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PSYCHO-FRAME: Songwriting, Faith, and Politics as 2025's most BRUTAL Band. · The Downbeat

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  What's up guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat
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  deathcore band Psycho Frame. Now I know you guys always say
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  That's for Simon, yeah. Who's to Simon?
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  Simon's the other. Simon cuts it all together and
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  makes it look cool. Simon's awesome.
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  Simon is awesome. I've been saying that for years.
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  He doesn't believe it. Me too bro.
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  Simon High Key may be one of my biggest fans across the pond.
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  Actually. Possibly he talks about anything
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  that I've done for the last like 5 years the most.
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  Over there. Let's just open out with a big
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  Simon thing anyway. Coulter, Mike, Psycho friend.
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  Thanks for being here. We're just talking about Simon.
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  Simon Dead Souls 13 I think his name is.
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  We used to gas vacuum up back in the day.
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  Yeah, no, I, I remember him. Posting Yeah, there we go.
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  Simon, you got Simon. This is going to stay in.
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  This isn't even a fucking edit, boys.
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  Thanks for coming. Of course.
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  First day at all Hectic. Scary.
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  Tech issues. Yeah.
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  Go on, what was it? Or in ear rig, you know, you
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  practice the day before, everything's great.
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  Yep. And then you show up on stage
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  for sound check and then he has to be.
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  Honest, everything wasn't great. I just don't bring up any
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  problems and then I go, hey, is this normal?
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  There he goes. No.
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  At rehearsal there was problems. I was just like this is probably
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  normal. What was the problem?
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  My ear and ears are just going and I'm like, that's cool.
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  You were like. And then when everyone plays, I
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  can like kind of not hear something.
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  It's probably what it's like. This must be normal.
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  Yeah. So then today sound check
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  happened. I just asked and then it.
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  It became I. Was like I will fix this because
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  he's very good at his job and it just took longer.
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  But the whole practice, you just practiced with that.
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  Yeah. And then today, nice splash.
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  That was insane. I did not expect that.
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  So you got to sort it. Yeah, we're good.
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  Sure. Who's on?
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  What's in the in ear mix? Like what does everyone have?
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  I mean, just really like the band.
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  We have like a backtrack, of course, coming out of a laptop.
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  But everything else is just live drums.
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  You know our guitars. I just tried to make it sound
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  like what it sounds like. On the record.
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  When we play on stage. But do you have the click?
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  Yeah, I have a click in mind. I don't know if you're using.
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  Poquito. Tiny little bit click.
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  I got him turned down. What about AOA?
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  Not even a disc. It's hard to get.
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  Two vocals, yes. It's awesome, Yeah.
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  When you feel it, I got. I got questions later on about
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  your AOH because they're fucking to die for.
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  There's maybe 500 in our set. You just picked up on something
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  that I wanted to ask later on, but it's much more natural to
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  ask it now. So you said you have less mic in
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  your Yeah, like on stage. How do you decide who's going to
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  be where? We don't.
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  We just kind of run around. But from what I've seen, it
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  doesn't look like physically, Yeah, like physically.
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  We. Two goaded ass white boys.
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  Everyday in a learning experience.
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  So like, I don't know, whenever we first started, I guess I
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  don't know. I don't really know 'cause like
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  so Coulter replaced the original other singer, John and yes.
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  And when John and I were playing in the band, we never really
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  like crossed each other's. Like I was stage left vocalist
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  and he was stage right. So we never really crossed that
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  boundary. And I had told him that and
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  without saying anything about it, he said that shit's done.
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  And then I. Can't stand still.
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  Figuring it out from the motherfucker does not stop
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  moving. I can see I.
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  Piss him off so. Then so then I've.
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  Had a few shows where he's like enough you can calm down.
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  Dude, that in where we were in Grand Rapids, that's where I was
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  like, please, for the love of God.
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  But you're just darting around and you're like, I got my space.
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  He also had sunglasses on and couldn't.
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  I'm just. Tripping over everything.
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  I was just. I had my jacket on, sunglasses
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  on, it was dark in. It was just.
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  Being a small stage, huge wing span, You got a real bassist,
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  Yeah, Insane, insane news. For a bass.
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  Real bassist, 2 singers, 2 guitars.
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  One guitar. On guitar 1 guitar, there's one
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  guitar on track. Yeah.
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  It's OK, it's OK. I'll let you off one of them.
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  Is that or bass? On track, yeah, I mean.
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  And then the answer. Everyone got bass on track, at
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  least you visually, you look at it and you're like, this all
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  comprises a band. You're not looking at it and
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  going. Except for two seconds.
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  What the fuck's a bass player? I hear bass.
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  There's no bass. My my issue and I always get
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  into trouble because I was here I'm friends with Counterparts
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  and they're like, they're like the MacBook bass band.
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  I got beef with MacBook bass because you're you're taking a
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  job away from someone. Whereas guitar I can kind of see
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  like, OK, one guitarist wrote all of this.
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  Why not just put one of them on the track?
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  Bass, Come on. Yeah, give a little bassist a
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  job this Christmas. Because not only is the bassist
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  so overlooked and just like not seen as important to people, for
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  bands as an ecosystem to do that to him, that's crazy.
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  Was Mackie ever in Psycho Friend?
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  Legally speaking, yes. Legally speaking.
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  He's on. He's on like the back cover of
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  the first EP, and he does have writing credits on some of those
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  first songs that we released. So like the song Raining Glass,
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  that's him. He's on.
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  Yeah. And when we just toured with
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  them last show, he even came up and did a guest spot with us.
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  And then he walked off and we were like, we're sorry we kicked
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  you out of the. Band the bit every night was
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  shout out. Mackie, thanks for starting the
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  band. Sorry we kicked you out.
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  Did you kick him out? No.
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  Yeah. Mutual didn't name the band.
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  He named the band. He's the Gundam Nerd.
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  He's busy. I mean, I, I also love Gundam,
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  but he, he named it, he came up with that.
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  That's crazy. You are.
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  You just alluded to the tour you just did.
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  Maybe the best lineup I think I've seen in a long time.
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  Wild lineup. Like absolutely insane Malev
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  speed dying with sarcophrine. Yep, that would piss me off
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  being on that tour because I love kind of not watching some
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  of my friends bands. Yeah like I need like 1.
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  I need the band before me because I need to fucking warm
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  up and do this shit. But that tour, I'd be watching
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  everyone. Yeah, all the bad things about
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  that tour were positive things like I want to chill, but I'm
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  going to watch every band every night.
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  Were you on the bus with Malevolent?
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  No, they had their own and theirs was wrapped.
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  They had the monster monster. Logo, the whole thing.
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  Insane, insane how they get away with that.
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  They're. Awesome.
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  Like anyone else on earth that did that, I'd be like, that's
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  the name of this shit ever. And my left does it.
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  I'm like, OK, it's sick. Yeah, no, I didn't bat an eye at
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  it. How was the tour for you guys?
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  Fucking sick. Yeah, so first time over there
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  with this band. With this band, we'll get into
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  that, yeah. With this band, first time over
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  there, so of course like it, you know, you go over, you expect to
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  eat shit, lose money, everyone hates you and you should die
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  like, you know, like that. In the UK.
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  That can happen. And we just didn't feel that
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  like there was maybe 1 show in Germany where like things like
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  truly kind of felt bad, but only for maybe the first half.
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  And it was really just because of like Door and Showtime that
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  was like that got messed up. Yeah, that was again, we're
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  like, you're not fucking with us.
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  They're like, you're all right. Well, that that one actually did
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  feel a little bad. I was from my life.
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  So there's two I mean, you've just named we we'd again, we we
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  did Leipzig. It was still fun twice in the
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  next twice in the last year we did Leipzig and both times it
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  was the worst German. Sorry, Leipzig was the worst
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  German show of the tour. Same thing.
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  Like just the vibe was just like you paid the money, like come be
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  nice to us. What's happening?
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  And they all had a good time, but it's just, I don't think
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  it's culture of going fucking nuts in Leipzig maybe.
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  This may have been the show where everyone on the package.
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  So like, you know, we're opening Dying wish is after us and you
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  speed and the live. This was the show like we walked
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  off stage. I believe if if this is the
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  right show I'm talking about and we said, well, that was one of
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  the shows for sure. Maybe dying wish will have an
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  easier time. Yeah, they walked off stage and
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  they said. No, they crush.
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  They did crush, but they themselves said they're like,
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  fuck, I don't know about that one.
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  If anyone's going to figure this out, it's going to be speech.
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  Oh yeah, that show was weird because we finished our set and
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  I was just like damn, all right, y'all not really rocking with
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  us. It was like, it was good.
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  It was like a pretty full house and everything.
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  And then we just like weren't feeling it because no one was
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  like really interacting that much.
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  And then our set ended and they started chanting for an encore.
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  I was like, you didn't like the first 7?
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  What do you mean so? Weird, isn't it?
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  I wish there was just like a little like a traffic light
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  system that it gets installed on everyone when they go to a show
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  and like in their pocket. And they just vote.
• 12:59
  You know, like the what the TSA toilets when it's like how or
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  TSA or toilets. How happy are you with the
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  cleanliness of the toilet that but for a show.
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  So they do it throughout the show.
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  So you can see bread, bread, bread over there.
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  We got green over. There I need that.
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  I would love that. I need that.
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  You can come upstairs a couple of Reds boys but quite a lot of
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  green. Unless it's like.
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  It was all red. We got to go.
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  Yeah, unless it's kind of like pandemonium.
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  I think for a lot of US playing the kind of music that we're
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  playing, if we're not seeing like full blown like
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  interaction, like a participation from the crowd,
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  we're just kind of convinced, like fuck you.
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  Guys playing aggressive heavy music and not seeing physical
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  interaction out front is confusing.
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  It's confusing. Because it's like, if you're
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  rocking with it, why are you doing this?
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  Yeah, but then I but. Then they're like one more song
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  like. OK I think of it as well because
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  I literally came back from tour 2 days ago.
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  Similar thing. Bunch of the shows that were
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  like on paper ticket sales, merch sales, best shows, my
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  least favorite show because I thought the crowd weren't into
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  it. Then I think if I was at a show
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  like I don't mosh anymore. Yeah, I'm not going to do that.
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  Yeah. But do this but fuck no am I
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  doing that like. You can't expect that of.
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  Me, I need like a chair. Take me the fuck down.
• 14:12
  You got any chairs tonight? I'd love that.
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  Give me a little fucking viewing platform.
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  My wife and my in laws came to our Hamburg show and we did have
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  her grandma in a chair on a balcony.
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  Amazing. Best.
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  Seat in the house, everyone in the package is like up on the
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  balcony making sure Nana is having a good time and stuff and
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  I'm like, this is actually the experience I want.
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  Put me in that fucking chair. How did Nana enjoy psycho frame?
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  She so no idea, right, has no idea about this culture.
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  She's never she's never she's never I know she's never thought
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  that it could be like this. So one question I got was if the
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  people moshing were paid actors. That's that's how from her.
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  From her they are. And they are, But obviously
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  that's crazy. Yeah.
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  Paid actors, Yeah. That was how the question the
• 15:07
  question was phrased, yeah. Just ask me like so do you pay
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  them? To do that, inconceivable that
• 15:11
  someone would pay money to come do that.
• 15:14
  It is a great idea, though. Yeah.
• 15:16
  Like, we're talking about shows that suck.
• 15:17
  It's just like, I think the show kind of sucks tonight.
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  Send in the fucking team, yeah. Straight up.
• 15:23
  Take your funny best dancers. Yeah, production bucks.
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  Each get them in. They'll take care of it.
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  They'll get, they'll get them all into it.
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  But no, I did respond and I said I would actually never give
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  these people money. I would just buy a fucking
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  T-shirt. Yeah, I'm stuck.
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  Grandma came. That's fucking awesome.
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  It was awesome. Thank God the show rocked.
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  Did you musically, was she down? Did she understand it?
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  I. Can't imagine not.
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  A chance? That's absolutely insane, what
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  happened. Like at least half the people
• 15:49
  that watch us don't understand. Yeah, Nana didn't stand a
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  chance. That's.
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  True. Listen, it's my if you want to
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  go on, if you want to go on the statistics, it's my #3 I saw
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  that most played album of the year.
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  OK, I think my statistics are wrong.
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  OK, but not in like a not in a in a disc.
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  You're definitely, you're definitely that shit.
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  Should not have been on there. Wait, let's pull it up. 1 The
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  sugar. Every year my sugar is my number
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  one. That doesn't matter #2 Opeth
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  again. I pretty much listen to Opeth
• 16:23
  all the time. OK, three psycho frame 4
• 16:27
  Tesseract, which is insane to me.
• 16:28
  I do like the man tesseract, but do I like them that much?
• 16:32
  Apparently so Five Plenty Plenty is my decorating music and I've
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  moved house during this so it makes sense.
• 16:40
  I've listened to a lot of plenty but top songs.
• 16:43
  So This is why I'm saying I think my my figures are skewed.
• 16:47
  The plot to Nuke the Midwest. My number one played song of the
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  year, but that wasn't on this record.
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  No. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
• 16:58
  Doesn't make sense, so. The album's on there, but that
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  song is top song, yes. But you know the album.
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  So the album came out in July. Numbers aren't real.
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  So do you have you know, if if you were loving it in January?
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  I do. Think that there's like some
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  kind of data skewing because when I was seeing my I use Apple
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  instead of Spotify but. Pull up your Apple Rewind.
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  So top artists for 2025, We have Hayley Williams, number one.
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  Number one, you have no idea. I I was in an unhealthy deep
• 17:33
  dive of her and Taylor's relationship on the flight to
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  Europe for this past two works. That's when she was still
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  dropping the last like 2 songs. Yeah, on the record.
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  So you've got a parasocial thing going on with Hayley Williams
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  for like. 8 hours. Yeah, I did.
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  And. Then and then I was like, OK,
• 17:53
  I'm, I'm, I'm out of this now. But you listen to it enough.
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  I listen to it to be #1. Enough for sure.
• 17:59
  I love that record, it's so good.
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  When did you? Call us on our on our last full
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  US. And it's the only thing I played
• 18:04
  in the van. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, damn, you put a shift in there because they stop in like
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  October, Yeah. I I really like that record.
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  Kendrick Lamar. Not really sure how he ended up
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  here. Not that I dislike him.
• 18:18
  Straight bangers though, really. Lot lot of good songs.
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  You could do. I mean, the data doesn't lie.
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  You don't dislike him? Yeah, In fact, you love him.
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  Yeah, Jason isbell #3 that makes total sense.
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  He's like a Americana country artist.
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  OK, was that a gun? He's an Americana.
• 18:36
  I actually. Don't know what this was.
• 18:38
  He's like a country you. Know you know.
• 18:40
  I don't know what that was. Simon cut that.
• 18:44
  Don't have to cut that, Simon. No, Simon stays in.
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  I have Bring Me the Horizon at #4 not sure why I like the band
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  but they ended up there and then.
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  Love them. My number 5 is Psycho Frame.
• 18:57
  You know A5 psycho frame is that learning song.
• 18:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those don't count.
• 19:01
  Yeah, those, because that's my #2 but that doesn't count
• 19:03
  because it's me prepping for tour.
• 19:05
  And. Then you prep with sorry, this
• 19:07
  is give me a number six and then I'm gonna.
• 19:09
  Church doing my other band. Is up, yeah, you've you've
• 19:12
  you've given that a disclaimer though, but you prep with the
• 19:15
  versions of the songs with you on already.
• 19:19
  Yeah, see, I used to do that for Drew.
• 19:24
  OK, so sorry. So Drew would learn the songs
• 19:28
  through the tracks that we'd already recorded, but there's
• 19:32
  still be some bits that he didn't sort of that didn't
• 19:35
  cement properly. So I revoked that right from
• 19:38
  him. And then I gave him the tracks
• 19:40
  without him, so I'll learn with that.
• 19:42
  And then he fucking smashed it. So I find it interesting that
• 19:47
  you can learn from just hearing yourself.
• 19:50
  Oh yeah, that goes in plasticity of the brain that stays in it.
• 19:54
  See, for me, I could never play along with someone that already
• 19:57
  has drums. I.
• 19:58
  Learned how to drum, I get that. You play drums as well.
• 20:00
  That's my first instrument when I was 12, I.
• 20:02
  Fucking hate people like you. He.
• 20:05
  Can't. He can straight up do like.
• 20:08
  He's one of those like. Pretty competently, if not super
• 20:11
  good. No, I can play drums and talk.
• 20:14
  That's it. What more do you need?
• 20:15
  I can make AT shirt as well. Go on.
• 20:16
  What's your what's your list? Spotify or Apple?
• 20:19
  Apple love love music quality or sound quality #1 Hayley Williams
• 20:25
  Of course, that record number 2, the heaviest, doesn't count.
• 20:30
  Right now, by the way, no, it's good.
• 20:34
  Number 30. Number 2 was Psycho Frame
• 20:37
  because I got to learn the song Expert Tour 3 is Men I trust.
• 20:40
  That tracks. Who's that?
• 20:43
  Have you ever been to a coffee shop?
• 20:44
  Couple of times, yeah, You probably heard them, OK.
• 20:46
  They're awesome. They're like bedroom indie pop.
• 20:49
  They're from eastern Canada. OK, men I trust.
• 20:53
  Maddie in love, yeah. Men I trust or 4's final resting
• 20:57
  place. I really like that.
• 20:59
  All their stuff, but I just kind of like let it play.
• 21:02
  I was listening to it a lot while playing Oblivion.
• 21:06
  The remake. The remake I was I.
• 21:07
  Don't know why I just. Listened to the the remake, the.
• 21:10
  OK, so I was for they shadow dropped that and for no reason
• 21:14
  prior to I was just playing the original and I got halfway
• 21:17
  through and then they were like here's a new one.
• 21:19
  So I was like, OK, I guess I'll start again.
• 21:21
  Started again with slightly better graphics.
• 21:23
  Right. So I was doing that and then.
• 21:25
  Different build, no OK. Asking the real question too.
• 21:29
  Same build? Did you build exactly the same
• 21:31
  character? No, I made it look like a freak
• 21:33
  in the new one because you can really go crazy with their
• 21:35
  creator. Before you go on like.
• 21:37
  Build was still just like, yeah, talk to me about two build, two
• 21:40
  hand big sword. Yeah, going swinging.
• 21:42
  I just wanted to get through it fast and like that's the best
• 21:45
  way to get through it fast. Did you finish it?
• 21:47
  No, I never finished Oblivion. I never.
• 21:50
  Skyrim is my my one that I never got past that first cutscene.
• 21:55
  Skyrim for real? When you're on the back of that
• 21:56
  thing, never. It was out of time.
• 21:59
  So Oblivion I played to death, but I never finished it.
• 22:02
  And then Skyrim came out at a time when I was like out of
• 22:05
  playing games for a while, but I was like, OK, I've got to play
• 22:08
  this though. And for some reason being on the
• 22:11
  back of that cart just pissed me off so much every time I just
• 22:15
  wanted to skip it. I think maybe once I got that
• 22:18
  game. New did that intro and went I'm
• 22:20
  not playing this. In 2000.
• 22:22
  That's crazy. Yeah, perspective.
• 22:24
  The cat's name is Kajeet. That's literally her name.
• 22:28
  Cute because I love Skyrim. I do, I didn't get part if it
• 22:32
  was up to me. She'd be cool.
• 22:34
  I mean, there's Kajeet Kart in Oblivion.
• 22:35
  Yeah. They got them.
• 22:36
  You're tapping. Yeah, I'm fine, I'm good, I'm
• 22:38
  good. I got #6. 5 is 100th dropped the
• 22:42
  new record this year and I really like their new sound.
• 22:45
  Nice. And all.
• 22:46
  And then number six is Pearl blade.
• 22:50
  What's Pearl blade? You know when you hear like a
• 22:52
  song and then someone's like, OK, check out the nightcore
• 22:55
  version. Pretty much.
• 22:57
  It's it's like this, but like it doesn't suck.
• 23:00
  OK. It literally just takes like
• 23:05
  songs that shouldn't have EDM to it and puts EDM to.
• 23:08
  Them. OK, so you know, you said if
• 23:11
  you've ever been to a coffee shop, yeah, that's like you
• 23:13
  should have just said if you've ever been to a gym.
• 23:16
  And I would say too true. I would have also said yeah.
• 23:19
  Because blown out crazy as fuck. I didn't know if the mic was
• 23:22
  blowing that. No, that's the mix.
