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JONESTOWN: DRINKING THE KOOL-AID | MELISSA DAWN · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: And speaking of guests, today we have with this podcaster, host, researcher,
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  Speaker 1: and founder of gen x News, Melissa don Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to be here. Thank you for having me, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's a hundred and privilege to have you on as well.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd listened to one of your shows with on
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  Speaker 1: Chris's podcast, and I've been wanting to listen do a
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  Speaker 1: show on Jim Jones for a really long time because
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  Speaker 1: I have this like a playlist on my channel of
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  Speaker 1: like all of the UFO cults, and there's so many
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  Speaker 1: of them, and I've studied and I've looked into them,
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  Speaker 1: I've researched them a lot. And I kind of started
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  Speaker 1: out with like Jim Jones and like Waco and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those kind of cults, and then I was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where does a lot of these UFO beliefs
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  Speaker 1: and ideas come from? And it turns out that it
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  Speaker 1: comes from a lot of these UFO cults going back
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  Speaker 1: to the early Pertis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Jim Jones did a UFO thing,
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  Speaker 2: but it's it's odd how UFOs feature in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them, like that. What's those guys the Heaven's Gate,
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  Speaker 2: crazy stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, got Heaven's Gate, you got Order of the Solar Temple,
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  Speaker 1: you got the Realien Calls.
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  Speaker 3: You got the Balians.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many of them in their original One of
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  Speaker 1: the original ones is called The Cold of I Am
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  Speaker 1: that comes out of the early thirties with Guy and
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  Speaker 1: the ball Or. They pretty much kicked off the entire
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  Speaker 1: New Age Spiritual Ascended Masters movement. New Age ideas and
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  Speaker 1: thought processes come from that cult.
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  Speaker 2: It is so strange how people are getting pulled into that.
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  Speaker 2: It almost feels like, you know, as Christianity kind of
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  Speaker 2: crumbled a little bit after, you know, into the twentieth century,
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  Speaker 2: everything just gets crazier and crazier. People are looking for
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  Speaker 2: something to fill themselves up.
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  Speaker 1: They just keep adding on more and more and more
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  Speaker 1: and than when people realize, oh, well, this might be
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  Speaker 1: a sham, then they go in and then they change
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  Speaker 1: the rules and the doctrine, then the whole ideology to
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  Speaker 1: accommodate whatever people believe. It's really insane. So since it's
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  Speaker 1: your first time on the show, what got you started
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  Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole and creating your website and gen
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  Speaker 1: X News.
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  Speaker 2: So I had podcasts originally on occult or folklore years ago,
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  Speaker 2: and we were doing stuff and I had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of occultists on and I had started to slowly shift
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  Speaker 2: just around twenty twenty pandemic times to cults and researching
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  Speaker 2: them and looking at them because I had studied for
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  Speaker 2: years personality disorders, and it's easy to see that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of cult leaders have this sort of dark triad
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  Speaker 2: personality disorder, the psychopathy mixed with Micavellianism mixed with narcissism
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  Speaker 2: and this sort of Yeah, it's like this crazy trio
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  Speaker 2: of dark personalities and all the crazies have it. Jim
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  Speaker 2: Jones definitely had it. So I just started looking at
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  Speaker 2: cults then, and I moved from Canada to the unit
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  Speaker 2: SL so I wasn't podcasting for a little bit. And
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  Speaker 2: when I got back up and I had built this
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  Speaker 2: huge audience on X and it was a lot of politics,
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  Speaker 2: I started to look at mk ultri because people were say, well,
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  Speaker 2: and I live near where Ted Bundy operated. I was
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  Speaker 2: looking at Ted Bundy and people started to tell me, well,
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  Speaker 2: did you know that the CIA had a lot to
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  Speaker 2: do with Jim Jones. I'm like, no, no, really, and
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  Speaker 2: I had just done Jim Jones before, like ABC one,
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  Speaker 2: two threes. And then the more I get into it,
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  Speaker 2: the more shows I go on too. Each time I
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  Speaker 2: go to a show, I find more information and it's
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  Speaker 2: literally astounding. You know what he was involved with. So
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  Speaker 2: it starts to become this sort of government conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 2: CIA like MK ultra, It like goes way beyond just
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  Speaker 2: a cult leader trying to get money or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the Indian Lakes Project?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's this blog that a guy referred to as
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  Speaker 1: John as you started this blog in the early two things,
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  Speaker 1: where supposedly John's uncle found an old metal box when
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  Speaker 1: he was hiking near Indian Lake, New York, and he
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  Speaker 1: put it on a shelf, supposedly didn't open it, and
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  Speaker 1: when he passed away, his nephew, the guy that I
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  Speaker 1: just referred to as Johns found the box and opened
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  Speaker 1: it and supposedly it had pictures in it and film
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  Speaker 1: reels and classified documents of this project that was happening
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  Speaker 1: in Indian Lakes, New York that had to do with
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  Speaker 1: experimentation on kids that he believed was connected to Project Artichoke,
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  Speaker 1: Project Bluebird and which we know Project Bluebird was renamed
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  Speaker 1: MK Ultra in nineteen fifty three, and based off of
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  Speaker 1: the contents of the box, he believed that this project
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  Speaker 1: was ran by the military and had supposedly done this
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  Speaker 1: ran this project out of a military base on or
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  Speaker 1: near Indian Lakes area, and there's there's these records that
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  Speaker 1: were kind of posted online from this blog, but no
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  Speaker 1: one could ever find a base that ever existed there.
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  Speaker 1: And a few of the pictures were also posted from
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  Speaker 1: the contents of the box, which reverse them in Church
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  Speaker 1: did not find anything on them or where they came from.
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  Speaker 1: This box that John left him right some old photos,
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  Speaker 1: but the film was never shown, neither were the documents,
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  Speaker 1: just like little snippets of it. And I don't really
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  Speaker 1: know what to think about it. It's it's weird. It's
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  Speaker 1: a weird mystery. And the guy just stopped posting. But
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  Speaker 1: he'd also posted like some like stock images like he
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  Speaker 1: was saying that he thought that he was being followed
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  Speaker 1: in paranoid kind of like how people get in the
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  Speaker 1: community when they think that they're on the something. They
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  Speaker 1: think that the CIA is after them and stocking them
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  Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And he posted the picture of
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  Speaker 1: like dead birds and like old trucks, but they were
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  Speaker 1: all like stock photos. And also he posted pictures of
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  Speaker 1: this supposed real abandoned underground base that he found, but
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  Speaker 1: no one has ever came across this base. It's weird shit,
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  Speaker 1: and people believe it was like an arg like an
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  Speaker 1: augmented reality game where the players changed the story depending
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  Speaker 1: on the response from the audience. It's a very popular
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  Speaker 1: type of game online on like Reddit and stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: it does seem like that that was happening. The post
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  Speaker 1: started changing from stuff about this Indian Lakes project to
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  Speaker 1: just all over mk ultra stuff and what seemed like
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  Speaker 1: just he was just rambling on and on and on.
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  Speaker 1: It was like ramblings of a madman. But one of
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  Speaker 1: those ramblings he talks about Jim Jones. There's like a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of posts about Jim Jones and the Jonestown mass
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  Speaker 1: and he basically relates it to a giant mk ultra
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  Speaker 1: experiment and that Jim Jones had all of these connections
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  Speaker 1: to the intelligence community in California, the CIA, which he
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  Speaker 1: was friends with a lot of high people. But that's
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  Speaker 1: what kind of got me interested in looking into Jim Jones.
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  Speaker 2: He was huge connected, and I mean he started out
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  Speaker 2: I think how he got connected. I mean he was preacher.
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  Speaker 2: He was a preacher child, really, I mean he he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was from a you know, an dysfunctional family. His
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  Speaker 2: father had was a World War One vet, had been
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  Speaker 2: seriously damaged chemical warfare, you know, couldn't work. His mother
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  Speaker 2: was Cherokee Indian soul financial provider and it was impoverished.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't get a lot of attention, but he was
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  Speaker 2: preaching from the time he was young, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I think he really would have start arted for him.
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  Speaker 2: He got into not just preaching and opening up his
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  Speaker 2: own church eventually, but he got in. He was heavy
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  Speaker 2: into Marxism and he started attending a lot of Marxist meetings.
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  Speaker 2: So I always suspect that that's if you've got an
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  Speaker 2: enigmatic personality, and I think he probably had the dark tribe,
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  Speaker 2: you know, was doing it as a child because he
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  Speaker 2: used to perform funerals for pets maybe in kill pets
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  Speaker 2: and perform them and be a preacher.
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  Speaker 3: And he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was in the black churches, like even as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: preaching like a you know, he was targeting minorities, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what his whole church was always targeting, was minority
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  Speaker 2: you know, not minorities, but like people who were involved
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  Speaker 2: in the civil rights and stuff like that. And so
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  Speaker 2: he became heavily involved with Marxism and started to incorporate
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  Speaker 2: that with all his preachings and his god stuff, and eventually,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that always results in he's the he becomes
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  Speaker 2: the godlike figure.
