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Critically Acclaimed #336 | I Know What You Did Last Summer, Eddington, My Mom Jane · Critically Acclaimed Network

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[SPEAKER_00]: Greetings friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to critically acclaimed the film review podcast where we review movies and are accompanied by some rather clever sound effects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that clever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that clever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It says the one we use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Whitney Sybold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a film critic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I contribute to slash them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With me, as always, is my intelligence-sintelating and far more capable co-host.
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[SPEAKER_00]: William, what do you introduce yourself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My name is William Bibbiani.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am a film critic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I write for the rap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody calls me boobs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a late at night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a Sunday night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a hot summer night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, well, you know what that means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to offer our throats to the wolf with red roses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a hot summer night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't offer my throat to wolves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he, he, he, he's gonna offer you his mouth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I'm getting like kissed on the neck, that's kind of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tough honor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll offer you his teeth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if it's just like an animal wolf or is this a nickname?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's gonna offer you is this hot dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna offer you his hunger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's wolf blitzer tenderly kissing my neck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna starve without you, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He loves you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this is getting into this weird the natto-philic romance that I'm not comfortable with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you say that's all the boys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone out there is a meatloaf fan and you're cackling right now and everyone else is completely perplexed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to all of those people, I apologize for taking the words right out of your mouth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It must have been what we were podcasting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is our podcast where we just love Jim Steinman, damn it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were movie movies, and what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a really giant one on the last critically claimed podcast, because we were way for a couple of weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of catching up to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Karma has betrayed us because this week, we have three movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and I only saw one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, they were going to time when we were like, oh, should we?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that even enough to podcast?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to give you the whole podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then next week we'll have a reasonable number of movies to review.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe we can keep that going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go nuts, shall we?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go sane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This week, on critically claimed, you're going to be reviewing the latest legacy sequel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what you did last summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, the latest, Ariastra made a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Addington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a movie was not good to your exasperate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have my patients for Ariastres.
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[SPEAKER_01]: often fraught.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, it's a great way to describe it's movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I do the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's not what he's going for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's neutral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an exhausting filmmaker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I haven't even seen this doing something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this one is going to be light and fluffy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll describe it in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, you saw a film that came on a little earlier this year, but we missed called My Mom Jane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a documentary about Jane Mansfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got told from the perspective of her daughter, Merchky, hard to take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You directed the film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shoot it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That totally flung to my radar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an HBO documentary, but I think it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you will, okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're gonna, we're gonna die right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, yeah, there's a New Legacy Sequel, it's another horror film where we're gonna use the original title, but technically it's a sequel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, I know what you did last summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know what you did last summer is a weird franchise, because it was, it was, it was one of the first movies, maybe the first
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[SPEAKER_01]: proper film to exploit the success of Scream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because when West Craven's Scream came out, it was hugely successful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Critically claimed, which is rare for a slash movie in any era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it rejuvenated interest in slash or genre, which had been waning for the better part of a decade by that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it
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[SPEAKER_01]: set up like a whole wave of post-screen slasher's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally just wrote an article about that, uh, at the rap, talking about the best films I've tried to capitalize on the success of screen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know which of the last summer is an interesting case though, because screen was so popular, it made the screen writer famous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's almost never happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a real rarity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Williamson was the the screenwriters name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he became sort of a one of the masters of the teen genre in the late nineties, not just the screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know what you did last summer, but he was behind a lot of those teen TV.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It does well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Dawson's Creek.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the the holy Trinity of these writers are rewriting how young people talk in our media at that time and granted, you know, there's some caveats here, but it was Kevin Smith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joss Wheaton and Kevin Williams said, and Quentin Tarantino was in there too, but he wasn't really putting words into like teenagers' mouths, including older people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was the group that was changing how dialogue was being presented in film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they made it all about what teens were actually talking about, which was pop culture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we had instead of culture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had pop culture and so screen was a movie, a horror movie starring characters who had seen all the horror movies and could recognize their situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very self-aware.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Clerks was about people who, you know, they're working in convenience stores and they're only frame of reference for life as Star Wars references.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Bobby the Vampire Slayer was, you know, yeah, okay, everything's a monster, but damn it, we're just so ironically detached.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when screen was a huge hit, one of the first things a studio did was like, oh wait, we have another Kevin Williamson script that we never made, but he's old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was an adaptation of a YA thriller novel by Lois Duncan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The novel was from the nineteen seventies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's called I know what you did last summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a premise that had been kind of toyed with in various levels William Castle even made a similar movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was called I know what you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw what you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but a bunch of kids who were like making prank phone calls and they were calling him and saying I saw what you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Under the auspice that everyone had something very ashamed of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they actually call it killer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They call somebody who'd like just got done murdering someone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's great movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we've been playing with this similar premise for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I haven't read the original book, but I've done some reading on the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And from when I understand, Lois Duncan didn't like the movie at all, because the movie's a slasher movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she didn't have a slasher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's in the movie, there's this fisherman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't see his face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wearing a spring slicker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a big meat hook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And meat hooks his victims.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and walks around in these big galoshas and disposes about his usual slasher would be stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lowest Duncan did a little bit more of like a crime and punishment type, like guilt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a psychological opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was quite cocky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the movie, the victim is an adult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that they hit their car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's four young people, they're drunk one evening, they're driving up a remote road in their South Carolina village and they run over a guy with a car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They rather than call the police, they decide to throw him in the river.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The extra twist in the movie is, while they're disposing of him, he alerts his back to life and actually do murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they're mean to, they thought they were disposing of body, which was bad enough, but on top of it all, oh shit, we killed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they actually like actively killed a guy in that first movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the book, it's a young boy on a bike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They run him down, it's like...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Far more sad and they just and it's just like a hit and run they drive off the call the police but then they drive off the hotel anyone I'd tell I remember I need to be running in both the book and the movie a year passes they're back together Everybody's despondent and miserable now most of their lives I think there's like one of them who's actually like doing okay because she's like real in the book anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like really What's weird?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's really detached from it all and she's like working in media I think I think she was working in radio or something
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[SPEAKER_01]: Earlier, she was like a local weather person or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like one of them seems to be doing okay, but yeah, and they start getting these messages saying, I know what you did last summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're not referring to like, yeah, I had that suspicious mole removed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't they mean the murder?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they start questioning who is doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and thrills about, yeah, Kevin Williamson's take on it, as much as it bothered Louis Duncan, because she didn't make a violent movie, and she didn't like that all our characters were murdered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It hurt her, like her feelings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which I get, and she's entitled to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't just hurt her feelings, years later, before the real after the release of the book, in nineteen eighty nine, which was a decade before the movie, her own teenage daughter was murdered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like by a creep with a gun like actually like ran up to her car and and That's horrible and that was and they and they didn't catch the guy while she was alive So she was putting out all these like citizens Detective patrols like she was really trying to catch this guy and
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did that violence touch the young people and that she sees this movie about these young people getting murdered by a guy in the hook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this is not what I wrote from her perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very perverse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, she had stopped writing thrillers after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She only started doing children's picture books after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't until after she died that they caught the guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, glad they got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in twenty-twenty-two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they finally got the guy in murder at most times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh crap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Damn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they got him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Took a long time, but they got him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that movie, typical slasher, like you said, it was the first ripple that was formed by scream splashing into the pool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was the first movie that was greenlit because scream was successful and also made it to theaters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't, might not have been the first one that was, but it was out the next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was like a couple other slasher movies that had already been done that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Capitalized on the success, the movie Wishmaster, which I'm a huge fan of, which is a great slasher about a supernatural gin that kills you by twisting your wishes around on you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very clever and it's full of great cameo, it's very well-directed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was produced by Wes Craven, so after screen was a hit, because Wes Craven hadn't had a huge hit in a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They emblazoned his name on that thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You would never know who actually directed that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that capitalized on it, but I don't know if summer was for it, but I actually think as, and I don't know if Kevin Williamson had any idea about Lowestunken and her family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he did, maybe didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As a movie, I can say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know what you did last summer is, I would not say it's a great film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think what it did in order to incorporate slasher elements as its own entity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually quite clever because Kevin Lamson basically took the premise that very campfire story morality premise turned into a little campfire story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They literally, one of the first things in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're sitting around a campfire on a beach and they're telling the hook and story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he incorporated the hook-end urban legend about like the two kids neck and the makeup point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They hear that there's a killer with a hook for a hand and they were scratching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They drive away real fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They hear a horrible scream and when they get home on the door of the car was a severed bloody hook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy was about, I never got what that was all about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I heard that campfire story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a kid and they're on the handle was the hook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my question was, did he bang the hook and then run away?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he was trying to open the door and then they drove away on the hill to hook away with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't sell it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That did never connect to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone told that story badly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just like, and they're on the handle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how did it get there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did the killer put it there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did he put his own hand on the I don't get it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a theory and I I feel like a maybe I heard this from someone else I can't remember who if anyone knows there's a source to this Let me know but
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can't tell like a good campfire story, you might not be able to make a good horror movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like Jim Gillespie, who directed that movie, and he's not an amazing director.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have a huge career afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he knew that he was making a campfire story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is way more urban legend than that actual urban legend movie that they made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got the years later, which I actually only just saw for the first time very recently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the most big ones I saw on theaters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the bigger post screen slasher successes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Had a big cast a young people, Alicia Wedd, Jared Leto, Joshua Johnson, Joshua Jackson, Joshua Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and what's his name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy who was, what's Lutheran Smallville?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I forgot his name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like him actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never saw him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Rosenbaum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Rosenbaum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the premise of that one is a serial killer and their stick is that they recreate urban legends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, oh, there's a killer in the backseat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the person didn't know, oh, no, you woke up in the bathtub without your kidney.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Problem is they don't actually come up with like a good reason for that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like why is that their stick and also
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[SPEAKER_01]: ninety percent of their kills require an enormous amount of coincidence to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really forced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of underwashed, but it doesn't fall together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you'd let summer fall together really well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not an amazing movie, but if you look at it today compared to like a lot of the similar films that are made now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's stylishly presented.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's suspenseful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It knows how to make the most of it forgive me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a solid three, maybe three and a half star selection movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay, even at the time, I know the screenplay predated screen, but it felt super derivative at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot like the flippant type of language, the way these characters were very bored with the idea of horror, was that was all very derived from screenplay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't nowhere near as meta screen was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't as meta screen, but all the critics knew what was happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the post screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a matter of stick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this, it did gather together some very important cast members that ended up kind of defining a lot of teen movies for the next half a decade at the very least.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jennifer, if you, it's, uh, for Ann Philippe, uh, Freddie Prince Jr., and Sarah Michelle Geller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the four leads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also, uh, hold on a couple other people are like played like other kids and like a sister in that hold on a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll look it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That one guy friend he shows up in the sequel Granny does up in the sequel, which is great But who who who's who's that one guy from the big bang fairy who plays like the guy you might have seen them do it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not Johnny Goleki.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's Johnny Goleki.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's Johnny Goleki's in that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I forget who plays Sarah which I call his sister, but I got someone does
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's, it's a movie about, uh, Richard Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Bridget Wilson, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's a movie that's about sort of small town legacy, this, this idea that the cops want to cover this up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this sort of elements taken from jaws about how they're trying to keep the town look as friendly as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's murderers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, well, that's a big part of the new one, but that's, that's an element of the first one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as well because Sarah Michelle Geller plays like a beauty queen, one of them plays like a football star or a sporting star of some kind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea that these are supposed to be sort of like pure heart and all American teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd definitely love you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something like the Veledictorian or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that even these
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[SPEAKER_00]: models of good behavior, at least on paper, are capable of committing murders and bringing themselves into the rumble of death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an insidiousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was this sequel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still know what you did last summer, which should have been two summers ago at that point.
17:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think you should have been called, I still know.
17:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
17:17
[SPEAKER_01]: We would have been fine.
17:18
[SPEAKER_00]: We would have known.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still know.
17:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfectly fine.
17:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You could move on from that.
17:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But instead, it's like, as I said, last summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know what they did last summer for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You still know what they did two summers ago.
17:32
[SPEAKER_01]: that movie is one of the most annoying plot points in any movie I've ever seen because the whole thing is they think they've killed the guy they have them they think they killed the guy and everything's going okay and at the beginning of the movie Jennifer Love Hewitt and her college roommate Brandy there is like a radio contest and there's a trivia question they have to answer and the trivia question is and if they win they get like tickets to the slight Caribbean resort island
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[SPEAKER_01]: The trivia question was, what is the capital of Brazil?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they say, they answer Rio de Janeiro and they win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not correct.
18:10
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is the capital of Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I realize that that's not necessarily the best known piece of geography, but it's also not obscure either.
18:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's worth great stuff.
18:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of people, maybe not everyone.
18:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of people in the audience are gonna watch that and think one of two things, either
18:29
[SPEAKER_01]: This movie is really not smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is this a plot point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was.
18:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes no more sense once it's explained.
18:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But by God it is.
18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they got a resort town and the killers there and it's a whole thing.
18:47
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you shit?
18:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Jack Black is in it?
18:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
18:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been research.
18:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember so little about I still know what you did last.
18:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're saw in theaters.
18:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It came out one year after the first one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They clearly raced it in the theaters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jennifer love you it.
19:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a talented actress, but I feel like she's underserved.
19:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're all underserved by those the script.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Williams and has a lot of wit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not sure.
19:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if I can look that up.
19:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'd be surprised if he wrote the whole thing.
19:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that it passed.
19:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like, um, of the posts, like sort of the Neo Slash or boom, they were already running out of steam.
19:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It only been a couple of years.
19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Like only the screen sequels really kind of kept it going.
19:32
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few good ones in there.
19:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there was a bit of a tragedy because
19:38
[SPEAKER_01]: We hit with there were some kind of crap ones in the middle but like towards like two thousand two thousand one we started getting some like really good ones but by then people just kind of got over it like it was kind of exaggerated on and so some of the good ones I think
19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: either people were just weren't in the mood anymore and they didn't have a lot of grace in their hearts for you know, slash movies.
19:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They're often very inherently flawed, but I would argue that cherry falls.
20:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Cherry falls is a good one.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
20:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very dark and I do recommend looking into a content warning if you're sensitive about stuff, but the premise is genius.
20:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You know how every slash movie they kill you if you have sex, like that old chestnut.
20:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And in Cherry Falls, they kill you if you're a virgin.
20:17
[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't had sex yet, you're a victim.
20:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So like everyone in the high school starts planning an origin to get themselves out of the shopping block.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so fucking twisted and great.
20:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
20:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And that one time, which I finally saw for the first time.
20:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty good.
20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember not liking Valentine again.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not what I haven't seen since theaters.
20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: We watched it.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got something on its mind, which not all of them can say.
20:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, uh, Halloween seven was one of the came out in that wave.
20:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And each two, I was clearly inspired by it.
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was in that style.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It also worked on that one.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, and you know what, like that one, okay.
20:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's solid.
20:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, most of the Halloween sequels are really shitty, so the one was kind of okay is.
20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I would actually argue that's Jamie Lee Curtis's best performance in the whole series.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's a great one.
21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's a great one.
21:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that movie.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, Halloween Resurrection.
21:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in this Halloween age duo.
21:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Stupid title.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's that title it makes Halloween water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we even do in here?
21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the twentieth anniversary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So age twenty.
21:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was calling it.
21:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I was calling it age twenty and somebody had to point out no it's supposed to be age two oh I said that can't be right that's dumb.
21:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
21:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I know.
21:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Halloween water.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll say this.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in a vacuum, Halloween, H-T-O-O.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Has a great ending actually.
21:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the last act is fucking great.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really rock solid.
21:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, hell, the restoration just pisses it down the way.
21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a bad movie.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: My point is this.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It started to really win.
21:48
[SPEAKER_01]: By the time we got to the third, I know it should have been the last summer, which is no joke.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But if that wasn't sex, it was a straight to video film.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll always know what you did last summer, which I've seen that movie once and I admit that my memory of it is a little hazy because it's not good.
22:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love it for this.
22:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know how like the Friday the thirteenth movie's term supernatural like the sixth film?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like officially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll always tell you that summer turned supernatural and said that the fisherman with the hook is actually like the living embodiment of knowing what you did last summer.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: like that's like specifically my god that's what it does it knows what you did specifically last summer and if you did some bad last summer you're fucked and I'm like if two summers have passed or you're off the hook I did I'm a little hazy on it but I remember watching him like
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is, and I'm like, holy shit, I wish the movie were more fun, so I can tell you to see it.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's just not very good.
22:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But the, the, the, the, the moxie they had to try to make that a thing.
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: God bless them.
23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, so like we've had all of these sequels and recalls Halloween came back, screen came back.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It was only matter of time.
23:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the, I know to the last summer TV series, which we covered on cancel too soon.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what it was fun.
23:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd fun with it.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I got a weird, like unnecessarily weird.
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not sure how.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he, honey, resurrects you or something.
23:24
[SPEAKER_00]: There was all this weird.
23:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was a series.
23:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It was only eight episodes, but we have to stretch this premise into eight episodes.
23:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we got a whole series.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Double crossings and double backs.
23:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And it did fall into that unfortunate trope of like the devious bisexuals.
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, it turns out, oh, it was the queer weird.
23:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course it was.
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not bad, I didn't do it.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not terribly fun.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no we have a proper one.
23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And this one that actually comes from the creator of one of the best cancel to soon shows we ever covered.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: John Cloud van Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that that is a good one.
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's on the next freelance police.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It comes from the creator of sweet vicious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love sweet vicious.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, boy, boy with that move.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually a lot of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Watch sweet vicious know that the first two episodes are rough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they're well the set up this premise.
24:15
[SPEAKER_00]: By the time it gets to the third episode, it's like, okay, like some smart things going on in that show.
24:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the the premise is sweet
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's two girls in college and they have some really terrible experiences and they decide to become vigilantes beating the living shit out of every guy on campus who touches a girl that can send.
24:39
[SPEAKER_01]: all of the, all, how that spirals add a control into essentially creepy.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You think it's super cute, or you're the first.
24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have a pretty much lesson for it.
24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It was way ahead of its time.
24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a good show.
24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember it wasn't until like the day I saw this new, I know it's the last summer that I found out that it was directed, I think, co-written by Jennifer Kate and Robinson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought to myself, maybe this will be good.
25:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And the movie that we got.
25:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be perfectly frank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You love it.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of love it.
25:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
25:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a movie that I think plays with our idea of what a good slasher movie is.
25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think some people want their slasher movie.
25:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird way to say it's bad.
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think it is bad.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't.
25:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, Jennifer King Robinson actually understands.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: that there are like the slash movies that we take super seriously Halloween the other Halloween the other Halloween screen like we these movies that we really get emotionally invested in and then there are slash movies that are
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: a ridiculous, but we love those too.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she's playing in both realms.
25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's a good enough writer that she can make characters who are interesting enough, like they're distinct, and I enjoy watching them.
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, they're kind of shit, and I want them to die.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is an delicate balance.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the thing about these, I know she had less summer movies.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: The characters have to be the type of people who would do a terrible fucking thing.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they have to be morally empty enough.
26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure some are some irresponsible in some way.
26:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think and they're wealthy, which is a big part of, at least some of them are yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this filmmaker understands that
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That means fuck these people.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, seriously, we can make fun of them.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We can try them into walk-in jokes.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll write them effectively enough that they have some shading so that they have interesting relationships and that we can be amused by watching them, but also, seriously, most of them deserve to die by Karmick's slash movie standards.
26:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she's playing with that, and I think
27:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tricky wobbly balance, but I think she navigates it.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is half, I think if you think of this movie as a bad movie, but you laughed at it and had a good time, the movie did its job.
27:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you think of this movie as a good movie with a lot of goofy stuff, you can't take seriously.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the movie also did its job.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: What even is a good movie anyway?
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a question I asked myself a lot.
27:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this.
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: The the the magic of a slasher movie is They they played a two parts of you.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They played with the parts of you that are very afraid and our afraid of being stalked and killed Your heart goes out to the victims who are very frightened and you're supposed to be frightened with them.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, some of them definitely don't deserve it.
27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It also appeals to that part of you that really wants to see their guts
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ripped apart from a meathook or a cherry picking hook that you find tool shed.
27:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Some, like some got a tool, you want to seem get stabbed and if it's rated in a creative fun way and you can cheer when they die.
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost every slash member, they're exceptions to this, but almost every slash member has at least one person who sucks so much that the audience is just like, could someone please just kill that guy, which is
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: twisted thing to make the audience think if you really want to look at it like it really takes stock of what that means about us, but I think these movies understand that.
28:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there are bad slasher movies like not very well made, not very well written, not very well shot that are completely enjoyable and engaging because they get that.
28:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that there are slasher movies that attempt to be classy
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: that maybe make you care about the characters, but they totally whiff the slasher part.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I can think of that really disappointing remake of prom night with like Idris Elba.
28:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, they tried to like, we're gonna make it a little bit more tricky.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no, there's no thrills in this.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You forgot to make it fun.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So the still one, it's going to be very similar premise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually five of them this time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Five of them this time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of rich ones who are getting married.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's four really interesting characters and one block of wood.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: What one of the male leads like this is just like such a non entity Yeah, he's he's just like he might as well just have red herring paint about his forehead because like that's all he's got that's Is he that's a Milo the guy by Jonah Howard Kang is the actor's name.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no slight to him.
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the script just gives him nothing to do.
29:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He may be he's a good actor.
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell from this.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a great moment in this movie like a great moment in this movie
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: where that character.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And I won't tell you whether or not he did it or not.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a person that plays with your, I think this is a moment where it will be shows a tan and that it's being very playful on purpose.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets in a car all by himself.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And he looks in the review mirror.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, why don't I even do it?
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Should I even be doing this?
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's looking, he's looking at someone in the back seat, right?
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:03
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's just talking about his relationship.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he audience thinks, oh, this is their killer reveal.
30:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Like no.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: That's adorable.
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That's such a cute playful bit.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So, they end the car.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all been drinking.
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Except for this one who used to be in the group and now she's on the outs.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's actually trying to get sober and everything.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So, they're all hanging out.
30:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They're watching for Sarah Pigeon.
30:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I love her.
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know actually.
30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's great in this.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's the real breakout star of the podcast.
30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they're all just like it's worth it to live looking at the fireworks are standing on a highway kind of a dead man's curve kind of thing and one of the rich guys is drunk and he's just kind of like say that I could never die and he's just like standing in the street a car serves to miss him
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: hangs over the side of a cliff.
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say this to these kids credit.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They try to save them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they can't, they follow over a cliff.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, oh no, what do we do?
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to get down there.
31:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a cliff.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we should call the cops.
31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And one guy's like, yeah, no, I called the cops.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool.
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: They told us the small town they know when we can go home.
31:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they leave, and he says, yeah, I didn't call the cops.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I, that's not a thing.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm rich.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My dad is like gentrifying this whole town.
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And he can't afford this big scandal.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to cover all this up.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't do anything wrong.
31:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as cut and dry I think morally as the first film where they definitely fucked up.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Like really bad.
31:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they actually like they actually killed a guy.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like here I honestly think that if they just stayed there and explained to the cops and that guy had been like, listen, I'm very rich.
31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably slap on the wrist.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
31:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly like, yeah, you guys clearly didn't mean for that to happen.
31:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You were saying those road, which is bad, but the worst thing is saying those road is the richest person here who owns the police department that's a huge plot point.
32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: you're not going to get in that much trouble like this would have been fine so they're they're turning it into something that it's not means they meaning they deserve it even more you're later they reunite they get these I know to the last summer things and the I know to the last summer killer rain slicker hook is back he's killing everybody but he's killing everybody's like friends and family he's not killing them yet
32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some brutal kills in this.
32:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's good ones.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, um, so the, the lead character, I guess the, I guess the general of Hugh at analogue kind of though.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is played by Chase Sui Wonders, who is from the studio, which is really fantastic series.
32:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I hear that's Apple TV.
32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I hear that's good.
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It got all the Emmy nominations, sometimes an every category.
32:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, well, not as many as severance, severance really clean up.
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the Emmy nominations for I think for best guest actor, like guest star,
32:58
[SPEAKER_01]: like all but one of the nominees is the studio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is like, dude, they can't watch out.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Any other shows?
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: They got big stars for the studio.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's, he's, he's got spots.
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Get Martin Scorsese that Emmy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He played it himself.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The joke in, he's in the first episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Martin Scorsese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the joke is a Seth Rogan plays the head of this legacy movie studio who believes in cinema.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But because it's a business, he has to produce junk like that's been the mandate from his own bosses.
33:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have purchased the film rights to coolate.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the joke of the series.
33:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that it?
33:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the making of coolate or like the story of the coolade man?
33:43
[SPEAKER_00]: The story of the coolade man.
33:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Like an animated film starring the coolade man.
33:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And how are they going to get art out of that?
33:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And in order to get funding for this coolade movie,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They he also takes a meeting with Martin Scorsese because of course he does because he really admires Martin Scorsese and he says Martin Scorsese he comes in sits down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It says this is gonna be my final picture.
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Jones town movie and he's like, well, yeah, I'm gonna make your Jones town movie.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's gonna be expensive.
34:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be like two hundred and eighty millions.
34:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Like whatever your Martin Scorsese, I'll give you whatever you need.
34:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Could you call it crew late?
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And Martin Scorsese says
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was going to call it Jones town.
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you call it cool?
34:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if that's the compromise, if I can get this final movie made, yes, and then he buys it and then he has to kill it so he can make the commercial version of cool.
34:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He buys Martin's crazy script just to bury it so he can keep the commercial project on track.
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: because they have the same title.
34:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And the last scene is Martin Scorsesey like breaking down crying because his like final child is just murdered in front of him and Seth Rogan is plays this guy's love cinema has to walk away from that.
34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like by Martin Scorsesey.
34:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I killed your last project.
34:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember?
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, he's got an Emmy nomination because it's actually a pretty fun part.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: We're off in the weeks, but did you ever see that Albert Brooks movie The Mews?
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
35:03
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, I'm gonna remake raging bull, but this time he's a really thin guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really thin.
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, you can see it, right?
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think people start getting killed by the cocaine guy.
35:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually they realized, oh wait, we're in the exact same town where this shit happened before.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no record out of it.
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's because they, they wanted to keep the, they wanted to gentrify the town.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're true now.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: They're keeping the murderous secret.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a great supporting character.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's best character in the whole movie.
35:45
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a true crime podcaster and she's in town to talk about the anniversary of the murders or whatever and how the whole town covered it up.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: She coins a great word.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Gentrifice selection.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Gentrifice selection.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And you were there, I applauded.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the only one, but I recognize greatness when I see it.
36:05
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a shout out in the script to play disgusting, which I appreciate.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Evidently, if you look really closely at that podcasters map sack, just patches all over it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the patches is for it.
36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It ends at prom.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: This ends at prom, which is a podcast run by B.J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Harmony Collangelo.
36:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not.
36:25
[SPEAKER_00]: B.J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is actually a coworker of mine.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, DJ is great.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Harmony is great.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They wrote a great book about a sleepboy camp.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: If you'll slash it, you have to read it.
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.
36:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been on an episode of this and this ends up from, it is a great podcast about basically looking back at movies, about teen years, mostly about girls, like through that sentence, which most critics, not unlike Slashers, kind of overlook and kind of disregard and looking at them with serious critical lens.
36:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Great podcast truly great podcast, but there's a cute reference in the script to Nicole Kidman's MC ad.
37:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's somebody says should we come to this place for magic?
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
37:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But at some point they realize, oh wait, this has happened before, we need to find Julie James, the character of the Jennifer love he would play.
37:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And ask her for advice, because the police are no help, they just want to go for this.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've already also seen that Freddie Brandt's junior is still in this town.
37:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
37:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I've seen this before you guys, like, and he's actually like this generous guy owns a bar now.
37:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
37:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, one of the characters works for him.
37:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like really kind of pulled her out of a funk earlier in her life, because she's going through some tough times.
37:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So they go see Jennifer love you and I love Jennifer love you it because like we see her and it's like turns out she's got like I can't remember if she was I they might have mentioned that she was majoring in psychology and the previous movies and which was in college I don't know where which was majoring but now she's like teaching psychology and nearby college and her whole thing is like post-traumatic stress It's pretty fucking weird no one really knows how it works
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, five, which was a big part of the later scream sequels as well.
38:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And then happened to Sidney Prescott as well.
38:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And then was part of the venue until the summer, like she was more than anyone.
38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she was completely shattered by this horrible event in her life and when you're latering out.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So they go to talk to her and say, hey, what should we do?
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, you should do the plot of the first movie.
38:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's not even good advice.
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, you should investigate this all on your own.
38:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, you should leave fucking town.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you should get the fuck away.
38:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You should do everything you fucking get split up for fucks sake.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: What if you go to New York?
38:35
[SPEAKER_01]: What if you go to Gwala Lumpur?
38:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking know.
38:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Get the fuck outta here.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, terrible advice.
38:41
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't go full Jamie Lee Curtis on like, go hunting.
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's kind of mostly a camera.
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't begin at the end.
38:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
38:52
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one scene in this moment.
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this fucking, that's so fucking wonderful.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fucking wonderfully entertainingly absurd.
38:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It's absurd.
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's dumb.
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't really, it's not scary.
39:02
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not very scary.
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really the couple jumps.
39:05
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not really going for horror.
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the chases in the stabbing are really wrote.
39:09
[SPEAKER_00]: The gore is not all that spectacular.
39:11
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of gore lines, but not really.
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And the character seemed pretty unfazed by a lot of the murderers.
39:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the character, not the chase, I like the chase who he wonders character just fine.
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was the her best friend character.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's the beauty queen.
39:27
[SPEAKER_00]: She's really hilarious.
39:28
[SPEAKER_01]: She's really funny.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of it, like, she's just like, how are you?
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, how did you stick his Xanx?
39:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's hilarious, right?
39:35
[SPEAKER_00]: What I bought is she was bringing a lot of chemistry with the other characters, like she was really selling the fact that these people did have a friendship.
39:44
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the male leads the kind of the Chen and Tatum looking guy.
39:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the buff dude.
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He was pretty funny too.
39:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's funny.
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's funny.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the beauty queen character used to date and then they broke up.
39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So he kind of bought that they had like a little bit of an attraction still even though they resented each like and I feel like I'm the the actress her name is
40:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Madeline Kahn.
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's really good.
40:08
[SPEAKER_00]: She brought all of that to the park and also made it very funny.
40:11
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like a sitcom character and and because of her lighthearted approach to everything Everyone else is like sort of trying to match her energy Yeah, which means the movie starts to come across as a comedy.
40:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a comedy.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it is a comedy.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think that we've definitely I honestly think I because I was thinking about this and I I remember if I actually described this way in my review I didn't know if it'd be controversial or not
40:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, this is a horror comedy.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, I think the jokes this movie are intentional.
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a silly film of course.
40:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a horror movie that got a little out of hand.
40:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the filmmakers set out to make it.
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of light and fun.
40:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think that you don't think that they thought change for selection was funny.
40:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they did.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of stuff in this movie that you would be hard pressed to justify how an intelligent filmmaker, and this is an intelligent filmmaker.
41:04
[SPEAKER_01]: would be oblivious to the fact that it's funny.
41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time buying that.
41:09
[SPEAKER_01]: If it was one scene maybe, it's throughout the whole film.
41:12
[SPEAKER_01]: The film is funny.
41:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this film understands that I know to last summer
41:19
[SPEAKER_01]: is kind of a thin premise for a franchise, right?
41:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But one movie sure, you keep doing it.
41:25
[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, this is just absurd.
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she understands that.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she gets a lot of mileage out of the fact that characters that you may be familiar with, like by actors, you have affection for because they were at all of the movies you saw on the U.R.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: teenager or in the movie.
41:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You can build on that.
41:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a little bit of rooting interest.
41:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But again,
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: These have to be the kind of characters who would do something not only immoral, but profoundly stupid.
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: In order for the plot to work, so she leans into that.
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there were creative decisions made throughout the movie that are just hilarious.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a scene in the movie where all of it like, oh, well, I'll stick together.
42:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's gonna die.
42:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the chanting Tatum dude.
42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just like, yeah, I'm just gonna go by myself to the gym just in case I have to beat the shit out of this guy.
42:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what?
42:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's really hard with that because I felt like really like there are there are some things that are like enjoyably absurd that are clearly mistakes like the this character Let me look at the actors name because he deserves some credit because I think he's actually quite well.
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, yeah
42:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Not Jenna Howard King, I was the other guy.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Ty Reak withers.
42:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I'm going to go to the gym to hang out with this guy.
42:41
[SPEAKER_00]: We cut to the gym and he's going to the steam room in his towel.
42:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
42:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure thing.
42:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Little bit of eye candy.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with it.
42:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't I I'm happy to find the dude not the lady's great good for you.
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't we we objectify everybody.
42:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's something it nails is that this is a very attractive cast.
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, which the original movie was as well very we're just going to get these really hot young actors
43:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This young guy goes into the steam room and here's the big shocker.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes into the steam room.
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: This steam fogs up the window and it says your next written on the window or something like this.
43:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Or yes, somebody is watching him go to the steam room.
43:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly.
43:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So terrifying.
43:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You think this would lead to him looking around in the gym.
43:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how all.
43:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going on some of the steam and no one can see him.
43:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.
43:26
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
43:27
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a hard cut to another scene.
43:29
[SPEAKER_00]: When we catch up with this guy, he's already back home.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's just like sitting at his home drinking a beer.
43:36
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not intentional.
43:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's funny.
43:38
[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying my theory is this.
43:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a theory that there's something that happened shortly after that scene that I'm imagining in my head a test audience having a question.
43:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a smart question, but a question like, hey, how that happened?
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the studio is like, we need to add, we can only get this one actor from the film.
44:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But we can put this in there.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: We can add that into justified.
44:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't picture in the director going, all right.
44:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I am not taking that scene seriously.
44:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to use one of the worst lines of ADR.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: You've ever heard in order to make it work.
44:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do feel like there's a certain amount of wit into how bad that scene is.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe at the age anniversary.
44:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe at the age anniversary.
44:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I was right about something.
44:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were really entertained by that scene, that's legit.
44:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
44:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to be entertained by a film's badness, so long as you... preclude that in your review.
44:34
[SPEAKER_00]: There have been plenty of films I've seen that are just utterly awful, but I'm still very entertained by it.
44:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that.
44:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's so much in this movie that feels like an intentional, like, not literally, but like looking at the camera going, I know what I'm doing.
44:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That I'm willing to believe.
44:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That even if that was a studio and even if that wasn't saying that they didn't believe in that they were trying to make the most of it I'm willing to believe that now I've been I could be wrong, but I've been right over this kind of thing before and I've got a pretty good sense that like even if that was some bullshit reshoot
45:08
[SPEAKER_01]: They made it funny because it's bullshit.
45:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the scene makes no sense.
45:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need this scene.
45:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're gonna call our shot.
45:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We're pointing.
45:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they bruised pointing it to the end of the slash movie.
45:18
[SPEAKER_01]: This will be pointless.
45:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And by God I was right.
45:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it does take place in a fishing village.
45:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be full of red herrings.
45:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey!
45:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, the movie is not terribly intelligent.
45:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's by designer or not, it doesn't necessarily make it entertaining.
45:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's lightly entertaining.
45:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It's light and giggle worthy whether you're laughing with it or at it.
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to depend on what kind of vibe you're looking for.
45:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have much of this vibe to beforehand.
45:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's splitting hair, so I think either way you're laughing and it's kind of moving that it's okay to laugh with or at.
45:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just a dumb flick.
45:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, the cast is game.
45:59
[SPEAKER_00]: They're bringing a lot of energy to it.
46:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked the characters a lot, but the script is so stupid.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: and the premise is so stretched and strained.
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: The actual theme is once they start narrowing and on stuff doesn't make any sense.
46:12
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, there are themes or things like disaster.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's totally disgusting.
46:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the big reveal and this is where the big secrets that we're like lurking at this movie, the whole time it's like, is that me?
46:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But that didn't make a way from that.
46:24
[SPEAKER_00]: That didn't connect to anything we were going to before.
46:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I do appreciate that there are two characters who are just incidentally bisexual in them.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And they actually like,
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Never make it a thing.
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like you're gonna go up point.
46:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not a plot point at all.
46:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that that's just sort of late in there and sit.
46:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there's just enough and really for me to hang on to.
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not scary enough.
46:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not funny enough.
46:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel that it has a few charming elements.
46:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it saves it for being a disaster.
46:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more than a few.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I was termed throughout.
46:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I'm gonna say.
46:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a classic example.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: of a movie that, you know, maybe you're like me and you're willing to give them a lot of credit and say that a lot of the kids does by design.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not.
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think this is going to be a situation where a lot of people are not giving this movie good reviews.
47:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're right.
47:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is going to be one of the situations where a year or two from now, people are going to watch it because it'll be on streaming and they'll go, well, that was fun.
47:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And they'll be right.
47:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is one of the whose reputation is at the very least.
47:33
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the second best I know which of the new did last summer.
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's fair.
47:36
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a local ranch.
47:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a local ranch.
47:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it is a comfortable number, too.
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I would rather watch this again than the original.
47:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like the original.
47:45
[SPEAKER_01]: The original is okay as well.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: The original is fine.
47:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a three-star thriller.
47:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's perfectly valid.
47:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But I had so much fun watching this.
47:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this.
47:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a little bit of nostalgia for me personally.
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what you did last summer was the very first film I reviewed in print.
48:00
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
48:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That was like classic.
48:01
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Link Placid was the first I reviewed for a like a professional city newspaper.
48:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so I was ninety nine.
48:07
[SPEAKER_00]: That was for the Santa Monica mirror, which is still insurculating.
48:10
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very cool.
48:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You should reapply.
48:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a sea star after that.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been on hiatus.
48:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually never left.
48:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been twenty six years, but you know, man, I have another review.
48:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on hiatus.
48:22
[SPEAKER_00]: No, for my college newspaper, the Puget Sound Trail, I was, I applied to be the film critic.
48:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said,
48:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, go for it.
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: We got no film credit and they let me go hogbile.
48:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I wrote these really long reviews.
48:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They just printed in the entire page.
48:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I would go off on these weird tangents.
48:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a shitty writer and they just let me be a shitty writer because I was eighteen years old.
48:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that was the first one that they published was a sequel to.
48:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a review of I know what you did last summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I called it out.
48:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this is a screen knockoff.
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first one.
48:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You were not right.
48:54
[SPEAKER_00]: That was eighteen years old.
48:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I was the right in the target demo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
48:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And I recognized it was gone.
48:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think even the people who liked that movie at the time knew.
49:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think everyone was like wait a minute.
49:06
[SPEAKER_01]: There was some subtle similarities to screen.
49:09
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we knew.
49:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the kind of the charm of those post-screen slashes is that they were very
49:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were some of them were literally self-aware and very meta, but they were all kind of shameless.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And that happens all the time.
49:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Saw a successful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a whole bunch of shameless torture movies.
49:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, paranormal activities successful.
49:28
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a whole bunch of shameless found footage movies.
49:31
[SPEAKER_01]: The ring was successful.
49:32
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll take literally any movie that was made on the other side of the Pacific.
49:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's in the horror genre.
49:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll remake it in America as fast as possible and hugely quite badly.
49:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's no disguising it.
49:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess yeah, we're doing it again.
49:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know Halloween spawn scream and that spawned in turn.
49:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you'd let some are all over again, except now they're Requels or like a sequel.
50:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's another one of those sequels that has the same titles the original.
50:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Same with screams.
50:03
[SPEAKER_00]: They're with candy man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been doing it a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been called candy man candy man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we can sort of keep going as the sequels move on.
50:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think would have been better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They should have called that one candy man legacy because that's kind of what it was about.
50:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we should veto legacy like this is a little bit over you.
50:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Legacy is overused rebirth is quite bad.
50:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna get it.
50:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna get it.
50:26
[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody rises don't get it.
50:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Resurrection resurrected.
50:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything a resident evil movie has done has been vetoed.
50:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It was John Wick was parabella.
50:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I got there no other movies.
50:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that's the only chapter with a title.
50:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always wanted to go into a bookstore and just pick and find chapter three of every book and just write Parabellum.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Little women, chapter three, Barry Bell.
50:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We should move on.
50:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw some movies and I didn't.
50:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me about Ari Aster's Eddington.
50:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Eddington, okay.
50:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So Ari Aster is back with a new film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a fan of Ari Aster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ari Aster deals with misery and panic and anxiety better than a lot of filmmakers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly more directly than a lot of filmmakers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hereditary was about sort of not just familial angst and the rot that is growing the unadressed rot, or I guess is a dressed rot that's growing between family members, but also like stains from their past as well.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, you know, I think it's also a lot about sort of intergenerational mental health issues as well.
51:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, here's the thing, both hereditary and midsemar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: are very derivative of other similar horror movies.
51:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that make him bad?
51:45
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
51:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But, that's a little distracting.
51:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it made some are in particular.
51:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, I saw the Wicker Man too.
51:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I already, I got it.
51:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I think both of those movies are very confrontational emotional movies.
51:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when we talk about, I don't think it's invalid by any French.
52:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's perfectly valid.
52:04
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it became kind of a buzzword to say that your horror movie is about trauma.
52:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of them are, but I think Ariaster's films were more naked about it.
52:16
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not just saying that because, of course, it's traumatic to be in a text exchange.
52:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking about it like, no, I'm going to make trauma of various kinds, not only a centerpiece, but the focus of my films in a way that other filmmakers
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And boy, boy, will he make you feel it?
52:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like genuinely just uncomfortable.
52:42
[SPEAKER_00]: The first few scenes of mid-Somar are unbearable.
52:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're just a little horrifying and tragic.
52:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I greatly admire his return to film school as it were when it made Bow as a friend, which is this big surrealist near three-hour epic about guilt and panic.
53:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to review that for work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have, but because I didn't have to review it, I was just listening to what people were telling me about it and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like going through that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, I don't feel like it's one of the hardest watches.
53:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is all about sort of the guilt-selling it, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about the guilt your mother gives you and how that is inescapable.
53:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about just anxiety and general and panic.
53:26
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some of the early scenes as
53:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Bo, the man character played by Joaquin Phoenix, has to take some medicine.
53:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And he takes the pill but then misreads the label and says you must take with water.
53:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And his tap is broken and he has no water in his fridge and he doesn't know what's going to happen to him if he doesn't drink water right away.
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So he starts to panic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has to go across the street to a convenience store to get water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He lives in a post-apocalyptic hellscape which is where his block is like there's literal dead bodies that haven't been removed from the middle of the street.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He runs out and there's people who run up to him and just say help me help me help me help me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's running and he's trying to get these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's panic and he's panic and he's trying to drink this water and he gets home and he gets a call and his mom might have died.
54:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like and there's people who have broken into his house like it feels like a nightmare.
54:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It ends that there's something so visceral about that kind of panic that he's able to maintain that for nearly three hours is pretty astonishing We And it all comes down to how much his mother like genuinely hates him who the identity of his actual father was There's some very surreal dumb imagery in the movie I'm not gonna tell you the identity of his father, but you won't be able to guess
54:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So he knows how to sort of push buttons.
54:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He is trying to apply that kind of philosophy in Eddington to where the world was in, twenty twenty right when COVID was hit at.
54:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, takes place in this little tiny town, Eddington, New Mexico, population two thousand, little town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're also plugged into our phones that the world has changed entirely.
55:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It's turned to capture that anxiety of, you know, the people who are starting to argue over whether or not they should mask up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Walking Phoenix plays the sheriff of the small town and he refuses to mask.
55:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like he's asmatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe in it.
55:18
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no COVID here.
55:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He feels it's not a big deal.
55:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, while the mayor of the town is played by Pedro Pascal says, yes, you should.
55:26
[SPEAKER_00]: that little conflict turns apocalyptic by the end.
55:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Walking Phoenix's wife is played by Emma Stone has fallen into sort of has fallen in with this weird guru character who's played by Austin Butler who is trying to talk up all of these conspiracy theories about child abductions and
55:48
[SPEAKER_00]: sex trafficking of children, which was kind of also rising to the top at the time.
55:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
55:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
55:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
55:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
55:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
55:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
55:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the time.
56:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd have been on the top of the
56:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be the conflict.
56:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And things start to unravel from there.
56:20
[SPEAKER_00]: All of the youths, all of the teenagers of the town, are kind of like sneaking out and getting together with their masks down and having beers.
56:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just don't really care.
56:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're also really concerned with social justice.
56:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And Ariostor seems to think that
56:35
[SPEAKER_00]: As fools who are running on anti mask campaigns and selling conspiracies are just as bad as teenagers who want to protest police violence and believe in the Black Lives Matter movement.
56:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it's South Park.
56:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's South Park.
56:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a nihilistic film.
56:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It does not have a point of view.
56:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hitting an every direction at once.
56:54
[SPEAKER_00]: and kind of heating everybody equally.
56:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So all of the kids who are like protesting black lives matter are seemed as very foolish because they're all white kids and there's no racism in their town.
57:07
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like one of them.
57:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, sure there's no racism in a town in America.
57:12
[SPEAKER_00]: The point being there hasn't been like racist police violence so they're being depicted as protesting something that doesn't exist.
57:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But it does exist.
57:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It does exist in other cities, but they're getting angry as if it's right here right now and they're attacking the three sheriffs they have in this tiny town as like potential Nazis because they saw it on social media.
57:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way they're being depict.
57:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, these
57:38
[SPEAKER_00]: The Pedro Pascal character is very principle, but there's some bad blood between he and the Joaquin Phoenix character because he had an affair with the Amastone character, on point.
57:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And that gets blown out of proportion and starts accusations of sexual assaults because start getting thrown around and everything starts getting blown out of proportion.
57:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, Antifa does get involved and
58:02
[SPEAKER_00]: They are actual people in like head to toe black outfits with sniper rifles blowing things up.
58:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, like in this box like antifa day.
58:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like that's antifa and not really nice.
58:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this.
58:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He does capture a certain kind of anxiety that we all had at the time.
58:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he needs to.
58:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I was there.
58:23
[SPEAKER_00]: We're only talking a couple of years ago.
58:25
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't like an anxiety we were feeling back in the seventies.
58:28
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that we just went through and something we're still going through because we're kind of living through the ripples of the first time.
58:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only been half a decade.
58:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And Trump is back in office.
58:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of that bullshit is back in the conversation.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He is trying to connect this idea that
58:45
[SPEAKER_00]: We never left that moment when the idea of a consensus truth left us, that we all started getting our own fractured versions of truth from our social media feeds, and how we're still living in that.
59:01
[SPEAKER_00]: In that there's at least some kind of a salient point that he's making with Eddington.
59:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But he also doesn't seem to like any people.
59:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't think anybody was in the right.
59:13
[SPEAKER_00]: We just were all wrong because we are all, I mean, just idiots.
59:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And at least in her editor and with some other victims.
59:21
[SPEAKER_00]: There are victims and also there's like a sense of either righteousness or guilt or something that you can tell is like a free floating horror in your life.
59:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we have seen the anime and he is us.
59:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, as far as I can tell, I don't like, I don't drive with the nihilism.
59:42
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I think it's an incredibly boring film after a while.
59:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell that he's not forming a point of view, that he is just sort of feeling, a general contempt for humanity in general.
59:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
59:54
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something to be said for that, but if he's going to go that far and go as far as he did in Bo as a parade, which is full of panic and contempt.
1:00:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He actually did reach kind of an operatic thing with Bo as a friend.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Here is kind of scaling it back a little bit to our everyday idiocy that we still recognize.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need a movie about it.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Close as I can figure.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is Ariastron making a film about COVID in twenty twenty five?
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is trying to put together and gel
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_00]: the way the world looks to a right wing conspiracy theorist.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a fantasy film.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that Antifa is around and they have cyber rifles and they're just people around and there's explosions.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they're afraid of.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're afraid of.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this is what the right wing kind of pictures the world has.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's something to that.
1:00:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish it had gone maybe a little bit to a further extreme, the other actually does.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something that isn't actually the focus this is.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, I'm trying to think of, I saw another movie recently that did this.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see the end, the Joshua Oppenheimer musical?
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a musical film about sort of how the rich view themselves.
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_00]: There's been, in that movie, in the end, there had been some kind of environmental cataclysm.
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_00]: The surface of the world was now unlivable.
1:01:19
[SPEAKER_00]: and the only people left survived were these wealthy people who had moved into their bunker.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Joshua Oppenheimer was trying to picture the world the way the ultra rich see it.
