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Kirk Ferentz, Progress, and the CEO Salesman · Return to Glory - Nebraska

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  Speaker 1: For a Turner Glory podcast, sticking Out and Roads the
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  Speaker 1: Code of Free Tag. It's been a while. Thanksgivings got
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  Speaker 1: in the way. We're going to one episode a week.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk anyways, So well, you wanted
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  Speaker 1: to talk like Friday night, but I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: talk immediately. I was fired up. Let's just say the
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  Speaker 1: emotions have been boiled up. I wouldn't say they've been relieved.
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  Speaker 1: So we're in for a fun one here today.
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  Speaker 2: So we didn't we didn't do a preview pod of
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  Speaker 2: the Isola game.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't know DAK, not directly. No, we cover a
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  Speaker 3: little bit that Sunday or that Monday.
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  Speaker 2: But if we would have done a preview pod, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like back on now, I think that game kind of
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  Speaker 2: went how we would have said it would have or
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  Speaker 2: was gonna go. Not as bad, but I think we
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  Speaker 2: would have said Iowa would have just ran the ball
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  Speaker 2: over Nebraska.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not as bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not that bad.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think it, which is amazing because all
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  Speaker 3: year DAK you predict you know, forty to thirty five
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  Speaker 3: year five point games. I think this would have been
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  Speaker 3: the one game you're like fifteen to seventeen Nebraska.
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  Speaker 2: But what what was the over run in that game?
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  Speaker 2: I never even looked, because I mean, that's got to
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  Speaker 2: be well for sure the most points.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was like thirty eight or thirty nine,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure it hit like yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Time and right io, what's going on themselves?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So yes, the Iowa game itself is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the main focus here to talk. But I think
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  Speaker 1: over the next several episodes here there's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: lot to talk about, just from overall Matt rule and
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  Speaker 1: then the transfer portal, which is going to be open
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  Speaker 1: here for about a month through January sixteenth, and that's
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun I'll call it fun, but
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  Speaker 1: just a very eventful couple of months here, which is
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  Speaker 1: I like. I like how the NCAA has changed that
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  Speaker 1: I guess for football football it'll make it all. At
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I'm kind of like a free agency
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  Speaker 1: heavy period, so that's gonna be There's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: lot here football wise still from now until January sixteenth.
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  Speaker 1: In addition, do a bowl game, which we'll get to,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to spend a little bit of timers.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't get to talk much about Iowa and just
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  Speaker 1: jumping into the game itself. I know it's been a
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  Speaker 1: few days removed. Now here's the first thing that just
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  Speaker 1: drives me nuts, not nuts, but it's also a respecting
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Farrence. Like that dude, he just gets it and
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  Speaker 1: he just love beating Nebraska. Oh, chomping his gum on
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  Speaker 1: the sidelines and like he just it's like I got
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  Speaker 1: these guys figured out and they are so clueless, and
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  Speaker 1: he just loves it so a little bit. It's like, God,
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  Speaker 1: damn it, Kirk. But at the same time, like respect
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  Speaker 1: it's impressive and I don't know. That's my first big
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  Speaker 1: takeaway from the game is just Iowa in our ass
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  Speaker 1: year after year, and yes they're our rival, but are
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  Speaker 1: they doesn't arrival where we.
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  Speaker 3: Have to kind of go two sides and I think
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  Speaker 3: they're are rival, We're not their rival.
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  Speaker 1: No, And I said that, dude, they their first rivals
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota or Iowa State. We're probably third on the list,
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  Speaker 1: and you might even throw Wisconsin in there. We might
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  Speaker 1: even be fourth. They would be our number one right
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  Speaker 1: now from who we play on our schedule, and it's sad,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't even I mean, they're just like, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is Nebraska. They'll go kick their ass every Black
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  Speaker 1: Friday and move on.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I was trying to talk about this game
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  Speaker 3: hundred I don't know if.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say kick our ass. I kick their asses
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  Speaker 1: this year in years past, like last year we won
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  Speaker 1: eighty percent of the game, but Kirk Farns gets out
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  Speaker 1: of there and goes that we still beat him.
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  Speaker 3: I was discussing because I watched this with my in laws,
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  Speaker 3: and I was just trying to frame, like, because prior
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  Speaker 3: to the game, they're like, do you are you guys
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  Speaker 3: going to to win? And I said, just like, I
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  Speaker 3: was just trying to frame how previo years had gone,
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  Speaker 3: and I was reliving last year's game of how we
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  Speaker 3: lost in the seven first downs and nine completed passes,
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  Speaker 3: and they're like seven first down, sing, you guys lost, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And so I was like, yeah, this year, we're probably
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  Speaker 3: gonna lose in a heartbreaking fashion at the end, and
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  Speaker 3: that did not happen. I was the only one watching
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  Speaker 3: it by the end because everyone else had fallen asleep.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just sitting there miserably with an infant on
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  Speaker 3: my lap, just trying to prevent me from getting too upset.
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  Speaker 3: But there while we were watching the game, I would
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  Speaker 3: did something. Then my father in laws was like, why
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  Speaker 3: didn't they go for it? And I was like, they
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  Speaker 3: don't have This is before the game got out of control,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, they don't have to. What they
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  Speaker 3: do is they just wait for us to fuck up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it came.
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  Speaker 2: You were talking about how Kirk Farrence is Chopman's gun
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. I talked to you. I talked to you
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  Speaker 2: about or talked to you about this last night. Him
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  Speaker 2: and PJ. Fleck especially, they both have just figured out
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  Speaker 2: exactly how to beat Nebraska and it's it's been through
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  Speaker 2: multiple coaches too.
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  Speaker 3: Did you guys see the stat of most Big ten
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  Speaker 3: wins in Memorial Stadium? Parence is number two, No way,
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  Speaker 3: number one is bo Plainy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah with Nebraska coaches, yes, yes, any coach, Yeah, regardless
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  Speaker 1: of he's got. Kirk Farence has more wins in Memorial
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  Speaker 1: Stadium than Mike Riley, Scott Frost, and Matt Role.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't even call a rivalry game anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They're just dominating Nebraska or could you even call a
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  Speaker 2: rivalry like it's been since Nebraska in the big ten.
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  Speaker 2: That's all's been.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I said five minutes ago. Thank you, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's good, great, great call.
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  Speaker 3: Hunter going to his head, slow, mourning, too much grease.
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  Speaker 1: So that was point one from the game. Point two
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  Speaker 1: Emma Johnson, and it feel bad for the guy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he had a career day right, ran for over two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty yards, right, and career high.
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  Speaker 3: After the first half, he thought he was gonna just
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  Speaker 3: absolutely run over them for us of the game and
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  Speaker 3: maybe pull it out.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine running for two hundred and thirty yards
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  Speaker 1: and losing by twenty four points.
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  Speaker 3: He ran for one hundred and eighty in the first half,
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  Speaker 3: like come.
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  Speaker 2: On, started the same way the Penn State game did.
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  Speaker 2: Big runs starting You're like, oh boy, here we go,
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  Speaker 2: I know, and the wheels just fall off right after that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's just a general shout out for the game.
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  Speaker 1: That was the positive. Next on my list. For whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: we still can't figure how to stop the run, which
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  Speaker 1: we know the reason. We don't have a D line,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't have a play call adjustment. I should
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it was all like Penn State. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't as running back heavy but then Gernowski got loose,
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  Speaker 1: and that has also been a recurring theme this year
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  Speaker 1: of stopping the quarterback around. Geranowski's not he's still a
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  Speaker 1: big dude. He's not a he's not an efficient runner.
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  Speaker 3: He's just not correct.
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  Speaker 1: He can he can move a little bit. And on
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  Speaker 1: the flip side, our offensive play calling, I just have
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  Speaker 1: play calling written down. We can dive into throwing the
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  Speaker 1: ball on second and four and I completely get. They're
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  Speaker 1: a time and place for throwing the ball. Hell, look
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  Speaker 1: at what Iowa did. Iowa runs the perfect play actions
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  Speaker 1: at the perfect time that has guys wid open or
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  Speaker 1: they run. It's a simple double move with their tight end,
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  Speaker 1: which is like eighth or grade football coaching. But if
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  Speaker 1: you run it at the right time with the right
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  Speaker 1: player against the right person, it works. That's all Iowa does. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's a time and place for running, but man, we
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball or for throwing it. We throw the
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  Speaker 1: ball on second and four after a six start run,
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  Speaker 1: And then yes, I did that just was like another
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  Speaker 1: thing that just just big sigh, big disappointment.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, well, the other thing I think, I mean
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  Speaker 3: our special teams probably worst special teams game of the
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  Speaker 3: year set the fumble, and then their's average starting field
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  Speaker 3: position was like on our forty five for the first half.