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  Speaker 3: But I think.
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  Speaker 2: Probably somewhere along the line in the fifties, the CIA
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  Speaker 2: became aware of him because they probably would have been
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  Speaker 2: looking at all these Marxist sort of groups. That's my
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  Speaker 2: that's my suspicion. And by nineteen sixty two he's going
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  Speaker 2: down to South America. He didn't have a lot of money,
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  Speaker 2: but suddenly he has all these moneys to rent houses.
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  Speaker 2: He takes his family down there, and he's in South America,
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  Speaker 2: probably funded by the CIA by that time, looking at
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  Speaker 2: spots and places to go, and he was doing voodoo
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  Speaker 2: and all sorts of mind control stuff, learning this stuff
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  Speaker 2: down in South America.
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  Speaker 3: It was really weird.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure that the CIA funded that trip.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like I said, I think he was connected
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  Speaker 2: with the CIA and they probably found him in one
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  Speaker 2: of those Marxist groups. And you know, I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: so much more information between that about him. But that's
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  Speaker 2: my suspicion.
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  Speaker 1: What's this business with Jimmy Carter? Did? Did he have
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  Speaker 1: dealings with Jimmy Carter?
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  Speaker 2: He did Jimmy Carter President, Well, he had dealings with
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  Speaker 2: I believe he met Jimmy Carter and his wife, wife Roslyn,
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  Speaker 2: on the tarmac to discuss Jimmy Carter's flailing, like he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't very popular, he didn't have a really good campaign.
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  Speaker 2: And they met with Jim Jones. There's pictures of them
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  Speaker 2: with our et least Jim Jones with Roslyn Carter. And
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  Speaker 2: so what Jim Jones would do. And he he's in
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco by this time, like he's he had moved
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  Speaker 2: from he was born in Kredia in Indiana, but he
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  Speaker 2: moved from his church. He'd come back from South America
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  Speaker 2: and things like that convinced everybody to move to San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Saying they were being targeted by racists, which he probably
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  Speaker 2: wrote all the sostikas on the churches. That's what they do.
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  Speaker 2: They create the villain, they create an as versus them.
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  Speaker 2: And so he convinces them to go to San Francisco
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  Speaker 2: and he gets heavily involved in politics. He meets the Carters,
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  Speaker 2: and what Jim Jones would do is that he says
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  Speaker 2: he had twenty thousand followers at this point. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you know, sometimes they exaggerate it, but he
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  Speaker 2: would take his followers and buses and bust them to
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  Speaker 2: all these events to make it look like this candidate
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  Speaker 2: had all this hype and he was very popular. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: loved him. He had this vibe, a bum like, he
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  Speaker 2: had this persona that a lot of narcissists and psychopaths,
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  Speaker 2: these kind of leaders do, and he created a massive
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  Speaker 2: hype for Jimmy Carter's campaign by busting his people all
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  Speaker 2: of kind you know. I mean, that's where the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: kind of get the trick from busting the same people
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  Speaker 2: over all over the place. They just switched them all
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  Speaker 2: around and make it look like all these people are
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  Speaker 2: going to events in all these states and it's the
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  Speaker 2: same people.
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  Speaker 1: Here's one thousand dollars, you're gonna you're gonna follow the
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  Speaker 1: whole tour? What are we on first tour? Or what?
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  Speaker 2: They didn't They didn't even get paid. They were pretty
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  Speaker 2: much prisoners because remember, but once he gets these people
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  Speaker 2: in his church, he's a Marxist. He's convinced his followers
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  Speaker 2: that everyone's against them, and he they literally give all
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  Speaker 2: their their money, their property, their businesses, like seventy five
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  Speaker 2: percent where a black Americans, American black Americans who had
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  Speaker 2: businesses who were successful, they just get handed over. If
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  Speaker 2: they had a penching check, it got handed over to
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  Speaker 2: Jim Jones. He controlled all of their lives. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: even get paid. They just go on the bus and
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  Speaker 2: go where they're told to.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's so wild, but it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: a common trope through a lot of calls is that
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  Speaker 1: they essentially make them believe that they need to give
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  Speaker 1: the leader all of their money and all their possessions
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  Speaker 1: and then also cut off ties with their family. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: if you're young, you cut off times with your your
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  Speaker 1: mother and your father. I mean doesn't matter what age.
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  Speaker 1: You just your kids. If you have kids, you leave
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  Speaker 1: your kids, like, that's what the heavens get called did
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  Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, this is all like worldly things,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't want to be distracted by worldly things,
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  Speaker 1: so get rid of them, cut off your family. And
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  Speaker 1: then all these people are like, you know, where is
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  Speaker 1: my where's my kid? Where is my child? You know? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they wouldn't let them talk to them. Every once
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  Speaker 1: in a while, they would let them send a letter
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  Speaker 1: or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably a letter that they heavily edited, and watch
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  Speaker 2: them right. Well, the first stages are always like they
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  Speaker 2: flatter you. They probably have recruits in their party or
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  Speaker 2: they're called that go out and flatter you and say,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, your music's so amazing. They tell you
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  Speaker 2: things that nobody else will ever tell you. And you
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  Speaker 2: might be feeling insecure. Maybe you're going through a divorce,
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  Speaker 2: something's going wrong in your life, you're feeling empty, and
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  Speaker 2: these people start telling you good things about yourself and
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  Speaker 2: feeding your your sense of self. And then they go,
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  Speaker 2: you know, come and join this church. Amazing and then
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  Speaker 2: no love bomb you at first, and you'll feel like hi,
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  Speaker 2: se kite, like you finally belong somewhere, right. They kind
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  Speaker 2: of build that up and then Once they get you
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  Speaker 2: to join, they start, you know, everything's good, and they
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  Speaker 2: all convince you to start giving certain freedoms up slowly
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  Speaker 2: and slowly. You don't end up in Jonestown on day one.
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  Speaker 2: You end up there after years. And they start. It
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  Speaker 2: starts off really good, just like a beastive relationship does,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, they get into the mind the
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  Speaker 2: mind control and the brainwashing, and then drugs will show up,
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  Speaker 2: and then they'll teach you to abuse other members, to
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  Speaker 2: control everybody, will turn members against each other, report each other.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that Jim Jones did when
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  Speaker 2: he was in South America too, was he was studying
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  Speaker 2: how to manipulate people to do all this stuff, so
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  Speaker 2: he's I can't imagine that it wouldn't have been funded
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  Speaker 2: by the CIA, And apparently there was one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons Jim Jones fled in nineteen sixty two sixty three
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  Speaker 2: South America.
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  Speaker 3: He was in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: Then newspapers in Brazil started to write reports that he
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  Speaker 2: was a CIAM member, he was a CIA, or yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that he was CIA. So he freaked out and that's
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  Speaker 2: why he came back, and then eventually he moved to
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco where he would do where he became a
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  Speaker 2: big news media hype and sensation. But they the people
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  Speaker 2: in Brazil knew he was CIA.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild, so they were already kind of onto him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in South America, the yeah, and I mean gets
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  Speaker 2: even crazier when it comes down to actual jonestown. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's he was outed as a CIA member, so and
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  Speaker 2: he's so manipulative when you watch videos of him and
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  Speaker 2: how he convinces people that because you know, along the
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  Speaker 2: way cult members are leaving, the stronger people leave and
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  Speaker 2: they keep upping all the craziness because they want the
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  Speaker 2: strong to leave and they want the week to stay.
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  Speaker 2: And he's being out and the strong, the people who
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  Speaker 2: take off from this cult are telling independent journalists. All
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  Speaker 2: the mainstream media and all the mainstream politicians and celebrities
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  Speaker 2: are saying the most amazing things about him, because we
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  Speaker 2: know who they're controlled by. But a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: people escape, they're going to independent journalists and they're telling
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  Speaker 2: him what's happening, and he just had just the way
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  Speaker 2: he explains how they're all liars and manipulators and people
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  Speaker 2: with mental health issues and crazy, like he just he's
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  Speaker 2: really good at convincing people that he's the victim, and
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  Speaker 2: he was really good at that.
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  Speaker 1: When did the drugs start to play a factor in
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  Speaker 1: his behavior? Because it's said that you know, that's the
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  Speaker 1: reason why he wore the sunglasses all the time, But
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  Speaker 1: he didn't always wear the sunglasses. So when do you
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  Speaker 1: think that through your research that the drugs started to
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  Speaker 1: come in the play?
