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The Big Issues - Tuesday 15 June 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Hello, Katy Wolf and three point sixty online at Mixed
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Speaker 2: You you are listening to Mix one O four point
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Speaker 2: nine's three sixty and I'll tell you what we're about
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Speaker 2: to start, the Big Issues and a big thanks to
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Speaker 2: Well Kolano Community Association and Aborigin Alone to operate it
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Speaker 2: and community lead organization from the top end to Tenant
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Speaker 2: Creek and Well joining us in the studio this morning.
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Speaker 3: We have got Dave Tolner, Good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning, Katie. I don't know who the hell
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Speaker 4: it is sitting with us.
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Speaker 2: Well, Davian Haile is a way so Kenny man, it's
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Speaker 2: stepped in.
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Speaker 5: Hello people.
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Speaker 4: It's not even a shadow on highly.
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Speaker 6: Enough.
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Speaker 2: We can call it the Big Issues because Kenny's lost day,
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Speaker 2: bucket load of.
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Speaker 7: Weight, unbelievable, been running Saturday because I've gone You're arrogant, bastard,
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Speaker 7: I said, ain't.
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Speaker 4: You all your life? Another person to the list, So
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Speaker 4: I didn't like you. There's just less of your like.
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Speaker 5: Incognito at the moment.
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Speaker 7: Why have your lost Kenny, I'd be in the forty
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Speaker 7: odd kilos. It's been a five six years.
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Speaker 5: Je probably longer.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, for the first time in my life. I don't
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Speaker 7: get bored after fifteen minutes of running or things like that.
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Speaker 7: But I just my dad died at fifty two, or
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Speaker 7: my mum's brothers in the fifties. I said, by fifty
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Speaker 7: I need to be fit just to give myself a chance.
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Speaker 8: I take all the boxes for those people listening. I mean,
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Speaker 8: but you know, if you haven't seen Kenneth for a little.
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Speaker 3: While, he's lost a bucket light away.
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Speaker 8: He really is almost he's fit, and you know he's
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Speaker 8: looking ripped, ripped.
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Speaker 5: Anyway.
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Speaker 4: My number is he's not a shadow on hard you'd
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Speaker 4: have to run around the bath to get wet.
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Speaker 5: You probably look at me and going.
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Speaker 4: Rarely struggling to fit in the bard.
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Speaker 3: He'll be back and.
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Speaker 4: He's probably listening, wouldn't get.
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Speaker 2: Well, Hey, let's get into it, and I tell you
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Speaker 2: there is some very serious stuff to cover this morning.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go firstly to the situation at the
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Speaker 2: Fink Desert Race.
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Speaker 3: We know that well.
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Speaker 2: The NT News is reporting that this man was an
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Speaker 2: amateur photographer who extended his holiday to be track site
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Speaker 2: at the Fink Desert Race, was tragically killed when a
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Speaker 2: vehicle veered off the road and into spectators.
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Speaker 3: The man was in his sixties.
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Speaker 2: He died instantly on impact when he was struck by
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Speaker 2: the vehicle about nine thirty five yesterday. The man from
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Speaker 2: the act was on holidays photographing the vehicles as they
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Speaker 2: traveled over the crest of a hill about thirty five
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Speaker 2: kilometers from the finish line. We know another male spectator
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Speaker 2: in his fifties sustained serious injuries and was taken to
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Speaker 2: Alice Springs Hospital. He'll be flown to the Royal Adelaide
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Speaker 2: Hospital today. And a woman in her fifties, the navigator
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Speaker 2: of that vehicle, sustained minor injuries as.
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Speaker 3: A result of the craft.
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Speaker 2: I did catch up with the paramedics earlier this morning,
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Speaker 2: and look, my understanding is that this is the first
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Speaker 2: time that we've had such a serious, well serious situation
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Speaker 2: unfold at the Pink Desert Race with involving spectators.
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Speaker 3: I could be wrong.
