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Thousands of Emails, Zero Answers: Unpacking the Elite’s Shadow World · Bourbon & Rum

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This is the least political thing I've ever seen.
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It is a equal opportunity shit show.
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The elite of this world live in a world different than you and
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me. What the scandal is is not the
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depth of this, but the breadth of this.
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Welcome to Bourbon and Rum, the podcast dedicated to civil
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conversation. I'm Kent.
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I like rum and I'm from the left side of the aisle and I'm Kyle.
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I like bourbon. I tend to be a little more
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conservative Brothers talking politics for bourbon and rug.
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What are you drinking? Well, I'm drinking bourbon and
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Coke, a Diet Coke, because I have a cold and I can't taste
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anything. So I'm not going to drink my top
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shelf stuff. I'm drinking on just some stuff
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at some bottom shelf stuff and a little bit of Diet Coke.
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I don't even know what I'm drinking.
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So, you know, I think it's Burgerman.
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Well, I'm going to match you cheap for cheap.
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I grabbed this bottle of Navy Bay Generic Jamaican Rum when we
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were in Minneapolis and it's normally $14.00 a bottle but I
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got it on sale for 11. Nice.
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Hey, we're, we're all about the value here with inflation.
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We need to, you know, we need to be smart about our booze
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choices, Ken. Yeah, this is all before we have
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a out and out war in the Caribbean where most of my my
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slurping is is distilled so. That's true.
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Well, man, we could call this a breaking news edition or you
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know, we've we're recording on Friday afternoon, the 14th of
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November and it's kind of been a week of stuff coming out of the
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Epstein files. And yeah, just interested in
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what you're seeing and what your what your take on it is.
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Any surprises? Yeah.
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I mean, there has been some stuff come out.
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It seems like it's been a trickle, but it's not.
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What I'm trying to understand is like what's come out when?
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Because my understanding is there's a vote next week to get
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the mother lode, but then there's a bunch of stuff that
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was already released or. I think the difference, I'm not
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certain of this, but I think the difference is the where it's
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coming from, because the stuff that the Democrats unilaterally
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released was not a part of the the Epstein files per SE, but it
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was material that was subpoenaed for the congressional
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investigation. I think that's the, I, I could
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be wrong on that, something like that.
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So there's more. Yeah.
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Well, and that's what I'm saying.
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Next week is going to be really interesting and how soon it
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comes out. And you know, there's so much of
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it. It's like how fast can they
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process the stuff? Well, right.
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And, you know, there's a lot of, you know, grocery lists from
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Tuesday, May 5th, 2022. Yeah, Well, no, not, not 2020.
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I mean, 20 O2. You know, I don't think he was
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making a grocery list in 22. But you know, I was amazed at
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reading some of this e-mail traffic.
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I mean, people listen to this Jackass, apparently, yes.
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I mean, he's talking about like, yeah, I'll get this foreign
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leader on the phone. I'll get this foreign leader
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like, and we've already established the guy wasn't a
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financial. That surely didn't sound like
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some kind of financial wizard. It sounded like he was a master
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of information. Yeah, there's a lot of, you
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know, some of it's not surprises, but it what's creepy
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in a way is reading the matter of factness of the discussion.
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There's a couple of really salacious ones, but you know
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where it's just him going back and forth with Larry Summers.
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Right. You know, just crazy to me.
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And all of those are after his arrest and conviction.
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Yes. And like, I don't know, I would
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think that if I was the president of former president of
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Harvard University, I just wouldn't hang out with guys that
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did time for a conviction like he did.
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And but it's like no problem. But then it's then you see the
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nature of the people he's connected to and it's like,
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yeah, it's a weird deal for sure.
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So there there were a couple Trump females.
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We've got a lot of attention this week.
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What do you think of those? Look, I, I really want to
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resist. You know, I, I'm not going to
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close the door and I'm not going to give him a pass.
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But I think it's dangerous territory and a mistake for
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Democrats to be rubbing their hands with Glee.