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  Speaker 2: Well, my guess is once he went to California, for sure,
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  Speaker 2: and you know that at the I don't know if
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: there's it's still the head but the San Francisco was
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: headquarters of CIA as well. So I'm assuming that once
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: he's in California and that's part of the culture, that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: he starts getting into that because he's wearing those dark
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: glasses even in his churches. But if you look in
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the fifties, he's not wearing them. He looks fairly normal,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: clean cut suit and everything. But once it gets in
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: post nineteen sixty three and he's in California, he starts
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: looking like very different he's wearing I mean, it was
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: also the style for the time, but he looks less
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: pastor and more like Elvis, you know, like he just
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: starts changing. And so I'm assuming once he gets to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: California that starts getting there because he's hanging out with celebrities.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: He's got activists promoting him, Willie Brown, Comalin's favorite person
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: promoting him, Mari Milk promoted him lost famous people.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of Elvis, there's like this giant conspirat. Well,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on with Elvis. But
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: do you remember back I think that it was in
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: two thousand and ten or something like that, whenever the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: whenever the White House had received like some kind of
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: supposed poison in the mail and they said that there
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: was directed at Obama.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Do you remember I remember that? Yeah, I remember that.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Well, that was trying to be pinned on this Elvis
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: impersonator that had a brother. There was also an Elvis
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: impersonator that had seen something weird inside of a hospital
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that he started going online and going down this rabbit
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: hole like body parts and like hospitals and morgues like
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: cell and off body parts to like this illegal black market.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And he was known as like the conspiracy guy in town.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And they tried to pin that whole thing on him.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And he was a Elvis impersonator.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: It's the first time I'm hearing about the Elvis person
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: in person. My husband got to see Elvis in concert
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six. Yeah, I'm like, because he was
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: what nine, His mom took him to see Elvis in
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City and I was like, what, you got
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: to see Elvis?
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: It's so cool.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a Elvis. Yeah that would have been rad.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So here's the picture of Jim Jones without his sunglasses.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It looks like a looks like a good looking dude.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Awesome saying that Leonardo DiCaprio looks like.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you know that Jim Jones started the whole concept
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: of the Raymo family, right, He had all these Marxist
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: concepts that you see out there today with like BMLM
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and all those kind of groups. He started the Rainbow family.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that Jim Jones was really
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: good at was doing all this work making himself look
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: like he was doing all this work for the community
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: and children, and really he's just slave driving all of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: his followers. But yeah, he started that Rainbow family, adopting
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: all the kids of the Rainbow, as he would say,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and goodness knows if he was abusing them. I know
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: he abused his wife. Part of the cult stuff that
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: he did was to purposely and you see this out
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: there today is confused people about their sexual identity. He
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: wouldn't allow husbands to be with their wives, probably because
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: he was sleeping with them, but he would confuse the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: husband's brainwash them to make them think that they were
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: gay to have sexual relations with him. And he was
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: like totally manipulating everybody. It's true. He was like confusing
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: them and trying to make them confused about their gender.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: So this the stuff is old.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: This is old.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Jim Jones was doing this stuff.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: That kind of sounds like. Also with the da've Garash
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: from Waco ninety three, that's how he would convince all
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the men that were part of the Branch Davidians at
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the what they call a compound there in Waco, Texas.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: That's what he would do as well. And he would
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, abstinence is the ways seemen retention
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is that he sid that that's going
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to get you closer to God. All the while he's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: sleeping with all all of their wives. I'm pretty sure
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he had kids by like four or five different women
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: at the compound in Waco.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's part of controlling everybody. And there are
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys. Again there's not all of them,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: but a lot of these type of dark tried people
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: are very sexually deviant, but they will convin they'll convince
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you to be shamed instead of them. And they're always
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: projecting all of them. Like if you listen to anything
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that Jim Jones saying, you'll notice he's saying the liars,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the deceivers, this. He's constantly projecting himself out NonStop, and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: unfortunately for the people who were in his church, he
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: was not you know, he's a false prophet. He's he
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: didn't just stop at saying that the Bible's words, which
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: is what you're supposed to do in Christianity. He started
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: to insert Marxism in it, other stuff, change things, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: then eventually he started to trash Jesus and and and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: get people to turn against like believe that Jesus was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: bad and that he was the you go through him,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: not Jesus. So you can see that he's that's literally
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a kind of antichrist, false prophet kind of figure, like
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: they're not supposed to do that. You were supposed to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: directly say what's in the Bible.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Did you ever claim to be like Jesus, Because that's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: another thing that especially with the UFO cults, which goes
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: from you know, like I said, of their early thirties
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: all the way up until recent times, and almost every
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: one of the leaders of those cults all wrapped Christianity
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: into their cult in some way, shape or form. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: then they also claim to be the reincarnation of Jesus.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Like there's been like ten of them that have all
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: been claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus. Some people
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was Moses, Guy Ballard from the I Am Cult was
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: reincarnation of George Washington. And it's always really famous historical figures.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I have to attach themselves to someone famous historically.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Happen's.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Gate Call with Bonnie and Marshall apple White. They were
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the two candle sticks in the Book of Revelation. There
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: were Jesus Christ and Mary Magin reincarnated.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: That is so weird.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Did have anything like that?
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: As it told you his main what he started to
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: switch from just being a pastor said the Bible. He
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: started to insert Marxism a minute, so he was telling
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: people that if you were a socialist you were not
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: born in sin, but if you're a capitalist, you were
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: deem in seed.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: He started to.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Really abandon Christianity by the seventies, declared he starts saying
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Christianity is a flyaway religion. But he also would say
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he was the reincarnation of multiple figures.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: First it was.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Jesus, then it's Gandhi, then it's Buddha, then Father Divine,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and Father Divine is one of the call leaders that
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he actually based a lot of stuff on and was
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: influenced by. And Father Divine apparently was a huge, huge
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: manipulative cult leader who did mind control and stuff like that.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so he would claim all these great connections
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and reincarnation and you know, ridiculous stuff. You hear people
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: in the New Age today all the time say I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: reincarnated as Edgar Casey or I'm reincarnated as this person.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: It just never stops, like they can't just be themselves.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a way to put yourself up on
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a pedestal to make it seem like you're better than
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: everyone else, so therefore that you'll have blind obedience to them.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: It's true, But of course, who's going to.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Listen to just a big old Jim Jones. We got
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to be listening to Jesus Christ mixed with Jim Jones.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And it's weird though that he was able to convince
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: them of this because he was also doubting Jesus as well,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and he was telling people not to go with Christianity.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Marxists always attacked Christianity. They always will, they always have,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: they always will, you know. So it's confusing, and I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: think I think the kind of memory hole things for
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: their followers. I think their followers because they're so like
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: one of the things they'll do is they'll control the food.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: They'll make them work endlessly. That these guys would work
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: non stop and it gets them exhausted, and their mind
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: gets worn down and they don't have the pop proper
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: nutrients eventually and they just can't think, and so they
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: just believe. They just want a lot of these people
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: just want someone to give them the answer and say,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: here it is. You don't have to do any work.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I'll do it for you. And so by the time
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: they're at this point, they're just so beaten down they
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, okay, okay, okay, you're Jesus, You're this
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Jesus sucks. Yeah, I'm confused, right, they can't think proper.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we know Jim Jones was for sure on some
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: form of drugs. Did you find anything in your research
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: of his followers also being on drugs.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, when they get
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to Jonestown, I have pictures. But one of the beliefs
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: is that, Okay, the thing about Jones sounds back up here.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Everybody thinks they.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Drank the kolid and they just went to Jonestown and
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: he found Jonestown and set it all up. And it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: way more complicated than that. He literally took off at
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: a San Francisco like overnight because journalists in California independent
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: journalists were outing him. Former members were telling them, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: so he took off. He literally transports everyone there within
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: a couple of days, which is really suspicious. But the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: whole Jonetown's the whole Jonetown's compound. And I want to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: get this right, so I'm gonna I'm just looking at
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: my notes because it's stuff that knew that I was
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: going to do on a podcast soon. But it was
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: actually formally operated by the CIA and it was used
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: previously on a thing called the Shloan Project, which was
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a CIA program to train black mercenaries for warfare and Angola,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and then he most people don't know this that before jonesound,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the CIA used this land to train people.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It's insane.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So he goes there and a lot of people believe
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: this whole Jonestown thing was a CIA medical experiment because
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: there was tons of mets there. They were medically checking
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: up on all of these people that were there, look
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: over nine hundred of them all the time, like daily,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and there's tons of drugs and medications. I don't know.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what he's on. But if you
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: go and listen to any of the recordings, like he
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: used to be on the sound system and the whole
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: compound twenty four seven, if it wasn't him, it was
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: he would record himself and then replay it. So twenty
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: four seven, all you would hear was Jim Jones NonStop,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and he sounds crazy. There's times where he's just like, oh,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: like you can tell he's whacked. And they had so
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: much drugs on them, and there's like drugs, drugs, drugs.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: How do you get all that stuff there? There has
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: to be a supply change, and it's not just Jim
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Jones providing it. And we know the CIA deals in
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: we know they're they're practically drug dealers, and so I'm
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: pretty short. And a lot of people think that the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: CIA was using Jonestown as an experiment. There was CIA