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Speaker 2: We know that it is a dangerous sport, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: it is a real tragedy, There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Look, Katie, I was actually down to think. I just
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Speaker 7: drove back last night, so I didn't you know. I
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Speaker 7: was commenting to my friend in the car about what
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Speaker 7: a great day I had on the Sunday, like the
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Speaker 7: star and the families everywhere. All I know, we went
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Speaker 7: drove past that that thirty five k's because everybody camps
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Speaker 7: all the way down ninety. They haven't got their special
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Speaker 7: spots for their families. And it was interesting because my
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Speaker 7: friend said, this is a bit like mad Max here,
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Speaker 7: because you've lived got this little track and there's people,
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Speaker 7: you know, like in Europe when they do the rallies,
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Speaker 7: there's people two meters from the track camping, and I
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Speaker 7: just my own self preservation. I literally up beyond a
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Speaker 7: tree to go well over in motorbix most of my life.
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Speaker 7: I know, you know it's aroound to kill grand bike.
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Speaker 7: A one hundred kilos is going to cause some damage.
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Speaker 7: But I absolutely do not want to see this canceled.
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Speaker 7: I know, I think it's a you know, it's a sad,
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Speaker 7: sad thing. Of course, it's a fantastic event, and you
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Speaker 7: know there's going to be reviewed, which is always a
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Speaker 7: good thing about safety, simple as that. But you know,
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Speaker 7: I would not like to see it canceled. My heart,
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Speaker 7: and so I'll go out to the you know, the
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Speaker 7: families of the deceased and the people struggling now in
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Speaker 7: the hospitals. And although all the events and organizing volunteers
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Speaker 7: that go down and spend all their time to make
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Speaker 7: this event such a big.
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Speaker 5: Thing, and I'll tell you it is a massive thing
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Speaker 5: down there.
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Speaker 7: It's just it was just so good to see kids
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Speaker 7: and you know, not on iPads everywhere, everybody enjoying themselves.
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Speaker 5: But tragedy is a tragedy, yea sad.
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Speaker 8: I think it's absolutely terrible, and you know, the thing
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Speaker 8: is one of those iconic events in the Northern Territory,
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Speaker 8: so I'd find it unlikely that it'd be canceled. And
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Speaker 8: a course, motorsport the world over is incredibly dangerous. You know,
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Speaker 8: if you go back a few decades, it was more
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Speaker 8: the norm that somebody would be hurt or killed in
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Speaker 8: matter sport than than not. And you know that the
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Speaker 8: sport I think has taken huge leaps in safety and
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Speaker 8: looking after competitors, you know, in the decades gone by.
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Speaker 8: But yeah, you know, accidents will happen, and of course
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Speaker 8: there's got to be an inquiry and a bit of
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Speaker 8: a review understand what went wrong, how we can make
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Speaker 8: the event safer. But it'd be a damn shame to
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Speaker 8: see it canceled because of this, and I'm certain that
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Speaker 8: all of those people in Vold wouldn't want to see
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Speaker 8: the race canceled as a result.
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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, and I think that obviously
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Speaker 2: the police are conducting their investigation into exactly what unfolded.
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Speaker 2: I know that they have asked for witnesses to go
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Speaker 2: forward and say what they've seen. But definitely you would
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Speaker 2: expect a pretty robust investigation that happened.
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Speaker 8: It's one of those events. It's a huge participation event people.
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Speaker 8: You know, it's not just professionals, you know, professional riders
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Speaker 8: and drivers that are involved in that. You get a
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Speaker 8: range of amateurs that go down there and have a go.
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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, coming out of the Parliament we've
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Speaker 8: seen plenty of parliamentarians who've participated in.
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Speaker 5: Actually mentioned about how Peter Toyn got away with it.
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Speaker 8: Mister h there was few of them that John Elfrek
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Speaker 8: ever missed. Jared Mayley, of course in there now, has
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Speaker 8: been a regular participant in.
