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Cast Interviews - Jason Nguyen: A Life Through Fandom · Fandomonium! A Fandom Comedy Game Show

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Speaker 1: Hello, leap Frogs, Welcome back to our Cast Interview series
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Speaker 1: and the final cast interview of the year, unless people
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Speaker 1: can persuade me into doing one, which is you know
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Speaker 1: that's going to take a lot of persuading. This is
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Speaker 1: the interview that I'm sure many of you have been
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Speaker 1: waiting for. It's with a great friend who's been with
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Speaker 1: us since the very beginning, and someone who, if it
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Speaker 1: wasn't for his other exploits and dreams and goals in life,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure would have been on every single episode, just
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Speaker 1: like Audre. It is, of course, the one and only
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Speaker 1: Jason Noin. Jason is an artist, a podcaster, a costume maker,
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Speaker 1: a chef, and a really good friend. If you don't
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Speaker 1: know who Jason is, I mean, look go back and
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Speaker 1: listen to our archive. He's on half the episodes and
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Speaker 1: we truly couldn't have built this podcast without him and
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Speaker 1: his help, especially in those first couple of years where
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Speaker 1: we just we didn't fully know what we were doing.
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Speaker 1: We were just playing games, making shows, having fun. But
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Speaker 1: if you'd like to know him a little bit more,
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Speaker 1: hopefully that's what this past interview can achieve. He's got
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Speaker 1: some classic answers that you might expect, and some answers
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Speaker 1: that you might not, some answers that might make you
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Speaker 1: feel a little bit differently about certain fandoms. And in
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Speaker 1: classic Jason fashion, he introduces an interesting framing device to
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Speaker 1: our conversation beyond just a morning meetup over coffee that
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Speaker 1: I'm sure any listeners who have a head canon about
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Speaker 1: this podcast or like to write fan fiction about the
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Speaker 1: hosts of this podcast, I'm sure you'll enjoy the framing
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Speaker 1: device that Jason sets up. But I'll leave it there.
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Speaker 1: There's a little more chat from me at the end
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Speaker 1: of the interview, but for now, please enjoy Jason nowin
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Speaker 1: a life through fandom.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So here we are on a weekend morning, like it
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Speaker 1: should be for these gentle cast interviews.
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Speaker 2: Nice fall Sunday morning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, fall has arrived. There are leaves on the ground,
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Speaker 1: there's wildlife in the backyard. It's beautiful, bridge, hot beverage.
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Speaker 1: I've got tea because I've already had my caffeine.
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Speaker 2: I think listeners will heard I have a coffee.
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Speaker 1: Because you're so energetic.
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Speaker 2: Just audio.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's proper. As I took that opportunity to have
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Speaker 1: a sip of tea while you were doing the performance
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Speaker 1: aspect of that. Yeah, but yeah, that's proper coffee. That's
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Speaker 1: what coffee sounds like.
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Speaker 2: It's it's folders in your cup or whatever. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they say. Is that the brand of
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Speaker 1: where it just comes in a big barrel.
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Speaker 2: It's just dusting a barrel.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy this. This is your caffeine America.
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Speaker 2: To get in between your gums and idiots.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, well this is this is nice. It's nice
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Speaker 1: to be chatting with you on a on a weekend morning,
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Speaker 1: considering we normally record gate leapers on evenings normally yea,
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Speaker 1: often like a Friday night with so much energy and.
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Speaker 2: It's a vibe right now, which it's just the two
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Speaker 2: of us, And so I do feel like I I
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Speaker 2: think I'm taking an NPR cadence and I think I'm
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Speaker 2: going to keep the NBR cadence.
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Speaker 1: I think that's totally fine. I think that that fits.
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Speaker 1: If I stray too much into games master voice, you
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Speaker 1: keep me, keep me under under wraps for sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Also low key romantic vibr Now I kind of want
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Speaker 2: to kiss you. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh so this is how we finally address it. We're
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Speaker 1: finally one on one without.
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Speaker 2: Podcast this is what we did without No.
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Speaker 1: This is the this is the beauty of the medium.
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Speaker 1: Like podcasting one on one can be quite intimate. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't ever say it's romantic, but I think it's intimate.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, I totally agree with you. I think there's
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Speaker 2: something where in an interestview format where we're going to
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Speaker 2: be asking some some really personal questions. I think, uh,
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Speaker 2: this is really nice to just chat and be in
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Speaker 2: the space together.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've got some personal personal questions lined up.
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Speaker 1: I've got so many personal questions. I was so nervous.
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Speaker 1: This is what I do in dates. I have notes,
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Speaker 1: notes to ask questions and answers. Sure she got them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's that's one dating strategy.
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Speaker 2: I'm single.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I guess now. I just love that
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Speaker 1: the framing of this episode and the thing will have
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Speaker 1: to call back to us. The recurring joke is that
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Speaker 1: this is actually a date. So I'm I'm on board
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Speaker 1: with that now, and I will ask you quite strange
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Speaker 1: questions for this being a date, Like imagine if.
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Speaker 2: First date with Jason.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's going to be me the one asking
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Speaker 1: asking you these questions. Could you imagine being on a
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Speaker 1: date like a first date at that where it's like
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Speaker 1: that they ask you, what what fandom do you regret
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Speaker 1: being a part of?
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Speaker 2: Is this therapy? Is this like exposure? It's like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: this is what it's like to date you, Jason.
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Speaker 1: I mean my experiencing it now? Is this?
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Speaker 2: What?
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Speaker 1: Is this what it's like? Should I light a candle
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Speaker 1: on the table?
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Speaker 2: That's a famous move of mine. The answer is yes,
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Speaker 2: we can fuck tonight.
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Speaker 1: Yep, No, you've decided it. It's the framing for the
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Speaker 1: whole interview.
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Speaker 2: Now, wonderful.
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Speaker 1: Just before I get on and ask the first Ques question,
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Speaker 1: heyn You've You've listened to pretty much everyone else's cast interview.
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Speaker 2: Enjoyed all of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good time. This is the last
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Speaker 1: one where it's like me asking you question. At least
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Speaker 1: for now. We may add other people to the cast
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Speaker 1: and oh yeah, we'll do these interview series and it'll
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Speaker 1: be great. Please, but for now, this is the last interview.
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Speaker 1: You're you're the last up. Do you think you're gonna
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Speaker 1: gonna offer some new things? You're in a difficult position.
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Speaker 2: I yes, I well, I was I was throughout the
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Speaker 2: whole time listening to the interviews. I have, of course,
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Speaker 2: in an egotistical way, kind of subconsciously thought, you know,
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Speaker 2: how would I answer these questions knowing that it would
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Speaker 2: come up, And I think I will bring something new
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Speaker 2: to the table as I'm the most basic the cast members.
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Speaker 2: I love Basic Love, I love Marvel, and I love
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Speaker 2: Star Wars, and They're definitely gonna come up within these questions.
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Speaker 2: And I want to. I want to hit the big
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Speaker 2: fandoms because I think in the conceit of our show
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Speaker 2: talking about how beloved these things are, but also like
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Speaker 2: how trivial they can be within regular life or how
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Speaker 2: they should be, I think like a healthy level. I
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Speaker 2: think Star Wars and Marvel are the big hitters with
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Speaker 2: toxicity and learning to have a balance with where you
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Speaker 2: put them in your life. Yeah. So I'm pretty excited
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Speaker 2: about that. I'm also excited about being the meat and
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Speaker 2: or potatoes in your analogy.
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Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, to call back, we had the I think
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Speaker 1: to be decided was the potatoes.
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Speaker 2: I very much relate to a potato. You know, I'm sturdy.
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Speaker 2: If I'm thrown, I will not break. If you left
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Speaker 2: in a cupboard, You'll tell you I'll sprout little buttlings.
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Speaker 2: But I think it's weird to call Audre the meat.
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Speaker 2: So I'll take the meat.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you'll you'll take the meat. Yeah, yeah, Look, Ultra's
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Speaker 1: in villainy or she can actually absolutely be the meat.
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Speaker 2: Meat. I'm not gonna put that on her. That's that's fair.
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Speaker 1: Look, you're both the meat, you're both the potatoes, and
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Speaker 1: whoever wants to be is the delicious gravy. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: you're gonna show right down. Yeah, So let's let's chat. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's already dating analogy. Shall we chow write down on
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Speaker 1: a first day?
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Speaker 2: Please?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, Jason, I'm going to ask you the same
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Speaker 1: opening question I've asked everyone. We're going to start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of your life, because this is your life
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Speaker 1: through fandom.
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Speaker 2: So I was born in nineteen ninety six.
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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe not that early unless as you shot out
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Speaker 1: of your mother's of China like in a cartoon. Is
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Speaker 1: the only way I can possibly imagine that. Exactly were
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Speaker 1: you already into fandoms and pop culture media, or more accurately,
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Speaker 1: I'll ask what was the first pop culture media you
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Speaker 1: were obsessed with, the first thing you remember feeling like
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Speaker 1: you have to consume everything as a kid, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think the very first one that struck me was
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Speaker 2: Bionical and nice. Yes, yeah, And I think I go
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Speaker 2: to Bionical specifically because listeners of the podcast will know
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Speaker 2: that I do like Transformers. That's like not right now,
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Speaker 2: not like that much, but like it's fandom for Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's an old one for me. But I think I'm
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Speaker 2: going to choose Bionicle out of these because I remember
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Speaker 2: getting chapter books for Bionicle, like Lego went in hard.