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: involved in all of this stuff, and I mean, I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: can keep going on, but we'll get to the part
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: where everything goes to Helen Hambag.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: But they had, Yeah, they were constantly testing the people.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: They were also the people in Georgetown, which is near
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Guyana said that they were also kidnapping kids from Georgetown
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and bringing them in, and so it wasn't just people
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: from America and or white people there was they were
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: actually kidnapping and getting kids from the local area and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: getting them in Jonestown. Of course, when anyone would go
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: down and film there, the mainstream media, they would show
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: it look we got binas. They would prop it up
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: and make it look good. But it was like a
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: literally it became like a slave camp, like a concentration camp,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: and they were constantly dragging them, matting them, testing them.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: They would do these things called white Knights, and Jim
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Jones was doing these things called White Knights, even when
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: they were in California, and what he would do was
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: he'd get everybody to drink this punch or whatever it was,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and then he'd say, oh, I poisoned it. You got
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: an hour to live, and everyone would start screaming and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: crying and freaking out. So when he would do this stuff,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: this is part of the mind control in California, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: then he'd say, oh, I'm just kidding. You know, it's
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: not going to kill you. All the people that was
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: meant to weed people. So there are people who left
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the church like this guy's crazy, this is nuts. So
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: there were people who left. And that's kind of what
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: he wants. He wants the weakest of the week that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: he can control. But he was doing these White Knights
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: here in the United States, messing with people's heads. They
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: didn't know if they were going to live or die
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: like Russian Roulet. And then when he gets it gets
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: over to Guyana with all these people in like two days,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: because you know, he was facilitating that airflight. Like who
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: gets these people like they do they just jump aboard delta.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I doubt it, Like, how do you get there in
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: two days with nine hundred people? So things had to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: be planned, things had to be structured. But so he
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: continues the White Knights, he continues messing to the people's heads.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: So this whole poisoning thing was always present long before
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: they got to Guyana. He was torturing them with that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a psychological game, a psychological operations
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: for later on when what ultimately happens. And also with
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: him playing his sermons and like speaking the recorded messages
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: over a loudspeaker, that's like it's like psychic driving, right,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: That's like a repeated looped audio message, which is one
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: was what the CIA did in the mk ulture programs.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: They would do, exactly, exactly exactly, and you're in their
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: head twenty four seven. I mean, wouldn't that drive you
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: insaying to listen to I mean, you might want to
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: listen to Jim Jones for a little bit at church,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: but you don't want to hear him all day, non
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: stop screaming in your head, you know. And then he's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: not saying nice things. He's telling you that you got
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to watch out. People are out there to kill us.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: They're in the jungle, they're going to get us. Then
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the capitalists are coming. They're alert. They're alerted to us.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: You gotta if anybody says anything, he does any screaming
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: and preaching like crazy nonsense. Twenty four to seven. And
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: by that time, you've been in this church for over
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a decade, and you're so brainwashed, and you have no money,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: you have no relatives. They don't know where you are,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: you don't know where they are. You're there with your children.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: You have no way to escape. There's also people all
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: around the compound with hundreds of guns threatening you. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you know that He's told everybody, if someone says something
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: to you or betrays him, let us know. So everybody's
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: ratting on each other, beating each other up. The children
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: were being beaten, and while they were being beaten, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: these children are crying, he's putting their mouth up to
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the microphone to play all over the speakers. He's electro
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: shocking children like the for torture. He's making them stand
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: for hours being whipped, like they were even doing this
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: stuff probably before they went to Guyana. They're doing this
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: here and so people are just terrified to do anything,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: and it just gets insane and they're just they're broken down,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like The other thing is I told you the first
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: thing they'll start doing. Not the first thing, but one
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: of the things they'll do is they'll hardly give you
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: any food, so you have no energy. You're almost like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a zombie. You're like a zombie. They've zombiefied you. You
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: can't think, you can't ryan, you don't have the energy
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to do anything. And they're out in the middle of nowhere.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: That's why the CIA and all these people do things
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: in these countries because they can get away with it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: That's why they have all these operations, and you get
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: even celebrities will do creepy, weird things with their groups
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: over in these other countries because they can get away
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: That's also why they put like state federal prisons in
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere too. So on the happen stance
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and the happened chance that you possibly escape, you're not
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: going to get far because there's nothing in the surrounded area.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And some of the people eventually did escape and get
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: through the jungle and make it live to Georgetown, which
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: is crazy, but there were people who escaped, and there
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: were people who were leaving Jonestown months before they got out,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: and they were coming back to America and they were
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: telling like Leo Ryan, they were telling people what was
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: going on, and so people start to hear these stories.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Relatives started to get involved and say, my loved one
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: is in this jungle. I want answers. They start to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: go into politicians. So journalists were writing stuff. People were
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: escaping and coming back and saying, he's brainwashing us, he's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: manipulating there. It's abusive, there's drugs, there's people with guns.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Like they start to tell everybody what was going on
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: in this jungle. So that's why they started to send
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: news reports. And that's exactly why leo'ryan and his aide
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: what's her name, Oh, I can't remember, she's a Jackie Spears.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: That's why they went on there over there to check
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: out what was going on. But of course, I mean
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: that the narrative that they tell you now is totally
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: When I started to dig into what happened, when that
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: came down to it was totally different. They tell you
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the kool aid narrative where everyone drank the kool aid
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and just evil Jim Jones killed every you know, Leo
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Ryan all as people, But it was it's there's so
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: much more that was going on that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what was happening, and it was insane.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Were those the ones that were killed on the on
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the tarmac as on the.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, So.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I mean I'm probably missing tons of information in between here.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: But like I said, Lee Ol Ryan, one thing you
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: have to know about him is he was a thorn
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: in the CIA's side. He had authorized the Hughes Ryan
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Amendment and it forced extensive c notification to Congress about
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: covert operations. So he was putting a lock on their
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: covert operations everywhere, and they didn't much like this. Okay,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: so he's being alerted to a lot of these problems.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: So he along with Jackie Spears, I don't know if
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: it's ABC, NBC one of those news There was a
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: bunch of journalists that came down with him, and what
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I always thought it was just them and they went
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: down on their own and they investigated this. But what
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I found out was, and I'm gonna get this correct here,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I made some notes because I was like really surprised
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: that they had like someone from the State Department that
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: attended them, and his name was Richard Dwyer, and he
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: went down with their crew and what he actually was
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: was a secret CIA station chief. And Ryan didn't realize this.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: He thought he was just from the State Department. So
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: he comes, he goes down with them in that cartoon
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: airstrip and apparently this guy had something to do with
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that land area when they were training a lot of
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: those people.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: He when it was.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, well, I think it still was a CI spot.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I think the CIA was funding everything, and Jim Jones
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: was a CIA agent and he knowed that Jim Jones
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: a CIA agent, and Jim Jones knows that he's in
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: with the CIA, so he's basically set up there as
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: a plant and he's literally goes in there with them,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: and so Leo, Ryan and Jackie Spears and the new
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: crews they go in and they get into Jonestown and
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: they're investigating this whole messed up scenario, and of course
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Jim Jones tries to make everything locally happy and good,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: but they could feel something is wrong, right, and Jim
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Jones is basically, you know, trying to fool them, but
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: they can feel something's wrong because everyone feels tense. And
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: then someone slips them a note, one of the journalists
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: a note, and the notes basically bagging for them to
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: take them out of this place. And so they kind
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: of confront Jim Jones about this and he goes, oh,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you know, just leave us be. This person's being a
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: manipulator and a liar, and he says, if they want
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: to go, they can go, but leave us be. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: of course he's just lying and manipulating and it's you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: occurring to him what he has to do. And apparently
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: someone tried to tack LEO. Ryan with a knife. They
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: take off, they leave, and I think some people leave
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: with them. They let them take some people from the
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: cult because they all want to go, and more than
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: thirty people start saying I want to go. I want
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to go, like they want to get the hell out
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: of there. And then when they get to just before
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: they get to the airstrip, and I believe it's that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: dwire guy goes with them, and then the dwire guy
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: is off just before they get shot. He takes off
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: and his whereabouts is sketchy. No one knows where he went.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So wily O'Ryan gets murdered. Jackie Spears survives, but she
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: laid and played dead. All the NBC crew get murdered.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: A couple other people do. They gun them down, and
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it's these guys from the compound. Jim Jones sends them
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: after them. After they leave, he's got all those guys
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: with machine guns. They're his little army. I forget what
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: he called them. Had a name for his little brigade,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: something brigade. And so they gun them down. But this
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: CIA agent disappears. He says he's in Georgetown. But if
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: you go back, of course, Jim Jones does the kool
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: A thing and he records himself for the last hour
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: of everything, and he's heard saying, Dwyer, get let's get Dwyer.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Where's Dwyer?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Like he knows him, like he's there. So I think
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: he went back and made sure everything got carried out
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: with the with jonestown, like everybody got killed because everyone
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: will say they drank the kool aid. Nobody drank a
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: kool aid. They can tell like forced injections, gunshots, everything,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: like they were murdered.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: What about the people that loved with the journalists. Did
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: they make it?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them did make it. Some of them
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: did make it out alive, some of them were a
