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- 0:00Validation is communication. It's communication that you
- 0:05understand someone's internal experience.
- 0:09Now let's be clear about what validation is.
- 0:12Validation is not like an attaboy.
- 0:15It's not hey, thanks for taking out the trash or even job well
- 0:19done. Validation is like the oxygen in
- 0:23a relationship. When we don't get enough of it,
- 0:26it feels like we're suffocating. When we do get enough of it, it
- 0:30feels like we can breathe deeply and like we're really satisfied
- 0:36with what's happening in our relationship.
- 0:38So it's absolutely vital in order to have a safe and secure
- 0:42relationship. And what I see is that most
- 0:45relationships don't have enough validation.
- 0:49Partners don't validate each other enough.
- 0:53One of the things we talk about in therapy is that as much as
- 0:56you think you're validating your clients, times it by three,
- 1:01times it by 4, do more validation because at the heart
- 1:05validation holds us together. It it it creates A cohesive
- 1:11identity that is is essential for how we see ourselves.
- 1:18If we think about our identity, think about it in terms of how
- 1:22do you see yourself? Well, that identity is supported
- 1:26and sustained through others. And so when we get validated,
- 1:30when other people let us know that our experience as a human
- 1:34being, however strange or odd or or what seems out of context,
- 1:40can be understood by another human being, then we feel more
- 1:45cohesive as a person. And our identity is supported
- 1:50and sustained through that process.
- 1:53So we're going to talk about validation today, and we're
- 1:56going to talk about why it is like oxygen in a relationship.
- 2:00Let's get started. Welcome to Trauma Free
- 2:04Relationship, a podcast that provides support and guidance to
- 2:08help heal the wounds of attachment trauma.
- 2:10Whether you find yourself struggling with unresolved
- 2:13issues in the past or have experienced trauma in your
- 2:16current relationship, our goal is to provide accurate and
- 2:19scientifically informed information, as well as the
- 2:22tools to help you create a secure connection between you
- 2:25and your partner. And here's your host, Tom Phil.
- 2:30OK. As I mentioned, validation is a
- 2:33form of communication. It's a communication that you
- 2:36understand somebody's internal experience.
- 2:41It's communicating to your partner or anybody for that
- 2:44matter, that you understand their experience and that it
- 2:47makes sense that there's a logic and a reason behind somebody's
- 2:53internal experience and that their perceptions and their life
- 2:58context make sense. And as I said, we build and
- 3:04sustain and support our identity through being reflected in
- 3:09other's eyes. When they can understand our
- 3:12experience, internal experience, then that that creates cohesion
- 3:18in who we are. But what that means is that
- 3:21validation is also very hard because we have to suspend our
- 3:25own experience in order to use empathy and step into our
- 3:30partner's shoes to look at their experience through their eyes
- 3:35and understand what's going on for them.
- 3:37So what are the great blessings in a relationship is that it's
- 3:42designed to expand our own experience of ourselves by
- 3:47coming up against someone else's experience that is different.
- 3:51And when we can take the time to suspend our own experience long
- 3:57enough to step into somebody's shoes, long enough to validate
- 4:01and understand the context, the feelings, the perceptions of
- 4:06another human being, especially our partner, then everybody
- 4:10starts growing together. There's a an old saying in the
- 4:14therapy field. A rising tide lifts all boats.
- 4:17So when one partner begins to expand who they are and broaden
- 4:21who they are, and they can use more validation and more
- 4:25empathy, then that lifts the whole relationship to a
- 4:29different level. So think about it this way.
- 4:33Give you an example. I'm sure that you have
- 4:35encountered a situation like this before.
- 4:37Let's say if you're having a conversation with somebody or
- 4:41you're in a group and one person starts becoming very
- 4:44dysregulated, they start becoming very upset or very mad.
- 4:48Usually in that context, the best thing to do is to tell
- 4:51them, hey, you're making too much of this, calm down, and of
- 4:56course they'll see the logic of what you're saying and they'll
- 4:58immediately start to calm down. No, that doesn't happen, right?
- 5:02Usually what happens is the opposite.
- 5:04If you tell somebody to calm down, they start getting more
- 5:08upset. They start getting louder.
- 5:10And why is that? Why is that a weird phenomenon
- 5:13that happens? It's strange because what's
- 5:16happening is you're sending them a nonverbal message that their
- 5:20experience is not being understood, that they don't have
- 5:23a right to be angry, and that it's not valid that they're
- 5:27angry. So of course what they do is
- 5:29they interpret that as as I'm being invalidated and that makes
- 5:33me even more angry that I'm not being understood in this
- 5:37context. So validation is is not just a a
- 5:43platitude. As I said, it's not like an
- 5:46attaboy, a good job, or even something as simple as hey,
- 5:49thanks for taking out the trash. Validation is the ability to
- 5:54really understand another person's experience, and as I
- 5:59said, this is vital in our closest, most intimate
- 6:03relationships and as vital in being able to to create a safe
- 6:10and secure relationship with your partner.
