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Stalker Perv Shoots in Door of Teen Girl TikToker Family Home · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hey, mom, everybody's doing it. I'm talking about TikTok crime stories,
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  Speaker 1: and you really can't use thee if they jumped off
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  Speaker 1: the cliff, would you jump off the cliff too? That's
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  Speaker 1: really not working anymore. And everybody is using TikTok, including
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  Speaker 1: the Chinese, but they're not why I'm here right now,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it. See Grace, this is crime stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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  Speaker 1: Sirius XM one eleven. You know you can shoot to
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  Speaker 1: start them on TikTok. Some people making around two thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars per posting. That's a lot of money for a
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  Speaker 1: little girl. Take a listen to this. Hi, guys, I
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  Speaker 1: don't really know how to start this, so we're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna go along with this one. This is my first
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  Speaker 1: blog or YouTube video. Give me like all ideas in
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  Speaker 1: the commons, because I actually want to start doing this,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not so good with filming. I'm out of breath.
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  Speaker 1: I just ran all the way from over there. We
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  Speaker 1: can at leastee you. But it's really goody here. Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of speaking along with the journey right now.
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  Speaker 1: Where evergle something city something. It's like really all the
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  Speaker 1: gators are in stuff is cool. I didn't think I
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  Speaker 1: was coming here. That's why I'm dressed like this. M Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go take fire Instagram pictures and you guys
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  Speaker 1: will see that. You're hearing the voice of a then
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  Speaker 1: little girl, Ava majority and she is posting her very
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  Speaker 1: first tick talk video. How did she, this gorgeous little
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  Speaker 1: girl end up on Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Take a listen to our cut a
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  Speaker 1: four GMA. Ava says in early twenty twenty, she noticed
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  Speaker 1: one follower trying to get her attention, commenting on her
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  Speaker 1: TikTok videos and reaching out to her through other social
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  Speaker 1: media apps, asking for photos, even paying kids she thought
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  Speaker 1: were friends for information about her. Was there a point, Ava,
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  Speaker 1: where you started selling pictures of yourself to him? After
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  Speaker 1: talking to both my parents, I thought it would be
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  Speaker 1: mutual if I had gone contact with him directly, and
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  Speaker 1: I said, hey, like, please stop going through my friends,
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  Speaker 1: and please stop contacting people for information about me, Like,
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  Speaker 1: just come straight to me and you can purchase it
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  Speaker 1: off of me. She says that his quests escalated and
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  Speaker 1: became inappropriate, so she blocked him on all of her accounts,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when her father, Rob says he intervened contacted
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  Speaker 1: him directly when Ava received a message, told him that
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  Speaker 1: she's a miner. He needs to stop pursuing anything, and
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  Speaker 1: that you know, he should just not contact her anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about a hydra. Every time you chop off one head,
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  Speaker 1: more appear snapping and biting at you. This little girl
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  Speaker 1: making talk videos like millions of other little girls and
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  Speaker 1: boys are doing every single day you've seen them. How
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  Speaker 1: could it go so wrong again? I Nancy Gracis's crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, and if you are a parent,
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  Speaker 1: an aunt and uncle, a grandparent, you need to hear
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  Speaker 1: this with me and all Star Penelt to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of what we know right now. Dan ellis high profile
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  Speaker 1: lawyer with the Herman Law Group in New York and Florida.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at at Dan Underscore, Ellis Underscore
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  Speaker 1: Esquire and at Herman Law dot com. Doctor at Mindy B. Mechanic,
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  Speaker 1: professor's Psychology, California State University, Fullerton, Forensics psychologist, A boy,
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  Speaker 1: do we need a shrink? Today? Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon and star of a brand new hit series Bodie
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  Speaker 1: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart to Tanya Jordan,
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  Speaker 1: another special guest joining us, and you're gonna want to
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  Speaker 1: hear what she has to say. Chief Parent Officer Bark
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  Speaker 1: Parental Controls, author of parenting and a tech World. I've
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  Speaker 1: got Bark, and it's no secret my children. No, I've
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  Speaker 1: got Bark. I love Bark. It tells me even when
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  Speaker 1: some other little kid writes a curse word and a
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  Speaker 1: text chain. And I want to know you can find
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  Speaker 1: her at to Tanya Jordan and at Bark dot us.
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  Speaker 1: But first I'm going to go to a friend and
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  Speaker 1: colleague who's been on the story from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 1: our friend at dailymail dot com, Charlie Langston. Charlie, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. So tell me about this
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  Speaker 1: little girl, Ava, Missouri. Who is she, where is she?
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  Speaker 1: What was she posting on TikTok that arouses the tension?