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: lot of them were injured, but not everybody died. There
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: were people who left and tracked down in the jungle
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and got out, so there were survivors that we could
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: tell you stuff. But of course, I mean I if
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: you go and listen, I think you can find it
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: on YouTube, the recordings of Jim Jones.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I've heard it, and I don't like to listen to it,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: but I don't like either.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: It's really bad, it's awful. I warn people, it's really graphic.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. But you can hear him talking to that
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Dwyer guy. So there's no way he was in Georgetown.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: He wasn't at the airship because he took off before
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the gunman came and started shooting. So I think he knew.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: He knew the gunmen were coming, they had it planned,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and he just took off back to Jonestown and then
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: helped carry stuff out there. That's my suspicion. Sticking with it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: He yeah, he's heavily involved in the CIA, And like
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I said, the CIA wouldn't have cared if Leo Ryan
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: was gone. That would suit them just fine. Because he
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: was Leo Ryan was acting asking for more transparency from
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: the CIA and their covert operations, and he was past
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: pushing bills through to get it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: The only thing that I have a hard time with is, like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: what would be the point other than seeing like how
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you could control and manipulate people and seeing what you
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: could get them to do on like a small group scale.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: So therefore later on you can do it worldwide. Right,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And we see some science of that around, you know,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. You know that that's the type of ideology,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, culture control and manipulation that was done
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: on the public is sort of identical to the type
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: of manipulation that Jim Jones was doing to his followers
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Right, well, I think it's like, okay, so it's another
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: operation where they can experiment obviously and look at stuff.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: But it's also a lot of people suggest that it
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: was the CIA's way of killing a lot of civil
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: rights movements, a lot of black organizations that have a
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: lot of power. To make it look like, look at
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: all these these kind of things, they go bad, they're communists,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: they're Marxists. Like to put that in the people's mind
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: that it's just all this love stuff, all this stuff,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: it's just a bunch of crazy people. There was a
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: lot of suggestions of that, and remember In nineteen eighty one,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a lawsuit was actually filed by the families and other
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: people against the government, saying that this was a CIA
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: operation and they had evidence, and there was even former
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: members who were saying, no is CIA. The CIA was
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: all over it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I don't I can't guess all of the CIA's reason
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: because I'm not a psychopath. But I mean, why, why
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: have why do mk ULTRA at all? I mean they're
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: doing it everywhere throughout universities, hospitals, They're doing it up
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: in Canada McGill, you know.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe they wanted some big mass experimentation where they couldn't
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: be hindered, where nothing would happen because there's too many
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: rules in America. People were onto them. They had a
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: shut But I mean probably by nineteen seventy eight, I'm
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: assuming they would have been, you know, mkult was starting
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: to get out and they would have to shut that down. Anyways,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure when they started getting outed for MKULTR.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I can't remember, but I'm sure it's still going. I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: don't think they've shut I think they're still doing experiments
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: on different people in military. They do experiment on military
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: people all the time.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Seventy five when it was when it was revealed to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the public.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so seventy five, and so this is happening
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: in seventy eight. So maybe they're like, Okay, well, we
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: won't do it here in the hospitals. Maybe we'll go
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: to Guyana and do it now. Maybe we'll go to
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know, someplace in South America where they don't
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: where we can get away with it and they don't
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: have rules. Them are out in the middle of nowhere.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: You know, your gas is as good as mine. To
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: their motives, to everything. But I don't think they think
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the same way I do. I mean, I think a
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: lot of people in the CIA are normal, but I
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: think the top ten or twenty percent are probably specifically
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: picked because they're kind of psychopaths, because they don't have
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a moral compass the same way that you or I do.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: But the majority of CIA people are probably not like that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just like to figure things out and try
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and figure out a way to like, you know, what
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: would be the right to not Yeah, because once you
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: figure that out, then like things become like more clear,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: once you figure out the motivation to do something. But
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: that's kind of hidden under a veil too, because like
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you were mentioning, there's normally several reasons why it's not
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: just one thing, because if one thing goes wrong, then
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: your entire plan is like completely wrecked and ruined. And
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: what you said makes sense because that's also what they
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: did with the hippie movement and the destroying well.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: What the Manson family, you know, that's that book. Kale
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Us kind of outlines that Manson was at least part
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: of the FBI.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: It sure was possibly getting the LSD directly from the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: CIA too, or if not directly, indirectly, and.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: There was there was this idea that Jim Jones had
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: planned to not kill himself and flee to rush our Cuba.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: And to this day we don't really know who killed
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Jim Jones. He was shot. He didn't take any poison.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Like I said, most of the poison. A lot of
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: these people were forced to give their babies and their
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: children the poison kool aid first and listen to them die,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and then they just like they that was it. They
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: just wanted to die. And so most of those people
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: got injected with a needle from it or shot. That's
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: what he did to them. That's how sick he really was.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: That's sort of like what happened with the Order of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the Solar Temple cult in Geneva, Switzerland in their early
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: nineties as well their compound. And so they had three compounds,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: one in Switzerland and Won a couple of hours away
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: from that, one in Switzerland, and one in Canada, and
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: they all pretty much simultaneously, all went up in flames.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: But the people that were inside that they all died.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And but the people that were inside, most of them
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: were all killed from a gunshot wound. But the weird
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: thing about that old situation was the evidence of the
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: gun was found outside of the compound, and it was
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a one shooter gun. You can only do one bullet
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: at a time, so it's like one of those one
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: shooters where you had to load it cocky, fire out
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and then put another bird in it and then load
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: it cock parrot, So it didn't hold that many bullets.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: So that was like the contention of exactly what happened.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And the investigation, of course was all, you know, it
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: all they all committed, you know, they all did the thing,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and but that was proven false because several of them
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: were found with gunshot wounds directly to their head. But
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: then they were like, well, this is the murder weapon.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: So how did I forget exactly how many were found
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: with a gunshot wound to the head, But it was
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: several of them, A large more majority of them was
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: found with a gunshot wound to the head. So they
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: were thinking, well, if this was only one person with
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: one gun, then how did they shoot so many people?
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: No, And like I said, it's there's things just don't
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: add up. Like for me right away, there's no way
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: like he could have all these resources, this land, you know,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I know he's getting the money from the followers, but
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't believe that he have access to this
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: land in this country, all these drugs, all these medication
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: be able to transport people that fast. I mean in
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I just it just there's just something that doesn't add
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: up to say that Jim Jones on his own operated
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: with this. I mean the level of politics he was
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: involved in the United States cheating elections too. For mayor
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the mayor of I was his name, Moscapone, like he
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: was yeah, must goo and sorry apparently oh and apparently
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: that mayor was assassinated a week after the Jonestown massacre,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: crazy stuff.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: It was a crazy time.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you know, and I'm I also like,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: there's just no way all of this happened because Jim
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Jones like, let's go people, let's go to Guyana.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: It's this is a whole.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: This just reeks of a government structure running it. The
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: level of like I just it just seems really unlikely.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: And I never thought about that before because I think,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: you know, we if you're not really investigating stuff and
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: looking into you just come home and from work and
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: you know, you see the news and you're just like,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: oh wow, Okay, this crazy cult leader kills them all.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean every cult run by the CIA,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: but I certainly we know he had ties. And like
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I said, when he was in Brazil, it was John
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Lotison who met Jones in Brazil. That's the one. There
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: was literally a CIA agent's they know that he was
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: meeting with Jim Jones when he was living in Brazil
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty two sixty three. So he has multiple
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: contacts and interactions with CIA agents in an including Dwyer,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: and Dwyer's right there and doesn't get killed. And I
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: know we wanted to know what's going on, But I'm
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: pretty sure it's mult Like you said, it's multiple different angles.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: They've got a lot of civil rights stuff going on,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: black power, black groups, they want to get rid of
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: their whole top entire. You know, they have to now
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: be super secretive because mc aultro has been shut down.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it could serve multiple purposes. And a lot
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: of times nothing makes sense until later, until we find
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: it out, even about stuff I'm finding out now about
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: current politics and J six, you know, it's like what,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: like you're like, Wow, this is crazier than I thought.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Like I don't even think I could think like that.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what happened to the lawsuits of the surviving
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: members and the.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Nope, they threw it out at the courts, threw it out.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: It never went anywhere. It never went anywhere. Wow, Yeah,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: it never went anywhere unfortunately, and they filed. They filed
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: in eighty one, I believe, and they were like convinced,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: they were convinced. So yeah, when they shot and killed
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: LEA Ryan, they also killed Don Harris, Bob Brown, Greg Robinson,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: and Temple members. Patricia Parks Spears was left dead but
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: survived with BI bullet shot into her and she's I
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: think she was in Congress. Now she's still she's a Democrat.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: She's still around, and she's written a book about it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Wy I don't have to check her stuff out trying
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: to get her on the show. I like talking to
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: some of the people that were a part of the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: what could be considered cults. I had David Thibodeaux from
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Waco on as well, and they also had the FBI director,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: well the negotiator for the FBI during the Waco stuff
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: on the show as well. So I like getting the
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: perspectives of those people too, because, like Thibodeau did not
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: believe that it was like a cult, like he was like,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: these people wanted to be there. They were not forced
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: to be at the compound in Waco. So I tend
