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RHOA Season 6 Exclusive · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: I have all this pressure on me, being the first
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Speaker 1: black man to do this show in this big role,
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Speaker 1: and I knew that if I fucked this up, I
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Speaker 1: more than likely will have fucked it up for any
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Speaker 1: black man to come behind me.
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
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Speaker 1: We'll get in to my opinions on the Real house
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Speaker 1: by the Atlanta season six right after these quick ass
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,
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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
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Speaker 1: years of production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. So
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Speaker 1: today's episode of Reality with the King is not going
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Speaker 1: to be a recap episode. We are going to cover
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Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Atlanta Season six. Yes, the season
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Speaker 1: that you guys want me to talk about so much,
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Speaker 1: the highest rated season ever in Bravo history, the most
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Speaker 1: talked about season ever in terms of the Royal Housewives franchise,
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Speaker 1: and yes, the first season where I was the.
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Speaker 2: Executive producer of the show Hey rain Drops.
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Speaker 1: So today's episode of Reality with the King, I am
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the most requested topic that you
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Speaker 1: my have been requesting even before I started the podcast,
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Speaker 1: but definitely after I announced that I was doing a podcast,
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Speaker 1: The Real Housewives of Atlanta season six, as Time Magazine
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Speaker 1: put it, the greatest season of all time. So recently,
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Speaker 1: Time Magazine did this amazing feature about the fifty best
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Speaker 1: seasons of reality television in history, and The Real Housewives
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Speaker 1: of Atlanta Season six was on the list.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Now, the reason why this season is so special to
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Speaker 1: you guys is because, I mean, honey, it's the best
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Speaker 1: season of every show on Bravo, So of course it's
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Speaker 1: the best season of the Real Housewives franchise that ever
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Speaker 1: existed on Earth.
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Speaker 2: Honey. That's why, y'all. But it's also.
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Speaker 1: Special to me because it's the first season where I
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Speaker 1: was the executive producer of the Real Housewives.
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Speaker 2: So I know all of you want to get all
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Speaker 2: the behind the scenes t about that season. I know,
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: And the episode we titled Pillow Talk where Nimi Monique
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Speaker 1: Johnson leaks once removed. Yes, Hodie Pillow Talk, where you
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Speaker 1: know she had this amazing pajama Jammy jam and things
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Speaker 1: went a little Craig Cray and all of you want
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Speaker 1: me to give y'all my POV about what happened that
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Speaker 1: faithful knight in Atlanta, Georgia. Okay, so I'm going to
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Speaker 1: talk about that, but first I would like to get
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Speaker 1: into what mad the Real Housewives of Atlanta Season six
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Speaker 1: not only the highest rated season Bravo history, but also
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Speaker 1: what made it great. In order for you guys to
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Speaker 1: understand that, I have to take get a step back. So,
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Speaker 1: as you know, my rain drops, I've been a part
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Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives of Atlanta since season one. I
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Speaker 1: was an associated producer and again my job was responsible
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Speaker 1: for the housewives I was assigned to. So season one,
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Speaker 1: as you all know, it was Nini Leaks and Deshaun Snow.
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Speaker 1: And then season two, I was an associate producer again
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Speaker 1: and I was a sign of course Nini Leaks, but
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Speaker 1: they also give your boy Kim Zoziak. Imagine a producer
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Speaker 1: having Nimi and Kim the same season at the same
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Speaker 1: damn time. That's a whole other episode for a whole
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Speaker 1: nother day. Anyways, fast forward to season four. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: season four, I was the supervising producer, so I got
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Speaker 1: a promotion and I was so happy because.
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Speaker 2: I felt like, Okay, you deserve this, you deserve this.
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Speaker 2: You're great, you know.
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Speaker 1: You put in work. Carlos King like, you know, like
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Speaker 1: this is it for you, This is it. And then
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Speaker 1: season five came rolling around, and at this point in
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Speaker 1: my career, I wanted to have a different experience. I
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Speaker 1: did not want to be known as like just the
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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta producer. You know, yes, I did
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Speaker 1: two seasons of New Jersey Housewives, but I was always
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Speaker 1: a part of the Atlanta franchise. And because I'm such
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Speaker 1: a creative person, I just wanted a different experience. So
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Speaker 1: I did not do season five of the Real Housewives
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Speaker 1: of Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: I left.
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Speaker 1: I completed season four, and I went on to do
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Speaker 1: another show, Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: Now, prior to.
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Speaker 1: That, I was the executive producer of Niini Leak's wedding special.
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Speaker 1: But I said to myself, Okay, let me do the
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Speaker 1: wedding special and then, you know, let me go figure
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Speaker 1: out other things. So a company, a production company reached
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Speaker 1: out to me and said, we have this show called Blood,
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Speaker 1: Sweat and Heels.
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Speaker 2: It was taped to New York City.
