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The Study of the Book of Colossians Part 15 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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back to the Simply Christ podcast, hosted by.
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Leon Martin, along with Aaron Keaton, Melvin Martin, Andrew
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Schrock and Dan Blatz. Let's get right to it all
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righty. We are back at you on a Monday
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night with our Bible study. Looking forward to going through
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the Colossians 3 latter part like we do every Monday night.
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So welcome aboard and thanks for Andrew and Melvin to be here.
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I don't know if Aaron might hop on.
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Dan said he was out for tonight, so might be the three of us.
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We're going to kick off in verse 16.
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Andrew, if you didn't know, that's where we're going to be
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starting. But before we do that, I'll let
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Andrew kick us off with a word of prayer.
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Let's pray God, we thank you for your word, Thank you for all the
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information that we can gather to to prepare us to meet you in
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eternity. Pray for an honest and a good,
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wise, truthful Bible study in Jesus name, Amen.
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That's what we want. That's what we need is the
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truth, isn't it, folks? Yes, Sir, I know last week we
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kind of started talking a little bit about business and business
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opportunities. I was talking with a guy there
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at your camp, Andrew, a young guy that's an entrepreneur,
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started a business in Wisconsin. And I, I was just thinking about
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our conversation last week. I don't know if you went back
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and listened to that one, Andrew, you were known.
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But Dad and Melvin and I were talking about, you know, how,
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you know, how easy it is or, or how, yeah, we're like, we have
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no excuse not to be a successful business person in the United
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States. There's a lot of business out
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there. And so but I got to thinking
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about, you know, young people that are looking at getting a
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job or whatever and what it is that, you know, like a business
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owner would look for in a young man.
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And I don't know if any of you really, you know, hire I, I
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know, Mel, when you're, you just work with your kids for the most
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part, but you had employees at one time and I got plenty of
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them. And, and what are the, the
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couple of things that kind of come to mind when I'm looking
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around to see, or if I'm considering somebody to see
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whether I would hire them? Because quite honestly, when I
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was talking with another auctioneer on Saturday, we had a
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fundraiser auctioneer in Wisconsin.
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And I said after I became a business owner, by perspective
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of what I would hire changed when I became a business owner
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from being a, you know, like a contract auctioneer that other
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people would hire. And, and really it is, you know,
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so instead of like as a contractor, I wanted to sound
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good, but as a business owner, I want to hire somebody that does
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the job. I don't really care what they
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sound like. Can they do the job without
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being, you know, like micromanaged?
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Can they take a hold and take the take the reins and go do
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something, you know, as as a good employee would?
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Do you have any feedback or any anyone of you on that at all?
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Well, OK, go ahead and. I will just from my experience
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of hiring people, there's nothing more pleasurable than
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someone that can think for themselves and be confident in
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figuring out the stuff on their own while having good balance of
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asking how I want it done or looking at how I'm doing it and
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making sure they do it. But they look all of the, the
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little tricks, sort of the ways I make it happen quickly and
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they actually take pleasure in, in learning and get, get really
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good at it. Instead of just being there to
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try to get by and then try to take shortcuts.
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I actually take pride in what they're doing and treating it
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like an opportunity to see how efficient they can get it.
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What we're doing with the mindset that I can do this
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myself one day, one day I can have my own business.
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Those are the best people to hire.
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My opinion. They're they're not just there
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for a job, they're there to see how they can grow and possibly
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do their own thing. Those are the people that will
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have to sit some of the same pride you got in what you're
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doing. And they're going to be really
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efficient. You know, they're not going to
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let the machine run for no reason and they're not going to
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do a bunch of dumb lousy stuff that kills a bunch of diesel and
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time and whatnot. So.
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Yeah, that that's actually really good, Andrew, because
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I've talked about it before that, you know, if you really
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boil it down, you know, I'm going to be nice to people that
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want them to have a good job and a, you know, a good leader and
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stuff like that. But when you really boil it
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down, it comes down to what you can actually pay for is
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efficiency and effectiveness. I mean, without that, you're not
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going to be competitive, Melvin. Yeah, I think the mentality in
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the workforce right now or not even just right now has been for
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a long time is, is that everybody wants to work for
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Friday like they can't wait till Friday, right.
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And so I don't like that mentality.
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Like I want someone to be able to, like you said, able to grab
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a hold, but also be humble enough to want to do it the way
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I want it done as the boss or as our company wants it done and
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not maybe the way they think it should be done.
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You know, maybe their ideas are good sometimes, but the reality
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is if you're working for a company, you need to do the
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service or whatever you're doing the way they want it done.
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But because the mentality is, is that hopefully someday I can be
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my own business owner. That should be the goal, not
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just trying to get through the week or get through the year or
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make money. It's more than just money,
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right? And so for me, I worked a lot of
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different jobs when I was a teenager.
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I was just kind of trying to figure out what I liked or what
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I enjoyed or what what I could do that I didn't have that
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mentality of working to a Friday.
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Like in other words, if you do something that you love, then
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it's not really work actually. And you don't have to have that
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mentality that I can't wait till it's Friday, right?
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And so anyway, that's, that's what I like to see in people
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that I want to put on my team. You.
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Know it's actually a good topic. It's actually a good topic
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because a lot of young people are really struggling trying to
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get on their feet and it's just seems it's actually really
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difficult right now. Everything's expensive, rent,
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buying a house is just about out of reach.
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So if I would give us some young people, my advice would be work,
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work for people that do the trades that you want to learn
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how to get good at. And I think some of the best
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trades that you should learn, regardless if that's what you
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want to do for your life, is construction.
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Because the fastest way for you to own a home that you like is
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to buy one that is junk. You can live in the one corner
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of it. Now you're providing for your
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family and you're working at a job.
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Let's say you're working with a construction crew, so you kind
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of can learn the construction trade.
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You fix up that house, you sell it.
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Now you have power, you have a junk, you have a lump sum of
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money that you can do something with.
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The bank wants a chunk and they got a down payment.
