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S5 Bonus MENENDEZ Brothers RESENTENCING Trial – EXCLUSIVE Breakdown w_ Scott Huver - Part 1 _ TCWT Live · True Crime and Wine Time

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Speaker 1: Hmm, what's up? Everybody?
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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crimeline Time. It's the hour before the Hour.
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Speaker 2: It's the pre show you didn't know you needed.
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Speaker 3: And that shirt I'm here for it.
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Speaker 2: Well see, you know I won't keep it on for
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Speaker 2: both because we're going to travel to Ireland for our
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Speaker 2: our our our, you know, our case tonight in the
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Speaker 2: next stream over. But we were kind of aheading to
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Speaker 2: California and I just felt, you know, this screams California
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Speaker 2: to me. I don't know why, but our guests can
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Speaker 2: can either confirm or deny that either way.
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Speaker 1: But I'm committed to it now.
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Speaker 3: So I will say, if I think of California and that,
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Speaker 3: I am imagine you and little tight shorts wearing roller blades,
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Speaker 3: rollerblading by the beach, and that shirt, I.
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Speaker 2: Think you might be the only one imagining me in
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Speaker 2: little tight shorts.
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Speaker 3: So I'm always.
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Speaker 2: And that's it wasn't cut out for California. See, I
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Speaker 2: just nope, there's no that's a bad call. Plus the
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Speaker 2: roller blades, I just don't think that would end well.
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Speaker 2: You know, I had to teach I was trying to
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Speaker 2: teach the kids how to skateboard the other week and
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Speaker 2: then I realized the next day by me, I can't
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Speaker 2: do it. They were like, can you teach us how
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Speaker 2: to go down a ramp? And I was like, you
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Speaker 2: need to teach me first.
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Speaker 3: Well, doubleh can do that because he was even featured
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Speaker 3: in the newspaper for his skateboarding skills.
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Speaker 2: So I'm learning new things about dub H every day
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Speaker 2: and I cannot wait to meet him in person.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple more weeks. So what do we got
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Speaker 3: going on tonight.
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Speaker 1: In our Oh my goodness, gregeous.
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Speaker 2: So we've had our guest on before, but this time
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Speaker 2: it is a little bit different. Previously we had Scott
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Speaker 2: on for for his book that he put together on
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Speaker 2: On on Beverly Hills and and and and this fella
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Speaker 2: has covered the inner working of Beverly Hills and the
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Speaker 2: entertainment industry and the la elite for like three decades.
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Speaker 2: And not only that, but he was around and involved
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Speaker 2: to a degree, not like involved involved with the Menendez
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Speaker 2: brothers trial the first time around, and I can't wait
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Speaker 2: to talk to him about that. But then also he
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Speaker 2: was in the courtroom today and if you had any
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Speaker 2: any inkling or read anything of what happened, it was
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Speaker 2: you know what, let me not ruin it. I'm not gonna.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna ruin it. Let's just
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Speaker 2: bring Scott on, shall we?
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Speaker 4: Scott Hey, hello again?
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Speaker 1: Oh thanks for being here with us.
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Speaker 3: Curious, I was like, what did I do wrong? And
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Speaker 3: I think I should say because I don't think he
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Speaker 3: made it into the actual courtroom today. He had to
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Speaker 3: be one of the bystanders because I did watch the
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Speaker 3: lotto today.
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Speaker 4: I think they had maybe sixteen seats that they sixteen
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Speaker 4: in the lottery today. The logistically that was a challenge
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Speaker 4: with everything that was going on. And I guess I'm
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Speaker 4: kinda given everything that didn't happen today in the courtroom,
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm not super upset that I missed, miss being
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Speaker 4: there in person. But yeah, it's an interesting, interesting day
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Speaker 4: with a lot of developments, with not a whole lot
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Speaker 4: of forward momentum.
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Speaker 3: And I have to tell you, I told you this
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Speaker 3: earlier when we talked, I don't follow, you know, trials
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Speaker 3: this close because it just it makes me frustrated. And
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Speaker 3: today was one of the reasons that proved to me why.
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Speaker 3: Because we've had court cases go on here in Texas
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'll go down there, I'll go get
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Speaker 3: in and then like what happened today, I'm like, I
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Speaker 3: would have been so mad if I drove three hours
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Speaker 3: to Houston for that trial in this bonk has happened.
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Speaker 3: So I'm excited to hear from you what went on
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Speaker 3: and maybe an insight into why.
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Speaker 4: What's interesting is it's sort of that perfect example of
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Speaker 4: like how the wheels of justice move painfully slow if
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Speaker 4: you're there, you know, in person on the daily basis,
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Speaker 4: but also that there was a lot of dramatic fireworks
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Speaker 4: going on around this sort of quicksand that everybody ended
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Speaker 4: up in It's It's really boils down to the DA
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Speaker 4: seems to have a particular desire to insert himself into
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Speaker 4: this process, even though he's made his feelings clear and
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Speaker 4: his public stance clear, and yet doing in it last
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Speaker 4: minute intervals with you know, kind of hail Mary plays
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Speaker 4: that are gumming up the works and the defense side
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Speaker 4: he's up against somebody who loves theatrics in market, and
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Speaker 4: if you give Gargos an opportunity to get theatrical, he's
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Speaker 4: going to take that ball and run with it.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: So the action was, you know, in the press conferences
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Speaker 4: outside the courtroom today, whereas you know, the wheels of
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Speaker 4: justice got kind of gummed up inside the courtroom.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I watched Gargos and I'm gonna just cal
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Speaker 3: him the DA. I I'm not a fan of the
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Speaker 3: DA who's doing this, just my personal opinion, but I
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Speaker 3: watch both of them and I'm like, oh, he is
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Speaker 3: giving Gergo some theatrics to come. I mean, he is
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Speaker 3: playing right into what he loves.
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, my my take on Nathan Hockman,
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Speaker 4: who was who was elected by an overwhelming majority, and
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Speaker 4: I think he he's maybe mistaking that for an endorsement
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Speaker 4: of his own popularity as opposed to the unpopularity of
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Speaker 4: the previous DA, which I think is well, yeah, that
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Speaker 4: what it really owes to. And I feel like he's
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Speaker 4: he's committing some unforced errors in his desire to to
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Speaker 4: project this tough on crime, this you know, no mercy stance,
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Speaker 4: and it's making him do things like that yesterday's Hail
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Speaker 4: Mary play to try to, you know, introduce this incomplete
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Speaker 4: report as a reason to delay the trial. Last week,
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Speaker 4: introducing these grizzly crime scene photos without warning the family
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Speaker 4: members to be prepared for this. Those kinds of things
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Speaker 4: are not helping his cause in the public eye. And
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Speaker 4: I'll point out that, like I saw a survey by
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Speaker 4: the Patch News, the online news organization Patch here in
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Speaker 4: LA that that really indicated that only about fifty one
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Speaker 4: percent of Angelino's are pro keeping the Minenda's brothers in jail.