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: to hesitate from calling the Waco branch Davidian's a cult
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: because it really seemed like that they believed everything that
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: David Garush.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, they can still be a cult and want
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: to be there. I think how Jim Jones controlled everybody.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Like I said, often cult leaders create an es versus them,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: so you create an outside villain that's coming for you,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: and you say they're coming, we got to go, so
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: they'll get up and leave. And then you also create
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: a suspicion within your cult, so they're constantly not just
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: battling outside, they're battling people withinside too and reporting them.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: So you control everybody at all these different angles.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's the Order of the Solar Temple call.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: This is a really interesting one for you to look
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: and have a did a whole show on it on
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: my channel, and this is one of the compounds that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: was completely burnt to the ground. But it seemed like
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: that they were trying to get these guys the way
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: that they were trying to get but they were very
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Masonic as well, and this was like only like super
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: rich people too, and like they're in the row bowl.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: After the fires were done, they found like all these
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: pay stops and several members like super high rich members
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: were donating just millions of dollars to the Order of
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: the Solar Temple with Lukexerie and George Damambro, like millions
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: and millions of dollars, And I'm like, Holy crafts crazy.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: But it seemed like they were trying to get them
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: the same type of way that they tried to get
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: the branch Davidians at Waco with the atf IS saying
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: that they were doing illegal guns trafficking and modifying weapons
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and all that because they had this big investigation at
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: their compound up in Canada.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: One thing that I forgot to mention is so after
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: everything was done, all these people were murdered and Jim
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Jones was murdered, a radio message was sent out after
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: the massacre. Basically it was basically the narrative that we
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: know now. It wasn't really telling. It said people drank
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: kol aid and killed themselves. And nobody knows who sent
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: that out. And the only radio available at the time
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: was run by intelligence, so that they don't did dwire
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: send it out. Nobody knows who sent them this message out,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: but they sent a message out I don't SEEI till
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: somewhere in the United States saying what had happened, And
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: it was this almost like they already had the narrative
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: planned that we know now, and that does it doesn't
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: add up because most of the people didn't drink kool aid.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: They tell everybody, Oh, they all drank the kool aid,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: and that's just not how it happened. They were shot murdered,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: and you can see injection sites on all the adults.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: It's they couldn't have possibly reached that part of their
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: body and done it. And so nobody knows to this
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: day how that got out because there was there's only
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: one radio in the area and that was run by intelligence.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a crazy connection.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and nobody knows if Jim Jones shot himself or
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: someone shot him. They know he died from guns shot.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Some people will try to say that his hand was
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: like this, and it means he had a gun, But
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: nobody knows who really shot Jim Jones, if he shot
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: himself or somebody shot him, they don't know. And another thing, well,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: here's the other thing that's really crazy. I'm sure they
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: did autopsy somebodies. There was nine hundred of them. The
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: first they were reporting like two or three hundred, and
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: then later the stories kept changing. They said, oh, bodies
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: were stacked on top of each other. But they left
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the bodies there for days to rot in the compound,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: and so there's no DNA testing back in those days.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: And one of the things is is if you leave
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: a body for a long time to rot, it actually
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: can compromise evidence. So there might not be fingerprints on
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: things or something like that. So you know, you think
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: they'd want to get in there and deal with it
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: right away, but they actually just left it for a while,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: quite a while before they started to investigate.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: And there might be different.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Reasons why they did that that I'm not aware of,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: but it's kind of I don't know, maybe they couldn't
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: get in there. I have no idea, but they left
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: them there for a while. And that does compromise any
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: You know, analysis and study.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: And they and the analysis in those days were nothing
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: like what it is today.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: So I want to kind of touch on this, uh,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: this idea of like the types of things that he
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: was doing too, the followers of this cult, and the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: way that he was like psychologically manipulating them. You were
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: mentioning the the white what did you call it, the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: White Knight?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: They called it, they call they called it white Knights, Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: White knights. But I also heard you mention about this
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: thing that he did to like the miraculous healing type
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: thing that people do in like you know, you see
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: it all the time and these big preacher faith healing. Yeah,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: that's where like they'll take off their jacket and they'll
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: just run through a crowd of all the people in
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: the pews and everyone will just fall over. They'll bring
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: somebody up that needs to be healed in like a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: certain way to get rid of their cancer or like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: you know, heal their arm, or someone that's handicapped that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: gets them the walk again. Was he performing things like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that because there becomes a point where you can talk
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: all that you want. You can talk a big game
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: and say a lot of things, but you have to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: show some sort of evidence of what you're talking about.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, when he was stealing California at the People's Temple,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: that's what his church was called. He you know, he
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: had the vibe like you said, he had all the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: stuff and he was making all the claims and then
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: it comes time where you have to show a miracle.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: You gotta walk on water or something bro right. And
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: so he would do these faith healings, and it was
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: he's like an illusionist. It's just like an illusionist. So
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: one of the things he would do is he would
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: say he would tell an illusionists to do this, but
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: they're honest, like they they get basically actors that are
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: going to participate or unknown people are going to participate,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: So he would fake that people were blind or crippled
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: that'd suddenly be healed. He would also say that somebody
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: had cancer, and then he would cut the cancer out,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: but it had just it was just a hidden rotten
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: chicken that somebody had, and he would make it look
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: like he had the cancer out of them. One of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: the biggest things he did was he had this woman
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: that was a member of the church. He had her
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: drugged and so she passed out and while she's passed,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: he puts a cast on her. They put a cast
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: on her while she's unconscious. So when she comes to,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: they told her, you know, when you passed out, you
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: broke your leg and you've been out for a while,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: and we had and you mean this time, they're brainwashed.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: They believe everything, and they tell her we had to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: put a cast on your leg. And so they go
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: into the church and he says, we're gonna do a healing.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: We're gonna heal your leg, and so in front of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the church, he tells them that she passed out, broke
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: her leg, and he's gonna faith heal it and all
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And the doctor had looked after it, and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: so he does this whole big act and they cut
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: the cast off and he says, now, run, run like
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: it's sealed.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: And of course she.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Runs because it's not broken, because it never was because
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: they just drugged her. And everybody goes crazy like this
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: was this is the ultimate evidence that he is this
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: godly reincarnation of Marxist Jesus. I don't know what they're thinking,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: but he's the man, and they say, like, you know,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: nobody does things like the Reverend Jim Jones.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: He's huge, he's huge.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: People just loved him like crazy, and that's how he
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: did it. They basically drugg this poor woman and put
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: a cast on her while she's unconscious.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: And made her believe that her leg was broken in
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: order for her to get up and be healed. You know,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: this reminds me of the Sulfi Order of Islam. They
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: would do something very similar to what Jim Jones just did.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: They would this is how they would create assassins for
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: their order right and their their disciples. They would, you know,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to give them their disciples blind loyalty to the leader
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: or the master right, the order would drug the the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: disciples with hashish, which is a drug, would knock them out,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: and they would take them to this area where it's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: like so magnificently beutiful, like a paradise, have all these
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: attractive women around them. That's where the whole you know,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: seventy seven virgins come from. Seventy seven virgins in paradise.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. Really. So they would drug their disciples with hashish,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: lead them to this paradise like a garden, right, filled
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: with attractive young virgin women or whatever, and made them
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: believe that they were virgins or whatever, which the Order
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: had all set up, all these women were actors, right.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: They would knock them back out with hashish, and when
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: they would wo when they woke up, they're no longer
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: in the garden, all the women are gone.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: So they think they've had this experience and gone to heaven,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: and so it's all true, my dear.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And then the Master would be like, you know, that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: was paradise, you know, and if you want to return
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: to paradise, if you want to go back to heaven
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: with all the virgins and this beautiful land, in this
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: beautiful garden and all the gorgeous women in the in
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: the virgins, you have to, you know, serve the assassins.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: You have to become an assassin and do the bedding
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: of the assassin order. And that's how they got blind loyalty.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: When it's literally a staged set up mixed with drugs.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: You know, this is one factual historical record. Marco Polo
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: wrote about this that he had heard from Mohammed the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Third whenever he was doing his travels.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's so crazy. Uh, that's why I'm like, that's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: why I'm a hermit. I want everyone to stay away
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: from me. It's it's insane, it's it's almost unbelievable. But
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people are not just trusting.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: It's not that they're just trusting, it's they like any
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: I tell everybody, anyone could be inducted into a cult
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: at any time.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: You know, you're not.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Anyone could be susceptible. You could just be going through
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: a divorce, you could be at a painful time in
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: your life, you could have lost your children, you could
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: just be looking for more. Rich people get into cults
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: all the time. It's not even about income. There's an
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: emotional thing that's happening, and you want to believe in
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: something magic and something more than you and you just
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: don't believe that you're enough, or you're having problems with
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: your family. Maybe you're in university for the first time,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: a young kid out on your own, and you're insecure
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: and you're lonely, and you know, there's all sorts of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: circumstances that can set you up as a really vulnerable