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  Speaker 1: Let me just put it ephemistically of Eric Justin well
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  Speaker 1: Eiva is much like the majority of other teenage girls
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  Speaker 1: out there. She started posting on TikTok when she was
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  Speaker 1: just thirteen years old back in twenty twenty after her
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  Speaker 1: family moved to Florida from New Jersey. Her dad as
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  Speaker 1: a retired cop, and from everything that the family has said,
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  Speaker 1: they thought the TikTok okay, wait as usual? Talking to
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  Speaker 1: you is like drinking out of fire hijack too much,
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  Speaker 1: too fast, Okay. I remember when John Dave they'll kill me,
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  Speaker 1: don't tell him. I tells you this when they came
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  Speaker 1: in at the supper table and turn on their phones,
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  Speaker 1: which I gave them way too early. To old Town Road.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Billy Ray Cyrus and somebody else did that Old
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  Speaker 1: Town Road blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: and they we're doing a TikTok acting in more John David,
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  Speaker 1: more Lucy than John David. He was just kind of
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  Speaker 1: in the background lost. But so what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Stay making a TikTok as? Oh well what? And first
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  Speaker 1: of all, hold on, Charlie to Tanya Jordan, what is
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  Speaker 1: a wait? What is quote a TikTok? Well, a TikTok
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  Speaker 1: is a short form video, whether it's fifteen seconds up
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  Speaker 1: to three minutes, that is usually very entertaining, also highly
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  Speaker 1: addictive and as we can see from these stories can
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  Speaker 1: lead to dangerous people and content. Well, you know, Charlie Lankson, Charlie,
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  Speaker 1: do you have children. I don't have children. I do
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  Speaker 1: have a TikTok account, but I don't have children. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know? My son John David and I nearly broke
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  Speaker 1: out into a physical brawl at a restaurant yesterday because
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  Speaker 1: he would he did not put his phone down the
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  Speaker 1: first three times. I said, but your phone down, sign
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  Speaker 1: you're eating. That's rude. I had to grab it from him.
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  Speaker 1: We nearly the table over. He was watching like a
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  Speaker 1: frog doing something on TikTok. He goes, but this is important, mom,
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  Speaker 1: Do you see this frog. I'm like, sadly, yes, I
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  Speaker 1: see the frog while I'm trying to eat. Put the
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  Speaker 1: frog away. So it is addictive and in their cases,
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  Speaker 1: because you know I've snooped, it seems pretty innocent. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: start at the beginning again, Charlie Lankston joining me from
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  Speaker 1: Dali Melbuck and slowly okay, so Eva joined TikTok like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people did during twenty twenty. We were
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  Speaker 1: in lockdown, we were in quarantine, and people were looking
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  Speaker 1: for things to keep them entertained. She started posting very
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  Speaker 1: innocent videos. She would film dances with her friends and
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  Speaker 1: her family. She would film prank videos, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the TikTok algorithm, which is the program
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  Speaker 1: that decides what videos you see and how often you
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  Speaker 1: see them, the TikTok algorithm took a liking to her
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  Speaker 1: video content. She very quickly started gaining thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 1: of followers, thousands and thousands of views on her videos,
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  Speaker 1: and became within months of joining the apps, she became
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  Speaker 1: what we know as an influencer, which meant that she
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  Speaker 1: was starting to earn money from the content that she
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  Speaker 1: was posting on TikTok. Wait wait wait wait wait wait
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  Speaker 1: wait wait? How old was she at that time She
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  Speaker 1: joined TikTok when she was thirteen fourteen is when she
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  Speaker 1: kind of hit TikTok fame as it were. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when you say a dance, a lot of people to you.
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  Speaker 1: Dan ellis high profile lawyer both in New York in
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  Speaker 1: Florida with the Herman Law firm. Dan a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people would think there's something sexy and provocative. It's not.
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  Speaker 1: I've looked at Ava Majuri's TikTok's. They're just like they're
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  Speaker 1: not just like, oh they one other little girls do.
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  Speaker 1: They kind of do their arms and they do something
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  Speaker 1: over their head. They kind of like dance over here.
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  Speaker 1: Then they dance over here. Then they try to shake
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  Speaker 1: their twelve year old hips, and that's it. That's the
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  Speaker 1: end of the TikTok. That's the whole thing. They're not sexy,
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  Speaker 1: they're not provocative. They're little girls dancing around. They are
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  Speaker 1: usually a fleet of them. There's like one in front.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that would be the Beyonce, and then there's
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  Speaker 1: the backups. So I don't like that people suggest this
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  Speaker 1: little girl was doing anything wrong. I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: What about it, dan Ellis, Well, that's right, as you said, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: Nothing in the videos themselves were sexualized or crossed into
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  Speaker 1: the grounds of child pornography anything along those lines. But
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  Speaker 1: in our experience and my practice, we strictly represent victims
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  Speaker 1: of child sexually sexual abuse and harassment. And what we
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  Speaker 1: found in cases involving the Catholic Church Boy Scouts of
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  Speaker 1: America or preschools is that where children are, predators go.