- 6:13And I'll say this again, as much as you think you might be
- 6:16validating your partner times it by two times, it by three, do it
- 6:21four times as much as you are. Because chances are you're not
- 6:25getting it enough and you're not providing it enough to your
- 6:28partner. So what I want to do in the rest
- 6:30of this podcast is I want to go through four ways that we tend
- 6:35to invalidate and four ways that we do validate.
- 6:40So we can sort of deconstruct this here.
- 6:43What does this idea of validation mean?
- 6:46Because I think sometimes people have a surface, a surface
- 6:49understanding of it and then really contextualize this in our
- 6:53relationships as what does this look like when we invalidate our
- 6:57partner versus validate our partner.
- 7:00So I'm going to walk through these eight, eight different 8
- 7:03point scale if you will, four ways that we invalidate, four
- 7:07ways we validate and you can sort of think about your own
- 7:10relationship and and and and reflect as I'm walking through
- 7:15these. Are there ways that you
- 7:16invalidate your partner or feel invalidated by your partner?
- 7:21And what are some ways you can do more validating?
- 7:24Now this eight point scale is not mine.
- 7:27This actually comes from Les Greenberg and Rhonda Goldman who
- 7:32are couples therapists and researchers up in Canada.
- 7:37I believe they were out of York University, but I I've always
- 7:40liked this eight point scale. It's always stuck out to me as
- 7:43as being important in terms of of maintaining our identity in
- 7:50our relationships that is is supported by our partner.
- 7:55So here we go. These are four ways that we tend
- 7:58to invalidate our partner. The first one is ignoring.
- 8:02So you simply do not hear the internal experience of your
- 8:06partner. Partner says I'm really tired,
- 8:09I've had a hard day and the response is what do you want to
- 8:13do for dinner tonight? So it's just completely ignored.
- 8:17Now obviously there can be exceptions to this rule.
- 8:21You could not have heard your partner.
- 8:22You could be in a completely different place in time.
- 8:25And when that happens, we can make those corrections and we
- 8:29can go, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
- 8:31What did you say? But to have this consistently
- 8:34show up where you are expressing something to your partner about
- 8:38your internal experience, and to have it be completely ignored is
- 8:43one of the ways that we invalidate.
- 8:46The 2nd way is criticizing the partner criticizes the internal
- 8:51experience, actions, or the identity of the partner.
- 8:56So you are wrong. You shouldn't feel that way.
- 9:00I don't know why you're thinking like that.
- 9:02That's stupid. I don't.
- 9:04You shouldn't. You know, I don't get that.
- 9:06That doesn't make sense to me. You shouldn't feel that way.
- 9:09So an example might be I don't I don't do that.
- 9:13You know I I had a couple that I was talking to the other night
- 9:16and she was pregnant and wanted her husband to rub her feet And
- 9:21and he was saying, well, I I don't want to rub your feet and
- 9:24look at all these other things that I do.
- 9:26And So what was happening is he was hearing it as criticism
- 9:30because the way he was interpreting that was you're not
- 9:34a good husband because you won't do this.
- 9:35One thing for me and what the, what the the, the wife in this
- 9:39particular case was wanting is that hey, I'm in a vulnerable
- 9:42state. I'm pregnant with our child.
- 9:44I need extra care and concern. It wasn't even about the rubbing
- 9:49of the feet as it is about extra care and concern a little more
- 9:54nurturing because I'm, I'm in a vulnerable state.
- 9:57But he heard that as criticism and so, and certainly that could
- 10:01be the way he was interpreting that.
- 10:04But criticism can also very much be verbal criticism.
- 10:07You're wrong, you're stupid, you're lazy.
- 10:10Character attacks. So that's the 2nd way that we
- 10:13can invalidate our partner. The 3rd way that we can
- 10:17invalidate our partner is through what is called dominant
- 10:20defining. So it's where one partner
- 10:23defines the other's reality or explains the partner's
- 10:28experience in a negative way does not fit the experience of
- 10:32the person. So you have no reason to cry.
- 10:36That's not that bad. These are types of things where
- 10:41one person's experience of reality must be the experience
- 10:45for both people. And I often see this in my
- 10:49couples when they want to start talking about the event at what
- 10:54I call a level one communication, where they want
- 10:58to discuss who said what to whom and in what order.
- 11:02And what they're doing is they're debating who has the
- 11:05better memory, and they're debating who gets to define that
- 11:10interaction, whose version of reality gets to define that.
- 11:15And when they talk about it at a Level 2 communication, then what
- 11:19actually begins to happen is they begin to make more room for
- 11:23different feelings and different perceptions of the same event.