1:01:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be okay if there's ever any kind of environmental cataclysm.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_00]: They can bring about the end of the world these rich people.
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_00]: With their companies and their pollution and they don't care, they'll be fine because they have enough money to survive underground as long as they need to.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_00]: They bring all of their art down there and one of the conceits of that movie is the sun.
1:01:49
[SPEAKER_00]: is writing a biography of his father who is like trying to write him as this sort of innocent captain of industry when really these are the people who are responsible for ending the world.
1:02:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as powerfully interrogated as it could have been and also it's a musical which made it a little bit odd.
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's the point of that movie was to show that the ultra-rich are always going to think that they're off the hook for this.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's kind of what Eddington is doing as well.
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That the people who believe in these right-wing conspiracies are going to be proven right.
1:02:24
[SPEAKER_00]: This is all true.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to get what I want at the end of this.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe I won't, but there's going to be a kind of
1:02:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Truth to those conspiracies.
1:02:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's all.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But it conspiracy.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But it just wants us to be proven.
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but at the same time, there's also a lot of like punishment and pain and death that happens to every character in this movie.
1:02:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not exactly sure who he's trying to punish and the only conclusion I could come to is that he's punishing everyone.
1:02:51
[SPEAKER_01]: and that's not very enlightening uh... there's not a lot of uh... there's not a lot of truth he seems to be getting out with this one something that i think it's been people accused are yesterday and i actually think it's a fair observation whether you think it is a critique or a compliment uh... he attacks his audience
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, which I'm fine.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's valid, but I do understand why and sometimes I feel this way too.
1:03:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And as always, and I don't always think he, I don't always think he nails it.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But I appreciate that he's like, no, I'm going to fuck you up.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what you sign up for.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's what that's why you're here is to be Ari Astard today.
1:03:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough, at least after the first movie, we know what we're getting, you know, so there's something to be said for that.
1:03:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still an attack.
1:03:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not always going to be fun.
1:03:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's okay to be attacked.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay even to see a film from a filmmaker who has open content for their audience.
1:04:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a legit point of view.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun to watch.
1:04:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is a form of entertainment.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Being confronted, we did a whole commentary track for funny games.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, which is a film that very much puts the audience on the spot.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to listen to that, that's on the Mid-Michael Hanukkah box set from umbrella.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
1:04:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Ordered from umbrella entertainment.
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_00]: We're on that.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_00]: We both have essays in the booklet that comes with that box.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:04:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote one for funny games.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You were one for White Ribbon for the White Ribbon.
1:04:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have commentary tracks on both funny games and caching.
1:04:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
1:04:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
1:04:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And we recorded those under some very extreme circumstances.
1:04:40
[SPEAKER_01]: When we recorded it was a cashier, we were in the Radius Department.
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a motel.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a motel.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a motel.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a terrible motel where you know a drug deal went down earlier today.
1:04:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was really bad because it was shortly after the fires and I'd been, you know, like my
1:04:58
[SPEAKER_01]: family staying over right in a place to go or sleep.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We definitely didn't have a place to record.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_01]: We recorded in half the hotels in Los Angeles.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if we, if I had pushed you around a human finger under the bed, it would be suicide for us.
1:05:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like before rooms where you push up, push over the mattress and there's just a dead body under the mattress, like mummified, like that wouldn't have shot.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been like, yeah, that's what I expected.
1:05:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully not gonna take that out of my security closet.
1:05:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Could I get another room?
1:05:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:05:33
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
1:05:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you have to turn down serve as the least than we did.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a continental breakfast?
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, there was no breakfast.
1:05:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have eaten.
1:05:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the slice without so much ratinet.
1:05:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Or more.
1:05:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Just some weather.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not enough.
1:05:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we should move on.
1:05:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So Eddington, not today.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not great.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little little disappointed with Eddington because I
1:05:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I have faith that a filmmaker like Harry Astor can really dig into the panic that the world was feeling as it was shutting down from co-fact.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And that weird state of mind everyone was in where we were all getting our news from different sources.
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's actually multiple shots throughout Eddington of people thumbing through their own social media feeds, and you'll note that each person is different.
1:06:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, depending on who they're following and what the character is and what they believe, whatever they believe in, their social media feed is sort of feeding that back to them.
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is the way that works.
1:06:34
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a point to be made of that.
1:06:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like he is capturing a lot of that panic, something that we are trying to put behind us in a lot of ways.
1:06:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's trying to say, no, this is actually still where we are.
1:06:44
[SPEAKER_00]: All of that's valid.
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wish he had a little bit more to say with everything else in this two hour and thirty-five minute movie that he's kind of dragging us through.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of feels like you can make that point in a couple of sentences.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Or tell a story with that a different story with that as a backdrop rather than have that be the entire movie.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, little disappointing.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, well, next up, we have a documentary about Jane Mansfield.
1:07:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me a little about my and mom Jane.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this one came out in a couple of weeks ago and like late June.
1:07:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It's documentary film from HBO.
1:07:23
[SPEAKER_00]: HBO does has famously backed a lot of documentaries.
1:07:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you see HBO documentary, probably in for a good one.
1:07:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Merchgahergate, Emmy Winning Actress, star of all, five hundred and twenty seasons of long-order SVU.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It really has been a long time.
1:07:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time.
1:07:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's on, I think, twenty-seven seasons of SVU.
1:07:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's played a detective of Olivia Benson on all of them.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... it could get you can get it christmal and you left to come back she stayed with she's been on a three-in-time i i admire i admire the dedication and she's also very good actor she's an actress i i don't watch that show very much i feel like it's the same episode over and over a lot of the time but she's really good man i'm not sure if you've heard the mayors but uh... where's your heart you take his father making her get a bodybuilder yeah and uh... ex-husband of jane man's field
1:08:18
[SPEAKER_00]: She was raised by Mickey Harty and Jay Mansfield.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Something I didn't know that I learned from this documentary.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Mansfield's kids were all in the back seat of the car when she died.
1:08:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not.
1:08:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Massfields died in a car wreck when she was in her mid-thirties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really bad.
1:08:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Really bad.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Really bad.
1:08:36
[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at the pictures, like it's scary.
1:08:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:08:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:08:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a detail that was filled in.
1:08:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Her kids were in the backseat.
1:08:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Mershka Hergate was three.
1:08:46
[SPEAKER_00]: She was in the car.
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_00]: She was knocked out and left under the front seat of the car when everybody else left.
1:08:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of her brothers woke up in the car like in the ambulance going to the hospital and said, where's Maria?
1:09:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Mirishka.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, Oh, shit, we forgot.
1:09:03
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't look for it.
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We went back and she was alcohol underneath the sink.
1:09:08
[SPEAKER_00]: God, they've gone, God.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she was only three years old, Mirishka Hargitay doesn't have very many memories of her mother.
1:09:15
[SPEAKER_00]: She remembers growing up with her father, Mickey Hargitay, and his second wife.
1:09:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of her, her stepmother was her mom.
1:09:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of people might know the name Jane Mansfield, but probably don't know her word.
1:09:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:09:27
[SPEAKER_01]: She was an on-genoo, honestly, in the fifty.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Fifty's in sixty.
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_00]: She got started really young.
1:09:32
[SPEAKER_00]: She had her first child when she was sixteen, and that's when she got into the film business.
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:37
[SPEAKER_00]: She's very pretty.
1:09:38
[SPEAKER_00]: They decided one of her agents decided to bleach her hair blonde.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_00]: She took the name of her first husband, Mansfield.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Got divorced from him.
1:09:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Had a daughter with him, got divorced, met Mickey Hartgate, and had three kids with him.
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_00]: got divorced, had another kid with, she had five kids with four fathers.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess her most famous movie is probably Will Success Boyle Rock Hunter.
1:10:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which she actually originated that role on Broadway and was very acclaimed.
1:10:06
[SPEAKER_00]: She's so gorgeous though, and she had statuesque figure.
1:10:11
[SPEAKER_00]: that she was only able to sort of get these, quote, dumb blonde roles.
1:10:15
[SPEAKER_00]: She played a lot of dicksy characters.
1:10:17
[SPEAKER_01]: She was very much in the Marilyn Monroe kind of had a vein.
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people were trying to capitalize on the popularity of the types of roles Marilyn Monroe played.
1:10:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she was doing that.
1:10:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And they knew about each other.
1:10:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They were friends.
1:10:31
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a very different degree.
1:10:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Very different degree.
1:10:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
1:10:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, she was known for playing these casserole sex pot rolls, and she did a lot of modeling, and she was on Jews and Playboy, she did some nude modeling as well.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We get her on camera, and she clearly wanted to do so much more, Jane Mansfield.
1:10:52
[SPEAKER_00]: She would like play the piano and play the violin and say, you know, I am an actress.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I can do more than just these rolls, but she also said, you know, what is it, what about all this modeling you can do?
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, well, I do the modeling, but that's like,
1:11:06
[SPEAKER_00]: a part I'm playing like this Jane Mansfield's role in my publicists are coming up with and I'd rather be able to do these other roles but and she'd even say this out loud and interviews but you know the sex pomerls are what payin the bills on those roles I'm taking and she felt really trapped by that.
1:11:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Marish Kihargi Tay would watch old Jane Mansfield's not just roles but also interviews and she had that voice
1:11:28
[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of baby voice, the sexy baby voice that you might have heard about, where she kind of makes herself sound a little bit more vulnerable and sexy for the voice, and this kind of like, flirty voice.
1:11:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mershka Hergate hated that.
1:11:41
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't like that, that her mom felt that need to put on this voice.
1:11:44
[SPEAKER_00]: They show a clip from Jack Parr, and I hate Jack Parr now, because she's doing the same thing.
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: She's saying, well, yeah, I was doing these sex bomb roles, but look, I can play the violin.
1:11:55
[SPEAKER_00]: She actually starts playing the violin for him.