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Speaker 1: Yes, let's let's talk about what Bionicle is because I
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Speaker 1: think only sort of like male raised like young millennial
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Speaker 1: old gen z is going to be familiar.
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Speaker 2: With Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like my age group within
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Speaker 2: five years pretty much. Yeah, it's very So it's like
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Speaker 2: it's a type of Lego. It's a type of Lego.
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Speaker 2: So so in the early two thousands, Lego was having
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Speaker 2: a spot of trouble with their sales, so they decided
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Speaker 2: to come up with a new ip, and so they
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Speaker 2: come up with this system of like action figures, not
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Speaker 2: your classic bricks, but like action figures that have lore
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Speaker 2: to them. They all have like colors. They come in
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Speaker 2: these like plastic containers that like really spoke to children
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Speaker 2: of collect them all. There was like whole Lord. There
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Speaker 2: was as I was saying, there's chapter books that go
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Speaker 2: into the Lord, there was like a written language that
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Speaker 2: I probably still could read to this do ye Like
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Speaker 2: it's like it's like al yeah, oh god, yeah, and
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Speaker 2: they made they made you collect the mask and all
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Speaker 2: this other stuff. I watched the movies as a kid.
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Speaker 2: I had them on DVD.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I do remember one of them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think I think there was just
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Speaker 2: something about I've always been obsessed with things that had
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Speaker 2: helmets or like were more robotic in aesthetic. Power Rangers
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Speaker 2: was also like a similar thing helmets and robots, helmets
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Speaker 2: and robots and multi color like coded like characters that
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Speaker 2: that represented something. I think that really spoke to me
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Speaker 2: and it really put out this level of creativity because
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Speaker 2: unlike with regular Lego, even as an adult, I think
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Speaker 2: I could build something out of bionical pieces, you know
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Speaker 2: what I mean. I think it's mostly their pieces were
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Speaker 2: like ball joins and like simple pins.
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Speaker 1: They're a lot more like and technical and gene type thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yea yeah. But like with Lego, a brick
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Speaker 2: has so much possibility that I'm almost frozen by it.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, just I just got really this was bionicle.
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Speaker 2: Like my friends in elementary school had more bionicles in me,
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Speaker 2: and I would go to their house and just like
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Speaker 2: look at them out of respect, I wouldn't like play
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Speaker 2: with them, and I'd be like, that's so cool that
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Speaker 2: you have all six. I would get like maybe one
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Speaker 2: bionicle of each generation that came through, and they were
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Speaker 2: only like ten bucks. But I just felt I think
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Speaker 2: my mom either either I felt too guilty spending my
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Speaker 2: mom's money because she would always say, like how poor
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Speaker 2: we were. I don't know actually how poor we were,
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Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, but like I was always guilty. Sure,
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Speaker 2: I always felt guilty. So I only got one of
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Speaker 2: each generation, so that specific boncle whatever I got was
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Speaker 2: very precious to me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the one from that era.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So yeah, I think it's bionical. And I
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Speaker 2: think there was just like this world that I would
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Speaker 2: get into later on of people and helmets that I
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Speaker 2: could identify with, because then there's not like these physical
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Speaker 2: traits that I had sure that I could identify with,
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Speaker 2: and I could see myself within the mask and then
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Speaker 2: like expanded the lord that no one else was into Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, like I got really into that and being
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Speaker 2: the expert on that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty niche, even for the age group.
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Speaker 1: Like I think most kids will be like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I get Legos and stuff like that. Yeah, but to like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: to latch onto it because of like the law. They
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Speaker 1: were offering way more law than other Lego series, So
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Speaker 1: there was all that there. Yea, so there was stuff
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Speaker 1: to bite into, and I think, yeah, that's that makes
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense in terms of the the mask thing,
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Speaker 1: which I'm you've already telegraphed Marvel, so I'm sure we'll
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Speaker 1: get onto that later. But yeah, I think I I
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Speaker 1: think that's a good answer. Thank you, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, Bionical,
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Speaker 1: I have to do a Bionical. Yeah, the thing is right,
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Speaker 1: there's You, there's Drew, there's Aiden, and then we just
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Speaker 1: orders on every episode that's the panel. So it's just clueless,
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Speaker 1: which is so funny, Like, especially for something like as
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Speaker 1: niche as Bionical, I feel like we should do an
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Speaker 1: all encompassing Lego episode first. Nah, all right, moving on
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Speaker 1: to the next question. Now, I'm good at this interview stuff.
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Speaker 1: What I do is I say here's the next question,
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Speaker 1: and then say it, yeah, most of it. Most interviewers
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Speaker 1: these days will blend it right into the conversation and
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Speaker 1: do this neat little segue. But what I like to
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Speaker 1: do is say I'm asking the question.
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Speaker 2: Now, I love that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So, now thinking more about fandoms, media and your
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Speaker 1: connection and relationships to other people, what was the first
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Speaker 1: fandom you remember being a part of. Now, this doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to be irl where kids of the Internet age.
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Speaker 1: This could have been in an online space. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: what was the first time in your life you remembered
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Speaker 1: connecting with people.
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Speaker 2: This is a hard one for me because something I've
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Speaker 2: realized only recently about myself is that I don't really
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Speaker 2: engage in fandom. Like we did a drink Abeedia episode
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Speaker 2: where we discuss the history of fandoms. Yes, something about
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Speaker 2: the word fandom is I think I've been using it
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Speaker 2: as I'm a fan of this franchise's ipe, But throughout
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Speaker 2: my life I've never really interacted with a ton of
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Speaker 2: other people about the things that I like because I've
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Speaker 2: found out that people usually ruin it for me. Ever
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Speaker 2: since A yeah, yeah, so I don't interact with many
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Speaker 2: many fandoms, so I did. I did search deep for this,
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Speaker 2: but I think it's going to be Transformers on the
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Speaker 2: aspect that Transformers was and I was probably too old.
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Speaker 2: I was too old for this, but Transformers was the
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Speaker 2: first time I discovered what a podcast was.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: This was like before apps on phones and stuff like that.
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Speaker 2: You had to like and I know there's older people
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Speaker 2: who are like, yeah, stupid, but I like, you know,
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Speaker 2: I know you mean though, like, yeah, like you discover
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Speaker 2: forums and you discover podcasts without knowing what they are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just an RSS feed on a website.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an RSS feed on a website,
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Speaker 2: and it's it's not something that you're gonna be like,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get into podcasts now, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 2: because you don't even know what that really is exactly.
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Speaker 2: But there was a Transformers podcast that I listened to
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Speaker 2: that I commented on and I emailed to because I
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Speaker 2: was like that involved with this. I wanted other people
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Speaker 2: to talk to about this thing that yeah, yeah, because
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Speaker 2: I think after Bionicle it was going to be probably
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Speaker 2: Transformers that I got into the law of because again,
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Speaker 2: like Surface Level, there was a cartoon and it's just
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Speaker 2: commercials for plastic things.
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Speaker 1: If different colored robots different some of them look like
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Speaker 1: they have helmets that just don't have mouths or eyes
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Speaker 1: or ears.
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Speaker 2: But like getting into the lore of like oh my god,
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Speaker 2: it's a civil war and and all this other stuff
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Speaker 2: like that was something I got really really into and
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Speaker 2: delved into. And again the same thing with like the
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Speaker 2: disparity of like I got really into plastic and not
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Speaker 2: video games because again I didn't have a lot of
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Speaker 2: friends growing up. I didn't interact with a lot of
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Speaker 2: other kids. Growing up, I like moved. There was one
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Speaker 2: school year where I moved three times. So throughout my
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Speaker 2: life I moved a lot and didn't form long term
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Speaker 2: friendships with kids. So being able to go on a
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Speaker 2: website that talked about the next Transformer toy, yeah, was
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Speaker 2: like the closest thing I was going to get to
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Speaker 2: interacting with people. And then as I was thinking about
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Speaker 2: this question throughout the year, a little nugget came back.
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Speaker 2: This is weird. I used to spend summers with my cousins.
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Speaker 1: That's not weird.
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Speaker 2: That's not weird. What I'm about to say is weird.
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Speaker 2: And uh, they're like my best friends. They're like my
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Speaker 2: siblings now, but a nugget popped up in my head
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Speaker 2: where we used to We used to sneak computer time
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Speaker 2: and we used to watch YouTube series back in the
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Speaker 2: early YouTube day. Show Yeah, and somehow we got into
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Speaker 2: this hole. There was this weird little YouTube series called
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Speaker 2: My Little Transformers, Okay, and it was like, it's really bad.
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Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm just without any context. I'm just imagining
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Speaker 1: my little pony. Yeah, but the Transformers' faces are on
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Speaker 1: top of the horses faces.