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Speaker 4: So that's a really thin margin. You know, there's a
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Speaker 4: lot of there's a mix of people who are opposed
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Speaker 4: to keeping them in jail, and there's a mix of
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Speaker 4: people who are open to learning more and like and
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Speaker 4: letting the process keep going. And so I think that
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Speaker 4: to come come down this hard on these guys who
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Speaker 4: who have had three decades to build public sympathy and
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Speaker 4: a whole generational change in how we look at sexual
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Speaker 4: abuse survivors, I don't know that he needs to become
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Speaker 4: an this guns of blazon like like he's doing. And
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Speaker 4: when you've got somebody like Mark Garrigo says your opposition,
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Speaker 4: he's gonna seize on every possible misstep and any opening
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Speaker 4: he can to create drama, to to you know, play
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Speaker 4: the media, to play the judge, to play to play
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Speaker 4: the armchair, you know, courtroom watchers, like, it's it's a
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Speaker 4: fascinating conflict that's being set up right now.
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Speaker 3: I will say I last week was shocked and I
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Speaker 3: felt for the Menendez family when he decided to bring
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Speaker 3: out the crime scene photos because to me, that is
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Speaker 3: re victimizing and traumatizing a family, and it was not needed.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't new evidence, it wasn't new photos.
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Speaker 4: Why.
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Speaker 3: To me, my only thought was my little Texas girl self.
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Speaker 3: I was like, why in the hell would you put
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Speaker 3: those family members through that.
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Speaker 4: It's it's not only sort of a distasteful move, it's
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Speaker 4: potentially illegal. You know, California has a victim rights laws,
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Speaker 4: and that's one of the things that that Gergos is
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Speaker 4: going to be arguing is that that was potentially a
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Speaker 4: violation of the martial laws. So that's that's problematic in
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Speaker 4: and of itself, and I think again it's part of
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Speaker 4: this attempt by Hakmann in his office to create this
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Speaker 4: feeling of shock and awe in their opposition to the
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Speaker 4: Menendez brothers being released. I mean, even that statement that
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Speaker 4: he released a month or so ago about why he
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Speaker 4: was not endorsing resentencing was so harsh in its tone.
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Speaker 3: M hmm.
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Speaker 4: There's a there's a much more matter of fact way
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Speaker 4: to express the same opinion. But he's calculating that that
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Speaker 4: that you know, sadly, I do agree with Gergos's assessment
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Speaker 4: that this is a lot of political grandstanding is being
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Speaker 4: built into this particular case. And I don't know that
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Speaker 4: this is the hill that he wants to die on.
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Speaker 4: I think it might be a tactical error.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I try to look at all sides.
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Speaker 3: Because of the victim's family and a lot of people
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Speaker 3: who go to prison, they do not use that time wisely,
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Speaker 3: they are not rehabilitated, they don't try to better themselves.
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Speaker 3: And I was offended that he wants to keep talking
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Speaker 3: and saying but they keep lying about the abuse, keep this,
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Speaker 3: and that's not what it's about. We're talking about have
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Speaker 3: they been rehabilitated and are they a threat to society?
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Speaker 3: And I just want to keep looking at him and go,
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Speaker 3: what are you? What law professor told you? This is
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Speaker 3: what you should do.
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Speaker 4: And I believe that Judge Jessica is indicated that it's
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Speaker 4: somewhat irrelevant to this particular hearing, like that's something that
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Speaker 4: the parole board can consider. But whether they've you know,
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Speaker 4: repented or you know, taken a good long look at
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Speaker 4: their their past history and come to some new conclusions
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Speaker 4: about it. It's it's it's not it doesn't matter in
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Speaker 4: this particular case. This is a petition to be resentenced,
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Speaker 4: and he could go approve it or he won't, but
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Speaker 4: that isn't really part of the argument here. So it's
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Speaker 4: it's again, it's funny that he's putting all his chips
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Speaker 4: on that particular color, but.
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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's one of those things where I
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Speaker 2: feel like it's even more effective. And I'm not in
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Speaker 2: that position obviously, but I feel like it's more effective
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Speaker 2: to just stand in the behind the scenes and and
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Speaker 2: allow somebody else from your office to kind of take,
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Speaker 2: you know, push forward and empower them and provide them
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Speaker 2: what you need and and they're still going to follow
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Speaker 2: your lead, but but with you behind. And I almost
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Speaker 2: feel like that would do him a lot more like
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Speaker 2: somebody should have told him not to go full e
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Speaker 2: A because he's going full DA and.
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Speaker 1: It's not gonna work out for him.
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Speaker 2: And I don't want, I certainly don't want to just
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Speaker 2: completely add a left field change the topic.
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Speaker 1: Well it's not really, but you know, uh, this this resentencing.
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Speaker 2: Obviously there's a different purpose, there's a different it's it's
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Speaker 2: it's it's a different decade, you know. But you were
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Speaker 2: also there for the first first rounds of of of this,
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Speaker 2: and so I was wondering, kind of, what, how is
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Speaker 2: the field different this go around, you know, like, what
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Speaker 2: is what is it feeling like outside the courtroom or
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Speaker 2: in the area.
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Speaker 4: You know, back in the day when when the first
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Speaker 4: two trials happened, it was a pretty strong regardless of
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Speaker 4: the abuse excuse, there was a pretty strong feeling that, well,
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Speaker 4: they killed their parents and that is the be all
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Speaker 4: end all of this case. Like they calculated it. They didn't.
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Speaker 4: They didn't do it in a in a reaction to
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Speaker 4: being attacked being in danger, although they would say that
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Speaker 4: they psychologically felt perpetually in danger, so that would you know,
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Speaker 4: even even with the introduction it was the abuse excuse
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Speaker 4: was kind of mocked at the time. Today, we've really
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Speaker 4: evolved our ideas, and especially the younger generation have evolved
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Speaker 4: their idea about what sexual abuse means, what the consequences
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Speaker 4: of it can entail for people throughout their entire lives.
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Speaker 4: And I think there's just a completely different way of
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Speaker 4: looking at it by you know, especially the younger generation.
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Speaker 4: I think I can't remember if I told you guys
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Speaker 4: this when I was on last time, but I did
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Speaker 4: a live remote shot for an international outlet when I
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Speaker 4: was promoting my book outside the Menenda's home on a
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Speaker 4: just average Sunday afternoon back in October, and the entire
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Speaker 4: time that I was there shooting, people were constantly coming
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Speaker 4: to take pictures, to shoot, you know, themselves, to do
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Speaker 4: little MINII cast, you know, clim like for two They
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Speaker 4: told two hours that I was there, and they were
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Speaker 4: all young people. They were all very much the TikTok generation,
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Speaker 4: and they were all very very pro Menendez brothers, And
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Speaker 4: it was fascinating to see because that stuff wasn't happening
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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety three four, you know, when when things
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Speaker 4: were finally coming to a head. That opened my eyes
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Speaker 4: too that there was a much bigger movement, you know,
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Speaker 4: that had been sort of they kind of coalesced behind
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Speaker 4: the miniseries and the documentary that came out last year,
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Speaker 4: but they had been building for all this time because
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Speaker 4: they just perceive sexual abuse differently.