• 23:23
  He just kind of called I think. I think, I don't know if it's
• 23:26
  intentional. I want to believe it's just a
• 23:27
  guy that has no clue what he's doing.
• 23:29
  He's just like, yeah. Fire's clipping.
• 23:32
  That's kind of I can say. Do you make lo fi music?
• 23:36
  Make lots of music. How do you how did you get into
• 23:38
  that? I don't like to stick to one
• 23:40
  thing. I mean, you look my top five.
• 23:43
  There's 001. Have you been?
• 23:44
  Have you? So is it Devil kid?
• 23:47
  Devil girl? Devil Girl.
• 23:48
  Yeah, so I've been doing that forever, just like learning,
• 23:52
  teaching myself, just like recording and writing and blah,
• 23:55
  blah, blah. I was learning Daws and all that
• 23:57
  stuff. And then I've always liked
• 24:00
  break, core, lofi, whatever it is, just like anything.
• 24:02
  I mean drums, yeah, yeah, I like drums.
• 24:04
  So I'm almost like, yeah, So I was like, I want to do that and
• 24:09
  just kind of like learned how to taught myself how to do that.
• 24:12
  And I would put it into other songs for heavy bands that I
• 24:15
  had, like hardcore bands. I have a band called World of
• 24:17
  Pleasure and just like a lot of it, a lot of the appeal is I
• 24:23
  think aesthetically and then also sound wise it'll like very
• 24:26
  contrasting, like a song will end and there's like a 10 second
• 24:29
  snippet of like a brake core thing, lofi or whatever it is.
• 24:32
  And you are you programming that that brake core?
• 24:34
  That's all me, yeah. No for no, or you're sampling
• 24:37
  it. Depends.
• 24:38
  I'll sample. I'll sample like symbol, yeah.
• 24:41
  And then like input. Because I listen to it and some
• 24:43
  of the brake core is like crazy. Yeah, it's all that's all
• 24:46
  chopped and automated and done everything and like I'm using
• 24:48
  like 5 different snares and all this stuff.
• 24:50
  Ableton. I use for that devil girl stuff.
• 24:54
  I did Reaper. Wow, yeah, fucking just old
• 24:57
  school. OS that's what I learned on, but
• 24:59
  this year I switched to Logic. And I love it.
• 25:01
  How to use Ableton? No.
• 25:03
  OK, OK. I don't.
• 25:04
  I wouldn't say I know how to use what I'm using, but I just do
• 25:07
  stuff and it makes a sound and I go, yeah.
• 25:10
  I like that that's when it comes out and it's good You so you
• 25:13
  touch. I mean, obviously with a podcast
• 25:15
  where I've got my way, I want things to go, but then you're
• 25:18
  touching on stuff that I want to talk about later on.
• 25:20
  But we might as well go straight into it, go crazy.
• 25:23
  You mentioned aesthetics there. Now one of my favorite things
• 25:27
  with psychoframe is the aesthetic and the way that
• 25:32
  everything seems pre planned. I hope given that your some of
• 25:37
  your answers so far, just I'll just do shit.
• 25:39
  But like the aesthetics, all the artwork, the logo, every little
• 25:45
  clip that's on Instagram, all the videos, there's like a crazy
• 25:49
  aesthetic behind it. Even the sound design suits.
• 25:52
  Who's behind that? So.
• 25:54
  That is a pretty collective effort.
• 25:57
  But really, I mean, we just when you start back from the first
• 26:00
  EP, we were like, yeah, we're kind of going for this thing.
• 26:03
  The first song that we dropped had the Manhunt clip and we were
• 26:09
  just like, OK, we'll kind of stay in this like horror video
• 26:13
  game, like kind of inspired shit.
• 26:14
  We just wanted to feel like a little fucking like, gross.
• 26:17
  I don't know if you've ever played.
• 26:18
  Manhunt Manhunt was a fucking amazing game.
• 26:20
  Playing a snuff. Yeah.
• 26:22
  It's so we I. Think it got banned in the UK.
• 26:26
  It did. It did.
• 26:27
  I went down the ramp. Never stood a chance in
• 26:29
  Australia. I think I had a cracked version
• 26:31
  of it. There's still version I I even
• 26:34
  in the UK 22. Is banned in.
• 26:36
  There is like an edited. Version. 22 is more rough.
• 26:42
  It's like early 2000s, wasn't it?
• 26:44
  I want to say like 06. I got Manhunt 2 on Wii when I
• 26:48
  was a kid. Nice.
• 26:49
  I was literally like using the. Everyone on the.
• 26:53
  Weed nunchucks or whatever they're called to like, put a
• 26:56
  bag over someone's head. Wait, you could do that?
• 26:58
  Yeah, that was crazy. That's so cool.
• 26:59
  So awesome. Yeah.
• 27:01
  Why is this on here? That's.
• 27:03
  Fucking amazing. That's badass.
• 27:05
  So we like start there and then even when it came down to the
• 27:09
  artwork for that, we used this artist's name is Slap Jockey.
• 27:14
  His real name is Dusty, but we just stayed with him
• 27:19
  consistently. You know, we really only had
• 27:22
  three proper releases, 2 EPS and an album.
• 27:25
  We did like a double single first thing this year.
• 27:28
  But that's really just, I don't know, just.
• 27:30
  To put something out. He also did the art for that.
• 27:32
  Yeah, he did the art for that too.
• 27:34
  We stayed consistent visually in with him when it comes to album
• 27:39
  artwork. But then like even like sound
• 27:43
  design and stuff like yeah, it's it's consistent.
• 27:46
  We. Flowers go to Hunter.
• 27:48
  Yeah, I mean, Hunter is Brandon makes everything.
• 27:51
  Genius. Hunter, yeah.
• 27:52
  He's. I'm the.
• 27:53
  Brain. He's the brain.
• 27:55
  Yes or no right to some shit, you know.
• 27:57
  So he will bring an idea to the table that's a yes or a no.
• 28:01
  Yeah, he's, he deserves all the flowers.
• 28:03
  He's like the brain behind everything, truly.
• 28:06
  We bring ideas and he says no, That gets it, gets the bad ones
• 28:10
  out. Yeah, you need that though.
• 28:13
  You need one head. You need a visionary.
• 28:15
  Yeah, yeah, Head. Chef, you can't have three head
• 28:17
  chefs for the whole band. Can't.
• 28:19
  But bringing in sous chefs by often like World of Pleasure,
• 28:23
  again, like that Y2K aesthetic, sure, you got that on fucking
• 28:28
  log. And I feel like that, although
• 28:31
  not stylistically looks wise, does it match psycho frame?
• 28:37
  But like feel wise, it does, you know what I mean?
• 28:40
  The what the the world of pleasure, like the artwork and
• 28:44
  stuff like that. So like, I feel like moving
• 28:46
  forward, I can't wait to see where that goes with like
• 28:49
  little, little nudges to your Y2K stuff we've gotten.
• 28:53
  One design very recently, the green shirt that was, that was
• 28:56
  the first time you got to take the reins a little bit, right?
• 29:01
  What's the green shirt? He has no idea.
• 29:02
  What I'm telling you bro. I don't know.
• 29:04
  I thought that was your boy who that made the green shirt.
• 29:08
  Probably. Explain the green shirt.
• 29:09
  Oh yes, people need to shout out my shirt.
• 29:11
  Shout out my boy Brandon Fung. OK, what's the?
• 29:13
  Hungry hardcore. I can put the green shirt up
• 29:16
  here for everyone. You sell more of it.
• 29:18
  What's the green shirt? One it's got it's just got like
• 29:21
  a 3D render of just like the logo on the back and some like,
• 29:25
  you know, the white 2K looking stuff and you just like use the
• 29:29
  color and everything. But yeah, that's my boy Brandon
• 29:32
  from that's from Calgary Hardcore.
• 29:34
  And it took a little bit longer than I think I would have wanted
• 29:37
  for us to actually start implementing some of that.
• 29:41
  So none of us have ever, like, fully dove into being a
• 29:44
  deathcore band before. And then we decided to do it for
• 29:48
  us in our 30s, which is bizarre. I don't know.
• 29:52
  I don't know how that. Got here bro.
• 29:53
  I feel like that's what I'm going to do next though.
• 29:55
  It ain't bad. I thought I was a deathcore kid
• 29:57
  in 06 playing Manhunt. I was a deathcore kid.
• 30:00
  You were there and now I'm like, I might be coming back.
• 30:03
  I need to get faster though. That's the thing.
• 30:05
  You got fucking Leo. Yeah.
• 30:07
  Well. He's young.
• 30:09
  I thought, I thought it, there was no way that it could be
• 30:12
  real. The first time I heard it, the
• 30:14
  first time I heard sycophane, I was like, there's no fucking
• 30:16
  he's. Only gotten better.
• 30:18
  He gets better every single he's a.
• 30:19
  Freak. He's a freak, like his kicks,
• 30:22
  because he's obviously doing the double s.
• 30:24
  The. Double s, yeah.
• 30:24
  But they're like genuinely, he hits them so hard and does them
• 30:27
  so consistently. Doesn't need triggers, nothing
• 30:31
  like Mike and it's like solid. Like we're using on the trigger.
• 30:34
  But he doesn't need it straight up.
• 30:36
  We've been in, we've, we're all sitting in practice.
• 30:39
  We've had them turned off and just running it before or we
• 30:42
  pulled up in like some practice space that just cannot
• 30:46
  facilitate and like get it running through something.
• 30:48
  So we just go. He's cracked.
• 30:50
  We're doing. Did you have one?
• 30:51
  He told me to speak to you. You are Leaf Green operative?
• 30:55
  Yeah. There you go.
• 30:56
  What is that? What is that?
• 30:59
  Just know that's what you are. Yeah, I so we're both like sharp
• 31:02
  tone posted a thing today and it was like.
• 31:04
  The nocturnal. Word thing, we had two drummers,
• 31:06
  Yeah. And he wrote vote for leaf Green
• 31:10
  operative. And then you've told me that.
• 31:13
  So I'm I'm guessing he said vote for me.
• 31:15
  But what does that mean? Dude, I don't ask.
• 31:17
  The last thing you got to do is ask you just accept it as what
• 31:20
  it is. Brains to be that good at the
• 31:22
  drama at. A certain point you you can like
• 31:24
  recognise what he's trying to say to you.
• 31:27
  There is a code but. It.
• 31:29
  Is like, you should have brought him.
• 31:31
  It sounds like an animal, Yeah. Well, I think you should you
• 31:34
  should do some with him another time.
• 31:36
  Maybe you too. Let me meet him tonight, of
• 31:39
  course, get a glimpse. Get a glimpse of him tonight.
• 31:41
  He would love to see where that goes.
• 31:42
  He's awesome, he's lovely. Cool, he'll be around.
• 31:45
  We don't just like, keep him in a.
• 31:49
  I mean, it's not. A time to play DRY and.
• 31:50
  He comes out and he just says like certain words, NBA, like
• 31:53
  whatever was on his story today, he's.
• 31:56
  Got the collar on. Mike, we know each other.
• 31:59
  We do. From.
• 32:01
  Together. 20/22/2022 Yeah, First tore back after coke, almost
• 32:06
  Second tore back after COVID. We stray took Vatican out
• 32:09
  because we were. I mean, I was an incredibly big
• 32:13
  Vatican fan and you broke up on the tour.
• 32:17
  Right after we had a great time. We had a great time.
• 32:20
  That tour was awesome. I don't it looks like it might
• 32:23
  be sarcastic. I had a terrible.
• 32:25
  No, I don't if you remember. I don't think there's anyone
• 32:28
  separately or as a unit that would ever say anything bad
• 32:33
  about that tour. That tour was so awesome.
• 32:35
  Tour was so fucking fun. Yeah, we broke up shortly after
• 32:40
  not related to the tour because we came home and we were like,
• 32:43
  that was incredible, great experience, did better as an
• 32:46
  opening band than anyone ever projected that we could have.
• 32:50
  And you know, we're we're on the tour in the moment and I
• 32:53
  remember I think we were in, we were somewhere in the UK.
• 32:56
  It was whatever our first UK show of the tour was.
• 32:59
  I. Don't remember the.
• 33:02
  Main thing that I want to say Bristol.
• 33:05
  Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, Yeah.
• 33:07
  It's like not that far from London.
• 33:08
  No, it's not. OK.
• 33:09
  So I think it was, I think it was Bristol.
• 33:11
  I remember talking to Tom, Mr. Williams, and he, you know, was
• 33:16
  just kind of like checking in, doing the we brought you out,
• 33:19
  check in. As he does.
• 33:20
  He's such a just a dad. Yeah.
• 33:23
  And so he was just like, you guys are doing good.
• 33:25
  You guys are fine. Like, you guys feel good.
• 33:27
  You're selling stuff, you know, And I'm just like, yes, yes,
• 33:30
  yes, yes. And when I kind of give him my
• 33:35
  scorecard up to this point, he says, you guys are crushing.
• 33:40
  You're doing way better than most people ever do.
• 33:42
  For your first time over, you should feel encouraged and
• 33:45
  proud. And I said we do.
• 33:49
  Has nothing to do with the tour. And then you broke up, so it was
• 33:52
  just. History will say I was somewhere
• 33:55
  in the mix for reasons why this band broke up.
• 33:59
  But I mean, as it stands today, like, I love all those guys.
• 34:03
  I know nothing. I'm getting a politician.
• 34:04
  Answer here I'm. Getting I'm getting a
• 34:06
  politician. Maybe you don't.
• 34:09
  Want to talk? About it.
• 34:11
  Not in depth. OK.
• 34:12
  Not in depth is. Everyone good though everything.
• 34:14
  'S fine. I would never say that.
• 34:17
  Like a revisit to that band is completely off the table for me
• 34:21
  by any means. I loved that band.
• 34:24
  I loved the the record and the EP that I did with them.
• 34:29
  And I love those guys. You know, we just toured with
• 34:31
  Mackie. Yeah.
• 34:32
  I'll die for him. I'll die for him right now.
• 34:34
  Mackie's the fucking best, you know, like.
• 34:36
  He'll form I, I do. Legitimately love those guys and
• 34:39
  and honestly, everyone's doing like really awesome shit like
• 34:42
  since then, yeah, we you got. Flesh, water, just dying wish.
• 34:49
  Psycho. Frame it's almost like Vatican
• 34:51
  was like like a martyred band just like we we need we need
• 34:56
  Vatican to split up so all these bands can can go off and do
• 34:59
  their thing and then I. Start.
• 35:03
  Psycho Frame. With Hunter and John Whittle who
• 35:06
  was the vocalist of Vatican before me, the OS Goat, the OG.
• 35:10
  One. Yeah, Fuck.
• 35:12
  Yeah, so. In in a way, like historically
• 35:15
  you can't look at it like that. I mean, realistically, we didn't
• 35:19
  plan on Psycho Frame, but I never planned on being right
• 35:22
  here because of Psycho Frame talking to you about this band
• 35:26
  like. I.
• 35:27
  Planned on, I don't know, releasing music with them every
• 35:32
  so often? Here's this hilarious Death core
• 35:34
  band. Maybe not hilarious, that sounds
• 35:36
  downplaying of what we do. But like, listen, I'm a top
• 35:39
  three fan. I think I was in the 1% by the
• 35:42
  way. It is hilarious.
• 35:44
  It is hilarious. It is.
• 35:45
  Hilarious. It is hilarious.
• 35:46
  But that's what makes it so. Fucking good the songs he writes
• 35:49
  are. Genuine comedy.
• 35:50
  If you read the lyrics, people are going to be like, what?
• 35:51
  What is this? I mean, we might.
• 35:53
  We might as well. Take.
• 35:55
  Take a cut straight there to the lyrics.
• 35:57
  Then because I I got, I got questions.
• 35:59
  I'll ask. I have answers.
• 36:01
  So. Here's.
• 36:03
  The thing here we go, why are we talking about lyrics?
• 36:07
  I'm going to read some examples and then I have.
• 36:11
  One question it's. All going to be no, no.
• 36:13
  It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
• 36:15
  Black Wave 2. Oh yeah, guns aimed at heaven
• 36:19
  until the work is done. We have your son and he's
• 36:21
  running out of luck. I don't know if we can legally
• 36:24
  disclose. What that's about?
• 36:25
  Okay, no, we can talk about this.
• 36:28
  Who? OK, whose is it?
• 36:29
  It's. Him.
• 36:30
  Yeah, OK. The song has any.
• 36:32
  Semblance of being. Serious.
• 36:33
  It's me. Oh, OK, Yeah, there is.
• 36:36
  If you're going, what did he just say?
• 36:37
  It's. My there is literally just.
• 36:40
  Two types of lyrics here. Yeah, yes.
• 36:42
  And that's, that's nailed it right on the head.
• 36:44
  We have silly anger and serious anger, Right.
• 36:50
  So I did write that. Song about a person a famous a
• 36:55
  famous person famous. Person.
• 36:58
  Who was present in American politics until the later half of
• 37:04
  this year makes trucks that look like.
• 37:07
  Bad renders on APS 20. I know the guy that's an.
• 37:11
  E He's an Elon Musk song. I noticed that A.
• 37:14
  Certain someone. Started bringing their son
• 37:17
  around publicly with them after a certain CEO was killed.
• 37:21
  Yeah, and everyone. Is still.
• 37:23
  Watching how that trial goes down is going down Today I
• 37:27
  noticed a meat shield showed up. Yeah.
• 37:29
  Oh 100% the meat. Shield showed up, so that's what
• 37:32
  that's so, you wrote. A slunk that's.
• 37:34
  The line. Wait, so the is the?
• 37:37
  Out of nowhere, it goes Liam Neeson.
• 37:39
  Like nowhere at any point is a son mentioned and when we were
• 37:44
  so OK, if you listen really close actually in the song this
• 37:47
  is this is in the track after the line where we say we have
• 37:53
  your son and he's running out of luck.
• 37:57
  Guns listen. Closely there is a.
• 38:01
  Laugh track. We're all laughing in the back.
• 38:04
  You can. Hear it because I just all all
• 38:06
  of you laughed. I was doing a.
• 38:07
  Take and because. We're doing a scratch of it, me
• 38:09
  going and we're all just like, what are we doing?
• 38:13
  Everyone's laughing in the studio.
• 38:15
  You can hear it in the background because when we're,
• 38:17
  when we're in the. Studio and we're just like so
• 38:19
  this is how the song is going to go have one of these bad boys
• 38:22
  and it plays and you're just sitting here you just talk yeah
• 38:26
  the head you just. Lay it down.
• 38:28
  And you're like, here's the scratch.
• 38:29
  This is an idea of how of how she'll go down.
• 38:34
  So I'm just sitting there spitting these out as they come
• 38:37
  kind of thing that is. And in that moment where I say
• 38:40
  we have your son and he's running out of luck guns, that's
• 38:45
  the. Cut and every.
• 38:46
  Everyone starts laughing and then I have to go back in and
• 38:49
  finish it because everyone started laughing.
• 38:51
  So you kept it in. It's in the laughs.
• 38:53
  Are there a sweet? Little fucking Easter egg it.
• 38:56
  It follows the pattern a little. Bit too 'cause I'm pretty.
• 38:58
  Sure. It's like gun, gun, gun, gun,
• 39:00
  like it follows the chug a little bit.
• 39:03
  The loss. Yeah, listen.
• 39:05
  Can't wait to go and listen to that is it?
• 39:07
  On the tracks that you're playing it tonight, of course
• 39:09
  you're not playing it. No, we're not playing it
• 39:11
  tonight. Wasn't that single?
• 39:12
  We had. Yeah, we had.
• 39:13
  To retire it. It's too many blast beats.
• 39:15
  Too many kids don't know what to do for blast beat parts.
• 39:18
  They want to. They want to kick.
• 39:19
  Yeah, I want to try the song. In Europe.
• 39:22
  I have. I think you should have a feel.
• 39:24
  I have a feeling that it's also not.
• 39:26
  Enjoyable. For Leo to play that song, he
• 39:28
  signed up right? You get, I'm saying you get the
• 39:31
  freak that can do the freak shit.
• 39:33
  He signed up. You have to, you have to.
• 39:35
  I just scream here, but I'm saying this one's.
• 39:37
  From the song filleted and. Fucked how did Nana?
• 39:41
  Like fillet and. Fucked.
• 39:43
  I didn't believe that one, didn't play that one.
• 39:45
  That one came from the. Mind of Hunter.
• 39:46
  Yeah, that's a hunter one. Yeah, he.