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Speaker 2: I wish it was that good. It was just them
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Speaker 2: interacting with each other. It was just some adult who
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Speaker 2: was interacting with both series of toys. And they feel
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Speaker 2: like it was supposed to be like the comedies, the
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Speaker 2: juxtaposition of the two universes be.
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Speaker 1: Get it, two different demographics.
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Speaker 2: Ye yeah, but god, it's so cringing and so bad.
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Speaker 2: And it was like bad stop motion and bad dialogue.
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Speaker 2: It's like do you remember Mama, Ye?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that.
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Speaker 2: It was the days of people trying to make their
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Speaker 2: own films and animation with the tools that they had.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and it was bad. Most of it was
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Speaker 1: most machinema does not hold up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but my cousin was into like My Little
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Speaker 2: Pony and Littlest Pet Shop is an IP and I
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Speaker 2: was a Transformer. So we would watch that every now
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Speaker 2: and then. And that's probably the most interaction I've ever had,
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Speaker 2: is the sanctity of my family, Like, you can't judge
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Speaker 2: me because we're related.
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Speaker 1: Sure, but yeah, that's a classic family story. I think
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Speaker 1: you can. You can engage with the cringe at a
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Speaker 1: at a younger age. Yeah, but yeah, just that is
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Speaker 1: fandom that is connecting completely, and especially the emailing into
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Speaker 1: the to the Transformers podcast. Yeah, that very much is
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Speaker 1: fully engaging with a fandom.
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Speaker 2: I haven't email to a podcast since it's my little secret.
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Speaker 1: Well, might need to get you to write some fake correspondence.
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Speaker 1: Want to really start kicking things off in the new year.
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Speaker 2: So mad I really enjoyed our date that day. Please
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Speaker 2: respond to my email please.
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Speaker 1: I would like feedback on our interview episode that we
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Speaker 1: did together. Jason, you're supposed to pretend to be someone
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Speaker 1: from the other side of the world, won't We won't
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Speaker 1: fake correspondence much.
17:11
Speaker 2: All.
17:11
Speaker 1: It's an industry secret. All podcasts do it.
17:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a little hobbit aliases for each other.
17:18
Speaker 2: Lead Foot Trickle Bush.
17:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, lead Foot, trickle Bush, I like it. I say,
17:24
Speaker 1: more things off the top of your head. That's great. Okay,
17:29
Speaker 1: maybe we're in this space now if I'm getting the
17:31
Speaker 1: timeline correct with like machinema and stuff like that, and
17:35
Speaker 1: like we're sort of thinking about fifteen years ago in podcasting.
17:39
Speaker 1: So let's think about your teen brain obsessions at this point. Yeah,
17:42
Speaker 1: the teenage mind is an anxious and confusing one. Oh
17:47
Speaker 1: we all remember that time, yep. And so you can
17:50
Speaker 1: quite easily get hyper fixated on things, or even if
17:53
Speaker 1: it's not taking up a ton of your time, you
17:55
Speaker 1: can feel like your identity is attached to this thing,
17:58
Speaker 1: and like it is, it is a part of you
18:00
Speaker 1: and who you are. So what were some of those
18:02
Speaker 1: teen brain obsessions for you?
18:04
Speaker 2: So? I think, like, when I think of teen brain obsession,
18:07
Speaker 2: I think my nearly my entire high school identity was
18:12
Speaker 2: being the comic book guy. I think I won my
18:15
Speaker 2: high school accolade for biggest comic book fan whatever that accolade,
18:19
Speaker 2: you know, like most likely to be president Jason was.
18:23
Speaker 2: He's a fucking nerd when I was. So I mentioned
18:29
Speaker 2: previously that you know, I moved a lot as a kid,
18:31
Speaker 2: and wasn't able to form long term relationships. The first
18:34
Speaker 2: time I was able to do that was from the
18:36
Speaker 2: years of eighth grade to graduation of high school. I
18:39
Speaker 2: lived in Fairbanks, Alaska, which is a desolate place of
18:42
Speaker 2: nothing and it is cold and frigid and awful.
18:45
Speaker 1: Shout out to listeners in Fairbanks.
18:50
Speaker 2: I probably know you. But at the time I was
18:53
Speaker 2: going to high school as well, from the years of
18:55
Speaker 2: like twenty eleven to twenty fourteen, Marvel was at its
18:59
Speaker 2: absolute peak. Yeah, and so the things that I had
19:02
Speaker 2: been like closeted towards, the things that I got bullied
19:04
Speaker 2: for for being too old to enjoy and so and
19:06
Speaker 2: so forth, suddenly they became part of the zeitgeist. Suddenly
19:09
Speaker 2: they became cool. And all this information dump that teenagers
19:14
Speaker 2: were getting and wanting to be a part of they
19:17
Speaker 2: came to me for So suddenly I became maybe not
19:21
Speaker 2: necessarily cool, as I reflect back, but I became like
19:24
Speaker 2: the source of information. And so I kind of doubled
19:26
Speaker 2: down on that, like taking back my previous combook knowledge.
19:30
Speaker 2: You know, some of the off com books I read,
19:32
Speaker 2: I just got hard into. I just started reading a
19:33
Speaker 2: ton of comics. I was up on the MCU and
19:36
Speaker 2: all this other stuff, and so I fully became ingrained
19:41
Speaker 2: in the Marvel universe. And so I think that was
19:44
Speaker 2: like my biggest team brain obsession that has never like
19:48
Speaker 2: truly left me and my identity.
19:50
Speaker 1: I think I don't think they necessarily do. Yeah, I
19:52
Speaker 1: think they just fade a little more into the background.
19:54
Speaker 1: But yeah, still, like I was like me with pro wrestling,
19:56
Speaker 1: and I think I feel like I always want to
19:58
Speaker 1: keep abreast with everything that's.
19:59
Speaker 2: Going Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I yeah, that's exactly how
20:02
Speaker 2: I feel about about comics because like when I was
20:04
Speaker 2: a kid, I wanted to be a comebook artist, and
20:08
Speaker 2: by the time I became a teenager, like I still
20:10
Speaker 2: drew and I still draw it to this day. But
20:13
Speaker 2: I made this realization that like, oh, I do not
20:17
Speaker 2: practice this enough to become professional. But I enjoyed it,
20:21
Speaker 2: like I enjoyed like getting into the niche things. And
20:25
Speaker 2: I still, even though it was okay to talk about,
20:30
Speaker 2: I think I still was weird about it. Like I
20:33
Speaker 2: would people be like, what's the deal with like Hulk,
20:35
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, oh, man, do you want to
20:39
Speaker 2: get into Well they asked exactly, So yeah, I would
20:42
Speaker 2: just suck them in and would not let them escape
20:44
Speaker 2: from the coms.
20:45
Speaker 1: You need to know everything about all the red hulks, yeah,
20:47
Speaker 1: the green hulks and the blue yeah.
20:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got all the colors of a hult.
20:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of the helmets.
20:57
Speaker 2: Little ocs that I drew like that now, yeah, I think.
21:00
Speaker 2: I think Also in my teen years, I really started
21:03
Speaker 2: to revile anime, which was like an interesting part of
21:08
Speaker 2: my upbringing because as an Asian kid in the early
21:11
Speaker 2: two thousands, like the peak of Tsunami and stuff like that,
21:14
Speaker 2: Like anime was definitely something I was into at characters
21:17
Speaker 2: and animation that like I resonated with. But as I
21:19
Speaker 2: grew older, the crowd that enjoyed anime became cringier. Right,
21:25
Speaker 2: My just being Asian American in a landscape where there
21:29
Speaker 2: was very few Asian Americans became something that was immediately
21:34
Speaker 2: associated with anime, right Despite Like in my high school years,
21:37
Speaker 2: I completely disengaged with anime. But like I took Japanese
21:41
Speaker 2: for a year because it seemed like the language that
21:43
Speaker 2: was easiest for me, and I had to take a language,
21:46
Speaker 2: and like there I got a lot of physical touch, harassment,
21:51
Speaker 2: and microaggression, racism comments that like made me really revile
21:57
Speaker 2: and resent what anime, the community of ani, the fandom
22:00
Speaker 2: of anime was into, and then what I was from
22:04
Speaker 2: my physical appearance. So I started to revile it. I
22:08
Speaker 2: think toxic weeps, yeah, toxic weeps yeah yeah, And that
22:11
Speaker 2: happened in my teenage years. But like now that I'm
22:14
Speaker 2: a full grown adult and racism still, I'm okay with
22:18
Speaker 2: anime now, you know, Like it's.
22:20
Speaker 1: Like it's the it's the subsection of the fandom that
22:23
Speaker 1: are wrong and the iciest. Yeah, it's not the fulm itself. No, no, no, no,
22:27
Speaker 1: it's a it's a subsection.
