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Ben Roethlisberger vs. Joey Porter: Who's right in their BEEF? · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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We are now talking to former New York Giants Super Bowl champion
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linebacker Gary Reasons. Gary, what's up, buddy?
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Man, oh man, I tell you. Is there enough air in that
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room? Are you breathing?
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OK, yeah, like I say, I love it. Sometimes I, I, you know, I get
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caught with phlegm down my throat.
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Yeah, I. Don't want to do that.
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No, all the production value man, this is great.
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This you guys put it together. Well, I will say this, we have a
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great bunch of guys on the back end, Fish, who you just saw
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during our sports minute, he's our executive producer.
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So we got a bunch of good guys doing the back end.
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And we have our board up guy, Tommy Boops working on the
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sound, making sure that the sound is clear and persistent.
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So Speaking of persistent, the NFL committee is not persistent.
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And I don't I don't know what the hell they're doing because
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Bill Belichick is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
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You were coached by him. You know a little bit about him.
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Actually, you know a lot about him.
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Why do you think the committee has decided to not put him in
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the Hall of Fame for the first time, where he's become
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available as a first ballot Hall of.
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Famer well, I think they basically dropped the ball here.
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There's no doubt about that because Bill definitely a
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deserve for for what he did for the game in the National
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Football League and his and his, his legacy of what he's put
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together as a head coach in the league.
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And then obviously with us as a defensive coordinator has been,
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you know, there there's no one that can match what Bill
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Belichick has done in the National Football League as a
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coach. And he deservedly should get in
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immediately as, as it's available to him.
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But I think there's some powers that be that wanted to wanted to
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kind of slap him on the wrist a little bit for for whatever
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reason, I don't I'm, I'm not going to go into all the all
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those issues, but I think that there was a little bit of of a
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little bit of a conspiracy, I would call it to to keep him out
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of there. Just to say that that he
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probably isn't bigger or as big or bigger than the league or
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bigger than the game. But you know, he did his part.
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I think that he had a tremendous career in the National Football
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League. It may not even be over,
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depending upon what happens with him in North Carolina.
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Who knows. But, but Bill definitely
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deserved to be in and I think it's just a little bit of game
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playing your gamesmanship and just trying to send some subtle
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messages, whatever they may be, to Bill and any others.
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I I just don't, I just don't like that kind of politics.
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So I wanted to know you being obviously a player that played
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with him, like how is he transitioned, like his style and
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his personality on and off the field for when you played.
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So obviously when he became a coach with the Patriots later on
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after you retired until to now because I know you do some
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college football broadcasting as well.
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Like, what do you think the transition of his, like, just
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football career has been like? You know, Bill has always been
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true to himself and really what he is, he's cut and dry,
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straight to the point. When he was coaching us, it was
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he presented us the information, gave us the coaching points that
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he had gleaned from from hours and hours and hours of film
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study and and that's still him today.
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I mean, that's what made him the most successful coach of all
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time. And that's his preparation.
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He the no one was going to outwork Bill.
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No one was going to put a a game plan together that that was
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superlative to his. And I think that and when he had
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a bunch of guys that could play and play well and he did it in a
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couple of spots. Now he he certainly, he
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certainly shine. And I, I, I don't think that
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there's any doubt that Bill Belichick is it was, it's a
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tremendous coach. And but you know, what you see
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is what you get. He hasn't changed.
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He hasn't changed from the day when when when he was with us
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and in East Rutherford for those many ball games and
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championships to what he's doing today in North.
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Carolina Gary, we had one of your old buddies on the show
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last week, Howard Cross and and we kind of went through some of
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the things that the Giants have done in the past.
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And Tom Coughlin was one guy that I thought they mistreated
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at the end of his career with the New York Giants.
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This is a guy that won two Super Bowl championships.
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You know him because he was a part of that staff, the Bill
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Parcells and Bill Belichick staff.
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What do you know about Tom Coughlin that other people don't
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know about him? He's an open book.
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I mean, there's not much about Tom Coughlin that you you need
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to have no otherwise you had a great collegiate career to the
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Giants was was tremendous as an assistant coach on Bill staff.
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And he he worked as though, you know, everything was was perfect
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and he demanded that of his of his of his group, the running
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backs. Obviously with that he worked
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with and I think that, you know, with us when he was in in that
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mode, he really, you know, just shine in what he did.
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Parcells gave his coaches their lanes to swim in, so to speak.
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OK, They didn't, most of them didn't jump across across the
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lanes to try to, you know, out guess the the other the other
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coaches or really out guess Parcells at that point.
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So it was all kind of a bill on top and everybody else is kind
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of looking up to him as far as the coaches go.
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But Tom Coughlin was one of those who, you know, followed,
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you know, you know, about being a being a coach in our on our
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staff. And he was just a tremendous, A
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tremendous resource because he had success at the collegiate
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level. And you know, he brought that to
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to the Giants. And then when he reemerged with
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the Giants, you know you saw what he brought.
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We are talking to former New York Giants Super Bowl champion,
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two time Super Bowl champion linebacker Gary Reasons.
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Lawrence Taylor is one of the greatest, if not the greatest
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defensive lineman of all time. What type of player was it?
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What kind of leader was he in the locker room?
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And, and everybody said he was like a lightning bolt, not only
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in the locker room, but on the football field.
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What do you know about him that other fans don't know about him
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that he has done behind the scenes to hit for his teammates,
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that other people don't understand?
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Lawrence, I think, was a tremendous teammate.
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He played his heart out for everybody.
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You gave your all and he and he noticed that you were giving
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your all. You had no issues with Lawrence,
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but if you were not contributing, if you were not
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putting, putting yourself out there in subtle ways, he would
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he would make let you know that. And I saw a few of those things
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go on. There were a lot of younger guys
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that came through with drafts and different things.
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And you know that he didn't see Fitz here.
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I think he had a couple of conversations with Parcells
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along the way about questioning about some of the some of these
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these personnel that had showed up in our locker room.
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And you know, he he was pretty blunt about it sometimes.
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But when we had a team together for every year, for every
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season, he was as good a teammate as ever, you know, And
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he, he would work his tail off. And I, I think he is the
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greatest defensive player to ever play the game.
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That's that's my take on it because I got to see him on a
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day-to-day basis and I saw the superlative athleticism that he
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possessed that it's just incomprehensible how he could do
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the things he did on the field. So you look at what he did as as
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an edge rusher back in the day in the 80s and early 90s and you
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know, he was tremendous and he set the standard way up here, up
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here for guys to reach to. Well, they're still trying to
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emulate that today. You know, there's not, there's a
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couple of guys that are trying to get close to him in speed and
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not going to get close to him in size, capability and his speed.
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But I think I think that Lawrence really had a lot of
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just God-given traits that he could that he could play and at
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a high level. And that motor never turned off.
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So he was relentless. And that was a key to our
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defense back in the day, being relentless defensive, you know,
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guys on the field and you know, much like the Super Bowl this
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weekend. But the Seahawks they were, in
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that they ran their defense that they were much, much like that
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with their Super Bowl championship.
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So assisting one of your other teammates, Sue and Carl Banks,
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that he's been kind of controversial since he's become
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a New York Giants analyst. I love him.
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Taking shots at some of the Giants fans over there with Eli
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Manning, Odell Beckham we've seen in the past and then this
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year most recently with Dexter Lawrence calling him out for the
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lack of effort and stuff like that too.
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First obviously playing with him like, was he that same kind of
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way as a player? And what if you think thoughts
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him now as an analyst? You know, I think that Carl, he
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and I came into the league in the same year, in 84, in the
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draft. And so, you know, we had good
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friendship and for us to be kind of In Sync as players, we
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started, you know, in 1984, the first game that Parcells will
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allow us to start was was was an against Atlanta is week number
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six. You know, the the games were
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started early on. And then, you know, he put Carl
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and us in and we stayed into the game, but he didn't start us
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until week 6 because he like he like veteran players.