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Speaker 3: Do you think the and I do not remember his name,
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Speaker 3: but he was from the band. I think at Minuto
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Speaker 3: who came forward and says he was assaulted. Do you
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Speaker 3: think that maybe resonated with some people and they're like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: someone besides just the brothers is saying it happened to them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that that that helped. I think that helped.
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Speaker 4: I think that, you know, the more we learn about
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Speaker 4: what a genuinely unpleasant person Jose Menendez was, I think
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Speaker 4: it just it's cements in people's minds that they weren't
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Speaker 4: they weren't necessarily out for the money. And my feelings
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Speaker 4: about this go back and forth because I do, you know,
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Speaker 4: I do see how calculated the plan was, and I
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Speaker 4: do see how nuts they went with their spending in
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Speaker 4: the immediate wake of it. But they were also, you
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Speaker 4: know what eighteen and twenty one, they were also presumably
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Speaker 4: in you know, serious shock and grief and denial, even
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Speaker 4: though they they committed the act themselves. Like so, you know,
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Speaker 4: as I get older, I see it different. I'm not
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Speaker 4: I can't say I would, you know, I would need
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Speaker 4: to know more personally about their lives and what what
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Speaker 4: the history has looked like over time to commit to
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Speaker 4: one side or the other. But I certainly want to
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Speaker 4: hear these arguments, you know, I think they should be made.
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Speaker 1: Do you think do you think I was wondering? Do
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Speaker 1: you think I mean.
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Speaker 2: That that thing right there where you just kind of
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Speaker 2: you almost straddle the fence because you have to, you know, uh,
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Speaker 2: do you think that is what is so interesting to
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Speaker 2: folks on this Like it creates that tension within themselves
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Speaker 2: and they have to kind of you know, it depends
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Speaker 2: on what they're hearing and when they're hearing it.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean.
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Speaker 4: It's it's different from a who done it? It's still
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Speaker 4: like all these years later, it's like a why done it?
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Speaker 4: You know, it's like why did they do it? Did
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Speaker 4: they do it out of you know, pure like survival
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Speaker 4: instinct or did they do it out of Let's let's
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Speaker 4: get rid of them and let's let's continue to live
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Speaker 4: this life without them in it, but we enjoy all
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Speaker 4: of the you know, things that that they that they
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Speaker 4: earned for us, it's you know, it's that's what keeps
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Speaker 4: us fascinating. It's what keeps it complicated, and the notion
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Speaker 4: that they have been presumably good people that have come
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Speaker 4: out of it. On the other side, I mean, the
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Speaker 4: craziest story this week until today was Rosie O'Donnell. Did
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Speaker 4: you guys see this coming out and saying.
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Speaker 3: That helps her her situation?
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Speaker 4: One of her one of her best friends, she said,
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Speaker 4: And it's because they shared a history of sexual abuse
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Speaker 4: in their family, and and he also was providing her
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Speaker 4: with a lot of counsel and dealing with a difficult
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Speaker 4: child of her own. And you know, it's just like
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Speaker 4: he has no reason to like do that for a
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Speaker 4: privileged celebrity exactly. And she wasn't. It wasn't like she
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Speaker 4: was like helping his cause publicly along the way. This
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Speaker 4: this started years and years ago, and so he wasn't
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Speaker 4: like using her for the for publicity. It was like
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Speaker 4: a genuine personal exchange between these people that that raised
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Speaker 4: my eyebrows, you know a lot.
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Speaker 3: It did me as well, But it also made me
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Speaker 3: start thinking about something that I hadn't thought of. And
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Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I was shocked, as an essay survivor
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Speaker 3: that do you think it would have the publicity and
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Speaker 3: people would have been thought different if it was two sisters.
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Speaker 4: There's so many factors in that just went to image,
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Speaker 4: you know, thinking back to the early nineties when we
18:52
Speaker 4: were still a very image conscious and not that we
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Speaker 4: ever gave that up, really, but it was it was
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Speaker 4: very much, you know, about image and what was telegenic.
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Speaker 4: And like you look at these two, you know, good
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Speaker 4: looking guys. They were young, they were wealthy, they dressed well,
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Speaker 4: they comported themselves well in public even while on trial,
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Speaker 4: you know, and yet they had a there was a
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Speaker 4: sinister notion and there was something Shakespearean about killing your parents.
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Speaker 4: But if they had a you know, had a patina
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Speaker 4: of like genuine vulnerability and victimhood that might have come
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Speaker 4: with being women, that could have been an entirely different story. See.
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Speaker 3: And that's what I was surprised that I hadn't thought
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Speaker 3: of that. And when I started thinking about I started
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Speaker 3: thinking about it after reading the Rose O'Donnell in how
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Speaker 3: she considers her friend and things like that, I had
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Speaker 3: to stop and do some thinking because I was like,
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Speaker 3: he didn't have to help her, he didn't have to
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Speaker 3: talk to her. Like you said, he wasn't doing it
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Speaker 3: for cloud, he wasn't doing it for help. I truly
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Speaker 3: think the time that they've spent behind bars from what
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Speaker 3: I they wanted to help others, so it doesn't happen again.
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Speaker 3: They're not proud of what they did. Did they do
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Speaker 3: some really stupid things after it happened? They lied, they
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Speaker 3: went spending, But I think of the trauma and the
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Speaker 3: shock you must have been in after that happ after
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Speaker 3: you do that, I really don't mudge what we would
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Speaker 3: do in that situation.
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Speaker 4: We were talking about what a crazy day it's been,
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Speaker 4: and that's sort of like, you know, you get home
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Speaker 4: after a long day doing your job and you sort
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Speaker 4: of have this knee jerk of like I did I
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Speaker 4: buy something, go on Amazon and spend money, like just
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Speaker 4: to relieve that stress. And I'm like, so, imagine you just,
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Speaker 4: you know, got access to hundreds of thousands, if not
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Speaker 4: millions of dollars and you're reeling from murdering your own parents.
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Speaker 4: Like anything's possible, Anything's possible.
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Speaker 3: And I think so many people in domestic violence situal
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Speaker 3: situations spending for some reason, buying things fulfill something inside
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Speaker 3: of you. So I stop and think they were trying
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Speaker 3: to repair how they were feeling inside. They were trying
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Speaker 3: to put band aids in my opinion on how they
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Speaker 3: were doing it. And that's the problem I have with
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Speaker 3: the Da. I even I don't normally put comments when
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Speaker 3: I watch YouTube lives of it, but I actually put
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Speaker 3: a comment today, and I'm like, this, DA obviously doesn't
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Speaker 3: know what it's like to have been a victim or
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Speaker 3: doesn't know someone closely.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And the interesting thing that came out today too
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Speaker 4: was gerr Goos's objection to Hawkman not revealing that he
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Speaker 4: is also Beverly Hills born and raised, grew up, you know,
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Speaker 4: very close to the Menendez home, went to high school
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Speaker 4: at the same time as the brothers, and is you know,
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Speaker 4: kind of suggesting to the judge that that should have
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Speaker 4: been disclosed for him to continue on in a public
21:57
Speaker 4: way with this case. So that's I mean, I don't
21:59
Speaker 4: know where that's going to go. I don't know how
22:00
Speaker 4: much water that's.