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Speaker 5: I think he's Peter Toyn.
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Speaker 7: It was the directions minister, and he got the prisoners
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Speaker 7: to build the truck and maintain the truck and sometimes
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Speaker 7: you can't find as a minister and somebody wants to
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Speaker 7: write about it just to stick you up a bit
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Speaker 7: and going down and do it fantastic because it meant
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Speaker 7: so much of those mechanics.
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Speaker 8: I always had a laugh at Ross Bowl and and
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Speaker 8: you would remember Ross, you know, in the Parliament. No,
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Speaker 8: he wasn't a bad fellow. He's a top feller actually,
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Speaker 8: but mad on motorsport, absolutely mad.
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Speaker 4: He's I think that's what he's doing now.
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Speaker 8: He's working on vehicles and that, and you know he's
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Speaker 8: as close to a professionalist a territory has probably produced.
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Speaker 8: And oddly enough he never finished think which he really
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Speaker 8: irritated the hell out of him, given that John Lfriink.
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Speaker 4: Jared Mayley and others that all competed and finished. I
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Speaker 4: was not aware of that.
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Speaker 7: I was a.
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Speaker 5: Thousand other males, females and kids out there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, would love.
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Speaker 7: To twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 3: You've got a quick you've got.
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Speaker 8: A quick bike or a quick buggy, you know, I
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Speaker 8: think is a wonderful place to go and race it.
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Speaker 7: For that day because you're talking about the amateurs coming,
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Speaker 7: you know, people, if you're not aware that you know,
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Speaker 7: the top ten from last year go first, and the
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Speaker 7: cars and the bikes and all that. So you see
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Speaker 7: this marked difference, you know, the motorbikes just around the corner,
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Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty clicks flipping out
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Speaker 7: and then in the end you just see And I
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Speaker 7: was like, you can hear the difference in the motors
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Speaker 7: because you know, I love my motocross, And I said,
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Speaker 7: but just look at the bellies. That's right, that's the different.
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Speaker 7: And the last half there's more wrobble. He's going on
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Speaker 7: everywhere and slowing down. I thought this is great because
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Speaker 7: there's all his families around, were right, yes, Dad.
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Speaker 5: And yeah it's right, all their friends and supporters, and
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Speaker 5: there's so many locals and it is.
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Speaker 2: An amazing thing for Central Australia. You know, you see
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Speaker 2: the whole town. Just get into it. Everybody's so excited
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Speaker 2: when it gets to her to think race time. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: as we know, there will indeed be a full investigation.
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Speaker 2: I want to take you across to this story which
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Speaker 2: is capturing headlines all around the nation, and it's our
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Speaker 2: Australian swimming squad. A photograph has emerged of a male
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Speaker 2: swimmer who was made to wear girls toggs as a
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Speaker 2: punishment for swimming slow at an elite Australian squad training session.
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Speaker 2: The squad is coached by an Olympic coach and dealite
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Speaker 2: swimmers were in the pool at the time. It is
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Speaker 2: part of a full investigation really that is underway. We
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Speaker 2: know that Swimming Australia's bored met yesterday to discuss allegations
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Speaker 2: of a toxic culture in the sport, and since Olympic
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Speaker 2: swimmer will the silver medallist Maddie Groves announced that she
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Speaker 2: would not complete not compete, I should say at the
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Speaker 2: Australian Olympic trials, citing misogynistic perverts in the sport. A
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Speaker 2: number of allegations around an allegedly bullying coaching culture have
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Speaker 2: also been made. I mean, it's pretty bad, Like you
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Speaker 2: would not I've got to say, I've grown up in
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Speaker 2: the swimming pool. My dad was a swimming coach and
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Speaker 2: I would not have expected like some of the stuff
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Speaker 2: that they're coming out sort of saying, you know, particularly
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Speaker 2: with her saying that there's a misogynistic.