• 39:49
  He's a great. Lyric.
• 39:49
  Yeah, he you want. Me to tell you the lyric first,
• 39:52
  or you want to tell me what? You're going to love to hear the
• 39:53
  lyric. I know it's about calm.
• 39:54
  Certainly is fourth word in. Yeah, you slurp the calm of the
• 39:58
  mindless. Yeah, masturbating to a fucking
• 40:01
  prophet, a steel vice shoved through your sinus.
• 40:05
  It's too late now, and the pain is promised.
• 40:07
  That's just speaking on. Internet dwellers that.
• 40:12
  Make their personality. And.
• 40:14
  Idolization politicians that have no interest in them.
• 40:17
  It's so interesting that it. Is, I mean, there's a lot of
• 40:20
  values on the on the record, yeah.
• 40:22
  But you know what? I read.
• 40:23
  It as I read it as actual gods, but it's you're using it.
• 40:28
  People are politicians. A lot of we've noticed, a lot of
• 40:31
  people. View politicians as gods.
• 40:34
  As gods, yeah. Oh, based.
• 40:36
  Psycho frame. Nice.
• 40:38
  OK, they're not just hilarious. They.
• 40:41
  Aren't and I would. I just thought they were
• 40:43
  hilarious. I just thought they were funny,
• 40:45
  which I will take. Oh, that.
• 40:47
  If that's all. Anyone that's the best?
• 40:49
  That's the best. The best.
• 40:50
  Kind of like political comedy. Leo would call it like that.
• 40:53
  Lore. Lore.
• 40:54
  Exactly. One of his more normal.
• 40:56
  Words. OK, so that one is also about
• 40:59
  politicians. It's fantastic.
• 41:01
  Yeah, you picked the two that are.
• 41:02
  I mean and. That's a Hunter driven.
• 41:04
  Yeah, Hunter wrote that song. OK.
• 41:05
  So is is this. One about the same sort of thing
• 41:09
  from God is busy. That was me.
• 41:12
  God is busy, distorted. Killings.
• 41:13
  Incarnations of gore. Your deity is a fucking whore.
• 41:18
  Yeah, it's one of. My favorite parts of the
• 41:19
  records. Great.
• 41:20
  Great part. Great line.
• 41:23
  What's going through your head? I just wrote that song about a
• 41:25
  movie. What?
• 41:26
  Movie The Iceman. Never seen it.
• 41:28
  It's the clip. Where he says.
• 41:31
  There's a. Sample in it and then the.
• 41:32
  Clip is like, are you praying? It's I can't remember his name.
• 41:37
  I don't know. It's about, it's about a real
• 41:41
  infamous hit hit man. And it's just a scene from that
• 41:46
  where he's going to kill some of those guys.
• 41:47
  Starts praying. He's like, oh, he's like, oh,
• 41:49
  I'll let you pray. Like, yeah, finished praying.
• 41:51
  Like, yeah, we'll see if he comes and stops me from doing
• 41:53
  what I'm doing. Then he sits there for a while
• 41:55
  and he goes, looks like he's busy.
• 41:57
  Are you? An atheist, I would say I'm.
• 42:02
  Agnostic. I was raised Catholic, went to
• 42:04
  Catholic my whole life, and then I did the thing.
• 42:07
  That's what I'm getting at. Yeah.
• 42:09
  So I. I was raised.
• 42:10
  Catholic. Well Catholic.
• 42:12
  My grandma converted when she moved from Ireland to Canada to
• 42:16
  just Christian. But I went to Catholic school my
• 42:19
  whole life, Sunday school, you name it, I did it all.
• 42:22
  I did the thing where like after high school, I mean anti.
• 42:26
  You know what I mean? I'm like all about it.
• 42:27
  But now I'm at a point in my life where I'm just like, I
• 42:30
  don't know anything. I'm pretty, I don't know.
• 42:32
  So maybe I I believe more in atheism than religion per SE,
• 42:37
  but like, Catholic Church got it going on.
• 42:39
  Yeah, they got some cool shit. Shit looks cool.
• 42:42
  They done so. Fucked up, definitely.
• 42:43
  Looks cool but they definitely. Done some fucking yeah I'm not I
• 42:46
  didn't. I'm not like backing them, but
• 42:47
  from reading some. Lyrics it would.
• 42:49
  Seem the opposite, like you've got a horrible relationship with
• 42:53
  a Catholic God. But now I'm seeing that maybe
• 42:55
  some of that is I'm reading it as God, but it's actually
• 42:59
  politicians. Some of it, yeah.
• 43:00
  You haven't got any. Beef with the.
• 43:02
  Catholic Church I mean, not any. More than anyone else with a
• 43:06
  brain would. Interesting.
• 43:07
  Yeah. And.
• 43:08
  It's more of just like a. Nostalgic thing or just like,
• 43:11
  it's how I was raised. So like, being around a church
• 43:13
  reminds me of my grandma. She's important to me.
• 43:15
  Oh, so it's nice. Yeah.
• 43:17
  Damn. But.
• 43:18
  Like nothing happened. To me in.
• 43:19
  Catholic school and church and shit like that.
• 43:21
  I just like, I'm also like, have a brain.
• 43:24
  And just like perceive. The world for a while and like
• 43:27
  OK, they've done atrocious things yeah absolutely reshaped
• 43:30
  the planet to be the the climate's in so no, I'm not like
• 43:34
  I'm a practicing Catholic, but I feel like I'm the same way I'm a
• 43:37
  bit like. I could see that organized
• 43:39
  religion is wrong and a money grab, right?
• 43:43
  Yeah. I think spiritually I'm like, I
• 43:46
  kind of feel like there's something sure, at least a few
• 43:48
  things I don't know. So I would not.
• 43:51
  I would. Never expel that from, you know.
• 43:54
  I've never been dead, so I don't.
• 43:55
  Know what's after Mike? Never been dead.
• 43:58
  Swear to God I haven't. You haven't found out.
• 44:00
  Now, logically, I would assume you like.
• 44:02
  God, I also super do not. Rock.
• 44:05
  With organized religion. I'm I broke Christian?
• 44:11
  For sure. What do you mean?
• 44:13
  Like what? Do people break edge?
• 44:15
  Oh. Right, OK.
• 44:16
  I said you were a. Christian, I've Yeah.
• 44:17
  I've broke Christian. I breaking Christian.
• 44:21
  It's really fucking I, I think. Now that I'm a little bit older,
• 44:25
  I think actually I find myself like ideologically leaning more
• 44:30
  so like I say, among us all the time, I'm a Christian.
• 44:34
  I'm half joking. I won't.
• 44:37
  I'm not. I refuse to kind of like hop in
• 44:40
  on the organized religion bit but.
• 44:44
  I do. Rock with quite a few things.
• 44:47
  But I also fundamentally disagree with some ideas about
• 44:51
  some things in Christianity and things that are popularized by
• 44:56
  more so like a mass of people than like even what is in text.
• 45:00
  I don't. I don't believe in Christian
• 45:02
  hell. Hell is not an actual place
• 45:06
  that's like referenced in the Bible.
• 45:08
  It's not a destination or a fate.
• 45:10
  The idea of hell in the Bible realistically is a full
• 45:15
  detachment from the presence of God and it's just oblivion.
• 45:20
  It's nothing. It's what you Elder Scrolls
• 45:21
  mentioned. It's what Elder Scrolls back
• 45:24
  that goes back. But like.
• 45:26
  It's it's just kind of like. That is like, realistically what
• 45:29
  you perceived before we were all conscious, right?
• 45:35
  Primordial soup Little. Little bit of a rabbit hole I
• 45:37
  just went. Down.
• 45:38
  But I would I would, I would say that idealistically, like I do
• 45:43
  kind of fall in with that a little bit.
• 45:46
  That being said, I write these fucking hilarious ass lyrics for
• 45:49
  this band. So like I could come off as like
• 45:51
  a terrible Christian to a lot of people, but I think even then
• 45:56
  I'm like loosely identifying. So but if hell, if hell doesn't
• 46:00
  exist, does heaven? Exist.
• 46:02
  That's the idea. It's.
• 46:03
  Either you make it and even then like I don't even think I
• 46:10
  picture. Have you seen this as the end?
• 46:12
  Yes. I I don't think *NSYNC is there
• 46:15
  OK and and and like doing. I don't picture it being.
• 46:18
  I do think that, yeah. I and that's why we need 2.
• 46:20
  Singers for. Me.
• 46:22
  That would be good. For me that.
• 46:24
  Would be good, but. Great quote.
• 46:26
  I I don't think. It's necessarily.
• 46:28
  As. Much like that, I think it's, I
• 46:31
  don't know, like I feel like it'd be just like more ethereal,
• 46:34
  less going on than what that portrayal could possibly be
• 46:37
  putting on, which is a lot yeah. There's a lot in that last like
• 46:41
  5 minutes of movie. This is just really interesting
• 46:44
  to me because. I was referencing.
• 46:45
  This is the end for his. Religious stance.
• 46:47
  That's right. Crazy, right?
• 46:49
  But. I really like I.
• 46:50
  Reading the lyrics I really thought there was some anti
• 46:53
  Christian stuff going on. So maybe you are.
• 46:56
  It is like for sure, there's always that part.
• 46:58
  Of it, there's a lot of parts of those things where I'm like,
• 47:01
  yeah, I'm anti that. I'm anti Catholicism in a
• 47:03
  million ways. Like I I recognize that I'm
• 47:06
  sitting here. Talking there goes hard.
• 47:08
  They are guys. Go.
• 47:10
  Shit. And he, he's like on.
• 47:10
  My viewpoint. I guarantee you there's.
• 47:13
  Someone watching this and he's like listen to this fucking
• 47:15
  Jackass like he sounds like an idiot or whatever.
• 47:18
  But I'm also not elaborating as much as I possibly could because
• 47:24
  who really gives a shit what I think anyways?
• 47:26
  I give so much of A shit. I'm a fan guys.
• 47:29
  I know I'm I'm sat down. With singers, what is your take?
• 47:32
  My take on what? All right.
• 47:33
  Your religious. Stance I don't believe in a a
• 47:36
  Christian. God, I see the, I see the
• 47:39
  symbols. I I don't.
• 47:42
  But I do believe in you. Know.
• 47:48
  You. Yeah.
• 47:49
  Seeing this on me. I don't believe in your world,
• 47:52
  teacher guy. What's a world teacher?
• 47:54
  The. Idea that like every religion.
• 47:56
  Has a world teacher. So like Christianity has Jesus,
• 48:00
  then you have like what? You have Buddha, Allah, you, you
• 48:03
  start going down the list and it's just realistically that
• 48:05
  they're, they're all aligned all the same.
• 48:07
  They all have a world teacher. They're.
• 48:09
  Yeah, not really. I think, I think there is.
• 48:13
  Wow, maybe I'm not agnostic. I think there is a.
• 48:21
  I think. There's something more, and I
• 48:22
  don't know what the fuck it is. We went down a rabbit hole with
• 48:25
  this before on the podcast because I sort of got into
• 48:27
  simulation theory. And then it was a bit like, are
• 48:30
  you just going schizophrenic? Low key?
• 48:32
  Yeah. This might be some, yeah.
• 48:34
  I'm not convinced it's not. Do we all just break out of
• 48:36
  reality? Right now, yeah.
• 48:37
  And yeah. And just.
• 48:38
  Yeah, just. Falls back but.
• 48:40
  I do. I do.
• 48:41
  Believe in some things which you would have to believe in a
• 48:45
  Christian God for. Like, like magic.
• 48:48
  Like I fully believe in the power of.
• 48:54
  The mind. To.
• 48:56
  Create. I do too.
• 48:58
  Like for your dreams and stuff like that.
• 49:01
  I do believe there is something in the ether that you channel
• 49:05
  that can. Make things.
• 49:06
  Happen for you like which falls in manifesting, which falls into
• 49:10
  black magic. But I think all of these
• 49:13
  different types of, you know, Christianity, demonology, all of
• 49:18
  this stuff, I do believe it. Everyone's just found a
• 49:21
  different way to harness whatever is out there.
• 49:25
  But no one actually. Knows what it is, so they.
• 49:27
  Make up these stories to explain what it is and how it happened,
• 49:32
  but everyone and everyone's on the right page but completely
• 49:36
  wrong, if you know what I mean. Sure, I I like the idea that
• 49:38
  everyone can. Believe in whatever they want as
• 49:40
  long as it's not infringing on other human beings ability to be
• 49:44
  humans and do what they want. You know what I mean?
• 49:46
  Yeah. So if you know, believing in
• 49:49
  Christianity or demonology or whatever it is makes you live
• 49:53
  better as yourself, and if you're not out preaching and
• 49:56
  infringing on other human beings in their own ball, I don't care.
• 50:00
  Yeah, as long as you're not like.
• 50:01
  Make yourself happy about it, but.
• 50:03
  Worrying about everyone else. So many.
• 50:04
  Are though. That's the problem.
• 50:06
  That is the problem which honestly I.
• 50:07
  Mean that's half of. What the band talks about
• 50:10
  lyrically too. You were talking about the plot
• 50:12
  to nuke the Midwest earlier. Everyone else shut the fuck up.
• 50:15
  What's? That about it's not one of my
• 50:17
  questions. Opening line is everyone.
• 50:19
  Everybody's got something to fucking say.
• 50:22
  Yeah, fuck what you think that's those are the first opening
• 50:25
  lines. Last line is kill yourself.
• 50:27
  So it's fucking one of the most that's a.
• 50:30
  That's a bookend. You know, it's fucking
• 50:32
  fantastic. I got 11.
• 50:34
  More lyric. I want to go in Minecraft.
• 50:36
  In Minecraft. In Minecraft.
• 50:38
  OK this. Is the best.
• 50:39
  Lyric I've ever heard. This is the best.
• 50:42
  This is the best lyric. And you know what?
• 50:44
  You know? You know what's coming.
• 50:46
  Just him. I can get it all.
• 50:47
  Here we go. This is the.
• 50:49
  Best lyric I've ever heard. OK.
• 50:50
  I need to know who who did it. Blueprints for Idol?
• 50:52
  Yeah, it's Mike. Looks.
• 50:54
  Like you're up shit's Creek. You.
• 50:56
  Where's my hug looking motherfucker?
• 50:59
  Yeah, that's me. Yeah.
• 51:01
  That's. Me.
• 51:02
  You know the worst part? Is to.
• 51:03
  We're in the. Studio and I'm going.
• 51:06
  Why do I? Why am I trying?
• 51:08
  This guy showed up with a comedy routine and I'm like writing
• 51:11
  shit like the other songs where it's like, OK, I'm there some
• 51:14
  like some personal ones and this and that and then he's.
• 51:18
  Writing we should have left you in the.
• 51:19
  Rubber I'm like and it's everyone's favorite every share
• 51:23
  is just you where's my hug looking yeah but do you know why
• 51:25
  I think it is it's. Because it's so out of place
• 51:27
  with the with the musical stuff. I think it's great.
• 51:30
  I think it's fantastic. But in the moment, I'm like,
• 51:34
  like, come on and then feel the same way.
• 51:37
  And then I live in this thing. You.
• 51:40
  You tap, you tap into like the anger of like the normal person
• 51:46
  with that line, like, but it's just set to such angry, angry
• 51:51
  music. I think so.
• 51:53
  Who's that about #1? I'm starting to think nobody
• 51:56
  knows where his hug. Is also that song isn't.
• 51:59
  Like, even about like. A person.
• 52:01
  But that is something I've said about a person to them.
• 52:05
  I've called someone. You.
• 52:06
  Where's my hug looking motherfucker like and that
• 52:10
  person just like damn. Describe what?
• 52:14
  Where's my hug? Looking motherfucker looks like
• 52:16
  not cute, uglier. Than fuck and it's more it's
• 52:20
  more about their attitude than anything.
• 52:22
  Just like someone who's like. It's like everything I dislike
• 52:28
  you fucking. Know more than me, I've seen
• 52:30
  some. Where's my hard looking?
• 52:32
  Motherfuckers talk about that lyric and I've read it and been
• 52:35
  like, it's about you, dude, You wear.
• 52:38
  Some hard looking monsters, many such cases.
• 52:40
  Many. Such cases there are.
• 52:42
  Many there are. Many times I've.
• 52:44
  Seen people align with and love this band and then later on I'm
• 52:48
  just like, unfortunately. You have.
• 52:51
  Fallen into the category that I am just shitting on, and that's
• 52:57
  OK because they still buy stuff I'm gonna cut.
• 53:02
  That. Nope, not cutting.
• 53:04
  Come on, still fucking in there while we're on that song.
• 53:07
  That was me I got. You know what it reminds the 2
• 53:11
  before I go into. This bit OK.
• 53:12
  So you talked about that, You know, you got some serious songs
• 53:16
  in there. Sure.
• 53:16
  Which ones are yours and which ones are serious?
• 53:19
  Not that you're not serious. The title track, Stillwater,
• 53:21
  Yeah. Yeah, that one's pretty
• 53:22
  personal. Just like, I won't say I'm like
• 53:24
  the first person to do it, but just like, you know, battling
• 53:27
  with, wanting to keep going. Yeah, that being like, fuck it.
• 53:31
  It's more like at a time now I'm doing music full time and I'm a
• 53:34
  much happier human being than I've ever been in my 30 years on
• 53:38
  this earth. I worked full time, 9:00 to
• 53:41
  5:00, just the grind every day and very unhappy most days.
• 53:45
  I was just trying to, you know, end the day without deep
• 53:49
  throating A tailpipe. You know what I mean?
• 53:51
  I know. So what were you doing?
• 53:53
  What was your job? I'm an electrician still.
• 53:55
  I was doing it. I still am.
• 53:57
  Yeah, I'm taking it. But I'm like, I don't do it
• 53:58
  anymore. Journeyman.
• 54:00
  Next time, someone. Carhart checks me.
• 54:02
  I've been there, got it with ironed this wet away knees and
• 54:06
  stuff. I got the duck canvas.
• 54:08
  And they're fucking used. That's what's up.
• 54:10
  So. You were like, no, I don't.
• 54:13
  You. I've been on that construction
• 54:15
  site, yeah. Good for you and not.
• 54:17
  A bit of car. It's miserable.
• 54:18
  It's miserable, yeah. I'm broker but happier.
• 54:21
  But I want to die. But I'm happy you're broker.
• 54:23
  But happier now, yeah. On Sam the Brokenness.
• 54:26
  Is only very. Short lived for your band, I
• 54:29
  think. OK, I think you boys are going
• 54:31
  to fuck if I can pay my rent every day.
• 54:33
  And do this, I'm beyond happy. If there's nine people at a show
• 54:36
  and they're spin kicking and like I got to eat that day, I'm
• 54:39
  happy. I have no expectations.
• 54:41
  Yeah, I'm getting by. I.
• 54:44
  Feel like. Everyone in the band is like
• 54:46
  getting. By wait, I'm not buying.
• 54:48
  A car anytime soon. This is our 4th tour of the
• 54:51
  year, I mean. One fucking record.
• 54:53
  As well, though really one real record.
• 54:55
  Yeah. Like to be where you are.
• 54:58
  We played 16 shows. Last year and those were the
• 55:02
  first shows the band ever played.
• 55:03
  So it's the first year is a touring unit and like it's weird
• 55:08
  because the younger guys in the. Band Yeah, it's their first
• 55:10
  record, but like the. Fuck out like I put out.
• 55:14
  Records. I've been putting out records,
• 55:15
  but never with the intention of doing this.
• 55:18
  It was a hobby. My whole music has always been a
• 55:20
  hobby for me. It wasn't until I got that call
• 55:22
  being like, can you do? Vocals and I went.
• 55:26
  Shit, I don't see why not. Yeah.
• 55:28
  Can I quit my job? Yeah.
• 55:29
  We're going to need you to. Yeah.
• 55:31
  Fuck it. I'll do it.
• 55:32
  Fuck yeah. Is that how that happened?
• 55:33
  Pretty much, yeah, because. Did you Did you sing?
• 55:37
  In kid and of his hybrid day yeah, I did that that's just
• 55:40
  like a. That was a thing that never
• 55:42
  should have been real either. I mean, it's fucking awesome.
• 55:45
  That's just me. That's just oh.
• 55:46
  Yeah, I write it all and I eat him, See.
• 55:49
  Yeah. It's so sick.
• 55:51
  Thank you. Great fucking movie as well.
• 55:53
  Thank you. Oh my God.
• 55:55
  People give you shit people talk about.