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Like, Oh my gosh, we've got it. Look, Virginia Jeffrey said that
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he didn't do anything with her. You know, I've heard some people
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say, like, apparently, you know, it was mentioned that he spent
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hours with her. Even Epstein was like, he did
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not get a massage. So you know, but like.
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I read that there was a Supposedly she said that they
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didn't spend hours together. Now I don't know, but there's so
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much out there. Like, yeah, but like, OK, so
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even if he didn't get a massage, is it cool for him to just be
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hanging out? I think the the that's what.
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I'm saying there was a, there was a report that she said he
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did not like, she refuted that. But then like, when was this
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presented? And you know, like it does seem
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like the data is all over the place.
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And if you're getting these reports, it's like what's
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really. True.
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If somebody's waiting for uncontrovertible proof that
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Trump actually took part in that, I think you're probably
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going to be disappointed. I, I kind of I just I think if
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you're holding your breath for that, you're you're kidding
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yourself and me to me, the smoking gun.
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The thing is that Epstein said the one sentence, the one phrase
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Trump quote knew about the girls.
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And to me, that's the like, that's the part.
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Like, I'm not looking to convict him for doing something.
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I'm saying, though it was common knowledge.
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It was common knowledge to him. And there's that quote of him
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making that crack about like, yeah, he likes him on the young
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side. And, and I'm just like, his
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response was he threw him out of the club.
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I, I don't know. I just think I guess I would
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wish that I well and then. And then if you see, if you see
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some of, and I think you mentioned this when we were
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texting back and forth, like, I don't know if you did or not,
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but you know, like it appears what he was really pissed at
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Trump about was like a like he stole a deal from him or
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something. Right, right.
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I think juicy and salacious are other things that Epstein said
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in just in conversation with other people about implying
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other kind of, he's not specific, so you don't even
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know, but kind of corruption or tainted things with Trump,
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Trump's the dirtiest of them all or something like that.
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And I, like you said, there's so much of this, like, I'm getting
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bits and pieces and I don't know if any of it's justifiable.
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But there was the thing where he said, yeah, he'd been briefing
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the Russians about stuff that he knew about Trump.
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And you know who knows what that is?
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But then I also think about like, I mean, if I think to some
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extent it'd be a lot more concerning if Epstein was like,
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Trump's the best guy in the world.
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I love him. He's great.
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Like if he if if the convicted sex offender was saying glowing
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things about the guy, I'd be a little more worried about that
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than he hated him with a passion.
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Yeah. So the other thing that came out
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and again, like every article and we've talked about this last
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week, like everything's political.
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So everything's got a spin. And like one of the things last
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week, it was like, you know, I guess there was some Democratic
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congresswoman that they signed in and then she signed the order
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to give the, you know, to, to like release the Epstein files.
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And they're like, well, the Republicans were holding out on
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reopening the government because they didn't want this lady to
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sign the thing. And I'm like, well, but they
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voted 15 times to, you know, pass the continuing resolution.
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And the Democrats were holding out.
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Yet like somehow the Republicans were hanging on to so this lady
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couldn't get sworn in. I'm like, I mean, if they did,
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you know, if the Epstein files was the biggest thing, then
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yeah, they could have voted for the CR the a month ago, you
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know, I mean, I don't really know what they got holding out a
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month. Yeah.
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I mean, I think the the key thing was that I think they made
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their point when the bills went out for people who now can't
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afford their their Obamacare insurance.
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I mean, I think that's what they were playing for.
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I think that the Epstein thing is a sideshow to the shutdown.
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I'm not sure I would agree with the strategy that Schumer and
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company took, but I think that's kind of neither here nor there
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to the to the Epstein bit. But I think Johnson was sure
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happy to have the government shut down this long.
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Did you read about Trump? But why that and I'm not
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challenging you. I mean, that may very be the
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case. I guess I'm just saying
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rhetorically like why the hell would he want to hold up the
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files? It doesn't make any sense.