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But Carl, he displayed, you know, they tried to test him in
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training camp. They, they did a lot of things
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for the first round pick, the number three overall pick, which
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is a really super high pick for the Giants back in the day.
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And he got paid quite a bit of money.
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And they wanted to see if he was worth that money for some of the
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things that they put him through physically, mentally in training
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camp. Parcells was all about that,
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trying to create, trying to create toughness on our team and
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trying to agitate Carl a little bit.
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But I tell you what, Carl, Carl persisted and he came through
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shining colors because he showed his physical toughness, his
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grit. And he's that same way today.
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He's not, he hasn't changed either.
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When he sees something that isn't right, he's going to let
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you know it. When he sees something that he
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think can be a fit, he'll let you know that.
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And he's going to do that with consistency and persistency.
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And I think he's, I think he's Carl has worked himself into
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being a quality, quality analyst.
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And really he's got his heart that he that he that he bleeds
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blue with, but he's got to have his mouth out there talking and
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he has to kind of be sometimes in the middle of the road.
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You know, he can't be all giants blue all the time, you know, but
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he's got to be as an analyst. You've got to be down that road.
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When I go to do, you know, I do broadcasting, you know, I'm, I'm
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very much down the middle because, you know, these college
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teams, I'm, I'm not a part of any of them.
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I, I can walk that line and talk about either one of these teams.
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Carl, he knows a lot more about the giants than he does about
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the opponents because of his his proximity.
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And when he goes to do a game, he's trying to be pretty much
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even Steven with, with that, but he can't be it's, it's, it's,
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it's just not there. That's, that's the, the
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broadcast ship of the, the New York Giants, that radio
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broadcast with that he's on. And it's, it's something that
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it's just hard to do, but he's navigating it.
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And, and I think that Carl's got, he brings a lot to the
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game. I think he brings a lot of
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knowledge, a lot of experience, and he's got a lot of great
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thoughts. Jeff Hostetler I remember when
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Phil Simms went down. I was young and a lot of people,
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a lot of Giant fans were worried.
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Phil's Sims, The great Phil Sims goes down.
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We're not winning a Super Bowl. We're not going to make a
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playoff run. And what a playoff run Jeff
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Hostetler had. What type of player was Jeff
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Hostetler? Well, another. 1984 draft member
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with Carl and I, William Roberts and you know, amongst our class.
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But Jeff really, you know, he had no meaningful snaps before
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that point in the season when when Phil got injured.
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So he had to go into the game. And but every one of us on the
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team that was there from the time that Jeff stepped on on the
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the team in in the in the backup role, we could see his
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athleticism, we could see his game savvy.
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We could see how well he competed and he always
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approached every week with a great attitude and he continued
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to do that. So, you know, as we all know,
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you know, the news stories were the seemingly indestructible
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Phil Simms, but at one point when he got when he goes down
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our our season lies in the hands of a player who really hadn't
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had that many meaningful snaps in in his career, let alone the
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season. So that's that was a question
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that had to be answered. And Jeff came through in flying
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colors, as we all know, and I'm very glad that we had that
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quality depth and that quality type of a player.
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And he obviously went on to have a tremendous NFL career.
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So just another one of your teammates, a guy you maybe you
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played against in practice a lot too, one of the greatest tight
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ends of that era. And Mark Bavaro first, like you
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think he changed the tight end position for a lot of what it
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was in the 70s was kind of that real grading type guys and like
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transitioning to what it is now and what was it like going up
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against him in practice? Yeah, Mark was a was a
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tremendous athlete and, you know, kind of a guy, no
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nonsense, just, you know, I'm going to put my head down.
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I'm going to be a tough guy and this is what you're going to
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get. And he's like that.
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And it's just amazing how this this, this fake punt opens up
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right there and I I just get to run down the field.
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I love seeing this anyway. But you know, with the with
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Mark, Mark was a guy who really, really quiet.
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You know, he kind of kept himself really wasn't outgoing,
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but boy, when he was on the field, he had he had a demeanor
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about him that was unmistakable. You ask him, I think he changed
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the game. I think he did have a have a
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huge impact on the game. Not only was he a premium
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blocker at the line of scrimmage, but he had the
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ability to get open, make booze to get out, get it, get out in
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space was it was very adept at catching the football and
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obviously made big plays. And and when he had his head
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down, you know, we all know what what who he could carry and a
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lot of players jump on his back and just take him for a ride.
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That was. That was Marc Duvar.
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We are talking to former New York Giants two time Super Bowl
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champion linebacker Garrett Reasons.
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We we spoke about Tom Coughlin, we spoke about Bill Belichick.
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We have to speak about Bill Parcells.
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I think one of the greatest defensive minds the NFL has ever
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seen. I think people forget what Bill
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Parcells has brought to the game.
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Look at the guys that he has drafted in the past.
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Look at the defensive lineman that have become a Hall of
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farmers. What type of head coach was he
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when you were with the New York Giants?
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I. Think he was the exact fit that
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we needed as a head coach. First of all, obviously Bill, we
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all know this. He's from, he's from the
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Northeast New Jersey guy and you know, another no nonsense guy.
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But the way he commanded the locker room was really magical.
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And the way he did that, he had the best way of being a coach.
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And he was different of how he coached with different players.
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And let me get let me get into this a little bit.
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He knew things about each of us that he knew.
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And any time he was in conversation with you, he would
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pick on those little things and bring them up.
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Whether it was a thorn in your side or whether he's trying to
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uplift you. He knew things about you that
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could push your buttons and he knew how to push those buttons.
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That was his, that was his superpower for him with our team
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in, in that era. And he, he, he came across as a
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guy who obviously had tremendous knowledge of the game, a tough
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guy from the from, from New Jersey.
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There's no doubt about that. And he brought that toughness,
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that blue collar mentality to us every single day.
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He coached his coaches as hard as he coached us.
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Now, when you think about that, that doesn't go talk, go on
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being talked about quite a bit. But when they're upstairs after
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we're all gone and he's and he's going off on those guys, it, it
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was no different than him going off on us on the field because I
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knew that he, he did that with the, with his coaches.
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And he would also lay him out out there on the field with us.
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But you know, he, he had a way of, of making people perform.
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And you know, the, the question that you didn't want to have him
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ask you was Gary, do you want the aisle or the window?
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You know what? That one.
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Means of course, of course. Yeah, we, we just don't want him
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to ask that question. So, but I think Bill Parcells
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was is was one-of-a-kind and definitely a tremendous head
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coach in the National Football League, a legendary, legendary
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figure in the Northeastern New Jersey, New York, and certainly
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someone that had put the team and the community on his back.
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And then he pulled, pulled with him a bunch of guys that he
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pulled together, myself included in the draft in 1984 and, and
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which kind of propelled us into the winning seasons and that
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from that year forward and it and it just kind of worked out
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really, really well. Unfortunately, we had our work
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stoppage that kind of kind of derailed things after our first
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Super Bowl championship. We'll talk about that another
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time. So yeah, let's shift to the
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current Giants. It seems like the linebacker
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position is the one that's gotten a lot of the the drama on
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the defensive side of the ball in the last few years.
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Brian Burns was the one that was calling out the Giants for the
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lack of effort at the end of the first end of the 2024 season.
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And then Kayvon Thibodeau, he's had all his antics.
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He played better this year, but now a big decision.
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Do they trade him? Do they keep him this year?
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And then Abdul Carter was the probably the most notable of all
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late to meetings might have been watching some inappropriate
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things in his rookie season played well after that, but
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still some some issues there. What are your across the all the
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linebacker, all those linebackers and there may be
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some character questions. Well, you, you take Burns.