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Speaker 3: Culture, it is a pretty bad situation.
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Speaker 8: I mean, a misogynistic culture is one of those easy
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Speaker 8: ga two things.
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a misologic, fantastic culture everywhere.
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Speaker 5: In the league.
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Speaker 2: Believe if you like, making one of the on a
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Speaker 2: pair of girls swimming togs and.
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Speaker 3: To train like a girl.
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Speaker 5: Gone and punched him in the face. Stay sorry, hate so.
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Speaker 4: Straight up he'd laugh at you. Turn it up maybe
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Speaker 4: a few years ago.
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Speaker 7: Seriously, I do anything for as we do for our
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Speaker 7: children and our family that we love it and care for.
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Speaker 5: But that is just as obviously.
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Speaker 7: Dave has been an athlete as well as I have,
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Speaker 7: and just a parent. It's just out bloody rageous, like
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Speaker 7: that's just you should be sacked and just banned forever,
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Speaker 7: like you do.
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Speaker 3: Just think to yourself, I love to me.
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Speaker 2: I'm sort of surprised that it's obviously been happening for
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Speaker 2: quite some time and no one's kind of had the
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Speaker 2: guts to say anything.
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Speaker 3: Well, no one's come out and say anything.
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Speaker 8: You're rolling a grade too, isn't like this sort of
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Speaker 8: like grade too? This is what sort of kids in
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Speaker 8: grade to do? You know, I mean, you know you
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Speaker 8: don't expect this sort of behavior from adults. Well, and
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Speaker 8: it's like that bloody teacher in Victoria the school in
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Speaker 8: Victoria that demanded all the boys stand up and apologized
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Speaker 8: for their gender.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think this is very different.
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Speaker 2: I think you're actually talking about him and feeling unlike,
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Speaker 2: you know, feeling very uncomfortable with me.
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Speaker 8: You just sit there and you sit there and you go,
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Speaker 8: what motivates these type of behavior, Well, that's a I'm.
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Speaker 5: Going to put you in a girls because you swim
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Speaker 5: like a girl.
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Speaker 3: Feel proud.
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Speaker 7: I'm happy for my nieces, my little niece that swim
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Speaker 7: better than me, as long as he's out down on
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Speaker 7: there can jump it and through.
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Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, we are talking
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Speaker 2: about sort of a culture within a sport.
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Speaker 3: It's like swimming. You sort of, like I said, right from.
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Speaker 2: The get go, I wouldn't expect that there's kind of
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Speaker 2: that sort of culture within within swimming. You would anticipate that,
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Speaker 2: given the that it's both genders, that it would be
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Speaker 2: pretty fair.
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Speaker 8: I do have to say, you know, having mane a
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Speaker 8: couple of elite sports people in your life, and particularly swimmers.
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Speaker 8: I went to school with Duncan Armstrong and a couple
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Speaker 8: of other gold medalists, and you know those people as kids,
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Speaker 8: it is the most serious going they're up, but you know,
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Speaker 8: Sparrow's fat every morning and in the swimming pool before
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Speaker 8: they get to school, aren't you how they're generally in
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Speaker 8: the swimming pool after school, they're in the swimming pool.
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Speaker 8: And it's not a hobby, it's not It is something
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Speaker 8: that it's a hard, hard slog and the people that
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Speaker 8: are involved, the coaches and all of that, they're serious,
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Speaker 8: serious people. And you know, this is obviously a case
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Speaker 8: where people have just taken it too far. But for
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Speaker 8: the average person to undertake that sort of lifestyle is
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Speaker 8: just you know, it's unthinkable anywhere. You know, who wants
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Speaker 8: to do it? Who is that hungry for a gold
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Speaker 8: medal that they're going to do that when you know,
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Speaker 8: at twelve thirteen years old, when these kids start off,
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Speaker 8: you know, it's just I'm just I'm.