22:01
Speaker 1: Going to hapen.
22:01
Speaker 3: That was shocking to me today because that, to me,
22:04
Speaker 3: you should have he should have refused himself. That's just me.
22:09
Speaker 4: And that is also how incredibly small Beverly Hills, like
22:15
Speaker 4: this world famous city that's only about five square miles
22:19
Speaker 4: and it's but you know, it's a community that just
22:23
Speaker 4: keeps It's very tight knit. It's you know, people people
22:27
Speaker 4: stay in la that grow up in Beverly Hills. They
22:31
Speaker 4: take on positions of influence and power and fame and
22:34
Speaker 4: celebrity and all of that. So it's that one really
22:38
Speaker 4: caught me off guard because I think I vaguely renew
22:42
Speaker 4: during the campaign that Hawkman was was from Beverly Hills,
22:45
Speaker 4: but I had never really put those two things together
22:48
Speaker 4: until today. So that's that's exactly the kind of thing
22:52
Speaker 4: that I I have mixed feelings about Margaro's as an attorney,
22:56
Speaker 4: about his skills as an attorney, but that is exactly
22:59
Speaker 4: the kind of thing he sells at.
23:02
Speaker 1: Now, like and everybody right, he's a long list. He's
23:07
Speaker 1: a long list, he.
23:09
Speaker 4: Said, Michael Jackson, he's had Jackson. Susan McDougall was the
23:14
Speaker 4: one to put him on the you know, during the
23:15
Speaker 4: Whitewater Clinton era, that put him on the map. He's
23:19
Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure in private practice he does. He's
23:23
Speaker 4: a very effective lawyer, but in these criminal trials he's
23:27
Speaker 4: kind of got a spotty record. He's had a few
23:31
Speaker 4: key victories, but also just just as many, if not more,
23:34
Speaker 4: where he didn't carry the day, including Winona Ryder, which
23:37
Speaker 4: was a trial where I first got familiar with him.
23:40
Speaker 4: In the courtroom.
23:42
Speaker 3: Yeah. I even saw somebody say online and I'm like,
23:46
Speaker 3: I have made a note to look later that he's
23:49
Speaker 3: been trying to pitch to cover P Diddy, to help
23:52
Speaker 3: he Diddy. And I'm like, please tell me that's not true.
23:56
Speaker 3: Please tell me that's not true, because we do not
23:59
Speaker 3: need any more drama around that.
24:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bottles of baby oil alone.
24:06
Speaker 3: Try that, Like, we don't need around that.
24:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, he might get paid in baby oil by the
24:13
Speaker 4: end of this, I'm not sure.
24:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, question.
24:19
Speaker 3: I want to talk about that last minute filing last
24:22
Speaker 3: night that the DA filed. And I'm a bad person.
24:28
Speaker 3: I try not to say perpetrators names. I'm not saying
24:31
Speaker 3: the DA's perpetrator, but I've got to he's got to
24:34
Speaker 3: be in his bonnet and it's just bothering me that
24:36
Speaker 3: he is hung his hat out to dry on this one.
24:40
Speaker 3: Why do you think he waited last minute to do that?
24:44
Speaker 3: And then how do you think that played into what
24:46
Speaker 3: happened today? At lunchtime, it.
24:48
Speaker 4: Felt felt to me like, I mean, to hold off
24:54
Speaker 4: to the last minute must have been sort of and aha,
24:58
Speaker 4: let's try this, you know, like they thought about it
25:00
Speaker 4: and thought about it and they had to try something.
25:03
Speaker 4: Apparently he wanted to just drag this out. It could
25:06
Speaker 4: be that he's enjoying whatever publicity he's getting out of this.
25:10
Speaker 4: He thinks he's building himself as you know, this tough
25:15
Speaker 4: on crime crusader. But I think they probably didn't figure
25:19
Speaker 4: out any other way to delay it until yesterday and
25:25
Speaker 4: slap that thing together. What's really funny too, is it
25:29
Speaker 4: it's built on this, you know, the state Parole Board
25:35
Speaker 4: review that is not even complete yet that now the
25:40
Speaker 4: judge has had to basically just going to be no
25:43
Speaker 4: more continuation on trial tomorrow. The judge has put it
25:46
Speaker 4: off until what he said, like no sooner than I
25:48
Speaker 4: think the ninth of May. But after that, the Governor's
25:51
Speaker 4: office came out toward the end of the day today
25:53
Speaker 4: and said they didn't anticipate the report being done until June. Right,
25:58
Speaker 4: So here we go. You know, at the.
26:03
Speaker 3: Is that assessment even legal? Because I was reading something
26:08
Speaker 3: that there's an email that says it can't be used
26:11
Speaker 3: in this sentencing hearing. It is for the parole board,
26:15
Speaker 3: and I almost feel like the things are getting mixed
26:17
Speaker 3: up together instead of being kept better.
26:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, the judges, that's part of this whole process now
26:23
Speaker 4: is like everybody's gonna have to review it. It's it's
26:27
Speaker 4: supposed to be a confidential report. So whenever they go
26:30
Speaker 4: back into court the next time, it is going to
26:36
Speaker 4: be closed in the judges chambers. It's not going to
26:39
Speaker 4: be open to the public while they discussed this particular report,
26:42
Speaker 4: which again is incomplete because it's so confidential, and it
26:47
Speaker 4: may not the judgement may decide, may very likely decide
26:51
Speaker 4: that it has no application to this particular resentencing hearing.
26:57
Speaker 4: But we've got to go through the process, which you know,
27:01
Speaker 4: I like, whether you're on their side or not, I
27:04
Speaker 4: think you hope for the family like that a resolution
27:09
Speaker 4: comes because this is this has been going on for
27:12
Speaker 4: a long time and it seems like the DA, intentionally
27:17
Speaker 4: or not, is actually antagonizing the family. I mean, and
27:20
Speaker 4: we know what happened with the Menanda's brothers aunt last
27:25
Speaker 4: week after seeing the grizzly photos. You know, who can
27:28
Speaker 4: say if there was a cause and effect, but it's
27:31
Speaker 4: the timing seems not ideal.
27:34
Speaker 3: So well, when you get to a certain age, even
27:38
Speaker 3: a bright sun could cause you to have that. But
27:40
Speaker 3: seeing something like I said, seeing those pictures again that
27:44
Speaker 3: you probably already see in your brain and you've spent
27:46
Speaker 3: so much time trying to get it out of your
27:49
Speaker 3: thought and then to have someone shove it in your
27:52
Speaker 3: face again that could cause somebody to And.