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And when I, when I first saw Burns playing with the Giants, I
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thought he lacked motivation his first year.
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I, I didn't see that from him. I didn't see the the the all out
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game play that, you know, he was supposed to have.
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He then turned the level the the notch up couple of terms this
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year. And he certainly is now one of
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the cornerstones of that defense.
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And he is definitely a a premium player on the defensive ends as
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an edge rusher, outside rusher. And I think that he brought a
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lot of intensity to the Giants. You know, Abdul, we're all
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expecting to be him, be Superman.
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But let's just face it, he has to mature.
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He has to grow up. He's got to go through the
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paces. You can't you can't expect
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everybody to be the guy you want him to be.
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Put him in a box and be be perfect.
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Character issues, whether or not they're they're they're they're
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that or or what have you. Forget about that.
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Throw that crap out the window. Just get by it and move forward
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and grow. And I think that Abdul Carter at
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the end of the season, he did grow, OK.
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He obviously had some some big plays along the way towards the
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end of the year. And I think that he saw he sees
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in himself what he can become in the National Football League.
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So I don't think that there's any questions about his ability
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or about his about his play. It's just him possibly having a
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a little maturity of growth here potentially.
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It's going to have to be quick if he's going to going to be a
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factor in that Giants defense. We are talking to former New
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York Giants two time Super Bowl champion linebacker Gary
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Reasons. You know John Harbaugh is the
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new head coach for the New York Giants.
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The Giants have gone from coach to coach to coach since Tom
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Coughlin and struck out on every single one of them.
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You look at John Harbaugh, he's been successful.
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He won one Super Bowl, but a lot of people say that wasn't his
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team. Those weren't his players, his
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development of players, Lamar Jackson.
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Lamar Jackson was a guy that didn't want him to come back.
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He told the organization he would rather move forward with a
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new head coach. Do you think that John Harbaugh
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moving on to a new team, a new organization, getting paid as
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much as he has is the right move for the New York Giants?
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Do you think he was the right guy to hire over Mike McCarthy
21:11
or maybe a Tomlin or one of these bigger, more known coaches
21:16
or even the younger coaches like Minter?
21:19
Do you think he was the right guy for the job?
21:20
I absolutely, 100% think that he is the best fit from all of that
21:26
group for the Giants right now. He brings something to the table
21:32
that the previous coaches did not, and it's instant
21:38
credibility. His ability to step in front of
21:42
the team from day one and command a presence of them,
21:46
knowing that he's a disciplinarian.
21:51
He's a guy that is straightforward and the path is
21:55
only one way and that is team and that's winning.
21:58
And with his credentials and his championship caliber background,
22:03
I think that he is out an outstanding choice for the
22:07
giants And so glad that he was available for the giants in in
22:12
in this in this cycle, because, you know, it wasn't written that
22:16
he was going to be on the market, but it happened.
22:19
And I think that it is a really, really good fit.
22:22
He, he, you know, he reminds me of Tom Coughlin coming into, you
22:26
know, the, the Giants organization as a head coach.
22:31
I think that it's going to be something somewhat similar
22:34
because Tom had a great command of, of personnel.
22:38
He had a great command of, of, of the facilities and, and, and,
22:42
and everything around it. I see John Harbaugh stepping in
22:44
there, not missing a beat. I think that he's going to work
22:48
very well with the front office. I, I, I think that there's a,
22:53
the previous head coach, he needed to leave that.
22:57
That's my opinion. And we, we're, we're, we're in
23:00
the right, right position now with, with, with John Harbaugh
23:03
there. And I think he can get the
23:04
Giants back to prominence. I really do.
23:07
So what about some of the assistant coaching hires, Greg
23:09
Roman, they bring in as he has familiarity with John Harbaugh.
23:12
Brian Callahan just brought in as the quarterback coach.
23:14
He did well with Cincinnati. But again, that's Joe Burrow.
23:16
Was he really the reason? And then just struggled this
23:18
year with the Titans as a head coach?
23:20
And then Matt Nagy, I think the one that I kind of questioned
23:23
the most because, yeah, he did well with the Chiefs, but he
23:25
wasn't really the main play caller with the Chiefs with Andy
23:27
Reid. So what are your thoughts on all
23:29
those? I don't care who they are, I
23:31
really don't. It's the head coach's job to
23:34
coach the coaches and the coaches coach the players.
23:38
And it's kind of goes that way. If he had a chance, and I'm sure
23:41
that John will do this and then probably can do it very easily.
23:44
Have a conversation with Bill Parcells, basically talk about
23:47
talk about structure and talk, talk about how you run this
23:50
football team in this kind of environment.
23:53
You know, he was a little bit isolated.
23:54
You know, John, you know, in, in, in his in his former team.
23:58
But but because it's not it's not the bubble that New York is.
24:01
It certainly was not. That's going to be the only
24:03
challenge. Can he navigate the, the media
24:06
waters and so to speak as a head coach in New York?
24:10
I don't think there's going to be an issue.
24:12
I think that he's going to do it just fine.
24:14
But I, I think that he's probably going to possibly throw
24:17
out, throw, throw out the, the, the phone calls to the both
24:20
Tomlin and, and Parcells, not Tomlin, but coach Hoffman and
24:25
Tom and Parcells rather than to have about how do I run this job
24:29
and how do we do this the right way with what I've got.
24:32
And he's going to get that. He's going to get that their
24:34
impressions, and he's going to blend that into what's going to
24:37
be successful for him in New York.
24:39
Gary, you look at Jackson Dart and obviously his first season
24:44
he looked pretty good. He has some ups and downs.
24:47
A lot of people question him moving outside of the pocket a
24:50
little too much, not standing in the pocket and making the
24:52
throws. Do you think a guy like John
24:55
Harbaugh will be able to develop him into the quarterback that a
24:58
lot of Giant fans believe he could?
24:59
Be well. You develop a quarterback best
25:02
by developing the players around the quarterback.
25:05
Agree? Yes, and the reason being is
25:08
that, you know, a quarterback is one guy.
25:10
OK, if that right guard and the right tackle are horseshit, then
25:15
you're going to have to have you're going to have to find
25:17
some way to fix that problem before you're going to fix
25:19
anything. He's going to be getting hit in
25:21
the mouth. OK, There is a clock.
25:23
There's a little clock in the quarterbacks head when when they
25:26
know that that ball needs to be out of their hand or they need
25:29
to take off and run. In Jackson Darts case, he has
25:32
the ability to take off and run when things breakdown.
25:36
We don't need to have him do that as much.
25:40
And I think that in year 2 you're going to see a little bit
25:43
more patience with Jackson simply because of he is the game
25:47
is going to slow down for him a little bit.
25:49
He's going to know what's what is coming, what's understanding
25:52
of his understanding of the game.
25:54
I just hope that, you know, coaching changes and, and, and,
25:57
and changes in, in the system that he doesn't have to catch up
26:02
a lot and, you know, they're trying to re figure things out.
26:05
But I think it was tremendous what what he what he did early
26:09
on. And I just thought he took a
26:12
little bit too much on his shoulder as far as trying to
26:14
make plays. You know, he got it, got it, got
26:17
him dinged a couple of times. So that does happen.
26:20
Joe Shane, a guy that I'm not a big fan of, I I got a chance to
26:25
watch him on Hard Knocks. He pretty much threw Saquon
26:28
Barkley to the dogs and eventually became an Eagle,
26:31
something that John Merritt did not want to happen.
26:34
And now he hires John Harbaugh. And if Joe Shane does not
26:38
succeed this season, a lot of people think he's on the hot
26:41
seat and maybe John Harbell gets to pick his GM to work with.
26:45
Do you believe that Joe Shane is the right guy for the job?