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: person that these type of people know to target. And
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: like I said, the first thing is if anyone comes
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: up with you and starts telling you really great things
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: about yourself and love bombing, you get away from those people,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: because that's the first stage. That's exactly what they'll do.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: You know, people have to take a long time to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: prove who they are to you. You don't you know,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: you have to watch them over a year, two years.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: You don't just jump in because in two days they
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: said nice stuff about you. Now people just get so
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: tied up in this stuff and they want to believe
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: so bad and honestly, if there is something in the afterlife,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be a heck of a lot better
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: than when any of these people can make up. And
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: you'll find out when you get there, because you'll get
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: there one day.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Well, there's also there's also the opposite of that though,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: where people will like love you for a really long time,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: watch everything you do, like everything that you do, comment
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: on everything that you do, share everything that you do,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: and then soon as you say something that they don't like.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, it's it's flipped.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: They go on the attack like a tackle and hide.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens more and more times than that.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: It's true. And you can be in a relationship like
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: that where you think it's going good and then you
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: get married to the person, then they do it scho
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: and they do a flip and then the real them
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: comes out. It happens, It does. But I have to say,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: you literally have to keep your own self all the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: time and always have your boundaries. Yeah, it's just like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: if I never never give anybody all your money.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that It's just so interesting because I could, like,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: if I like somebody like it doesn't matter what they say,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: especially online on on social media. Like, if I like them,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: I like them, I do not care what kind of
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: stupid things that they say. They get a pass because
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I like them. They're my friend and I consider them
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a friend. You know, people have this This is such
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: a weird ideology that's wrapped up into this community, that
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: that they think that they know more than you and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: that that you know what I mean, It's like the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: dichotomy of life, right, wacky things like how how much
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: more like this person? This person knows all about this?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: You should like yeah, like it doesn't like I don't care.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: I just don't care. Like I'm here to do my thing,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: and do you know what I like to do and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: what I love to do and bring the people on
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: that I want to talk to you and have a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: good conversation.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: With exactly, and I mean just most people who are
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: authentic in life, they don't have ulterior motives. All these
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: other people they'll always be watching you with ulterior motives,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: and it's hard to tell what people's ulterior motives are.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: It can be very tricky and it confusing because they
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: make it confusing. The love bombing, like when you get
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: somebody who does that, who you think loves you and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: has been good to you, and then they get nasty
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: and they push you away. But what they'll do is
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: they'll pull you back in and love bomb you again,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: and they'll keep doing that, get nasty, push you away
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: and that that is. That will mess your head up
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: because you'll want them to go back to be who
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: that person was that you think they were. And a
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: lot of times they'll behave in the way that you
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: want because they know what you want. They figured it out,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: and you're projecting what you want on them and they're
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: not that person. And you're devastated when the masks falls
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: because the cult leaders not the Jesus you thought they were,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: and you want them to go back to being that person,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: and they do for a little bit, and then the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: mask falls off again, and that's part of the abuse too,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: and people have to be really aware that, yes, there
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: weren't all normal human beings. We can make mistakes and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: we can get upset with each other. But usually people
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: will say sorry, they'll apologize, they'll admit they're wrong, you know,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: all that stuff that they're on an authentic person. But
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: cult leaders will never do that. They'll manipulate you, they'll lie,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: they'll try to make you think you're all the problem
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: and there's something wrong with you. Abuse of people and families,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: they'll do that as well. They'll never apologize for anything,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: and they'll never be wrong, and they'll even lie to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: you and say you never saw that, never happened, this
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: is how it happened. Like it's there's so much mind
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: control and mockery and cults that it's like even in churches,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: like I live around a lot of Mormons, and even
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: in that it's like met I think it's kind of
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: messed up.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: It's like, Wow, Yeah, I.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Was going to dive into Mormonism and there are a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: whole religion, but there's just so much to it that
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't really want to even go there. And I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: didn't go there with Scientology. There are a bunch of
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: people were asking me to dive into scientology and I'm like,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: there's just too much. There's too much going on with it.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot, and it's I mean, they're all
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: kinds of cults. I mean, Christianity at one point was
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: a cult, I'm sure, but there are cults that are benign.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Like there's cults that are not as crazy as what
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: we're seeing. I think the real crazy ones that we're
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: seeing in the twentieth cents. You know, it's because of drugs.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: It's because like I think they're being pushed that way,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: They're being funded somehow. It's beyond just follow me. We
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: want to be spiritual. It's going somewhere really dark and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: malicious for mind control and torture, maybe even getting people
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: to you know, undo like I said, undo civil activists
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: or undo hippie movements, or be assassins who knows they
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: have dark purposes. And not all cults are like that.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the the not the definition of
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: a cult. But I think that you can be in
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: a movement like I think the Christianity is more of
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: a movement and have cult like behaviors individually within that movement.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Because yes, people have like fronted me about Christianity in
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: the way that they talk is like that they're in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: a cult. Yes, the things that they say, how they
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: react to you and uh, you know, looking down upon
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: you because you're that you don't necessarily believe in the Bible,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: or that you don't you know, believe in certain aspects
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: of things. Uh you know, the historical aspect of Christianity
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: that there's literally no proof that Jesus ever existed, that Jesus,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that Jesus isn't his name, like, and they like they
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: attack you for that, and that type of behavior comes
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: from a cult like mentality like why would they care
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: so much?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Well, if you if you can't something, if.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: You came up to me. Let's say that I worshiped
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: freaking Cthulhu right and was my thing, and someone knew
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: that Cthulhu was my thing and they came up to
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: me on the street and they were like, you know
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: what Cthulhu is? Bullshit? They're like cool, dude, Like I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: could care less, like what you're right?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and a lot of people they can't. They can't
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: get like that. There's like some cognitive dissonance, like if
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: it's real, it's just real. You can you know if
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: it's real, it's real, it will happen, right, no matter
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: what I say against Christianity or Islam or whatever it is.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: If it's real, if it's true, it will be true,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: So it shouldn't matter. I think it's about the more
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: people that believe it, the more power it holds over
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: other people.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: I think that's it too.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: But the other thing I want to say about a
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: lot of groups is there are certain religions and of course,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: but the worst thing about the cults, the really bad ones,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: is how they isolate you and they take you away
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: from your family, and they convince you that your family
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: is horrible and hates.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: You and doesn't love you.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to be one of the worst
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: things is they isolate you from everybody else that would
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: have your best interest in life. You should always have
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: multiple things. You should have friends, you should be able
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: to talk to people, You should be able to talk
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: to your family. It doesn't matter. Like if you're in
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: a relationship and that person won't let you talk to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: your parents, won't let you talk to other people or whatever,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: that's not good. And the cults do the same thing.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: They control every element of your life. That's the whole thing.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: So if the church is controlling every element of your life,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: there might be a problem. If it's just sort of
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: there and it's spiritual for you in a place to go,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: and you're allowed to have other elements of your life,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: that's more healthy. It's when they want to control every
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: aspect of your life that is a really big problem.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: That's what happens the cult did. They were down to
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: controlling every single detail of these people's lives, like what
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: they wore, They changed their names, they changed their names,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: of the items, they would have them portioned out, They
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: made them be very androgynous of women would have to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: cut their hair like super short, and would cut their short.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: They all wear the same clothing, which kind of gets
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: into the rainbow thing that you're talking about with Jim
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Jones too. It seemed like that where Jim Jones kind
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: of left off, it seemed like Marshall apple White and
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Bonnie Nettles, on a much smaller scale than Jim Jones
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: kind of picked up where he left off. Because Marshall
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: apple White and Bonnie Nettles also went around the United
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: States and tried to go to New Age centers and
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: meet with spiritual gurus and like different religions, and they
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: to cultivate and create the beliefs of their ideology for
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: their followers.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were. They're very bizarre. And what did they
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: call each other? I can't They had names Reach and
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I can't ream. I did a show on the one
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: time now I can't remember.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Od Odi was the last name, so it'd be like
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: meliss Odie in the Heaven's Gate.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: They had little names that they all time, Marshall apple
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: that they would call each other.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Well that's what they changed their names to. So it
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: would be like the first four letters of their name
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: with the ending of odi m hm odi at the end,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: so mine would be Ryodi.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Oh that is so that you know what that sounds
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: like pig Latin or something. It's like there is a
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: really immature thing about cults because they like to control
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: the language almost like they were teenagers, like have cool
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: names and stuff. There's something really emotionally immature about it.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: At the same time that I find when they get
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: their little languages and there's they take out letters of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: the word and like nexium cult and stuff like that,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: there's just something bizarre.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: And I think that doing that as well as to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: completely break that person out of like they're program and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I guess you would call.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: It dough dough in something else.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so ridiculous.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: I just don't know.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Like I know in Mormonism they have like someone said, oh,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: we have a special handshake we have to learn to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: get into heaven. And I just looked at them like