27:55
Speaker 4: It's it's the celebrity nature of this crime. It's the
27:58
Speaker 4: it's the high profileness of it that it's there's so
28:05
Speaker 4: much that needs to be addressed in Los Angeles right
28:08
Speaker 4: now in terms of crime. It's not a disaster, but
28:14
Speaker 4: it's the pandemic changed things. The homelessness situation here is
28:20
Speaker 4: needs needs attention as it relates to crime, and how
28:23
Speaker 4: are we going to deal with this? It's but this
28:26
Speaker 4: thing has got so much it's so actually non relevant
28:30
Speaker 4: to the great or good of the city and the county.
28:33
Speaker 4: It's it's but it is a thing that gets you airtime.
28:37
Speaker 4: That's a little concerning to me as a journalist to
28:40
Speaker 4: see so much attention from him is being focused on
28:46
Speaker 4: a thirty year old case that really other people are
28:51
Speaker 4: going to decide at the end of the day.
28:53
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that gets me. Because I was
28:55
Speaker 3: reading so many people and I was trying so hard
28:57
Speaker 3: to say, please go educate yourself, because they're like oh,
29:00
Speaker 3: they're going to walk free today. And I'm like, no, people,
29:03
Speaker 3: this is just a re sentencing hearing. The parole board
29:07
Speaker 3: still has to make a decision. Yeah, it's not like
29:10
Speaker 3: this is saying they go home today. It's just a
29:14
Speaker 3: step in the process.
29:16
Speaker 4: And there's you know, if this, if this doesn't work
29:20
Speaker 4: out for them and the parole board doesn't work out
29:22
Speaker 4: for them, there's still avenues. You know, they could they
29:25
Speaker 4: could motion for a retrial. They can you know, ask
29:29
Speaker 4: the governor for clemency, and Gavin Newsom has certainly indicated
29:33
Speaker 4: that he's willing to study the situation and make his
29:37
Speaker 4: own assessment. So but it's just, you know, you kind
29:42
Speaker 4: of you kind of wish for the family that a
29:44
Speaker 4: yes or no, a definitive yes or no, would come
29:47
Speaker 4: sooner rather than later, just so that they can accept
29:50
Speaker 4: and process and move forward with their lives.
29:54
Speaker 3: Do you think the DA is frustrated that so many
29:58
Speaker 3: from them and this family, both sides are in support
30:02
Speaker 3: of this.
30:04
Speaker 4: I think so. I think it's you know, they're very sympathetic.
30:07
Speaker 4: They're there, they can't help, but everybody can relate if
30:11
Speaker 4: you're if your family members were in the same situation.
30:15
Speaker 4: Despite the heinous nature of the crime. On the face
30:18
Speaker 4: of it, if your family members were in a similar situation,
30:21
Speaker 4: you would more than likely be trying to rally around
30:25
Speaker 4: them and help them through it, especially after three decades
30:28
Speaker 4: in prison see a light potentially at the end of
30:30
Speaker 4: the tunnel. It's no surprise that they are so enthusiastic
30:35
Speaker 4: and trying to see this through. And it creates a
30:37
Speaker 4: lot of sympathy for I mean, we all have been
30:40
Speaker 4: touched by crime and by by people we love, you know,
30:44
Speaker 4: having to face consequences from things that they've done, and
30:47
Speaker 4: so again, like to kind of keep running a foul
30:50
Speaker 4: of the family, to keep kind of like challenging the
30:53
Speaker 4: family doesn't again seems like the best strategy to win
30:56
Speaker 4: over the hearts and minds of the public. Sure, there's
30:58
Speaker 4: always going to be a certain section that's going to
31:01
Speaker 4: be you know, flick flick on the chair, like who cares, right,
31:05
Speaker 4: you know, but that's not going to get you elected.
31:08
Speaker 4: That's not going to keep you in office another term,
31:10
Speaker 4: like and you just started this one. We have bigger problems.
31:14
Speaker 3: But I've always thought the DA prosecution is there to
31:19
Speaker 3: give justice to the victim, and the victim's family. The
31:24
Speaker 3: family's kind of on the other side. Now, they're not
31:27
Speaker 3: saying they shouldn't have gone to prison, they're not saying
31:31
Speaker 3: they're innocent. They're saying they've done their time, they've been rehabilitated,
31:35
Speaker 3: and they're not a threat to the public. And that's
31:38
Speaker 3: the part that to me, it's like he just wants
31:40
Speaker 3: to close the door, lock the door, the key, and
31:43
Speaker 3: never discuss it again.
31:45
Speaker 2: It seems like we you know, this is very very
31:49
Speaker 2: much generality, and but I'm going to say anyways, it
31:51
Speaker 2: seems like we really like a redemption story until we're
31:53
Speaker 2: hitting the face of the redemption story, if that makes
31:58
Speaker 2: that like we like a controlled redemption story on a screen,
32:02
Speaker 2: but the thought of that kind of a story in
32:06
Speaker 2: real life is so hard for us to just accept
32:10
Speaker 2: as even a possibility. I don't know, what do you think, Yeah.
32:14
Speaker 4: It's you know, it's one of the things that makes
32:16
Speaker 4: celebrity crime so distinct is you know, there's I've always
32:21
Speaker 4: talked about this a cycle of celebrity where you really
32:25
Speaker 4: are rooting for somebody as they as you're introduced to
32:28
Speaker 4: them in the public eye, and you like their work,
32:31
Speaker 4: you like their look, whatever, and you're like you invested
32:34
Speaker 4: in them, and then they start to drift from that
32:36
Speaker 4: person that you perceive them to be in their real
32:39
Speaker 4: life as more details about them come out and they
32:42
Speaker 4: do different things, and you start to say, well, look
32:44
Speaker 4: at you know, they're they're going down this road and
32:47
Speaker 4: it actually makes you feel good about yourself. You're like, yeah,
32:50
Speaker 4: she's rich, she's famous, she's powerful, but her life's a
32:53
Speaker 4: mess mine's mine's not nearly as messy, so it's not
32:56
Speaker 4: that great to be here. And then they face some
32:58
Speaker 4: kind of consequence and time passes and then they have
33:02
Speaker 4: a comeback and you're sort of like, yeah, you know
33:05
Speaker 4: there are right I like them at the beginning, and
33:07
Speaker 4: yeah they've paid their price. It's harder with the Menenda's brothers,
33:11
Speaker 4: but they still fit that celebrity cycle. We watched them
33:14
Speaker 4: on TV for all these years and in one way
33:16
Speaker 4: or another, and you know, on court, TV or in
33:19
Speaker 4: mini series or documentaries or whatever it is. But the
33:22
Speaker 4: nature of the crime is so hard to process. Killing
33:27
Speaker 4: your parents it's you know, probably in you know, in
33:31
Speaker 4: the top two three crimes you can commit that are
33:35
Speaker 4: just hard to let go of when you hear about it.