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  Speaker 3: It was something crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Hold pause real quick there about that fumble on the return.
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  Speaker 2: Why did they not review that for targeting?
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  Speaker 1: Here we go blame the rest, Well, no.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm just gonna because I was watching any other
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  Speaker 2: night and I was like, and they reviewed this and
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't even close to the same amount target as that,
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  Speaker 2: and they threw the guy out. I was like why
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  Speaker 2: and that has nothing to do at the end of
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  Speaker 2: this game here.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't you know why, because we didn't We
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  Speaker 1: didn't deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, that could have been it. The rest
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  Speaker 2: was like, well, this is gonna matter, but.
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  Speaker 1: I mean technically by rule if you wanted to say
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  Speaker 1: it by rule, sure, but I was just like, you
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  Speaker 1: fumble it one, you fumble it, get bumble it first,
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  Speaker 1: you get to do the playover again, and then you
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  Speaker 1: fumble it. They're kind of three times and pick it
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  Speaker 1: up and then you fumble it again. Yeah, I guess
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  Speaker 1: the first one and he was probably down before they
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  Speaker 1: redid the play for an illegal shift or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 1: But you just at that point, you don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I was like I didn't care. Yeah, you looked at it,
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  Speaker 1: and the fans were just pissed after they saw it
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  Speaker 1: on TV, and Matt Rule was pissed.
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  Speaker 3: But I got it just fair. I think it's fair
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  Speaker 3: for that rule to be pissed. But I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we just.
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  Speaker 3: That was part of the I mean, that was the
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  Speaker 3: point of the game. It was like we were down eight,
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  Speaker 3: we were getting the ball back, and then they got
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  Speaker 3: they got the ball, they got safety there and then
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  Speaker 3: they got the ball back, so that it's like that
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  Speaker 3: was the that was the moment of like it's not happening, like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I got the ball down he maybe we go down
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  Speaker 3: here to score. But once it happened, it's like, oh no,
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  Speaker 3: this is this is over.
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  Speaker 2: I saw I saw in a brassman complain t winter
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  Speaker 2: in some Iowa fantry. Back to him, He's like, here
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  Speaker 2: you go. Then he crossed of the forty. But all
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  Speaker 2: right's thirty eight sixteen now like it did not matter.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if that's a fair way to it's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's different than just taking the safety off.
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  Speaker 1: But that I mean that kind of led into my
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  Speaker 1: last note on the game itself. You're and this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna lead into a lot of other conversation here. We
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  Speaker 1: have our players, right, call them our our dudes, that
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  Speaker 1: are our players on this year's team who we thought
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  Speaker 1: were ja Cory Varney was one of them going into
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  Speaker 1: the year. That happens, you know, it just can't happen.
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  Speaker 1: It can't happen in a game. You can't have your
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  Speaker 1: your better players making a play like that. See her right,
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  Speaker 1: was one of the guys on defense that we would
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  Speaker 1: say is a leader an anchor on this defense. On
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  Speaker 1: Gernowski's long he has an open one on one tackle
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  Speaker 1: in the backfield and just overruns it and with and
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  Speaker 1: like again, who who are players right like that? That's
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  Speaker 1: that's the question. If we're supposed to have players, who
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  Speaker 1: are they? And if those are the guys like your
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  Speaker 1: your players can't be messing up like that. And that
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  Speaker 1: to that again opens up a whole other conversation on
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  Speaker 1: where we're at with the current roster and where the
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  Speaker 1: roster is going to be moving forward. But that was
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  Speaker 1: just a that's a big thing in games against teams
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  Speaker 1: like Iowa. Why does Iowa doesn't, Well, tell me who
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  Speaker 1: Iowa's players are. They just have a bunch of white
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  Speaker 1: receivers and kick returners and who cares who plays quarterback
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  Speaker 1: for him? And who cares who plays running back for like.
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  Speaker 3: Those guys. Another year we lost with the team completely
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  Speaker 3: lesson tempered asses.
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  Speaker 1: So so anyways, that that is the point I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make here because a lot of the talk in
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  Speaker 1: the off season every year is on the recruits and
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  Speaker 1: the portal, and it still will be who are these players?
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  Speaker 1: Who are these guys?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Or?
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  Speaker 1: Look at our this year was receivers, right, we were?
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  Speaker 3: I was, I was a non factor.
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  Speaker 1: Isaiah Hunter, I mean, all of our receivers for that matter,
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  Speaker 1: didn't do anything that I mean, what was our what
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  Speaker 1: was our highest receiving yards guy this year?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it probably an Isaiah Hunter and then maybe Evan Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say that, but those guys, I wouldn't say.
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  Speaker 2: Those guys can't do anything. Isaiah did probably better than
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  Speaker 2: what I thought.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't do a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he did in the year he didn't do much,
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  Speaker 2: but did But yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking. I mean again, I'm taking those two garbage
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  Speaker 1: games out. Well, I mean, what what were our stats
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  Speaker 1: for receiving hers. Did we have a guy get to
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  Speaker 1: five hundred?
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, yes, Isaiah got to six seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we got someone at six seventeen. But it's
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  Speaker 1: to me those were our got our players right. And
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  Speaker 1: then on the defensive side, I guess that it was
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  Speaker 1: the transfers coming in. I don't know, like again, those
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: guys didn't solid I don't know like it. It just
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  Speaker 1: it just to me if we have so now the
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  Speaker 1: conversation with everybody, Oh, we don't have the players. We
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  Speaker 1: gotta get players, which I agree, but I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to hear in the offseason about these players that we're getting.
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  Speaker 1: And I messed up because I got I got on
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: the Dankey hype train.
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was pumped there too. Like Dylan Royola again,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: was was what he was this year before he got hurt.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't exceptional, he wasn't poor. TJ Latif was not
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  Speaker 1: what he was. So like whoever these quote unquote players are,
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  Speaker 1: which we have some hype already around, I'll say Trey
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  Speaker 1: Taylor like great. I don't care right now until we
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  Speaker 1: get offensive line, defensive line, which we'll get to here
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  Speaker 1: in a second, So anymore on Iowa specifically. That was
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  Speaker 1: probably longer than I wanted to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: The only other thing this definitely put to bed the
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  Speaker 3: TJ Latif starter next year. I was just gonna like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that it's not a conversation, but
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  Speaker 3: it put to bed the he's clearly the number one.
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  Speaker 3: Dylan's like, yeah, it's still team if he wants.
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  Speaker 2: It, Like, yeah, yep, yes, that's that's a big if. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm I'm close to when he's all on the
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  Speaker 2: teeth of that game. But he was horrible that that was.
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  Speaker 3: There, the drop passes, but what I don't understand, And
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  Speaker 3: again maybe he can't run.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't do design again for the second game in
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  Speaker 1: a row.
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  Speaker 3: Like he was hurt, he got hurt in the second
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  Speaker 3: half or at the end of the first half. He
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  Speaker 3: the first half, he still wasn't running it. He try
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  Speaker 3: to run it one.
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  Speaker 2: Time, yes, yeah, which which makes you wonder if he
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  Speaker 2: was a little hurt before, like in days weren't saying it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and were running it, or if they just
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: are that dumb and like I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I just haven't seen it. I just I haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: like that. I know everyone says he can run, I
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  Speaker 3: just haven't seen like that speed.
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  Speaker 1: And like, no, I I agree, he's not. He's not
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  Speaker 1: the the running quarterbacks that. He's not Taylor Martinez, he's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: not Jamal Lord, he's not.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like Adrian, like you could just when they
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  Speaker 3: started running, it's like, oh, this dude can like move.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he definitely has not shown that.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think the play calling is letting him,
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  Speaker 1: which maybe the play calling shouldn't letting himcause he can't.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know that. I think everybody thought that maybe
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  Speaker 1: he could, but maybe he can't. So then then then
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  Speaker 1: then that goes back to the player conversational. Then maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's just not very good. And and we hyped up
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  Speaker 1: this guy for for what.