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Speaker 7: Just offended for everybody that, you know, the whole swimming fraternity,
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Speaker 7: because you know.
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Speaker 8: A wonderful thing about these labour types, they're always afeended for.
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Speaker 7: Just jump in and so you can't finish your sentence
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Speaker 7: a bit what you're trying to say, Come on, Dave, what.
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to say.
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Speaker 4: So you're probably afforded by that offended. Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 4: You know I went.
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Speaker 5: I worked for a while in the Department of Sport
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Speaker 5: and Record.
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Speaker 7: I was going around to clubs talking about their roles
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Speaker 7: and responsibilities as board members and all these things, and
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Speaker 7: also as a coach and talking to the coaches saying,
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Speaker 7: we've got these things non inclusive bullying. You know the
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Speaker 7: old days are you Yeah, I'll pick you two captains,
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Speaker 7: pick yes now because you always pick the person who's last,
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Speaker 7: who's never good, and so you always they always feel
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Speaker 7: crap and it's not good.
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Speaker 5: So it's not inclusive bullying now.
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Speaker 7: So no, And that's why teachers are change and gone
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Speaker 7: one two one two one two one two. Don't have
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Speaker 7: that The worst athlete or the worst person picks last
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Speaker 7: and they just feel terrible.
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Speaker 4: Look, people are going to feel terrible, matey don't.
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Speaker 7: But this is about trying to I've just had a
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Speaker 7: coach this point of view. I think it's absolutely disgusting.
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Speaker 7: But an elite coaching, which I have been an elite coach,
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Speaker 7: it would have come from some weird, strange place where
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Speaker 7: I think Dave's trying to get to from this coach
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Speaker 7: to say, what's going to give you inspiration? And incentive
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Speaker 7: to try work harder, well, embarrassing him.
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Speaker 5: I think that's probably a life problem.
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Speaker 7: And if she's charging that coach, I reckon with all
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Speaker 7: the psychology bills over the rest of his life.
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Speaker 2: Well, according to Grumpy, one of our listeners, he said,
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Speaker 2: the kid's mum has said that the pictures three years
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Speaker 2: old and he chose to wear the swimsuit.
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Speaker 3: I'll take that on board, Grumpy.
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Speaker 2: But look, the thing is, you know, the thing is
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Speaker 2: here is that we have You've actually got one of
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Speaker 2: our elite swimmers who's saying that she refuses to swim
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Speaker 2: because of you know, of this culture, which I think,
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Speaker 2: whether we like it or not, we've got to take
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Speaker 2: it on board of a situation. You know, at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, you want the best possible team,
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Speaker 2: and if you've got some of your best possible swimmers
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Speaker 2: not feeling comfortable about being part of that team.
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Speaker 3: Then you've got to ask questions.
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Speaker 5: What homes have changed and some people haven't.
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Speaker 6: Hey, I will say that, I will though tell you,
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Speaker 6: I will tell you that our swimmers.
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Speaker 3: Are doing a tremendous job.
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Speaker 2: Though at the moment, Yeah, Ariana Tiitmas has announced herself
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Speaker 2: as one of the hottest swimmers in the world, with
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Speaker 2: the second fastest swimmer in history in the women's two.
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Speaker 3: Hundred meter freestyle.
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Speaker 2: Her time of one minute fifty three seconds at the
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Speaker 2: Australian Olympic Swimming Trials in Adelaide is only behind one
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Speaker 2: of the Italian swimmers, Frederica Pellegrini. And that was said
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine during the super suit era.
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Speaker 2: Tell you what, it is.
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Speaker 3: Wonderful to see our swimmers doing well again and.
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Speaker 8: Almost as good as they've ever done in the past.
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Speaker 8: This is like, this is like the hottest swim team
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Speaker 8: that we've had in history, very close to it. Well,
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Speaker 8: we've had some pretty good ones, don't get that's right.