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You got whatever. Or you can go out and buy your
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next house without a loan. You know you can.
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You can really jump a bunch of hoops if you play it smart, but
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if you're just going to try to pay for a house by working of
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eight to five job, you're going to struggle your whole life.
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Yeah, yeah. That that's that's good stuff
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and I'm reading I just started reading a book or listening to a
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book by John Bevere. It's called you are called when
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somebody recommended it to me. I don't know who it was anymore,
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but it, it makes the point that they talks about how that you
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should view your job in the same light as your ministry.
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And, and he he starts the book. It's really, I think I think you
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should listen to it or read it. It's a really good.
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He makes the point that if there's a person that wants to
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build a city, you know, a functioning city, he needs all
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kinds of workers. You know, he needs some that run
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the churches, yes, but he needs some that build the buildings.
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He needs some that pave the streets to the wiring
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electricity. He needs the ones that govern
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it, the ones that police it. And they're all working for him
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when he's building this city. And that just gave me a little
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bit different angle of when you're framing a house, it's,
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it's maybe as much God's work doing that.
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That's the point that he's making anyway, as it is to be
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preaching the gospel in a different way.
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You know, I wouldn't. The one doesn't replace the
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other, but they're both necessary and so I will read a
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verse tonight then I'll just kick it off with that.
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I mean it's down the road a little ways here, but it says
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whatever you do in Word or deed to the own the name of the Lord
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Jesus. You know that that's really what
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it what it is. So I would agree with both of
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you that haven't having an ownership mentality.
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That's that's the phrase that you hear in in leadership
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seminars all the time regarding employees.
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Somebody that that is in it for the long haul and and look at
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looking to please you. Of course, that would be the
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perfect employee. But you know, hard working and
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whatever you know and knowledge. I I don't, I wouldn't pay extra
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for somebody that's, that's really knowledgeable in the
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trade as much as I would for someone that's teachable.
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There you go. Yeah, I was, I was just talking
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with with a friend of mine and they had a young kid start
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working there, 16 years old, never had a job, you know, just
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out of school or maybe it's 15, I don't know, just out of
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school. And good kid, good Christian
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kid, just never worked hard. And yeah, he struggles a little
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bit, but he's willing to learn. And he said it's it's fun
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watching that guy, you know, take a hold and grow into
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something. So good stuff.
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All right, hey, let's kick off Colossians 3.
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Verse 16 says let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in
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all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in
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psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in
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your hearts to the Lord. And this comes right on the the
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heels we closed last week with verse 15, of course, which says,
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and let the peace of God rule in your hearts to the which you are
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called in one body and be thankful.
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And I really appreciated what Dan said about the word.
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Let you know about the the ship that was tied fast to the store
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was blown against it's an axe that you can read the whole
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thing there if you're interested.
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But they cut the ropes and they let the ship drive with the wind
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that was already pushing it. And that's kind of here when it
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says let the peace of God rule in your hearts or let the word
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of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom.
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It is a force that is already there in in a believer and it's
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not for us to force it, but to just to let it do its work in US
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that that's it's already that powers already within us.
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But Andrew, any thoughts of 16 or 15?
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Yeah, I think he's still working off of chapter 1 where he says
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that wants us to grow in wisdom and knowledge and understanding
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so that we can walk worthy of the Lord.
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And these are still, he's still piling on the weapons that we
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have and the information with from the knowledge.
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It's interesting that he has that he's telling us what to do.
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So it's not too many Christians, including myself, we're waiting
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for God to take over our life. And I just want God to rule me.
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I just want God to tell me what to do and when to go and tell me
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to do this and that even a good father wouldn't want children
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like that. And so it's interesting and it
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tells us how what to do, like exercise like.
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So it's it's not to be thankful and joyful and to prepare one
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another like he says in verse 14, and to forgive 1 of people
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that you've been forgiven and all that.
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That's something that takes a little bit of your mind
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exercising and remembering it. Yeah, you intentionally remember
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these things and you practice it and you walk it out.
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We just went through chapter 13 at First Corinthians at Church
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Sunday and that is a powerful, powerful book about love.
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And he's saying you can feed the poor.
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You can feed that you can give your life to be burnt at the
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stake for what you think is right.
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You can you can have faith, faith that will remove a
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mountain. But if you don't understand how
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to walk in the love of Christ, he's not really impressed.
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Like you're you're a symbol that represents something, but you're
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not it. You don't make any.
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When I hit the the string on the drum, it doesn't make even a
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sound. It's just dead.
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And so I think that's a lot what he's saying here.
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Live in the love of Christ and operate in it and be thankful.
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And what was it again? And let that word dwell in US
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richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another,
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psalms and hymns. It's something that we can be
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proactive with and it makes a difference if we get LAX and we
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don't, you know, we don't have the word in our minds.
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I'll tell you what, a lot of other stuff will come in really
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quickly that will take you down a negative road.
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And it's part of the Christian life is to let that word of God
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dwell in US. Richland I I I need to hear that
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so. Yeah, that's exactly right.
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It's it does something when it dwells in there.
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Yeah, that's that's so good, Andrew.
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I had to think when you were sharing that, that you know,
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when, when I am teaching my boys or even, you know, someone
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that's working for me, but mainly my boys to be a
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Carpenter, like I'm showing them what, what a Carpenter does, you
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know, like how a Carpenter does things right.
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And, and that's kind of what he's I really like how you
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pointed it out. That's what he's showing us
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here. You know, how the new man, what
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the new man looks like and how he acts right.
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And so because God doesn't have to be telling us every move to
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make it's just that simple, right?
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I mean, that would be that wouldn't be right.
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It would he wants us to be able to do things on her own and to
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live according to the his word on her own.
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I like what it says there. Let the word of Christ dwell in
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you richly in all wisdom because a lot of people read this verse
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and I've read it in the past like this as well.
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They like read this, you know, that teaching one another,
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monitoring one another in Psalms.