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  Speaker 3: That great fourth quarter Week two against Houston Christian.
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  Speaker 1: That was it right there at that in a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the spring game that that we got to see.
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  Speaker 2: You're You're just a Keith hater off, aren't you.
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  Speaker 3: I am not a hater. I wanted to win that game.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted Teacher to do well. But you were the
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  Speaker 3: one who announced him by far better than Dylan real.
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  Speaker 1: Like I mean, yet have yet to see you take
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  Speaker 1: your word back on that.
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, this last week, this was it.
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  Speaker 3: I know it was. It was like, as we're getting
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  Speaker 3: thumped by Penn's state, Yeah he's by far better. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I don't know, man, we're down forty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. If't fully take it back at it.
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  Speaker 2: Steel as a freshman, two games on the road, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, two games on the road, one game where.
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  Speaker 2: He looked okay, okay, yeah, three okay's two games on
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  Speaker 2: the round, one at home.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: But my god, that that running part when he does run,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: he looks it looks like Denrella saying he can run
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: like same speed everything, Like he just doesn't move well.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I don't it's better than La.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I just don't see it like I'm not like it's
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: not like, oh, this dude's like a dual threat. It's like,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know, he moves well on the outside of
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: the pocket, but it doesn't have like that like when
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: he makes the decision, it's not like, oh, this dude's gone.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh wait, he's kind of just galloping.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But compared to Riolo, he's definitely do with that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Like what do you if you've any quarterback and.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Might be a zero threat at this point. I'm not
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: worried about his passing. I'm not worried about his running.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: What I what I don't know is our system, philosophy, style,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: whatever that is, Like it doesn't it's not conducive. Now,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to add a bunch of quarterback runs.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: But I do think that. Just listen to Rule talk
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: about quarterback run game and and and Dana, like they
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: made some common about TJ getting down and yes, it's
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I get it, Like if you're you run your quarterback,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you don't want him just taking a bunch of shots.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: But I think our play calling is because and even
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: with Dylan, we're scared to roll him out. We're scared
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to give him freedom to run because we're afraid he's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: gonna get popped and hurt. And I just totally disagree
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: with I'm not I would not go out and tell
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: him to go take a bunch of shots, but you
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: can move. I think we just get a little scared
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: play calling wise, because we're afraid of them getting hurt.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I don't want TJ TEF to go in, but.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I guess after TJ, then you ever
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: else is left so what what puts me? That's a
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: losing mentality. If if you're if you're playing, if you're
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: coming in, then.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm with you. I'm with you.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So okay, season, let's look at that big thing here.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Uh seven and five another win total under, which now
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: makes it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Most I don't know.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: We hit the under every year since twenty sixteen.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: It's amazing that Las Vegas hasn't figured it out yet.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It really is happy to make a ball game.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I am. I wouldn't say I'm just happy to make
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: a ball game, but I am happy we at least
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: made a bull game.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's Vegas setting the line there. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: would say.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: It's better's moving it there.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Nebraska betters betting the over, so Vegas says that suckers.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: We're going to keep raising it and you guys are
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: still gonna lose your money. I would say it's a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: big part of it. But at the same time, it's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it's it's a way of measuring expectations a little bit
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in my mind and underachieving those expectations that are set
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: by a national audience. And we hit the unders again
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and you're right, you have. We made a ballgame. And
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: this word that gets thrown around with any team, with
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: any coach is progress, and you can define progress how
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you want it to be. I just want to look
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: at our schedule this year, and I know we got
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: into this a few weeks ago on how difficult the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: schedule was and how it's hard to judge what a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: schedule looks like you're in and year out. But this
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: schedule and the opportunity to have a successful season that whatever,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that looks like a nine to three playoff type of
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: team that people thought was there for the taking. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you look at our best win, it probably ends up
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: being Cincinnati to start the year, which Cincinnati was about.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, they probably maybe were a little better people thought,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: but for a while there they it looked pretty decent.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: They kind of fell off end of the year. You
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: beat a Michigan State team, you beat a Northwestern team, which,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: if you want to call progress, we sometimes don't win
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: those games, which we did this year so in last year,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: which is good, but you get a banged up Michigan
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: or a banged up I should say banged up but
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: no coach Michigan team. You get a banged up Penn
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: state team in the state that they're in, Iowa's Iowa
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: USCS for decent UCLA ended up being just garbage. They
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: maybe had a little life there for a little bit,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but looking back on it now after the season's over,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I think that you can call them garbage. So you
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: win seven game to that, I don't know if you
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: want to combine our opposing teams wins, but it's not
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: very many or win loss record, and it just it
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: just to me, it's just a it's a missed opportunity
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: of a season. If you're Matt Rule, if you're this
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: coaching staff, you're Anabraska football fans, you just feel like
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it's a missed opportunity to have a big, big step
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: forward and it wasn't there. That that's my takeaway when
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: when you look at it, and especially then you wins
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: or wins, losses or losses, you get destroyed your last
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: two games to end the year by two of your
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: better opponents in your schedule. But at the same time,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: opportunities they didn't have to be blowouts than they were.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Right, it's not that we're seven to five, it's that
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: we lost to ranked mission. You know, top twenty five.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna then, you know, I say ranked, we
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: like to rank Michigan, ranked USC, and then Penn State night.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: So we lost to all the good teams on our schedule.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And get blown out by Minnesota, and then Minnesota is
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in there. But it also is the games that we
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: lost to our good teams. It wasn't in USC. Michigan
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: were kind of we got.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Michigan were Michigan. The score looks better than it was
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: because it's just because we scored like a touchdown with
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a minute left we were down whatever it was, or
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: ten with two minutes ago like it was. It was
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: never within reach.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: When I say embarrassed, I don't mean I mean score
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: wise on a few of those games, but physically and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: from a toughness standpoint, embarrassed in Michigan, Minnesota, Penn State, Iowa.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like that's how we lost those games, and that's football, Like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that's what football cover is down do a lot, and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: in those games it was just clearly man for man,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: we didn't have the players and we just physically and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: mentally got the shit ticked out of us in those
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in those losses. So that's where you look at the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: season and you go God like you would hope you'd
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: be a little bit further. When you throw that word
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: progress around, that's a big nick. On the negative side, Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I've been trying to rip my head around have a
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: kill about the season. Obviously, I'm disappointed. I thought we
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: were I mean, I thought we were gonna win eight
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: games this year. Ship. Yeah, you run through schedules like, well,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: we should have. The Minnesota loss is the one that
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you just can't stomach. It's just like, I mean, obviously
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the blow out to Iowa is a killer. But when
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: you go back and you look at your losses, like, yeah, okay,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I expect us to lose a Michigan, I expect us
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to lose you see, Penn State. The Iowa game was
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: always a toss up, But that Minnesota loss is the
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: one where it's just that was kind of where it's like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: this year is not the year. It's just not this
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: progress isn't. You can't drop that game when Dilanerill is
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: still healthy.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. Another good way of looking at it
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: go back to the beginning of the season, show us
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the score for all the games and try to level
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: set where your head was at on all these teams
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: going into the year. The Minnesota game you would have
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: been like, what the hell is that? The Iowa game
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you would have been like, what the hell is At
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the rest of them, you would go, Okay, that probably
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: kind of makes sense. Yeah, But the problem was we
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: don't have any on the other side that you would go, wow,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't expect that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Which games would you do that on? There aren't Actually,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: there's probably one. The Accron game you'd go, holy crap,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: we scored seventy, right, that would be the one that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: you maybe would on the other side. On the positive
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: side look at it and go I didn't expect this
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to do that, But there are two two what the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: hell negative is? But know what the hell positives? I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: guess when you go back to the beginning of the year,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: if you want to look at it with the closed
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: glass door now, so that's probably, yeah, a good way
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of looking at it, I would.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Say, I guess, yeah. The overall pinions on the season,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I obviously Dan reel Will getting hurt I
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: do think impacted us a little bit, not enough, but
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: obviously Matt rules side as well. But the defense just
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: was the defense was the weak link. All year in
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: offense obviously like terrible towards the end of the year,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: but for the most part, outside of the Minnesota game, again,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: we scored enough points to be competitive with Dylan Reel
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: being healthy. So John Butler obviously, well, I'm okay, are
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: we talking? We're gonna talk about John Butler? Where we are?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: What are we gonna talk about?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: We will we will get the John Dak I want
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to hear your season that here.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I personally feel a lot worse.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: So this is our end of season recap, pod. I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: feel a lot worse talking about this season. No, I'm
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: saying last year the same same exact thing. Okay, last
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: year's I feel a lot better last coming out of
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the last year's team, I do this year's team by mile,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: like I don't see any progress at all.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You need to go get some coffee and get this
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: brain moving a little bit.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I think I think that's what you need. Well, the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: defense defense improved one bit, and I don't think the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: offense did either, like at all. And it's I think
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the only positive takeaway you can take away from the season,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and this is this is a big positive. Is a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: special teams got a lot better in one. I feel