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Speaker 8: But you know that's funny. You know, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 8: you know we're doing the best we've ever done, and
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Speaker 8: then some swimmer comes out and says, oh, they're all
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Speaker 8: a pack of misogynists.
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Speaker 3: Well do you reckon?
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Speaker 8: Let's mark ourselves down. Let's let's be embarrassed for us
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Speaker 8: swimen this day.
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Speaker 2: We should allow young women in the swimming team to
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Speaker 2: feel really uncomfortable and like it's a misogynistic culture and
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Speaker 2: just let it go.
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that it was some girl that
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Speaker 4: was dressed up as a girl.
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Speaker 2: No, it was a woman though, who's come out and
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Speaker 2: said a young female who she doesn't want to be
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Speaker 2: part of that swimming team.
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Speaker 8: Anyweah, that's right, and all of a sudden, you know,
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Speaker 8: it's just happens to be the best swimming team we've
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Speaker 8: ever produced, or one of the Olympics coming up. And
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Speaker 8: where did this stories emanate from?
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Speaker 2: Actually there was a former swimmer who's done fourteen years
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Speaker 2: of research. So it's actually not as if it's just
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Speaker 2: something that's come to light now. It's something that's done
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Speaker 2: fourteen years of research. She is a former.
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Speaker 8: Commonwealth Larissa Barent She's the one that did the races
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Speaker 8: and inquiry into Collingwood. She's done a lot of research.
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Speaker 2: Swimmers who are coming out saying that they don't feel comfortable,
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Speaker 2: And to me, I think you've got to make sure
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Speaker 2: that you.
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Speaker 8: Know if there is any champion doesn't feel comfortable, that's
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Speaker 8: what marks.
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Speaker 9: A change.
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Speaker 4: Quickly.
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Speaker 7: As a former coach, you want your best team on
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Speaker 7: the ground.
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Speaker 5: You also want about your.
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Speaker 7: Athlete management and if that's not making her perform at
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Speaker 7: her best and just come out like that, well, I'm
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Speaker 7: sure there's a lot of there's a lot of place
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Speaker 7: processes in place to make sure that she is swimming
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Speaker 7: at her optimum and maximum that's mental and physically. So
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Speaker 7: you I think what you'll see with this young lady
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Speaker 7: is that she will become a voice for the swimming fraternity.
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Speaker 7: Obviously they're coming to her because, as I said, Olympics
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Speaker 7: coming up, a lot of focus on now, and we
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Speaker 7: just want to ask womens to swim well and beat
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Speaker 7: everybody else because they have led the way for a
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Speaker 7: long long time.
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Speaker 4: I'm just waiting for the announcement where she's taken out.
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Speaker 8: Emirate's a citizenship, you know, because she's concerned about the
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Speaker 8: misogyny in Austroam.
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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, may all right, we're going to take down.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal Loon to operate
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Speaker 2: it and community lead organization from the top end to
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Speaker 2: Tenant Creek and in the studio with us this morning,
18:50
Speaker 2: we've got Dave Tolner and Kenny Vows and and well.
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Speaker 2: This story has been making headlines for quite some time now.
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Speaker 2: A family of Tamil asylum seekers haed on Christmas Island
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Speaker 2: since twenty nineteen, will be allowed to live in Perth temporarily,
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Speaker 2: but their long term future in Australia remains unclear. The
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Speaker 2: Immigration Minister, Alex Hawk, said that he had used his
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Speaker 2: powers under the Migration Act to allow the family to
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Speaker 2: live in Perth while their four year old, well, the
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Speaker 2: four year old little girl undergoes treatment in hospital. I
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Speaker 2: know that Dave may disagree with me, but I think
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Speaker 2: this is the right decision to be made and I
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Speaker 2: hope that they're allowed to stay in Australia.
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Speaker 4: With this decision.
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Speaker 8: I don't know whether they should be staying in Australia,
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Speaker 8: but you know, we've got the fact is, you know
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Speaker 8: what has been compassionate, what has turned out to be compassionate.