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  Speaker 1: So parents need to be vigilant in monitoring what their
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  Speaker 1: children are doing on social media to protect them from predators.
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  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. So, Charlie lanks and from
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  Speaker 1: dailymail dot com, you're telling me she would have prank videos,
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  Speaker 1: which my son does all the time. He tries to
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  Speaker 1: video pranks on me, but typically on his father. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the dog Lucy, does you know skincare that's her thing
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  Speaker 1: or skin is flawless? I guess because of her skincare
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  Speaker 1: and dances things like that. But Charlie, how did that
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  Speaker 1: go to getting like two thousand dollars a yet? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the way that TikTok works is the more people who
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  Speaker 1: engage with your content, the more people they show it to.
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  Speaker 1: And it really is for some people just luck of
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  Speaker 1: the drawer. If one of the first videos that you
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  Speaker 1: post happens to get a lot of views, it means
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  Speaker 1: that the next videos that you start posting will get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of views, you know. And there's a for example,
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  Speaker 1: there's another teenage girl called Charlie de Melio who is
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  Speaker 1: the most followed TikTok creator out there. She's a sixteen
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  Speaker 1: year old girl from Connecticut who, much like Ava, was
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  Speaker 1: just posting innocent, funny videos from her home. Nothing sexual,
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  Speaker 1: nothing over the top, nothing particularly brilliant in terms of
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  Speaker 1: their creativity. It just so happens that the algorithm picked
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  Speaker 1: up on her videos as it did with avers. So
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  Speaker 1: how do you get the money? Do you get advertisers?
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  Speaker 1: So you can go through something that is called the
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  Speaker 1: TikTok Creator Fund. That is something that any TikTok user
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  Speaker 1: has the ability to join, and it means that TikTok
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  Speaker 1: will pay you money for the videos that you are posting. Additionally,
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  Speaker 1: and you gain enough followers, brands will start to approach
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  Speaker 1: you and ask you to feature products in your videos.
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  Speaker 1: They will ask you to talk about different you know,
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  Speaker 1: discount codes and things like that. And Eva had reached
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  Speaker 1: that level where she was considered an influencer who was
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  Speaker 1: popular enough that brands wanted her to start, you know,
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  Speaker 1: featuring their products in her videos. What kind of brands
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  Speaker 1: it can really be anything? Beauty brands are a huge,
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  Speaker 1: huge contempla say, Lucy, where did you find out about
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  Speaker 1: this new face cream? That must be where she's finding
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  Speaker 1: out about it. Yeah, I've looked at her videos. I
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  Speaker 1: love the one where she and her dad are doing
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  Speaker 1: some kind of a little dance and they're all really innocent.
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  Speaker 1: She's really really pretty. She's super cute. Everything about her.
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  Speaker 1: She's kind of like an all American looking girl. She's
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  Speaker 1: not some provocateur. But then suddenly it gets weird. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Inside Edition. This seems
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  Speaker 1: soared to fame, lip syncing and dancing on TikTok her
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  Speaker 1: upbeat message hey I love you. Ava Majury has one
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  Speaker 1: point two million followers. In our generation, everything nowadays is
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  Speaker 1: all about social media and having cloud for the numbers
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  Speaker 1: find your name. But her fame on social media turned
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  Speaker 1: into terror when she drew the attraction of an eighteen
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  Speaker 1: year old fan. And that's the point where it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of taking a dad turn. Just got creepy er
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  Speaker 1: and creepys time went on. He insult himselfies showing off
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  Speaker 1: your smile, thinking that this would take care of the
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  Speaker 1: problem and he would go away. I sold him to
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  Speaker 1: a three patres of me smiling. But within a week,
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  Speaker 1: she says, he started asking for more provocative picks, started
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  Speaker 1: asking the booty picks and pie picks. Ava quickly became concerned.
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  Speaker 1: Ava says she blocked him on social media when he
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  Speaker 1: started relentlessly badgering her to doctor Mindy Mechanic, Professor Psychology,
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  Speaker 1: California State University, Fullerton, Thank you for being with us,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Mendy. Doctor, even this team, girl knew something was
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  Speaker 1: horribly wrong when some guy she's never met starts asking
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  Speaker 1: for shots of her rear end and shots of her feet.
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  Speaker 1: Then she finds out he is somehow researching her online
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  Speaker 1: and finding out who her friends are and trying to
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  Speaker 1: get information about her. How would you classify that, Dodga Mechanic, Well,
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  Speaker 1: it definitely sounds like it has both an intrusive and
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  Speaker 1: obsessional quality to it that she was picking up on.