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like three or four games. That's that's the only way
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: they really got least seven wins. I would say other
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: than that, I don't see any improvement at all on
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: either side of the ball.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're talking progress in that word that we
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: throw out there, here's two areas where we get progress
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: in special teams and I'll call it ball security, penalties,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to throw in that bucket. Those are
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: two areas that we saw progress, and I don't think
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you can really argue that. Yeah, now, special teams would
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: have been very hard not to see progress, I will
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: say that, but it was drastically improved under Mike Eckler,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and it really helped our team. You wouldn't look at
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: offensive defense the other two thirds of the game defense
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: arrow drending.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Down offense, which huge rule expective. With Tony White leaving
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and all the players too, we dedn't expect even to
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: be a little worse, but.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: We expected to step back.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: But yeah, not like this.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't even say error turning down. I should say
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: arrow down offense. You're right neutral at best, Like I.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Don't say, I don't. I don't feel like we got
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: worse on offense. I don't think so.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: As you could. You could, you could argue wherever you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: want to say. But so to that point, then you
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: look at the three areas of the game. Yes, special
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: teams we've said it's a big part and up to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a third of the game. I get it. So does
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: that offset everything else? I don't know. Like that's where
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: progress to me is is.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: And where is that We've brought in a We've brought
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: in just a banging special teams coordinator.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yep, And that's good. Like that's credit to rule and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: being able to do that and all of that. So
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: here's where this transitions us into Matt rule. Specifically, here
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: in year three should we be debating and why? Why
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: are why are we sitting here questioning progress after year three?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: That's that's the part of me that's I'm just it's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: not good for the program. We're sitting here in year
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: three under a coach that's supposed to be a program builder, rebuilder,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that's his strength, right, and we're sitting here talking about
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: are we seeing progress with him? And that to me
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is like take a step back and look at it
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: from a thousand foot lens. That's that's bread flag and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that's not good for the direction of the program, Austin said,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: right for the game, He's like not good in the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: brass football future is like.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: That.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: That that right there in itself. It's it's we're debating
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: is there progress after three years of Matt rule? And
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that's concerning to me, like.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: The expectations progress from year zero to year three, But
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of progress from your two to three.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Correct and with Matt Ruhle coming in, which I believe
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: before we hired him, right the coach you won here
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: had a big task to take over the Scott Frost
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: debacle where we were at. Matt Ruhle then came in
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: with this three year game plan that he's had at
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: other schools, and this was year three. It didn't pop
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: as much as it did at Temple and Baylor. While
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: we've had him here, it's been a roller coaster. As
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: we think about it, it's there's been some moments where
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you're really excited about the future and rascut football with him,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and he's bringing in players and talent and people around
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: him and and throwing that talent word out loosely. Everyone
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: gets excited about him that's when Nebraska fans do. That's great.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Matt Rule is a great talker to the media. He's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: a great salesman. He's always been that way, and that
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: is great for a program like Nebraska because you need
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: to do that to keep the hype up to get
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: recruits here all of that, especially in today's transfer portal world.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: But here we are in year three. After year three,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: we just completely skipped over the bowl game piece. But
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: we're not done with year three. They're still a bowl game.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But some people will actually kind of put the ball
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: game as like its own season.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, point is what are what are?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: What are we selling? Right now? If you're Matt Rule
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and you're going out, two things you gotta sell. You
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: gotta sell a couple of areas. One, you got to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: sell your entire program, vision, philosophy, to boosters, your a D.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: People making the decisions and house on Nebraska football. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: mean the fans kind of I guess throwing there too.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: You gotta sell the fans, I guess, But the main
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: people making the decisions you gotta sell. You gotta sell
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. You have you have to have a plan.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: It's be confident in that plan, and that was kind
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of what Rule said after Iowa that he is still
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: confident in his vision, his goal blah blah blah. The
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: second part is you've got to be able to sell
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: all of that to high school and college kids in
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: recruiting in the portal to get them to come and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: help you win games. Right now, Matt Rule A, you're
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: good at it, but what in the hell are you selling?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: What?
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: What?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: What?
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: What are you giving to the what are you providing
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: after this last couple of games to say, come to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Nebraska and here's what you're going to get in Nebraska
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: versus all these kids going to and we're talking about talent,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: we're talking about competing with Iowa love teams and above
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like not not your Northwestern's, not your Iowa states. We're
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: talking Michigan, Ohio States, Alabama's, Georgia's, Wisconsin's usc is to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: take that next step. We're talking those places. What are
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you selling to them to come to Nebraska. It's hard
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: right now, but that's what Matt Rules really good at.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: That's to me where we're at with Rule, and I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: don't That's why I'm scared. I don't know. I don't
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: know how you sell this team this program right now,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: with what just.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Happened, I've been thinking about Matt rules place and the
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: impact of a head coach because I was I've been thinking,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: can you I guess maybe what's your guys opinion? Can
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: you win where you're head coach? He's just he's the salesman.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: This is like when you promote your you know again,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: we're talking about roles in a CEO role. This is
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: like a company that like, Hey, our top salesman is
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: our guy, and we're shifting from a customer focus to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: a sales focused and can it work where he is selling?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: But you have really good coordinators that execute. I think
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: it can, mh. But you have to nail those hires,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: and he hasn't. I mean, you know, you look at
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: the offense. We've we still have our previous awesome offensive
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: coordinator on staff, but we have a new offensive coordinator.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: We have We've had two offensive coordinators in three years.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: We'll have you know, we've had two defensive coordinators in
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: three years. We'll have another one next year. So I mean,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I think he knows that we've had two off we've
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: had two special teams coordinators, So I mean he i
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: think he recognizes that, but I haven't yet seen that
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: he can do it. So I think is a I
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: think his approach can work. I just don't know if
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: it can work. It's just not working. I don't That's
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: what I'm confused, because it's like I think it can work,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: it's not working. I think he's doing what he needs
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: to do to make it work, but I haven't seen
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: the the you know, the Mike Eckler thing is like
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: the one positives like, okay, saw, like our special teams
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: is abysmal. I'm going to go get the best special
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: teams coach that I can.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And while that's a positive, Mike Eckler has ties in
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Nebraska too, so it's like correct.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: So it was already kind of there. It's like, you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: like there was like that's what that's yes, I saw.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I'm torn. I think the approach can work, and I
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: honestly think it's a good approach, but.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: You have to be good at just I love your
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: business analogy and maybe that doesn't hit with some of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the listeners. DA's probably head spinning right now. But you
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: hire a marketing guy, you hire the salesman as your CEO,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: right you while your that's your strength and you're really
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: really good at it. If you don't surround yourself with
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the right people to fill in your weak areas, your
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: weak spots, then you're in trouble. And I think that's
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: what you're kind of saying, is I don't we don't.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: That's when the operations fall apart.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're questioning right now, the operations right now. On
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: one there's I think there's two pieces of it. Your
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: your your boarder, director's room, your your coordinators, your coaches,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: but then your next level employees who are your players
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that also has not been excellent. You've hit on a
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: on a high five star Dylan Royola, but you start
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: with the Jeff Simms who was abysmal, and you're you're
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: what what to me? Then, going back to this business analogy,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you are juggling your philosophy, your your company culture, your
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: your company structure, how you're operating. All that's been is
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: is you're you're trying to morphit in your three years
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that you've been to the CEO, and you don't really
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: know exactly what you're what you're moving towards because you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: have so many moving parts with your CFO, with your
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. With your defense, you have so many moving
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: parts constantly, so it's hard to consistently define. Here's what
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I believe in. As this salesman, But if you're a salesman,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you sometimes don't even know what you want because you
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: are just a salesman. That's all you know. So you
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you don't you don't know what you don't know. That
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to me is where I don't know that Matt Rule
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: is a great football coach. Like as far as coaching football, which,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like you said, Austin, doesn't have to be necessarily and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: in a perfect world, but you saw what happened to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Carolina where you're not doing as much selling, you're more coaching,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: because that's that's the NFL. So we'll throw that out
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: of there if you want. But look at some of
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: his end game time management stuff, short yardage stuff, which
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Matt Rule might say, that's not me, that's that's my
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: coach is which it might be. But as far as
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: in game coaching stuff and adjustments, DAK mentions, adjustments a lot,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: we don't do those well, like.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: That when we take that time out against Iowa just
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: to kick the field goal when we were down on
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: the seven yard line, yeah, run down. I was like
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: what that? Like, what are we doing? Like there is
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: no reason, Like I couldn't. I could not wrap my
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: head around, like why on earth we went out there
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: with and just let the cock run out just to
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: do it?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Was like the decision making was so slow that we