22:28
Speaker 2: And as as time goes on and you know, has
22:30
Speaker 2: become as people become more educated and stuff like that,
22:32
Speaker 2: it's not something that is so prevalent. Kids in high
22:35
Speaker 2: school or kids in high school. They don't know how
22:37
Speaker 2: to communicate, they don't know how to they don't know themselves,
22:39
Speaker 2: and so the comments that they make to you are
22:41
Speaker 2: not ones that you should take into adulthood. Now, people
22:44
Speaker 2: in adulthood are going making those comments to me. That sucks, yeah,
22:47
Speaker 2: but that's also their decisions and that's not indicative of
22:49
Speaker 2: the entire fandom at all. No, Yeah, no, so that
22:53
Speaker 2: happened in my teenage years.
22:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, you know, it sounds like a classic
22:57
Speaker 1: mixed bag of teenage stuff. You got to you got
22:59
Speaker 1: to get out about things that you loved, but you
23:02
Speaker 1: also felt shame and received negativity of the toxic parts
23:07
Speaker 1: of fandom because I felt like they had a strong
23:10
Speaker 1: identity and strong feelings something and maybe as as weebs,
23:14
Speaker 1: they felt like, ah, yes we are now Like I
23:17
Speaker 1: don't know, there's a very like colonialist mindset in like
23:20
Speaker 1: I consume Eastern media and so therefore I am that now,
23:24
Speaker 1: and I think I can just engage with anyone and
23:27
Speaker 1: assume things about them.
23:28
Speaker 2: Definitely, ask me in high school, they're like, you don't
23:30
Speaker 2: make one Gary? Me and my mom make Onegary all
23:32
Speaker 2: the time. And they were like a white person and
23:33
Speaker 2: I was like, one not my culture? Yeah, why are
23:36
Speaker 2: you making one Gary all the time? Like it's just
23:39
Speaker 2: it's just soy sauce and rice. Yes, come on, dude.
23:43
Speaker 1: Chill out, whitey all right. Well, not to get negative.
23:47
Speaker 1: I've said that every time I've like introduced it like that,
23:50
Speaker 1: it's like not to get negative. And it's obvious when
23:52
Speaker 1: people in an interview, are doing that that they want
23:54
Speaker 1: to get.
23:54
Speaker 2: A push make it as negative as fast.
23:57
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, good idea. Actually I'm not happy with
24:00
Speaker 1: how this date is going, and so I'd like to
24:02
Speaker 1: get really really negative for a second. I couldn't even
24:05
Speaker 1: say it without laughing. So only go into as much
24:09
Speaker 1: detail as you'd like to go into. Don't feel like
24:12
Speaker 1: this has to be one of those podcasts where people
24:14
Speaker 1: bear their soul and stuff like that. But if you
24:17
Speaker 1: want to say it whatever.
24:19
Speaker 2: You're already breaking up with me, I might as well.
24:22
Speaker 2: It's not even over yet.
24:23
Speaker 1: You still have three more questions.
24:25
Speaker 2: I know desserts on its way.
24:27
Speaker 1: Which media text or fandom and that can include community
24:31
Speaker 1: has been a source of comfort in difficult times for you?
24:35
Speaker 1: So this could be at any point throughout your life.
24:38
Speaker 1: What's something that is like your comfort food of media?
24:42
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was like, oh, man, do I make it
24:44
Speaker 2: Forrest Gump? Because that is one But I.
24:52
Speaker 1: Love that it's the one film specifically. It's not just
24:55
Speaker 1: like the films of Tom Hanks, No, the films of
24:57
Speaker 1: Roberts and mechis like how Wolming nineties dramas. Yeah, it
25:02
Speaker 1: is Forest Gump.
25:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jene, But I think I think it's comic books.
25:08
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to comic books. It just
25:09
Speaker 2: coincides with how the order of these questions come back to.
25:12
Speaker 2: But for me, I think anytime like I'm feeling down
25:15
Speaker 2: in the dumbs or I feel like nothing else is
25:17
Speaker 2: giving me joy, I think what comic books does is
25:21
Speaker 2: and this is the breath of comboos as well. This
25:23
Speaker 2: is DC, this is Marvel, this is indie comics, web tunes,
25:27
Speaker 2: any any form of that. I think what it does
25:29
Speaker 2: is ultimately it's storytelling that brings me back into a
25:33
Speaker 2: land of comfort. It's characters that I know. But even
25:37
Speaker 2: if it's been years and there's been you know, like
25:41
Speaker 2: so many things that they've died, or the whole landscape
25:45
Speaker 2: of power has changed and all this other stuff, and
25:47
Speaker 2: I have no idea what's going on? Who's this guy?
25:50
Speaker 2: I think what I always come back to with comics
25:53
Speaker 2: is that it's going to be complex narratives that is
25:58
Speaker 2: also familiar. So even if it's like the mcguffin of
26:01
Speaker 2: Draxlore or whatever the hell is going on, it is
26:05
Speaker 2: going to engage my brain enough to forget what's going
26:07
Speaker 2: on currently. But then it's also going to be like
26:09
Speaker 2: I know, I know Peter Quail, I know Peter Parker, I.
26:13
Speaker 1: Know yeah the other.
26:16
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, yeah, I know Batman, I know Superman. Like
26:18
Speaker 2: I know these characters and the depths of their souls now, I.
26:23
Speaker 1: Know, But the familiar characters have consistency across decades.
26:27
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I know their core concepts. I know the
26:30
Speaker 2: miniscule changes that have gone through. But here's something new,
26:32
Speaker 2: and here's something added to the wrench, and here's something
26:35
Speaker 2: that's going to add to the nest of tools that
26:37
Speaker 2: I have, yes, and reward me for being there for
26:40
Speaker 2: the long term and understanding like the small references and nuances.
26:43
Speaker 2: So I think it always comes back to these childhood characters,
26:49
Speaker 2: but that have developed with me and will forever develop.
26:52
Speaker 2: There will always be a new story, right, There always
26:55
Speaker 2: be a new version as well. Like I'm not one
26:57
Speaker 2: of those puists. I enjoy all sorts and I enjoyed
27:00
Speaker 2: dipping into it. I like the else worlds. Everyone's a
27:03
Speaker 2: vampires that just speaks to my edgy little heart. Yeah yeah,
27:07
Speaker 2: So I think it's always going to be comic book
27:09
Speaker 2: set that I come back to. Honestly, I'm gonna get
27:11
Speaker 2: a combook tattoo.
27:13
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I think that'd be cool if you got
27:14
Speaker 1: something in mind.
27:15
Speaker 2: Yeah I do. Oh yeah, let's I mean it's an interviewing.
27:18
Speaker 2: I would like I have listeners of podcasts. Note that
27:21
Speaker 2: I have a young brother with a considerable age gap
27:24
Speaker 2: as me. Anytime I just I'll watching media with brothers.
27:26
Speaker 2: It always like speaks to me. That's very important to me.
27:29
Speaker 2: I was an only child until I was fourteen years old.
27:31
Speaker 2: So I'd like like a Peter Parker and Miles Morales
27:34
Speaker 2: oh tattoo because I feel like they're indicative of our character,
27:38
Speaker 2: like our characters with each other, our perspectives of each other.
27:42
Speaker 2: And then also I like spider Man.
27:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, because spider Man's cool?
27:47
Speaker 2: You play that? Play spider Man two? Yet it's cool.
27:51
Speaker 1: I have not played spider Man two. You haven't played
27:52
Speaker 1: Spider Man. No, No, I played. I played Miles Morales.
27:56
Speaker 1: I played that one.
27:56
Speaker 2: That's cool.
27:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I played one in Miles Mars. Yeah, that
28:00
Speaker 1: could be a cool brother if I wanted to be. No, Yeah,
28:02
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Like like comic books,
28:05
Speaker 1: I like that you point out that like the familiarity,
28:07
Speaker 1: but it's different so it's like there's gonna be a
28:10
Speaker 1: new twist to the story. Yeah, there's gonna be They're
28:13
Speaker 1: going to have this part of their character analyzed and
28:15
Speaker 1: subverted on this specific adventure. Yeah, but you know that,
28:18
Speaker 1: like I'm still ultimately returning to this familiar landscape of
28:23
Speaker 1: familiar faces.
28:24
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I've grown up with Thor and
28:27
Speaker 2: whatever he goes on to next, like I know where
28:29
Speaker 2: he came from or whatever the context is. I don't
28:32
Speaker 2: actually even like Thor that much.
28:37
Speaker 1: You know what, You've won me back over with that.
28:38
Speaker 1: I'll stick around for the days.
28:41
Speaker 2: Chris Hemsworth, boy, are we well?
28:43
Speaker 1: No, you said you didn't like Thow that much and I.
28:45
Speaker 2: Agree, No, oh yeah, oh yeah because people push Thoragnarok
28:48
Speaker 2: on you and yeah yeah what is this?
28:50
Speaker 1: Yeah that kind of annoyed me.
28:54
Speaker 2: And that's fair. I say comic books, not the MCU.
28:57
Speaker 1: That's true. You did say comic books. Yeah yeah, yeah.
29:00
Speaker 2: Read the one where they're all vampires. It's sick, to.
29:02
Speaker 1: Be honest, I'd rather Look, I've got nothing against comics,
29:05
Speaker 1: it's just not one thing. Yeah, And I would rather
29:07
Speaker 1: read about one where they're all vampires because it's cool,
29:10
Speaker 1: Because it's just genuinely different.
