean, boy, we're
30:24
Speaker 2: going way off the reservation here on going deep into
30:28
Speaker 2: the weeds. Can somebody just default on owning a team
30:32
Speaker 2: like that? I'm saying to Joe pomp who I follow
30:35
Speaker 2: on Twitter. He's a business sports business insider and he
30:39
Speaker 2: wrote great piece on this, and the big question is
30:41
Speaker 2: why are so many of these venture capital companies. Why
30:45
Speaker 2: did Goggenheim, Why are so many people now investing in sports,
30:50
Speaker 2: in professional teams? And the reason is it's a great
30:55
Speaker 2: tax shelter. It's a great place to park your money
31:00
Speaker 2: for tax reasons for these huge companies huge and not
31:05
Speaker 2: have to worry about taxes that you have in other industries.
31:09
Speaker 4: Well, that, on top of over the last four or
31:11
Speaker 4: five decades, is maybe the only thing on the planet
31:13
Speaker 4: that has never been valued less than what you're previously.
31:17
Speaker 5: Boy, it's not like buying a new car when you're
31:19
Speaker 5: driving out the a lot, it depreciates. You buy a
31:20
Speaker 5: sports franchise, it's going to appreciate.
31:23
Speaker 4: Like real estate is a big thing people invest in
31:25
Speaker 4: because usually the number is going to go up, but
31:27
Speaker 4: it sometimes does dip down. Never seen a professional sports
31:30
Speaker 4: franchise do that.
31:31
Speaker 2: Agreed.
31:31
Speaker 5: But even if this guy, and I'm sure you've read
31:34
Speaker 5: all the articles about the Dodgers situation, right and of
31:37
Speaker 5: course the sale of the Lakers that netted him two
31:39
Speaker 5: bill even if he sells the Dodgers, he's likely not
31:44
Speaker 5: going to be able to do and make good on
31:46
Speaker 5: the twenty billion.
31:47
Speaker 2: He's got to come.
31:48
Speaker 5: Up with by December thirty first, and then when you
31:51
Speaker 5: look at the way the Dodgers have done business and
31:53
Speaker 5: this shell game of what they've done and the deferring.
31:57
Speaker 5: But when you don't have the actual.
31:59
Speaker 4: Bread in hand, and I'm telling you, the Feds are
32:03
Speaker 4: on this guy, and I can just say, I think
32:07
Speaker 4: this is going to end very poorly.
32:10
Speaker 5: And you all these guys, well, the Dodgers are out
32:12
Speaker 5: smarting everybody. The Dodgers like it's a big shell game.
32:15
Speaker 2: See. I don't know if he's doing anything illegal. I
32:18
Speaker 2: think just the way the way he's being evaluated right now,
32:23
Speaker 2: he's over leveraging himself. Yeah.
32:26
Speaker 5: I saw a guy yesterday. I saw a guy who
32:29
Speaker 5: looks at he's a he's a paper guy. He's a
32:32
Speaker 5: smart business paper guy. And he's been looking at all
32:35
Speaker 5: the paper from these different companies that this guy owns,
32:39
Speaker 5: and they're getting squalled and Brett, He's right, they're squeezed,
32:42
Speaker 5: getting squeezed and squased and squeezed all the way down.
32:45
Speaker 2: This is not good. Three.
32:48
Speaker 3: All the.
32:50
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32:52
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33:18
Speaker 6: Here's one you guys know, Scott Steiner.
33:22
Speaker 4: We have brought him up on this show before, the
33:24
Speaker 4: old wrestling guy who was all rooted out talking about
33:26
Speaker 4: percentage of chances to win.
33:28
Speaker 2: Right. His son plays in the NFL.
33:31
Speaker 4: He's at Saints camp and there was a lot of
33:34
Speaker 4: fights that took place in the joint practice between the
33:37
Speaker 4: Saints and the Dallas Cowboys a couple days ago. His
33:41
Speaker 4: name is brock reck Steiner is their actual name, but
33:45
Speaker 4: the son of Scott Steiner and Nelly.
33:47
Speaker 2: If you could pull up the video behind me.
33:49
Speaker 4: He pulled a move that his dad is an expert
33:53
Speaker 4: in which his fight is breaking out, so a lot
33:57
Speaker 4: of pushing and pulling. You can see this is him right,
33:59
Speaker 4: here's his face mask grabbed, yanking, big scrum and.