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: kind of ran out there but then didn't like yeah,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: just stuff like that as an example of that doesn't
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: make sense. Why why would you not have a system,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a decision making process that's sharp and quick and not
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: not burn a time out there. So to that point
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: of Matt rule, what's he good at? We hit what
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: he's good at. But when you're a salesman and you
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: don't have anything to sell, things can fail pretty quickly
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: when your product is poor. And that is why I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: am very very very very very very low on this.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Working with Matt Ruhle. Right now, there's a little The
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: little hope here is that the portal doesn't close till
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: January sixteenth, and if we set our found if he
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: resets his foundation to offensive lineman and defensive lineman, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: we go out and get some guys in the portal, and.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: We hired just an absolute bang a name at DC
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: well and maybe I we still haven't talked about that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Yet, but someone wants yeah, we'll talk about that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: That gets us up. Gives me a little bit of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: hope to where maybe this still could work. But right
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: now I am like, you have.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: To go out and win the bowl game. Though, you
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: go out and you lay an a at the bowl game.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's also Yeah, that's that's also included. I guess
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: in this next month and a half, right, what what
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: kind of because this is Matt rule, what are you
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: selling right now to your current locker room guys for
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: this bowl game?
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah at all?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Like clearly, I don't think they were pumped up once
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Iowa game started going south. It just looked like the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: wheels fell off again, just like Penn State games. So
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: like the players right now to me, are you they
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: start questioning the CEO, salesman guy everyone once everybody starts
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: doing that, and that's all you're good at. What's left?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: There's a little bit of hope with me. Again, I'm
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: not I'm not saying fire him right now, but if
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: if nothing happens over the next if we get beating
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: our bowl game and it doesn't look pretty and there's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: no motivation, and then come January sixteenth, and we had
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: not gotten any linemen and all we're talking about is
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: receivers and defensive backs and all that. Like, I'm sorry,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: we're wasting a year next year because next year we
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: won't go into the schedule. It's tougher than it is
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: this year. It's not gonna be as opportune. We're gonna
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: be wasting a year and or multiple years on Matt
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Rule here when we could be getting a head start
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: on somebody else. That's where my head's on Matt Rule.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I get it. Just it is a little bit of
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: hope holding on. But you got about a month and
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a half to show, to sell what it is, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard because there's not much right now.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, Troy Dannen's like, I don't think the
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator was purely fired because Matt Rule wouldn't have fired.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I think there was some pressure of like, hey, I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: gave you a freaking extension and you you come out
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: the next four games and look like absolutely you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: I guess six, I guess it happened right before the
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Minnesota game. Yeah, after, but you come out and the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: end of the year, whatever it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Was, it just feels like we're in Scott Frost the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: year four and now two where the same thing happened.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: We're like, Frost, we're not firing you yet, but you
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: better go out and get a new coordinator because what's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: what you're doing is play calling is not working. So
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: we go out again. Mark Whipple like it just it
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: feels so repetitive right now, which sucks that we're here
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: in Nebraska football. But until you define the lines of scrimmage,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think it matters who you have here because
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: that's what we are as a program, like we are
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: not we gotta be Iowa. We gotta be Iowa and Minnesota,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and we got to be those teams first before we
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: can do We're playing them every year and we get
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: our ask kicked by them every year. So until you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: become them and be them, we.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Don't need to be like and even then, like the
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: bar is as you know, it's not absolutely domination, Like
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Iowa's defensive line didn't absolutely dominate us. Yeah, but they
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: didn't get pushed around. I mean, like you know, they
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: still have applied pressure.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: But because they believe in toughness and physicality and all
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: of that, and that just to me. You can say
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: that as Nebraska, like coaches can say that, but Iowa
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and Minnesota know how to teach it and preach it
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and live it to a whole nother level, doing the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: little hard things. Like again, the coaching staff is going
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: to say, we are doing the hard things, but we
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: are doing tackle drills, and no point. It's doing them better.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: It's doing them to an elite level. And if you
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: don't know what the how to do it to an
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: elite level, then then yeah, you're gonna get your ass
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: kicked by the teams that are doing it at an
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: elite level.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Those two teams, especially now it's been through multiple coaches.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Is in Nebraska, they know with Nebraska, if you just
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: stick the same game plan, eventually Nebraska crumble and you'll
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: be able just to dominate them on I.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Mean, outside of the fumble, it didn't really feel like
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: we were beating ourselves. It just felt like they beat.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is which is which? Which is worse?
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: And I felt that way all year. I don't know
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: if there's really a game where it felt like, oh
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: my gosh, we just did this, If we just cleaned
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: this up, we'd be It felt it just felt like
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: we got beat the games we lost, it's just like, oh,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: we just got outside of the USC That was the
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: only one where Dylan gets hurt, and I felt like
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: we were in a decent position. The other three or four,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I guess I just I just felt like we got
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: beat out. Now Michigan I felt a little different, but
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: definitely the last three it's like, I just we're just
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: getting beat We're not we're not fumbling the ball, we're
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: not throwing dumb interceptions. We're not. Michigan kind of was
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: that way too, I mean a little bit.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I Michian was the one I was thinking of.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: But so I'll call out Jackson. He's kind of our
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: consultant here and this is out. You know his mind
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: is he just eat frustrated. Never can work here. You know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you fix one thing and the next thing goes right.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: You fix the turnovers and you fix special teams. But
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: then now this, you know O line D line goes
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: blows Well, then you'll fix that next year and then
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we'll go back to the quarterback will blow up. Like
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: while that's true, we've been playing this cycle for ten
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: years now of this thing got better and then the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: next thing falls off. If you have the foundation and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the core of a line of scrimmage, Okay, then some
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: of those other things will ebb and flow, yes, But
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: if you have a consistent core in a in that piece,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you will be better off in every other aspect of
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the game. And that is what I That is what
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: those teams do right now in the Big Ten and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: why they win, why they are consistently seven eight win
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: teams with occasional blow up years of winning more than that,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: is because they have a strong line of scrimmage and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: they don't ever fall back to having four or five
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: win seasons three four five win seasons like some of
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: these other Big Ten teams do, because they build that first.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: And that's why it's so important that you have to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: understand then realize that if you're an Nebraska coach, I
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: don't I hope that's Evan didn't to Matt Rule. I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: think it's what's gonna save his job in the long term,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: but right now that's not the case. And and speaking
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of his job, and not just Matt Rule, but a
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: coach in Nebraska, I want to ask you guys, like, what,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: h what is going to keep a coach here for
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: a long period of time. I mean, yes, getting coached
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: by another school is one way you leave. But if
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: you're a coach in Nebraska right now, what what is
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: something that's going to secure your job for Like, what
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: is what is the goals? What what's your what's your
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: what's your goal as a coach? There's a program right now, Like.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I don't fully understand.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, to win games, will win games, but like
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: what's going to keep your job? You're like, if you're
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: if you're winning six games, you're not gonna get You're
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: not gonna stay here forever.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Oh I see from the administration perspective.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it would just fans expectations players coach, Like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: what what what what are you working towards?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Show for right now? Being that rule, show showing you
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: know what the problems are on your team and fix
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: that for sure. That's that's number one. Like like you've
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: been saying, d line on line, you gotta fix that
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: for sure. That's that's one one way to keep your
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: job and if you don't, your job's gone. Like that's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: that's I'm saying.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, what's your goal as a coach?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Like anywhere have come out of the season, showing that
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: you're moving forward.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I'm talking like goals like end of the year, where
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: you see yourself in the in the in the nation.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Like oh, the playoffs for sure or national title.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that to me is yes, Like if you're coaching
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: any program, right you have maybe not maybe you're doing
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, maybe maybe you're maybe you're literally doing it
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: to make best friends with with players, but like your
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: goal is to win games what Austin said, at a
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: very simplistic level, but you have a goal of being
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: consistently good, which to me is defined as competing to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: be in the playoffs and give yourself a chance to
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: win a national title. That's that's what That's what I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: think keeps a job right now anywhere.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith just gets fired at Michigan State. Michigan State
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: did not see a future with him ever getting them
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: back to an eight or nine win team and making
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. That was not going that way. Obviously u
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: CLA happened. These coaches are getting fired. Well, the guy
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: at cal Cal got fired for going seven and five
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: right this year, and Duke get seven and five in
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: the ACC champion That's that is what any Power five
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: coach and that you can have a different opinion on this,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Like any Power five coach wants their team to be
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: a contender to make the playoffs year in, year out.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Is that I mean to me, that's a true statement.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a true statement.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Matt rule. And that's why we actually had
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: about twenty five to thirty people vote in our poll.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: DAK put one out there. We put a poll out there,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: will Matt Rule ever get this team to the playoffs?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: And it was pretty resounding.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: No, it was I think it was like end up
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: being sixty two thirty eight percent. No, I don't know, Austin,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: did you voter or do you see that?