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It's well, it's back to the whole age-old question of why is
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anybody holding up these files? Yeah, why did Trump?
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Did you read about Trump summoning Lauren Bobert to the
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Situation Room? Like I'd like to be a family on
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that wall, yeah. Again, I think I'm like this all
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would make more sense to me if I took the opinion of Trump, like
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a lot of the of of the left does that like he was first in line.
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He was, you know, he and Epstein, he was with all these
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girls. I just don't think that's the
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thing with Trump. If he was this going to the, you
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know, taking people to the situation room to pressure him
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not to release makes sense. If he's not guilty of that, it
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doesn't make sense. Well, I saw an interview with
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Alan Dershowitz and he was saying he you know, when when
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he's defending Epstein the first time he says to Epstein he's
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like, is there anybody you got dirt on?
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Because if you, if you've got dirt on powerful people, you
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could save yourself some grief. And he specifically said, what
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about Trump? I mean, if you got dirt on
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Trump, this would be the time to play it.
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And his life's on the line. He doesn't he he doesn't come up
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with something that to me is odd.
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Like if, if there was some damning stuff, that would have
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been the time to play the Trump card, if you will.
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Yeah. But again, I'm with you.
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I don't think that it. It doesn't appear to me that
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there is incontrovertible proof of Trump's direct involvement in
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the worst of what we're talking about, right?
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But then why? Why would you?
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Literally why is your presidency?
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And base, IE and I, I don't necessarily say I'm the base.
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I'm, I'm probably on the fringe. I hope.
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I don't think I'm, you know, in the middle of the, the makeup
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base. I would call myself that, but I
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was a supporter. But this is it's a huge
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showstopper to me. Until they fix this.
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I mean, that's ridiculous. Yeah.
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Why? Yeah.
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Why is the holdout? I don't get it at all.
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And I've heard some positions that, you know, I mean, it's
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like everybody, every time somebody starts talking, there's
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another name of and, and, you know, it's interesting.
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Look, Trump, Dershowitz, Summers, like, that's all old
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news. I heard Pulte was a part of it.
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And people said, maybe, you know, he's got all these cronies
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of rich Palm Beach guys, and maybe he's trying to avoid
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embarrassment for them. But, you know, I don't think I
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would jeopardize the presidency of the United States for
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protecting cronies, you know? Yeah.
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And I think the most baffling thing to me is like, if it
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exists, do we not believe now that eventually it's coming out?
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Like, like at this point, yeah, there's no hide many, right?
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Yeah, I don't. Understand I really would love.
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To be a family on the wall in the Beaubert meeting and just
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the White House right now. Like, what are you worried about
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exactly? And maybe you're right.
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Maybe it maybe it's the universe of personalities involved or
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something. What about international?
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I mean, could. OK, so I'm going to make up a
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hypothetical case. We knew that he was tight with
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Ehud Barack. Russia's involved.
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You know what? If somebody comes to you, you're
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the president and the CIA has connected all the dots and they
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say, listen, Mr. President, it'd be a little embarrassing for
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you. It'd be a little embarrassing
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for your friends. But there's things in that file
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that would be destabilizing to the world order.
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Yeah, I don't know what that would be like.
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Well. I one thing I thought of that
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you said about knew about the girls that comment.
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I, I, I'd read like with Weinstein, you know, after he
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got convicted, most, a lot of people in the Hollywood market
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were like, well, that was going to happen eventually.
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Like they all knew the guy was a scoundrel and like, yeah, taking
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heavy liberties with other women and abusive and whatever.
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And it's like everybody's, you know, that's Harvey.
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And it almost sounds like every. And maybe that's part of what
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the the fear is, is everybody in this universe, like they all
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knew this about that son of a bitch.
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And nobody ever said that they were all like, yeah, yeah,
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that's how he is. But you know, he but hey, he can
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get me access to so and so or he can get me access to so and so
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like, And if does that implicate such a wide swath of people that
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like in a disqualifies half the potential government leaders?