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Speaker 8: It is tough border policies you know, thousands and thousands
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Speaker 8: of people died at sea coming to Australia. That was
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Speaker 8: certainly not compassionate. And what we found is it's far
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Speaker 8: safer for people to go through the proper managed methods
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Speaker 8: of being a refugee. And you know, if that takes
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Speaker 8: a hard line approach, it takes a hard line approach,
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Speaker 8: but it has worked. Admittedly, there are people on the
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Speaker 8: fringes that you sit there and worry about. One is
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Speaker 8: this bill a Wheeler family? But do you undo border
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Speaker 8: security in order to keep one family happy or do
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Speaker 8: you maintain border security. I mean it's been very compassionate.
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Speaker 8: I think to allow them to go to Perth and
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Speaker 8: sit with their daughter while that she's in hospital.
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Speaker 3: Well I mean to me in fact, that she's.
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Speaker 8: Been taken Christmas Island to a large hospital well to
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Speaker 8: get treatment, I think is also very compassionate. And you
20:32
Speaker 8: need to understand all of this is being footed by
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Speaker 8: the taxpayer. It's not like Australians have put these people
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Speaker 8: out in the cold.
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Speaker 2: Let's not forget though the two little girls were born
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Speaker 2: here in Australia as well. Mister Hawk has said that
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Speaker 2: the decision showed appropriate compassion in circumstances involving children in detention,
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Speaker 2: and it says today's decision releases the family from held
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Speaker 2: detention and facilitates ongoing treatment while they pursue ongoing litigation
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Speaker 2: before the Administration of Appeals Tribunal, the Federal Court and
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Speaker 2: High Court. And importantly, today's decision does not create a
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Speaker 2: pathway to visa, is what the Minister has said, Kenny,
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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts?
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Speaker 5: Well, look, I think common sense has to prevail here
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Speaker 5: and it has. It's slowly getting there.
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Speaker 7: You know, you've got to the Prime Minister that's got
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Speaker 7: to way up, you know, vote a backlash with balancing
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Speaker 7: his stubbornness. You know, I think the right thing will
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Speaker 7: happen in the end, you know, the Prime Minister, you know,
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Speaker 7: they've done a fantastic job with the borders and I
21:30
Speaker 7: think the changes they've done over the last their term.
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Speaker 7: But they'll end up settling in Australia, for sure. I
21:38
Speaker 7: believe that, and it's the right thing to do in
21:39
Speaker 7: the community's done it. But you know I heard something
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Speaker 7: last week that at the detentions they're the only family
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Speaker 7: there and it's costing tax base six point seven million
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Speaker 7: dollars a year.
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Speaker 10: When these guys in the community get so cruel at
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Speaker 10: the start to make when you've got six point seven
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Speaker 10: million for one family, so you've all seen the footage.
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Speaker 5: Are surrounded by people.
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Speaker 7: How does that little kid get sick so badly when
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Speaker 7: there's nearly seven million, seven million dollars of taxpayers money
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Speaker 7: being spent to look after this family.
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Speaker 5: And I don't know.
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Speaker 7: I don't have an issue looking after the family, that's
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Speaker 7: the policies of the governor of the day. But how
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Speaker 7: did that job get so sick that we're in this situation?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how she's managed
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Speaker 2: to get.
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Speaker 5: Point seven million for one family.
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Speaker 3: And look for me. I think you know.
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Speaker 2: They were actually from all accounts, they were a constructive
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Speaker 2: and contributing part of the Billa Wheeler community.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 5: That's enough.
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Speaker 7: That's Australian saying there. We want them as Australians, we
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Speaker 7: accept them. Really, their children are Australians.
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Speaker 4: Come on, mate, really mean their children are Australians.
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Speaker 5: They were born in Australia.
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Speaker 8: Just because you're born in Australia doesn't make Australian if
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Speaker 8: your parents are foreigners.