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't see that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Noll would you what would you?
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: What would you?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Would you?
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: If you is no?
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, No, there's no Maybe if you just said
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: right now, I'm giving you a three thousand dollars, you
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: can win it. If you nail this on the head,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: will Matt Rule win a playoff game or play in
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: a playoff game? In Nebraska?
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: It's really about on how long do you think he's
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: going to be here?
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: That's it all factored in, is it yes or no?
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying no, I'm gonna say now, no, no,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: because I think if you have two more years where
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: we're eighting five or eating or well, because yeah, you
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: know again next your schedule, he's going to get through
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: the next your schedule, which is the thing.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I don't let me rephrase the question a little bit too,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: because yeah, you can factor in how long you think
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: he'll be allowed to be here. Let's say you give
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: him ten years, fifteen years, then you think do you
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: think he would make you think he would make a
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: playoff game?
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, if he's yeah, if you see your ten
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: fifteen years, then obviously there's something good ten.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Or fifteen years.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying he's here. I'm not saying
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that's given. I'm saying, if you give him ten or
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: fifteen years, like right now, you cannot fire him. Okay,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: it's not ener years is not guaranteeing that he's having success.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying you can't fire him. Must add a
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: rule that says you can. I think you're forced with
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: him for fifteen years.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: One. A couple of things big to the they're going
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: to expand the playoffs. It'll happen. There's too much money,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: not too ok let's think to that to what team
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: formata right now, I do think I think within a
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: ten year period there's gonna be there would be one
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: fluke year top twelve yea.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: So that if here, here's here's how I'm looking at.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: And if people ask about Rule in his future in Nebraska,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: that's the question I'm going to just pick their brain with,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: because to me, that's that's the that's that is how
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: you can decide as an individual, whether you want him
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: here as your coach to say next year, but just
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: in the future. Austin right now would say yes, because
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: he thinks he can't. I don't think he can. I
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: don't think he I don't think he understands what we
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: talked about earlier, how to do some of the other
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: things outside of selling. So I don't think he can.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm leaning towards I wouldn't want him here,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: dak would would you say he can or cannot?
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: If you give him it was it was ten fifteen years.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, So you think Matt Rule is what you're saying, then,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: is he's going to probably you'll be able to problem
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: solve and figure out how to get the right pieces
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: together to get themselves back to the playoffs.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: For ten, for ten fteen years. And it's only because
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I think exactly what Austin said, I think it would
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: be there'd be one year in there with fluke here,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: which I'm not so I'm not like saying this guy, yes.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys, I guess maybe are positive that I
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: what fluke years aren't to me, there's not There's no
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: such thing as a fluke here. I don't think, not
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: not in college. But like when if we had a
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: fluke year in Nebraska in our lifetime, our lifetime, We've
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: never had a lifetime.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Mike Layoffs Ta Martinez, the freshman year.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: That wouldn't have made the playoffs had no fluke seasons.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: No, that was.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe say that, I just don't. I don't
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: think you will. I mean that if we get Lineman
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: and do all that in the next month and a half,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: then maybe you can change my mind on that. But
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: as of right now, I just at my I just
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: don't think he can. And you're right, it does come
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: down to what we're allowed to give him. And that's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: where some people are tired of the firing the coaches
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: and that cycle of giving someone time. I just think
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: those times are over. I really do, like in the
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: transfer portal market and in a world where you do.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: And this is why Matt Rule like what he's good at,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: this is why things can be good under him is
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: because he's a good salesman. And all you have to
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: do is sell to your players in your program, in
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the country, your style and vision, because it is people
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: can move in and out so frequently. But if you
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: don't have anything to sell and things aren't going well,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it's not good. So that that, that to me, is
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: why I don't I don't know. I I'm okay with
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: getting in a new up and comer and trying it
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: for a few years and if it doesn't work, then
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: move on to the next guy. I don't think money
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: is a big issue, and people always complain, oh, we're
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: paying coach X, Y and Z, We're still paying them
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: for their by Yeah, I don't think that's as big
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: a deal. Now. Maybe it is a little more now
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: that you gotta pay players, So maybe that isn't something
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: you get a factor in. But that is where that's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: that That was the point of that question in that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: real future, not that that's gonna be a huge topic
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: of conversation yet.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: But I think he's not in the hot seat yet.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: But next season is it's warming.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Agreed, and and and and yeah and and like my opinion,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I just I just don't. This schedule is tougher unless
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: we see something different with the roster to twenty twenty
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: six recruiting class is not good to me, just does not.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to make the excuse that
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: we're young and we have young talent coming up every year.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: People are going to figure that out, Like I am already,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Like it's an excuse to me a little bit in
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: year three like this, that's your job to bring in
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: either veteran talent from the portal or developed guys that
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: were young in your first year, Like that's what you
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: should be doing. So that's not really a good excuse
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: to me in year three anymore.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And he hasn't. He has not proven to to fix
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: the parts where where you know in NEBRASKI needs to
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: be fixed, Like I.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Don't know if that's true. He's he fixed the turnovers,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: he fixed special teams, special teams. He's am Like I say,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: there's been no that I mean diserved. It has been
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: no improvement Obviously, we've made two Bowl games in a year,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: which hadn't happened just eight seasons. So it's not to
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: say that the worst coach in the world and deserve
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: to be fired after three.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Right, those tums almost offset with how much the defense
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: in offensive lines just went are that much downhill right now?