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  Speaker 1: So kudos to her for recognizing pretty quickly that this
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  Speaker 1: was escalating and that this individual was becoming obsessed with her,
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  Speaker 1: not just generally, but also seeking to move that obsession
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  Speaker 1: into some kind of day to day or in real
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  Speaker 1: life contact by se you know, her personal contact information?
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  Speaker 1: You know? How is it to Tanya Jordan's chief parent
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  Speaker 1: officer at Bark Bark Parental Controls, how did he reportedly
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  Speaker 1: go online and research ava to find out who her
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  Speaker 1: friends are? How do you do that? Oh gosh, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it is so easy to find people online these days,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why we have to stress to parents who
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  Speaker 1: are raising children that are younger than Ava to not
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  Speaker 1: share PII online. That's personally identifiable information. So our kids
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  Speaker 1: should not use their real names as their user names.
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  Speaker 1: They should not put their graduation year in their Instagram bio.
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  Speaker 1: They shouldn't take pictures in front of their house that
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  Speaker 1: show what the front of the house looks like. They
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't use Snapchat unless they're on ghost mode, or should
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  Speaker 1: you snapchat at all? But that's the episode that shows
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  Speaker 1: their location in real time. You know, it's so easy
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  Speaker 1: to join TikTok or any other social media platform, create
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  Speaker 1: a stake profile so that you look like one of
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  Speaker 1: these influencers peers, right. You just grab an image from
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  Speaker 1: the internet, you create some content, you steal content, You
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  Speaker 1: start sending friend requests to mutual friends, and once you
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  Speaker 1: have enough of those, she'll look at this profile and
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  Speaker 1: accept in coming messages from them. So it's a matter
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  Speaker 1: of friending Ava or someone that you want to find
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  Speaker 1: out about online, getting them to friend to you. Then
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of in their social media sphere. Then you
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  Speaker 1: begin friending their friends and suddenly you have access to them.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how it works? That's one way to go
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  Speaker 1: about it. Yes, you know, as these influencers rise, and
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  Speaker 1: which happens very quickly, people start writing about them, publishing
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  Speaker 1: content about them. They have stalkers that gained their own
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  Speaker 1: notoriety on these platforms, much like you know, celebrity health
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  Speaker 1: tours before the internet, where people could go see where
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  Speaker 1: celebrities live. That's kind of like what's happening but now online.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand how it turned so dark so quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Let me understand. Charlie liked to joining us with dailymail
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  Speaker 1: dot com. She's the editor at Female Charlie. She finds
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  Speaker 1: out that he has contacted her friends. Wow with friends
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  Speaker 1: like these, who needs enemies and is actually buying photos
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  Speaker 1: from them or getting photos of her from friends? Tell
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  Speaker 1: me about that. So she discovered that he was contacting friends,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, and that they were selling him photos
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  Speaker 1: of her that could not be found online, so private
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  Speaker 1: images that they had taken. Now, we do not believe
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  Speaker 1: that any of these images were in any way sexual
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  Speaker 1: in content. They were not explicit. However, he was so
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  Speaker 1: desperate for content that he was buying selfies photos of
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  Speaker 1: her that were kind of taken by her friends, candid images.
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  Speaker 1: She then decided to reach out to him personally in
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  Speaker 1: an attempt to regain some kind of control over the situation,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, and she offered to sell him images of
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  Speaker 1: herself personally so that he would stop contacting her friends
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  Speaker 1: and getting images of her in that way too, Judge
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  Speaker 1: and mindy mechanic professor's psychology, Is that kind of light
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  Speaker 1: negotiating with a terrorist? Yeah? It. One general rule of
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  Speaker 1: some is to not engage with the person who has
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  Speaker 1: started to do so, you know, if anything that might
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  Speaker 1: have been a miss step, and a very understandable miss step.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she she's a very young girl, and she's
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  Speaker 1: just trained to appropriately set a boundary. But with stalker's
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  Speaker 1: any little bit of attention, even if it's negative attention,
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  Speaker 1: can be interpreted as some kind of side that she
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  Speaker 1: wants to connect or engage. So no contact with a stalker.