34:05
Speaker 6: Then finally he gets hit by another guy.
34:07
Speaker 4: They get into a tussle and he gives on the
34:10
Speaker 4: old souplex slam. He pulls a stunt from his dad
34:15
Speaker 4: and throws the guy on the ground. Now, if you
34:17
Speaker 4: guys don't know what we're talking about with Scott Steiner,
34:19
Speaker 4: it's this.
34:20
Speaker 2: See Normally, if.
34:21
Speaker 8: You go one on one with another wrestler, you got
34:23
Speaker 8: a fifty to fifty chance of winning. But I'm a
34:25
Speaker 8: genetic freak and I'm not normal. So you got twenty
34:29
Speaker 8: five percent at best at beating me. And then you
34:32
Speaker 8: add Kurt Angle to the mix. Your chance of winning
34:35
Speaker 8: trass to go down.
34:37
Speaker 2: See the three way.
34:38
Speaker 8: At Sacrifice, you got a thirty three and a third
34:41
Speaker 8: chance of winning, but I I got a sixty six
34:44
Speaker 8: and two third chance of winning because Kurt Angle knows
34:47
Speaker 8: he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try.
34:50
Speaker 8: So Samo Joe, you take your thirty three and a
34:53
Speaker 8: third chance minus my twenty five percent chance, and you
34:56
Speaker 8: got an eight and a third chance of winning at Sacrifice.
35:00
Speaker 8: But then you take my seventy five perchance chance of winning.
35:03
Speaker 8: If we used to go on, hold on and then
35:05
Speaker 8: add sixty six percent, I got.
35:09
Speaker 2: One hundred and forty one and two thirds chance of
35:11
Speaker 2: winning at sacrifice as good math. That's super good math. Alright,
35:15
Speaker 2: got the next one here, vic I want to trade,
35:19
Speaker 2: I want out, nobody loves me. I hate it. Here
35:23
Speaker 2: Vitave has got.
35:24
Speaker 5: A new UH one year thirty million dollar extension added
35:28
Speaker 5: on to the obviously playing this year too, So it's
35:31
Speaker 5: two years for Vitavea. Buccaneers not trading him. He's not
35:34
Speaker 5: going anywhere. All this Vitave to all the Broncos get
35:37
Speaker 5: trade for Vitave. He's staying in Tampa, and you get
35:41
Speaker 5: that squeaky wheel. Here comes the thirty million dollar WD forty.
35:45
Speaker 2: Baby. Well, he's really good. I understand that he's really good,
35:51
Speaker 2: and he deserves some money. I don't like he requests
35:56
Speaker 2: a trade very simply. He's like.
35:59
Speaker 4: The trade request was get me paid and we'll be
36:02
Speaker 4: all good now. The difference between him and Baker Mayfield.
36:05
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield wanted term, he wanted years. Vita Vea was like,
36:09
Speaker 4: I want money now.
36:11
Speaker 2: Money met, I got one for you. Oh, by the way,
36:15
Speaker 2: you guys know who Leonora Sellers is.
36:17
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, quarterback.
36:20
Speaker 2: South Carolina SEC guy. Some things are not like the
36:24
Speaker 2: other fellas in college sports. Lenora's Sellers graduates in December.
36:30
Speaker 2: He has no classes this semester. His only responsibility is
36:36
Speaker 2: an internship with a local driving range called the Party
36:41
Speaker 2: Golf Center. A hold on, hold on a second. He's
36:44
Speaker 2: he's an intern in a driving range. Yeah, okay, yeah,
36:48
Speaker 2: that's it. That's his only school commitment, has no classes.
36:53
Speaker 2: He has nothing else.
36:54
Speaker 5: And by the way, he's only a junior, so he's
36:56
Speaker 5: obviously plowing his way through school pretty well.
36:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting through. He graduates and probably they take
37:01
Speaker 2: those summer courses whatever. Uh, but that's it. He's he's
37:07
Speaker 2: working at a driving range. I love it. I want
37:11
Speaker 2: to do that. What's his nil deal?
37:13
Speaker 5: So he's getting paid to play quarterback in the SEC.
37:17
Speaker 5: He's got no more classes and he just gets to
37:19
Speaker 5: hit balls all day.