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Like I don't the offensive line wasn't worse than last year.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think they had their moments, but last year
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: they had their moments too. I have heard another podcast
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: talk about it, like our offensive line kind of came
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: back a little bit back around the last couple of games.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: We just decided to run the ball. But I think
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: that part of it was is we're just gonna run
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: the ball. We don't need to pass protect, we don't need.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: To hello philosophy style like that that I run blocking
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: is another Jackson comment. Run blocking, I think is a
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: lot easier, a little more to get your mentality right
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: than pass blocking.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Because we're blocking. You're trying, Yeah, exactly, you're trying. You're
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: the one making the decisions asn't supposed to be in reactionary.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you go ahead. But but like I said, with
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: offsets the offense, I mean it's still it's still terrible offensive.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I think it's not.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Terrible is a strong word.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I three or four out of ten.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good. And that's that's something that coming
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: out of last year too, though, we're saying, hey, you
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: gotta fix this, and then you go bring in these
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: transfer porter guys. Spindler was good, good, but these other guys,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: like what, what has he proven that he can find
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: the right talent from the portal and all this recruiting,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: all this find the right talent that's gonna help the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: team win. He has not proven that one bit yet.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the part of Yeah, you can sell
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: your program and your vision to anybody, but you got
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: to make sure they're the right people. Yeah, Spindler I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: think helped our offensive line a lot. Justin Evans was
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: developed into a pretty good offensive lineman. Preach it. I
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I'm torn on him. I think there's still raw talent there.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know that we saw that better.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I think he got better as the season went on.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Yeaheah, Like it's a tough one. We spent a lot
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: of money on him.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: He'd probably want to bring back and developed for a year,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: and I think that he would be good enough.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Here we're talking about good, good enough, not bad. I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: saw it stat summer. I don't. It's something about our
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Offensive lineman in the NFL drafted to the NFL,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: like in the last so many years, we haven't had
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: one a long time. So we have these like good
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: enough guys. These guys are okay, we don't. We don't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: have elite offensive linemen either. We haven't had one for
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: a long time, and.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: We used to.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: That used to be one area where we would always
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: be like Spencer Long, God, he sucks Nebraska. Then he'd
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: go on and have a twelve year career in the NFL,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: like they were pretty damn good. Mats Lawson another one
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: that we would be at, Mats Lawson's horrible, right, He's terrible.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Then he went on the NFL and played for nine years.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Like these guys were pretty damn good offensive We would
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: take Mats Lawson and Spencer Long and some of these
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: games we would take them back in a heartbeat right
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: now for offensive lineman. That that kind of shows how
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: far that position has taken a step back from the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: lack of focus.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Now, Bill Callahan, I say, do we do a little
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Mike Geckler action, get rid of Donny Riola and try
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: to bring in Bill Callahan for a year or two.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Here we go, like he's he's he's a definition of
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: a very very like one of the better offensive line coaches.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: And he's proven that at multiple places. Not a head
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: coach obviously, but good offensive line coach. So yeah, like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: that is a big thing as far as bringing players
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: in here. And and like I said, when people start
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: talking to me about all this other stuff on Nebraska football,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I just I'm responding with who cares get offensive lineman
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: defensive lineman? Like that's my mentality right now until even
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: when it comes to bowl game conversation. Now, this podcast
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: is going to be the place where we can I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: can express my thoughts elsewhere, But all the other conversation
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I think is wasted right now until you define that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: for the Matt rule, like it's it's not we're talking
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: about to me, because that that, to me, is what's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: going to define its future in the next year, especially
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: at Nebraska.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. Those are those are the and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: I mean everyone went offensive lineman, defensive linemen and the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: good ones don't leave you.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: But I'm talking next level like and.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: There's no That's what I'm saying, there's not a lot
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: of those ones out there to be grabbed.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Like they're just go make guy. I would just say,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: go make them, like, spend extra money and dollars on
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: getting those guys. And I we we could go on
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: for another half hour on the allocation of dollars and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and we you know, we can talk. We have quarterbacks
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: to talk about, emmant to talk about. We can maybe
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: do that next podcast, and then.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: There's time to talk defensive coordinator. This week we got
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: to talk basketball and volleyball.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: We are going to talk defensive coordinator because that did happen.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I Dak's been preparing a lot for this next little,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: little little segment here, John Butler, we we mentioned it.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: If you follow in a Brest football you p rightly
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: know we got fired. Matt Rule's now hiring a new
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. I saw you a b posted their uh
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: head football coach on LinkedIn yesterday. Was just kind of
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: funny something you know so coaches right now. The point
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: is coaches are also in a carousel of moving around,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: so I thought it would be kind of fun take
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: a little break from football, and let's let's let's see
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: what Dak knows about football and as a leader and everything. Dak,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce you as Matt Rule, as the new
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator to Unbraska football team. And this is your
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: first opportunity to speak to the team. So I gotta
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: get my Matt real voice voice ready here, Dak's gonna
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: get hired, and then I'll let them go. So Austin,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Austin's Austin's Austin's a linebacker, Dak, I'll role play pitch
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: it to Austin. He's a linebacker coming in next year's team.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: So hey, hey guys, this is uh been a tough year.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I think we got a lot of progress,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: but uh, unfortunately we had to get rid of head
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: coach John Butler or defensive coordinator John Butler from the staff.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Things weren't moving in the right direction, so I always
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: had to move in a new route. And I'd like
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: to interview you to our our new defensive coordinator, dakodea
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: free tech.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: All right, well, I'm glad to beat Nebraska. That's that's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: that's number one here. Now, now let's dive into this
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: first step. First, here. There's no I in team, but
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: there isn't win. I make this team win. All right,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: here we go. Enough of this bull craft. This last
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: guy sucks. He he knew what the problem was the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: whole time with D line. The run game can stop
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: run game one bit. We're gonna get guys on D
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: line here, big old boys, three hundred pounds, four and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: pounds for whatever they need. We're gonna stop that run,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: stop that run game. We're gonna get pressure on the quarterback.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: That was another big thing. No pressure quarterback last year
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: at all. And we're gonna fix this team from within.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm I'm tired of hearing about all we got
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: all these transfer portal guys whatever, and all these guys left,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: not that bull crap. We're gonna bring in the guys
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I want, which is big dues on D line, fast
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: linebackers were You know, I'm just gonna tell to the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: other teams and try to stop it. We're gonna send
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: the house a lot like plays. We're gonna be blitzing were.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I don't care if we get burned deep. We're blitzing.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: We're gonna hit your quarterback. And you know what we're
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: We're gonna play a little dirty. There's gonna be some
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: cheap shots here and there. We're gonna make teams not
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: want to play us.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: And that's.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, Coach, I'll go coach, coach freak tag Uh sorry,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I think we made the wrong decision. Let's kid, all right,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: positions back open?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Do you gotta go? You don't want to blitz ninet
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: percent of the time?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: No, you just that you didn't sell at all anything
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to me as a player, as a as a head
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: coach of what what you're gonna believe in.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: This seems like someone who's never coached football before.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I don't even need to comment on that. Did he
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: did he sell to you as a linebacker on the team.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't buy it. Well, as a linebacker does
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: something like a roll. It's just just gonna hire some
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: five hundred pound people to sit in the middle of.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: A U.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, often you can go. Then we'll go
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: find another We'll go find a better guy.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Pack Louie.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, see, you you gotts suck get out of here.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Especially his Colorado is also bad.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you got a lineman. You probably
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: can't tell him like this, but I'd say Hey, you
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: guys suck get out of here, Like we're gonna bring
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: in different people.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: I was just thinking about remember the Keona Davis, like,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: we got to keep this guy. We can't let this
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: guy go in the portal. He's like probably like the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: eleventh leeting tackler on the team.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Yep and Van Poppol those two ke Davis, Like, man,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: what did they do? That?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: A whole lot?