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  Speaker 1: To Dan Ella's high profile lawyer joining us practicing New
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  Speaker 1: York and Florida, Dan, I've handled so many stalking cases,
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  Speaker 1: some of them relatively harmless, some of them taking a
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  Speaker 1: very very criminal twist, and the victim ends up dead
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  Speaker 1: or disfigured. Very often, stalking victims don't even realize they're
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  Speaker 1: a victim of crime, they're being stalked, and they try
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  Speaker 1: to settle it themselves, work it out. They don't understand
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  Speaker 1: that communicating with your stalker in any way is really
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  Speaker 1: pouring gas on the fire. I didn't get it either
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. But trying to reason with a stalker
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  Speaker 1: is impossible because they're already in a very irrational and
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  Speaker 1: illogical place, and they'll probably think your attempt to get
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  Speaker 1: them to go away some sort of attention. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely right. And what family should know is there are
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  Speaker 1: many legal options available to victims of stalking. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: it's a crime to stop someone, and there are so
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  Speaker 1: if someone is a victim of stalking, they should contact
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  Speaker 1: the police or a lawyer. They might even know there
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  Speaker 1: are stalking victims, though Dan they might just think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's a pest. That's right. No, that's absolutely right. And
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  Speaker 1: there is a gray area between, you know, someone who's
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  Speaker 1: persistent and someone who's stalking. But that's why families and
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  Speaker 1: parents especially need to be actively involved in who their
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  Speaker 1: children are communicating with on social media. And in the
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  Speaker 1: state of Florida, as in many states, there are civil
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: options available or victims of stalking. Example, in Florida, a
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: victim of stalking can file a petition for an injunction
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: for protection against talking, which would be you know, in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: order from a judge that would prohibit contact with the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: victim of stalking and and prohibit them, prohibit that person
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: from contacting the victim through emails, through telephone and in person,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and order them to stay away and through friends. You're
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: absolutely right, Dan Ellis. You know, Joe Scott Morgan and
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Professor forensics, it's not just about blood evidence and mitochondrial
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: DNA and fingerprints. Let's talk about the forensics in this case.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It's computer forensics. It's social media forensics. We don't it's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: not just computer forensics anymore. It is social media forensics.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So in my boat, don't be a victim. I warn
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: people how to avoid anybody online finding you. Joe Scott
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Morgan explain how dangerous geotags can be and positioning yourself
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in the wrong spot in a photo. Yeah, when you
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: have somebody that has this kind of well, mental illness, psychopathology,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: don't start that is your way way out of your lane.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Professor forensics. Don't start about mental illness with me, because
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: this guy ain't Melanie mentally ill with geotags you're putting
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you're putting blood in the water. You're calling sharks at
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: this point in time. And that's why it's so very dangerous, Nancy,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: because these people will go to great links. As we
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: see demonstrated in this particular case, you have specific markers
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and identifiers that can draw these individuals in because you know, look,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: this guy was reaching out to her friends. He's seeking
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: information at this point in time. He's actually playing the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: role of a junior detective, if you will. He's trying
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to track down, narrow down the scope. Hey, think about it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Think about it, Joe Scott and Charlie Thanks, and him
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: sitting up at night looking at her TikTok's over and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: over and over, hunched over his computer screen. He's a freak.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: There's really no other way to put it. And he's dangerous,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott. So how did he manage to find out
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: where she lived? Well, it's a process of elimination, Nancy.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: If you're if you're taking these specific identifiers, it's kind
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of easy to narrow narrow things down. I'll give you
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: an example. I was looking at an image of their
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: home just a moment where I was and you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: there's palm trees in the front yard. They're supported. You've
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: got you've got a house that's obviously newly moved into,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: is freshly landscaped. You've got these palm trees that are
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: out there. Well, I've already automatically near the stand, he
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: says supported. There's palm trees around the house and they're
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: being supported by boards until they take root and start
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: growing on their own, which is nearly landscape is you
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: can obviously see it's a subdivision because you can see
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a house similar to the right style to the right
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and the left brand new. You are brand new everything.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It screams, I'm new, go ahead. Yeah, And I'd deduced that.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I'd literally deduce that within thirty seconds. Now, obviously I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: had the framework, you know, but if I was just
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: looking at that image, you know, one of the first
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: things I would say is tropical environment that they're in,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: this environment that could support that kind of vegetation. If
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you've got somebody that is really on to the scent,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: if you will, let's you know, take that example where
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: this individual is being a junior detective on their own,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: then that's only the beginning, you're pulling that string on
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the sweater that they tell you never to pull, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the whole thing's going to come unraveled. And for her
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and for this family, that's absolutely what happened. This thing
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: turned into a damn nightmare. Needs You can also look
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Trollie Lankston, for instance, the time of the posting exactly.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: If you look at it consistently and you see her
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: posting in daylight hours and you're get the post in
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: daylight hours, that tells you whether it's California or whether
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: it's Florida, and you start narrowing it down, narrowing it down.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: If there's a picture of her in front of her