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Speaker 1: About a group of black women in New York City
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Speaker 1: who were entrepreneurs, friends for the most part, but also
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Speaker 1: just really about.
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Speaker 2: Their business acumen.
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Speaker 1: So I received the presentation tape while I was filming
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Speaker 1: Niani Leak's Wedding Special, and at that time I was like, Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe after I complete Niani Leak's Wedding Special, I'll go ahead,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I'll figure out something else. So when
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Speaker 1: season six came back around, I was told by the
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Speaker 1: production company and the network that they wanted to offer
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Speaker 1: me the Covenant executive producer position on the Real House
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Speaker 1: Spots of Atlanta. Little did they know, I was watching
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Speaker 1: this Blood, Sweat and Hills presentation tape and I was like, hmm,
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Speaker 1: this could be interesting. It's an opportunity for me to
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Speaker 1: work on a brand new show with a group of
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Speaker 1: successful black women in New York City, a city that
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Speaker 1: I used to live in at the time. So I
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Speaker 1: felt like, okay, I could do this. Melissa Ford was
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Speaker 1: a part of the cast. She and I worked together
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Speaker 1: when I worked at Bet. You had Demitra Lucas who
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Speaker 1: was a part of the cast. She and I knew
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Speaker 1: each other just by you know, running the streets in
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Speaker 1: New York City, you know, going to entertainment events and parties.
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Speaker 1: So I was like, yo, I can really make Bluss
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Speaker 1: sweat and heels like that girl, Like this is a
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Speaker 1: challenge for me, Like I could do it.
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Speaker 2: But then this is the gag of gagg gag gay gags.
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Speaker 1: So everybody wanted me to do the Real Housepots of Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: even my agent over at CAA, who is still my
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Speaker 1: agent today, he said, Carlos King, every single producer in
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Speaker 1: the world wants to be the executive producer of the
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Speaker 1: Real Hotspots of Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: And here you are. They are pretty much handing you
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Speaker 2: the job.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to interview for it, you don't have
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Speaker 1: to do anything besides show up because they understand the
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Speaker 1: history that you have with these women and they really
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Speaker 1: want to be able to let you take on this
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Speaker 1: new legacy. And the word that kept using was looking
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Speaker 1: for you to revolutionize this franchise. And because of your
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Speaker 1: long relationships with these women, we all feel like you
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Speaker 1: can do it. And guys, I wasn't sold on it.
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Speaker 1: I was like, nah, I really am checking for these
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Speaker 1: bloods and Hill's girls, and I don't know. I just
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Speaker 1: want to do something different. And I told my agent,
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Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I just don't want to
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Speaker 1: be known as the guy who can only do housewives
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Speaker 1: like I want to be able to like spread my
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Speaker 1: wings and fly right. So one thing that everybody who
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Speaker 1: knows me knows about.
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Speaker 2: Me is I don't like being told what to do.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a that's a characteristic of mine.
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Speaker 2: I don't like being told what to do.
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Speaker 1: So my agent knew that and he said, look, I
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Speaker 1: know you don't like being told what to do.
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Speaker 2: So that's my advice.
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Speaker 1: But think about it because the network is expecting an
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Speaker 1: answer from you. So I will never forget this. So
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Speaker 1: if you guys follow me, you know I'm very spiritual.
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Speaker 1: I pray to God multiple times a day. And I
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Speaker 1: took a few days to think about it, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 2: I was just I was conflicted. I was really conflicted.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I love the girls and I love the show,
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Speaker 1: but I just wanted a different experience.
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Speaker 2: So I will never forget this.
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Speaker 1: I was at a John Legend concert at the Fox
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Speaker 1: Theater in Atlanta, and my agent called me and said,
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Speaker 1: tomorrow we have to give an answer to the Network
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Speaker 1: and the production company on whether or not you're going
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Speaker 1: to be the executive producer of the Real Housewilds of
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Season six.
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Speaker 2: So he calls me. I leave the theater.
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Speaker 1: I walk over to the concession stand, got me some
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Speaker 1: popcornch because I'm so dramatic, and I call him back
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Speaker 1: and I asked him, I said, what do you think
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Speaker 1: I should do?
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Speaker 2: And he said, well, we all know you don't like
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Speaker 2: being told what to do.
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Speaker 1: I said, I know, I know, I know, but listen,
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Speaker 1: you're my agent. Your job is to give me some
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Speaker 1: great advice. What do you think he said, Carlos King,
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Speaker 1: you are being handed this job. If you do this job,
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Speaker 1: and you do a great job, it will change your
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Speaker 1: life forever. Yes, blud Swinn and Hills looks like a
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Speaker 1: great show. I get it. It's also a new show
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Speaker 1: that doesn't have an audience yet. So you can either
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Speaker 1: take the risk of hopping on something new, or you
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Speaker 1: can take the job that at Rea sing Goal executive
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Speaker 1: producer wants, because everybody in the business knows if you
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Speaker 1: can do Atlanta Housewives, Oh baby, the floodgates of opportunities
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Speaker 1: are going to open for you. And I said, okay,
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Speaker 1: I said, call them tomorrow and let them know I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna do it, and he said okay, And that's how
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Speaker 1: I became the executive producer of the Real Housewives.