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Yeah. The other thing in the same vein
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could be, you know, it might be that Jeffrey Epstein was your go
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to if your preference was underage girls.
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If you like fill in the blank, there's another guy for that,
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there's another guy for that. And there's this whole ecosystem
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of rich people's desires being filled.
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I mean, this is a stretch, right?
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I'm not I, I, I have no evidence to this.
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Well, could it but the ubiquity of the guy be the be the
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scandal? And you know, honestly, that's
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at the heart of the whole Q Anon conspiracy.
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And I'm not comparing that, but like they're even beyond the Q
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Anon. I mean, that's an extreme form
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of it, but I, I think there is a lot of circles of people that
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think that there is shit that goes on with the elite rich of
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making up their own rules of that, you know, I mean, the Q
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Anon went down 1 rabbit hole, but I think I would, I don't
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think it would shock a lot of people to know that the Super
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rich kind of make their own rules and stuff.
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Exactly. And and if nothing else, this
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proves that right. This proves that that this guy's
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on a just a first name chatting it up, e-mail and back and forth
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texting with people basis. He was.
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I saw an e-mail with. Pritzker.
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Not with Jay Pritzker. It was a different Pritzker I
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think, if it's the one you're thinking of.
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Well, they said it was a billionaire.
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Yeah, but the whole family's billionaires.
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Oh, always a family member. OK, I'm trying to think, but he
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was like, they're kidding back and forth.
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You know, there was like, it was like, I forget what the joke
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was, but like, I mean, there was just a lot of, it's just mind
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boggling. Again, the guy's not a financial
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wizard. Yeah, he's connected to all
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these people. Why is he connected to all these
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people, 'cause he's peddling some deep dark shit and he's got
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customers around the world and they're all in positions of
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power and this gets out and you're ratting out.
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But then, OK. But then I'm back to like, so
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nobody that looked at this before would have been like, I
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mean, I guess if the governmental level, maybe
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they're all like, this is going to indict us all.
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I also believe that the I think that maybe what's most
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threatening to Washington, you know, this, we know that that
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it's all a show, right? And historically we talked
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about, you know, Congressman, would you know, Tip O'Neill and
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Ronald Reagan to go have a drink together.
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And we thought that was quaint and charming.
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But I think on a more nefarious level, like this whole thing is
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a show that's being put on for us.
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And the insiders in this show have more in common with each
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other than they do with any of us.
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And this does kind of lay that open.
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He was equally at home with Republicans and Democrats.
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This is the least political thing I've ever seen.
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It is a equal opportunity shit show.
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Let's hypothetically say that whatever else is out there is
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more of the same, right? I would describe everything
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that's referred to Trump right now as, you know, kind of
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tawdry, kind of cringey. I've seen no evidence that he
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did anything illegal. We we already know that immoral
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is not a very high bar for Trump, but there's no evidence
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that he did anything illegal. But So what if we get just more
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and more of this, more evidence of this kind of decadent, sick
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world of the elites, but not like, send people to prison
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smoking guns. What happens?
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Do we just like, live with that? That's a really good question
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because I think to some extent, I think part of humanity's
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fascination with conspiracy theories is that they will
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provide an easy answer to the problems that we have.
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Like, well, here's the whole problem.
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They're all in on it. OK, we need to do a perp walk
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with 1000 billionaires and life will be good.
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Well, it's not going to be. That Yeah, you know, more and
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more I'm thinking about that. I, you know, like everybody,
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I'm. I'm wishing that there's a tada.
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You know, here it is, the road map.
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You know, you unfold the road map and it's got all the all the
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lines between, you know, the pictures of all the people with
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the string between them. Here's how it works.
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We're not getting that We're going to get more of this and
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it's going to be other side. I mean, it's going to be people
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from both sides is going to be people from industry, it's going
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to be people from academia, you know it.
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But it's just going to, I mean, the dude wasn't an imbecile.
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He, he's not going to spell out in an e-mail on October 15th,
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2002, President Clinton, former President Clinton, Prince
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Andrew, you know, like he's not going to give you that.