26:48
Do you think he's made more mistakes than right acquisitions
26:52
that has helped this organization move forward?
26:55
I think that he's put players in in there to for the coaches to
26:58
utilize that we're adequate and and unfortunately a couple of
27:02
couple of injuries happened. You know, obviously my league
27:04
going down early was not a was not something that was easily
27:07
overcome this this season. But Sheen, there's you know, I'm
27:13
5050 on him. I think that he understands well
27:18
enough how to put the pieces together.
27:21
The the thing that a general manager and someone who is
27:24
responsible for bringing players into the organization, they have
27:28
to have an alignment with the coaching staff.
27:30
They've got to have an alignment with the vision of what type of
27:33
player, what is the skill set, what is the what is the
27:35
adaptability to the particular system and style that you're
27:38
going to play. And if that aligns with Harbaugh
27:42
and his schemes, there won't be any problems.
27:44
There won't be any issues. I haven't heard of any, any,
27:47
any, any issues or any, or anything where the thought
27:50
process is differing from either one of them.
27:53
I think if there's they're on the same track together and
27:56
that's what they how they should be, it'll all be fine.
27:59
But if something goes wrong and you get a player in or out,
28:02
that's not necessarily in the way of their combined thinking.
28:06
It's tough sledding. It really is it, you know you're
28:08
walking on in murky waters. Both of them are in reality
28:12
because you know, the the team is only as good as the players
28:17
play it on the field and the players have to play the game
28:20
through the tutelage of their coaching staff, not from the
28:24
general manager, but from the coaching staff.
28:27
So that's they have to translate that into workable instruction
28:32
and being able to be a physical force to be able to play.
28:35
That is what what that has to happen.
28:38
There is things that you have to bring other guys along that are
28:42
just pieces of this would be an offensive lineman, defensive
28:45
lineman, you know, secondary, you've got to bring other pieces
28:48
together and they've got to be cohesive.
28:51
This cohesive structure really, I think it, I think it started
28:56
to happen early in the season and then it was kind of wobbling
28:59
in the middle. And I think towards the end,
29:01
they kind of got a semblance of the of the cohesive in his back
29:03
ended on a on a pretty decent, pretty decent note.
29:07
So that is where I think that this team really needs to needs
29:11
to shine. They need to Coheed be cohesive
29:14
and come together. If they do that early in the
29:16
season in 2026, it could be could be special.
29:21
You know, obviously we know it's the 40th anniversary of our
29:23
Super Bowl 21 season coming up. So I'm hoping these guys, you
29:27
know, bring a little fanfare to it.
29:29
I want to shift gears a little bit because I know you do a lot
29:31
of college football broadcasting, obviously a lot of
29:33
landscape to change in college football with the NIL, the
29:36
transfer portal and this new College Football Playoff format.
29:38
There's a lot of old school coaches like Dabo Sweeney and
29:42
Nick Saban taking shots of that in your time broadcasting
29:45
college football, Like, do you think these changes are good
29:47
from what you've seen in the past?
29:50
Absolutely not. I'm an old school guy.
29:53
I, you know, navigating NIL out there is a nightmare.
29:57
Navigating the transfer portal is a nightmare.
30:00
It is, it is really, really difficult.
30:04
You know, I went to a, a school in Louisiana and Northwestern
30:07
State and we're basically, we're, we're Division 1 college
30:10
football program, but we call it the CFCS program.
30:12
It's an FCS school. They play at the FCS level.
30:16
You know, the one thing that is, is, is extremely crazy right now
30:20
is money's flying around right, left with a lot of players and,
30:24
and all the players are just chasing money.
30:26
It's really what that's really what NIL is and really what
30:29
transfer portal is all about is there is these guys are chasing.
30:32
There's no legacy, There's no, there's no loyalty to the team.
30:38
It's it's just a lot of lot of stuff.
30:41
So these coaches have a really real, they preach to him all the
30:45
time about, you know, wanting to be there and be cohesive and all
30:48
this. But well, let's face it, when
30:50
you have 20, thirty, 40% of your team entering that transfer
30:54
portal at the end of the season, everybody's, everybody is, is,
30:58
is, is, is, is trying to find a way to, to do it.
31:02
And it's all comes down to money, you know, and, and
31:05
unfortunately the smaller schools just don't have those
31:07
resources. But you know, the, it's, it's so
31:10
I, I did, I completely dislike it.
31:12
I completely AM. I'm on the, I'm the old school
31:18
guy and I, and I, I'll stay, I'll stay that way.
31:22
I just don't like what it is. But I think what is holding it
31:25
all back? And it's, it's really truly
31:27
it's, it's, it's the fair marketplace.
31:29
You know, we live in a society in in the US that I can't tell
31:34
you how much money you can or should make or what income or
31:37
where you can go to work. It's not my job to do that.
31:40
If I was doing that, I'd be controlling you.
31:42
Oh, that sounds like that. They do what they do to college
31:45
football players. They control them.
31:47
Not anymore. So, you know, with the NFL and
31:50
the NBA and MLB, we all have unions because we join a union
31:54
so that we can collectively bargain for our our rights.
31:58
But the, there's no way there's not a structure right now that
32:02
college athletes are bonding together to have collectively
32:05
bargained rights. So it's, it's really it's, it's,
32:09
it's crazy out there. I don't like it, but it's it's
32:13
something that you know, a lot of people, it's just, it's just
32:16
talk, but there's a lot of money flying around.
32:20
Hey, Gary, it's Aaron Fisher. I'm the producer.
32:23
I just had to ask him. A huge Giants fan.
32:25
I had to ask you a question. I also coached high school
32:27
football up by West Point. And I I obviously I grew up on
32:32
the hit, You know, your play against the Broncos clinching
32:35
the playoffs 89. But and I'll play, I'll play it
32:38
again. I played it a little bit
32:39
earlier, but if I taught somebody to do this, Gary, I
32:44
would probably get fired from my job as a high school coach.
32:47
Because today if you lead with your head, you know, despite the
32:52
fact it was one of the greatest plays I've, you know, in
32:54
football history, in my opinion, they probably flag you for it in
32:58
the NFL today. And I know in youth it's
33:02
something that they really frown upon.
33:04
So I just kind of wanted your take on, you know, how the games
33:06
change. You said you're an old school
33:08
guy, obviously with the NIL, but I can imagine your opinions on
33:11
tackling, you know, the the going from the biting the ball
33:14
to, you know, the rugby style tackling when Pete Carroll kind
33:17
of, you know, did it with the Legion of Boom.
33:19
That's kind of been a big thing in high school circles, and I
33:22
just want to know what your take was on that.
33:24
Well, first of all, you know, back in the day, that was a a
33:27
very physical play and a tough play and, you know, and you dive
33:30
over the top and hopefully you hit something, you dive, you
33:33
take off and hopefully you, you hit your target.
33:35
And I, and I did and, but believe it or not, even in, in
33:40
today's rules, it's between the tackle box.
33:42
So that's a run play. It's a running area.
33:45
There's, there's, have you ever seen a helmet, the helmet call
33:50
called in the in the tackle, tackle to zone.
33:53
No, there's not. So it's a, it's a legal tackle.
33:56
People are confused about that. It's just they can see see it
33:59
coming over the top and it's and it's pronounced, but it's not
34:02
when you're in between the tackles.
34:04
Regardless of that, I am in 100% agreement and favor of some of
34:12
the changes to the game as far as safety, OK, I definitely
34:19
think that some of the protected protections that the receivers
34:23
give as far as getting blown up and things out there.