1:11:57
[SPEAKER_00]: and he keeps on like bringing up her body and like sex bomb rolls and while she's in the middle of her her violin solo jackpard just leans in and says kiss me it's like fuck off jackpard yeah I actually also hate jackpard yeah like he just does this really sexist thing which he man's filled like he's she's trying to say I'm more than right now to praise say and he's trying to kind of roll in with her persona but
1:12:21
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's where she found herself.
1:12:23
[SPEAKER_00]: She had this persona.
1:12:23
[SPEAKER_00]: She also had horrible taste in men.
1:12:26
[SPEAKER_00]: She had more than one husband or boyfriend that she had to run away from because they were abusive.
1:12:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And the kids were sort of moved around from house to house.
1:12:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They had this big mansion.
1:12:37
[SPEAKER_00]: on sunset Boulevard at the beginning of the movie get to see it being demolished.
1:12:41
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this running objects where Jane Mansfield actually had a piano.
1:12:46
[SPEAKER_00]: She could play the piano that she decorated herself.
1:12:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She painted cherubs on it and she had to move out of that sunset house.
1:12:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They sold it because they were
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Struck for cash at the time.
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_00]: This was after Jane Mansfield had died.
1:12:59
[SPEAKER_00]: A decade later that house was finally bought by Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and the piano was there and Engelberg Humverdink kept the piano.
1:13:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you, Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Engelberg Humverdink kept the piano.
1:13:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you, Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Engelberg Humverdink kept the piano.
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you, Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Engelberg Humverdink kept the piano.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you, Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Engelberg Humverdink kept the piano.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you, Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Engelberg Humverdink kept the piano.
1:13:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you, Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Engelberg Humverdink kept the piano.
1:13:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you, Engelberg Humverdink.
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Engelberg Humver
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually sort of a running thing through this documentary as well.
1:13:17
[SPEAKER_00]: She finally goes into a warehouse of Jane Mansfield's things that none of the family had thought to go through.
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys.
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just all this old leftover stuff and I was like, play bills and posters and autographs, all this stuff that I remember Billy collectors.
1:13:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... there comes there comes a part later in the movie and mishka hargitae uh... was she direct this or she directed about she's in it she directed it she got all her siblings together and interview them okay uh... she talks about the memories that they all sort of shared or shared together uh... sort of uh... memories of the fathers and the you know step-fathers that were in their lives
1:13:51
[SPEAKER_00]: and also of her own father, Mickey Hergate.
1:13:56
[SPEAKER_00]: She found this out when she was twenty-five and kept it secret until kind of recently.
1:13:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And the news broke and we knew kind of new, this was public before this film came out.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_00]: She went to a memorabilia collectors event.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Mansfield fans.
1:14:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like hey, we have Jane Mansfield's daughter.
1:14:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Which guy are you taking?
1:14:14
[SPEAKER_00]: She's here.
1:14:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she's still in her twenties.
1:14:16
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not like a big success on law and order.
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's been a said.
1:14:19
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a while ago.
1:14:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So this was a while ago.
1:14:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:14:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, hey, um, would you like to see pictures of Norman Capalli?
1:14:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, who's Norman Capalli?
1:14:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And this memorabilia collector looks at her and says, okay.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Hang on.
1:14:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to show you a picture, but talk to the family.
1:14:39
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a period in Jane Mansfield's life when she and Mickey Hargitay were having a bit of a rough go of it.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She had just discovered this Italian singer and decided to yell a vent around Europe with this guy.
1:14:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
1:14:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He found out she was pregnant when they were somewhere in Germany.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_00]: She went back home pregnant with this other man's child, moved back in with Mickey Hargitay.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_00]: and making her get a raised marriage guy.
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how she found out that her real, or Nelson Sardelli is this guy's name?
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sorry.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I wasn't in wrong.
1:15:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Nelson Sardelli, this Italian singer that she was tooling around the West.
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_00]: She found out that her biological father was not the man who raised her.
1:15:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know that our first instinct is to think about marriage to a hard day in this moment, and of course it is.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would just like, not that this is the most important or some of that thing.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_01]: The social awkwardness
1:15:38
[SPEAKER_01]: of finding out that you've just told Marisha Harvey to her father.
1:15:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they had gotten that guy on camera because she's just telling the story.
1:15:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a curb your enthusiasm.
1:15:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like this guy's like, well, we've heard the rumors.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they all assumes that this was known among the family.
1:15:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:15:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That Mickey Hargitay might not be Marisha Hargitay's biological father.
1:16:01
[SPEAKER_00]: That it was this other guy.
1:16:02
[SPEAKER_00]: This Italian singer Nelson Sardelli and
1:16:08
[SPEAKER_00]: wasn't send and mishka hargate kind of has this moment of reckoning it's like I don't understand why didn't anybody tell me you know how how many people do how long did they know she goes and finds Nelson Sardelli he's on camera he's still alive reconnects with him learns that she has other sisters that that that her siblings were all her half siblings you know all of this but here's the thing Mickey hargate whenever he was asked
1:16:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just said, Mariska is my daughter.
1:16:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:16:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, what about this other guy?
1:16:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck off, Mariska's my daughter.
1:16:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm raising her.
1:16:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this child.
1:16:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was only ever a good father for her.
1:16:48
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really nice to hear it.
1:16:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:16:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and so, man, what a mind job.
1:16:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, this, she has had a pretty, like I said, Jane, Jane, and she'll have five kids with four different fathers at counting Nelson Sardelli.
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_00]: keeping track of her life and what she wanted as a professional and how her professional life was letting her down and how a lot of her husbands, her boyfriends were letting her down and finding all of this desperation and yet somehow still having a family, a very loving family that jell it through all of this is actually it's kind of sad but it's also very inspiring.
1:17:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask this question because it sounds fascinating.
1:17:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the overall point of the movie?
1:17:31
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can be said that the, if you boiled the movie down.
1:17:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it about Mariska Hargate and her relationship with her mother?
1:17:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what it's all about?
1:17:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is there a larger point being explored beyond?
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's about, it's about, it's about, it's about Jane Mansfield.
1:17:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about Jane Mansfield.
1:17:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about trying to explore Jane Mansfields outside of the myth.
1:17:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And we do try to demathologize or remathologize a lot of our own.
1:17:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Showbiz icons.
1:17:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Boss Lerman tried to do it with Elvis.
1:18:00
[SPEAKER_00]: There was that movie blonde that tried to turn Marilyn into this.
1:18:02
[SPEAKER_00]: We were kind of suffering.
1:18:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the stations of the cross.
1:18:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I know at least a few critics who really love it most criticated it.
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because it's so aggressively miserable.
1:18:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It gives her no agent.
1:18:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just miserable.
1:18:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I find it shameful and I'm not in terms of not in a way that relates to the person.
1:18:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:18:25
[SPEAKER_01]: This is way to the filmmaker, like, but, uh, and we'd less like it on those weeks.
1:18:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, Jane Mansfield has this sort of myth about her.
1:18:33
[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of a camp icon.
1:18:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's just a big shot.
1:18:36
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of her movies weren't that great, but she has many loves of hercules.
1:18:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:18:41
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the son of a great movie.
1:18:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was in a lot of these titillating movies, and she played these kind of broad characters.
1:18:47
[SPEAKER_00]: She was capable a lot more, but that's what shows best known for her.
1:18:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is for my actors.
1:18:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like Merchka Hergate was trying to point her out, trying to just bring the humanity to Jane Mansfield.
1:18:58
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't just a big actress who got these ditsy roles.
1:19:02
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't just a sex pod.
1:19:04
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't even just a legend.
1:19:06
[SPEAKER_00]: She was a mom.
1:19:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how does mom look?
1:19:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we've seen this a lot with a lot of documentaries, but I think Merchka Hargitay, who's a very soulful actress, who was really thoughtful about these things.
1:19:17
[SPEAKER_00]: She's sixteen now, and she was ready to kind of look back and bring a lot of humanity together.
1:19:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, it's about how Jane Mansfield was somebody who loved her kids and loved her family, because that's the only way she can really look at it.
1:19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's her mother.
1:19:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she also gets to, at the end of the movie, where she can hardly take it, it gets to hug her own kids, because she's had some kids over her own.
1:19:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's nice, that's nice.
1:19:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and it all feels like there was so much turbulence and there were so many secrets, but the fact that they finally all came out and everybody was kind of eager to welcome just to make the family larger, is kind of inspired.
1:19:56
[SPEAKER_03]: That's really sweet.
1:19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The only real dickhead in the movie,
1:20:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not even really a dickhead, because Mershka where you taste isn't this mean.
1:20:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Is Jimmy... Jack bars the dick, okay.
1:20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's just from that old clip.
1:20:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:20:11
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't get Jack par on camera.
1:20:13
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't.
1:20:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
1:20:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be a very interesting interview.
1:20:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be what we're talking about more than anything else.
1:20:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jack par, and he's like a skeleton.
1:20:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we raised the dead for this.
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_01]: This died in battery.
1:20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: We only got to do it once, so we didn't Jack par.
1:20:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
1:20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we had to use a real actress for the more visible shots on another actress.
1:20:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Another dad actress.
1:20:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, you know, her, it was her publicist in agent throughout her most of her career, who was like really kind of skillfully handling her personal life and her professional life and actually doing things really well.
1:20:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like making sure she had all of the jobs.
1:20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: She actually got a lot of money from doing like USO shows with Bob Hope.
1:20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, she was like the get pretty girl for a lot of the, um, the incrotation marks for the soldiers.
1:21:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: That was very common.
1:21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: We see what she was.
1:21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was the collegiate and this guy ended up writing this tell all book that was very personal talking about her affairs and Mishka Hargita actually asked some point blank.
1:21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you think of what the the salacious book you wrote about Jane Mansfield?
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: how that would look to her kids in her husband.
1:21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And he just says, no, I didn't think of that.
1:21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't thinking of you people.