33:38
Speaker 4: It's Shakespearean.
33:40
Speaker 3: I think it would have been different if this would
33:42
Speaker 3: have happened in Montana.
33:46
Speaker 4: Oh it would have got press, you know, it would
33:51
Speaker 4: have got press in some way. But to have persisted
33:54
Speaker 4: like this, it's the Beverly Hills of it all. I mean,
33:57
Speaker 4: it's and it happened at the apex of Beverly Hills
34:00
Speaker 4: like it, you know, happened right at the end of
34:01
Speaker 4: the eighties, which was Beverly Hills truest moment in the sun.
34:06
Speaker 4: And you know that decade was all about money and
34:09
Speaker 4: flash and success, and here were these two young, good
34:11
Speaker 4: looking guys who seemingly had it all and then killed
34:14
Speaker 4: their parents to get more. You know that that was
34:18
Speaker 4: just the epitome of like the Beverly Hills dream termed nightmare.
34:23
Speaker 4: And that's why that thing has lingered in people's consciousness
34:27
Speaker 4: because it was just saturated everywhere at the time, and
34:30
Speaker 4: it's just it's always been somewhat fascinating to revisit it,
34:34
Speaker 4: you know, as somebody as a student of many Beverly
34:36
Speaker 4: Hills crimes, few things have had the staying power and
34:40
Speaker 4: the continued fascination, even though a lot there's a lot
34:43
Speaker 4: of interesting crimes from that city, that's the menentez One,
34:47
Speaker 4: is the naplus Ultra? Maybe that in like the murder
34:50
Speaker 4: of Bugsy Segel.
34:53
Speaker 3: Oh Boxy.
34:55
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:56
Speaker 3: Now, I've also been reading today since I was hellowing this,
35:01
Speaker 3: I was surprised to see so many people online posting
35:05
Speaker 3: that maybe they should be forgiven to some degree for
35:09
Speaker 3: what they did to their dad, but not their mom.
35:14
Speaker 3: And I found that interesting because if I remember correctly,
35:18
Speaker 3: back during the trial, we found out mom wasn't lily white.
35:25
Speaker 4: It's funny how that bubbles up and you sort of
35:29
Speaker 4: have to be reminded that you know, according to that
35:33
Speaker 4: version of events, that that kitty was complicit in Jose's evils, like.
35:39
Speaker 3: And there was photos, if I remember correctly, if the
35:42
Speaker 3: kids and stuff. So I found much shocking.
35:46
Speaker 4: That there was at the very uh enabler and at
35:51
Speaker 4: worst and accomplice. And but like you, again, the idea
35:56
Speaker 4: of killing your own mother is so abhorrent to most
35:59
Speaker 4: of us that you want to find that, you want
36:02
Speaker 4: to find that sticking point and it's like, well, yeah,
36:05
Speaker 4: dad's a jerk, like he's abusive, kill him, but kill
36:08
Speaker 4: your mom. And I'm like, well, it just depends on.
36:11
Speaker 3: What It's just shocking that they're willing to give moms
36:15
Speaker 3: so much grace for being complicit than they are to
36:20
Speaker 3: the brothers who suffered this abuse for years. And it
36:24
Speaker 3: just to me, it shows that we have these ingrained
36:28
Speaker 3: things that you don't kill your parents, no matter what
36:32
Speaker 3: they do to you, you don't. And that is something
36:36
Speaker 3: I steal my brain and I'm on the fence. It
36:40
Speaker 3: was by far. I mean, it was absolutely horrific what
36:44
Speaker 3: they did, and there's no excuse for what they did,
36:48
Speaker 3: but we need to take into consideration where their mental
36:52
Speaker 3: state was with what has been said was going on.
36:57
Speaker 4: It's so again, flash is the word that keeps coming by.
37:01
Speaker 4: That's the story is just so juicy and over the
37:04
Speaker 4: top and all of that, but it's so easy to
37:08
Speaker 4: not want to consider all the real nuance that comes
37:13
Speaker 4: along with it. And you know, like honestly, like I
37:15
Speaker 4: was very much like, yeah, they did it, they plotted
37:18
Speaker 4: it for years, for years of my life saying that,
37:21
Speaker 4: you know, there's no getting around that fact, but you
37:25
Speaker 4: have to you have to look a little deeper. I
37:27
Speaker 4: had to look a little bit deeper, you know, to
37:31
Speaker 4: to open my mind to different possibilities. I still don't
37:35
Speaker 4: know as we said, like I'm a journalist, I have
37:37
Speaker 4: to come and maintain a certain professional objectivity. But just
37:40
Speaker 4: speaking with myself, I'm a little more conflicted about it
37:44
Speaker 4: than at any other point in my knowledge of the story.
37:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say last night we just caught up
37:53
Speaker 3: me and Double H watch Law and Order SVU from
37:56
Speaker 3: last week. And it was so interesting watching it last
37:59
Speaker 3: night because I knew I was gonna be watching the
38:01
Speaker 3: Meninda stuff today. And it was a case about a
38:04
Speaker 3: woman who had been sexually assaulted when she was eight,
38:09
Speaker 3: but the courts didn't believe her, so they let the
38:12
Speaker 3: guy get away with it, and he kept offending. She
38:15
Speaker 3: wound up in drugs. She took a wrong paths, she
38:18
Speaker 3: tried to self medicate. Twenty some odd years later, she
38:21
Speaker 3: got revenge and she got caught and she looked at
38:25
Speaker 3: the detective and she goes, I am not sorry one
38:29
Speaker 3: bit for what I did because it ruins my life.
38:34
Speaker 3: And so, I mean, it just made me think about
38:36
Speaker 3: what we were gonna be talking about today. I'm like,
38:40
Speaker 3: it doesn't just go away, you know. And this woman
38:43
Speaker 3: plotted for years, twenty years to get her revenge.
38:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it would you know, the brothers have never
38:51
Speaker 4: said I would do it again, right, I don't happen
38:55
Speaker 4: like they they haven't taken that stance. They they knowledge
39:00
Speaker 4: the horror of the actors committed, but you know they
39:05
Speaker 4: they also say that there were reasons, and it's just
39:07
Speaker 4: a matter of how much you embrace their reasons, believe
39:10
Speaker 4: their reasons. I think that their reasons are true. It's
39:15
Speaker 4: it's just it's going to be one of those knots
39:17
Speaker 4: that we're always going to try to undie. Like as
39:19
Speaker 4: long as there we're talking about true crime, that that
39:21
Speaker 4: one's always going to be there.
39:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now, And I mean, like, I know, I
39:25
Speaker 2: know you're mentioning that. Sorry, I know, I know you're
39:29
Speaker 2: mentioning you know how this is a very Beverly Hills trial.
39:33
Speaker 2: There's a piece of me that wants to believe that
39:35
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills is ready to wrap this sucker up. Uh
39:38
Speaker 2: Do you get that feeling like they're ready just to
39:40
Speaker 2: be done with this one way or another.