34:27
And you know, I think those are definitely the way to teach the
34:30
game better. Teaching a style of tackling at
34:33
a youth level and bringing that up through into their high
34:36
school and college days. If they're if they get that far,
34:39
If you know how to tackle from the earliest days and and you
34:42
know, you want to be on the head, head and shoulder area
34:44
here on both sides, you know, and you know, leave that pretty
34:47
smile out of that whole, that whole equation that it'll be
34:50
that way. It takes practice.
34:52
You know, the reps that you do in practice only can can
34:56
translate into the game. And when you're in a situation
34:59
to where you're going to make a tackle or a play, hopefully
35:03
you're going to be coached enough and you've practiced
35:05
enough to where you do it automatically.
35:07
You just make a good sound tackle.
35:09
So the youth coaches of today are as important as the rules
35:15
and the officials and all the different things that go into
35:18
it, because they're the ones teaching the better techniques.
35:21
And I applaud these guys for doing that because they do it in
35:24
a, in a, in a good way, obviously keeping safety in
35:27
mind, keeping players on the field and keeping everybody
35:29
healthy. And it, it, it is one of those
35:32
things that the, the thing has got, I think it's gotten better
35:35
over the course of time. And I'm a former NFL LPA
35:38
executive committee member and you know, I, you know, my, my,
35:41
my legacy is, is kind of down that line of I was on the
35:46
executive committee when the player association, we got free
35:49
agency for the, for the, for the players in 93.
35:52
So that that is is great, that monumental change of free
35:58
agency. And then there's other things
36:00
that have happened with rules that and safety.
36:03
Those are changes to the game that have propelled the NFL to
36:08
be what it is today. I mean, there's there's just
36:11
been tremendous uptick in that. However, now here's the other
36:16
side. The defensive guys in the
36:19
National Football League are at a complete disadvantage when
36:24
you're outside of the box, okay, you can't touch anybody.
36:27
You can't you can't run with them after 5 yards, you can't
36:29
you can't bump into them. Otherwise you're going to throw
36:32
a little yank little, you have a flag.
36:34
But on Sunday in the Super Bowl, you can run and bump and jump
36:39
and you're almost, you're almost can really take them apart.
36:42
But there weren't going to be any flags thrown on Sunday
36:44
because they they were letting the players play.
36:46
That's kind of back in the day, like we had it where we we
36:49
could, we could we could can kind of play like that, but it
36:53
was fair because both teams were were doing so on Sunday.
36:56
So I'm I'm liking some of the note the the non contact as far
36:59
as as keeping guys safe. The rules have been changed and
37:04
obviously you're in more in favor for the offense in the NFL
37:06
today. And you know, it's just it's
37:08
just the way that way it is. And I see the fandom of looking
37:13
to see explosive plays, big passing plays and, and, and
37:16
touchdowns. That's all good.
37:17
It's all good. But when you see a physical,
37:19
tough football game like we saw on Sunday, it kind of takes you
37:23
back to the the era of the 1980s New York Giants that that looked
37:28
like a a normal Sunday for us. Gary, you look at the league,
37:32
you see all the different rule changes and obviously with the
37:36
CT problem they've had over the years, we've had a lot of
37:39
players come on this show and said, said to us and told us
37:43
that the NFL has not taken care of the former players that have
37:47
helped this game grow with obviously insurance policies.
37:51
These guys have had knee problems, back problems, head
37:54
trauma. They're not getting taken care
37:56
of. Do you think that the NFL needs
37:57
to step in and help the former players that helped this game
38:01
grow as big as it's been over the last couple of years?
38:05
Well, when we all signed up to play on the line, on the, on
38:08
the, on the field, we, we knew what we were signing up for, you
38:12
know, as far as potential injuries and and so forth.
38:16
I was one of those players that went through an entire 9 year
38:19
NFL career and never had a major injury.
38:22
I never had an issue. And I was, I was, you know, I
38:27
was kind of built right and being able to stay on the field
38:31
and never missed any time. So I it I had AI had a little,
38:35
little different perspective of the injury situation.
38:38
But I do see guys and and even and even now I I'm I'm
38:42
definitely of the opinion that through collective bargaining
38:47
and what the NFLPA has been able to achieve, they have made
38:50
significant strides though for players and benefits post
38:53
playing and that are going on to you know, I'm I'm my birthday is
38:57
this month. I'm going to turn 64.
38:59
My congratulations. Well, next next year, this time
39:03
at when I turned 65. My, my benefits from the NFL
39:09
stop as far as health benefits, there is what's called an NFL
39:13
dedicated hospital network and we have a stipend every for
39:17
every player that that, that played on a, on a recurring
39:21
every annual basis for primary care.
39:23
And, and I just had, I wound up, I hit, I had, I had an accident
39:27
in Louisiana in May. I was driving my my truck and
39:31
anyways, it was at night and I was going 70 miles an hour and I
39:35
hit an alligator on the highway. And so when I was hitting the
39:39
brake, my left knee popped the popped the dash.
39:41
Anyway, So the next morning I walked up and I woke up and
39:44
started to walk and I stumbled And when I wound up, they
39:49
couldn't take me down to the NFL.
39:50
But that damn alligator got me on the highway.
39:53
And so I had a surgery just in just in November here just to
39:57
clean out a scope for for my left knee.
39:59
But I'm I'm telling you this for one reason is that.
40:02
Through the dedicated NFL, dedicated hospital network for
40:05
former players, we each have a stipend.
40:07
It's $25,000 per year for primary care, but you can think
40:12
they'll also handle some surgical situations and things.
40:15
So to that, I applaud the, the, the NFLPA and the NF and the NFL
40:20
for providing that, that to us. But as I turned 65, those go
40:26
away simply because the NFL and PA figured out that, oh, these
40:29
guys get met to get Medicare. You know, that's probably where,
40:31
that's probably where we'll go. So I, I, I, I'm one of those
40:36
guys that the more we can do through the collective
40:38
bargaining aspect of it for the betterment of players long term
40:43
and, and into the future. Hopefully they they have that
40:47
you when I was with the leadership group of, of Gene
40:50
Upshaw, when he was the executive director of the NFLPA
40:55
and I admired Gene and his and his, you know, just toughness
40:59
and grit and, and how he brought us along.
41:02
And he had, he had a good old saying is that always remember
41:06
the past, do well in the present and look to the future.
41:11
All three areas of players are, are, are what he's talking
41:14
about. And we don't ever want to lose
41:17
sight of of who got us to where we're, where we are today.
41:20
You know, and I'm, I'm one of those guys looking down to the
41:23
current players. Hey, keep us, keep us in your
41:25
crosshairs when you start talking to the NFLPA, how can
41:27
you improve our benefits, which will in turn be your benefits
41:31
when when the time comes down the road?
41:34
But over time, over time, the last couple of collective
41:36
bargaining agreements, there have been, there have been
41:38
significant improvements for former players.
41:41
So I'm a little bit on the other side of the fence on that
41:43
conversation. I, I do think that there are,
41:47
there are available benefits for guys if they can you if they can
41:51
get to them and they know how to do that.
41:52
Most everyone should because there's, it's simple NFL player
41:55
benefits.com go in there, login, you know, figure it out.
41:59
I. Wonder if I could do that.
42:00
I've never been an NFL player. Maybe I could put if you can
42:04
give. It a try if you put in my future
42:07
in the past. Do you want?
42:08
It no all one year worth from Gary reasons here you can have
42:14
my $25,000 take care of yourself Gary.
42:21
I've I've got 2 questions for you.
42:23
One, why isn't Eli Manning a Hall of Famer and #2 the NFL is
42:28
trying to bring in another game 18 game season.
42:32
What is the NFL trying to do here?
42:33
Do you think this is right for the players?