• 55:56
  And they go. I've been trying to get mad even
• 55:57
  as much. Yeah, it's uncomfortable.
• 55:59
  Shit, in my life you haven't seen no one.
• 56:01
  Should eat spaghetti like. That.
• 56:02
  Guys, that's a weird little motherfucker fucker.
• 56:04
  I love his name. What's the guy's name?
• 56:07
  Fucking witty. Irish.
• 56:09
  Yeah, he's Irish. Yeah, Barry.
• 56:10
  Him eating spaghetti scene. It's funny you.
• 56:12
  Bring that out and everything. Have you seen him in salt wound?
• 56:15
  Salt burn. Salt burn.
• 56:16
  Saltburn. Yes, I have.
• 56:17
  Yeah. Same.
• 56:19
  Same 5 freak. Yeah, he didn't need to do that.
• 56:21
  Great. Hurry, he.
• 56:22
  Didn't need to do those things and they were like just let him
• 56:24
  do things. So you just got the call.
• 56:27
  And we're just like, can you do it?
• 56:28
  So I did that. EP was trying to help.
• 56:30
  Us find somebody before. He yeah, they hit me up.
• 56:32
  Do you know anyone that could do vocals?
• 56:33
  I'm like, shit, no, a couple guys, but like, can you do it?
• 56:37
  Because I did that KSD thing and it was just like a little
• 56:39
  throwaway. I do music all the time and put
• 56:41
  it out for fun, said can you do this?
• 56:44
  I'd never played a show live on a microphone before our first
• 56:49
  tour together, which was last year.
• 56:52
  This year, this year I'm. I have never.
• 56:54
  Bro played his first set. Ever as a front man, April,
• 56:58
  like, yeah, no wonder he's fucking flying.
• 57:00
  Around the stage being getting in your way, he doesn't, but he
• 57:03
  doesn't but he doesn't slow down.
• 57:04
  Either he's he's gotten endless. So OK, I'm I'm going to take
• 57:09
  the. Range just.
• 57:09
  A little bit. He's good at everything, right?
• 57:11
  He's one of those. He's never.
• 57:13
  He's never had to. He's.
• 57:14
  Never been a front man before. I've only ever been a front man.
• 57:19
  Nothing stopping you from sitting down.
• 57:21
  And practicing guitar bro, I am the least Rose played
• 57:23
  expedition. 33. Three times I have anyone's
• 57:26
  guitar he could have learned in that time.
• 57:28
  I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear.
• 57:30
  It suck every. Dick you can think of.
• 57:32
  Right now, Continue. I've been.
• 57:35
  I've been. Screaming in bands since I was
• 57:37
  16 years old, which is now over half my life.
• 57:41
  How old are you? I'm I just?
• 57:43
  Turned 33. We actually both turned 33 on
• 57:45
  the same day because we were born on the same day, same year.
• 57:48
  Insane. That's.
• 57:50
  Twin fucking witch. What does that mean?
• 57:54
  When's your birthday? August 7th.
• 57:56
  August 1990. Two OK, we're all Leo.
• 57:59
  Oh yeah, two days. This whole room.
• 58:01
  Not all me. He's a.
• 58:02
  Pisces, he's a water sign. OK, apparently it's bad, but
• 58:06
  here I am. Still shagging?
• 58:07
  I don't know. So that's Gabby going for
• 58:09
  something. What?
• 58:10
  My girls, a water sign. There we go.
• 58:11
  And I don't, I don't know what that means.
• 58:13
  She knows what it means. OK, so 2.
• 58:15
  Leos in a band, as Leos were known as natural.
• 58:18
  Born leaders, we have high energy, we have like natural
• 58:22
  charisma that could lead to butting of heads on creative
• 58:26
  ideas as both of you are leader types and want to take the
• 58:30
  reins. Being with a water sign though,
• 58:34
  that's why that you say your girlfriend's a water sign
• 58:36
  because oftentimes as a fire sign, Leos are fire signs, water
• 58:40
  signs. There's also a lot of like
• 58:43
  butting of heads because they tend to feel things deeper as
• 58:47
  water signs that she does. I think we.
• 58:49
  Talked on the last. Tour about how every member of
• 58:52
  Psycho Frame is a fire sign. Oh, you probably butt heads a
• 58:55
  lot. Then like you just.
• 58:56
  That's why the music's so aggressive.
• 58:58
  It's all. Fire.
• 58:59
  There's only one leaf. The only one, despite what Leo.
• 59:02
  Says. Virgos are Earth.
• 59:03
  Yeah, there's Earth Hunter is. The only.
• 59:06
  Member of Psycho Frame that is not fire.
• 59:08
  He's not in the van though, he's pulling the.
• 59:10
  Strings. He is not in the van.
• 59:11
  He's pulling. The strings he's got the.
• 59:13
  Guy in the chair, so we've got 2.
• 59:14
  Leo's butting heads I've. Gone off fucking Corsa comedy
• 59:17
  wars fucking talking about. I am pretty good at this, but
• 59:20
  that really this is bro I would never beef.
• 59:22
  Him never be anything serious. We genuinely the only.
• 59:25
  Problems we ever have is like brotherly things where I'm like,
• 59:29
  hey enough and he's like, he'll do that to me too and we're
• 59:31
  like, my bad. Same birthday, same.
• 59:34
  Same year then When do you meet this year?
• 59:36
  Last year? Last.
• 59:37
  Year. Yeah, we were talking about your
• 59:39
  first tour. We've we've been in each other's
• 59:41
  circles. A.
• 59:41
  Million times like us, you know what I mean?
• 59:43
  Like we were in the same vicinity this year, a couple
• 59:47
  months ago. You know what I mean?
• 59:48
  Did we meet at the wedding? No, I would.
• 59:50
  Have had to have gone out of my way.
• 59:51
  To say hi and I don't do that. He ain't going to do that.
• 59:53
  Why didn't I do? It I seen you and I.
• 59:54
  Went I should probably go say hi.
• 59:56
  To him, because we have a million mutual friends yeah, I
• 59:58
  recognize you the minute you. Came in, I was like, I know that
• 1:00:00
  guy, but how do we know him? So I'm.
• 1:00:04
  I've been doing. This for a second.
• 1:00:06
  He shows up, plays his first show as a front man this year,
• 1:00:10
  this calendar year. It's December now, so eight
• 1:00:13
  months ago. He's gutted he is better.
• 1:00:17
  Than. 95% of Front man's that you see this day that have been
• 1:00:23
  doing this for as long as I have it.
• 1:00:25
  Feels good. He's great.
• 1:00:28
  You. Want to lose?
• 1:00:28
  You want to lose just. He's good, good people.
• 1:00:31
  He's getting better. He keeps.
• 1:00:33
  Getting better. I do, yeah.
• 1:00:34
  I like getting. Better, That's my thing.
• 1:00:36
  I feel like your band like. You're saying as long as I can
• 1:00:39
  pay my bills and you're saying, you know, we're doing OK.
• 1:00:41
  I witnessed something this year which just, you know, a lot of
• 1:00:47
  people don't like the band. A lot of people don't think
• 1:00:49
  they're metal or whatever. But I watched Lorna Shaw play to
• 1:00:54
  6000 people at the Pinnacle in Nashville.
• 1:00:57
  Now Nashville is notoriously terrible for shows. 6000 people
• 1:01:03
  watching that many kick drums and pig squeals and 7 1/2 to 8
• 1:01:08
  minute songs, yeah man you can do anything.
• 1:01:11
  Boys. Truly.
• 1:01:12
  Yeah, we're in a Renaissance era.
• 1:01:13
  Of heavy and aggressive music and like the heavier.
• 1:01:16
  And the more funny, arguably because sometimes fucking will
• 1:01:19
  does their whole fucking animal noise.
• 1:01:21
  Yeah, the heavier. And the funnier it.
• 1:01:24
  Is the bigger it can fucking go? Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  Anything that makes people go. What?
• 1:01:28
  The fuck did you just do? I won't pretend like we didn't.
• 1:01:31
  Like act. So like whenever we finished the
• 1:01:34
  vocal tracking and we had been in it and we were exhausted and
• 1:01:38
  we were like, fuck, OK, did we just make something that we even
• 1:01:42
  like kind of thing? And then you walk away and come
• 1:01:46
  back to it like we finished recording.
• 1:01:48
  We spent a month. In the studio doing vocals,
• 1:01:50
  music's all done at this point. Yeah, OK.
• 1:01:52
  And we're just. Cooked, absolutely cooked.
• 1:01:55
  There's a billion lyrics because there's two vocalists, so we
• 1:01:58
  need to say a million things and we finish and we're all just
• 1:02:01
  laying in the studio cooked and we're like, all right, well,
• 1:02:03
  let's listen to it back, make sure it's all good.
• 1:02:05
  And we got to. And we're like, I don't even
• 1:02:09
  like, I don't want to hear. It and then like.
• 1:02:12
  A couple weeks later revisiting like oh this shit bangs, this is
• 1:02:15
  cool. The fun and the jokes were worth
• 1:02:17
  it. Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Yeah, the. Funny songs.
• 1:02:20
  They're doing well it. Turns out being silly can get
• 1:02:22
  you. Somewhere being silly in.
• 1:02:24
  An angry sense. I'll tell you what, it reminds
• 1:02:26
  me of the lyrics and I can't really.
• 1:02:29
  I'm excited to go back and differentiate who's who.
• 1:02:32
  Now I have a little bit more of an idea who writes what.
• 1:02:36
  I get the same feeling I normally like.
• 1:02:40
  I'm I listen to music at the gym and I listen to heavy music at
• 1:02:43
  the gym. I'm at the gym quite a lot.
• 1:02:47
  Shut out Simon. Cut that, Simon.
• 1:02:48
  Do not cut that, Simon. Cut that anyway.
• 1:02:51
  Don't cut it out. I'm in the gym quite a lot so I
• 1:02:53
  listen. That's where I listen to all my
• 1:02:55
  fucking heavy music. I get like the same feeling from
• 1:03:00
  your guys lyrics as I did from Vincent from The Acacia Strain
• 1:03:06
  in like 2003. The on the nose pointing like,
• 1:03:13
  you know, the 1st that first person anger with a hint of
• 1:03:17
  silliness, right, yeah, like I get that.
• 1:03:20
  I want to know who's like your, your lyrical inspiration or is
• 1:03:25
  it just very metaphorically? So I'm like.
• 1:03:28
  I. Don't know if I have like a
• 1:03:29
  main. Inspiration.
• 1:03:30
  But like, the thing that, like, really put me on to like,
• 1:03:32
  metaphorical style, style writing was Keith Buckley.
• 1:03:36
  Yeah, absolutely easy. Go of it.
• 1:03:39
  Oh. My God.
• 1:03:40
  The things he writes. I'm just like he's writing.
• 1:03:42
  Books. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:44
  And like intelligent. Ones and I'm just like what is
• 1:03:47
  he talking about yeah and then I like you look into it and you
• 1:03:50
  learn and whatever and you're just like yeah I like this
• 1:03:53
  that's shit resonated with me that's for Mike.
• 1:03:56
  I don't know. I think I was.
• 1:03:59
  Almost detrimentally metaphorical for a really long
• 1:04:03
  time, and now I've backed off and frames a different process.
• 1:04:07
  For you first it is a different process, but.
• 1:04:09
  Like, I mean, even in church time I feel like I've backed up
• 1:04:12
  a little bit, but really my wife actually kind of put.
• 1:04:19
  Some things into. Perspective about how I write.
• 1:04:21
  My wife is an amazing artist, Iris.
• 1:04:25
  Dot EXE do I say iris? Or do I say?
• 1:04:28
  Iris. I say Iris.
• 1:04:29
  I just say Iris. I just say Iris.
• 1:04:30
  Phenomenal talent, unbelievable on the.
• 1:04:33
  Bad omen. 'S remix.
• 1:04:34
  Album. Yep, what a fucking family that
• 1:04:37
  is. So she's.
• 1:04:39
  You. Know I I bring things to her,
• 1:04:41
  she brings things to me and you know she's given me you know,
• 1:04:47
  critiques this that and the other and at one point she said
• 1:04:52
  the thing that actually stuck with me is why are you not just.
• 1:04:56
  Writing how you. Talk.
• 1:04:58
  Why are you not? Just like.
• 1:04:59
  Kind of just like saying some shit that you would actually say
• 1:05:04
  to somebody. If you were writing a song in
• 1:05:06
  reference to somebody or in reference to how you feel, why
• 1:05:09
  are you not just talking about it?
• 1:05:12
  So unfortunately the way I process.
• 1:05:16
  A lot of that shit. Is by making something about it
• 1:05:19
  be funny and then that's that's how you get you.
• 1:05:22
  Where's my hug looking motherfucker?
• 1:05:23
  You're a funny guy. That work well.
• 1:05:26
  I try to be. I'm not going to pretend like
• 1:05:28
  everything I do or say lands. This is a hard fucking crowd to
• 1:05:31
  deal with. Is it really?
• 1:05:33
  You don't get him. I'm funny.
• 1:05:35
  You're the funny. You are pretty funny.
• 1:05:36
  He's unfortunately he is fucking hilarious.
• 1:05:39
  Funny, talented hair. Fuck this guy.
• 1:05:41
  Although who's saying this bro is beautiful?
• 1:05:44
  Look at that. OK, it's a hot.
• 1:05:46
  Fucking deep right there. I'm not good at taking
• 1:05:49
  compliments. I recognise just.
• 1:05:50
  Anyone at a wedding, bro? That's right.
• 1:05:53
  I saw you on a right. Dude's hot damn.
• 1:05:55
  That's what's up, Yeah. And then you stopped.
• 1:05:57
  Then I was like I've. Seen those smoky eyes before?
• 1:05:59
  Jesus fucking Christ. That's right.
• 1:06:01
  Anyway, back on point. So, Iris, Yeah, you got, well,
• 1:06:04
  you got like, grey, blue. Yeah, I don't know, Hazel Green.
• 1:06:07
  Something going on Hazel with brown?
• 1:06:09
  Sure. I believe you.
• 1:06:11
  Shit is beautiful. Get in.
• 1:06:15
  Get out, get lost in them. I got lost in them.
• 1:06:17
  For a minute. Oh my God.
• 1:06:19
  So Iris helped you in refining your style of lyrics, getting
• 1:06:23
  out of here, getting out of your own.
• 1:06:25
  Head, Yeah. Did that make it easier to do?
• 1:06:27
  I feel like for me, it would make it far easier if I'm trying
• 1:06:29
  to because I stray. We all write the lyrics and
• 1:06:32
  sometimes I want to like this could be a metaphor for this
• 1:06:35
  blah, blah, blah. And then it ends up the lyric is
• 1:06:37
  you stupid fuck. Very similar.
• 1:06:40
  It gets weight. Yeah, when?
• 1:06:41
  When you bring it back and you just, you know, like, and we
• 1:06:46
  talked about this in Vatican too, we would be like, you know,
• 1:06:50
  sometimes one of the easiest and best ways to say fuck you is to
• 1:06:53
  say fuck you. You know, that kind of aspect of
• 1:06:57
  it. And yeah, we actually reached a
• 1:06:59
  point with Psycho. Framework like how many times
• 1:07:01
  can how many ways can you say fuck you?
• 1:07:03
  I'm I think I posed the question. 1st and then everyone
• 1:07:06
  said yeah you're right. Well I like no revives.
• 1:07:08
  There's a part. For the one fucking the one part
• 1:07:10
  he wrote, yeah, in that song. Wait, all the silliest parts of
• 1:07:13
  that song. Fuck your fucking self.
• 1:07:15
  Fuck your fucking self, Fuck your face.
• 1:07:17
  Eat grenades. If.
• 1:07:18
  You weren't as. Heavy as you were.
• 1:07:20
  It would suck, but it because you're so heavy.
• 1:07:24
  I don't know what it is. It comedicly heavy comedicly.
• 1:07:28
  Heavy and then like. Guess what everyone's thinking
• 1:07:31
  as an angry person? Like no one wants to be like you
• 1:07:35
  are. The sun's dimming rays when
• 1:07:38
  they're just fucking angry. They won't say you where they're
• 1:07:41
  all looking, motherfucker. They're all genuine emotions
• 1:07:43
  too. Like when we.
• 1:07:44
  Perform when we write these I'm feeling the shit like I'm mad
• 1:07:48
  you mentioned you took. Too many of your meds the other
• 1:07:51
  day? Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  What meds I'd take. I'd take Adderall.
• 1:07:54
  I'd take Adderall. Yeah, took too many.
• 1:07:56
  Took too many back. Well, the.
• 1:07:58
  The joke is that I have to take a medicine every day to help me
• 1:08:01
  remember to take a medicine well.
• 1:08:04
  What actually happened? Was in the car.
• 1:08:06
  When Mike went for a pee, you looked at me and you said I'm so
• 1:08:09
  sorry if I'm being weird. And I said no, you're not being
• 1:08:12
  weird. And then you're like, genuinely
• 1:08:14
  don't remember if I took it today.
• 1:08:16
  I feel like you're having a little.
• 1:08:17
  I'm learning. Being on tour is like.
• 1:08:19
  It's hard. Like, you know, being on tour
• 1:08:21
  every day is different and blah, blah blah.
• 1:08:23
  And like, there's no real regiment.
• 1:08:25
  So it's like, how do I, I'm not gonna keep a bottle of pills in
• 1:08:28
  my pocket to make sure because I'll probably forget the timer
• 1:08:31
  on your phone. Every day.
• 1:08:32
  Holy fuck, never thought. About it like that you.
• 1:08:35
  Really do have a you're genuinely so.
• 1:08:37
  Smart bro. Crazy when?
• 1:08:39
  Did you get diagnosed? ADHD when I was like 9.
• 1:08:43
  I was like patient zero. They're like trying to buy this
• 1:08:46
  thing. Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  They're like, it's going to be cool in the future, that mom.
• 1:08:49
  'S like no, he's normal. We're not holding him back for
• 1:08:52
  the next three years. And I should have been.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah. I just had a hard time.
• 1:08:55
  I feel like my parents should have taken me there's.
• 1:08:57
  Definitely something that lives in me alongside those things
• 1:09:00
  right, But I'm not going to self thought it's like self like this
• 1:09:02
  kid is not normal There's. Yeah, got to be a reason.
• 1:09:05
  Took me to doctors and they were like, so he's got this thing and
• 1:09:07
  like blah blah, blah. And it was yeah, like I said, I
• 1:09:11
  hid it from everyone to school because I didn't want anyone to
• 1:09:13
  know. I'm like what she said was.
• 1:09:16
  It. Autism was it?
• 1:09:17
  Autism was. Yeah, just like a.
• 1:09:19
  Degree of it, I'm not like. You know.
• 1:09:25
  Start doing that fucking, you know, you know.
• 1:09:29
  I'm not at the. Fucking.
• 1:09:30
  Casino. Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah, I'm. Not like, but it lives in you.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah, I. Hyperfixate I do all the.
• 1:09:36
  Things I'm socially awkward, I'm anxious, blah blah blah, those
• 1:09:39
  things. So, yeah, but you've also got
• 1:09:41
  you. You've.
• 1:09:41
  You've been touched with it because that's why he's so good
• 1:09:44
  at everything. Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Hyperfixation. Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  There's something I'm like, oh, that's cool.
• 1:09:49
  So I'm going to hyperfixate until I'm proficient.
• 1:09:52
  Did you put it in most of the time?
• 1:09:53
  Is it in? Your buyer hell no bound would
• 1:09:56
  be bound to get twice as big it's.
• 1:09:59
  Okay, pop it in the I don't want.
• 1:10:00
  I don't. Want.
• 1:10:01
  Always, like even when I was a kid, I'm like, I don't want to
• 1:10:04
  be recognized as that. Admittedly, I think that
• 1:10:06
  actually. Make your life a lot worse
• 1:10:08
  because it would give a new thing for them to be parasocial
• 1:10:13
  with you about. Yeah, people ask me things a lot
• 1:10:15
  and I'm just. Like he, he gets chosen.
• 1:10:17
  What's your? Parasocial stuff I.
• 1:10:18
  Don't know Nothing, I mean, yeah.
• 1:10:20
  People like that I Now that I'm in this band, I get asked a lot
• 1:10:24
  of like vocal tips, OK, He has no idea I.
• 1:10:28
  Have no fucking. Clue you just I.
• 1:10:30
  Started doing that this year. You warm up.
• 1:10:32
  You ever been mad? No.