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And they're like, this is, you know, this is something that we
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need to be doing. I we, I need to do this.
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Well, yeah, it is saying that this is what it looks like when
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the when the word of Christ dwells in you.
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But let let it dwell in you. Like in other words, if you're
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trying to manufacture it. I think that so many times
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that's what happens when we go through these verses like this,
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when like you pointed out, Lian, just let the word of Christ
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dwell in you. It's already there.
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Christ already has provided that for us and we just need to let
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it dwell in US. And then out of that, I like
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what it said earlier about that. Above all these things in verse
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14 put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness that like
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you were pointed out, Andrew, that love is actually the love
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that we show to one another in the body of Christ in Christ is
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actually what bonds is a bond of perfectness because it is
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Christ, but it needs to be the focus.
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The Christ needs to be the focus and not that we're trying to
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love one another so that we are bond in perfectness, but that in
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Christ in us, we love one another and that makes us bond
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in perfectness. So anyway, this is very good.
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It's just a lot of rich teaching in here showing us how to how to
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live in the new Manda. Yeah, I, I like that where it
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says dwell with you richly and all wisdom.
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I think I would venture to say that that that word of Christ
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dwelling in you comes comes in the package of wisdom.
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Actually. I mean, you can, you could, you
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could know the word of God and it's still ineffective in your
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life. But once he's talking, if, if
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the, if the word of Christ dwells in you richly and it
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dwells in you because of the wisdom that God gave you, it's
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going to be different. I think in my own life, I
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actually, I actually saw that actually play out.
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I didn't just, you know, one day asked for wisdom and, and was a
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millionaire the next day. That's not how it works.
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But we, we started praying me and my wife specifically for
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wisdom and something changed. We started making different
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choices in our life. I guess I would say, you know
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what, it wasn't because I got smart.
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It was because, you know, God actually gave us wisdom to
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discern some things that we weren't previously would have
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deserved. And so it actually allowed us to
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dwell richly in Christ. I mean, I just, it is such a
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comfortable place to be knowing that God is going to lead us.
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He's going to guide us. He's never let going to let us
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know, you know, to our own destruction.
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But then he goes on talking about teaching and admonishing
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one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs.
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I just wonder, when was the last time that you saw that played
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out? Huh.
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I don't, I don't, I don't know if I did actually in that way.
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I mean, I've, I've been admonished and I've been taught,
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but you know, in, in songs and hymns and spiritual songs, I
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guess, you know, we get some of that on a Sunday morning when we
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sing it. And I definitely feel it and
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love it. But I just, I just think that's
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an interesting way to put it. And then Andrew really, really
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put the cap on there With grace in your hearts to the Lord.
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If it's if it's not with grace, it's that tingling symbol.
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Just make a noise. You're just, you're just playing
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the game if it's not with grace. Right.
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Amen. Yep.
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Good stuff. 17 And whatsoever you do in Word or deed, do it
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all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and
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the Father by him. I know I kind of bounced off of
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that one to get started a little bit, Andrew, but do you have any
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more thoughts on that one? Yeah, similar to what I pointed
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out Sunday about love, I've been kind of on this train of
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thought, if we so a lot of people want to know, how do you
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have a fellowship that works? How do you have people coming
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together? And you can be peacefully among
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each other and you can be admonished among each other.
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You can submit to each other. You can enjoy your fellowship.
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You can have good marriages, and you can have a really good
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church body of Christ coming together in a very positive way.
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And I found the solution. I know how it works.
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If you do live, if you try to live according to God's plan
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100% and you were able to do it 2%, it's going to work.
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That's how efficient God's plan is in my mind.
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If we would practice God's love, like you said, like he says
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here, the whole thing, we wouldn't have any church
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problems. That's the solution I.
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Agree. If and, we would actually live
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according to the new man. See, here he tells us about
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love, that Melvin pointed it out and in chapter 13 and 1st
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Corinthians, just love never seeks her own.
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It's always kind, every time. It's always kind and it never is
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puffed up, never vaunts itself. Even if it's doing a really good
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job, it doesn't try to make it sure people see it.
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That is doing a great job. So extremely humble.
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Nobody is trying to be significant.
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Everybody is just loving and enjoying the love of God and no
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agendas except glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ.
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And I'm telling you what Paul's telling us this here, everything
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you do have that love mindset and grace and man, you can have
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some good fellowship because nobody's there.
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If there's nobody there operating outside of the
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character of love, then it's just peaceful.
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You can even have disagreements and different views about
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whatever, but love allows that and grace to still for you to be
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1. And it's the answer to church.
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It is the answer. It's to let the love of Christ
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dwell in US richly in the word of God and do everything in the
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name of the Lord. If we do that, that's the best
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life we can have in this before we go and meet him in the air
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like. Oh yeah.
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What a what advice. Like everything you do,
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everything you do, think of that.
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Even church meeting, even brothers meeting.
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Do that in the name of the Lord and you won't have to go home
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fighting and angry at your brother.
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And he says wisdom and he puts the word wisdom in there.
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You see, when there's church fightings, a lot of times it's
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there's some really idiots operating in the show.
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You have to have a lot of lack of wisdom to be fighting and
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having a church split over stupidest things like whether
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there should be Aaron attire or not.
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You know, like that it just not wisdom.
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I mean, if you look at the history of our ancestors, the
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way we split churches for the reasons, it's absolutely
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ridiculous and the stuff we fight about.
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I mean, my wife talks about churches in the Baptist circles
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fighting and having big quarrels about the color of a carpet.
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So wisdom is. Key, I think it is, I think, I
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think wisdom is kind of the I mean, yeah, love.
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Actually. What's that?
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Chapter 13 of First Corinthians says charity is above faith and
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hope. Yeah.
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Well, and we just in last week we read and above all these
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things put on charity. So love.
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But I don't think that we can practice that kind of love
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without wisdom. I don't think we have it in US.
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Yeah, I. Think it needs to be a mix of of
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that love in US acted out with godly wisdom.