42:35
Is this protecting the players? You said just just a few moments
42:39
ago the NFL is is making great strides on protecting the
42:43
player. Now all of a sudden, ladies and
42:45
gentlemen, you're you're hearing that the NFL wants to bring an
42:49
18 game season. Why do you think the NFL is
42:53
proposing this to the players? One reason, money, it all comes
42:57
down to money and grabbing audience and grabbing viewership
43:01
and, and it's all about money and it always has been.
43:04
So way back when it used to be a 12 game season, way back when it
43:07
used to be a 14 game season, way back when, 16 game season.
43:10
This year, 17 when I was on the PA, an executive group, we were
43:15
fighting and fighting and fighting.
43:16
The expansion of this and, and you know what we went through as
43:21
players in my era, we got paid, guess what, $400.00 a week for
43:26
training camp, $400.00 We didn't get our salaries.
43:29
Then we got $400.00 a week for training camp.
43:32
Go think about that right there. You're, you're putting yourself
43:35
out there in practice for 400 bucks a week.
43:38
My goodness. And you know how, how good does
43:40
that feel? But that's changed a little bit.
43:43
The NFL is trying to grow in in one way.
43:46
It's finding ways to capture audience, give them more viewing
43:49
opportunities. They've already grabbed Monday
43:51
nights for Monday Night Football, Thursday night,
43:53
Thursday Night Football, and then you have sometimes special
43:57
edition Saturday and Sunday, but definitely Sunday.
44:00
And you can see early game, a late afternoon game and then an
44:04
evening game on Sunday. And you know, they're trying to
44:08
find those windows of opportunity because they grab
44:11
audience. And the NFL is the number one
44:15
opportunity for for partners and sponsors and brands to make an
44:18
impact through through television, you know, in, in in
44:22
today's world. And it is, there's nothing
44:24
getting close to it. So when you think about the
44:27
impact that the NFL has has had, that's why there's so much
44:30
revenue, there's so much growth and it's deserving, you know,
44:34
the players going to get get their part and, and it's, and
44:37
it's, it's something that the the brands are trying to
44:40
capitalize on. So going to another ball game,
44:44
first of all, I'll tell you this, as as players age, going
44:48
through their careers, your body slow, the healing times slows
44:53
down. So when you get to 252627,
44:57
you're you're, you're, you're you.
44:59
What used to be used to as a 22 year old, you could pop right up
45:02
and go and but when you get to that, that, that a 2526, it
45:06
starts to slow down. And as you get into your 30s, it
45:09
starts to get, take longer to get healed every single week.
45:13
I see, I see an issue out there. I don't know what that, that
45:16
magical balance is of, of, of time before games and those
45:21
kinds of things. They're different that they
45:23
really are. It's, it's different for a lot
45:25
of guys to be able to do that. Recovery times are, are
45:28
challenging. And then you have, you know,
45:30
just trying to put your body out there for an extra weekend.
45:36
And believe it or not, there will not be an agreement by the
45:40
national, by the NFL, PA without extending salaries one more week
45:46
as far as you know, whatever the gross is.
45:50
Yeah, there's going to be, there's going to, if there is a
45:52
game added to the, to the, to the schedule again, which they
45:57
have now, there will be another bump in player salaries.
46:01
And it's, and it's not going to be organic.
46:04
It's going to be automatic because they're just, they're
46:07
just extending it and you have to pay them because you're going
46:10
to have a right an opportunity to derive designated gross
46:15
income from the broadcast and, and game, game, game gate
46:19
receipts and everything else. So I don't necessarily like it.
46:24
I don't I don't like extending it.
46:26
But you know what's better than being home on the couch for for
46:29
as many weekends as we can watching the NFL?
46:31
That that's the fans point of it.
46:33
The fans don't understand what it takes to get ready every
46:35
single week and how, how, how, how, how difficult it is from
46:39
Sunday to Sunday just to get your body healed.
46:42
Eli Manning, Why is he not in the Hall of Fame?
46:44
What the hell, I think. I think, I think there's some
46:46
monkeying around going on too there.
46:49
There's some there's some players out there that are in in
46:51
this this world that are not really coming to the realization
46:57
that that he's a a bona fide deserved entry into the Hall of
47:02
Fame. There's you look at his body of
47:04
work. It is it is comparable to more,
47:08
if not it not most of the the enshrined already NFL
47:13
quarterbacks that are in in the in the Hall of Fame and with his
47:17
legacy of championships, basically how he conducted
47:21
himself with one team. I, I, I can't I can't say
47:26
enough. I I was fortunate enough to be
47:28
inducted in the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame.
47:31
Eli and I was the first New York former Giants player to be
47:33
there. I had to I had to bring Eli
47:35
along in and had had him there sitting there with him in in
47:40
Louisiana a few years back when he was when he was brought in
47:43
there and it was it was fun to visit with him.
47:45
He he's just, you know, he and his brother.
47:47
They're, they're those guys. They, they're, they've got the
47:50
world, you know, looking at them and they're, they're in a good
47:54
spot, but there's a deserving spot that he needs to be.
47:58
And it's a, it's in that Hall of Fame next to his brother.
48:02
And I think that that's going to happen sooner than later.
48:05
Gary, we really appreciate the time we got to get you on the
48:07
show. This was one of those interviews
48:09
we got to get to know you a little bit.
48:11
I'm a little crazy. My interviewing could be a
48:14
little outlandishly nuts, but I wanted to be professional
48:18
tonight. I wanted to give you a
48:19
professional interview and kind of give you my, my take on what
48:22
I thought or what you think of your New York Giants.
48:26
I am a Jet fan. Everyone of everybody else on
48:29
this show besides Joppa or Giant fans, we have Fish, who you just
48:32
met. Speedy and Tommy Poops over
48:35
here. They're all Giant fans.
48:37
I, I do not hate the Giants. I never hated the Giants.
48:40
I just can't stand the Giant fan.
48:43
Are you? Hey, let me ask you a question
48:44
here, Jets fan. Are you on medication too?
48:46
All the time. All the time, man.
48:48
I'm on. Blood pressure, cholesterol, I
48:50
mean, you name it, I'm on it. I have acid reflux.
48:53
I mean, I'm on. I just, I was just looking, you
48:56
know, the one little picture I can see of you, I thought that
48:58
there might be a little something going on, so.
49:04
Well, I'm a little crazy and if you actually listen to the show
49:08
and we've been a top 100 show in well, we're right there.
49:11
I think we were ranked 1:15 today.
49:13
The other day we were one O 6. We're one of the best shows
49:16
right now in the country. Nathan reached out to us and he
49:19
always gives us such great guests and he had we had Howard
49:22
Howard cross on last week from your giant team and now we had
49:26
you. You're sensational.
49:28
Keep up the good work and let me show.
49:30
You what I'm doing now. Also, I'm kind of paring down my
49:33
broadcast work and that is all kind of by design.
49:37
And really what I've I've done is I've put together a, a
49:41
platform and it's called Reasons to Believe.
49:45
I have a book that I've penned, it's coming out this spring,
49:49
Reasons to Believe. And it all supports what I'm
49:52
doing now. And what I basically do is I
49:53
teach leaders how to perform under pressure.
49:56
It's from using lessons that I've learned from my days
50:00
playing in the NFL under championship environments, as
50:02
well as 30 years in broadcasting.
50:04
And, and also I've been an executive for for 20 plus years
50:07
in in the corporate space. So I take that to companies,
50:13
corporate environments and give them some messaging and, and,
50:16
and teach them along the way. So this platform Reasons to
50:20
believe it's it's out there now go to garyreasons.com and you
50:24
can find out all about it and happy to visit with anybody,
50:28
keynote speaker, event speaker, but also this Reasons to believe
50:31
platform, you're going to hear quite a bit about it upcoming
50:34
year, this year, I believe and along with this book and I'll be
50:38
back, I'll be happy to come back on and put these out and we'll
50:41
and we'll talk it up, OK. Absolutely.