• 1:10:33
  You've been. Mad do that?
• 1:10:36
  Yeah. The fuck Yeah.
• 1:10:39
  What about you? You must warm up.
• 1:10:41
  You're a warm up guy. Look at that.
• 1:10:42
  I actually got in trouble. So this is the thing, Mike.
• 1:10:45
  Mike just recently talked about how he's been doing vocals since
• 1:10:48
  he was 16 years old. Yep, predominantly when you're
• 1:10:51
  that young and below, you start screaming into him, Mike, you
• 1:10:54
  don't do it properly and you damage things.
• 1:10:56
  So he had a long time of prolonged.
• 1:10:58
  He's good now, he knows what he's doing and everything, but
• 1:11:00
  because of that damage, you know, he struggles with things
• 1:11:03
  that I don't struggle with because I started doing this
• 1:11:05
  shit this year so I don't have the you do the highs.
• 1:11:08
  You do the lows, Yeah, Mainly, yeah.
• 1:11:10
  Is that the we can do both? There's parts and songs where I.
• 1:11:12
  Do blah blah blah. And so to see there's parts
• 1:11:14
  where he does highs but it's not too much.
• 1:11:16
  We try to just like keep the dichotomy there.
• 1:11:19
  There are nights where he'll. You know, he'll get a little
• 1:11:22
  squirrely and start getting silly with it and I will have to
• 1:11:26
  be like, what do you mean getting silly with it?
• 1:11:28
  Like he'll. He'll just.
• 1:11:30
  There's that, but also sometimes.
• 1:11:31
  The waking, the cadaver he'll force.
• 1:11:33
  The gunpoint to do those? Parts and layer something that
• 1:11:36
  would. Generally just be me but he'll
• 1:11:38
  hit the same tone as me and what I'm saying is he'll show up and
• 1:11:41
  smoke me for like 5 seconds. Give us a mass say damn.
• 1:11:45
  OK, all right. Does it?
• 1:11:47
  Worry you, You're. Gonna get the beat?
• 1:11:49
  Hell no, I'm not doing this shit by.
• 1:11:50
  Myself. No.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, There we go. That's pretty good.
• 1:11:53
  Nah, that's bro who owns. The LLC.
• 1:11:56
  Hunter shit. Could happen.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, you can just get rid of both of them.
• 1:11:59
  I mean he. Can do everything we can do
• 1:12:02
  times 10. I don't want to talk too much
• 1:12:04
  about him. Because he's not here to talk
• 1:12:05
  about it. He he seems to be in a bad
• 1:12:08
  place. Totally.
• 1:12:10
  He's sick. Yes.
• 1:12:11
  Chronically I'll he's fighting every single.
• 1:12:13
  Day so most days you can't get out of bed for the last like.
• 1:12:17
  3-4 years have watched the declination of his health.
• 1:12:23
  I remember before he got diagnosed what it looked like
• 1:12:28
  for him. He was still touring, he was
• 1:12:30
  playing, singing for Mood ring. He also has always masterminded
• 1:12:36
  and he, me and my wife picked him up from Louisville on a tour
• 1:12:43
  where their van exploded. They didn't even finish the tour
• 1:12:47
  came to our house like kind of saw like kind of the ways that
• 1:12:50
  his health was declining and it was something he knew about.
• 1:12:53
  But there's no like face to the name for it or anything just yet
• 1:12:58
  when he got diagnosed and it like started really happening.
• 1:13:02
  I just I I've seen the timeline of the thing play out and it's a
• 1:13:08
  downward hill. Like, you know, it's like kind
• 1:13:10
  of like has it been flow? Like, he has his good days, he
• 1:13:14
  has his bad days, and he kind of just has to feel it out every
• 1:13:19
  single day. When he wakes, he's forced to
• 1:13:20
  stay busy. Obviously you got to pay.
• 1:13:21
  Bills and everything, but when you're ill, it's hard.
• 1:13:24
  So he'll at the stress of, you know, working and dealing with
• 1:13:28
  things and especially in the industry we're in, in management
• 1:13:31
  and two fucking bands and multiple.
• 1:13:33
  Bands right? So like he.
• 1:13:34
  In the stress on his body effects that sickness and it can
• 1:13:38
  decline because of that. And then you'll like, you know,
• 1:13:40
  get better a bit. So what is the sickness?
• 1:13:43
  It is called. CFS chronic fatigue syndrome.
• 1:13:50
  So it is very much close in relation to Long Covic, Long
• 1:13:55
  Covic, Amy and. Those yes, yes.
• 1:13:58
  And he's looked into all of them.
• 1:13:59
  Because they all look so much alike.
• 1:14:02
  God, that's gotta be so fucking frustrating.
• 1:14:04
  It is poor guy. Yeah, genuinely.
• 1:14:08
  And like. You know, we talk about wanting
• 1:14:10
  to do this podcast. I know you guys have talked.
• 1:14:12
  Yeah, we talked. We talked about doing it.
• 1:14:13
  And he was like, bro, I just can't fucking go anywhere, dude.
• 1:14:16
  The the crash. From forcing himself to go
• 1:14:21
  partake in an event it'll. Last like 2 weeks sometimes.
• 1:14:26
  Where he's just like, dude, he wants to beat it.
• 1:14:28
  He wants to. Get out.
• 1:14:29
  He wants to do the things he wants to do.
• 1:14:31
  Wonder if he'd have. He's stubborn as all hell.
• 1:14:32
  Like that's. Why he had to come to him, I'd
• 1:14:35
  love. To talk to him, but obviously I
• 1:14:36
  don't want to fucking put stress on him.
• 1:14:38
  That would be that would be awesome.
• 1:14:40
  He actually sent me your album so early.
• 1:14:42
  I I had your record like beginning of this year.
• 1:14:47
  When damn, whenever you put out before me single whenever you
• 1:14:50
  put out the first single. That wasn't Maybe it was no,
• 1:14:54
  when did feed come out? Feed That's like.
• 1:14:58
  Shit, that might be January. Yeah, I think it was I.
• 1:15:01
  Think Feed came out, I put on my story.
• 1:15:03
  I was like this is fucking sick. And he was like, you want to
• 1:15:05
  hear the album? And he sent it to me and I put
• 1:15:07
  it on and then track 1, The 80 Eights was so insane.
• 1:15:11
  I was just messaging him and I think it was because no, fuck
• 1:15:16
  was it the portal? Maybe it was the portal.
• 1:15:17
  I put on my story and I was like the 80 eights in this song are
• 1:15:20
  fucking ridiculous. And then he replied, I wait till
• 1:15:23
  you hear the ones in the first song.
• 1:15:24
  And he sent me the whole record. And then the 80 eights in
• 1:15:32
  Blueprints are just. So that's the first record.
• 1:15:35
  Yeah, that's the first song. Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  The 80 eights are the funniest fucking thing.
• 1:15:40
  But they're so heavy. Yeah.
• 1:15:42
  I've never, I've never seen an AO8 done like that.
• 1:15:46
  I don't think. I mean, I'm sure they have
• 1:15:47
  happened, but like, it makes the whole mix quiet.
• 1:15:50
  It does do that. And it and yeah, I mean, that
• 1:15:53
  was that was the idea. Just boosted it.
• 1:15:57
  We all laughed and we thought we were joking until about 4 hours
• 1:16:02
  later after we had finished tracking vocals and we said Nah,
• 1:16:05
  let's go, stay. I talked about that with.
• 1:16:07
  Isaac on this podcast before Isaac from not loose like him.
• 1:16:11
  I love Isaac. He's the fucking best.
• 1:16:13
  Him, me, not putting us up in the same fucking echelons as
• 1:16:19
  each other. Him, me, Meshuga.
• 1:16:21
  If something doesn't make me laugh, then it's not going on
• 1:16:26
  the album. Like something heavy has to make
• 1:16:28
  me laugh, right? I think that harks back to like,
• 1:16:31
  why I like your lyrics so much. It's like it's so aggressive
• 1:16:35
  that it's funny, and then that makes me like it more.
• 1:16:38
  Yeah. I mean outside of making.
• 1:16:40
  Sounds like. How else can I contribute to
• 1:16:44
  that feeling? So I that's it.
• 1:16:46
  I don't want to make it seem like I'm I really.
• 1:16:48
  Like it because it's funny. I just, I don't know it's even
• 1:16:50
  if that is I, I'll take it. Straight up, I'll take it.
• 1:16:54
  I think it's just. It's just funny.
• 1:16:55
  Because it's so heavy. If you were slightly less heavy,
• 1:16:59
  it wouldn't be funny. I agree.
• 1:17:00
  Like these kind of shit. Corny as hell.
• 1:17:02
  Yeah, I agree. It'd be like.
• 1:17:04
  It'd be some like. Local metal core band song and I
• 1:17:07
  think we're we're self aware. Enough in the thing that we're
• 1:17:10
  making that we can. That we like saw.
• 1:17:14
  That because when we're, I mean when we're tracking these songs,
• 1:17:17
  there's sometimes upwards of six people in the room all at the
• 1:17:22
  same time. We're tracking in front of each
• 1:17:24
  other. Nothing.
• 1:17:25
  No booth. Yeah, just just.
• 1:17:28
  Next to the engineer who who engineered it, Brandon.
• 1:17:31
  Our bass player. Wow, Leo twins.
• 1:17:35
  Birthday. Wow.
• 1:17:36
  Yeah, he engineered and. We all in house.
• 1:17:40
  We are in house, real. Drums Yosh.
• 1:17:43
  Real snare and. Cymbals, right?
• 1:17:48
  Hunter's going to kill me if I'm wrong.
• 1:17:49
  Wait. Program Toms and kick.
• 1:17:51
  Think so? That's insane the the DLP 2
• 1:17:54
  which we're already. Working on OK we're going full
• 1:17:58
  live room OK, well I'm so. Confused.
• 1:18:02
  Real snare. So I'm talking about the
• 1:18:05
  tracking of. This no, but we got a.
• 1:18:08
  Snare sample made. You should talk to Hunter about
• 1:18:10
  this. Yeah, OK.
• 1:18:11
  This. Is, yeah.
• 1:18:12
  No, it's fun. This is a this is a hunter
• 1:18:15
  question. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:18:16
  But it sounds very real. Here's what I'm getting.
• 1:18:18
  Obviously it's a real snare. Just was wondering.
• 1:18:20
  They're cracks, Brandon. Is an insane all in he.
• 1:18:25
  Mixed it as well. Oh yeah, that's such a good mix.
• 1:18:28
  I think that's a hunter and brands like Studios Digital.
• 1:18:31
  Ghost audio, I think that's another thing, I think the mix.
• 1:18:34
  Is again different enough for it to stand out to me.
• 1:18:38
  Like heavy music sound crazy heavy.
• 1:18:42
  Yeah, heavy music can. Be very formulaic when people go
• 1:18:46
  to the same mixer. Yeah, same mastery.
• 1:18:49
  I don't really care about same mixer, same engineer.
• 1:18:52
  A lot of the times with the heavier stuff, it's like it
• 1:18:55
  doesn't have like it's fingerprint.
• 1:18:57
  Yeah, I know Randy revamped all the.
• 1:18:59
  Guitars. Randy was actually someone.
• 1:19:00
  I was going to mention like the the this year, the other album
• 1:19:04
  that really stood out to me in terms of like aggressive and
• 1:19:07
  sounding different was Orthodox is one.
• 1:19:11
  That record is awesome. Insane.
• 1:19:12
  And again sounds. Sounds.
• 1:19:14
  Sounds crazy. Sounds sounds almost weird.
• 1:19:17
  I I think Randy is. One of like I, I I feel
• 1:19:22
  confident saying like top five engineer, like that's like top
• 1:19:25
  five hang as well. That that 3.
• 1:19:28
  Perhaps 2? What a guy with EQ.
• 1:19:30
  And you add. EQ into the mix.
• 1:19:32
  See EQ's little Carhartt jacket today.
• 1:19:34
  Oh I did. Oh I did.
• 1:19:36
  I saw that shit. I liked it.
• 1:19:38
  OK, I got some some. Questions about where certain
• 1:19:41
  things came from. Whose brain again?
• 1:19:44
  I'm still on blueprints. Yeah.
• 1:19:46
  The Resident Evil 7 sample. Neither of us.
• 1:19:49
  Is that a? Hunter.
• 1:19:50
  That's a Hunter 1. Yeah, that.
• 1:19:52
  And it was a. Different sample.
• 1:19:53
  It did have a different sample from the same.
• 1:19:55
  It's still, yeah. Bro from.
• 1:19:57
  RE-7 you didn't get. It's just a different line.
• 1:19:59
  You didn't get any. What's his name?
• 1:20:01
  Jack. I think, I can't remember.
• 1:20:02
  I think that is Jack. Did you get?
• 1:20:05
  Did you play that game? Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Did you play it in VR? Hell no.
• 1:20:08
  Hell no. But we have that in me we had.
• 1:20:11
  It on a stray. Tour and we had it in VR at the
• 1:20:14
  back lounge of the bus and it would just be play the show.
• 1:20:18
  It's biohazard time in the back of the lounge with the VR
• 1:20:22
  headset post show. Oh.
• 1:20:24
  My God. Scariest fucking?
• 1:20:26
  Shit, ever. Like, scary.
• 1:20:27
  Legitimately. Terrible I.
• 1:20:29
  Don't want to be there? I feel like I'm like the most.
• 1:20:32
  I I think I'm the most fun on tour after a show.
• 1:20:36
  I think before a show, I'm I'm quiet.
• 1:20:39
  I don't. Yeah, I'm freaking out about the
• 1:20:40
  show. Yeah, yeah, Post show, get me on
• 1:20:44
  Biohazard. You can't find me before we play
• 1:20:45
  because I'm pooping. Pooping bro is pooping.
• 1:20:48
  I don't get. Nerves.
• 1:20:49
  I just like I. Think I got a shit.
• 1:20:51
  That is what they call nerves. Right, that's the yeah, but.
• 1:20:55
  I'm not like. What if I go up there?
• 1:20:56
  And fuck up. I'm just like, no, I'm ready to
• 1:20:58
  play. But yeah, that's how you that's.
• 1:21:01
  How I don't, I just go there and I'm just like.
• 1:21:03
  Yeah, I don't. I get it as well.
• 1:21:05
  It doesn't matter if I've shit. Or piss.
• 1:21:07
  But what if I don't go on stage? Try.
• 1:21:09
  And then I get on stage and I'm like, fuck, I really shit.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah. I just don't.
• 1:21:13
  Gamble it and I've seen a handful.
• 1:21:14
  Of people shit themselves. On stage it doesn't look fun.
• 1:21:16
  I've seen Greg for Dillinger. OK, shit on purpose on stage.
• 1:21:20
  Wow, that's something else. Was it as?
• 1:21:22
  Cool as he. Thought it would be.
• 1:21:24
  It was as a. As as a child seeing it, it was
• 1:21:28
  Reading Festival 2001, I believe.
• 1:21:31
  OK. It was the coolest thing I've
• 1:21:34
  ever seen. So like we're talking like I've
• 1:21:36
  never seen. It so I can't everybody.
• 1:21:39
  OK, shit in his. Pants are shit on the stage.
• 1:21:41
  It's. Reading Festival, I think.
• 1:21:42
  Oh. No, it's Reading Festival 2001.
• 1:21:46
  I can't remember who was headlining.
• 1:21:47
  Maybe it was 2000. Maybe it was Rage Against the
• 1:21:49
  Machine. It was like a classic fucking
• 1:21:51
  lineup. OK, There was a little tent that
• 1:21:53
  had a lot of the metal bands and at the time, I hate to say it, a
• 1:21:57
  lot of the Scar bands that I quite like.
• 1:22:00
  Yeah. Hell yeah.
• 1:22:02
  I don't have. I was I.
• 1:22:03
  Was 13. OK, so there there was a band
• 1:22:06
  playing called Dangerous. The Dangerous Escape plan as we
• 1:22:08
  all know. I walked past and then this.
• 1:22:11
  This would have been pre Miss Machine, so this would have been
• 1:22:15
  when Greg was just playing Dimitri songs.
• 1:22:17
  Sure. And I walked past and I hear
• 1:22:19
  just what is noise to my 13 year old brain.
• 1:22:23
  But like an incredible drummer, but just fucking noise.
• 1:22:27
  I go, I watch it and I'm like, I don't understand this, but
• 1:22:30
  obviously it's quite cool. Similar feeling.
• 1:22:32
  First time I heard like square pusher or a fixture and I was
• 1:22:34
  like, this is so odd that's mentioned.
• 1:22:36
  I will make sure. I like.
• 1:22:38
  It yeah, fuck yeah. Love a fixture and then he
• 1:22:42
  proceeds to shit pull down his pants, he said.
• 1:22:46
  There's got. You're going to see.
• 1:22:47
  A lot of shit on that mainstage today, so I can't remember the
• 1:22:51
  rest of the line, but it was like a fucking Arnie quote.
• 1:22:54
  It was like, you're going to see a lot of shit on that mainstage
• 1:22:58
  today, so let me just start it off for you.
• 1:23:00
  And he pulled down his pants, shit in either a towel or like a
• 1:23:05
  plastic bag. I can't remember what it was I
• 1:23:08
  wasn't on the stage on. The stage, The Gigi Allen.
• 1:23:10
  Style right and then swings it and throws it into the crowd.
• 1:23:15
  I wouldn't kill myself. I'm gone if.
• 1:23:16
  That hit me immediately. I would kill my.
• 1:23:19
  Favorite fucking band I bought. Fucking calculating Infinity the
• 1:23:23
  following we trust Like this is just fantastic, but we got on to
• 1:23:27
  that. You shitting your pants on bro
• 1:23:29
  shit himself in front of. God and everybody and then threw
• 1:23:32
  it at them. He has fucked.
• 1:23:34
  He. He shot himself.
• 1:23:35
  He shot everyone. There's pants.
• 1:23:38
  Four of them. That's amazing.
• 1:23:39
  It was fun, somebody. Had to do it.
• 1:23:41
  I don't know if it's cool, but I.
• 1:23:42
  Do know it's awesome to a 13 year old, it's the coolest
• 1:23:45
  thing. In the world for sure.
• 1:23:46
  True. I'm trying to tap into that 13
• 1:23:48
  I. Probably would have thought it
• 1:23:49
  was the coolest shit I've ever seen.
• 1:23:50
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  ADHD. Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  I'm much. Yeah, freshly medicated.
• 1:23:53
  Yeah, what the? Fuck what the fuck Stemming.
• 1:23:58
  The tongue. Told you I'm a drummer.
• 1:24:01
  Bro, my drum face. Is horrendous too dude, I
• 1:24:05
  remember. So you did.
• 1:24:06
  That World of pleasure run after we did our Angel Maker tour and
• 1:24:09
  I, because you played drums on that tour and I do remember
• 1:24:12
  taking a mental note being like, bro looks hilarious playing the
• 1:24:16
  drum, concentrating drum. Yeah, it's the lock in.
• 1:24:18
  Face if you haven't got. Like I, you're mogging everyone
• 1:24:21
  when you drum. Yeah, but I'm like.
• 1:24:23
  I'm. Like I'm fighting for my.
• 1:24:25
  Very sexy, yeah. Yeah, you look, you're doing it.
• 1:24:27
  You figured. It out only the photos you see.
• 1:24:30
  Sure, you watch the videos. In the videos they're like
• 1:24:34
  there's a still that happens to be a good photo and it's in
• 1:24:37
  between this sure. But that's it.
• 1:24:41
  But look. That if I know you and that's I
• 1:24:44
  still don't my worst one is this So what do you think the.
• 1:24:46
  Average person sees. If I lick in my ear.
• 1:24:49
  I don't know. Why I'm doing I'm just talking
• 1:24:51
  drums and. Honestly, you get.
• 1:24:53
  That you know what? We get the worst photos you've
• 1:24:56
  ever seen of us in your life? Yeah, being a vocalist, I feel
• 1:24:58
  like. Being a drum is worse than being
• 1:25:00
  a. Vocalist for folks.
• 1:25:01
  I've done both. Damn, this is worse.
• 1:25:03
  You are. Authorized.
• 1:25:05
  Yeah, straight up, dude, it's worse.
• 1:25:07
  Vocalist. Worse.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, 2. Of you, First off, you're on a
• 1:25:10
  stage, everyone. 'S looking up at you.
• 1:25:12
  Listen straight. It has.
• 1:25:13
  My entire lineage comes from Scotland.
• 1:25:15
  We don't have the strongest jawline bro.