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Yeah. Well, again, I mean, I think if,
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if there was truly like some kind of smoking gun, you could
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stick somebody on the wall that should be out by now with two
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trials and two lives at stake. I mean, I don't care what
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Ghilane she would have spilled the beans if there was beans to
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spill that were meaningful. Yeah.
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Or that it's just it's not some slam dunk deep thing on anybody,
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but it's 10,000 emails like the ones that we've seen, they're
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not really incredibly. Like the guy touches everybody
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in the world. Yeah, and they're not, you know,
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they're, they're not graphic and explicit.
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They're just like, the whole thing is cringy and we're going
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to see 10,000 cringy emails with innuendo supposition.
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You know, did Dershowitz go to the island?
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Did he flew on the plane? Did he fly to the island on the
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plane? Or did he fly somewhere else on
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the plane? And, you know, you're not going
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to find like the surveillance camera video that shows
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Dershowitz walking into the room.
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You're not going to get that. You're just going to get this
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hinting? But well, who knows?
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I mean I'm I am interested to see what happens next week.
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I mean, it does seem odd that it's been this hard to shake
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loose this information. If it's just a big nothing
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burger, then why the hell is the delay?
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Then why do we need Congress to vote to release?
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I mean, we need the Congress, the United States to vote on
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some jerk files. It doesn't make sense to me.
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Like why is there a vote in Congress?
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Well, again, what what's the scandal is?
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If the scandal was one or two or three or four really, You know,
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if it's a Prince and a former president and like and they've
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got them dead to rights, that's one kind of scandal.
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The FBI said that there were thousands of victims, thousands
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of victims kind of implies thousands of perpetrators maybe.
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And then it's like. OK, so then yeah, good point.
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I almost used an F bomb on our podcast, Kent.
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But I mean, where the blank is the FBI chasing down thousands
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of perpetrators? Like, yeah, there's thousands of
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people committing crimes, but yeah, we're not going to do
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anything about it. What?
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Yeah, yeah. And and so we've got thousands
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of emails, thousands of pieces of evidence, and there's going
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to be thousands of names. And there's not a little black
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book, There's not a little black book because the little black
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book would be the size of the phone book.
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And and maybe the what the again, I'm back to what the
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scandal is, is not the depth of this, but the breadth of this.
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You start finding out, you know, what does that do to the stock
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market? If you go through and you know
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17 or 18% of sitting CE OS of Dow Jones listed companies were
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mentioned in the emails and you find out that.
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They all knew what was going on. They all knew, everybody knew
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and they were all on first name basis with him and there's no
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proof that they did anything wrong.
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But everybody's like, hey, Jeffrey.
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Like the whole, like the. Whole elite of politics,
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government and economics. We're all like Jeffrey, like,
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like Norman. Cheers.
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How many other Jeffreys are? How many other Jeffreys are out
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there? Yes.
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That cater to different vices, right?
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And yeah, that might be the scandal, the breadth of it, that
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there's no one or two or three smoking guns.
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It's just like, you open this up, that's good.
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Find tons of people. That's the that's the swamp
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drain we really want. They're the part of the elite
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need to go the way of Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.
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Would some, would not. That was it was not a good look
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for Andrew in the emails. I'll say that.
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I was never there. You must say that I can't handle
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any more of this. Yeah, OK, you idiot.
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You know, it's not exactly justice for the victims, but
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there is got to be some satisfaction.
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And that guy tried to that guy sitting on hold with the cable
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company trying to get his new apartment set up.
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Exactly. He's never dialed a phone
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before, you know, they hand it to your majesty, and now it's
24:40
like he's listening to that hold music.
24:47
That just brings me joy, honestly.
24:50
Yeah. So what do you think the next
24:51
moves are? They've passed the release the
24:55
files resolution in the House. Yeah, I think so.
24:59
Right. I'm, I'm saying I'm just kind of
25:01
or did it? Come to a vote yet?
25:02
Maybe it didn't come to a vote yet.