50:43
I think you're a great personality.
50:45
I think you have a lot to say and I think you can give so much
50:48
information not only about football, but really the back
50:52
end of, you know, careers and, and growing into a personality
50:57
and, and, and really going after your goals.
50:59
So why not? Gary, I, I love you, man.
51:01
You've done everything that you've done in your career.
51:05
You could see that you're a champion and, and you've built
51:08
such a great rapport in this business outside of the game of
51:11
football. It's, it's pretty cool.
51:12
It's and I I wish you nothing but the best and and we
51:15
definitely would like like to get you on again.
51:18
Thanks guys. I appreciate it.
51:19
It's fun tonight. Absolutely.
51:21
Ladies and gentlemen, 2 time Super Bowl champion, the one
51:25
they call Gary Reasons. The man, the myth, the legend,
51:31
sensational. Thank you, Nath.
51:33
He was a great 1. He really was.
51:35
I loved it. Absolutely loved it and looking
51:38
forward to getting him on. We'll talk a little bit about
51:40
his book. We'll speak and we'll deliver.
51:43
Now ladies and gentlemen, we call this What's Beef?
51:55
Do you know what beef is? Do you know what beef is?
51:59
Which? One are you afraid?
52:01
I fight you both together If you want.
52:03
I fight you about 1 poor time behind my back.
52:05
I fight you, stand on my foot. I fight you with my eyes.
52:09
Close. What are you?
52:09
Scared. Watch your mouth.
52:12
I see you guaranteed to be. I see you one more time.
52:18
You want to jerk me off? All right, guys, welcome to
52:25
Beef, a segment that we do whenever there's.
52:29
Beef. In the sports world, Errol, we
52:33
talked about it earlier today when I had you on the phone.
52:36
Ben Rodlisberger was called out on the Cam Hayward podcast by
52:42
Joey Porter Senior. I think we've got the clip,
52:46
Speedy. Why don't you roll the credits
52:49
here? The Brotherhood because like.
52:52
The. Shit the seven do that did that
52:55
we don't talk about is crazy like like out of anybody should
53:01
talk. He should never grab a
53:02
microphone and really talk steal a business because if we talk
53:06
and steal a business, his ass is foul of all foul.
53:11
Like the shit that he's did is foul of all foul.
53:13
He's not a good teammate. Won a Super Bowl, would he?
53:17
But the person, he's just not a good teammate.
53:20
Like he knows that. Anybody in the Steeler building
53:24
knows that. But we protected him because
53:28
I've only won one Super Bowl, and that was my quarterback.
53:31
So do I love my quarterback? Yeah.
53:32
But is he a good person? No.
53:36
There it is, Errol. After this happened, there were
53:40
a number of people that came out and supported what Joey Porter
53:45
junior had to say, including Mason Rudolph, who was drafted
53:50
as Ben Roethlisberger's backup. There were a few other ones,
53:55
mostly because they're going after Tomlin.
53:58
Roethlisberger kind of said that maybe it's time for Tomlin to
54:00
step down. The fact that he went after the
54:03
guy that might be the only one he couldn't talk about set off a
54:08
Spieler's veteran. And a lot of guys, even though
54:10
Cam Hayward stayed very quiet the entire time, we're not
54:13
happy. So, Errol, what's the deal with
54:15
this beef? Well, there's a lot of
54:17
quarterbacks that we've heard are not liked by their
54:20
teammates. Aaron Rodgers being another one.
54:22
Brett Favre was another one. Phillip Rivers, we've heard
54:26
through the Grapevine, people didn't like very, very much.
54:29
Even though a lot of people that have been on this show said he
54:32
was a good teammate. There are a lot of guys that
54:34
you're not going to like playing over years and years of time on
54:38
that roster. We all know that Ben
54:39
Roethlisberger had rape charges. We all know that Ben
54:42
Roethlisberger didn't take care of himself.
54:45
He was riding a motorcycle when the team told him not to
54:49
continue riding on a motorcycle. He got into a bad accident,
54:52
almost hurt his career and hurt the the Pittsburgh Steelers and
54:56
and really the growth in the championship competitive team
54:59
they were after that. I think obviously Joey Porter
55:03
and a lot of guys didn't like him because of who he was in his
55:06
personality. And, and we've heard this many,
55:08
many times. Ben Roethlisberger wasn't a
55:11
person, a leader in the locker room, but when he went out
55:13
there, he played hard. He was an elite quarterback, he
55:16
won championships, and I think this might hurt him as a first
55:19
ballot Hall of Famer. He might not be a first ballot
55:21
Hall of Famer because of the fact that his own teammates
55:24
didn't like him, but was he one of the greats of this era?
55:26
100%. Is Joey Porter wrong about him
55:29
coming out and speaking about closed door kind of stuff?
55:33
No, you know why? Because all Steeler players over
55:36
the years have thrown teammates under the bus Antonio Brown,
55:39
Le'veon Bell. How many guys do we have to
55:41
mention? Juju Smith?
55:44
Schuster, all these guys have something to say about the
55:47
organization and why? Because Mike Tomlin was there.
55:50
Mike Tomlin was a player's coach, but he didn't know how to
55:53
control his locker room. These guys spoke when they
55:56
wanted to speak and they they thrown teammates under the bus
56:00
many, many times. We all know the the competition
56:03
they've had over the years with the Bengals.
56:05
Remember that perfect Devante, perfect hit against Antonio
56:09
Brown and teammates came out and protected Antonio Brown, the
56:13
same guy that locked himself into a house and threaten to
56:17
kill people. All right, That same guy that
56:19
Joey Porter and all these guys stuck up for Antonio Brown.
56:23
How many times did we hear that Joey Porter said that Le'veon
56:26
Bell is a good guy? This is the same guy that was
56:28
raping his cousin at the age of 14.
56:31
So am I going to sit here and believe that Joey Porter's wrong
56:35
about Ben Roethlisberger Probably knows something that we
56:38
don't know. And I'm not saying Ben
56:40
Roethlisberger is a good guy. I don't think any guy is a good
56:44
guy when your teammates coming out and throwing you under the
56:46
bus. But to say something like that
56:49
on a podcast and when somebody can't protect himself, if you're
56:53
a man, do it when Ben Roethlisberger is there.
56:56
Go on his show and call him out on his show.
56:58
Don't go on another show and throw a man under the bus.
57:01
I'm looking forward to hear what Ben Roethlisberger has to say
57:04
about Joey Porter and his personality because we all know
57:07
what Joey Porter was as a player.
57:09
He was first of all, cheap shot type of hitter.
57:12
He talked a lot of crap. He spoke a lot, lot of crap
57:15
about players on his own roster. And by the way, he's thrown
57:19
coaches under the bus on that same roster on the Pittsburgh
57:22
Steelers and now his own son is the starting corner on that
57:26
roster. So I don't know if I'm going to
57:28
take everything that Joey Porter said.
57:30
Am I going to judge what he said about Ben Roethlisberger?
57:34
We already know that Ben Roethlisberger is not a good guy
57:37
after all the things that he's done on and off the the football
57:40
field. So he's not, he's probably not
57:42
lying. I just think it was the wrong
57:44
platform to attack somebody that wasn't there to defend himself.
57:47
We talked about it with the the Seahawks, with Russell Wilson
57:50
versus the Legion of Boom and that whole locker room fallout.
57:53
And we have a defense that was that good, like the steel the
57:56
Steelers were even then, even before Mike Tumlin got there
57:58
with Bill Cower. There was a lot of really good
58:00
players on that team and obviously a lot of outspoken
58:03
personalities on that team. In addition to Joey Porter, you
58:05
also have guys like Ike Taylor, who said a lot of things since
58:08
he retired and has joined NFL Network and a bunch of other
58:10
platforms. Brian McFadden, who's the other
58:12
opposite corner has been on CBS Sports and he's been pretty out
58:16
there too. But Porter was the one that on
58:17
that team that was kind of an instigator in his own right to
58:20
Tommy and I were talking about the we were talking about him as
58:24
a coach too, when he was an assistant coach under Tomlin in
58:27
that Steelers Bengals playoff game.
58:28
I believe it was Reggie Nelson was he was instigating on the
58:31
sideline, I believe in the second quarter of that game.
58:34
And so there was always a little bit of that bad blood going
58:38
there. Now, I I get I'm going to
58:39
believe the majority when it comes to Ben Roethlisberger
58:42
obviously not being a good guy, which again, he obviously should
58:45
have been suspended a lot longer than four games for those rape
58:47
charges at the time, but the NFL wasn't really on the.
58:50
And the Steelers were protected, Yeah.
58:52
The NFL wasn't really on the let's suspend him for massive
58:55
long periods of time really, until the domestic violence
58:57
instances really piled up, starting with Ray Rice.
58:59
What I don't understand is he came out, he said this is my
59:02
quarterback and we tried to protect him.
59:04
We tried to keep everything outside of the locker room,
59:07
inside of the locker room. OK, then why are you speaking
59:10
about it now? Why are you throwing this guy
59:12
under the bus now that you're you're not even in the locker
59:15
room anymore? You guys go now there's going to
59:18
be times where the team's going to have special opportunity that
59:22
that they're going to have. What do they call it?
59:24
Anniversaries, where championship anniversaries.
59:27
How is that going to work when you have Ben Roethlisberger, the
59:30
quarterback, one of the leaders of the team going to actually go
59:34
into a locker room or going to do an anniversary dinner with
59:37
these guys that are speaking garbage and trash about them?
59:40
I don't think it's going to work.
59:41
I think it affects, you know, affects the anniversary thing.
59:44
And I just don't think it's the right time to do it.
59:46
Not at this time, not during the Super Bowl, not coming out on
59:50
another podcast. If you're going to call somebody
59:52
out, call him out on his own podcast, invite yourself on
59:56
there and just have a a conversation with Ben.
59:58
But listen, I don't think Ben is is a good person.
1:00:01
I don't know him personally so I don't know, but I've heard
1:00:04
through the Grapevine he's not very.
1:00:06
Very good and it just comes from a different culture and and
1:00:09
honestly, I I do believe that in Pittsburgh they allowed their
1:00:13
players to do whatever the hell they wanted.
1:00:15
Everybody says that Tomlin was a player's coach.
1:00:18
Well, look at the bad players he's had on those teams in those
1:00:21
organizations. Look at George Pickens, he goes
1:00:23
to another organization. He's one of the best wide
1:00:25
receivers in the NFL. He never got a chance to be that
1:00:29
player with Mike Tomlin. He leaves.
1:00:31
He is. So do you think it's the player
1:00:35
or is it Mike Tomlin not be able to control his players with the
1:00:39
different personalities in that locker room?
1:00:41
That's all I'm. Saying yeah, I think the other
1:00:42
thing too is Ben Roethlisberger also went to another extreme
1:00:44
with Tomlin. I think a lot of the younger
1:00:46
players are going to defend him more.
1:00:47
Porter was one that played with Coward too, so he obviously
1:00:52
played with Tomlin. But again, he still has the
1:00:53
allegiance of the previous regime too.
1:00:55
And a lot of the, I think the most outspoken ones against Ben
1:00:59
Roethlisberger have been all those like the, I guess the
1:01:01
nuttiest of the nuts with Antonio Brown, with Le'veon
1:01:05
Bell, Even Rashard Mendenhall, we talked about another story
1:01:07
with him like 3 years ago was saying something sexist too.
1:01:10
Like those are the ones that have been the most against Ben
1:01:13
Roethlisberger. On the offensive side, I think
1:01:15
Porter's kind of the leader of that on the defensive side.
1:01:17
But I think there is a little bit of a generational guy.
1:01:18
But like you said, if there's any ever an anniversary for that
1:01:21
Super Bowl team, it's going to be very awkward.
1:01:23
Do you think that he even gives a crap what these guys think of
1:01:26
him? I, I probably not, but I, I
1:01:29
think if I was Ben Roethlisberger and I was a part
1:01:31
of this Pittsburgh Steelers greatness for so many years and
1:01:35
I was the face of that greatness, I'm not going to sit
1:01:38
here and listen to Joey Porter speak bad about me.
1:01:41
I'm a Hall of Famer, not you, Joey.
1:01:43
I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be inducted
1:01:46
into Canton. You're not Why?
1:01:48
Why is anybody going to listen to you when I was the superstar
1:01:51
player of that a team in that organization for so many great
1:01:54
years. So and without Joey Porter or
1:01:56
with Joey Porter, they weren't a championship team.
1:01:59
If Ben Roethlisberger wasn't there, they don't win the
1:02:02
championships or the championship.
1:02:05
The first championship really had nothing to do with him, but
1:02:07
the second one had everything to do with Ben Roethlisberger.
1:02:09
So I, I just, I, I think Joey Porter did it in a way where I
1:02:14
think it's, I think he stabbed him in the back.
1:02:17
I think that was the wrong way of doing it.
1:02:19
If you're going to call somebody out, you know, Ben
1:02:21
Roethlisberger has a podcast. Invite yourself on and ask him,
1:02:25
call him out. He's like, do you think you are
1:02:27
a good teammate? Ben will tell you the truth.
1:02:29
And, and, and that might have been more interesting to see how
1:02:33
they would react against each other than him going on another
1:02:36
podcast and throwing the man under the bus where he has no
1:02:39
way of protecting himself. I hate that because I've heard,
1:02:42
and I'm going to say this truthfully, I have listened to
1:02:46
other podcasts, people that I know that have thrown me under
1:02:48
the bus, thrown me under the bus and I've listened to it.
1:02:52
I never took a shot at them at any point of their careers.
1:02:56
They came out and took a shot at me and nonchalantly and thought
1:03:00
that I wasn't going to hear it and now I can throw them under
1:03:04
the bus and attack him. Now do I think that was foul?
1:03:06
Absolutely. Why?
1:03:08
If you have something to say about me, come on my show.
1:03:10
But you don't have the balls to come on this show because you
1:03:12
know what's going to happen if you do.
1:03:14
I'm going to counter on you and I'm going to call you out on
1:03:16
everything that you said. So I unfortunately, some guys
1:03:21
hide behind a mic and others don't need to hide up behind a
1:03:24
mic. They'll say what they feel.
1:03:26
I think Ben would have loved to attack or even go back and forth
1:03:32
with a guy like Joey Porter in person on a mic.
1:03:35
I just don't important. I think Joey Porter was foul
1:03:38
doing it the way he did it. That's all.
1:03:39
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So we're very excited for that. And again, thank you to all the
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fans that tune into US, support us, love us, give us all the the
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gratitude and and graciousness of, you know, just what we do
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behind the scenes, all the work that we put into this.
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This is this is not easy. This is not a normal podcast.
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There's a lot of work that gets put on the back end of this.
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We should have Jabba on next Monday.
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Jabba is traveling so hopefully everything is well with him and
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again have a good weekend. Enjoy this horrible basketball
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weekend. This All Star break of garbage,
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the slam dunk contest, the three-point contest and whatever
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Adam silver or whatever we want to call them the ugly duckling
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has in stored for you fans. So it is horrible, but it it's
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an enjoy the Olympics. the United States woman's and men's
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hockey team, I think they played today.
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The men's team, I don't know if they won or lost.
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I got to check it out. But I enjoy the rest of the
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Olympics. And we will see you on Monday.
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Goodnight. It is the worldwide sports radio
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network.