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Speaker 2: Of Atlanta Season six. So here I am, guys, I'm
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Speaker 2: on to high like yes, like okay, I'm gonna do.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do it.
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Speaker 1: A week later after I said yes to the drass,
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Speaker 1: after I said yes to producing the show, I get
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Speaker 1: a phone call that Kenya Moore was not going to
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Speaker 1: return to the show. And Baby, I gagged, gagged because
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Speaker 1: a part of me was like, let's be clear. I
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Speaker 1: did the first four seasons, so I know the rest
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Speaker 1: of the cast. But because I did not produce season five,
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Speaker 1: Kenya Moore was that girl and I wanted a taste
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Speaker 1: of that action. So to hear that Kenya Moore was
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Speaker 1: not going to come back, I'm like, I've been bamboozled,
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Speaker 1: Like is there.
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Speaker 2: Season six without Kenya? What's going on here? So I
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Speaker 2: was nerve.
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Speaker 1: This so much, so your boy had to fly out
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Speaker 1: to Los Angeles during the BET Awards. Yes, I had
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Speaker 1: to fly out to Los Angeles to meet with Kenya
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Speaker 1: at Maestros in Beverly Hills, and if you know anything
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Speaker 1: about Maestros, it's like the most expensive steakhouse in all
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Speaker 1: of California. So yes, Kenya has expensive taste. So I
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Speaker 1: was told, please take Kenya out to dinner and see
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Speaker 1: if you can.
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Speaker 2: Talk to her, to try to see if she can
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Speaker 2: come back.
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Speaker 1: So I sit across from this icon, this legend, the moment,
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Speaker 1: and I'm from Detroit and in Detroit, Michigan, where Kenya's
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Speaker 1: also from. She is truly like the biggest star in Detroit,
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Speaker 1: next to Diana Ross. Like Kenya is huge. She's a
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Speaker 1: very big deal in Detroit. So here i am sitting
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Speaker 1: across from a hometown hero. I'm like, yes, like this
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Speaker 1: is fantastic, and I'm like, Kenya, I only came back
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Speaker 1: for you, like we have to work together. So Kenya
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Speaker 1: was just you know, listen Kenya's first season on season five.
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Speaker 2: Again, I don't work on season five.
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Speaker 1: Kenya felt that her first season, you know, that's when
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Speaker 1: social media started to become big and she received a
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Speaker 1: lot of you know, shade and just conversation about her behavior,
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Speaker 1: and she had a very very very rough season. It
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Speaker 1: was her first season, and I promised her I said, look,
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Speaker 1: if you come back to the show, I promised that
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Speaker 1: I'll hold your hand through this process and we'll get
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Speaker 1: through this together.
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Speaker 2: I got you, but I need you, like girl, I
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Speaker 2: need you.
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Speaker 1: So she said, yes, honey, that's all I needed to hear, Like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I got Kenya Moore. Season six is about to be
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Speaker 1: a litt eation, so I have all this pressure to
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Speaker 1: make sure again, Carlos, you have to revolutionize this season. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're depending on you. And not only that, I knew
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Speaker 1: at that time that I was going to be the
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Speaker 1: first black man to ever executive produce a Real Housewives
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Speaker 1: franchise in general, And one thing about black people when
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Speaker 1: we're younger, we're always told like, you gotta work twice
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Speaker 1: as hard as your white kind of parts because we
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Speaker 1: don't have the same opportunities as them.
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Speaker 2: And one thing.
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Speaker 1: That is like a code in the black community. If
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Speaker 1: you're the first at something, you don't want to be
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Speaker 1: the last, right, So one thing we always say is
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Speaker 1: if you're the first black person at something and you
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Speaker 1: do a bad job, we're always like, see you mess
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Speaker 1: it up with all the other black people behind you,
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Speaker 1: because now they're not going to hire another black person.
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Speaker 1: So again that's just stuff that we think about as
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Speaker 1: black people. So I have all this pressure on me,
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Speaker 1: being the first black man to do this show in
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Speaker 1: this big role, and I knew that if I fucked
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Speaker 1: this up, I more than likely will have fucked it
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Speaker 1: up for any black man to come behind me. And again,
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Speaker 1: it's not something that I was told. This is something
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Speaker 1: that inherently in the black culture, we think about in
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Speaker 1: our community when we are at a certain level in
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Speaker 1: our respective careers. It's something we think about as any
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Speaker 1: successful black person.
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Speaker 2: We all think that way and still do.
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Speaker 1: So I have all this pressure on me, and I
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Speaker 1: just want to make sure that I did a great job.