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: middle school, you can narrow it down even if the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: name's not there, Charlie. So Charlie, take a listen now
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to our cut sixty one WBBHTV. Just before four thirty
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: early Saturday morning, residents inside this gated community were fast asleep. Well,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: deputy say, that's when one man thought it'd be a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: good time to put on a Walmart employee vest, put
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: in earplugs and safety goggles and shoot through someone's front door.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Moments later, he was laying face down on the ground lifeless,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: one bullet in his lower back, the other launched into
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: his lower stomach, a shotgun in the bushes next to him,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and a gunbag left on the sidewalk. Tonight, the Collier
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office tells us it was the homeowner who
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: fired those bullets at him. The resident, sharing with invest
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: seas he came outside with a shotgun after the intruder's
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: bullet flew through the door, missing his family inside the home.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: The resident storming over to the suspect. Debby say, then
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it quickly became a fight to stay alive, the homeowner
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: firing his gun at the intruder, who dropped the ground.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: He was transportred to the hospital. Leader dying now two
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: days Leader CCSO says no one has been arrested. Charlie
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Langston joining us from dailymail dot com. What happened well,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Ava Stalker arrived at the house very early in the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: morning and effectively tried to blow open the front door
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: with a handgun. He then hid while Ava and her
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: two brothers ran to their parents room. Her dad grabbed
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: his gun. Her dad is a retired cop, so he
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing when it comes to using a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: weapon and her dad then went outside to find out
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: what had happened, came across Justin and shot him dead.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And all of this happened within a matter of minutes.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Time stories with meit'sy Grace. Why was he there, Charlie?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Did he want to take her, kidnap her, rape her,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: chill her? Why was he there? He had started reaching
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: out to Ava after she sold him those few photos.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: He began reaching out to Ava asking for much more
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: explicit content. We understand that he got very angry when
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: she said no and blocked him on all of her
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: social media accounts. He then obtained her phone number after
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: buying it from her friends. When he continued to harass
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: her and continued to ask for explicit content, her dad
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: stepped in and messaged and reminded him that Ava is
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a minor, and he became very angry. And we believe
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that he effectively went to the house in order to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: express this anger. Now, whether or not he meant to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: kill Ava, whether or not he meant to threaten the family,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that is not exactly known. Good Lord Woman, he broke
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: in the door with a handgun. Explain what that means.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan has anybody's seen Arnold Schwartzenegger movies or
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: let's see Bruce Wills, I mean basically any movie. Or
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they blow up the handle to the door with a gun. Yeah. Yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And this is kind of telling Nancy this goes to preparation. Remember, he's,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you know, put on this gear. He's got a bag
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: with him of supplies free wait gear. Let's break it down, Charlie,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Charlie Layson with me from Daily Mail. First of all,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: where did he come from? He flew to Florida in
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: order to, you know, exact this revenge on av and
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: her family. See from Maryland. He's from Maryland. He flew
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: from Maryland to Florida in order to confront and you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: potentially kill Aver and her family. And he had on
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: safety goggles, a Walmart employee vest ear plugs and was
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: basically army crawling along and shoots the door open. Do
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I have that right, Charlie Linkston, you do, yes, yeah, Nancy,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I go say yeah, yeah. This guy showed up. It
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't a handgun he showed up with. He showed up
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: with a shotgun. And from a forensic standpoint, well from
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a law enforcement standpoint, this guy was prepped because you
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: know what we use. What law enforcement uses shotguns for
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: when they're going in to serve warrants. It's called a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: breaching weapon, which means that they can, like you stated,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: they could blow the handles off, they can blow the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: hinges off to gain access, and a shotgun is something
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that you're going to go into and just reek bloody
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: havoc with, you know, when they enter into so I
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: have no doubt in my mind that the intent was
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: there to rek have it and to kill. He shows
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: up completely prepped in this particular case. I can tell
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you this, there's one thing that they're not going to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: feature on their TikTok account, and that's the holes blown
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: through the door that this guy created. This is an
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: incredible level of violence here, and I think that it's
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: certainly a warning. Take a listen to our cut sixty
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: six Our Friends Inside edition. He discovered where she lived.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: To her horror, she says, showed up at our house
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: in Florida with a shotgun at four thirty in the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: morning and fired through her front door. We got parents.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Mom kim Is wanted tears thinking about that awful morning.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't think we were making it out of it
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: after seeing that bliss. The whole thing's just a nightmare.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Ava's father, Rob MAJORI is a retired police lieutenant from
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: New Jersey. He sprang into action, threw the door as
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: quickly as I could, and gave Chase, screaming out him
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: as he ran away with the gun at hand. He
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: ran back to his home and the shooter returned to throw.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: At that point he shot the assailant did when the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's department called most likely a stalker. And I was
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: going round and round with Charlie Lankston, our friend from
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: dailymail dot Com, talking about why he was there. Well,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you know what, his vest contained multiple shells, and as
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott and Jackie every yere frantically correcting me, it