1:21:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just so he can try to bat it or is he like, I still don't care.
1:21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he cares, but he admits right right away.
1:21:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I was writing this for my own reasons.
1:21:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't thinking about you.
1:21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like he's not sorry about it because he did it.
1:21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's kind of the moment.
1:21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, I fed into that.
1:21:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I fed into a lot of the negativity.
1:21:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did that and that's all that's all I have to say.
1:21:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it.
1:21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did it for the reasons you thought I made money from it.
1:21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all that was I sold my soul in that moment.
1:22:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can't really apologize at this point.
1:22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just, yeah, I did that.
1:22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only kind of like bleak moment other than, you know, of course, all the love of the death.
1:22:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, she also struggled with, you know, substances and alcoholism, but she wasn't like a monster, I think.
1:22:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's a wonderful job of human eyes.
1:22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you very much.
1:22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much, guys.
1:22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
1:22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's time to review our movies on the critically claimed scale.
1:22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: The scale runs from C minus to C plus C minus is below average.
1:22:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So suppose we don't recommend a C is average.
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are movies that they're okay.
1:22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And the C plus is above average.
1:22:38
[SPEAKER_01]: These are movies that we do recommend whether we think they're just fun or we think they're the best movie ever made on that note.
1:22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: My mom Jane.
1:22:46
[SPEAKER_00]: My mom Jane is a C plus.
1:22:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really moving.
1:22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
1:22:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Right here.
1:22:51
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
1:22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Editing ten.
1:22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to see plus.
1:22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to give it a low sea.
1:23:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not a total wash.
1:23:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are some interesting concepts running through this thing.
1:23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is so adolescently nihilistic that it's any truth that's getting out or kind of undercut by the end.
1:23:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it's also really visceral.
1:23:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And reminds you of a lot of what we were going through.
1:23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, um, mixed bag, glossy.
1:23:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all failure, but not, not, not succeeding.
1:23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: At last but not least, I know what you did last summer.
1:23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a seam, see minus movie.
1:23:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You can skip, I know what you did last summer for, or five, if you count the TV series.
1:23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm giving it a C plus I liked it a lot actually.
1:23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think if you're like I love the cast I think the energy is high but I think if your taste and slasher is limited to how seriously can I take this and then instead understands that slasher's
1:23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, sloppy genre.
1:23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And there, there, you have a lot of freedom to just be fucking weird because they have such limited... Well, I wanted to do this as a... I wanted to do this as a... You don't get the hashtag.
1:24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
1:24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't be weird, of course it could be weirder.
1:24:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, I think it's enjoyably weird.
1:24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is enjoyably cookie.
1:24:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's weirdness is mostly in its tone.
1:24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I admire its tone.
1:24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's doing an interesting type of walk.
1:24:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it balances the line between, yeah, I kind of care about this, to these people suck and should die.
1:24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm fine with that because those are both things I want from a slasher movie, and I don't mind that a slasher movie gave me both.
1:24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
1:24:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there is a little too much emphasis in criticism.
1:24:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I know it's particularly from the Western critical mindset.
1:24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of total consistency, as if tunnel consistency is in and of itself a good.
1:24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that's necessarily true.
1:24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's bad.
1:24:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it causes you to not be able to take something seriously, like clearly wants to be taken seriously.
1:24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's I know what you did last summer, four.
1:25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the filmmakers know this can only be taken so seriously.
1:25:06
[SPEAKER_01]: We took the series as far as we could go before it became laughable and then we just started laughing.
1:25:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're fine with it.
1:25:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I was fine with it.
1:25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really clever and fun.
1:25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it.
1:25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: We did not review Smurfs.
1:25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen any of the Smurfs movies.
1:25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You ever seen any of the Smurfs movies?
1:25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a one, not even a movie.
1:25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard into a goose.
1:25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Did it?
1:25:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a goose.
1:25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely a water foul of some time.
1:25:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That happened.
1:25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched that for you.
1:25:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm over here.
1:25:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry for that.
1:25:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
1:25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm.
1:25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the most of, but that's not a compliment.
1:25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I did see the original animated Smurf's movie from like the eighties.
1:25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They did like a feature length one that was just a basically a long Smurf's episode.
1:25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably so bad as a kid.
1:25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I will recommend, even though I was in the movie, I can't say if her criticism, I can't say if I agree or not.
1:26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Look up Liz Shannon Miller.
1:26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a critic.
1:26:03
[SPEAKER_01]: We've had her on the show was long time ago, but we had her on the show before.
1:26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: She writes for consequence.
1:26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good online publication.
1:26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Her review of this of Smurfs.
1:26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: The newsmurfs is really fucking fun.
1:26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good read.
1:26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's basically just here's everything I thought while I was watching the Smurfs.
1:26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And the part
1:26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: where it hit me, where I was like, okay, this is exactly why I probably wouldn't thought of that situation.
1:26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like, if I had known James Corden starred in this, I would not be here.
1:26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They were so focused on Rihanna, they kind of hid.
1:26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're going to have to sit through James Corden, and yet another kid's musical thing.
1:26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, the Smurfs are based on an old Belgian comic strip.
1:26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, which is fine.
1:26:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Little magical blue.
1:26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Elf, the Thomas, cute.
1:26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of kind of, kind of, kind of reminds.
1:26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a wizard who wants to get them.
1:27:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, that the premise is fine.
1:27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I have no issues with the smurf, especially with my sprites and there's an evil wizard.
1:27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I even like the original smurf design.
1:27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Those little cute little white hats.
1:27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of like cute.
1:27:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:27:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of like cute.
1:27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't want to see these new CGI movies because it feels like just looking at the CGI that the charm is gone from those original comics.
1:27:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:27:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can tell, just from the previews, they're trying to make them hip.
1:27:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:27:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Or there's like magical portals to the real world.
1:27:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they've done that.
1:27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, here's, here's what it boils down to.
1:27:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, when I was very, I'm saying, I've asked some people about this.
1:27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I was at that critics retreat for a couple of weeks and people from all over the country.
1:27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked them if this is a phenomenon in other cities, because I don't get out of LA very often.
1:27:49
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of billboards in LA that are like specifically catered to like the intersection that they're on.
1:27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, like there's a there's good one on it's on the brass and it's they link the two is like a rope or something.
1:28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like they're they're custom so that like it feels like oh they made this poster just for us like I get it it's kind of good but
1:28:12
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one, and it's on the corner of, like, it's like Highland and Franklin.
1:28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like right by the Chinese movie, the Groundless Chinese.
1:28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is a miserable fucking intersection.
1:28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guarantee that you people have died.
1:28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry if you're driving that intersection.
1:28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible intersection.
1:28:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a, but on top of it all, I've started navigating this,
1:28:34
[SPEAKER_01]: a godly five street intersection hellscape there is also or at least there was as of this last week a billboard hanging over it of pop a smurf looking down on you with bedroom eyes it's not me it looks like he's flirting with you and he says and and what I say the word blue it spelled be all you need because it's
1:29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like you blew the headlight.
1:29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, looks like you blew that stop sign.
1:29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, A, I did not like that that's an on Tondra.
1:29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: B, people died at this obsession.
1:29:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee you what the fuck pop a smurf is really inappropriate.
1:29:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't say like, you got to get ready for a blue job.
1:29:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's pretty close.
1:29:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty close.
1:29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So, now I haven't seen this smurf.
1:29:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen the chipmunks reboot movies.
1:29:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some of one of the album The Chipmunks movies because my nieces were age-appropriate when it came out.
1:29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was one of those things where it's like, put on the movie.
1:29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: We all want to just nod.
1:29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, hear loud kids right now.
1:29:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, I think it was the second one because that's the one where the chipettes showed up.
1:29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
1:29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We're done here, but I want to I want to do one last thing about the chipmunks So in psycho four We learn about Norman Bates was named after his mother Norma, but we don't know a whole lot about his father
1:30:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:30:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And they do in that movie, if I recall, find that his corpse was on the premises, like he died and they buried him there.
1:30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't say what his first name is, but they say that his first name begins with a J, his first initial was J. J. J. Bates.
1:30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: J. B. A. T. E. S. Are the first initials of the chipmunks in the chipmunks?
1:30:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck you.
1:30:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeanette, Brittany, Alvin, Theodore, Eleanor Simon.
1:30:42
[SPEAKER_00]: J-Bates.
1:30:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all connected, man.
1:30:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this information now that I have it.
1:30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: See, now I've had it, so I put it on Mike on a podcast and now it's gonna live on forever.
1:30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder sometimes if people get to this point in the podcast, I interviewed a couple of times.
1:31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: A true hot tour, and I mean this for the bottom of my heart, I actually think she's really interesting to help a filmmaker.
1:31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Joanna Angel.
1:31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a adult star.
1:31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: She's directed a lot, a very punk Rocky.
1:31:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor movies for a company called Burning Angel.
1:31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's great.
1:31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: She's definitely got her own style.
1:31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: She has something.
1:31:21
[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks about it.
1:31:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
1:31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I interviewed her a couple of times.
1:31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked about her movies.
1:31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And she told me something that I will never forget the LADI.
1:31:28
[SPEAKER_01]: She said, you were the only person I've ever met who has seen the end of my movies.
1:31:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was really, really cute.
1:31:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And later on, I was like, yeah, I guess I am on the ace spectrum, huh?
1:31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I did kind of watch it for the plot.
1:31:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in any case, this concludes.
1:31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of, let's see.
1:31:46
[SPEAKER_01]: There were vampires and there was like a killer shark in this swimming pool.
1:31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know what I know?
1:31:51
[SPEAKER_01]: There's two different movies by the way, to be fair.
1:31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: There's two different films.
1:31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess.
1:31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, if anyone's listening, now you know the delving the chipmunk thing.
1:32:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Live your life accordingly, I guess, now that you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's just, I think, you know, there was something that you emphasize that I don't always think is the point and it's letting bring that up.
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