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Uh real quick, we'll mention it after volleyball Big ten Champs,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Big Ten Champs undefeated finished that off regional start this week.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: For all Big ten players, Big Ten Set of the Year,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Big Ten Player of the Year, Berg and Riley sneaking
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: in there. No one had that one coming into the air.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: No, like, what a year. Chance here in the next
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: few weeks to finish off the year as you should
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: given the year that you've had, and there's no reason
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: to think that they shouldn't win the national championship. I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: saw someone list off the potential path of teams, you know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: ending obviously at the end with I believe we're on
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: the opposite side of Kentucky and Texas, who were kind
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: of the one seeds to be in the national title
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: potentially and then you can back your way out to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even know who. I was thinking it was Pittsburgh.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe one of a Pitts for the two seed in
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: our bracket is Oh geez, I just blanked. Kansas is
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: not a Kentucky.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I just said there on Louisville. Yeah, so you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: can back your way into that. But I think region
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: will start here this week against Long Beach is our
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: sixteen seed, and Kansas State and San Diego.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: What do you believe? Well, what are you putting the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: odds on that Long Beach game is gonna be a sweep?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Well, this is Long Beach's head coach still, Tyler Hildebrand.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, actually a great question. I don't know, could be
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: former former co co or whatever, assistant head coach. That's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: actually a good point. I kind of forgot he went there.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: It'd be a reason why they would put that matchup,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: I mean you could tell that the people building in
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: the bracket they're like, we want we want Danny to
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: beat Louisville. Well throw it, maybe.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: I thought I think he's still Rose State is kind
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: of like a local rivalry, And yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I think Kansas is in our bracket too. Oh, that's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: not for the bracket. There we go.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: They do that a little bit more in volleyball too,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: because they do it in basketball as well, but there's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: a lot less scrutiny I think in volleyball, so their
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: ability to get away with it and not like take
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: them out the crap for it.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for basketball, they the same thing with A and M.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I think when the Brass played damn. So yeah, it's.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Trying to find long.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Oh it's a long island. I think he went to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Long Beach.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: Oh it is Long Island.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went Long Beach, different California. Oh it could
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: be long.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Well. Fans when they come here, uh, I think basketball.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Were we got we will spend a lot more time
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: talking about them here. But it is it would be
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: nice to talk about him here for a while, being
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: eight and o for the first time and a long time, don't.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the status on when the last
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: time Nebraska was eight. No, but it has to have
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: been not in our lifetime.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then they but then they throw a nice
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: kick to the balls right after the Iowa game, losing
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: losing the Siegeon. That's nothing. Nothing can always go too
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: good for Nebraska.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Back I was trying to keep this positive here, but
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: thanks for throwing that in there. Yes, the season is
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: out for the year. Uh heading into Creighton on on Sunday,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: where I would I think we're probably going to be
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: favored at home. Yeah, Creighton. Creighton's looked okay, They've lost
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: a couple of games. They've also played a few tougher
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: teams than we have. But it's gonna be a good
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: game regardless. They're talking to one of the bigger games
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: UH at PBA in its history, given the stakes that A.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, you win this game, you're going to be ranked,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't want to be ranked. But we're right
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  Speaker 1: outside the top twenty five right now as eight no,
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  Speaker 1: which we should be, and big opportunity here heading into
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  Speaker 1: great and week. We also play Wisconsin next Wednesday, which
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: is crazy that conference basketball is already here, but we are,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to start to see what kind of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: team we are, what of depth we have for the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Big Ten non conference is at worst we're losing one game,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is exceeding a lot of people stops. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's been a very good start of the year.
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  Speaker 3: That's the It's funny because the amount of money we
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: dumped into football. We have our The other three of
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: the Big four are all undefeated thus far in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty five, I should twenty five. Yeah, this calendar, this
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  Speaker 3: this scholarly a year, I should say women's, men's, and
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  Speaker 3: volleyball are all undefeated. So good thing to put all
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: that money to football.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a second, I just thought about this throw back
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: the football just a little bit with basketball too. This
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: is gonna be weren't I wasn't on this podcast back then,
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  Speaker 2: But weren't you guys ready to get rid of Hoiberg
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  Speaker 2: after your three like didn't see the trajectory or anything.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: Nope, we were. We We talked about hot seat. But
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: every at the end of every season, he kind of
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: saves himself by going on a run.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm saying he's a better he is a better
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: coach and rule is for football. But but that could
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  Speaker 2: be one hope there is that he turned that program
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: or turned this program around.
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  Speaker 3: There was I think there was some talk last year
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  Speaker 3: maybe when he went on that like or two years ago,
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  Speaker 3: where it's like, maybe it's time we look at, you know,
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  Speaker 3: some of the other big names out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still I have a different angle on this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still talking. I'm Hoiberg has not saved his job
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  Speaker 1: yet this year. For me, he's on his way.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get to a tournament game this year. Okay, I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: don't want him here anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how I think. That's how we ended last
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: year was like this year's tournament or bust no tournament.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that keep in mind too, year three in
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  Speaker 1: Heiberg was not him turning a program around. Okay, it
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: was his He failed the program year was one and two. Yeah,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: so your your take on him, like ten miles, Remember
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: he got to a tournament in twenty fourteen, right, like
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: his his tenure got stagnant after a couple of years,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: a year or two after. I can't remember if it
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: was one year or two years after. It was only
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: one year. We didn't make the tournament after twenty fourteen.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly how many years it was after.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, that's why he kind of got let go
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  Speaker 1: and fired. And then heiber took over and it fell
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: off even more for the first few years.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And we've we've talked about why that was. He had
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: a very different vision style and it was not working
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: and he changed it, and now things have been moving.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Now now we're back to I would say where Miles was,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't for him to stay here long term,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Like it's got to go the next step and make
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: a tournament and win a tournament game, Like I do
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: not want to coach here that if we're not winning
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: a tournament game after freaking fifteen years, why is he
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: still here. He shouldn't be here, he should be having
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: somebody else. So so you don't know, you're you're a
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: little smart comment here trying to get us is incorrect.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, it's been.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Better, be better.
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  Speaker 3: He'd beats ranked teams. You know. That's it's just the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: justas football. It's just like again, I agree he like,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta make a tournament game. You have to. Yeah,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: you just feel you feel better, You just feel better
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: about Fred.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: But you do you feel like I feel you feel
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: decent about the year? I like Big ten season. We're
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna see, like we'll find out the African,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: We'll see how important Connor is.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, yeah, there's still plenty of time for the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: wheels to fall off. But Sunday's game, I have a
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: couple of say this. I think it's not kind of
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: that A and M game, tournament game. I think it's
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: the biggest game Hoiberg's had in his tenure.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not super worried about Connor Siegons loss. I don't know,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but he's averaging fourteen minutes a game,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: five points a game. I just don't know. If he's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: a bad defender, he's a bad defender. Yeah, I thought
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: I was, like, I was more worried about our depth
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: because we're going and really playing seven deep than I
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: mean even that's the stretch, So we're we're thinner now.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: But in theory, we have some guys that might be
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: able to fill a fourteen minute, five point void.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe I think Connor Connor's production would have won won
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: US one or two games in the Big Ten, because
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: he would have a couple of games where he would
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: just go off. He did last year, and he's just
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: he's an addage shooting threat on the court that you
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: have to guard him. And yes, he has not shot
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: at great, he has not scored much so far this year.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: He would have popped off for a couple of games
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: this year and probably would have won us a couple
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: of games because he can shoot the ball. That's where
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna miss him, which, you know, what
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: one to two games might be the difference in making
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: an NCAA tournament game or not. So that's where I'm
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: it's we're not missing his defense, Like we're probably gonna
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: get better because of that with whoever comes in and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: plays instead of him. But that's where I think we
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: could see a little bit of a miss for him.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying we won't miss him at all,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: but I don't think that when you look at if
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: we don't make a term of game, like well, if
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Connor's seagon was healthy this year, we probably would have
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's where we're gonna be.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they just need they really need Kennel Blue
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: now stuff up and those other guards. But but yeah,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be those it's gonna be those hot stretches
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: that you miss where the team's falling are kind of
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: like stagnant where he would knock that a couple of
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: threes and get him out of it. But and he
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: and he kinds of seemed like an energy guy too,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: like when he came in it gets it gets the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: whole team going. I guess when he when he would
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: come in and knock those down.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Yeah, I think he's kind of soft. I don't
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: know he's he's not Joe on Gary. No, No, he's
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: he's he's easily he's soft.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: In my mind. Instagram boy.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, long episode, That's okay. We had a lot
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: to talk about.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: I still have opinions about the defensive coordinator stuff. We
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: waited too long. Next week.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: About hiring me or not not?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: You definitely not you definitely not hiring that. I have
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: opinions about Matt rules structures.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe we'll have we might have an answer. I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: don't know what we'll have by next week.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: We should have some names out there by next podcast happen.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you know what, here's what you can do.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Do a little model and we'll post it on the podcast.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Send me a monologue, all right.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: Rolls around Phil Snow's role as the whatever the hell
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: Phil Snow does?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Okay, we'll be back next week. Maybe here
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: in a model ogue from Boston.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: You'll be gred TV are You'll be great
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Trip Oh