25:04
No, I thought that last gal that they swore in cast the last vote
25:10
but I'm like I don't understand any.
25:12
No, I think she signed a resolution calling for the vote,
25:18
but the vote hasn't happened yet.
25:20
And now stepping away from the scandal itself per SE, I, I
25:26
could be wrong in this, but I think it basically these people
25:28
call basically it's like writing a petition and that it's going
25:32
to force a vote. And the problem is, or the
25:35
opportunity is, and I've heard multiple people say this, like
25:39
even people that don't want to go near this with a 10 foot
25:41
pole, they just want to stay out of it.
25:44
If there's a resolution voted on on the House floor and it's a
25:48
roll call vote, it's going to be really hard for people to just
25:53
be, you know, you might be a friend of the president, but
25:56
when they say, Mr. Clark, how do you vote Republican, Democrat?
26:01
People aren't going to be able to to not be on the right side
26:06
of that. So OK, so this is interesting.
26:10
The Epstein files, comprising investigative records, emails,
26:14
financial documents, and other materials from Epstein's sex
26:18
trafficking case, are partially controlled by the executive
26:20
branch, specifically the DOJ under the Trump administration.
26:24
While the Republican LED House Oversight Committee has
26:26
independently released over 42,000 pages, including a recent
26:31
batch of females including Trump and others, the remaining files,
26:34
estimated 10s of thousands more, require congressional action to
26:37
compel Full disclosure. Here's a breakdown of why a vote
26:40
is necessary. Many unreleased documents stem
26:43
from federal investigation, including FBI probes, grand jury
26:45
of materials, and sealed court records tied to Epstein's plea
26:48
deal. These are held by the DOJ, which
26:50
has brought discretion over the release to protect ongoing
26:54
sensitivities, yada yada yada. The Trump administration has
26:57
faced criticism for slow rolling.
26:59
Democrats are pushing for release legal and practical
27:03
barriers without a vote, without a law.
27:06
Releases rely on voluntary committee actions or court
27:08
orders. I mean, it kind of points to
27:11
just the Trump administration is holding this back.
27:15
But that's one angle. But it sounds like it's also
27:21
like, what I don't get is, is it because Trump's administration
27:26
isn't holding it, is withholding it, or is it because of the like
27:31
the DOJ policies regarding grand jury testimony and stuff like
27:35
that? Like somebody has to overrule
27:36
that. But like, it sounds like they
27:38
could just release the crap if they would.
27:40
So like, OK, this is even worse. Like, why are they hanging on to
27:43
it? You're going to lose.
27:44
The Republicans run the committee.
27:48
They're going to say, like you, we're releasing it.
27:52
Why are you hanging on to it? You're just making yourself look
27:55
even more guilty, right? Well, I think that the MO for a
28:00
long time for Trump and a lot of other politicians is, you know,
28:07
like run out the clock. We live in this 24 hour news
28:10
cycle and there's going to be, is going to be something that
28:14
comes up and pops it off. And I, I don't really believe
28:17
that the government shutdown was engineered to cover this, but it
28:22
has kind of soaked up the news cycle for a little while.
28:27
And so, and so I think that there's some sense on people
28:30
that, well, maybe this will just blow over.
28:34
And this is like one of the few stories that I've ever seen that
28:40
defies gravity. It doesn't.
28:42
Well, I mean blow over cases accelerates.
28:45
Case in point, the bourbon and rum podcast has not stopped
28:48
talking about the Epstein files. But one of the things they said
28:51
is OK, we need to you know what we need to do?
28:55
We need to get a lawyer on the phone takes break all this down
28:58
for us. That could be the next the next
29:00
interview. But it says these federal files
29:04
remain sealed unless Congress intervenes as seen installed
29:08
efforts during the Biden era. So during the Biden era, there
29:10
were efforts to people want them to release, but they didn't
29:13
release some. But then it's like, OK, why
29:15
didn't the Biden team release it?
29:17
Like what the hell is the reasoning for?