37:20
Speaker 2: Well, he was asked, what are you going to be doing? Quote,
37:22
Speaker 2: just facility management, stuff like that, cutting grass, picking the balls,
37:26
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that. Okay, well, how about this.
37:30
Speaker 4: Leonora's Sellers turned down a two year, eight million dollar
37:33
Speaker 4: deal to enter the transfer portal.
37:36
Speaker 2: He turned that down, so they're paying him pretty well.
37:38
Speaker 2: That means that he's getting his own money. Of South Carolina.
37:40
Speaker 4: His overall valuation sits near the top tier of college
37:43
Speaker 4: football at approximately two point seven to three point seven
37:46
Speaker 4: million dollars, bolstered by partnerships with Nike, T Mobile, and
37:50
Speaker 4: local automotive groups. So he, you know, it might have
37:54
Speaker 4: turned out a little bit more money to stay at
37:56
Speaker 4: South Carolina.
37:56
Speaker 2: Good for end. I don't begrudge him for that. I'm
37:58
Speaker 2: not trying to. I'm not judging him. I'm just the
38:01
Speaker 2: only thing I'm judging is this notion that college football
38:05
Speaker 2: and the top tier they're not student athletes. Stop that again.
38:09
Speaker 2: Five years ago working they're working.
38:11
Speaker 5: Yea, twenty five years ago me could not even remotely
38:14
Speaker 5: predict the heck is going on in college football, man,
38:17
Speaker 5: college sports period.
38:18
Speaker 2: He's not going to you know, club functions with the
38:23
Speaker 2: rest of the co Eds. This is a job.
38:27
Speaker 4: Can I set something up for something? I know you
38:29
Speaker 4: want to get to VIC And it's this quote from
38:31
Speaker 4: Rory McElroy.
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Speaker 9: Yesterday, Rory Scotty was asked about the possibility of live
38:35
Speaker 9: guys coming back and whether they bring value in your opinion,
38:39
Speaker 9: are there, guys, if it goes away, that should be
38:42
Speaker 9: allowed by.
38:44
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd argue, how if they brought value to live?
38:48
Speaker 2: Oh baby, you know, I think PJ Tour is in
38:53
Speaker 2: a really good spot.
38:54
Speaker 4: Okay, so Rory gets to say this stuff because the
38:56
Speaker 4: PGA Tour was never going anywhere. I would also to
39:00
Speaker 4: say to Rory, as good and as popular as you are, Rory,
39:03
Speaker 4: if you went to Live, you wouldn't bring eyeballs over
39:06
Speaker 4: there either, because nobody.
39:07
Speaker 2: Cares when Live happened and Rory was at the top
39:11
Speaker 2: of his game? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
39:14
Speaker 4: Would you have watched Live Golf with the big NASCAR
39:17
Speaker 4: leaderboard on the left side and and all that stuff
39:20
Speaker 4: if Rory McElroy went there.
39:22
Speaker 2: No, But to say that he brings no value is
39:24
Speaker 2: also disingenuous. That's what I like. That's what that's so
39:28
Speaker 2: you agree with me, That's what I said. I think
39:30
Speaker 2: the way they approach golf to live is all wrong.
39:34
Speaker 2: This the team concept, the NASCAR approach. I agree with
39:37
Speaker 2: you there, but they also took on players whose careers
39:41
Speaker 2: were washed, and only two of those three players even
39:44
Speaker 2: mattered at the time.
39:45
Speaker 4: I mean, well, John rom was one of the team.
39:50
Speaker 2: And Kopka were still matter super huge names. Y yeah,
39:53
Speaker 2: who else?
39:54
Speaker 10: But but hang on the point here when Rory says
39:57
Speaker 10: that there's this this sort of air of if I
40:01
Speaker 10: went to Live, I would have brought eyeballs, And I
40:03
Speaker 10: know you wouldn't have moved the needle either, because nobody
40:05
Speaker 10: wants to watch live golf.
40:06
Speaker 2: I mean that's the big thing, all right. I think
40:08
Speaker 2: he spoke the truth. But you don't like Rory, so
40:10
Speaker 2: you're gonna admire Well, of course I don't like Rory.
40:12
Speaker 2: But am I saying something that's that's not true? If
40:15
Speaker 2: Rory went to Live? Would you have watched live golf? No? No,
40:18
Speaker 2: that's my point.
40:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean right, you take a look here though,
40:20
Speaker 5: like Vicks Wright in some respects, I mean, Bubba Watson washed,
40:24
Speaker 5: Lee Westwood washed, Garcia washed, Ian Poulter washed.
40:29
Speaker 2: They got some big names over there, Graham mcgdell, whom
40:32
Speaker 2: we like, But it's like it wash.
40:33
Speaker 4: Do you do you think that Bryson Deshamba playing in
40:36
Speaker 4: the PGA Tour every single.
40:37
Speaker 2: Week would have brought some value to the PGA Tour? Yeah?
40:39
Speaker 2: I do, Okay, he's a good enough golfer whatever, Let's
40:42
Speaker 2: let's move on, because they Live Golf is spiral, lying
40:44
Speaker 2: they're about to die. In fact, they're not paying their bills.
40:47
Speaker 2: A good friend of mine who owns a local company
40:49
Speaker 2: called Fresh Tape Media. They do creative cut the music
40:52
Speaker 2: here now. His name is Jared Kleinstein. He joins us
40:55
Speaker 2: live on what's your hotline called almost lo hotline. Thank
40:58
Speaker 2: you very much, jaredy with us.
41:01
Speaker 7: I'm here, What up boy?
41:02
Speaker 2: How you doing man? Thank you? Thank you for chiming in.
41:05
Speaker 2: So your company, Fresh Aide Media, had to file a
41:08
Speaker 2: lawsuit against the Live tour for not paying you. What
41:11
Speaker 2: services did you provide, Jared?
41:14
Speaker 7: So we produced their whole media day, infrastructure and everything
41:19
Speaker 7: in January. So if you guys, I mean you guys
41:22
Speaker 7: have gone to a million nuggets and abs media days
41:26
Speaker 7: for Live. The unique thing is instead of having, you know,
41:30
Speaker 7: different teams have different media days, they brought every single
41:33
Speaker 7: player for one week in West Palm where we were
41:39
Speaker 7: all together with the every single team, every player, to
41:41
Speaker 7: capture all the media for the whole year. So we're
41:44
Speaker 7: talking all the photography, the evergreen video content, all the
41:48
Speaker 7: social shorts, everything you see on digital and social in
41:53
Speaker 7: a few days periods. So we did everything from venue
41:56
Speaker 7: bookings to catering to the the set designs, producing a
42:03
Speaker 7: little bit of everything it was and they.
42:04
Speaker 2: Still we haven't paid. They haven't paid you a dime?
42:07
Speaker 2: What are they always know?
42:08
Speaker 7: They paid the first half earlier in the year and
42:11
Speaker 7: then still one point just under one point to outstanding
42:16
Speaker 7: with that extra remainder that you guys can see all
42:19
Speaker 7: the stuff in the lawsity.
42:20
Speaker 2: It sounds like a Mark Moser, whoa whoa Jared, Jared
42:25
Speaker 2: dolet me get away with it? All right? So you see,
42:28
Speaker 2: you see the live tour circling the drain, and we
42:31
Speaker 2: all do. So you decided to go public with this.
42:34
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance you get paid back?
42:37
Speaker 2: Or do you think they filed bankruptcy and throw their
42:39
Speaker 2: hands in the air.
42:40
Speaker 7: I do. I mean the crazy thing about it is
42:43
Speaker 7: like I'm not the live hater. I took my I like,
42:48
Speaker 7: went with our GM David and created director Brad to
42:52
Speaker 7: the Virginia event last year and I was like, oh
42:55
Speaker 7: my god, for my kids, this is a great experience.
42:57
Speaker 7: They did a lot when it comes to a shotgun,
43:00
Speaker 7: you know, not good for a golf tournament, great for
43:03
Speaker 7: a family experience, right they did. They had a whole
43:06
Speaker 7: kids area with a you know, fan box and climbing out.
43:10
Speaker 7: I thought to myself, like, as a parent of two
43:12
Speaker 7: little girls, I this is a fantastic thing. I want
43:15
Speaker 7: to take them to over you know, a PGA event
43:18
Speaker 7: where I'm you know, hoping to keep them said, to
43:21
Speaker 7: keep them quiet. Right. That being said, like, I think
43:26
Speaker 7: the way that our lawyers approached this was as a
43:29
Speaker 7: last resort. We did not want this to happen. And
43:33
Speaker 7: I think it's a really interesting situation. If we're being candid,
43:38
Speaker 7: They've been paying people. They have to pay people, they
43:40
Speaker 7: have to put on these tournaments, so they have to
43:42
Speaker 7: be uh, you know, giving money to the videographers showing
43:48
Speaker 7: up this week in Indie.