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Speaker 1: So courtesy of me having a relationship with the housewives,
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Speaker 1: I knew that if I just set them down and say, look,
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Speaker 1: let's make a great season. I'm all about personal story. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's cute to throw shade and for all that stuff,
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Speaker 1: but that is not what's going to make people tune
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Speaker 1: in week to week. I want this season to be
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Speaker 1: the season where people are on the edge of their
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Speaker 1: seats because they are getting personal story from you, ladies.
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Speaker 1: No one cares about the booty implants, allegations, No one
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Speaker 1: cares about you know, I read you like, no one
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Speaker 1: cares about that, Like that's a cute moment that can
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Speaker 1: go viral, But the way I produce, I'm like, no,
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Speaker 1: we have to talk about real life issues. So I
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Speaker 1: remember talking to Faedrian Apollo, like, y'all gotsa start talking
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Speaker 1: about what's really happening in this household. It can just
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Speaker 1: be these funny sayings here and there, like, no, let's
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Speaker 1: really get down to the root of the issue that
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Speaker 1: you two are facing in y'all marriage. And Faedra understood
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Speaker 1: the assignment and she killed it in a sense of
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Speaker 1: being honest and being open. That scene where Fadra and
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Speaker 1: Apollo had dinner and Apollo made these crazy allegations about
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Speaker 1: Kenya coming to his hotel and the y'all remember when
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Speaker 1: Phedra had her steak knife, ah, and she gave you
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Speaker 1: a good old Glenn close moment from Fatal Traction, honey,
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Speaker 1: where she had that.
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Speaker 2: Knife looking at Apollo.
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Speaker 1: It says something along the lines of I can cut
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Speaker 1: her throat right now.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the stuff that I knew was.
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Speaker 1: Going to resonate to a large audience black white Asian
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Speaker 1: Latina wherever I knew that that sort of story was
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Speaker 1: going to be rich in value for the audience.
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Speaker 2: It's getting good, and you know, I hate to.
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Speaker 1: Interrupt, but I'll be right back after these quick ads.
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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: Let's get back into my opinions on the Reyal House
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Speaker 1: spots of Atlanta season six. Season six was also this
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Speaker 1: season where Porsche then Stewart, was going through the divorce
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Speaker 1: proceedings with the Cordell and I enjoyed Porsche her first season,
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Speaker 1: which was also season five. I remember talking to the
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Speaker 1: producers because as I was in the conversation of doing
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Speaker 1: nine Leek's wedding special and preparing for that, they asked me.
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Speaker 2: If I could help around with the season five reunion.
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Speaker 1: Now, mind you, I didn't produced season five, but they
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Speaker 1: felt like, okay, hey, look, you know these girls.
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Speaker 2: We're trying to get you to come back for.
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Speaker 1: Season six, honey, so why not just help produce the
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Speaker 1: reunion for season five. So I was there for that,
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Speaker 1: and I remember talking to the executives and saying like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I love Porsche, because there were conversations about whether or
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Speaker 1: not Porsche should come back, and I was like hey,
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Speaker 1: as somebody who did not work on season five, and
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Speaker 1: I actually, you know, watched the season, so I'm on
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Speaker 1: the outside looking in. I think Porsche is just getting started.
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Speaker 1: I said, I don't think Porsche has truly shown everything
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Speaker 1: she is, and I am fascinated with Porsche, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I really do think we all should give Porsche a chance,
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Speaker 1: you know, if I come and.
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Speaker 2: Produce season six, like, I want Porsche back too.
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Speaker 1: I just think there's something about her, this innocense she
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Speaker 1: has in those beautiful brown eyes that I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, there.
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Speaker 2: Is something about I just think we should give her
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Speaker 2: another chance.
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Speaker 1: I was fighting for Porsche and Honey Porscha gave Porsia
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Speaker 1: gave it her interviews Porsia when she said, I'm talking woman,
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Speaker 1: a woman referring to her ex baby.
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Speaker 2: Girl. I was here for all of Porsche.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that she was going through this very
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Speaker 1: tumultuous divorce at a very bad time in her life.
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Speaker 2: It was real and that was the thing.
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Speaker 1: It was like, I kept telling the producers, like, Honey,
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Speaker 1: follow Porsche.
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Speaker 2: Wherever she goes, because we are following a woman who's
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Speaker 2: going through this divorce to a public figure.
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Speaker 1: And we have to see that Porscha had more scenes
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Speaker 1: tap than anybody because Porsche was unraveling right before our eyes.
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Speaker 1: And because Porscha is so great, she allowed us to
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Speaker 1: documented every step of the way.
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Speaker 2: Every step of the way.
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Speaker 1: Portion was phenomenal season six, like everything everything, It was
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Speaker 1: so real and so raw and so relatable.
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Speaker 2: And then we get to pillow talk, Yes, pillow talk.
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Speaker 1: So one thing about Nimi, who is also a ghost
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Speaker 1: producer and yes, a forced multiplier.