39:43
Speaker 4: It's it's you know, it's not got to be not fun.
39:46
Speaker 4: If you're one of the biggest like boosters of Beverly Hills,
39:49
Speaker 4: if you're like been in that community for years, it's
39:52
Speaker 4: got to not be great too. Always have that the
39:57
Speaker 4: city mentioned in the same breath as this double murder
40:03
Speaker 4: for for three decades. It's all going on for it's
40:08
Speaker 4: because there's so much people go to Beverly Hills to
40:12
Speaker 4: celebrate having gotten the good life, Like that's part of
40:16
Speaker 4: the that's part of the deal if you live there.
40:18
Speaker 4: And I always have these sort of dark shadows, I know,
40:21
Speaker 4: Like even with with my book, I reached out to
40:24
Speaker 4: like a face group Facebook group of Beverly Hills residents
40:27
Speaker 4: that were into history and mentioned what I was doing,
40:29
Speaker 4: and they practically shouted me off the Internet because I
40:32
Speaker 4: was going to be besmirching you know, the history of
40:35
Speaker 4: nine o two. I know, but it's the history. It happened.
40:39
Speaker 4: It's your neighborhood chat down the street, you know.
40:48
Speaker 3: So what do you think is going to happen? Do
40:51
Speaker 3: you think there's anything that's going to happen between now
40:54
Speaker 3: and May nine that they're going to publicly say? Are
40:57
Speaker 3: they going to keep it behind the scenes and then
41:00
Speaker 3: on May night they're going to go behind closed doors
41:03
Speaker 3: and discuss it further or maybe even delay it again.
41:07
Speaker 4: So far, Hawkman hasn't shied away from getting in the
41:13
Speaker 4: muck and whether whether it needs to happen in a
41:17
Speaker 4: given moment or not. And now that Geragos understands that
41:20
Speaker 4: like so completely, Gargo's is going to bait him every
41:24
Speaker 4: chance he gets, every chance he gets, and it's just
41:26
Speaker 4: going to be a matter of Hawkman taking the bait
41:29
Speaker 4: between now and when they actually get in that courtroom together.
41:33
Speaker 4: I my prediction is that it's going to get uglier
41:37
Speaker 4: before it gets prettier.
41:39
Speaker 3: What do you think is going to do about Gargo's
41:43
Speaker 3: trying to ask for the DA to be removed.
41:49
Speaker 4: I have a hunch that's not going to go far.
41:52
Speaker 3: That's kind of what my thought was. But I was like,
41:55
Speaker 3: I guess you don't know if you don't ask.
41:57
Speaker 4: Now. The one thing I would like to be is
41:59
Speaker 4: in that courtroom when that is debated. I would like
42:02
Speaker 4: to hear how that debate goes. But I don't think
42:06
Speaker 4: it's going to go anywhere.
42:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of thought this problem.
42:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, as you know, we're not going to be
42:18
Speaker 5: going to do this tomorrow, and there's going to lot
42:22
Speaker 5: be going on between now and then, what would you
42:26
Speaker 5: suggest us and our followers.
42:30
Speaker 3: Maybe think about between now and when we actually do
42:34
Speaker 3: get the resentencing hearing.
42:38
Speaker 4: Good question. I you know, I think probably the a
42:44
Speaker 4: key thing for everybody that's really interested in this case,
42:48
Speaker 4: good or bad, is to look at what Lyle and
42:53
Speaker 4: Eric have said in recent times, you know, on a
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Speaker 4: substantial level, not just like we were read this, but like,
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Speaker 4: look what they've said in detail about their lives, what
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Speaker 4: they've what they've learned, what they're proud of having accomplished,
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Speaker 4: whether or not they ever get released. I think that
43:12
Speaker 4: will help give a little perspective. And I can't you know, again,
43:15
Speaker 4: we can debate on whether they're being authentic or if
43:17
Speaker 4: they're just trying to get out of jail, but like,
43:19
Speaker 4: I think that that will help each person who looks
43:22
Speaker 4: at that with their own stands. I think we should
43:26
Speaker 4: look at what I think we're going to probably start
43:30
Speaker 4: taking a closer look at Nathan Hawkman's record and seeing
43:35
Speaker 4: if there's a hint of more than a hint of
43:37
Speaker 4: unnecessary cruelty embedded in in his his record, because, like
43:42
Speaker 4: guess I said at the beginning, he was definitely brought
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Speaker 4: in more on the unpopularity of the previous DA than
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Speaker 4: on his own popularity. And I think he's maybe mistaking that.
43:57
Speaker 4: So I think we need to look at him and then, like,
43:59
Speaker 4: I think we know Mark Ago. If you've studied true
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Speaker 4: crime or courtroom cases, I think we're familiar with him.
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Speaker 4: I think we know what to expect from him. He's
44:06
Speaker 4: he's a wily lawyer who who is who plays some
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Speaker 4: clever gambits. Sometimes they blow up in his face, but
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Speaker 4: sometimes they're pretty effective. And he knows how to play
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Speaker 4: the media better than anybody.
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Speaker 1: I was.
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Speaker 2: I was just doing a very look through of Hawkman,
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Speaker 2: and it looks like for five years he was the
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Speaker 2: president of the LA City Ethics Commission. So I'm fascinated
44:28
Speaker 2: to figure out anything that could be from out.
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Speaker 3: Well, what I'm creasy to see is Leslie Abramson going
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Speaker 3: to come forward and say anything, because she's pretty quiet.
44:42
Speaker 4: I don't know how old Leslie Abramson is at this point.
44:46
Speaker 4: I don't know how much she wants to be out
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Speaker 4: of the public eye. I mean, there's got to be
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Speaker 4: a point where you say enough, Like I have talked
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Speaker 4: about this in court out of court for long enough.
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Speaker 1: Oh she's eighty one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm so passionate about it. I I'm just
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Speaker 3: curious if there will be even a statement released from
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Speaker 3: her and then no questions or anything. Because she was
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Speaker 3: so passionate.
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Speaker 4: It'd be curious to see somebody who stood by them
45:17
Speaker 4: through two trials where they are with it all today.
45:23
Speaker 4: But she might have she might feel that she's she's
45:29
Speaker 4: done her done her duty on this one.
45:31
Speaker 3: I would agree she's probably just I hope for her
45:34
Speaker 3: she's just enjoying her Martini's and not thinking about all
45:39
Speaker 3: of the horrible things she has seen in her career.
45:42
Speaker 3: I mean, I do hope she's somewhere just enjoying life.
45:45
Speaker 4: But and like you know, she didn't. She didn't win
45:48
Speaker 4: them an Enda's case, but she she lawyered the hell
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Speaker 4: out of it.
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Speaker 3: She did, she did well. I want to thank you
45:57
Speaker 3: for coming on and hopefully when it actually does happen
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Speaker 3: the recent and sing hearing that you will be able
46:04
Speaker 3: to join us, give us a deep dive, and hopefully
46:07
Speaker 3: timing will be better. Uh oh, and maybe you'll get
46:10
Speaker 3: to be there and share all of that with us. Yeah,
46:14
Speaker 3: we would love to have you back on. On a
46:16
Speaker 3: side note, any new books coming out soon.