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't a handgun, it was a shotgun. That's a whole
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: other animal. Charlie Lankston, Why do you think he was there, Charlie,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I certainly can't put myself into
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the mind of a killer or a stalker. I'm fortunate
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: enough to say, however, I think, honestly, at the age
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: of eighteen, I think he probably just wanted to go
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and unleash this anger, whether or not he purposely, in
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: his mind went with the intention of murdering them. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't say. I think he certainly wanted to get out
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: whatever pain and anger and frustration he was feeling. Why
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: don't you just go see a therapist. Whinally, go talk
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to doctor Mindy B. Mechanic from California State University in Fullerton.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Why not you know it was something much more than that.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Dan Ellison, doctor Mindy Mechanic,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Dan Ellis. The law says you can display intent. It
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: can either be a specific intent or we can assume
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: intent by your actions. And I love to tell a jury,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: what about this. If I hold up a piece of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: fine china, the kind you can see your hand through
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: in a ing it to the cement floor, the law
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: will presume I intend the natural consequence of my act,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I meant to break it. He shows up with a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: shot gun and blast the door in. I think he
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: meant to either rape or kill. Yeah, there's no question, Nancy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's proven by the fact he shot through
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the door that what his intentions are, and the family
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: could rightfully presume that they meant that he meant to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: gild thet I just can't believe people are suggesting that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: this dad be prosecuted. That is insane, doctor meaning mechanic.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: How often do we see stalkers suddenly manifest their deepest,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: darkest thoughts through violent behavior. Yeah, so the upside of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: this is that we tend to hear in the media
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: when there's been a case of serious or lethal violence.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: But but I'll share with you the results of what's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: called a meta analysis, and a meta analysis is a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: study of studies. So these researchers compiled twenty five different
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: research articles or data sets looking at the risk of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: violence in the context of stalking, and they found thirty
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: five percent of the cases involved violence by stalkers and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: almost twenty nine percent of the stalking victims of sustained
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to injury. Another researcher looked at homicide. They found that
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: in the context of stalking, homicide rate is about two percent.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: You know, But the thing that's been going through my
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: mind that we haven't really talked about is the notion
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of gender based violence and that this is a form
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of gender based violence, and that these types of violence
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: tend to be committed by men or boys against girls
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: or women. And this sounds to me like an example
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of if I can't have you, nobody will. And a
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: boundary was set by Eva and her father and this
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: individual doesn't except that a boundary was set and it
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: made him rageful, and he decides that he's going to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: engage in some sort of violence. We don't know towards
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: home or exactly what, but it sounds like he was
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: very prepared and had taken steps to move from some
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: fantasy or fixation to action and violence. Titania, Jordan cpo
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: at Bart Parental controls Way and Titania. You know what
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: parents don't realize is that their biggest fears in their
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: mind are happening to their children outside the home. They're
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: so worried about children getting kidnapped and worse right, but
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: our children now are being violated, abused, groomed within their bedrooms,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: within the walls of the same house that you're in.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And you're their parent, and it is your job to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: make sure their safe, not only in real life, but
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: also in their digital lives, where they're spending upwards of
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: eight hours a day online connected to problematic content from
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: problematic people. Than what we are discussing today is the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: result of that happening online, where online dangers become real
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: life dangers, and seemingly this little girl did everything right.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: She tried to block him, she had her father contact
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: him to ward him off. It didn't work. Take a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: listen to our cut a three our friends at GMA.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: She's a fifteen year old social media sensation, Ava majury
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: amassing a loyal following on TikTok. But now the Majuri
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: family opening up about the danger that came with their
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: daughter's online fame. After Ava's father shot and killed the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: man they say showed up to their front door with
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a gun last July alone came to kill me. I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: was in fear for my family's life and I had
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: to do what I had to do to protect my family,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and I made sure of it. Avi says, what started
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: as a pandemic hobby when she was just thirteen years
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: old turned into a lucrative business, her TikTok account garnering
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: one point two million followers. This is such a dream
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: for multiple kids. Everyone in our generation now wants cloud
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: or wants numbers behind their name, and we realize that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: we were giving the opportunity to do it freely without
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: having to post provocative stuff. How do you follow his
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: trail just got Morgan? How do you build a forensic
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: case and figure out how this happened? Well, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, going back to this digital print
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that we were talking about, where he's tracking her through
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: all of these social media platforms and you know, going
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: out and kind of spider webbing out to all of
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: her friends. I think that that's one point along the way.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: But one interesting point along here that I kind of found,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you know, that we would follow from an investigative standpoint
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: leading up to this event was the fact that you're