29:12
Speaker 2: It's speaking.
29:12
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it is the season.
29:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll suck your blood. Mate.
29:18
Speaker 1: Let's bring things to the present now, turn my page.
29:21
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, you brought notes to it,
29:27
Speaker 1: So let's bring things to the present day. Let's look
29:30
Speaker 1: at the now. It's important to live in the now
29:32
Speaker 1: and then now is happening. Here we are, We've enjoyed
29:36
Speaker 1: them now. Yeah, it's a good time. I'm feeling sparks.
29:39
Speaker 1: It's good stuff, lovely, thank you. It's the light. It's
29:43
Speaker 1: the good lighting we've got in here. You look great too,
29:47
Speaker 1: thank you. This is why I'm shitty on dates in
29:51
Speaker 1: the present. What is your current favorite fandom or community
29:55
Speaker 1: to be a part of where you're getting your sort
29:57
Speaker 1: of like social fandom energy.
29:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I think I think this is the community.
30:02
Speaker 2: And I'll use community that I'm the most involved in,
30:07
Speaker 2: not that I've talked to any I've just lurked. Hey,
30:10
Speaker 2: that's fine, and there's lots of people that I lerk.
30:12
Speaker 2: I'm really really enjoying the crafting community, and I'm gonna
30:17
Speaker 2: use that in a broad sense like I I mostly cosplay. Well,
30:22
Speaker 2: caveats to all all this it's it's very complex, Like
30:24
Speaker 2: I like making things. We've got it, We've got I've
30:27
Speaker 2: got a three D printer here that I'm making lots
30:29
Speaker 2: of props and various items out of. And I'm really
30:32
Speaker 2: enjoying both the three D printing aspect the post processing aspect,
30:36
Speaker 2: and I just love I just love making cool sick
30:39
Speaker 2: helmets and props. I think I've always been obsessed with
30:44
Speaker 2: holding an item and the power that it resides when
30:49
Speaker 2: you when you hold an item and feel like it's
30:51
Speaker 2: a physical object that is connected to this fictional universe
30:55
Speaker 2: that you're a part of. Yeah, but I'm also really
30:57
Speaker 2: just enjoying the minutia the techniques that people or employing.
31:00
Speaker 2: I really love watching other people cosplay, whether it's from
31:04
Speaker 2: you know, low budget items and and kind of like
31:06
Speaker 2: almost blue grassy is kind of how it feels of
31:09
Speaker 2: how some of these people put it to the high
31:11
Speaker 2: level stuff. You know, people who are making props on
31:14
Speaker 2: a level that I would say is like Hollywood level.
31:15
Speaker 2: You know, they're they're getting into the two moles from
31:19
Speaker 2: Silicon and you know, getting things at a resin and
31:22
Speaker 2: even like even the almost blue grassy parts of like
31:27
Speaker 2: creating a business model out of making props for other people.
31:31
Speaker 2: I'm even interested by costplay itself, like cost players. Yeah,
31:34
Speaker 2: and the power it holds. I think a small psycho
31:38
Speaker 2: thing that I psychological thing. Yeah, yeah, that's for date
31:44
Speaker 2: number two, the things I've printed, Matt. But I think
31:49
Speaker 2: a small psychological thing that I've been getting into is
31:52
Speaker 2: people make fun of furries. Sure, I get it. This
31:55
Speaker 2: is not where I review on a furry, but I
31:58
Speaker 2: get it. Like I've been seeing more thesev tubers and
32:01
Speaker 2: furries and people cosplay and people and my love of
32:04
Speaker 2: like helmeted characters being in a helmet, And I get
32:07
Speaker 2: it in the sense that, like, this fleshy tomb that
32:12
Speaker 2: we are in is not for everyone. Absolutely, it doesn't
32:15
Speaker 2: feel great sometimes, but to be able to escape into
32:19
Speaker 2: a different form that hides most, if not all, of
32:22
Speaker 2: your body and lets you be someone else is pretty
32:26
Speaker 2: dang cool. So I'm starting to understand that a bit
32:29
Speaker 2: more and be more empathetic towards those people who hide
32:34
Speaker 2: quote unquote behind a facade.
32:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, like like like the word for it, cosplay
32:39
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, it's it's play, it's costuming. Yeah, it's
32:42
Speaker 1: the chance to become something else. For a little bit
32:45
Speaker 1: to escape. Yeah, I told you get that.
32:47
Speaker 2: So I love all of it. And then it goes
32:49
Speaker 2: into other aspects too, like we have people in our
32:51
Speaker 2: lives who are part of the fiber arts community, and
32:54
Speaker 2: while I don't partake, I don't think my fingers could
32:57
Speaker 2: do it or I have the patience for it necessary,
33:00
Speaker 2: it's hecka cool. Like I've been seeing people with garments,
33:04
Speaker 2: but I've also been seeing people make like awesome sick
33:07
Speaker 2: dragons or like little plushies of moodang and and all
33:10
Speaker 2: these other things. Like it's it's very cool to see
33:13
Speaker 2: people work on crafts, be part of their art, but
33:18
Speaker 2: also just work on the technique aspect up their skill,
33:21
Speaker 2: be creative within that skill, learn new techniques, and learn
33:23
Speaker 2: from each other. Like all of that is just super
33:26
Speaker 2: duper cool to me.
33:27
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely totally if you considered the idea of like,
33:31
Speaker 1: because you you you're really good at making the things
33:33
Speaker 1: you make. Thank you the things that I'll shout out
33:36
Speaker 1: the Clone Trooper helmet, thank you very impressives.
33:39
Speaker 2: Thank you.
33:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, and is it the do you do the full
33:43
Speaker 1: outfit as well?
33:43
Speaker 2: Did you do I did the full Yeah, so the
33:46
Speaker 2: helmet is three D printed. I made a full suit
33:48
Speaker 2: out of foam, and I'm a project. A personal project
33:51
Speaker 2: of mind will be to slowly replace all pieces with PLA.
33:54
Speaker 2: And at first I wasn't gonna get into this, but
33:57
Speaker 2: I kind of want to join the Fible first, which
33:58
Speaker 2: is a charity group that is completely free to join.
34:02
Speaker 2: But it's people who have movie accurate costumes and they
34:07
Speaker 2: go I do charity work and they walk in like
34:10
Speaker 2: five k's or like children hospital nice and like, yeah,
34:12
Speaker 2: just bring some some of that Star Wars vibes into stuff. Yeah,
34:16
Speaker 2: I think I'll try to be a part of that,
34:17
Speaker 2: sometimes long termical long term goal.
34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna ask you if you
34:20
Speaker 1: wanted to like pursue couseplaying as a more sort of
34:23
Speaker 1: public copy inters like I'm gonna build an outfit and
34:27
Speaker 1: then yeah, show it off and make it and show
34:30
Speaker 1: up at connons and that kind of thing.
34:31
Speaker 2: I don't know if I will. I've costplayed once or
34:34
Speaker 2: twice at cons and I just I've costplayed once as
34:38
Speaker 2: a World War Two Captain America, and then I costplayed
34:41
Speaker 2: the second time as the Clone Trooper. I really like
34:43
Speaker 2: the Clone Trooper one because again, no face I think
34:46
Speaker 2: that's another part of it, is like I really don't
34:48
Speaker 2: want people to precede me as as a character. Me personally,
34:51
Speaker 2: I just don't think like I look like a lot
34:53
Speaker 2: of people. And I know that's I know that's not
34:55
Speaker 2: the case for everyone, but that's for me personally. That's
34:57
Speaker 2: right for me. And then and I suck at social
35:01
Speaker 2: media and taking pictures of myself, So there's a commitment
35:04
Speaker 2: that would go into that. Sure, it's just not worth
35:06
Speaker 2: it for me. I'm kind of just into again, like
35:09
Speaker 2: kind of kind of the thing that we talked about before.
35:10
Speaker 2: I'm kind of just I like the things that I like,
35:13
Speaker 2: and I kind of like to keep it insular. Yeah,
35:15
Speaker 2: I can share it with people who are as willing
35:17
Speaker 2: and accepting as yourself, Like awesome. I'm super glad for that,
35:20
Speaker 2: and it makes me very happy that I can share
35:22
Speaker 2: those things. But to share the love for those other
35:26
Speaker 2: things is not a requisite in my life.
35:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's totally fat. I just think you've got
35:30
Speaker 1: the you've got the skill. I understand the personal things,
35:33
Speaker 1: but you've got the skill to be like, hey, here's
35:36
Speaker 1: the movie accurate outfit I've made. Yeah, thank you so much,
35:39
Speaker 1: and I think just in the right space. Again, it's
35:41
Speaker 1: the effort of social media and keeping that up and stuff,
35:43
Speaker 1: but in the right spaces online and in real life,
35:46
Speaker 1: it would be a hugely positive react.
35:47
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Yeah. I think being I think
35:49
Speaker 2: if if I do become part of the fib of First,
35:51
Speaker 2: I don't think that will be my first foray into
35:54
Speaker 2: participating in fandom where the fib of First is a community.