- 11:27And they open up a space that allows them to be able to talk
- 11:31about that and share the fact that they can have different
- 11:35experience of it. So they're no longer locked into
- 11:38whose definition has to define reality.
- 11:43So this can certainly play out with trauma where one person's
- 11:48trauma can get triggered and they can they insist that their
- 11:53version of what happened, their version of the interaction or or
- 11:58or reality must be adhered to. And they do that because in that
- 12:03moment when they have been triggered through their trauma,
- 12:07their need is so great and so strong that they have to have
- 12:11that buy in and that validation from their partner that the way
- 12:15they're seeing it is legitimate. It is legitimate from their
- 12:20internal experience and so sometimes trauma can really lock
- 12:25us into dominant defining in in certain moments.
- 12:29We also see this a lot with personality disorders,
- 12:32borderline personality disorders, narcissistic
- 12:35personality disorders. They have a great deal of
- 12:38difficulty being able to to understand that you can have
- 12:43multiple interpretations of one event.
- 12:46And often what they do is they put so much pressure and stress
- 12:51on a partner that their version is the only version that can be
- 12:56accepted in in an interaction or of an event that has occurred.
- 13:01All right, so that's the 3rd way we can invalidate.
- 13:05The 4th way we can invalidate is we can misunderstand our
- 13:08partner. We cannot recognize the deeper
- 13:11meaning of the experience that our partners conveying.
- 13:16It will be OK. When your partner's clearly
- 13:19distressed, tomorrow's a better day.
- 13:22We're not able to sort of understand the full context of
- 13:25why they are sad, why they are stressed, why they are upset, or
- 13:31simply they're trying to communicate something to us and
- 13:34we don't get their line of thought that led them to to a a
- 13:40result or to a solution they're trying to provide.
- 13:44And so it feels weird to us. So we don't get the context that
- 13:49they're adding. And this is very true with
- 13:51trauma as well. At times our partners experience
- 13:55or what they're saying to us can be puzzling because we're not
- 13:58under sure, we're not sure we understand where it comes from.
- 14:03And so misunderstanding is part of that 70% where we are often
- 14:09misattuned because we just don't understand the full breadth and
- 14:13context of what our partner is trying to convey to us.
- 14:17So those are four ways and I'm sure there's more, but those are
- 14:21four very common ways that we tend to invalidate our partner,
- 14:26ignoring, criticizing, dominant, defining and misunderstanding.
- 14:33And these can show up occasionally in a relationship
- 14:36and cause ruptures or these can show up consistently in a
- 14:40relationship and cause ruptures. I don't want you to think that
- 14:43these are discreet in terms of they turn on or they turn off.
- 14:47Think about them more like continuum that sometimes
- 14:50ignoring can be little bitty small things or it can be
- 14:54something that's more chronic in the relationship.
- 14:57Criticizing can show up very seldom only a few times or it
- 15:01can be something that's more chronic in the relationship.
- 15:04So think about it more on a continuum then more of yes we
- 15:08have it or no we don't. So let's talk about now the four
- 15:13ways that we actually can validate our partner.
- 15:16So the 1st way we can validate our partner is we can begin to
- 15:20just understand. We can understand our partner's
- 15:24internal experience through verbal and non verbal means.
- 15:29So we can suspend whatever experience we're having, however
- 15:33we're conceptualizing that, and we can try to draw out the
- 15:37deeper and broader context of what our partner's communicating
- 15:41and through our eye contact, our UH huhs.
- 15:44Oh, that makes sense to me. Yeah, we're giving feedback to
- 15:48our partner that we're getting it, that what it is they're
- 15:51communicating to us, we're able to understand.
- 15:55So that's a very basic way that we can validate our partners.
- 15:59We just seek to understand. There's an old saying that says
- 16:04nobody cares how much you know until they know how much you
- 16:07care. And part of caring is that we
- 16:10are seeking to understand our partners internal experience.
- 16:15So that's the 1st way. The 2nd way is we can confirm
- 16:21what they are saying. So we can accept the other
- 16:24person's experience, that their feelings, their needs, their
- 16:27behaviors are valid and that they make sense That as
- 16:32listeners we can confirm their feelings in its current and past
- 16:37context. So this helps confirm a stronger
- 16:41sense of identity by confirming the reality of the other
- 16:43person's experience. So not only can we just
- 16:47understand it in the current context, we can also say yes,
- 16:51and I can certainly understand given you know how you started.
- 16:56When you when you first landed this job, you were, you were
- 16:59frustrated because nobody was helping on board you.
- 17:03Oh, I can understand that because when you grew up, this
- 17:05happened to you. So I can certainly see why you
- 17:08would look at it this way. And so we can understand it at a
- 17:12deeper level. Not only are we understanding at
- 17:15a surface level, which is the first one I talked about, but
- 17:19now we're getting the the broader context of what's going
- 17:22on and we're still giving them that eye contact the a hugs.