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: tracking this guy. It's literally flying down from the southeast, Nancy,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I think from Maryland, if I'm not mistaken, that was
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a point of origin. So you know, you begin to
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: think about purchasing tickets and all of this sort of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: thing in the communications that would have to take place
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: relative to that. And also keep in mind, this guy
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have flown, He would not have flown with a weapon.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So the next stop along the way is that he's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: rolled into And I find it interesting that you mentioned Walmart.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: He would have rolled into Walmart, perhaps picked up a vest,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: maybe he brought that with him. Hill I don't know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: but I do know this. He didn't bring a shotgun
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: onto the plane, so he picked it up somewhere along
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the way, and there will be paperwork relative to that.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't just walk in and purchase a handgun.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: There's kind of a delayed moment, you know, they give
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a pause before you can purchase a handgun. You can
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: walk in a lot of places, and you can buy
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a shotgun, and you can certainly buy ammunition and walk
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: out of the door with it. So we've got breadcrumbs here, Nancy. Well,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: that's one way you're putting it. This is not the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: first time a staring and Van has claimed live. It
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: really all came to the forefront of the public consciousness.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the name Rebecca Schaeffer take listen to
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: our friends at ABC News cut twenty three. She was
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the fresh faced girl next door who skyrocketed to fame
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: on the hit show My Sister Sam in the nineteen eighties.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So good, I must be dreaming. Rebecca Schaeffer down to earth,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Hollywood star who answered her own fan man a letter
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: from I went, wait a minute, you're answering them back.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You can't do that, And she said, oh, no, but
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I love it. They want to be friends, and I went, wait,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: they're not, you're friends. One of those fans Robert Bardow,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a mentally ill young man from Arizona. Bardo grew obsessed
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: showing up at her studio, then becoming enraged when he
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: saw a Schaeffer acting in a love scene. It was
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the stalking case that turned deadly and sparked new laws
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: in the US. All those rageful feelings, how dare she
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that gets converted into a plan of cold blooded revenge.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: One day, twenty one year old Schaeffer was expecting a
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: knock at the door the script for Godfather Part three. Instead,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: it was Robert Bardo waiting at her door and take
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: listen to cut twenty six your biggest fan from ABC.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: So Bardo shows up early in the morning, he rings
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the buzzer. She was expecting a script to be delivered.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Rebecca is awaiting a copy of the script of Godfather
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Part three in anticipation of her meeting later that day.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: The intercom intern building was broken. Instead of being able
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to talk to somebody over the intercom, she had to
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: come down and open the door. And Rebecca's there was
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the kind of person who she wouldn't think twice about
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: going out. She didn't think there were people out there
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: who would want to harm her. And when she came
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: down and opened the door, it was Robert John Barto.
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  Speaker 1: To his surprise, she answered the door. He didn't think
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  Speaker 1: he was going to have that kind of access when
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  Speaker 1: he came here with a purpose. But until you actually
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  Speaker 1: see this person who's been on this pedestal, then it
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  Speaker 1: becomes very real. It's you see a freaky mix being
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  Speaker 1: star struck and stalking. Surprised to find out that she
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  Speaker 1: quote wasn't dressed glamorously, she was a regular person, and
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  Speaker 1: he was talking to her. It was beyond anything he
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  Speaker 1: could have imagined. And then he murdered her. He murdered her.
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  Speaker 1: How did he find her place? Through the d M
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Motor Vehicles? Uh, straight out to Dan Ellis,
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  Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us from that jurisdiction in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: How does that work? How did he find out Rebecca's
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  Speaker 1: addressed to the DMV higher a private investigator and they
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  Speaker 1: just asked and the DMB gave him that information. And
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  Speaker 1: one of the outcomes of this tragic case where laws
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  Speaker 1: put in place so that DMB can no further share
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  Speaker 1: that information with individuals. So what's happening now amidst calls
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  Speaker 1: for the father to be prosecuted, which is completely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut a five GMA. Rob
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  Speaker 1: mcdury says he grabbed his own gun and shot the intruder.
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  Speaker 1: According to the police report, the shooters found unresponsive wearing
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  Speaker 1: a vest containing multiple shotgun shells. Mcdury says authorities have
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  Speaker 1: told him that he's protected by Florida's standard ground law
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  Speaker 1: and he's not been charged with any crime. There was
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  Speaker 1: no second guessing. There was no time to rethink my actions.
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  Speaker 1: I reacted, and I reacted perfectly as best as I
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  Speaker 1: could under under the durest in the extreme condition that
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  Speaker 1: I was put under. Since the shooting. Ava's now homeschooled
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  Speaker 1: and still remains on social media, a decision her parents support.
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  Speaker 1: She worked really hard at getting the crowd that she has.
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  Speaker 1: As bad as this situation is where TikTok, it's actually
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  Speaker 1: a really great forum. It was a very positive, healthy
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  Speaker 1: environment for her to be in, especially after what we
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  Speaker 1: just went through. And I asked Ava why she even
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  Speaker 1: wants to stay on social media despite everything that's happened.
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  Speaker 1: She says she loves the space, what she can do there,
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  Speaker 1: and she hopes to funder college education with it one day.
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  Speaker 1: And bottom line, Ava says she doesn't want to let
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  Speaker 1: one bad person take away something she loves. We are
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  Speaker 1: on high alert to protect our children. Nancy Grace Crumbs
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  Speaker 1: story signing off Get My Friend