29:20
I don't know. The fact that Biden didn't
29:22
release it candidly in my mind argues that we are not going to
29:27
find the magical mystery smoking gun, right.
29:30
If that existed, it would have been too tempting to release
29:34
that more and more. And even on the wise, convincing
29:38
myself that what we the wise Trump?
29:40
Calling Bill Bear to the Situation Room.
29:42
I like, what the hell is that about?
29:45
I mean what we have. Right now, today, right now, we
29:49
have incontrovertible proof that literally hundreds or thousands
29:57
of elite leaders of the world operated freely and comfortably
30:02
in an environment where a guy who procured underage girls for
30:08
sex was one of the guys and everybody knew it.
30:13
And that was just business as usual.
30:15
Like, that's the thing that's proven, and that's disgusting
30:19
all its own. And we're going to be
30:22
disappointed because we're not going to get our perp walk.
30:24
We just got to look ourselves in the eye like our world is
30:27
governed by bastards like this. And likely, he's not the only
30:33
one, right? The elite of this world live in
30:36
a world different than you and me.
30:39
Just the ease of conversation with all of them, every one of
30:44
these emails, he's just back and forth.
30:47
He was borderline illiterate or had like fat thumbs or something
30:52
to be like, all of these emails are nonsense.
30:56
Yeah. But yeah, totally comfortable
30:59
first name basis, totally comfortable with lots of people.
31:03
And yeah, they all quote knew about the girls, just no
31:08
problem. What the hell?
31:09
He's that guy. Yeah.
31:11
So if you have a different weakness, you got a different
31:15
guy. Is there a, is there, you know,
31:18
this is, this is who you call. Oh, is that what you?
31:21
Is that what you want? What you, you call him.
31:23
And if oh, is this what you want?
31:24
You you call this guy. That's just great.
31:27
Is that surprising? Kind of actually up until seeing
31:32
some of these emails, I tended to think that it was really like
31:37
a blackmail, you know, like he really had people by the by the
31:42
balls and manipulated people. It actually doesn't look like
31:49
that. It looks, it looks so mundane.
31:54
It looks not that. That mundane piece is, to me,
31:59
what's most troubling. It's like, well, you know, he's
32:04
one of 60 guys in the Rolodex of, you know, sleazy
32:09
proclivities. Yeah, this isn't like, hey, I
32:13
know something about Trump or Larry Summers or whoever.
32:16
It's like, Oh yeah, I know this about Trump and I know this
32:19
about Larry Summers and I, you know, we're we're just this is
32:22
how we roll. This is how we roll.
32:24
That's that's the outrage to me. This is how we roll.
32:29
But, OK, did you not think that the Elite operated at a
32:33
different level and a different, I mean, the the Bohemian Grove
32:38
and all? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of
32:40
stuff. I feel like there's a lot of
32:42
stuff that everybody like, well, that's your conspiratorial.
32:46
Like it doesn't shock me that the elite with access to tons of
32:52
money are sleazy. No, no.
32:55
And I'm not saying that. I guess it shocks me that they
32:59
that nobody feels even the slightest compunction to be
33:03
discreet about it. Right, right.
33:05
That's the part like, OK, so you're Bohemian Grove, for God's
33:10
sakes. There's at least like they own a
33:12
piece of property in the woods and they've got a fence so
33:15
people don't walk in on their A ball, right.
33:18
Like we didn't, we didn't bother to put the fence up.
33:21
We didn't we just we're just sitting here yakking.
33:24
But. It's kind of like to me, you
33:28
know, we were talking, I think last week about the JFK thing,
33:33
you know, you know, I was saying the linkage between JFK and
33:38
Epstein. But but like one of the things
33:41
we were talking about, I listen to our I don't normally listen
33:44
to our podcast just quickly, but I listen to ours last week.
33:47
And but you know, we talked a little bit.
33:50
We, I brought it up and we kind of bat it around like, OK, if it
33:54
was Johnson, like how damning would that be for the
33:58
credibility of the office of the presidency?