46:21
Speaker 4: I have been diligently working on what might be the
46:26
Speaker 4: next extension of Beverly Hills Wire's life in a different medium,
46:32
Speaker 4: So we're hopefully very close to some news on that.
46:36
Speaker 4: And then as i've kind of been working on getting
46:40
Speaker 4: that done, I'm ready to do volume two, but I
46:44
Speaker 4: haven't sat down to have a talk with the publisher
46:47
Speaker 4: because I've been wanting to get this other situation kind
46:50
Speaker 4: of locked in. But I'm ready. I was happy to
46:55
Speaker 4: have an opportunity in February to take a chapter that
46:59
Speaker 4: I had to cut and repurpose it for The Hollywood
47:04
Speaker 4: Reporter's Oscar issue because it's a story of Beverly Hills crime.
47:08
Speaker 4: Well it takes place a block outside of Beverly Hills,
47:10
Speaker 4: so technically, but it involved a Beverly Hills police officer
47:13
Speaker 4: and it took place at an Oscar night party the
47:17
Speaker 4: night that Pulp Fiction was up for Best Picture and
47:20
Speaker 4: Quentin Turnedino won for Best Director. And it's a crazy
47:23
Speaker 4: story online. It's online. It's just look for Scott Hoover
47:28
Speaker 4: and the Hollywood Reporter, and it's the last thing I
47:30
Speaker 4: wrote for them, like the February the issue right before
47:34
Speaker 4: the Oscars, and it's the pictures that we found because
47:39
Speaker 4: I'd written this story for the book and I just
47:42
Speaker 4: didn't have room to include it. But working with the
47:44
Speaker 4: Hollywood Reporter, I found a bunch of photographs that are
47:47
Speaker 4: just bring the the party to life, and there's a
47:52
Speaker 4: kind of big surprise, like it's a fun little story
47:56
Speaker 4: that maybe you get to a point where you stop
47:59
Speaker 4: and thinking, Alex, you'll see when you read it like
48:01
Speaker 4: this may be as it was titled, like the craziest
48:04
Speaker 4: oscar Party ever.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I was reading all sentences right under your title
48:10
Speaker 2: and the the like the fourth sentences. Hollywood parties were
48:14
Speaker 2: more fun in ninety five, and I was like this,
48:17
Speaker 2: Scott and I are friends immediately, like obviously, but imediately,
48:20
Speaker 2: like that's perfect, Like that's how yeah, I write about it.
48:24
Speaker 3: I'm going to be flighty good. Well, thank you for
48:30
Speaker 3: joining us. Also, I'm glad that you were safe from
48:32
Speaker 3: the fires. I was having so many people I know
48:37
Speaker 3: that live in California, and I have one of what
48:41
Speaker 3: I call my adopted daughters who lived there. Luckily they
48:44
Speaker 3: wound up being safe, but did lose some property. It's
48:48
Speaker 3: going to take California a long time to rebuild. And
48:51
Speaker 3: for all of the people out there that want to say, oh,
48:54
Speaker 3: they have more money, than everybody. They can afford it. Guys,
48:59
Speaker 3: I'm going to just tell you're thinking wrong and you
49:01
Speaker 3: need to check yourself, because nobody has enough money to
49:06
Speaker 3: replace all of their memories, their home and their lives.
49:10
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't been over there. I live relatively close
49:15
Speaker 4: to the Palisades fire. We were never in real danger.
49:19
Speaker 4: We just had really bad air quality. But I haven't
49:22
Speaker 4: had the heart to go over there and and look
49:26
Speaker 4: at the damage. And obviously everybody in LA knows at
49:30
Speaker 4: least four people that lost everything, and it's I just
49:36
Speaker 4: was talking to someone today who said the fire got
49:38
Speaker 4: like within a block of his home and he hadn't evacuated,
49:42
Speaker 4: it wasn't told to evacuate, but he finally made the decision.
49:44
Speaker 4: He's like, I gotta go, and he just had to
49:47
Speaker 4: take what he could and leave. And you know, that
49:50
Speaker 4: just was just a few months ago, and we're all
49:52
Speaker 4: trying to move on from so many things in La like,
49:55
Speaker 4: but that one's in a linger and it was it's
49:58
Speaker 4: it's it's was a gut punch, and it's there's going
50:00
Speaker 4: to be so many complications that come from that, and
50:03
Speaker 4: we're all gonna I mean, the worst that happened to
50:06
Speaker 4: me was I lost a month's worth of work because
50:08
Speaker 4: everything shut down. But people lost everything.
50:13
Speaker 3: Everything, everything, And it'll always it'll never be the exact same.
50:18
Speaker 3: It's going to look different, just like Lahina over in Maui.
50:21
Speaker 3: You know, we have friends that live there. It's never
50:23
Speaker 3: going to be the exact same. It's going to like difference.
50:26
Speaker 3: But I am glad you were safe. I know, I
50:28
Speaker 3: checked in. I was like, I know that's a little
50:30
Speaker 3: presumptuous to text you, but I was like, Okay, I
50:33
Speaker 3: need to know because I'm that person that worries about
50:36
Speaker 3: people that I like, Yeah.
50:38
Speaker 4: We were. We were very lucky. We weren't in any
50:41
Speaker 4: real danger. We were a little worried a couple of times,
50:43
Speaker 4: like when there were three fires going at once in
50:47
Speaker 4: like one to the west, one to the east, and
50:49
Speaker 4: one in the middle. That was when I'm like, if
50:51
Speaker 4: these merge, we're big, but we may Most of us
50:57
Speaker 4: made it out okay, but now we got to help
50:59
Speaker 4: the bee blooted.
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Speaker 3: That's right. Well, thank you so much for coming on,
51:04
Speaker 3: and I know we're all looking forward to talking with
51:06
Speaker 3: you again. When the hearing, the resentencing hearing actually takes
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Speaker 3: place and goes forward, because who knows what will happen
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Speaker 3: before between now and.
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Speaker 4: May nine, I'd look at June June.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like Terry said, thank you so much.
51:24
Speaker 2: I want to let everybody know who's kind of watching
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Speaker 2: us right now that this this this stream is set
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Speaker 2: to destruct. No, it's set to to redirect you to
51:34
Speaker 2: the ten o'clock stream about Trevor Trevor Neely and so
51:39
Speaker 2: we're going to be pushing on into that one. But
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Speaker 2: you won't have to do anything. It should just redirect
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Speaker 2: you there and you can just wait for us to
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Speaker 2: go live. So just that little piece of information for everybody.
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Speaker 3: Well, once again, thank you Scott, and I look forward
51:54
Speaker 3: to talking to you again soon.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having back and anytime you need me,
51:58
Speaker 4: feel free to give me a call.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: Bye bye m