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Speaker 2: Haha, yes, Nini leaks.
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Speaker 1: Nimi pitched this idea of having a pajama party with
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Speaker 1: the cast.
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Speaker 2: And remember her and Greg just got back together.
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Speaker 1: I did the wedding special, and I want to say
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Speaker 1: a week after Nini got married, we started taping season
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Speaker 1: six in Atlanta Housewives, so her and Greg was in
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Speaker 1: this honeymoon phase and Nini was like, look, I really
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Speaker 1: want to invite the cast to have, you know, this
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Speaker 1: pajama party. We're gonna call it Pillo talk because it's
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Speaker 1: an opportunity for us to get to know the couples
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Speaker 1: in a very sexy way. And she said, Carlos is
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Speaker 1: such a fun time, we should do it. And I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: let's do it. So we have Monique Monique. So my
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Speaker 1: Nique was married to Chuck and Chuck went to school
23:11
Speaker 1: with Phaedra and Nini and Athens. So invited my Nique
23:15
Speaker 1: and Chuck, and then we also invited R and B
23:19
Speaker 1: star Christopher Williams.
23:21
Speaker 2: Don't wake me, I'm dreaming, Yes, Christopher Williams. I love
23:25
Speaker 2: a song.
23:25
Speaker 1: So we had Christopher Williams and his wife Natalie because
23:29
Speaker 1: my thing was, well, Honey, I want to see all
23:32
Speaker 1: the couples, not just the peach holders and their husbands.
23:35
Speaker 1: I want to see all the couples because my biggest
23:37
Speaker 1: thing was Natalie, and my Nique was so integrated into
23:42
Speaker 1: the women's business that Chuck and Christopher Williams was also integrated,
23:48
Speaker 1: not only in the men's business, but the women's business too,
23:52
Speaker 1: And I wanted season six to be more about the
23:56
Speaker 1: couples and less about just the cattiness.
23:59
Speaker 2: With the girl.
24:00
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're going to get that just by circumstance.
24:04
Speaker 1: But I want this season to be where the men
24:08
Speaker 1: have a voice. And that's when you saw for the
24:10
Speaker 1: first time the men were doing interviews and I remember
24:14
Speaker 1: sitting down with again Peter Todd Apollo, Greg may he
24:18
Speaker 1: rest in peace, and the rest of the guys like Yo,
24:21
Speaker 1: I really want you all to have a voice. Y'all
24:23
Speaker 1: are going to film more this season. I'm going to
24:26
Speaker 1: make sure that you guys are involved as much as possible,
24:30
Speaker 1: because that's just how couples are.
24:33
Speaker 2: Couples are involved in each other's businesses, period.
24:37
Speaker 1: So I knew this pillow Talk event was going to
24:41
Speaker 1: be interesting because I wanted the men to have a voice.
24:44
Speaker 2: What I did not know is that a big brawl
24:49
Speaker 2: was going to happen. I was not ready for that.
24:52
Speaker 2: I was not prepared for that. It was a very
24:56
Speaker 2: long night.
24:58
Speaker 1: We were at a hotel suite in a Anta and
25:02
Speaker 1: what you guys saw was maybe what twenty minutes if
25:05
Speaker 1: that of the event.
25:07
Speaker 2: We were there for like three to four hours. It
25:10
Speaker 2: was a very, very, very long night.
25:15
Speaker 1: Nini was not happy because Kenya was late and this
25:20
Speaker 1: season there was something interesting going on.
25:24
Speaker 2: With the Battle of the Force Multipliers.
25:30
Speaker 1: Nini and Kenya had this very interesting relationship. You know,
25:37
Speaker 1: it started off with them being frenemies because remember in
25:41
Speaker 1: the season premiere of season six, that's when Cynthia had
25:45
Speaker 1: this white party.
25:46
Speaker 2: Kenya felt slighted that.
25:48
Speaker 1: Nini would invite her ex boyfriend Walter to the wedding,
25:54
Speaker 1: and that's when Niini told Kenya, no bitch is going
26:00
Speaker 1: to tell me who and who I cannot invite honey, right,
26:04
Speaker 1: And yeah, that whole thing happened. But then Nimi and
26:08
Speaker 1: Kenya made up immediately, and that's when Nimi was trying
26:13
Speaker 1: to get Kenya back integrated with the group. So on
26:18
Speaker 1: this night at the hotel, Kenya was late. I think
26:23
Speaker 1: she had to fly back to La a few days
26:25
Speaker 1: before that. Her flight came in late. She had to
26:28
Speaker 1: go home and change her lingerie attire because everybody had
26:33
Speaker 1: to wear lingerie and pajamas, and Nimi was irritated.
26:37
Speaker 2: She was very, very irritated.
26:40
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm like, Okay, this is when it's
26:46
Speaker 1: less about her being late, and I think it's more
26:50
Speaker 1: so about the fact that who does Kenya think she
26:53
Speaker 1: is that she gets to walk into any event late.