• 1:25:17
  Same. OK.
• 1:25:19
  Why do you have a strong jaw? Because I got my neck.
• 1:25:21
  Towed and I grew. A fucking beard.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah, exactly. That's why you did it.
• 1:25:24
  My whole family. Cuthbertson.
• 1:25:26
  I got a fake. Oh yeah, I got a.
• 1:25:27
  Fake chin, yeah, but I need, I need to distend.
• 1:25:30
  My jaw to scream. So I'm like, I'm like, now I
• 1:25:35
  don't have a jaw. And photographers are like dope.
• 1:25:39
  He looks awesome. Let me post.
• 1:25:40
  It and tag him, yeah. 1st on the reel.
• 1:25:43
  And then we're like collab with the.
• 1:25:45
  Post too. You'll be, you know, like, come
• 1:25:46
  on, dude, it's cool. For sure.
• 1:25:49
  Those ones, no. There's some.
• 1:25:50
  Good ones but there's more bad ones.
• 1:25:52
  One in 50. He's handsome as shit.
• 1:25:54
  He's got a good jawline. He's doing it.
• 1:25:56
  He's he's great. He's got very few bad ones,
• 1:25:59
  minor majority. I'm just like, K, he maybe,
• 1:26:01
  maybe doesn't mean it. You mean that?
• 1:26:03
  I mean that shit? Thank.
• 1:26:04
  You beanie on when you're playing or beanie.
• 1:26:05
  Off do you hack off and I? I usually don't.
• 1:26:08
  Play with a hat on. I'm probably going to play with
• 1:26:10
  a hat on tonight because having ears and I the the the wire for
• 1:26:16
  them doesn't let you know how like you can like bend it and
• 1:26:19
  it'll like yeah, it goes around. This one doesn't.
• 1:26:21
  Look who made them whose ears you got.
• 1:26:23
  China. China, Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  I don't know you. Need to go it's.
• 1:26:26
  Not it's not. It's not.
• 1:26:28
  It's not even. Like a pair, It's it's not even
• 1:26:30
  a pair of like, you know, like the sure ones that like, oh,
• 1:26:33
  they're not molded, They're just fucking.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah. Yeah, they're just I'm.
• 1:26:38
  Going to be spraying and praying.
• 1:26:39
  Tonight I got a good pair of 60. Fours the what's the word,
• 1:26:45
  universal. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:48
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• 1:26:49
  A lot of numbers to me and go. You should try this number and I
• 1:26:52
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• 1:26:54
  Just didn't you get a pair from Brandon earlier today?
• 1:26:57
  No, he didn't give it to me. He's like they, they.
• 1:26:59
  They're finicky. They're like kind of work, and I
• 1:27:01
  was. Just like I'll just.
• 1:27:01
  Play with no in here. Fuck it, I think I don't.
• 1:27:04
  This isn't. A cut, but I think in that box
• 1:27:07
  there I have some shores and some 64 universals.
• 1:27:11
  If I do or down to birth me, I'm so in.
• 1:27:14
  You can take them and I wouldn't I'd.
• 1:27:16
  Try it and sound check tomorrow. Sure, I'll kiss you on the
• 1:27:18
  mouth, but 64? You've been you.
• 1:27:20
  Know I've been trying to get that since you've since you've
• 1:27:22
  stepped in the fucking room. You already did the Smokey eye.
• 1:27:25
  Stare The wedding. The wedding.
• 1:27:27
  With her and I'm looking at this guy check this fuck yeah see
• 1:27:30
  what see what can make happen for the.
• 1:27:32
  Record when you do go to molds. I did them all.
• 1:27:35
  I did, Jhi did use the other fucking ultimate ears, 64 of the
• 1:27:39
  only ones that will stay in your fucking ears and you don't like
• 1:27:43
  I've got a pair that I haven't. You're supposed to get them
• 1:27:45
  remoulded every three or four years.
• 1:27:48
  And I've had these. Does your shit change like your
• 1:27:50
  ears? And your nose.
• 1:27:51
  Grow for your. Entire life I thought it was
• 1:27:53
  just the lowest. Hell no.
• 1:27:54
  My. Ears are bigger than.
• 1:27:55
  Fuck inside. Inside the whole.
• 1:27:58
  Thing I. I wish I never knew that.
• 1:28:00
  That just that just feels like some shit I showed.
• 1:28:03
  Go take a look at an. Old man next time you see an old
• 1:28:06
  man take a real good Oh yeah, that conch yeah, I know that the
• 1:28:10
  big ass your big ass nose yeah they.
• 1:28:12
  Go. Yeah.
• 1:28:12
  And then they start getting. Hair growing out of the.
• 1:28:14
  Tip of their nose I've stopped bro on.
• 1:28:17
  My fucking. Earlobes.
• 1:28:18
  Earlobes. Yeah, see, I stretched my.
• 1:28:19
  Inside, there's nothing the they just got the like dinner flap.
• 1:28:24
  I got the. Vagina right here or.
• 1:28:25
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• 1:28:30
  even as old as me I haven't got any.
• 1:28:32
  In my years yet, but I get my feeling wow wow wow wow you just
• 1:28:35
  look. Like I do.
• 1:28:36
  No, I don't. Think about it.
• 1:28:38
  Sounds like you don't. Sounds like you swear to.
• 1:28:40
  God, I swear to God, I feel like you'd.
• 1:28:42
  Like see. It and you'd be like, it's going
• 1:28:45
  to stop other girls talking to him.
• 1:28:47
  Let's fucking leave that in there.
• 1:28:48
  Craig, what's your favorite Christmas movie?
• 1:28:51
  Great fucking question. Straight up.
• 1:28:53
  And actually may have shoehorned your episode earlier by dating
• 1:28:57
  it to Christmas, so that was good.
• 1:28:59
  It's an intrusive thought, but I'm I.
• 1:29:01
  Yeah, I just want to know. I have my answer.
• 1:29:04
  Great. Segment I thought that Simon cut
• 1:29:07
  out Mike suggesting this. No, I don't my.
• 1:29:12
  Favorite Christmas movie I'm. Not going to say the one.
• 1:29:18
  Right, because it's just such a fucking There's a guy with
• 1:29:20
  muscles, of course, that's his favorite Christmas movie.
• 1:29:23
  So I'm going to go in like we should die hard.
• 1:29:25
  OK, Oh, OK. It's just a great it's.
• 1:29:27
  Just a great movie. It's just a great movie.
• 1:29:29
  I'm not putting it in there with Christmas movies.
• 1:29:32
  Now it's a Christmas movie, but it is easier.
• 1:29:35
  But Jingle all the way. I was literally going to stab me
• 1:29:37
  out. Dab me the fuck out.
• 1:29:39
  That's the one. That is the.
• 1:29:40
  One. It is the one.
• 1:29:42
  Yeah, Do you? Know the tragic story behind
• 1:29:45
  Jingle All the Way? Yeah.
• 1:29:47
  Yes. Someone dying, right?
• 1:29:50
  The annoying neighbor. I've got sweaty hands by the way
• 1:29:53
  guys, Sorry about those damn UPS.
• 1:29:55
  You've never Dave. Our guitar.
• 1:29:58
  Player. Sweatiest.
• 1:29:59
  Sweatiest hands? They're clean.
• 1:30:01
  The guy that. Plays the annoying neighbor.
• 1:30:03
  Yeah, who sounds? A bit like.
• 1:30:06
  Ned Flanders but doesn't voice Ned Flanders.
• 1:30:08
  Sure, his wife IRL. Madison's Googling this Hell
• 1:30:14
  yeah IRL murder suicide him. OK, I didn't know.
• 1:30:19
  Him. Him.
• 1:30:20
  Damn, I mean I. You know, when you think about
• 1:30:22
  it, I never seen him playing anything after Yeah, because he
• 1:30:25
  was fucking dead. Damn, that'll happen part.
• 1:30:29
  Of me when I. Watch that film.
• 1:30:31
  I'm like if. He was like that all the time.
• 1:30:37
  You would too kind of get it get.
• 1:30:42
  It that's a. Joke, I do watch every single
• 1:30:44
  Harry Potter. I don't.
• 1:30:45
  I don't watch it intently, but I watch every Harry Potter movie
• 1:30:47
  in December because they all have.
• 1:30:49
  And when I was a kid, I don't know.
• 1:30:52
  Around Christmas, we'd watch a Harry Potter.
• 1:30:54
  Movie with my family, kind of. She's a pothead as well.
• 1:30:56
  She's a pothead. And say I'm a Potter head, I
• 1:30:59
  just like put them on. I mean, that's being a pothead.
• 1:31:01
  Sure, okay, once yearly. Watch that's a.
• 1:31:04
  Pothead. Yeah, like I just I.
• 1:31:06
  Know people that are into Harry Potter and I like, don't hold a
• 1:31:08
  candle to them, so you know what I mean?
• 1:31:10
  Yeah, like her. She's got the fucking.
• 1:31:12
  Tattoos and everything. Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 1:31:14
  I'm not. You don't know what you're the
• 1:31:16
  shits on. I'm there.
• 1:31:18
  I mean, I, I, yeah, I'm. The same I fuck with it.
• 1:31:21
  I could probably tell you a lot about it, but it feels good to
• 1:31:23
  have it on. Around.
• 1:31:24
  Christmas, I'm not just going to tell you.
• 1:31:26
  Have you got this? Story for me because Brynn
• 1:31:28
  Hartman. Shot Phil three times with a .38
• 1:31:32
  calibre handgun while he was sleeping.
• 1:31:35
  Twice in the head, once in the right side.
• 1:31:36
  He reportedly died instantly. OK, I said.
• 1:31:39
  It wasn't murder suicide. It's just.
• 1:31:40
  Straight up old fact. Straight up murder.
• 1:31:43
  It had an argument. Assassination.
• 1:31:45
  Yeah, that's just that's just OG.
• 1:31:46
  What year was that? Oh, she did.
• 1:31:48
  Commit suicide after Yeah. Murder.
• 1:31:49
  She was like, what year? That was 19. 98 May 28 What year
• 1:31:54
  did Jingle all the way? 96 Seminole Classic Yeah, I want
• 1:31:58
  to say 96979696. Two years.
• 1:32:02
  Post Jingle and he got fucking sent.
• 1:32:05
  Such a bright future all the way.
• 1:32:07
  Yeah, bro, I mean. I was damn.
• 1:32:10
  Yeah, that's crazy. Is that your favorite Christmas
• 1:32:12
  film, too? That just landed with me.
• 1:32:13
  That was awesome. The joke, but yeah, it just.
• 1:32:16
  Yeah, that it just landed. Yeah, Come on.
• 1:32:19
  Is that yours as well? What's what's?
• 1:32:21
  Yours or do you just want to tap up?
• 1:32:23
  We can't even have a discussion. I just got excited.
• 1:32:25
  We can't even have a discussion. Because we've all got the same
• 1:32:29
  What's your favorite Christmas movie?
• 1:32:32
  Oh, let me fucking. Guess with your.
• 1:32:34
  Cobwebs and all that shit. Nightmare before that.
• 1:32:38
  One is I feel like everyone's. Favorite Christmas movie?
• 1:32:41
  It's good like that. Ones a year round movie for me.
• 1:32:42
  I'll watch it Halloween, I'll watch it Christmas.
• 1:32:44
  I'll watch it year round. Sure.
• 1:32:45
  I wanna say technically the Jim version of the Grinch.
• 1:32:50
  Jim Carrey Grinch. That is a fucking banger.
• 1:32:52
  I. Might take it back.
• 1:32:53
  That might be it. Jingle all the ways.
• 1:32:56
  I don't know. It's it's dope and it's like
• 1:32:58
  slept on. So it feels good to be like, you
• 1:33:01
  know, this one. Not a lot of people do.
• 1:33:03
  I fucking like that one. The EP Yeah, right.
• 1:33:06
  Yeah, I like the. Demo type shit when he's in The
• 1:33:09
  Cave and he's like. Doing the back and forth Jim
• 1:33:11
  Carrey's just echoed voice. And shut out Canadians.
• 1:33:13
  You're an idiot. He's Canadian.
• 1:33:15
  Fuck yeah he is. Yeah.
• 1:33:16
  Everyone that's dope is. Canadian.
• 1:33:17
  Are you Canadian? Yes bro.
• 1:33:19
  You want a visa for this? Yes.
• 1:33:22
  Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:23
  No, I. Actually do the.
• 1:33:23
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• 1:33:29
  Don't be fucked. Devil One.
• 1:33:31
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• 1:33:33
  AP2P2. I'm gonna get a no.
• 1:33:36
  One they give you shit on the. I'm not.
• 1:33:37
  I'm not not. Worthy enough?
• 1:33:39
  For a no one yet. Do they give you shit on the
• 1:33:40
  border? No.
• 1:33:41
  I used to get shit on AP and now I'm gonna know that like P2.
• 1:33:45
  Well, here I. Welcome back I'll only.
• 1:33:48
  Yeah, I'll only. Yeah, once I get an O1 I'll be
• 1:33:50
  like, let me fuck you. Yeah, no P2 because and I always
• 1:33:55
  do customs pre in Canada. Yeah, so they start getting
• 1:33:59
  weird. I'll go OK, I'm going.
• 1:34:01
  They never have. But if if that's what we're all
• 1:34:03
  on the Internet that you things can get crazy at the border
• 1:34:06
  going to America. Yeah, I deleted all of my shit.
• 1:34:09
  As I just don't want them to go Yeah every time they used.
• 1:34:13
  To do it with Australia. And they'd be like, oh cool, so
• 1:34:15
  it's a bam. What does it sound like?
• 1:34:17
  And my brain goes raging in. Metal.
• 1:34:20
  Metal. Like I want to.
• 1:34:22
  Say raging. It's a machine and it's like
• 1:34:24
  every like, oh, like Pantera. And I'm like, yeah, the meantime
• 1:34:27
  someone asks me. Or anyone really me I get I
• 1:34:31
  what's your? Band name, Psycho friend.
• 1:34:33
  They go what's that sound like metal?
• 1:34:36
  That's why I haven't heard of it, right?
• 1:34:39
  Or or if they reference. A band.
• 1:34:41
  Like. Metallica.
• 1:34:42
  It's always Metallica. They'll be like, oh, is it?
• 1:34:44
  Like Metallica, I'd just. Go worse.
• 1:34:46
  Worse. Yeah.
• 1:34:48
  If someone knows Matt. When they do.
• 1:34:50
  Say track that Metallica's awesome fuck.
• 1:34:52
  Yeah, my favorite band Will Straight.
• 1:34:53
  Up. Straight up.
• 1:34:54
  Yeah. Black Album.
• 1:34:56
  Changed my life as a kid. Sick.
• 1:34:57
  Well, ADHD. Brain low key yeah Intro.
• 1:35:02
  To hardcore, yeah. Black Album, straight up, I
• 1:35:05
  mean. Holier than thou, when it drops
• 1:35:09
  the bass and drums, it's like the heaviest thing I've ever
• 1:35:12
  heard of. Straight up.
• 1:35:12
  I thought about Metallica all the time.
• 1:35:15
  We can't talk about Metallica. We're running that fucking time.
• 1:35:17
  All right. Christmas movies.
• 1:35:18
  Yours is the Grinch. Ours is Jingle all the way.
• 1:35:20
  Yep. There any I might change mine to
• 1:35:22
  the Grinch. The.
• 1:35:22
  Imperial Grinch, Gremlins 1. Anyone.
• 1:35:27
  No. No.
• 1:35:27
  What was it? Gremlins One.
• 1:35:30
  No, not a. Gremlins guy, I can't.
• 1:35:33
  Think I don't dislike it I. Got nothing bad to say about.
• 1:35:35
  I don't know if I've consciously watched it.
• 1:35:37
  I'll probably. Watch it as a kid but like, I
• 1:35:38
  don't think I was ever conscious until I hit about 22.
• 1:35:41
  It's pretty. It's pretty good.
• 1:35:43
  It's a pretty good movie. Who's the?
• 1:35:46
  Anime Fan. Both of us, pretty well all of
• 1:35:49
  us. Both of us, definitely Hunter as
• 1:35:51
  well. Brandon likes anime, Leo does.
• 1:35:54
  Leo likes anime. I think Dave's the.
• 1:35:56
  Only person who doesn't. Inverted Spear of Heaven.
• 1:36:00
  That's AU. How fast he slapped.
• 1:36:01
  Himself that's AU it's a it's a great song.
• 1:36:04
  I love that song Jujitsu Kaizen reference I had just.
• 1:36:08
  I didn't watch it until literally like 2 weeks before
• 1:36:12
  going to the studio and I just put it off.
• 1:36:15
  The first season didn't, I didn't love it.
• 1:36:17
  I was like, it's pretty sub. It's like standard, yeah.
• 1:36:20
  Nothing I haven't seen. I'm like, this is fine, but
• 1:36:22
  everyone's telling me it's the best and all this stuff and I'm
• 1:36:25
  like a big chainsaw man. This.
• 1:36:27
  Is what I need because I'm exactly the same and I haven't
• 1:36:30
  done it. All about Chainsaw man second
• 1:36:32
  season. Hits bro first episode.
• 1:36:35
  I'm like, is this the? Same show.
• 1:36:36
  Yeah, really? What the fuck is going on?
• 1:36:39
  Animation change, Pacing changes, music changes,
• 1:36:42
  everything. I'm like oh because I think I
• 1:36:44
  tried the first. Episode like 3 times and I was
• 1:36:47
  like I'm not first season Madison is screaming and I see I
• 1:36:51
  that JJK is my. Favorite I cosplay, I love it.
• 1:36:54
  It's great. Ghetto.
• 1:36:54
  I cosplay Sakuna. That's my favorite 1 and I'm
• 1:36:57
  gonna answer the fuck we're going to see.
• 1:36:59
  The movie on this I got. I got a lot of the skins.
• 1:37:02
  In Fortnite, I I need to I need to.
• 1:37:04
  Get and I like the I like that there's only two seasons in a
• 1:37:08
  movie. Build up on that first season.
• 1:37:09
  Watch it. That you get through and you're
• 1:37:11
  like. That was fine.
• 1:37:12
  Second. Season starts and you're like
• 1:37:14
  holy shit I. Love that I love.
• 1:37:17
  The phone. Like.
• 1:37:18
  Where movies are coming in and taking the place of doing arcs.
• 1:37:22
  So like so the chainsaw man movie with haven't seen it yet
• 1:37:27
  Reza arc? Yeah, I haven't seen it.
• 1:37:28
  It's. So good I've seen.
• 1:37:29
  Loudest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life.
• 1:37:31
  No, we went to an IMAX. I went when.
• 1:37:33
  We were in London. I went and watched it that
• 1:37:34
  morning by myself and it was Oh no, I went with Sam.
• 1:37:36
  I wish he never watched an anime in his life.
• 1:37:40
  Shut out Sam. Yeah, I took.
• 1:37:41
  Him, he was like. What are you doing?
• 1:37:42
  I'm like going to a movie. He's like, I'm I'm bored, I'm
• 1:37:45
  coming, I'm bored, I'm bored. And then he never watched anime
• 1:37:49
  and he. We walked.
• 1:37:50
  Out of that and I was like, I know that shit probably was
• 1:37:52
  crazy to you. And he was like, no, it was
• 1:37:54
  good, I liked it. And he was telling people I was
• 1:37:55
  like, this shit must be good. Yeah, if he's fire, awesome.
• 1:38:00
  Yeah. But like, if you never watch
• 1:38:01
  anime and you're like, OK, I feel like that's what is going.
• 1:38:05
  On here. People on.
• 1:38:06
  Sure. Yeah, I think it's a good first.
• 1:38:08
  It's a gateway. It's like fucking.
• 1:38:10
  Wacky. You know what else was a little
• 1:38:12
  bit slow burner? And then the second season was
• 1:38:15
  phenomenal solo levelling. Did you do that?
• 1:38:18
  Second season was. Where I fell off really.
• 1:38:21
  I haven't finished it yet. I actually don't like.
• 1:38:23
  Any of solo levelling anime? Read the whole manga, love it.
• 1:38:28
  Oh, it's not as good. As the manga, I think the and I
• 1:38:30
  and I don't really. Hold this opinion about like
• 1:38:32
  almost any other series, but I do legitimately think the manga
• 1:38:35
  is better than the anime. Interesting what?
• 1:38:39
  Else was a better? Not really.
• 1:38:42
  Anime, but Arcane. Second season of Arcane.