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Speaker 4: Just because you're born, It doesn't make you Australia.
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Speaker 3: What happens, Yeah, but then what happens?
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Speaker 2: And if somebody commits a crime here in Australia and
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Speaker 2: they're from New Zealand or somewhere, we're more than happy
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Speaker 2: to ship them back.
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Speaker 5: Obviously asked to where.
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Speaker 2: They're born, Australia, we do well, and I don't have
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Speaker 2: an issue with that.
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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, these little girls have been
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Speaker 3: born in Australia, So then what are we.
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Speaker 4: Coming over? Who cares they're born?
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Speaker 7: And then you get the chance, If you get the chances,
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Speaker 7: come to this amazing country. And anybody's traveled anywhere outside.
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Speaker 8: Of Australia, come come, come to this country, get knocked up,
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Speaker 8: have a kid born in Australia automatically be granted bloody
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Speaker 8: permanent residence.
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Speaker 7: It's not You've got to be contributing to the community.
23:47
Speaker 7: You've got to be accepted by the community. It's good
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Speaker 7: process put in place. Look, I'm not some you know,
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Speaker 7: come here and take over this country.
23:54
Speaker 5: We need skilled workers.
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Speaker 7: There's so many people were missing out on and I
23:58
Speaker 7: think we should open up a little bit more or
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Speaker 7: to say, hey, you know, we've got I mean, I
24:03
Speaker 7: know we've got COVID going on all that, but just
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Speaker 7: open up and say, let's target some countries where we
24:07
Speaker 7: need these skilled workers. About we have been doing. But
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Speaker 7: the reality is these children are Australians. They're born here,
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Speaker 7: they're austrained. And the last thing we want to see
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Speaker 7: because the other side of this is that now with
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Speaker 7: all this media attention, there's no way they can go
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Speaker 7: back to Srilanka without.
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Speaker 5: Being victim victimized.
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Speaker 7: You see this, and this is where I think the
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Speaker 7: visa is going to come in with our saying we
24:29
Speaker 7: can't for your own safety.
24:31
Speaker 8: See this is the thing you know that these labor
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Speaker 8: types he's left. He say, all want a niggle around
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Speaker 8: the edges.
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Speaker 4: You know, wind it back. Well, it's like the mob
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Speaker 4: sitting out there.
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Speaker 8: Well we've got to have all these people come back
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Speaker 8: to Australia for health treatment.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 9: Well it's just slowly undoing at the moment. But we
24:54
Speaker 9: need to understand that they're Prime Minister really cut his
24:58
Speaker 9: teeth in the ministry on immigration. When when Scott Morrison
25:02
Speaker 9: was elected he became a minister. Well shortly after he
25:06
Speaker 9: was elected, they won government with Tony Abbott and Tony
25:10
Speaker 9: Abbott made him the Immigration Minister. He was the one
25:13
Speaker 9: responsible for bringing back tough border security, stopping back. He
25:19
Speaker 9: understands most Australians don't want to see open borders. They
25:24
Speaker 9: don't want to see thousands of people dying at sea.
25:27
Speaker 9: They've had a gupfull of that.
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Speaker 8: They understand now that border protection you have to be
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Speaker 8: quite firm on and there are people on the edges
25:36
Speaker 8: where you sort of sit there and your heart goes
25:38
Speaker 8: out to them. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 8: we don't want thousands of people dying at sea. The
25:44
Speaker 8: Minister made a lead to a permanent reasons. Well, she's
25:49
Speaker 8: not dying there. She's been fined perfect great expense.
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Speaker 3: I'm very sorry, but we are going to have to
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Speaker 3: wrap up.
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Speaker 2: It's been great to have you both in the studio
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Speaker 2: with us.
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Speaker 4: Let me just say thank you. Great to see Kenny.
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Speaker 8: He's only half of me and I first knew it's
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Speaker 8: good to see him.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, great to see you morning.
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