35:57
Speaker 2: There's like ranks and there's four it's kind of freaking
36:01
Speaker 2: crazy and it's very intimidating for me. But I think
36:03
Speaker 2: if I did become a part of that, that would
36:05
Speaker 2: be my first foray into that. We'll see, we'll see. Yeah,
36:08
Speaker 2: see what's down the line. Yeah, yeah, good stuff. Thank you.
36:12
Speaker 1: Let's get a bit negative. Yeah, the toxicity exists, We've
36:15
Speaker 1: addressed it. We know it's there. Yeah, what fandom or
36:17
Speaker 1: community you conflicted over being a part of but maybe
36:21
Speaker 1: you can't quite quit, or maybe it's one that got
36:24
Speaker 1: too toxic and you were like, peace peace out.
36:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I think I've touched on some. But
36:29
Speaker 2: I think this is a great segue because I think
36:32
Speaker 2: the biggest one that I have to hit is gonna
36:34
Speaker 2: be Star Wars.
36:35
Speaker 1: We were talking about the Five o first, we're talking about.
36:37
Speaker 2: The Five of Firs. Actually, I found out I've been
36:39
Speaker 2: rereading this book that I have. It's called How Star
36:42
Speaker 2: Wars Conquered the Universe by Chris Taylor. It goes into
36:45
Speaker 2: the history of Star Wars, but also not just the films,
36:49
Speaker 2: the franchise itself, and one of the exerts in that
36:52
Speaker 2: story talk about the origin of the Five of Verse
36:54
Speaker 2: and how it's creator was like this guy who was
36:58
Speaker 2: an amputee and like spent two thousand dollars as like it.
37:02
Speaker 2: He begged his wife to get it for him. He
37:04
Speaker 2: was like, you don't have to get me Christmas presents.
37:05
Speaker 2: For like the next ten years put it together. It sucked.
37:08
Speaker 2: People made fun of him. And then he got another costume,
37:12
Speaker 2: worked on it, got with a bunch of other people
37:15
Speaker 2: who were costpling a Stormtroopers and went, oh, it looks
37:18
Speaker 2: better with other people. And then he was like going
37:22
Speaker 2: to a local con and was like, Hi, do you
37:23
Speaker 2: want to be Are you hard working? You dedicated? Do
37:26
Speaker 2: you like? Star Wars joined the fib of first only
37:28
Speaker 2: expecting like one hundred and fifty people, and now it's
37:30
Speaker 2: this like huge legion of people that are supportive and
37:34
Speaker 2: he feels like a storm Trooper net Like. It's very
37:36
Speaker 2: heartwarming story. Yeah, and I prelude that with the Final
37:40
Speaker 2: first because it's a goal of mine and it's a
37:42
Speaker 2: neat and lovely story, because there are nice moments in
37:46
Speaker 2: the Star Wars community like that where people are brought
37:49
Speaker 2: together by this idea of I mean it's an alien world.
37:53
Speaker 2: It's like it's a galaxy far far away. Yes, infinite possibilities.
37:57
Speaker 2: It's this huge fantasy and honestly, the universe verse is
38:01
Speaker 2: what captivates the majority of us.
38:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the universe is very original and exciting in
38:06
Speaker 1: terms of like this, like you said, there's so much
38:08
Speaker 1: that can be done within it. Yeah, there are so
38:09
Speaker 1: many worlds to be explored. Yeah, this idea of the
38:12
Speaker 1: force and like yes, energy that binds everything living together.
38:16
Speaker 1: It's all fascinating. And then you get to the.
38:19
Speaker 2: Reality of being a fan or meeting a fan in
38:22
Speaker 2: real life and the toxicity behind it. I I had
38:26
Speaker 2: heard things about like people bullying the kid the kid
38:30
Speaker 2: Ana skin Skywalker yeap. Yeah, yeah, not so you be
38:34
Speaker 2: for him? No, No, not a terrible time, No, No,
38:36
Speaker 2: I'm at best the character, the actor who plays the
38:40
Speaker 2: character Jarjar Binks, Yeah, Hayten Christians himself onto like modern
38:45
Speaker 2: times with like Rose Tico, the character who's played by
38:50
Speaker 2: Vitemi's actress. Yes, and like the Acolyte, all this hatred
38:54
Speaker 2: that comes up, this vitriol that comes out, and I
38:57
Speaker 2: had never really truly witnessed it. I'd heard about it
39:00
Speaker 2: until The Acolyte came out, and in my Instagram feed
39:02
Speaker 2: was just countless amounts of comments that were just hitting
39:06
Speaker 2: my feed. I just think, like I'm so out of
39:08
Speaker 2: participating with fantoms that I don't look at comments. I
39:11
Speaker 2: definitely don't comment. Yeah, but I don't even look at comments.
39:13
Speaker 2: I just look at the posts and yeah, awesome. But
39:16
Speaker 2: just like the vitriol that comes out of just complete ignorance.
39:20
Speaker 1: It's wild. There's a if I can talk about it
39:23
Speaker 1: for a bit, because I often have to like look
39:25
Speaker 1: in these spaces when doing fandom flashback around a dat
39:28
Speaker 1: you should talk too. Yeah, I should also talk as well.
39:29
Speaker 1: Thank you for allowing me to. Of course, that's a
39:31
Speaker 1: point for next time. Yeah. Just the the Star Wars
39:35
Speaker 1: fandom more than any other one, seems to have like
39:38
Speaker 1: a real hate machine. Behind it in terms of like,
39:41
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's across of the social media, but on YouTube,
39:44
Speaker 1: like people are being rewarded for having negative opinions in
39:49
Speaker 1: the algorithm, which then you see parroted across the rest
39:53
Speaker 1: of social media. So I can't remember any of the
39:56
Speaker 1: names of the channels because I try not to let
39:57
Speaker 1: them sink in. But there's about four five popular ones
40:01
Speaker 1: where the whole point of their ten minute videos so
40:04
Speaker 1: that they meet the monetization. Yes, thing is I hate this.
40:09
Speaker 1: You should hate it too. Yep, it's bad because I'm
40:11
Speaker 1: a racist, and then everyone else just then parrots that
40:15
Speaker 1: across yea. And the answer most of the time is
40:18
Speaker 1: this was an average piece of media that was made
40:20
Speaker 1: that that was on the region from okay to great. Yeah,
40:25
Speaker 1: and it's fall somewhere on that spectrum. But each one
40:28
Speaker 1: has to be the worst thing ever, yeah, because then
40:30
Speaker 1: you get lots of people commenting, then you get lots
40:32
Speaker 1: of engagement. Yeah, And that's their paycheck, that's how they
40:34
Speaker 1: make money.
40:35
Speaker 2: It's controversy for controversy's sake, And ultimately the truth is
40:38
Speaker 2: and there's some bad things for sure, like I'm not
40:40
Speaker 2: a Star Wars fan. That's going to defend every single thing.
40:42
Speaker 2: There's not bad things out there. I was sorely disappointed
40:44
Speaker 2: by a book, a Boa Affair, and even potentially more controversially,
40:48
Speaker 2: I think Kenobi was like a huge disappointment as well.
40:51
Speaker 1: But like, those aren't the critical videos that are making
40:53
Speaker 1: it to the top of the algorithm. Yeah, to say
40:55
Speaker 1: that this is a disappointment, but here are some good things.
40:57
Speaker 1: Like unfortunately nu onanes to opinions do not make clicks
41:01
Speaker 1: and views. Yeah, and those are the loudest voices unfortunately.
41:06
Speaker 1: Like ultimately, like if you watch the act Lite, if
41:08
Speaker 1: you walk down the street and we're to talk to
41:10
Speaker 1: someone who watched the Acclite or whatever, it's fine, it's weird,
41:14
Speaker 1: but that's Star Wars.
41:15
Speaker 2: Star Wars is weird and strange. And this idea, this
41:19
Speaker 2: precious idea that people have had, ultimately comes from like
41:23
Speaker 2: a previous generation who one of the things that George
41:27
Speaker 2: Lucas talked about early on in the development of Star Wars,
41:29
Speaker 2: I don't think it's so true now this book is
41:31
Speaker 2: about ten years old, but he goes the force is
41:33
Speaker 2: a simple concept. I wanted it to be simple. There's
41:36
Speaker 2: not a lot of rules to it. Because I found
41:38
Speaker 2: out the more detail that got with it. I think
41:40
Speaker 2: he says something along the lines of the more people
41:42
Speaker 2: had a specific idea about it, and that's not what
41:44
Speaker 2: I wanted for the Force or my world. I wanted
41:47
Speaker 2: people to experience creativity and create their own idea about
41:53
Speaker 2: the Force for themselves. Fun of act Midichlorians were drafted
41:57
Speaker 2: back in nineteen seventy seven, I believe it. Yeah, yeah,
42:00
Speaker 2: but there's a beauty and a double edged sword to that.
42:04
Speaker 2: And I think I also read this this idea a
42:08
Speaker 2: long time ago by Kirvonicut that said, once you put
42:11
Speaker 2: ideas down on paper and give it out to the world,
42:14
Speaker 2: they no longer become your ideas.
42:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
42:16
Speaker 2: A person is going to take those, internalize them, and
42:19
Speaker 2: interpret those into their own thoughts and feelings and how
42:22
Speaker 2: they see those ideas. And there's a beauty to that.
42:26
Speaker 2: There's there's a whole new generation of people who are
42:29
Speaker 2: creating in Star Wars, and it's making some cool stuff
42:33
Speaker 2: for the next generation. And there's people who have held
42:35
Speaker 2: on to ideas as well. I think this whole idea
42:38
Speaker 2: of canon, truly outside of Star Wars, just canon is
42:43
Speaker 2: kind of creating the majority of the toxicity.
42:46
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
42:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so precious about this idea knowing the facts,
42:52
Speaker 2: but it's like, do the facts serve the story or
42:55
Speaker 2: do the facts even matter because all this shit's fake.
42:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's whole fiction. It's all into tament. The
43:00
Speaker 1: thing I go back to is Shakespeare, right. Yeah, it's
43:03
Speaker 1: like one of the oldest cultural things that's still around
43:07
Speaker 1: to this day in a major way. Pretty much every
43:09
Speaker 1: city in the world will put on a Shakespeare play
43:13
Speaker 1: once a kind of thing. They'll always It's constantly in
43:16
Speaker 1: the culture, and so many stories are influenced by it.
43:19
Speaker 1: But Shakespeare is constantly remixed and rehashed and new worlds
43:23
Speaker 1: are built. We're going to interpret Midsomer Night's Dream in
43:26
Speaker 1: this way and it's going to actually be set in
43:28
Speaker 1: this world. And I just think that's all any property
43:32
Speaker 1: should be, is just like a vehicle in which to
43:35
Speaker 1: tell stories. And if the story's good, the story's good.
43:39
Speaker 1: If the characters are good, the characters are good. Canon
43:43
Speaker 1: doesn't really much. Law can be interesting, Law is interesting,
43:46
Speaker 1: but the idea of canon, yeah, it just causes problems.
43:48
Speaker 2: I mean, even going back, like even to use the
43:50
Speaker 2: analogy of Shakespeare, right, Like a lot of what we
43:54
Speaker 2: know about Roman culture and Greek culture I think kind
43:58
Speaker 2: of has its like it's it's all Jens and Shakespeare
44:01
Speaker 2: like that, where myth and and fact in history in
44:06
Speaker 2: that era is is very blurred, right, like the Iliad?
44:10
Speaker 2: What percentage of that are we saying?
44:11
Speaker 1: Is?
44:13
Speaker 2: You know? And like and so in a similar way,
44:16
Speaker 2: when people are like experts on Greek mythology, you're gonna
44:20
Speaker 2: find someone else who's like, you know, that's actually not
44:22
Speaker 2: the story different and it's like, yeah, there's just so
44:26
Speaker 2: many different pieces of knowledge out there that when they
44:30
Speaker 2: rehash Hercules or or or some Greek myth for like
44:34
Speaker 2: got a War, Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, we love it.
44:37
Speaker 1: It's great.
44:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:38
Speaker 1: I think the best people in fandom space is the
44:41
Speaker 1: ones who fight for their interpretation of it but kind
44:45
Speaker 1: of caveat it all with But that's just my interpretation. Yes,
44:48
Speaker 1: this is my read, This is how I choose to
44:49
Speaker 1: read The Lord of the Ring.
44:50
Speaker 2: This caveat goes a long long way. Man, I'm a
44:52
Speaker 2: Star Wars fan. But it's fine, Like I've met not
44:56
Speaker 2: to bash another fandom, but I'm going to do it
44:57
Speaker 2: because it's a little to toxic. Heure. I've met too
45:03
Speaker 2: many adult Harry Potter fans. Yes, and we have friends
45:07
Speaker 2: who are into Harry Potter. I even admit that the
45:09
Speaker 2: world is vastly interesting. Those first three movies fucking bangers,
45:13
Speaker 2: love them. Heye, Dobby, what But I've met too many
45:19
Speaker 2: adult Harry Potter fans that defend JK. Ralling, defend her writing,
45:23
Speaker 2: and defend those books specifically. And it's like, I will
45:27
Speaker 2: sit here and say that I love Star Wars a
45:32
Speaker 2: new hope. I think it's a good film. I think
45:34
Speaker 2: it's fun. But if someone was like, it's stupid or
45:38
Speaker 2: there's no friend of ours, friend of ours, friend of
45:41
Speaker 2: the show. Jen says that the original trially has no consequences,
45:45
Speaker 2: valid valid points if anyone were to criticize Star Wars
45:48
Speaker 2: to me, all valid points. I've met too many adult
45:51
Speaker 2: Harry Potter fans that just don't see it as a
45:54
Speaker 2: kid's book, see it as a great text. And I'm like, dude,
45:58
Speaker 2: have you heard of Tony Morrison, Harvonnegut? Like anything? Yes,
46:02
Speaker 2: to read an adult book.
46:03
Speaker 1: Please, it's not it's good, it's good children's literature.
46:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the world's fascinating, absolutely leave it at that, please. Yeah,
46:11
Speaker 2: but you know it's it's people who it's the conceit
46:13
Speaker 2: of the show gate liabers itself. It's like, you love
46:16
Speaker 2: what you love, but you gotta be able to let
46:18
Speaker 2: go and let it be fake and fun.
46:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, because then it just gets more fun.
46:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
46:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you enjoy it more and yeah, yeah it's
46:25
Speaker 1: great stuffy. Star Wars, Yeah, yeah, star Wars. Yeah, toxic
46:29
Speaker 1: little fandom. How many times have you come up as
46:32
Speaker 1: the answer to that question. I think at least three.
46:35
Speaker 1: It's look, Star Wars, stort yourself out. All right, we
46:40
Speaker 1: come to the final question where we've been three your
46:42
Speaker 1: life through fandom, but now we're gonna look forward to
46:45
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, so what's a What's a fandom or
46:48
Speaker 1: media property that you want to get into but you
46:50
Speaker 1: haven't yet? I don't.
46:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how I feel about this answer either.
46:55
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say broadly, music, Okay, music. I think I
47:00
Speaker 2: think we've talked about this personally. I don't think I've
47:01
Speaker 2: ever said this out loud. I'm not a music guy,
47:05
Speaker 2: and what I mean by that is I'm not one
47:07
Speaker 2: of those crazy people who don't like music. I love music.
47:10
Speaker 2: It's a vibe. I listen to an odd goddly amount
47:12
Speaker 2: of Spotify. Like when my Spotify raps came up, it
47:15
Speaker 2: was it was like thousands of minutes. Because what I
47:19
Speaker 2: do is I'll put it in the car, I'll put
47:21
Speaker 2: it in the gym. But also I just want background
47:24
Speaker 2: noise for any time.
47:24
Speaker 1: It's I say, is it functional for you where it's
47:27
Speaker 1: like it's serving a purpose but you're not like engaging with.
47:30
Speaker 2: Artists exactly that, where you know it's either a vibe
47:33
Speaker 2: or it creates like an atmosphere for me certainly, And
47:36
Speaker 2: there'll be some music where I'm like, when I listen
47:38
Speaker 2: to it, I'm like, oh, oh my god, you know,
47:41
Speaker 2: like I'm into it. But in regards to I just
47:45
Speaker 2: don't think my brain functions this way, or maybe I
47:47
Speaker 2: haven't trained my brain to function this way. But in
47:49
Speaker 2: regards to like following certain artists, knowing albums, knowing years,
47:54
Speaker 2: knowing their journey, I don't give two shits about their journey.
47:57
Speaker 1: Hey, Often it's a narrative. Often it's a story, yeah yeah, yeah,
48:00
Speaker 1: And it's just not something that I grasped onto.
48:03
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't even really pay attention to lyrics.
48:05
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, I'll sing in the car in prevac. Yeah,
48:11
Speaker 2: in the middle of this restaurant over his day, and
48:14
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, oh, dude, if I just whip
48:17
Speaker 2: out a guitar right now, I'd be gone.
48:20
Speaker 1: I'd be gone. That's the opposite of what I'm in
48:21
Speaker 1: seeing what look at people who play instruments very sexy. Yeah,
48:26
Speaker 1: I think the I play too, the very sexy thank you,
48:29
Speaker 1: But I think the whole like I'm going to use
48:32
Speaker 1: this as part of my chom function is kind of
48:35
Speaker 1: like hitting a cheap button in a way that's like
48:38
Speaker 1: scientifically proven to be a cheap button.
48:40
Speaker 2: I don't know. This sounds like a red flag right now,
48:45
Speaker 2: but yeah, I just I just don't engage with the
48:48
Speaker 2: larger sphere of music. I like when people ask me,
48:51
Speaker 2: like what music are you into, I do default to
48:53
Speaker 2: the basic answer of like everything, because it's hard to say, Like,
48:57
Speaker 2: my favorite artists are Marvin Gaye and the Jackson Five
49:01
Speaker 2: and like K pop groups. But then also I'll listen
49:04
Speaker 2: to Mongolian throat singing and I.