26:58
Speaker 1: We're all housewives, we're all here, we all came in
27:01
Speaker 1: on time. Why does Kingya get to be late? But
27:05
Speaker 1: Ya's defense her flight, you know, landed lay and she
27:09
Speaker 1: has to go change clothes. But again, that's when as
27:12
Speaker 1: a producer, I was like, this has nothing to do
27:14
Speaker 1: with me, and it has everything to do with this
27:18
Speaker 1: fight for position of who's the star of the show.
27:21
Speaker 1: Let's just be let's just be real. See the six
27:24
Speaker 1: was all about who is a star Kenya or Nini,
27:27
Speaker 1: And you can ask any housewife that season that pull
27:31
Speaker 1: up talk fight was more so about who is the
27:34
Speaker 1: star of season six?
27:37
Speaker 2: Period? Point in the blank. And yes, I said what
27:40
Speaker 2: I said.
27:42
Speaker 1: I felt that Niini and Kenya's biggest issue have more
27:46
Speaker 1: to do with like, who's the queen of the show? Period,
27:51
Speaker 1: And that attitude, I would say, spilled out into the scene.
27:59
Speaker 2: So when Kenya walked in, what y'all didn't see was
28:03
Speaker 2: Nini was very irritated, like very irritated because she.
28:05
Speaker 1: Wanted to, of course, make sure that the event started
28:10
Speaker 1: off right and rightfully.
28:13
Speaker 2: So and I get it. I've hosted parties before.
28:17
Speaker 1: Anybody who's late, it does irritate you because it's sort
28:19
Speaker 1: of like, well, bitch, who are you to be late
28:21
Speaker 1: to my party?
28:22
Speaker 2: So I understood what Nini was going through.
28:25
Speaker 1: So Kenya walks in and baby when Nimi Monique Johnson
28:30
Speaker 1: Leaks once removed slammed the door in Kenya's face, and
28:34
Speaker 1: then Kenya open up the door and said hey, and
28:39
Speaker 1: Nini goes, hey, bitch, and then Kenya goes, you look fabulous,
28:44
Speaker 1: and then Nini goes, you don't. At then Kenya goes, oh, honey,
28:50
Speaker 1: I always look fabulous, and Nini goes, you think you
28:53
Speaker 1: look fabulous, but you really don't.
28:54
Speaker 2: And me and the producers were laughing.
28:59
Speaker 1: Our bus saw off because nothing to me is more
29:03
Speaker 1: funny than seeing two people go at it in a
29:07
Speaker 1: comical way, and that's the beauty of that show.
29:10
Speaker 2: It was always fun shade that made me gigly like.
29:14
Speaker 2: I like fun shape because I think.
29:16
Speaker 1: You have to have a certain level of knowledge and
29:21
Speaker 1: intelligence and personality to not go dark but to do
29:26
Speaker 1: fun shade. Oh baby, sign me up for fun shake.
29:29
Speaker 2: All day long. I loved it. So all the other
29:32
Speaker 2: housewives knew at that moment this is going to be
29:38
Speaker 2: a very long night.
29:41
Speaker 1: So as Kinga got settled and Nini complimented her big titties,
29:45
Speaker 1: as she called it, Nini played a game.
29:47
Speaker 2: So let me explain this.
29:49
Speaker 1: Because Nini waited hours for Kenya to arrive, the game
29:54
Speaker 1: that Needi wanted to play was stalled, so when Kinga
29:57
Speaker 1: came with her friend Brandon.
29:59
Speaker 2: She wanted to make sure that the couples could play
30:02
Speaker 2: the game.
30:04
Speaker 1: So the game had to do with these random questions
30:11
Speaker 1: about couples, what you can do, what you cannot do.
30:14
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it became a parent
30:17
Speaker 1: that Kenya and Natalie plus Christopher had this weird vibe,
30:24
Speaker 1: and Nini caught the vibe and she wanted to address
30:27
Speaker 1: it because again, as the host, you want to address it.
30:30
Speaker 2: And I get that because I'm a host of a podcast,
30:35
Speaker 2: a late night show and reunions. So yes, as a host,
30:39
Speaker 2: your job is to ask questions. So that's what Nini
30:43
Speaker 2: was doing. And let's be clear, Nini was doing her
30:46
Speaker 2: job period.
30:47
Speaker 1: So we did not know that Nini calling out the
30:51
Speaker 1: weird vibe between Christopher, Natalie and Kenya would involve Kenya,
31:00
Speaker 1: who used an epic line, an epic clap back to
31:05
Speaker 1: Natalie when Natalie said, oh, Kenya, don't back pedal, and
31:10
Speaker 1: Kenya got up out of her seat and said, oh baby,
31:15
Speaker 1: this isn't back pedaling, it's front pedaling. Yes, come on,
31:25
Speaker 1: word Smith, that's how you. Clara, who yes, loved it,
31:31
Speaker 1: loved it?