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Otherwise you you aren't able to play it, play it out the way
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that it should be played out. And and many times we still come
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short melon. Yeah, I think you, you can't
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have love without wisdom. Like I think that comes as a
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package, right? I think So what if when we ask
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for wisdom from God, when we do that right, what are we thinking
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in our minds? We think that he's going to
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reveal great things to us, right?
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We're going to have knowledge of of scripture maybe, or I don't
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know what it is that what it could be.
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And sometimes he does. But what if when we ask for
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wisdom, he wants us to love our brother more or he wants us to
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work, you know, do these things like he's pointing out here that
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we should esteem one another. What is that's what wisdom
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actually is encompassed in wisdom, right?
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We think of these great things and to me, Love Actually
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according to God is a great thing, right?
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It obviously is because it's mentioned many times in the
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scripture. So that that's that is really
25:40
good. And I so the biggest thing that
25:44
that I see in this portion of Scripture that really jumps out
25:47
to me is whatsoever ye do in Word or deed, whatsoever ye do
25:52
there, it's not even specifically saying a certain
25:54
thing here. Whatever you do, whatever that
25:57
is, whatever that looks like, do it all in the name of the Lord
26:02
Jesus. Now, this is another thing that
26:04
kind of jumped out to me, who is the focus here?
26:08
It is the Lord Jesus. Look what he says you all in the
26:11
name of the Lord Jesus and giving thanks to God and the
26:14
Father by him by Jesus. In other words, it's like Jesus
26:18
is the focus and there's so many times like these arguments about
26:22
what color should the carpet be in our church.
26:24
It you're not looking to Jesus, right, You're think we're
26:28
thinking about ourselves and and there's many other things, even
26:31
things that I have done in the past like that right.
26:34
And so the simple fact is it's about God and Jesus and the
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Kingdom of God and, and that's what our life should be about,
26:45
not so much about the physical workings.
26:48
And if I'm going to be comfortable or not comfortable,
26:51
have red carpet or yellow carpet or whatever.
26:53
It's about loving one another and keeping God and Jesus and
26:58
the Kingdom of God is focus. Well, I, I would say that you,
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Melvin, you mentioned that, that you think they come as a
27:08
package. I think they can actually be
27:09
separated love and wisdom because what here's here's what
27:12
happens if you have love without wisdom, you get gay pride, stuff
27:17
like that, you know, just all inclusive love, as if everything
27:21
you want to do or you wish to do all the love of God, you're
27:25
good, you're good. You know, I'm just all I'm going
27:27
to ever do is love you. That is that is love with it.
27:30
That's love applied without wisdom right there.
27:33
That one of them. There could be many other
27:35
things, but then there's also the other side of the state.
27:37
You know, I've gotten accused of just preaching the gospel and
27:41
not caring, you know what people do, you know, where they want
27:45
to, they think love should have a good sized sledgehammer with
27:48
it, you know, like it should, it should come kind of as with that
27:51
package and on that page either. But there is a godly love in
27:56
wisdom that is actually the way that God would love someone.
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You know, you, you love righteousness.
28:03
You, you hate unrighteousness. You know, both of those are
28:06
love. You know, really.
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I don't know if I would say gay pride is love.
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Love. Love is a good thing.
28:18
Gay is destructive. It's sin like it's wicked.
28:21
It's evil. It's not love to tolerate evil,
28:24
is it? No, it isn't, but they call it
28:27
that. You know it's not, but it's not
28:29
it's. Deceptive, though it's not
28:31
actually love. Yeah.
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Yeah, you're right, Andrew. That's a good point.
28:38
When I think, I think the other key is, is that we talked about
28:41
this last week is that charity or love is agape.
28:45
It's love in action like it, it's an action that is actually
28:50
it's something that is happening.
28:52
It's not a feeling or a brother they love or you know, or what
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love like they have for a wife. It is an action.
28:59
It's an act of love. So how?
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How can we have a good discussion on how to balance out
29:06
this charity thing? So in First Corinthians it talks
29:12
about it and here it talks about it.
29:13
And he also says in verse 14, I believe he says to let the peace
29:17
of God rule, ease your hearts. Does that make you a pushover?
29:23
Yeah, I actually had that exact same thought, Andrew.
29:28
And I don't, I honestly don't know the answer to that.
29:30
I've never been able to pin down.
29:32
I was just talking with a with a brother last night actually
29:37
about exactly like that. How much?
29:39
How? What do you stand up suddenly
29:42
and say, no, this is not right? Comes in First Corinthians, says
29:46
charity beareth all things. And I kind of was stumped when I
29:52
was going through that. I was like, I tried to say that
29:55
that doesn't mean you're a pushover, but I don't know if
30:00
what. How do you explain the good
30:01
balance of that Jesus Christ? I look at him and he was
30:05
definitely not a pushover, but yet he died for the whole world.
30:10
So he bore all things. He bore the iniquity of us all.
30:16
So I think probably the closest we can get is to embrace the
30:21
truth, what we know, and stand for it.
30:24
But the word fair doesn't change the gauge of our emotions.
30:32
That's right. We're not measuring things by
30:34
fairness. We're making measuring things by
30:36
what's right and what's wrong. And if we get treated unfairly,
30:42
love bears that like if we if somebody misrepresents us and
30:46
reads into things what we were didn't mean or if we wrong
30:50
somebody, we make it right even if the other person wronged us
30:53
too or whatever. It's not keeping track of the
30:57
what we call non fairness or unrighteousness or it wasn't
31:02
somebody did that to me, but did you see what they did Like we
31:05
don't do that. We don't fight like that.
31:07
We bear those things but and let that peace of God rule your
31:13
heart, not what looked like it was injustice.
31:17
Yeah, not the strife and the stern, you know, Not the 70 * 7.
31:22
Yeah, Wouldn't you feel like that what he's going at?