• 1:38:45
  I don't know anything about that.
• 1:38:46
  The fucking. Best first season?
• 1:38:48
  I liked the first season. Have you done the second season?
• 1:38:50
  Is that the league of? Legends.
• 1:38:51
  Yeah, OK. I've never.
• 1:38:53
  Played League of Legends I. Actively make fun of my friends
• 1:38:55
  that play it. Never watch.
• 1:38:57
  The first season I was like yeah show's fucking awesome.
• 1:39:00
  Second season 8 goes fucking. Bananas.
• 1:39:02
  Yeah. OK, I got to talk to you, demon.
• 1:39:04
  Slayer has a close. First season, I do not care for
• 1:39:07
  the first season. Even that, that one, that one,
• 1:39:09
  genuinely. Nowhere near as my problem is
• 1:39:11
  any other piece of material related to it.
• 1:39:14
  The fucking problem is the first season versus the.
• 1:39:16
  Rest yeah, first season of Demon Slayer.
• 1:39:18
  It there's nothing. It's not bad.
• 1:39:20
  I mean, I've I've done it. It's.
• 1:39:21
  All fine I think maybe I've done. 1 1/2.
• 1:39:24
  Seasons of demon Slayer and then I just got annoyed that there's
• 1:39:27
  fucking 8. How many seasons is there?
• 1:39:30
  No, including. Movies I don't follow.
• 1:39:33
  If you include the movies. Which sometimes.
• 1:39:35
  They turn into their own short seasons after the fact, which
• 1:39:39
  makes no fucking. Sense.
• 1:39:42
  It's got to be like 6 seasons. Yeah, that's not including the
• 1:39:45
  movies. That's why I need to get in on
• 1:39:46
  this. JJK while I can do it 4-4 and
• 1:39:50
  then how many movies 2 train? One and.
• 1:39:56
  They. Just released, I haven't seen
• 1:39:57
  the movie The newest. Movie which is about the.
• 1:40:00
  Infinity Castle, Yes, thank you. Here's the thing when you start.
• 1:40:03
  Off with the goats. Like Berserk and Evangelion,
• 1:40:06
  everything you watch after that, especially at the start, you're
• 1:40:08
  like, this is just, this is just Evangelion again.
• 1:40:10
  It did take me a while. Like Madison's been responsible
• 1:40:14
  for my anime reawakening. It really took me a while to
• 1:40:19
  like. Any style of?
• 1:40:21
  Animation that didn't look 90s, That's when I was growing up and
• 1:40:24
  like, I just love the 90s fucking look.
• 1:40:27
  And now shout out Studio Trigger.
• 1:40:29
  They're holding it down, yeah. Now I can a pleasure punk.
• 1:40:31
  I'm done. The Cyberpunk 10, it's so good.
• 1:40:33
  It was so good. That game, you know, whenever it
• 1:40:36
  first dropped, everyone was like, it's, it was just.
• 1:40:39
  You know not. A game.
• 1:40:41
  I watched the anime. That's why I and then I played
• 1:40:45
  the game because I got I liked the show that much.
• 1:40:48
  I was like, I keep hanging out here.
• 1:40:49
  That's kind of what I do with the podcast.
• 1:40:51
  There'll be people right now watching this and they're like,
• 1:40:54
  I like those guys, I don't know the band, and they're gonna go.
• 1:40:57
  They make themselves like the band through this, sure.
• 1:41:00
  And then they become a fan. Sure.
• 1:41:02
  What if they're like, I like this band?
• 1:41:03
  I'm. Gonna check this out.
• 1:41:05
  These guys suck. I'm not going to listen to them
• 1:41:06
  anymore. It could be happening rarely.
• 1:41:08
  Happens rarely happens. It'd be awesome.
• 1:41:11
  I I liken it to like I know I liked.
• 1:41:14
  Bands seen something they did on like an interview or something.
• 1:41:16
  I'm like, yeah, I don't. Fuck these people have what it
• 1:41:18
  takes to ruin it. Yeah, sometimes I I think.
• 1:41:21
  Yeah, maybe mainly if they're cringe.
• 1:41:25
  Define. Cringe you where's?
• 1:41:26
  My heart looking, yeah, there's the spectrum, there's.
• 1:41:30
  The cringe. Spectrum.
• 1:41:31
  I like to. I liked every time I died before
• 1:41:36
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• 1:41:39
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• 1:41:40
  And I was like, yeah, Oh my God, this is my favorite man.
• 1:41:43
  And then I put it on. Luckily it was good.
• 1:41:44
  Thank God. Thank God it was fucking good.
• 1:41:48
  That's what I try and do here. Anyway, we are.
• 1:41:49
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• 1:41:51
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• 1:41:52
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• 1:41:53
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• 1:41:56
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• 1:41:58
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• 1:41:59
  You're done. You've done the thing.
• 1:42:00
  One of the best days of my life. They took you in, Alex.
• 1:42:02
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• 1:42:05
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• 1:42:07
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• 1:42:11
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• 1:42:13
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• 1:42:15
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• 1:42:18
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• 1:42:20
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• 1:42:21
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• 1:42:25
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• 1:42:26
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• 1:42:29
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• 1:42:32
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• 1:42:35
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• 1:42:38
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• 1:42:41
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• 1:42:43
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• 1:42:44
  Much cool shit there. So like me, I nerded way the
• 1:42:48
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• 1:42:51
  Just a collection of mostly Dragon Ball Z stuff, but a lot
• 1:42:57
  of this is at least 20 years old or so.
• 1:43:00
  I know the little room that you're talking.
• 1:43:01
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• 1:43:03
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• 1:43:06
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• 1:43:10
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• 1:43:13
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• 1:43:18
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• 1:43:22
  that they handed out for the original Budokai or like Legacy
• 1:43:28
  of Goku to the Game Boy Advance game.
• 1:43:30
  I'm the the Dragon Ball guy. So that shit, that that shit
• 1:43:35
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• 1:43:39
  Voice there. That guy's such a fucking
• 1:43:41
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• 1:43:42
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• 1:43:46
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• 1:43:48
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• 1:43:49
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• 1:43:51
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• 1:43:54
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• 1:43:59
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• 1:44:02
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• 1:44:06
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• 1:44:09
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• 1:44:11
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• 1:44:15
  And he was like, I think we could maybe sort something out
• 1:44:17
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• 1:44:21
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• 1:44:22
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• 1:44:23
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• 1:44:25
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• 1:44:27
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• 1:44:30
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• 1:44:32
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• 1:44:34
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• 1:44:36
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• 1:44:37
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• 1:44:39
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• 1:44:42
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• 1:44:47
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• 1:44:50
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• 1:44:55
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• 1:44:57
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• 1:44:59
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• 1:45:03
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• 1:45:05
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• 1:45:08
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• 1:45:11
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• 1:45:15
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• 1:45:19
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• 1:45:22
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• 1:45:26
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• 1:45:29
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• 1:45:35
  room is where they have a little gazebo got a little swing swing
• 1:45:39
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• 1:45:41
  Some other some other chode lives there now.
• 1:45:44
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• 1:45:49
  I have to walk. Like 5. 100 feet down the
• 1:45:51
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• 1:45:54
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• 1:45:56
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• 1:46:02
  There they are outside, Outside. What temperature was it?
• 1:46:05
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• 1:46:06
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• 1:46:07
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• 1:46:09
  This is summer. Summer.
• 1:46:10
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• 1:46:13
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• 1:46:15
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• 1:46:17
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• 1:46:18
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• 1:46:21
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• 1:46:22
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• 1:46:25
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• 1:46:28
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• 1:46:32
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• 1:46:34
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• 1:46:38
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• 1:46:42
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• 1:46:44
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• 1:46:50
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• 1:46:54
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• 1:46:57
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• 1:46:59
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• 1:47:00
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• 1:47:03
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• 1:47:04
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• 1:47:09
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• 1:47:10
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• 1:47:12
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• 1:47:14
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• 1:47:15
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• 1:47:17
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• 1:47:20
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• 1:47:24
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• 1:47:28
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• 1:47:31
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• 1:47:33
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• 1:47:36
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• 1:47:43
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• 1:47:45
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• 1:47:50
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• 1:47:53
  head he would love. The idea that I experienced
• 1:47:56
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• 1:47:57
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• 1:47:59
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• 1:48:01
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• 1:48:03
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• 1:48:11
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• 1:48:15
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• 1:48:19
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• 1:48:21
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• 1:48:23
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• 1:48:26
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• 1:48:46
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• 1:48:48
  Did you do me a 2 truths and a lie or don't you care?
• 1:48:51
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• 1:48:52
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• 1:48:53
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• 1:48:55
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• 1:48:58
  Truths that you saw your mum and dad fuck now OK then we're.
• 1:49:04
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• 1:49:05
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• 1:49:08
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• 1:49:11
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• 1:49:17
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• 1:49:21
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• 1:49:23
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• 1:49:27
  I watched Fight Club when I was nine years old before bed, OK?
• 1:49:32
  That's fantastic. I really.
• 1:49:34
  Hope that's true. Carry on.
• 1:49:35
  Next one to. In high school I got arrested
• 1:49:40
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• 1:49:44
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• 1:49:47
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• 1:49:53
  I have a cat. With diagnosed.
• 1:49:55
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• 1:50:01
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• 1:50:04
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• 1:50:08
  You know the name of this medication?
• 1:50:10
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• 1:50:14
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• 1:50:17
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• 1:50:21
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• 1:50:22
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• 1:50:26
  A dog that. Had a phantom pregnancy, which
• 1:50:30
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• 1:50:33
  tits swell up and it's not funny.
• 1:50:37
  The little dog knockers swell up.
• 1:50:41
  You're saying dog knockers and you're.
• 1:50:43
  Saying it's not funny bro are we dead ass?
• 1:50:46
  You just said so anyway, so she had to take.
• 1:50:48
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• 1:50:51
  I was dabbling in different things.
• 1:50:52
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• 1:50:57
  people, men who would get a similar thing where they would
• 1:51:02
  start milking out their tits. It's like a hormone imbalance.
• 1:51:05
  It basically drops down your Proactin which gives you breast
• 1:51:11
  milk. Anyway, so I googled it and I
• 1:51:13
  was like, what are the symptoms? And the symptoms were no sorry.
• 1:51:18
  The side effects for a person were no refractory period after
• 1:51:23
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• 1:51:28
  What from this dog's? Medications.
• 1:51:31
  I was like. Fuck yeah, let me take this
• 1:51:32
  dog's medication and see what happens.
• 1:51:34
  Put a couple of bets on, but it wasn't anything like crazy.
• 1:51:37
  When was the last time? You had a casino?
• 1:51:40
  I can't remember. I can't remember.
• 1:51:41
  But the the infinite nuts thing did work.
• 1:51:45
  It wasn't infinite, but like you could not and then not again, it
• 1:51:48
  was kind of crazy. But anyway, so back to your
• 1:51:50
  story. How many, how many times a day
• 1:51:53
  does she have to have it? Just once a day.
• 1:51:57
  I'm bored of this one, I'm going to the next one, OK?
• 1:52:01
  This one seems too true. OK.
• 1:52:02
  You got arrested for buying alcohol for your friends.
• 1:52:06
  Yeah. What was the name on your fake
• 1:52:08
  ID? Mclovin fucking knew it.
• 1:52:10
  Yeah. Yeah, I.
• 1:52:12
  Knew it, so that's the lie. Yeah, and then, which would make
• 1:52:16
  the first story true? Yeah.
• 1:52:19
  You watched Fight Club 28 times. Yeah, because I want to be like
• 1:52:23
  Fred Durst. That was one of the most
• 1:52:25
  believable. Things he's ever said.
• 1:52:27
  Which is why I thought it was so funny.
• 1:52:28
  It all circles back to the ADHD. And then what?
• 1:52:31
  What happened when you watched that?
• 1:52:32
  28th time got around around time 17 were you like OK when
• 1:52:37
  something supposed to happen I started punching holes in
• 1:52:39
  drywall a. Lot the cap.
• 1:52:42
  Became red, yeah. Mario thing no.
• 1:52:46
  Yeah, movie is fine. You can't has anxiety.
• 1:52:49
  Sorry to. Cut back Jeff really bad.
• 1:52:52
  And it's and it's aggressive anxiety.
• 1:52:54
  So when she gets scared or unsettled or whatever, she
• 1:52:56
  doesn't run and hide. She's like one of us is dying
• 1:52:58
  right now. I feel like Jeep might have
• 1:53:00
  anxiety. That sounds very similar.
• 1:53:02
  If someone startles her, she doesn't know.
• 1:53:04
  Or something's going on. She's uncomfortable.
• 1:53:05
  She's like, OK, me and you. What's happening?
• 1:53:07
  One of us dies. Abigail.
• 1:53:09
  Abigail. Which brings me to my next
• 1:53:10
  point. What the fuck is your dog's
• 1:53:12
  name? Halo 3.
• 1:53:14
  The dog your. Your dog's name.
• 1:53:17
  Is your dog. 'S name is Halo 3.
• 1:53:22
  All right, all right, I get it. Forget you can.
• 1:53:23
  Sing you can. Your dog's name is Halo 3.
• 1:53:26
  Halo 3. Why do you?
• 1:53:27
  Seem. Annoyed about this.
• 1:53:29
  Question. No, I'm serious about it.
• 1:53:31
  He's that's. It why?
• 1:53:32
  Is it the same with dogs I love? It it's not funny, Yeah.
• 1:53:35
  I mean, it's good, right? So I actually didn't come up
• 1:53:37
  with her name. Maddie, my wife did.
• 1:53:40
  She came I originally. Went.
• 1:53:42
  Into looking for a dog, thinking that I was going to name a dog
• 1:53:46
  Bone Saw based off of Tobey Maguire's first Spider Man
• 1:53:50
  movie, The wrestler he fights in the cage.
• 1:53:52
  Bone Saw is ready. I could talk about.
• 1:53:55
  Marvel all day but for. Sure, continue Halo.
• 1:53:59
  Is not a bone saw personality wise.
• 1:54:03
  Oh, OK. And not that.
• 1:54:05
  I not that I have. Like a a perfect vision for who
• 1:54:08
  Bone saw is as a dog, but it just, it didn't land.
• 1:54:13
  And so for about 36 hours, she was unnamed.
• 1:54:18
  I mean, she was called Katara at the shelter because the pattern
• 1:54:22
  in the back of her neck is an arrow.
• 1:54:25
  So they just gave her the name Katara, kind of like Last
• 1:54:28
  Airbender. But you know, a Aang was a boy.
• 1:54:32
  So what? I don't know.
• 1:54:34
  And she just said, what if we name her Halo three?
• 1:54:38
  It just stuck. Specifically Halo three, though
• 1:54:41
  it's. One of the best games ever made.
• 1:54:43
  They're not two or one or. Just Halo.
• 1:54:45
  Halo 3's goaded 33. I mean, it is, yeah.
• 1:54:48
  But it's very specific as a name.
• 1:54:50
  As a name, the 3rd of a trilogy is kind of, I mean, the whole
• 1:54:54
  thing's crazy. I love it.
• 1:54:55
  I'm all for it. What sort of nicknames you give?
• 1:54:57
  In Halo. 3 Balo OK. Yeah, she's being bad.
• 1:55:03
  The classic. B Abigail Babs.
• 1:55:06
  There we go. I call her chicken butt.
• 1:55:08
  Actually, I call her. Gary when she's being a.
• 1:55:09
  Shit head Gary. Gary Abu Gary.
• 1:55:12
  Abu Gary, she's got this face. She's just.
• 1:55:14
  Like. When she hasn't had her meds,
• 1:55:16
  When. She's when she's taken too many
• 1:55:17
  of her meds, She forgot. Just like her dad.
• 1:55:20
  Yeah, just like her bloody dad. You know they do say.
• 1:55:23
  That, you know, your pet takes after you.
• 1:55:26
  Yeah, you know. I feel like there is some
• 1:55:29
  anxious and. Aggressive.
• 1:55:29
  You ever seen someone that looks?
• 1:55:30
  So much. Like their pet that it is kind
• 1:55:35
  of like worrying. Yeah, but I feel like people
• 1:55:38
  turn into their pets like rather than.
• 1:55:41
  They pick a pet that. Looks like them.
• 1:55:42
  Pitbull boxer. Yeah. 100% badass.
• 1:55:46
  Yeah, you look like a darker. Justin.
• 1:55:48
  Timberlake. I get that off.
• 1:55:49
  He got that yesterday randomly someone walking by.
• 1:55:51
  I do get JT quite a lot. Doesn't mean.
• 1:55:53
  There's fucking worse people to look.
• 1:55:54
  Like, yeah, this is kind of not matter.
• 1:55:57
  I've been told I look like, well, the the.
• 1:55:58
  New one is what's his face, Norman?
• 1:56:02
  Reedus people give me, yeah. Here's Yeah, you've got Norman,
• 1:56:05
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• 1:56:06
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• 1:56:08
  universe Norman Reedus and Justin Timberlake, you should
• 1:56:12
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• 1:56:14
  Wearing. Yesterday.
• 1:56:15
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• 1:56:16
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• 1:56:19
  Jacket, he looked like he was in death.
• 1:56:20
  Stranded. Was he carrying gear bro?
• 1:56:22
  He's. Wearing gore tests.
• 1:56:24
  Right now on me. Yeah, just play the game bro.
• 1:56:27
  You. Don't have to live it.
• 1:56:30
  I haven't played the second. 1 yet I haven't.
• 1:56:31
  Finished yet, but it is good. I switched to Xbox I'll.
• 1:56:34
  Never know this why real answer. The altruist in me.
• 1:56:42
  Gave my PlayStation to my nephew because my sister couldn't
• 1:56:46
  afford one. And then I got a branded deal
• 1:56:50
  with Diablo to promote Diablo 4. And I was like, I don't have a
• 1:56:55
  games console. And they went, we'll send you an
• 1:56:57
  Xbox. And I went thank you, thanks
• 1:56:58
  very much. I gave my PS4.
• 1:57:03
  To my. Nephew who all his friends.
• 1:57:05
  Had PS fours and he didn't. He had an Xbox so he couldn't
• 1:57:09
  play with any of his friends so I gave it to him.
• 1:57:11
  So I regret it. I had PT on it which is like
• 1:57:14
  sorry did I? Oh my God, I've got the same.
• 1:57:15
  Story bro I regret it every day I.
• 1:57:18
  Can't even get it back. Yeah, I'm mad.
• 1:57:20
  No, he didn't play it. He wiped the whole thing, so
• 1:57:22
  it's gone. I was like so I have every.
• 1:57:25
  Single copy of Silent Hill like. Everything pristine.
• 1:57:27
  I have a big Silent Hill collection that's my like
• 1:57:30
  ultimate hyper obsession and I gave away my PT.
• 1:57:34
  Oh he loved he FFI. Have a lot of feelings about it.
• 1:57:37
  But he likes the game you. Don't have time.
• 1:57:39
  I don't have time. You don't have time for it.
• 1:57:41
  I thought we had the same story. I gave my PS4 to my nephew, it
• 1:57:46
  had PT on it, he was like 6 years old and motherfucker
• 1:57:49
  played that shit and like was. Crying.
• 1:57:52
  It was a whole fucking thing and I don't change delete it though.
• 1:57:56
  But I recently found that you could sell those with PT.
• 1:57:58
  Yeah, I'll get that back. I'll buy it off you.
• 1:58:01
  He can have it. He's.
• 1:58:02
  Probably old enough to play PT now.
• 1:58:04
  I'm going to text him. Like, yeah, PT, I'll buy it off
• 1:58:06
  him. We need to do your two truths
• 1:58:07
  and a lot. Oh yeah, for sure.
• 1:58:09
  Sidetracked by animals. Mine were off the Dome.
• 1:58:12
  I just want to say that. Yeah.
• 1:58:13
  And always I just want to say. If you hate this segment, just
• 1:58:15
  tell me you hate this segment because I'd like to.
• 1:58:17
  Oh, do you normally do this? Yes.
• 1:58:19
  It's like. Sometimes, if sometimes the
• 1:58:22
  people can't be bothered, I like to just offer it.
• 1:58:25
  I wish I delivered the second one better.
• 1:58:27
  You just delivered the. Synopsis of Superbad I thought
• 1:58:31
  it was Brandon Never. Seen it before I I thought,
• 1:58:33
  yeah, I mean. She's never seen it before
• 1:58:35
  either. Brandon, OK, It's Puerto Rican.