31:32
Speaker 2: Who says that, honey, this isn't back pedaling, it's front pedaling.
31:36
Speaker 2: I love everything about it. It was just juicy, funny
31:40
Speaker 2: and just it was everything.
31:42
Speaker 1: Yes, So when Kenya got up out of her seat,
31:46
Speaker 1: we didn't think that, okay, a big fight would break out.
31:49
Speaker 2: None of us saw that coming, period. None of us
31:51
Speaker 2: saw that coming.
31:52
Speaker 1: So we were all surprised that Kenya getting up out
31:56
Speaker 1: of her seat where her friend Brandon was obviously defending
32:00
Speaker 1: his girl, would result in Peter trying to constrain Brandon
32:07
Speaker 1: and Brandon is there to defend his sister, and then
32:11
Speaker 1: Apollo stepped in and tried to diffuse the situation. And
32:17
Speaker 1: I think because Brandon was obviously being touched by two men,
32:22
Speaker 1: he didn't know what was going on, and he's pushing back,
32:25
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Apollo and Brandon started
32:30
Speaker 1: to fight, which was super weird. And that's when all
32:35
Speaker 1: the producers left the control room that we were having
32:39
Speaker 1: in another room.
32:41
Speaker 2: In the suite and tried to diffuse it. We did
32:45
Speaker 2: not see this coming.
32:46
Speaker 1: We were all gagged and surprised and like, what the
32:49
Speaker 1: fuck is happening? Like this isn't what we thought was
32:53
Speaker 1: going to happen. And to see Apollo have multiple punches
33:00
Speaker 1: thrown at Brandon and to see how we were all
33:04
Speaker 1: trying to defuse it.
33:06
Speaker 2: It was like, oh my gosh, what is happening here?
33:09
Speaker 1: And as the executive producer of the show, I want
33:12
Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody was safe.
33:14
Speaker 2: So we all just like if you watch it, we're
33:17
Speaker 2: all just holding people.
33:18
Speaker 1: So when you see these random people holding the house,
33:20
Speaker 1: wasn't cast members and you see Chuck hiding behind my Nique,
33:25
Speaker 1: we're just trying to make sure that everything's okay.
33:28
Speaker 2: Period.
33:29
Speaker 1: Like we're not trying to do anything, like we're trying
33:31
Speaker 1: to defuse it. But we also know that we're shooting
33:35
Speaker 1: a show, so the camera guys kept documenting it as
33:37
Speaker 1: they should. They're there to document everything that's happening. So
33:42
Speaker 1: we were focused, and when I say we, I mean
33:45
Speaker 1: the producers. We were focused on making sure that Brandon
33:50
Speaker 1: and Apollo were separated and that was it for us.
33:55
Speaker 1: There was a conversation that the cast members had with me,
33:58
Speaker 1: Carlos King, and they were like, we don't want to
34:01
Speaker 1: be fighting on this show.
34:02
Speaker 2: And I'm speaking to myself and I said this after I.
34:05
Speaker 1: Thought about it, because I do speak my mind. I
34:08
Speaker 1: said to them, Oh, I know, y'all ain't about to
34:12
Speaker 1: blame me for this. Y'all got me fucked up if
34:14
Speaker 1: you think for a second I'm responsible for grown people
34:18
Speaker 1: acting this way, like stop it, are you kidding me? Well,
34:22
Speaker 1: you know, we just ain't used to this, And I said,
34:24
Speaker 1: and I am. I did the first four seasons. I
34:26
Speaker 1: ain't used to the shit either. I'm used to Charae
34:30
Speaker 1: locking Nannie out the gate, you know, and she can't
34:32
Speaker 1: get into her party.
34:33
Speaker 2: Honey.
34:34
Speaker 1: Now I am used to Charae shifting Kim's wig, but
34:38
Speaker 1: I'm not used to this brawl, like, don't play me.
34:41
Speaker 1: But it was a conversation where we all just felt
34:46
Speaker 1: the need to just sit down and reflect on, like, okay,
34:49
Speaker 1: what happened? Because one thing, when you are involved in
34:53
Speaker 1: any intense situation, you want to get down to the
34:57
Speaker 1: root of it. And I think just by listen, let's
35:00
Speaker 1: just be real. I don't think any of them wanted
35:02
Speaker 1: to take responsibility for what happened. As we saw in
35:07
Speaker 1: the later episodes, nobody wanted to take responsibility for it.
35:12
Speaker 1: So of course you had cast members blaming cast members.
35:15
Speaker 1: You have people, of course blaming producers, because again, God.
35:18
Speaker 2: Forbid something happens. Chiad is the producer's fault. Yeah, boring.