43:49
Speaker 2: Right, So.
43:51
Speaker 7: We think, yeah, like, so the reason we didn't get
43:54
Speaker 7: paid is, you know, we're the people that have already
43:57
Speaker 7: done the work, right. They don't need us for Indy,
44:01
Speaker 7: they need us for the whole season. So it's an
44:05
Speaker 7: unfortunate situation. But you know, I've worked with some really
44:08
Speaker 7: great people over there, and I'm hoping they pass up.
44:11
Speaker 2: Well, I feel terrible for you, and I hope you
44:13
Speaker 2: do get paid. If you need someone, If you need
44:17
Speaker 2: a bouncer, frankly, let us know, let us know what
44:20
Speaker 2: we can do.
44:20
Speaker 7: I know some people Terry, who's the muscle between the
44:23
Speaker 7: three of you?
44:24
Speaker 2: But yeah, probably okay, well Nelly, Nelly plays a saxophone
44:30
Speaker 2: and that's that's not as muscular as we get. But
44:33
Speaker 2: if if you need something, we'll get Hey. Last note,
44:36
Speaker 2: because I know that your facility is right by the
44:39
Speaker 2: Burnham Yard area. And don't let anybody fool you, folks.
44:43
Speaker 2: Even though you're hearing these things about possibly going to
44:46
Speaker 2: loan Tree, they're not going to loan Tree. The stadium
44:48
Speaker 2: is going to be built where it is. They've invested
44:51
Speaker 2: a ton of money buying that property. Trust me, they're
44:53
Speaker 2: not baling. Now. How excited are you that a new stadium,
44:57
Speaker 2: a new neighborhood is going to be built by your business.
45:01
Speaker 2: It's a dream.
45:02
Speaker 7: I mean, like we so we've been in this neighborhood.
45:05
Speaker 7: We're between seventh and eighth on Klamath. Every one of
45:08
Speaker 7: you who's driven up to the mountains, like down eight
45:12
Speaker 7: on that crazy turn on Kalamath to get to six
45:15
Speaker 7: to staff our office, and the neighborhood is one of
45:19
Speaker 7: the like lost neighborhoods of Denver, right, it's kind of forgotten.
45:23
Speaker 7: It's a semi industrial right between the Art District and
45:29
Speaker 7: the Highway. And this is going to, you know, bring
45:32
Speaker 7: jobs and attention and everything good that comes with a
45:36
Speaker 7: real estate development to the area. And I mean, for me,
45:40
Speaker 7: this is the super selfish thing, like I don't have
45:43
Speaker 7: to pay for parking.
45:43
Speaker 2: For Broncos make getting a little side hustle going on.
45:50
Speaker 7: I don't know if I don't think that like charging
45:52
Speaker 7: you boys versus like getting guaranteed like once a month
45:57
Speaker 7: I get to just pretend to be one of the
45:59
Speaker 7: four of you on a show feels better than fifty bucks
46:01
Speaker 7: for parking spot just saying, but now it's gonna be
46:04
Speaker 7: a lot of fun.
46:05
Speaker 4: Well, Jared, appreciate your time. Thanks so much for giving
46:07
Speaker 4: us like an update of what's going on with and.
46:09
Speaker 2: Good luck getting that cash, buddy. Don't get that money, buddy.
46:11
Speaker 7: Let's do it, do you guys?
46:13
Speaker 2: You bet?
46:13
Speaker 6: There you go. That's a crazy story though.
46:17
Speaker 2: So Jared, you know mos as, you know when the
46:18
Speaker 2: Avs and the Nuggets at the beginning of the season
46:21
Speaker 2: on media days, when they do those little hot videos
46:23
Speaker 2: on this to his company. That's what they do. Yeah,
46:25
Speaker 2: and it's really good. It's super good. Yeah, it's really good.
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Speaker 4: So he joined us in the ramost Law Hotline. We
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Speaker 4: have Jeff Lakewall of the ESPN coming up next