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: that sounds like like the special knock to get into treehouse.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: What the hell?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Like every time I heard these people say something, I'm
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: just like it just sounds like I'm always looking at
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: them like really you believe that? That just sounds like
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: like a like something I would have believed when I
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: was ten. That's why I think a lot of these
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: people are emotionally somewhere, like they're tapping into some wounded
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: child or something emotional from when they're really young, because
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: they believe some strange stuff, which.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Kind of tracks back to religion in the Bible and
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: believing in you know, the Bible in the supernatural because
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: really the Bible is like a supernatural book. I mean,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: the miracles are supernatural events, the miracles that Jesus performed,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: you know, Moses partying the waters, is turning a rod
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: into a snake, like all that stuff is very supernatural
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: things that you do not get to experience in this reality.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: So I kind of open and everybody knows Christianity. Everyone
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: knows the stories of the Bible, regardless if you have
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: read them or not. You know them. Yes, So that's
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: like imprinting on you as a child from a really
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: young age.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: And is even I know them and I wasn't super
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: religious growing up. Yeah, there you go.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's it's super fascinating the way they
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: like the programming and the mk Ultra works and how
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: they've essentially figured out this way to socially engineer society
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: and get everybody in like a certain direction and then
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: calls confusion to get their way, and you know, then
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: that works on an individual level too, and I think
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: that that's exactly what happened. It was like, let's just
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: keep expanding this, like we'll start out on an individual basis,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: once we think we figured it out on an individual basis,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: and we'll kind of get to the more group type
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: of scenario like we're talking about with Jim Jones, like
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: some people think with the Heaven's Gate called, and then
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: the groups just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: and then we're like, okay, well can we just do
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: this on everyone? Can we just this on the entire world?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: At the exact same time, Yeah, we're.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Being hypnotized every day. If you watch TV and you've
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: watched it since you're a little kid, you're being progressively
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: hypnotized and propagandized and brainwashed every day and you don't
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: even know it.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: And not only would that, but like with celebrity and
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: like idol, like worshiping as well, it's the exact same
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: thing that I was talking about, Like if I like someone,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what someone says about them, it's not
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: going to change my observations or my beliefs about them.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: But if someone worships a celebrity or idolizes a musician
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: to where it's in the core of their being, you
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: cannot criticize them at all. Yeah, and they just go
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: on the attack when you do, and it makes this
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: zero sense. I'm like, you don't even know this person,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: they don't even know that you exist, Like, what are
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: you even doing? Why are you mad at me for
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: saying something about this person that you don't even know.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: That means that you value value someone that you don't
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: know over someone that is your friend, which makes the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: zero sense.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: They are worship They are worshiping a constructed version, because
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: that's all celebrities are. That's all Jim Jones was there.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: They are narcissists, and they construct a false self and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: they think that's there and they've connected with that, whether
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: they've watched them on TV. There's something about that. They've
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: projected something from themselves onto that person, because there's always
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: a projection, there's always this thing going on, but that's
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: a false person. That's why when the mask falls off,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: you're so shocked. To see the real person. That's why
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: when you hear that a celebrity is not nice, or
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: that a celebrity is a normal human being in their aging,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: people will get all like, what the heck, because you're
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: you're worshiping a false version that is not who they
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: really are and they're a fallible, mortal human being.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, one of my favorite actors is Leonardo DiCaprio. Right,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: someone can talk shit on Leonardo DiCaprio all they want.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Right, that's not going to make me
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: not like Leonardo DiCaprio. That's not going to make me
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: not watch any movies that Leonardo DiCaprio is in.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: There's lots of movies I like from older actors, and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: they probably weren't the best. I try not to really
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: get in with Like when I was younger, I used
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: to be more because I didn't realize what I realized.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Now that I'm, you know, an older lady, I try
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: to just watch the movie, enjoy the movie. I mean,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: if it was really bad, maybe I'd be like, yeah no,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: But I try not to get caught up in celebrity worship.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: It's okay, I'm gonna go see a film. And the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: film is fictional and it is what it is. And
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go and ship that person and stock
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: them hang their pictures up everywhere. They're just a person.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: They're an actor. I don't even I think it's crazy
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: how much they all get paid and how much money
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: they're worth for act for play pretending. I'm like, can
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I do that? I don't know if i'd want to? Actually,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: I know if i'd want that life.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: You can. You can try. It's probably gonna be super
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: difficult and it's super hard to do, but you can
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: try it. Maybe you'll get a lucky break and maybe
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: we'll see you in a movie.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: I'm forty eight. There's not going to be any lucky
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: breaks happening at this age.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: It's not happening.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I guess you won't see me in Hollywood, and
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: well you never know.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: You in cults.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Even Ian mccollin didn't get his break until he was
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: fifty five. Patrick Stewart didn't get his break until he
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: was in his fifties as well. So you got a shot.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think I can handle it because
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: I couldn't go and schmooze at these fake parties. And
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: try to promote stuff. I'd be like, oh God, do
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: I have to go I sustain bed, it wouldn't happen.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it's it is idle worship. And unfortunately
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: for the people in Jonestown, they fell for it and
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: they didn't they were you know, they had whatever each
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: of their own individual reasons were that they went for
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: this and they thought it was so great and hyped
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: up and stuff. They fell for idol worshiping.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely seems like exactly what was going on
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: and they I mean that kind of seems like it's
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: the way with a lot of these people and a
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: lot of the cults, like they think that they're one.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: They're hearing something that they've never heard before, because that's
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: a very common thing from a lot of the followers,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: is something brand new. It's something that they've never heard,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: so that intrigues them at first. That's what a lot
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: of the former followers that left the Heaven's Gate cult
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: before you know, the thing went down. Yeah, that's what
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: they said, is that the reason that they were so
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: intrigued because they had never heard anything like it before.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: And some of the people that was in that very
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: first meeting with them in Oregon said that it was
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: like while looking at Jesus and like Mary Magdalene, you know,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: they were like the energy was palpable in there. The
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: energy was just radiating off them. It was like standing
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: next to Jesus. That's what they said.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, And it's unfortunate with all of these cults,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: especially something I mean, Jim Jones was a big one
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: because it was such a lot of you know, death
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: and it was crazy. And like I said, he was
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: he was beloved by a lot of celebrities, a lot
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: of politicians. He was well received in the media. That's
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: what also makes me think that back to the CIA
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: ties that he was promoted so heavily. And if you
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: know anything about the Medium Project mocking Bird, you know
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: that more and more, probably even in those days.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: But more and more and more. A lot of our.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Movies, films, everything too, that we idolize. A lot of
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: the money and a lot of that stuff comes out
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: of intelligence agencies and stuff like that. So it's not
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: a mistake. It's highly scripted. It's not just oh wow,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: we got this breaking news show. We just can't believe it.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, there's a narrative, and everyone thinks news
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: is real, but news is just as fictional as some
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: of these movies. You know, there's a narrative, and it's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: not always exactly what happens. It's what they want you
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: to think happened. And we're the goodies and everybody else's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: the baddies.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: The manipulation of perception, that's what it's all about. If
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: you can create the perception, then it doesn't matter if
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: the event was real or not, as long as you
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: believe that it was real. But it also works the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: opposite way as well. That people think is the alternative
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: view to look at is also a smoke screen, and
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: they're way off base too, so.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: Well they can also they can also take the conspiracy
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: and monetize that and pop the conspiracy. They can even
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: take the truth and you know, and thirty years later
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: write a book or a movie about and twist it
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: up a little bit and make money off of that.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: They're always trying to make money. It's it's never ending.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: And I just like tell people, like, if your mind
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't so powerful and it wasn't so important, there wouldn't
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: be so many people vying for it. And trying to
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: manipulate it for you for it. They want your mind,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: they want your energy, they want your resources, they want
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: your money, they want all this stuff. And if it
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't so important, and you were just really a piece
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: of crap, there wouldn't be so all these people trying
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: to get your mind to follow them and give them
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: your time and money. It's very important you have protect
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: your mind. You have to have boundaries. You know, don't
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: let anyone me Bride or nobody manipulate you and tell
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: you who you can talk to you and what you
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: can do.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: That's right. And I think that was a beautiful singing
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: and on and thank you very much for coming on
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: the show. I really appreciate your time and I'll happy
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: effort on here this evening. Really appreciate it. Can you
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: let people know where to find you.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Easiest thing to do is go to the website. All
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: my live stream links are there gen xon x dot com.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be doing I usually do three shows a week,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: but next week I'm only gonna do one. Tuesday, I'm
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: going to be live streaming like a docu stream. I'm
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: gonna go through these old mk Ultra document documentaries and
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: maybe at Jim Jones One and we'll do that. I'll
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: do that Tuesday night, and then I gotta take the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: rest of the week off because I have too much
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: to catch up on you because I had a heavy
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: week of stuff this week with the podcast. But if
• 1:30:55
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• 1:30:59
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• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. The links to Welissa's information is
• 1:31:04
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• 1:31:07
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