34:02
And I feel like with this thing is the fear of letting it out.
34:08
It's not necessarily the office of the presidency.
34:11
But is it that all this really does is it gives credence to all
34:17
the conspiracies, whether it's Q Anon, whether it's any of these
34:21
marginal conspiracies that the billionaires and the Super rich
34:25
have a private club and they do all the shit, whatever they
34:27
want. This is plain and simple
34:30
validation and does that then we can the ability the next
34:36
billionaire that gets up to run for president.
34:39
Well, how do I know you're not out there procuring or you don't
34:42
know of somebody that does this or whatever?
34:44
And does that make, does that like screwed up for everybody?
34:49
Yeah, I don't know what you I don't know what you do.
34:52
We live in a country where running for dog catcher costs
34:55
$100,000, so we're automatically selecting for the filthy
35:01
stinking rich for these things. Go ahead.
35:03
And we've talked about like all these congressmen, you know,
35:06
like Nancy Pelosi's stock trade picks or, you know, Maxine
35:12
Waters is worth like 10s of millions of dollars, you know,
35:17
okay, where where they come from.
35:19
But and that's, and that that's on the left.
35:21
There's plenty of examples on the right, too, where these
35:24
people going to Congress and they're all of a sudden loaded
35:27
and are they all part of the club?
35:31
Like, you got all these rich people running the show and then
35:34
you get into government. Well, you want to get in the
35:36
club, Here you go. But here's the price to pay.
35:39
It's the price to join you. Sell your I don't think they're
35:42
I don't think they're in the club.
35:44
I think you get $10 million for being in Congress and that's
35:50
shut up and leave us the hell alone.
35:52
You're not in the club. I think that's your swamp, I
35:56
think is the, the, the peons that are doing the bidding of
36:00
the rich, doing the bidding of the, of the real elites again.
36:05
And I'll say that I don't think you agree with me on this, but I
36:12
mean, Trump's not he's never been the richest of the rich.
36:18
You know, like I think he, he's, there's a lot of flash.
36:21
They what one of the prosecutions was that he
36:24
inflated his position, right? Yeah, well, that's what I mean.
36:29
But like, is he even, you know, has the club spoken to him and
36:34
said, yeah, you, you need to stop this.
36:38
You're you're going to screw up the club and if you don't stop
36:42
this. But again, what gravy train?
36:45
The gravy train stops. Yeah, like.
36:48
Well, that's where I'm going. Like with all these congressmen,
36:49
Yeah, they're not necessarily the club runners.
36:52
But I mean, you want you make 180 grand a year for 20 years
36:58
and you magically walk away with $30 million in the bank, It's
37:01
not because you were lucky. I mean, yeah, somebody was
37:04
lucky, but not all you sons of bitches are lucky.
37:07
And there's money getting passed around.
37:11
I guess that's why I'm where I'm going is like, you know, we
37:14
everybody loves to denigrate the conspiracy theorists over power
37:18
and control. I I think we're there.
37:21
I think we're showing that it exists.
37:23
And this is evidence. This is like, you know, evidence
37:28
#1 here. It absolutely makes things that
37:31
I thought were crazy seem less crazy.
37:35
That might be the quote of the year.
37:40
I make the lobby to put you on Time magazine.
37:45
Like the quote of the year. Things that seemed crazy seem
37:49
less crazy this year. You think about it.
37:51
OK, this is obscene business. How about UFOs?
37:53
Everybody that thought people were crazy, that we're looking
37:56
at UFOs and all the evidence that's coming about.
37:59
What about AI? Oh my gosh, the stuff that AI
38:03
does that nobody thought was possible.
38:06
I do feel like we're in an era of like you thought last year
38:11
was some crazy shit. Wait till next year.
38:13
That's good business for podcasters right there.
38:16
It is. Hey, next week should be pretty
38:19
interesting after we get we need to tip for the listeners.
38:24
You haven't heard the end of Epstein because we're probably
38:26
going to be talking about it next week, too.
38:31
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