• 1:58:37
  It's not. It's like.
• 1:58:38
  Asian, yeah. It's a white guy.
• 1:58:41
  It's a white boy movie. He'll tell you.
• 1:58:42
  He'll tell you. He's like.
• 1:58:43
  This is white people shit. And his, his thing right now is
• 1:58:49
  he says I'm trying to learn about your shit.
• 1:58:50
  I'm trying to learn about your. It's tapping into rocket fight,
• 1:58:53
  Yeah. So whenever I ask.
• 1:58:55
  Him like Lord of the Rings questions and he's just sitting
• 1:58:57
  there like, will you shut the fuck up?
• 1:58:58
  Oh man, we could really talk. About Lord of the Rings, bro
• 1:59:00
  does not know what. Land or or which tower Sourman
• 1:59:04
  is the Lord of I? I just got them all in VHS.
• 1:59:07
  Like a collector's thing, you follow airplane.
• 1:59:11
  Fax with Max on Instagram. We ever seen that guy?
• 1:59:14
  He's an airplane mechanic and he like, he's like a legitimate
• 1:59:18
  airplane mechanic. And all he does is he will, like
• 1:59:22
  something will happen in the news about a fuselage or
• 1:59:25
  something in a plane and he'll explain what the fuselage is.
• 1:59:29
  Is that's really hard to do. Yeah.
• 1:59:31
  He'll explain what it is. And while he's talking about,
• 1:59:33
  you know, this is the part of the plane that does this, unlike
• 1:59:37
  in the Lord of the Rings. And then he goes off on this
• 1:59:39
  like they're like two or three minute long autistic rant.
• 1:59:43
  Yeah, specifically Lord of the Rings related.
• 1:59:46
  And people have called him out like, you're not doing this from
• 1:59:47
  memory. And he's done it with mirrors
• 1:59:49
  and stuff. The guy's just a Rolodex
• 1:59:51
  anyways. A fuck.
• 1:59:52
  I always want to say I'm a fan of Lord of the Rings then.
• 1:59:54
  I know guys like that exist and I'm like, I like it.
• 1:59:56
  I'm the same. She's kind of like that.
• 1:59:58
  I like the movies, right? I'm not fucking.
• 2:00:01
  I got, I got the silver million. I got it.
• 2:00:03
  I'm not like I'm there, but I can't.
• 2:00:05
  I can't, I'm not doing that. Retain the info it all.
• 2:00:08
  Circles back. Give me these.
• 2:00:10
  Two troops in my life, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:00:11
  For sure so. It's my bad I have gotten
• 2:00:14
  scabies twice on the same tour. I so gross.
• 2:00:18
  I once. Almost got.
• 2:00:19
  My elementary school PE teacher fired and was a missing person's
• 2:00:24
  case. And I once received.
• 2:00:28
  A cease and desist from Martin Shkreli.
• 2:00:30
  Now What's scabies? And is that the thing?
• 2:00:32
  Pirates get no but when I told. When when I had.
• 2:00:36
  Made mention. Of this to Brandon that was his
• 2:00:39
  response. He goes, Is that the shit
• 2:00:40
  Pirates get? What is Scabies?
• 2:00:43
  Scabies are. Microscopic mites that Burrow
• 2:00:48
  into your skin. It is not a sign that you are
• 2:00:51
  gross, but it is. But it is a sign that where you
• 2:00:54
  went was gross. The word is gross.
• 2:00:56
  So they Burrow into your skin and burst an animal.
• 2:01:00
  It's a whole thing. It's an itchy rash.
• 2:01:02
  It is. So.
• 2:01:03
  Unbelievably unpleasant and they even acting really.
• 2:01:08
  Well, or this one's true. They get in your crap, they get
• 2:01:10
  in those too. Much rubbishes we didn't tell
• 2:01:12
  each other our. Things so I'm.
• 2:01:14
  Like, I don't know, where was it?
• 2:01:16
  Hands. Tits.
• 2:01:19
  Crotch. Gross.
• 2:01:20
  Yeah. Crotch they go for.
• 2:01:23
  That's crevice. And moisture sounds pretty
• 2:01:25
  crabby. Crevice and moisture.
• 2:01:28
  Many crevices. In your hands.
• 2:01:30
  I mean, it's a simple life. What?
• 2:01:33
  What was that door? Oh.
• 2:01:34
  God this had to have been like 20. 1314 and I stayed in quite
• 2:01:42
  gross spot and I want to say it was definitely in like
• 2:01:46
  Appalachia. It's like that part of the
• 2:01:48
  country. No, I don't want to be that guy,
• 2:01:50
  but. If I was, it was, it was a rough
• 2:01:53
  one. It was a rough one and.
• 2:01:55
  Yeah, got it twice. Twice on the same toys as you
• 2:01:58
  got rid of it. Treated.
• 2:01:59
  Treated with what? Shit, what is?
• 2:02:00
  It called It's a cream. Like some anti it's a.
• 2:02:03
  It's a cream and has like. Cortico steroids.
• 2:02:06
  It's like cream. Yeah, it's like a certain you
• 2:02:08
  can only have a. Certain percentage of it within
• 2:02:09
  the cream because it is like poison, yeah, but it's how it
• 2:02:13
  absorbs it absorbs into the skin, kills the mites.
• 2:02:16
  You got rid of it, but. If you've.
• 2:02:19
  Contracted scabies once your second time you're going to
• 2:02:23
  you're going to feel the symptoms of it way faster
• 2:02:26
  because the what they've burrowed in you even if it is
• 2:02:31
  microscopic, it's still there. So if you come in contact with
• 2:02:34
  it again, they the trail has already been blazed
• 2:02:38
  reactivating. They're fallen brothers.
• 2:02:42
  Jesus Christ. OK, so you get it a second time.
• 2:02:45
  Yeah. In the same in the same hotel or
• 2:02:47
  just the equally shit hotel? Do you think you just didn't
• 2:02:49
  wash your box as well? No, I I think I did a pretty
• 2:02:52
  good. Job.
• 2:02:53
  I mean it very well could have just like still existed on
• 2:02:56
  something and then got me again. Could have been the same thing,
• 2:03:00
  but for the sake of the story I definitely say you.
• 2:03:03
  Know I just. Got it twice.
• 2:03:05
  OK, you're either incredibly good at.
• 2:03:06
  Acting or I believe that one is true, so let's move on your high
• 2:03:12
  school teacher, grade elementary, elementary school
• 2:03:15
  teacher. So the story.
• 2:03:17
  Here is so I'm in the 5th grade, which means I'm eleven years old
• 2:03:23
  and I was a very sensitive kid. Some would say I'm sensitive
• 2:03:30
  today, but most? But my hug, yeah.
• 2:03:37
  He's still. Looking for it.
• 2:03:39
  He's looking for. It so it's, you know, it's some.
• 2:03:41
  Recess gym class Shit, I'm pretty sure it was gym class.
• 2:03:43
  Or I'll say it wouldn't be my PE teacher specifically who is the
• 2:03:47
  subject here, but we're playing capture the flag.
• 2:03:50
  I'm going fast. I have a flag.
• 2:03:53
  I'm going. Right.
• 2:03:54
  All of a sudden I start hearing behind me this girl Ariel say
• 2:03:59
  he's cheating, he's cheating. I would like to clarify, I do
• 2:04:02
  not think you tag like touching my shirt if you're chasing me.
• 2:04:06
  And if I don't feel that, I don't consider that attack.
• 2:04:09
  I don't think that constitutes as A tag, especially when I'm
• 2:04:12
  going. Fast as fuck she.
• 2:04:14
  I don't know, I hope. I I'll set the record straight.
• 2:04:18
  I still stand on business. I was not cheating.
• 2:04:20
  I was not cheating. So anyways, she.
• 2:04:22
  Says he's cheating and then her whole team which is everyone in
• 2:04:27
  my grade. How old is she?
• 2:04:29
  Same grade. 11, Bitch. Bitch.
• 2:04:32
  Everyone's. Turned on me.
• 2:04:33
  I'm a cheater, apparently. I know I didn't.
• 2:04:35
  I'm just fast as fuck and I'm mad.
• 2:04:38
  I get, you know, I start crying. There's a slide, probably 25
• 2:04:43
  feet, you know, diagonally to me and I go and I sit in that slide
• 2:04:49
  for 2 1/2 hours. Gym class ends, everyone goes to
• 2:04:52
  class. No one notices at first that I
• 2:04:55
  haven't showed back up nor did I notice that the cops had showed
• 2:05:00
  up looking for me. Everyone thought I was gone and,
• 2:05:04
  you know, could have been abducted, ran away, whatever.
• 2:05:07
  I just went and sat in the slide and you got called a cheater.
• 2:05:10
  I recall a. Cheater.
• 2:05:11
  And it did that shit. Just fucked me up real bad.
• 2:05:14
  He's the one on the spectrum. Derek.
• 2:05:18
  You. Sit there with his big ass
• 2:05:19
  sword. Just.
• 2:05:20
  Feeling bad? Yeah, I.
• 2:05:23
  Listen, I'm normal as fuck. I'm.
• 2:05:26
  Normal as fuck. Derek Krebs found me in that
• 2:05:29
  slide after that like 2 1/2 hours.
• 2:05:32
  I then ran into that that PE teacher later on in life in my
• 2:05:38
  senior year of high school when I like I basically got to be
• 2:05:44
  like a camp counselor for like a weekend.
• 2:05:47
  It was like a school trip where then I was a camp counselor to
• 2:05:50
  kids who were in the 5th grade at the time.
• 2:05:53
  I had that experience reversed when I was in the 5th grade and
• 2:05:55
  I thought it was so cool. We went to this place called
• 2:05:57
  Bradford Woods, had to sign off with that teacher.
• 2:06:01
  She didn't recognize me at first.
• 2:06:03
  And when she did recognize me, I found.
• 2:06:07
  Out what PTSD looked. Like, for the first time,
• 2:06:09
  really. Oh.
• 2:06:11
  I saw. Everything I saw Vietnam behind
• 2:06:15
  behind her in loads of trouble and she.
• 2:06:17
  And like she wanted. To jump at me.
• 2:06:20
  Oh, she was so pissed at it. Oh.
• 2:06:22
  Yeah, she she I. Could tell the first thing she
• 2:06:24
  felt was anger and then it was like a so that was some time
• 2:06:28
  ago, you're legally speaking an adult now so things have to have
• 2:06:31
  changed, right? Damn.
• 2:06:35
  Martin, Charlie. Was the.
• 2:06:38
  Previous owner of the unreleased Wu Tang record and who famously,
• 2:06:41
  That's what I Was going to say spiked.
• 2:06:43
  Insulin prices, Yeah, I was. Going to say what?
• 2:06:46
  What was your? Season assist.
• 2:06:48
  For. Making fucking HIV vaccines or
• 2:06:51
  whatever he's trying to kill next.
• 2:06:53
  So he used to get on. Instagram Live and he had a
• 2:06:58
  burner number that people would call and he would answer on
• 2:07:01
  Instagram live and people would answer or people would call and
• 2:07:05
  he answers. They say some cryptic bullshit
• 2:07:08
  like I heard one guy say when the game.
• 2:07:12
  Ends. All of the chess pieces still go
• 2:07:15
  into the same box as the king and he would be like, that was
• 2:07:20
  fucking profound, hangs up on them or whatever.
• 2:07:23
  Me and my friends, we would call and we had Pester and we wanted
• 2:07:29
  him to give our friend Chris. We wanted him to send $5 on cash
• 2:07:35
  app to our friend Chris. That was it.
• 2:07:37
  Just just to. You know.
• 2:07:39
  Yeah, we just like, yeah, we got Martin him.
• 2:07:41
  Jacking up insulin prices. Yes.
• 2:07:44
  He's hated. I didn't.
• 2:07:45
  Yeah, I know he's a. Fucking piece of shit but like
• 2:07:47
  why is he getting well this call in thing he just kind of was
• 2:07:51
  like 1 of. Those guys who was so
• 2:07:54
  universally hated and just tapped in on that and it kept
• 2:07:57
  attention for him and I think he knew he was going to go to
• 2:08:00
  prison some like, you know, in less than five years and he's
• 2:08:03
  like, so I'll just be like, you know, professional gold medal
• 2:08:06
  cock sucker. So anyways, we call him and our
• 2:08:11
  bit is send our friend Chris 5 bucks on cash app.
• 2:08:14
  He did not like that. And instead of you know, just
• 2:08:18
  getting hung up on, he would stay on the phone with us for 30
• 2:08:21
  minutes at a time. We got on the phone multiple
• 2:08:23
  times with him upwards of 10 and it did get so bad that he
• 2:08:27
  started doxing us. So our friends Vlade and Ilya,
• 2:08:33
  they would all, you know it, it would kind of be a changing of
• 2:08:36
  hands of who's on the phone with him.
• 2:08:39
  And it was them this time, fighting back and.
• 2:08:43
  Forth says he. Calls their dad's house, leaves
• 2:08:46
  a voicemail, whole thing. Our whole goal was to either get
• 2:08:50
  5 bucks or a cease and desist and I got one of those.
• 2:08:54
  You got a cease and desist Where and you?
• 2:08:56
  Have it in writing. Is there an e-mail?
• 2:08:57
  Framed. Framed.
• 2:09:00
  That was the. Goal I lived.
• 2:09:01
  With like 8. Other guys, you were his.
• 2:09:02
  Put a girl on what? What year was this?
• 2:09:05
  162016 you. Have to talk about.
• 2:09:09
  Wait, what was that I? Said you were his, Put a girl
• 2:09:11
  on. I don't know what that is.
• 2:09:12
  This guy have pranks. Calls places and.
• 2:09:14
  Just says put a girl on. Oh yeah, I know they're.
• 2:09:17
  Going in Ohio, his name is Taylor.
• 2:09:19
  Don't. Fuck with him, but those videos
• 2:09:20
  are funny. Apparently he's going to prison
• 2:09:22
  that. Reads he's I don't know anything
• 2:09:24
  about. That.
• 2:09:25
  So now he's. I seen a video.
• 2:09:27
  I don't follow him too much closely, but apparently he
• 2:09:29
  posted a video being like nice walk back.
• 2:09:31
  Yeah, textbook walk back. Awesome stuff.
• 2:09:34
  It's. Hit you fucking all the back.
• 2:09:35
  That's right there. Now it's real good.
• 2:09:37
  I could learn from you what is happening.
• 2:09:40
  OK, OK, fuck. All three are so convincing.
• 2:09:45
  So we can start at the beginning with the.
• 2:09:46
  Scabies, I feel like. I feel like I could, I can do
• 2:09:50
  it. There's there's so many names
• 2:09:52
  and there's so many names and places involved in the second
• 2:09:57
  two that I feel like. Those are true.
• 2:10:01
  And then I feel like perhaps you got scabies once on a tour and
• 2:10:05
  you've created a lie that you got it twice on the tour.
• 2:10:08
  That's my final answer. It's true.
• 2:10:11
  That one's true. That one's true.
• 2:10:13
  So there is there a lie or you give me 3 truths?
• 2:10:17
  It's got to be Shkreli, Shkreli. Shkreli is a lie.
• 2:10:20
  Shkreli is a lie. OK, I got.
• 2:10:21
  Nothing. You got nothing.
• 2:10:23
  But you weren't trying. But we.
• 2:10:24
  Were that all that other? Stuff like him doxing and all
• 2:10:27
  that that happened but you want you're doxing.
• 2:10:30
  The doxing happened. He phoned, yeah, he phoned our
• 2:10:33
  friend's. Parents that he left a
• 2:10:36
  voicemail, he said, hey, your son fucking Elijah, because it's
• 2:10:42
  spelled that way, but it's Ilya. Like your son's being a real
• 2:10:47
  fucking piece of shit and he needs to get a fucking job and
• 2:10:50
  probably try and be someone like Martin Shkreli who is successful
• 2:10:54
  and strong. Was that his lawyer?
• 2:10:55
  Was that him him. Was that a voicemail?
• 2:10:58
  Well, he. Talked like he was, you know?
• 2:11:00
  Coked out of his mind? Was that a voicemail or a call?
• 2:11:03
  That was a. Voicemail that he left.
• 2:11:04
  On their landline, that on the fucking record.
• 2:11:07
  That's so sick. Yeah, You fucking steal that.
• 2:11:11
  That makes the other one true as well.
• 2:11:13
  That happened. Yeah.
• 2:11:14
  I felt like that one was true. Yeah, that one happened.
• 2:11:16
  You know how many? Details the.
• 2:11:17
  The there's so many. Details.
• 2:11:19
  But then sometimes people do that and then they say, well,
• 2:11:21
  actually it happened to my friend, so it's not actually a
• 2:11:23
  lie. The my the the Shkreli 1 was
• 2:11:27
  reminded me. Of.
• 2:11:29
  Jesse Barnett from Sticks Your Guns actually got a cease and
• 2:11:34
  desist from the Sackler family for for the very similar thing
• 2:11:39
  because he made a shirt. The Sackler family being the
• 2:11:41
  family that is responsible for a lot 10s of.
• 2:11:46
  Thousands of. Deaths and the oxy crisis and
• 2:11:49
  all of that. Jesse Barnett did a T-shirt that
• 2:11:52
  says Springer doesn't know. They just said kill the Sackler
• 2:11:55
  family and that's it. And it had photos of them on it.
• 2:11:59
  And he got a real big cease and desist there.
• 2:12:01
  And then he redid. It and then he redid it and
• 2:12:04
  said. Smallest.
• 2:12:06
  Possible. Don't.
• 2:12:08
  Said in Minecraft. In Minecraft.
• 2:12:11
  Hey, you could have said. That as well like if this if
• 2:12:13
  this is. The design, right.
• 2:12:16
  Great Brandy. Thank you.
• 2:12:19
  Send me an invoice. Yeah, if this.
• 2:12:20
  Is the design it's? It's like this.
• 2:12:23
  Guy. Yeah, this.
• 2:12:24
  Little guy, he changes it. Don't kill the sacrifice drink
• 2:12:27
  monster. And he put.
• 2:12:28
  The you know the. The proceeds went to helping
• 2:12:30
  people who were affected by their crime cult.
• 2:12:33
  Anyway, politics over. You got dinners and music and
• 2:12:37
  stuff to do. Thanks for coming on, absolute
• 2:12:40
  pleasure, it's all fun. Well, thank you.
• 2:12:42
  I really. Appreciate it.
• 2:12:43
  Like fucking you couldn't have caught me doing this on the
• 2:12:45
  first air tour, so I really fucking appreciate it.
• 2:12:48
  Unless it was actually one of you guys, what have you got next
• 2:12:51
  year coming up announced we are going.
• 2:12:53
  Back to Europe, Body Snatcher headliner.
• 2:12:56
  It's Body Snatcher ingested psycho frame and big ass truck.
• 2:13:01
  That's a fucking great tour. So it'll be our second time.
• 2:13:05
  Back over Yonder I we are playing like 57 shows in the UK.
• 2:13:11
  The first half of that tour is in the UK, but we are playing
• 2:13:15
  Dublin, which I'm really excited about.
• 2:13:17
  That's fucking sick. You don't get, you don't see
• 2:13:18
  many people go over and actually play iron.
• 2:13:21
  Do you know any of the ingested guys?
• 2:13:23
  No, but their singer. Has been very friendly to me
• 2:13:27
  over Instagram. Haven't met him, Sean and Lynn.
• 2:13:30
  From Ingested, the drummer and the guitarist they used to be.
• 2:13:34
  I mean, Ingest has been going since I was in the Death Corps
• 2:13:36
  band in fucking 2010. They also used to be in
• 2:13:39
  annotations of an Autopsy tour with them, OK, a long time ago.
• 2:13:43
  They're fucking a bunch of boys. I wonder if they've calmed down
• 2:13:47
  that I've seen some things we'll find out.
• 2:13:49
  And those boys. Love.
• 2:13:51
  Love a drink, I'm calm, great tour.
• 2:13:53
  When When is that tour off the top?
• 2:13:55
  March. March.
• 2:13:56
  March. Saigal of March go because
• 2:13:59
  psycho frame is the. Fucking best.
• 2:14:00
  Literally, as you've seen by the data, one of my favorite bands
• 2:14:05
  of this year, One of my favorite band.
• 2:14:06
  I listen to your band in the gym every fucking day.
• 2:14:09
  Thanks for coming on, boys. Appreciate it.
• 2:14:11
  Thank you so much. Enjoy the tour.
• 2:14:12
  Oh. Yes.