31:24
He's not telling us if somebody's going to come and
31:28
just bully you and take all your money, you just allow them to do
31:32
that. Or if somebody wants to be your
31:33
business partner and they decide to run your business in the
31:38
ground, you're just supposed to lay over.
31:41
I think we're supposed to be good stewards.
31:42
I think we're supposed to be responsible with our money.
31:46
We don't let evil just run with our like.
31:48
If we would be like that, we would never get anywhere.
31:53
Yeah, well. Yeah, I don't know either
31:55
because first Peter 4 says this verse 8 and above all things
32:00
have fervent charity among yourselves for charity shall
32:02
cover the multitude of sin I feel wait a minute now.
32:07
And it says use hospitality one to another without grudging like
32:12
he never so so is there an exception there to not be
32:16
hospitable towards somebody? I mean, I I agree with what
32:21
you're saying, Andrew. That's that's where I stand too.
32:23
But I don't know if it's necessarily a selfish stance or
32:26
a biblical 1. Honestly, I don't know.
32:29
Well, a lot of people go to that verse where it says is that I
32:32
think it might be in Corinthians where it says that if a brother
32:35
is a railer, an accuser or whatever that you should not eat
32:38
with such a 1. You know, a lot of people go to
32:40
that to go to the other side and say, well, I can't bear all
32:44
things right. But to me like that is what it
32:49
says there is true. He says not to eat with such a
32:52
one, but he doesn't say that we need to like like you're not
32:56
like you're totally going to cut that person off of your life, so
32:59
to speak. He says don't eat with him,
33:01
like, you know, don't, don't, and I think it does say another
33:05
place, something about not associating with such a one and
33:11
or something. I should look that up.
33:13
I don't. So I there is, there is a
33:16
balance, right? But where that I know I'm kind
33:22
of like you guys, I'm not sure exactly what that all exactly
33:24
looks like 'cause it gets misused in both directions, like
33:29
the love side and also standing for, you know, what's the truth.
33:33
So and I think it's about it has to be a bounce somehow it.
33:40
Kind of swinging back to a little bit of finances.
33:42
So we were, I was talking with a guy this week about he's like,
33:46
how do you like, how do, what is your what, how do you do it?
33:50
Like it seems like you get all these bills or you got all this
33:53
stuff and all of a sudden you're putting in a pickleball accord
33:55
and that cost like, how do you get all that?
33:57
Like, how does that just how do you pay for these things?
34:01
And I don't really have a a plan except I know that this is all
34:08
temporal and I'm not married to anything.
34:11
And there's a verse that says if you're a food and raiment to be
34:15
there with contempt. So I'm not very tight gripped on
34:19
things and I'm always trying to help others.
34:23
I don't know why it seems like I get blessed pretty good with
34:27
great jobs just coming up. I don't know what the solution
34:30
is, except for the fact that I think there's a lot to being
34:34
charitable to not have a tight grip on your stuff.
34:39
Like I try to let people use everything I got, you know, I
34:43
but not in a foolish way for people with just take advantage
34:47
of and abuse it or break it or whatever, like.
34:50
And the where I get try to bring that balance is, is you read the
34:55
proverbs like it tells you if you do the 123, you will get
35:00
456. You know, like don't even answer
35:03
a fool. That's right.
35:05
Like a wise guy won't even do this with like a wise guy won't
35:10
do this and this and this because that leads to
35:12
destruction. A foolish man that's 1-2 and
35:16
three and he gets that. So obviously God's telling us,
35:19
you know what, you can be wise with your stuff and you'll
35:22
prosper. Talks a lot about prospering in
35:25
the book of Proverbs. But is that exactly the the new
35:29
covenant method? The the principles, the
35:34
principles apply. They're they're true regardless
35:37
which covenant you're in. So, yeah, I mean, there's
35:40
there's definitely an element there.
35:42
Well, one thing regarding this subject of, you know, how much
35:44
should you, you know, cover in love and charity and how much
35:49
should you stand up for whatever for myself.
35:52
And again, I don't know that I could necessarily flesh this out
35:56
of the Bible, but now I would I would deal differently probably
35:59
with with an unbeliever that I would with a brother in a lot of
36:04
you know. There's actually scripture for
36:08
that. Yeah, well, it there is.
36:10
I agree. It, it, it.
36:12
But even here in Colossians, if you think about the context,
36:15
he's talking about a church. He's not talking about getting
36:20
along with the world. He's not talking about preaching
36:22
the gospel being mixed in the world.
36:24
He's not. This is this is a letter to the
36:26
church, the believers on how to how to live.
36:30
So we got to be careful kind of when we look at this, this is
36:33
not all inclusive, you know. So I don't know if that helps
36:37
terrified at all, but I I think about that a little bit.
36:39
I think that's a very valid point you.
36:42
Know no, that is for sure because you're going to there
36:45
the Bible says that if you have a brother you have you haven't
36:50
if your brother has a need, it says and you have the ability to
36:53
fulfill that need that you should do that right.
36:56
And so it doesn't say that about an unbeliever.
37:00
I think there's, I don't know, I think there is a, we need to
37:05
look at it with love, right? I mean all things, if we look at
37:10
all things and like even the love chapter, like you pointed
37:14
out, Andrew, it says there that you do all these things without
37:19
love. So it's not saying that we
37:21
shouldn't do these things, that you shouldn't do anything
37:24
without love. So if we do, if we make sure we
37:27
are approaching all situations with love, I think God gives us
37:33
the wisdom like we were talking about on what for direction we
37:37
should go, if we should be strong towards this situation or
37:43
let it you know. Be so basically we need to wear
37:48
love goggles with wisdom lenses. Yeah, that's.
37:53
What that's That could be a good illustration.
37:55
Yeah, you know, and and we we got to be careful of the image
37:58
of Christ to the outside world. I mean, the Bible does tell us
38:01
to, you know, to have a good report with those that are
38:06
without too. So I just go ramrod over those
38:10
that are outside. Amen.
38:12
Got to be conscious of that, but I do think we treat that we we
38:15
deal with them a little bit differently probably.
38:17
But the verse that kills me is where it says to if somebody has
38:21
a need for something and you have it to let him have it, not
38:24
expecting or asking for it to be returned.
38:28
Yeah. Like, does that mean if somebody
38:32
wants about $75,000 skid steer and they just need it?
38:36
So there it is. And I keep making the payments
38:39
but. You're supposed to pay cash for
38:44
your stuff. And that's why you pay cash for
38:48
everything. That's a good point.
38:53
Yeah, yeah. Again, I think a little wisdom
38:56
there. I don't know.
38:57
Yeah. All right.
39:00
Well, hey, we got this pretty well, pretty well thrashed out.
39:04
I think we got it pretty well figured out.
39:06
Let's go on to a subject that we will never figure out.
39:11
Oh boy. Wives, submit yourselves unto
39:14
your own husband's as it is fitted the Lord.
39:18
I don't think we could talk about that verse much here
39:20
because it's not a it's not asking us for our opinion is
39:23
talking to the wives there. But let you go ahead with
39:26
whatever you got, Andrew. Yeah, in that regard, the way I
39:33
view that as a man, I would never suggest to my wife what
39:41
her role is. Yeah.
39:45
If I have to tell her to submit to me, then I think the problem
39:51
is me. I think I don't like this idea
39:56
of men thinking that they're meant by making their wife honor
40:01
them and submit to them and they don't give her a voice.
40:04
And like, I think that's kind of how it's been the reaction from
40:10
people that have gotten a hold of the idea that a man is
40:13
supposed to be a man and the women are supposed to play their
40:16
role. Yes, 90 probably 95% of marriage
40:21
is the women run the show and that's not right.
40:25
But how many times that is the case because the man wasn't the
40:29
man. I would say private the
40:33
percentages are probably about that high is because the man
40:37
didn't do his job. So there was a lot of boy a wise
40:42
guy was actually Mike Pearl. I asked him, how do you keep
40:47
people from trying to hijack your vision when you're starting
40:52
up a church? And he says preach the full
40:55
gospel and don't have big voids. When there's a big vacuum and a
41:02
void, people can come in and fill that.
41:06
And like, that's how you you get hijacked because somebody else
41:10
is feeling something that you're not that the people are needing.
41:14
There's a void, there's a genuine something lacking and I
41:18
think that when a wife doesn't can't comfortably submit and
41:23
honor and respect you, it's because you're not honorable and
41:26
respectable either. You're very foolish with your
41:29
business deals. Back to business.
41:31
That's a big one that I think the largest percentage of people
41:35
getting divorced, it has to do with finances.
41:39
But a lot of the fights are surrounded by finances.
41:43
It's really hard for a woman to respect her husband when she
41:46
doesn't know where the next meal is going to come from.
41:49
We're out of money, but yet he's upset that she's not making the
41:52
payments or whatever if she's doing the paperwork.
41:55
And then he goes and buys something stupid or he, he
41:59
starts telemarketing and it falls flat right in there.
42:09
You know, So I think if you're a man and you're providing, most
42:14
women love that, especially if they read this.
42:19
Now there's women that don't read this and they don't believe
42:21
in the idea of submitting. But then you just marry someone
42:25
that you shouldn't have married as a believer.
42:27
And if you were married as unbelievers and you're now, now
42:30
it's your job to win her with the word.
42:32
And look at God's design. God's design is, is that the man
42:36
leads and the woman supports him.
42:38
And they, they're A-Team, but the man is the head of the home.
42:42
And you can come up with all the reasons of why it works better
42:45
the other way. If you, if you think you're
42:48
doing it better the other way, then you're doing it better,
42:51
better your way than God's way is all I can tell you.
42:53
God's still his plan is. That is God's plan.
42:58
Yeah. Yeah, If you as a husband use
43:00
this verse to subdue your wife, you're, you ought to go get a
43:07
job. Yeah, that's all there is to it.
43:10
That's really the way it is. I I think in a lot of cases I
43:14
tell my wife sometimes why you ought to listen to me.
43:17
That says in the Bible you should know.
43:18
But you know, of course. Yeah, it does.
43:24
This doesn't mean that your wife is a doormat, you know?
43:29
I mean, it's just that simple, right?
43:32
Because we use this verse. So I've heard of men using this
43:35
verse, but yeah, I was going to also kind of go down that road
43:39
like you did, Andrew I there's this verse in Ephesians 5 and we
43:44
hear this verse over and over again.
43:46
It says, wives, submit yourselves into your own
43:49
husbands as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of
43:52
the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church and he is the
43:56
Savior of the body. So if you're, if you're right,
44:00
if your wife is not submitting or has an issue submitting, then
44:06
it it has to be the husband is the problem is at least majority
44:11
of the problem, because it says here that the husband is ahead
44:14
of the life. And so that's pretty clear.
44:17
And then first Corinthians 11, it points that out through the
44:20
headship order. And so if you're the head or the
44:24
leader, right, then it is our responsibility as men to make
44:30
sure that we are being submittable.
44:32
Like, you know, as we're acting in a way, are leading in a way.
44:37
And maybe we're not leading. Like I have been guilty of this
44:39
in my own marriage of the past. Is, is maybe I'm being passive
44:44
like I am, I am not stepping up to the plate.
44:47
I am not leading because like, I don't see myself as a person
44:52
that doesn't provide for my family.
44:54
And so maybe I am providing for my family like physically, like
44:58
with money and with physical things.
45:01
But maybe I'm not being the leader.
45:03
I'm not stepping up and being the man that I need to be.
45:05
And therefore my wife has a hard time submitting to me because
45:09
I'm not being a leader. I need to be in my home and in
45:13
my house and with my children and in my marriage, right?
45:16
And, and I can be providing physically and providing with
45:22
money, but I'm not, and therefore she's has a problem
45:25
submitting. I've been guilty of that in the
45:27
past. So it, it, it boils down to US,
45:30
man, right? I mean, it's just that simple.
45:32
If your wife is not submitting, then what's going on?
45:36
What's going on with with you as the head and as a leader and as
45:40
a man of the house? It's good.
45:44
We're we're kind of beaten up on the guys a lot.
45:48
And a lot of times we do that and part of being the head of
45:54
the house is to not allow the woman to run the show to a
45:59
certain extent. Like, and my wife would all of a
46:02
sudden be like, Hey, I want to do this.
46:05
And I was see that it's not a good idea.
46:07
I was like, no, that's not a good idea.
46:08
We're not doing that. Like that's part of leading.
46:11
Like there's a, I'm going to say a little bit something to the
46:17
women. I guess.
46:19
I don't want to be the older woman teaching the younger
46:21
women, but if the woman would just realize that if you support
46:27
cause a lot of times they say, well, my husband is just a duck.
46:29
Like he's just, he's just so unwise and so childish and how
46:34
can I ever trust him? Well, if you're constantly
46:37
telling him that that he's just a Nimrod like you can't he's
46:43
irresponsible and he just like you're constantly nagging him,
46:46
That's probably what he'll be No treat him.
46:49
Try treating him like the man that you want him to be, not
46:53
some husbands if they're selfish, if they're not
46:55
Christian and you're not Christian, it's obvious not it's
46:58
not doesn't have that love thing and do all in the name of the
47:01
Lord. It's just not going to work
47:03
anyway. But if you're doing the for you
47:05
to do the right thing, it's not based on whether the husband's
47:09
doing the right thing. And for me to do God's plan is
47:14
not only supposed to be done if my wife's doing her part right,
47:20
my job is to love her and to lead her and to lay my life down
47:23
for her. That's my job.
47:24
It doesn't say unless she's a witch, you know?
47:29
So do your part. And if you submit to your
47:31
husband, you honor him. You'd be surprised what a
47:34
childish dude will do if he gets respected like a man.
47:38
All of a sudden he starts his chest starts popping out a
47:40
little bit, starts kind of being more responsible.
47:45
Let him fall. Let him do stupid deals and
47:47
learn from him instead. If always, just like I told you
47:50
not to do that. And then he's just going to
47:52
always try to see what he can do to prove himself.
47:54
Let him let him learn the hard way, get creative in providing
48:00
in certain ways. But I would say if he's there's
48:02
no food on the table and he made a stupid deal, don't put any
48:05
food on the table. Don't go out of your way to take
48:09
away the consequences of his choices, but don't be a witch
48:13
about it. There's a lot of women that
48:16
control their husbands in a way of in like this godly smile that
48:22
just ticks me off. Instead of controlling him in a
48:27
nasty way. They're like, I must think the
48:29
neighbors should do it. Like just shut out like.
48:32
It's the same thing. It's so nasty.
48:35
It's, it's, I'd rather be yelled at than that.
48:37
You know, it's like, was she, you know, that trying to do this
48:40
sweet controlling? You know it's awful when the
48:44
husband does things against his own wisdom just because you want
48:49
to be less miserable. Yeah, anybody that, yeah,
48:54
anybody that would know me, that's how it was for us, 100%.
48:58
I I was the nib rod, you know better.
49:01
The buddy that we didn't. I was, I'll be the first.
49:04
We were so far in debt and I was doing stupid stuff and it really
49:08
turned around once my wife just let me crash and burn.
49:12
There you go. Was trying to keep propping it
49:14
up, keep trying to, you know, convince me to do the right
49:16
thing. And, you know, upon advice from
49:20
others, she quit doing that. And we ran into trouble.
49:23
We were going to lose the farm. We were going to lose the the
49:25
place we let it was going to bankruptcy.
49:28
And all of a sudden, I was like, wait a minute, we're going to
49:32
have to do something about this. Yeah.
49:35
That's actually kind of where our story started, on our way
49:39
back to God or to God was kind. Of through that.
49:48
Yeah. Wouldn't that almost be a form
49:50
of submission? Maybe?
49:52
I mean, you know, what I'm getting at is like, so if your
49:55
wife is just like always propping you up, like if your if
49:59
your husband is being thingbat right and you're always propping
50:02
him up, then that is kind of being like, that's what leads to
50:08
unsubmissiveness because of what's going to happen.
50:11
If you're if a husband is acting like that and you do that, he is
50:15
going to just sit back and say, all right, fine, she's going to
50:17
do it. Then I'll just let her do it,
50:19
right. And so if you let him crash and
50:22
burn, that is kind of like almost like you're submitting in
50:27
a sense, so to speak, in my mind.
50:29
Yeah, stop. Stop making the softening the
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landing. Yeah, for sure.
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And a lot of times it's really hard to do that because you're
50:38
worried about what the neighbors think, you know?
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Or how your kids get treated or whatever.
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It's, I mean, it's a real fear. It's, it's not, I mean, it's
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definitely not ideal. It's awful, but it's still the
50:50
best thing to do is let it. That's right.
50:53
It's often a shame thing. People are afraid to be.
50:56
Yeah, so. Well, that was an awful lot from
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I was going to say. That was an awful lot of talk
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from three men on a verse that's addressed to wives.
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All right, let's see what they says about us.
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I was love your wives and be not bitter against him.
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I suppose we probably don't have much to say about this.
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I mean, there, I don't know how much discussion is really here.
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Love your wives. I mean, we were talking earlier
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about love. Can we do that with our wives in
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the way that we were discussing charity, you know, covering a
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multitude of sin, being long-suffering, you know, having
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that humbleness of mind, the bowels of mercy, kindness,
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long-suffering for bearing one another, all that.
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You know that that comes in that same package with your wife too.
51:43
Not just as brother against or brother with brother doesn't,
51:47
but Andrew. Yeah, so I really believe
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Satan's number one, the dark side, like the the world,
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everything that is of evil dark, their number one attack.
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And even in the even politics, it's all in the politics is to
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if they can get you against your spouse, like if they can
52:13
separate the home. So it's a number one attack and
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the first things we do is we start keeping score.
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What was that all about? You know, like we're like, look
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what what's she doing? And she's not even thinking
52:27
anything. She's wondering why I'm acting
52:30
weird. And I was like, well, you just
52:32
did this and this and this and this.
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Just tell me if you're mad at me.
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Just like, what's the problem? And she didn't even know she's
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doing it. Like we're all of a sudden
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gathering clues of how she's acting and we're adding it up.
52:45
And all of a sudden we got this big mountain of evidence that we
52:48
think we gathered that she's trying to just aggravate me.
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She's trying to and it's not even wasn't even the case.
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She's not communicating and I started keeping track of things
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and adding things up and gathering all these clues and
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getting all upset and worked up. And it's the opposite of love.
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I wanted to say if you marry a good one like I did, it just
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comes naturally, but it's just not true.
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You can, you can. You can marry the best one in
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the world and it's still so much under attack that you still have
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to choose unconditional love every day.
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That's a good point. It's a choice.
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Yeah, that's right. I think the biggest attack
53:33
against our marriage personally, just speaking about our me and
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my wife is, is that is, is that Satan is trying to get us apart
53:42
and trying to be me trying to be better and you know, just trying
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to make things like you said, keeping score.
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Like I've done this in the past where I thinking, all right, so
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that's one out, but run out, right?
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And three, two more outs and I'm out, right?
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I mean, honestly, and that is so when I, when I actually, when we
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sit down and and talk this over and I look back at that and I
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and I'm like, that is so stupid. Why did I even think that way?
54:15
But, and here's the thing I was going to say about bitterness,
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so it says and be not bitter against it.
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So in my personal experience, I'm just talking from my own
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personal experience, when I become bitter towards my wife,
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it's, it's thoughts that I'm thinking in my head and I'm not
54:32
communicating with my wife openly verbally, I'm not
54:37
communicating with her about things that are going on or
54:42
whatever. And I'm just entertaining,
54:44
entertaining thoughts in my mind, right?
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And that just becomes this huge snowball that after a while I
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actually become bitter towards her or against her.
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And that is what Satan wants. And so I think that's what he is
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admonishing us here. What it looks like is the new
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man right again so. I know me and my wife have
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talked about it. I think it breaks down.
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This is the point where where relationships start breaking
55:17
down. I I could be wrong but my
55:20
opinion again. But when once, once you are
55:23
convinced that your wife does not have your best interest in
55:27
yeah or vice versa, that's right.
55:30
When you become convinced of that, that is where the problems
55:34
really start because that's where you're going to start
55:36
being suspicious about everything she says or she what
55:40
you say or whatever. So if you're not convinced that
55:44
your spouse does not have your best interest in mind when she's
55:47
making choices or decisions or saying things, I would highly
55:51
recommend that you guys get to the same page and get that
55:54
figured out because that is a breeding ground for suspicion
55:59
and and it's going to kill you. It it absolutely will if you
56:02
don't address it. What do you do if you are in a
56:04
situation? I know of people that are in
56:06
situations where she actually doesn't have the best interest
56:08
in mind, or at least it appears that way.
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That's rough. I would say probably at the
56:13
winter like. Yeah.
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Winter. Go over to the verses where it
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talks about being long-suffering and meek, having a hominus of
56:22
mind, that kind of thing. Winter back.
56:24
We haven't, we haven't talked about sex yet, but if when you
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when you're bitter and you let things pile up, it's not going
56:32
to you're not going to have a good time at night.
56:36
And I would also just say to the guys that are complaining that
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they can't get it or whatever, get creative again.
56:43
You were able to trick her. If you're not having fun now,
56:48
you were able to trick her when you were dating.
56:52
You got her to want to be with you and all crazy about you.
56:56
Well, do it again. Get creative, start dating
57:00
again, start the romance, use your imagination, put all the
57:05
things that you thinkers you don't like or whatever aside for
57:08
a minute and bury all the hatchets and start flirting
57:12
again. And all of a sudden you might
57:14
think your wife is not as bad as you thought or vice versa.
57:16
Your husband, I told you, forgetting everything and start
57:20
messing around again. That's right.
57:23
Doing that intentionally is actually a pretty big deal
57:27
because if you don't, if you aren't intentional about it, it
57:30
gets slowly kind of forgotten in a way.
57:33
So yeah, that's that's. I say, I say, good sex covers a
57:36
multitude of transgressions, too.
57:40
You're right about that one, Andrew.
57:42
Amen. It's true.
57:43
It is Your attitude changes towards like there's a reason
57:48
got or designed it that way. Likely like, yeah, everybody's
57:53
happier after all. That that quote came right out
57:57
of Fresh Rockians. Yeah, OK.
58:06
I feel like, oh, you met Aidan. I still have him calling me and
58:11
he'll say, what is that one thing that you guys said one
58:15
time that we. Oh, first he's.
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A shroud? No.
58:21
Jesus Shrop. Oh, is it Shrop Jesus or Jesus
58:23
shrop or something? Yeah.
58:25
Jesus Shrop. It's funny.
58:30
Well, I think we're up against the clock again.
58:33
We're about out of time, so it's a good spot to stop.
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We're going to talk about children and fathers and
58:38
servants and stuff like that next week, so.
58:41
And all the married guys, it's night time, so.
58:44
What's that? I've been all the married guys.
58:46
It's night time, so. Yeah, that's right.
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But if you're. Bitter.
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If you're bitter against your wife, get that straightened out
58:52
first before you start. Before you take her to bed.
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Because it didn't tell. What if you aren't bitter?
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You know what I'm saying? Yeah, don't be bitter.
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Don't be bitter. That's that's the that's.
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The show. I know that from experience for
59:06
sure. All righty, sounds good.
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You guys have a good week. God bless you and thanks for
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your time and effort tonight. We'll see you back same time,
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same place, previous episodes, simply Christ ministries.
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Google it. You can find the links to
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everything there. Thank you much and God bless.