35:23
Speaker 1: It was more about the fact that people had an
35:27
Speaker 1: issue with each other, and it is debatable that if
35:32
Speaker 1: Kenya did not get out of her seat, would all
35:36
Speaker 1: of this have happened. That was such a debate that
35:42
Speaker 1: a historically black college in Atlanta had this topic of
35:47
Speaker 1: discussion in one of their media classes. Okay, a professor
35:52
Speaker 1: at an HBCU in Atlanta who taught media studies, we
35:58
Speaker 1: learned that she had the topic of the day be
36:02
Speaker 1: who's responsible for pillow Talk?
36:05
Speaker 2: Fight, Nimi or Kenya Baby?
36:08
Speaker 1: If that ain't epic, I mean the fact that that
36:12
Speaker 1: scene was discussed at the college level is. It's just
36:18
Speaker 1: amazing to me because it goes to show you that
36:22
Speaker 1: it has less to do about oh, let's point fingers
36:24
Speaker 1: about it. It had everything to do about human behavior
36:30
Speaker 1: and social circumstances. And that to me is why, Yes, listen,
36:35
Speaker 1: people like to see a train wreck, and I get that,
36:38
Speaker 1: but I think the reason why Pillow Talk is the
36:40
Speaker 1: highest rated episode of season six, in addition to how
36:44
Speaker 1: some people will always call that the best reality scene
36:47
Speaker 1: in history, is because it was more about the scenarios
36:52
Speaker 1: that took place and truly who was responsible for it.
36:57
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a Shonda Rhyme scandal moment, right
37:00
Speaker 1: where you're sort of like, here's the evidence, here's what
37:04
Speaker 1: the prosecution is saying, here's what the defendants are saying,
37:07
Speaker 1: and this is what really happened. You know, is there
37:10
Speaker 1: a shadow of a doubt that as a part of
37:12
Speaker 1: human nature to really blame somebody for something, because that's
37:17
Speaker 1: just the world we live in now. As someone who
37:20
Speaker 1: was there, I truly don't blame one person. I think
37:25
Speaker 1: what happened was you had a room full of couples
37:32
Speaker 1: and some of these people did not get along, and
37:36
Speaker 1: obviously Kenya and Natalie were not seeing eye to eye,
37:40
Speaker 1: and Christopher Williams was trying to defend his wife, Brandon
37:46
Speaker 1: was trying to defend his best friends slash sister, and
37:51
Speaker 1: then I think everybody's, you know, emotions were just heightened
37:55
Speaker 1: because of that. I still don't understand why Apollo and
37:58
Speaker 1: Brandon got into that brawl. I don't know if Apolla
38:01
Speaker 1: felt that Brandon and defending himself, hit him the wrong
38:06
Speaker 1: way or got a punch in. I don't know, but
38:10
Speaker 1: it really did show you that anything can happen. And
38:14
Speaker 1: the beauty of that moment to me is the fact that.
38:21
Speaker 2: It happened.
38:22
Speaker 1: We had one conversation, meaning the housewives and the men.
38:27
Speaker 1: They had one conversation about it. Afterwards. Remember when the
38:31
Speaker 1: next episode when they were in the nel salon and
38:35
Speaker 1: Kenya and Nini got into it about responsibility, but they
38:40
Speaker 1: talked about it, and guys, we.
38:43
Speaker 2: Never brought it up again. That was it. That was it,
38:50
Speaker 2: because we have more shit to do.
38:53
Speaker 1: That to me will always be the beauty of pillow
38:57
Speaker 1: talk is the fact that it was. It was a
39:00
Speaker 1: very dark moment, but we did not allow that moment
39:04
Speaker 1: to define the rest of the season. And when I
39:09
Speaker 1: look at certain shows where every episode they do a
39:13
Speaker 1: pillow talk child meaning a fight happens and it's the
39:16
Speaker 1: main story for the entire season, I'm happy that those
39:22
Speaker 1: six peach holders and their husbands were able to talk
39:27
Speaker 1: about it, address it, and move on. And that's why
39:33
Speaker 1: Season six will forever go down in history as the
39:37
Speaker 1: best season in Atlanta Housewives history and the history of
39:40
Speaker 1: the franchise, because we had a lot of story to tell,
39:48
Speaker 1: and that's what I do miss about the show. Where
39:53
Speaker 1: you have multiple personal stories that were relatable to a
39:59
Speaker 1: massive audience. My hope is that as we reflect on
40:04
Speaker 1: the amazing season six of the Royal Hospitals of Atlanta,
40:08
Speaker 1: where Time magazine called it one of the top fifty
40:13
Speaker 1: best seasons and reality TV history, I hope that we
40:19
Speaker 1: all can see why, and it's my hope that the
40:25
Speaker 1: show can get back to that. It was so fun
40:33
Speaker 1: going back down memory lane with you guys, and I
40:36
Speaker 1: hope it was all worth the wait. Yes to recap
40:42
Speaker 1: that very epic season was such a joy, And I
40:46
Speaker 1: gave you all the tea about pillow talk, but I
40:50
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40:58
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