- 17:26Yes, this makes sense to me. Oh that.
- 17:29I understand that. So on and so forth.
- 17:32So now we're actually really going deeper and confirming
- 17:36another person's experience. The 3rd way that we can validate
- 17:42somebody's experience is through respect.
- 17:45And so the partner expresses respect for and valuing of their
- 17:49partner. I do care about what you need.
- 17:52I know that when you get stressed, I can neglect you, and
- 17:55I want to hear about how that impacts you so I can work on it
- 17:59because I don't want to hurt you in this way.
- 18:02So when we have respect for somebody, not only do we
- 18:05understand it, not only do we confirm it and it's larger
- 18:12context, but then we want to take actions to actually help
- 18:16that person. So there's this level of respect
- 18:20to not repeat a behavior that is harmful.
- 18:23To put down our iPhones and make eye contact with our, with our,
- 18:27with our partner when they feel like they're being neglected.
- 18:30Or when they're talking to us. To not trigger our partner at
- 18:35least intentionally when we know they have certain triggers to
- 18:39protect those triggers and not try to to play into those or
- 18:45exploit those triggers even in an accidental way.
- 18:50So when we when we respect somebody we know about their
- 18:54life, we know about their internal context and and
- 18:58internal stories and experience so much so that we want to do
- 19:03something about it. We want to act in a way that is
- 19:07helpful. So that is the third way we
- 19:09validate. The 4th and final way that we
- 19:11validate is through attunement. And so we can actually confirm
- 19:16our partners experience their emotional experience by fully
- 19:21attuning to what they're saying. The partner shows a full and
- 19:26elaborated understanding of their internal experience of
- 19:29their partner. And this happens a lot in
- 19:32therapy, because this is a moment by moment tracking of of
- 19:37the person's experience and what's going on with them.
- 19:40And even as therapists, we don't always get this right 100% of
- 19:45the time. But when you're tuning to
- 19:47something, you're not only listening to the words, but
- 19:50you're watching their behavior. You're watching the emotions
- 19:54that are behind what they're saying, and you're tracking them
- 19:57moment by moment to notice any subtle shifts, any slight
- 20:03differences? Are they breathing hard?
- 20:05Do they look down at the floor when they say something?
- 20:09Do they move away from their emotions and all of a sudden go
- 20:12cognitive where at for one moment they were speaking from
- 20:15their heart and it was very heartfelt and they were drawing
- 20:18you in and now all of a sudden it feels like they're getting
- 20:21philosophical and they're pontificating and you feel
- 20:24further away from them. Do you notice those types of
- 20:27shifts? So this is a skill that anybody
- 20:30can learn. We can all learn to be more
- 20:32attuned to our partner, but it's something you definitely find in
- 20:36therapy with good therapist. They are constantly tracking the
- 20:41moment by moment interaction between them and their client,
- 20:46whether that be individual or whether that be a couple.
- 20:50And they're doing so by just noticing any subtle shifts that
- 20:54might be happening. You do this in your own
- 20:58relationship too. You come home and you notice
- 21:00something's a little bit off with your partner.
- 21:03They may not have said anything. They may not have said anything
- 21:06in words, but something compels you.
- 21:08You just feel like there's something different going on.
- 21:12And so you say, what's wrong? Are you OK?
- 21:16Because you can sense something's different, You can
- 21:19sense it in the air. And so we all kind of know what
- 21:23that's like with our partners. So that's an example of
- 21:25attunement. You're really attuned to those
- 21:28subtle shifts that something's not quite right with my partner
- 21:33and I'm going to lean in and I'm going to move towards them and
- 21:36I'm going to turn towards them and ask what's going on?
- 21:39Are you OK? I want to hear about it.
- 21:42So that's the final way that we can validate our partner.
- 21:47So take this information today, ponder it, put it into the
- 21:52context of your own relationships, and ask yourself,
- 21:55do I, do I validate my partner enough?
- 21:59Does my partner validate me enough?
- 22:02Do we often get caught into cycles that cause us to
- 22:06invalidate each other? And I think what you'll find is
- 22:10that as we move towards in our relationships, more validation
- 22:15that it will be like a huge breath of oxygen in our lungs
- 22:21and a huge burst of oxygen in our relationship.
- 22:24Or we feel more like we can be at ease and we can breathe
- 22:28deeper and feel more safe and secure.
- 22:31And it doesn't feel like we are suffocating as much like we can
- 22:35be ourselves. So try this in your
- 22:38relationships and of course, as always, reach out.
- 22:41If you have comments, concerns, questions, let me know what
- 22:44you're thinking. I'd love to hear from you.
- 22:47As always, thank you for listening and until next time.
- 22:50We'll talk to you then. Thank you for listening to
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