49:07
Speaker 1: That's I feel like that's valid in the twenty twenties,
49:09
Speaker 1: like right, yeah, like like there's a there's a lot
49:12
Speaker 1: of stuff most people spotify is are pretty chaotic like.
49:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and but but ultimately the true answer is
49:18
Speaker 2: is probably because I don't singularly identify with any artists
49:23
Speaker 2: or band and I'm it sounds like a cop. I
49:25
Speaker 2: sound like a I sound like those people who are
49:28
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I kind of just identify with
49:31
Speaker 2: the world, like the world is my love, you know.
49:34
Speaker 1: But that's that's you feel that mold than from like
49:37
Speaker 1: an individualized kind of Yeah.
49:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I just I hear a song, I vibe
49:40
Speaker 2: with it or I don't. Yeah, and I would like
49:43
Speaker 2: to engage with it more because I know there's a
49:44
Speaker 2: lot of thought behind it. I know there's probably some
49:47
Speaker 2: reason that this specific audio thing happens at this count.
49:52
Speaker 1: Sure, and this I mean, there's lots of different ways
49:54
Speaker 1: of engaging with music. Yeah, Like sometimes it is like
49:57
Speaker 1: the music technicality of it all off, like, oh, they
50:00
Speaker 1: did a clever thing there. That's a nice thing. They
50:02
Speaker 1: did a call back to that song.
50:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
50:03
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's the lyrics. It's the emotion. It's the connection
50:06
Speaker 1: of like someone bearing their soul and I relate to that,
50:09
Speaker 1: or someone not bearing their soul, and I also relate
50:11
Speaker 1: to that, yes, or singing about literally anything. Yeah, it's
50:14
Speaker 1: on a lyrical level. Sometimes it's like vibes, which might
50:18
Speaker 1: be your entry point. Given that you see it as
50:20
Speaker 1: like a functional thing. It would just be to start
50:22
Speaker 1: to if I'm just to say how you would get
50:25
Speaker 1: more into it. Start to isolate what vibes you enjoy
50:29
Speaker 1: of songs, which songs help you in certain situations, and
50:32
Speaker 1: then start to explore those subgenres and see how those function,
50:36
Speaker 1: because you can still treat it as a functional thing.
50:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, if people are interested in sending me recommendations. The
50:42
Speaker 2: only two things I've isolated is I like these two instruments.
50:45
Speaker 2: I like when I hear a bongo Okay, I think
50:48
Speaker 2: that's like I used to be a bee boy in
50:50
Speaker 2: high school, and a lot of bee boy tracks and
50:54
Speaker 2: beats have bongos in them, okay. And then also brass tunes.
50:58
Speaker 2: I found a lot of these, like rap songs that
51:02
Speaker 2: I'll like a lot have these brassy tunes associated with them. Yeah,
51:06
Speaker 2: I love I'm a big slat for brass. So if
51:08
Speaker 2: you know anything that has a clean beat, bongos and brass,
51:12
Speaker 2: and you have any recommendations for me. Please send us
51:15
Speaker 2: my way, absolutely, because I'll be interested. I'll be interested
51:17
Speaker 2: in any genre that has maybe that.
51:19
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, you want nineties world
51:21
Speaker 1: music is what you want.
51:23
Speaker 2: I am of the world.
51:26
Speaker 1: That's what inspires you. Oh my goodness. Music's a good
51:29
Speaker 1: thing to aspire to get for sure. Yeah, thank you.
51:32
Speaker 1: Everyone needs more music in their lives. Music is powerful.
51:35
Speaker 1: Music is all right. We have come to the end
51:38
Speaker 1: of your life through fandom, Jason, that was your life
51:40
Speaker 1: through fandom?
51:41
Speaker 2: Excellent.
51:42
Speaker 1: Now, this is the little thing I like to do
51:44
Speaker 1: at the end, undercuts and undermines the entire hour of conversation.
51:47
Speaker 2: With wonderful any other way, if you.
51:50
Speaker 1: Could sum up your life through fandom in sort of
51:52
Speaker 1: a simple flow chot, Yeah, from like childhood years to
51:56
Speaker 1: teen years to twenties to the present day. Yeah, what
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Speaker 1: would you say? How would you sum up your life?
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Speaker 2: I think I think childhood is going to be like robots, robots,
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Speaker 2: I like that, helmeted robots. Yeah, teens, it's gonna be comics, superheroes.
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Speaker 2: However you want to phrase that. Twenties was probably I
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Speaker 2: don't know. I'm in my twenties, so that's true.
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Speaker 1: That's true. You are younger than the rest of us,
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Speaker 1: So let's think of it as like first twenties and now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go with Star Wars just
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Speaker 2: because it was like the theme of the episode. Sure
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Speaker 2: it's not as simple as that, but that's fine. But
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Speaker 2: then current is definitely crafting, crafting. Yeah, I think making
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Speaker 2: things with my hands has been really nice.
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Speaker 1: Nice. That's a good flow shot. Yeah, I like that.
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Speaker 1: Like that. You said at the start you were going
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Speaker 1: to offer the basic You're going to bring that and
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Speaker 1: mention the Marvel and the Star Wars. Yeah, and I
52:51
Speaker 1: think you have. But I think you've also shown not
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Speaker 1: so basic things as well. You've also shown the nuances
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Speaker 1: and the specifics of the life of Jason.
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Speaker 2: I'm like a good piece of toast. Yeah, You're like, wow,
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Speaker 2: I've had that all my life. I know what that is.
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Speaker 2: But then when you when it's like a good piece
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Speaker 2: of toast, Yeah, you start saying you start tasting the nuance,
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Speaker 2: You're like, oh is that sour though? Oh the crumb
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Speaker 2: texture is shoe of the gluten.
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Speaker 1: Was this done at number four? I love it when
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Speaker 1: it's done at number four?
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Speaker 2: Ye, but perfectly perfect char yeah yeah, yeah, not burnt,
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Speaker 2: just the chart yeah, brass fed butter Oh yeah ah,
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Speaker 2: lovely stuff.
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Speaker 1: And look, our toast has just arrived. There we go.
53:36
Speaker 1: There we have it. Jason's life through fandom and what
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Speaker 1: a lovely date. A weird date, but a lovely date.
53:43
Speaker 1: Sorry for queer baiting, I guess unless that's what you
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Speaker 1: head cannons and shippers want, in which case, there you go. No,
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Speaker 1: that was a great chat with Jason, and and look,
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about his potential future in the world
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Speaker 1: of cosplay. So if you want to see some of
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Speaker 1: his past projects and indeed future projects, why don't you
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Speaker 1: follow him on Instagram at Jane nowin Underscore C I'll
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Speaker 1: put a link in the description in the show notes
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Speaker 1: so you can follow him on Insta. I know for
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Speaker 1: a fact there's a sick Clone Trooper costume on there
54:13
Speaker 1: that you can see. And who knows, maybe someday a
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Speaker 1: fully fledged card carrying member of the Five. Oh first,
54:20
Speaker 1: look at that people in America dressing in all white
54:23
Speaker 1: for a good cause makes a change. Thanks so much
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Speaker 1: for listening, Leapprogs. Look, I really don't want to do
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Speaker 1: one of these cast interviews. I will do it if
54:33
Speaker 1: enough people express interest. If that's out there, But I
54:39
Speaker 1: like hiding behind this persona of games master, and I
54:43
Speaker 1: don't particularly like putting the real me out there too much.
54:46
Speaker 1: The vulnerability is putting myself out there and hosting a
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Speaker 1: game show. That's the vulnerability. You don't need to see.
54:52
Speaker 1: You don't need to see another layer, you know, unless
54:54
Speaker 1: you want to gate leapers at gmail dot com. You
54:57
Speaker 1: can follow us on Instagram and threads at Gateleaper's pod,
55:01
Speaker 1: or let us know in our discord if you'd like
55:03
Speaker 1: to hear one of these cast interviews with me. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure we can get Audra or Jason or Jen or
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Speaker 1: Drew or someone to ask me these questions. So it
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Speaker 1: just makes me nervous. Okay, I got nothing to hide,
55:17
Speaker 1: but nothing interesting to show. See. I'm even doing a
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Speaker 1: silly voice because I'm like that nervous about it. We
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Speaker 1: will be back next week with a brand new fandom
55:25
Speaker 1: game show, and oh boy, is it a very special,
55:28
Speaker 1: unique episode. I'm just gonna leave that there as a hook.
55:32
Speaker 1: You're not going to want to miss this one. And
55:35
Speaker 1: we've got some fantastic episodes planned for November as well
55:39
Speaker 1: as our special episodes in December, and we have some huge,
55:43
Speaker 1: huge news about episodes in twenty twenty five that I'm
55:48
Speaker 1: so excited about, but I cannot tell you just yet,
55:52
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm gonna leave another thread dangling there.
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Speaker 1: Thanks again for listening, have a great weekly progs and
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Speaker 1: in joy Halloween, have a have a good fun horror time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah,