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The Late Debate | 19 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome the Late Debase. Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm James Macpherson with Nika to Georgio and Waverley Liberal
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  Speaker 1: Councilor Michelle Stevenson. How are you both, Anika, You're good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very good.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Great to be here. It is Wednesday.
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  Speaker 4: We've made it through halfway through the week already, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Been a massive newsweek, hasn't it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what you're talking about. Did
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  Speaker 5: anyone talk anyone talking about sports?
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  Speaker 2: No, one's talking about sports.
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  Speaker 3: No one's talking about No.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's quite a bit of sport later on in
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  Speaker 1: the show. But here's what's coming up. More Australians, especially
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  Speaker 1: in rural areas, are subscribing to Elon Musk's Starlink satellite service.
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  Speaker 1: But is that creating a dangerous dependence on the world's rich.
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  Speaker 1: Just man Ricky Gervais plans to marry his long term
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  Speaker 1: partner of forty four years for tax purposes. Lovers all
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  Speaker 1: you need and it financial incentive definitely helps. And Tania
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  Speaker 1: Plimasek has slammed the Sydney Swans for not doing enough
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  Speaker 1: to demonstrate respect for women, which is kind of awkward
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  Speaker 1: because five minutes earlier, she was defending Elbow's comments about
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  Speaker 1: the Japanese Prime Minister's melons. We'll get to all of
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  Speaker 1: that shortly, but first, Andrew Hasty is determined to fight
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  Speaker 1: the Labor government. Unfortunately, he appears to have spent most
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  Speaker 1: of his ammunition shooting at One Nation. The liberal leadership
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  Speaker 1: hopeful who's under considerable pressure to retain his seat from
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  Speaker 1: a surging One Nation, has accused his Orange opponents of
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  Speaker 1: orchestrating an online campaign against him, and he wasn't shying
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  Speaker 1: away from a fight when he spoke to ABC Radio
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  Speaker 1: earlier today.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I love pressure, Sally. I wouldn't be in this
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  Speaker 6: job if I didn't. I also love a fight, and
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  Speaker 6: I know people like James Ashby are coming for me.
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  Speaker 6: He's got his orders from above, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: hold my seat because I believe I'm the best person
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  Speaker 6: to deliver for the people of County as I have
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  Speaker 6: over the last eleven years. Will it be a tough fight, absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: Is it dirty and nasty, yes it is.
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  Speaker 1: Well if One Nation have made this personal, Andrew Hasty
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  Speaker 1: has certainly taken the bait. I'm just not sure all
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  Speaker 1: this talk about fighting one nation and meeting one nation
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  Speaker 1: on the battlefield and never bending the knee to one
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  Speaker 1: nation is quite the winning message, he thinks it is.
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  Speaker 1: You don't win back a voter by telling them their
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  Speaker 1: new political crush is the enemy. You win them back
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  Speaker 1: by acknowledging why they left you in the first place
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  Speaker 1: and explaining how you'll do better if given another opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: Michelle, Yeah, look, I love how you went straight to me.
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  Speaker 2: I am on.
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  Speaker 5: Andrew Hasey's side here. I mean, they came after him
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  Speaker 5: at first and foremost, and he had no other decision
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  Speaker 5: but to go out and go hard. Look, at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the day, what is one nation but just
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  Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson At this point, we don't really have a
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  Speaker 5: lot going on. We know Victoria is kind of we're
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  Speaker 5: getting to know a bit about them a little bit more,
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  Speaker 5: and they're really close to an election.
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  Speaker 2: But look, one Nation to me is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: kinder surprise, the sweet.
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  Speaker 5: On the outside, but you open up, you don't know
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  Speaker 5: what you're getting on the inside, really, and it'll take
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  Speaker 5: a while to put it together as well.
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  Speaker 3: Well. I actually disagree.
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  Speaker 4: I think you do know what you get with no
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  Speaker 4: with one nation. I think Pauline Hanson has been pretty
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  Speaker 4: upfront about him. He's ever since the missis Earliament. But
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  Speaker 4: I think it's pretty obvious what I do agree with
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  Speaker 4: your point that there needs to be policy that absolutely,
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  Speaker 4: I think it is time we start seeing some actual
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  Speaker 4: policy decisions. But I think when I think of one nation,
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  Speaker 4: I think of a party that stands up for Australia.
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  Speaker 4: I think of a party that understands that we have
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  Speaker 4: significant migrational problems. It's a party that stands up for
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  Speaker 4: these migrational problems that we're having, and a party that's.
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  Speaker 3: Not afraid to talk about radical Islam. Now. I have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of respect for Andrew Hasty.
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  Speaker 4: I came out and I backed him to be the
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  Speaker 4: leader of the Liberal Party. But quite frankly, I'm sick
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  Speaker 4: to death of Andrew Hasty talking about one nation every
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  Speaker 4: time he gets on air.
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  Speaker 3: And I understand that he's.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously being asked about it, but stop bagging out one nation.
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  Speaker 4: Shouldn't he be talking about the Labor Party. Isn't that
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  Speaker 4: the enemy of this country? And again, the problem is
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  Speaker 4: is that the Liberal Party has lost so many votes
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  Speaker 4: voters right to one nation. I don't think that bagging
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  Speaker 4: one nation out is going to make those voters crawl
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  Speaker 4: back to the Liberal Party. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 4: alienate them further.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I kind of disagree because I think what it
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  Speaker 5: might do is you might bring a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: voters from Labor who are very disillusioned over into the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party camp. So I think that that's kind of
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  Speaker 5: a good play here. But I do also think when
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  Speaker 5: we look at Hasty, he's got to go out hard
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  Speaker 5: because they are coming after him first. And I think
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  Speaker 5: they have made it clear that even though they said, look,
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  Speaker 5: we don't want to split the vote our fighters not
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  Speaker 5: with the Liberal Party, it is with Labor. But yet
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  Speaker 5: they've gone hard after Hasty. I think he's had no
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  Speaker 5: other option but to go hard after them, and I
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  Speaker 5: am backing him for this one.
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  Speaker 1: I just think he should go hard after the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 1: And I get I wonder how much of this is
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  Speaker 1: media generated, right, because the easiest thing for the media
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  Speaker 1: is to pit one nation against liberal because far more
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  Speaker 1: interesting to the general public policy is conflict. Right. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of media thrives on conflict, and so a lot
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  Speaker 1: of liberal politicians do get asked about one nation, And
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  Speaker 1: I think to a man and a woman, they should
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  Speaker 1: buy all means necessary resist answering that question and immediately
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  Speaker 1: pivots straight back to the Labor government and attack the
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  Speaker 1: Labor government. And in that regard, Hasty shown himself to
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  Speaker 1: be Well. It was good that they didn't make him
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  Speaker 1: the leader, because I think his judgment is poor. He
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  Speaker 1: falls for this all the time. And I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you everything Hasty said about one Nation, and I've not
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  Speaker 1: paid a lot of attention to Hasty, but I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: tell you that much that he said about the government,
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  Speaker 1: and he probably has. But it's what he says about
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  Speaker 1: one Nation that makes the news and that's I think counterproductive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he could have said, I assume that he was
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  Speaker 4: asked about it in the interview that he gave with
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  Speaker 4: the ABC. He could have said, I'm not here to
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  Speaker 4: talk about one nation. One nation is one nation. I'm
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  Speaker 4: here to fight for this country, for Australians and to
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  Speaker 4: talk about the Liberal Party and move the message back.
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  Speaker 4: But obviously he is increasingly worried about his own season.
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  Speaker 4: He mentioned that in the interviews, so he naturally wants
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  Speaker 4: to talk about it because he's fighting for his own survival.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think that he is doing voters any
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  Speaker 4: fail and I think he's just alienating the base even further.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, because I'm so sick of this
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  Speaker 5: conversation around what the base is.
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  Speaker 2: What the base is?
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a free flowing concept. At this point
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  Speaker 5: in time. Everyone's all over the shop, particularly because they
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  Speaker 5: hate labor, so they're just trying to work out where
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  Speaker 5: they fit in the landscape.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't like this idea of base. What is
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  Speaker 2: that base?
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  Speaker 5: I think the Liberal Party is slowly getting there. I
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  Speaker 5: think Angistell is doing a really good job leading the
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  Speaker 5: party at the moment, and I do and I really
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  Speaker 5: like Jane Humer's deputy. So I think, you know, we're
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  Speaker 5: making headway. You can see it in the polling we're making.
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  Speaker 5: We've got some green shoots there. But look, I get
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  Speaker 5: what Andrew hast is doing. I don't fault him for it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, after all, he is a former soldier.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I talked about the fact that he's accused One
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  Speaker 1: Nation of orchestrating an online campaign against him. One Nation
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  Speaker 1: have taken that criticism and turned it into satire. I've
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  Speaker 1: had a look into all your negative comments they're not
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  Speaker 1: real criticism from conservatives. You've totally betrayed. It's actually an
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  Speaker 1: army of bots that Paul It adds it paid to attack.
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  Speaker 3: You, really, but I thought all that support was really
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  Speaker 3: try to sell out, washed up doubtless baggot. Oh no,
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  Speaker 3: this is foreign interference on you. The hatred gives me,
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  Speaker 3: wasn't Organich pull in?
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  Speaker 1: Hence it's targeting me and only me because she knows
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  Speaker 1: I'm the chosen one. When you've got satirists like that,
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  Speaker 1: one nation always win, Hasty said. Recently. He was quoted
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  Speaker 1: in the Australian Financial Review that, in his mind, the
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  Speaker 1: Liberal Party should never indicate anything to voters other than
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  Speaker 1: an absolute commitment to winning that seat. I agree with
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  Speaker 1: him on that. My quibble with him is that the
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  Speaker 1: best way to win the seat is not attacking one nation.
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  Speaker 1: You just elevate one nation in the public eye by
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  Speaker 1: doing that. Just keep attacking labor and keep promoting what
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  Speaker 1: you would do if re elected and if put into government. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's especially at a time when this budget is
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  Speaker 4: having more and more strain on households and we're going
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  Speaker 4: to get to the Australian newspaper a little later on
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  Speaker 4: the show, and you just see just how bad debt.
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  Speaker 3: Is in this country.
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  Speaker 4: It's it is so bad when you put it into
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  Speaker 4: figure terms. Now is the time to go hard on
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  Speaker 4: Albert Easy when a labor is particularly at its lowest point.
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  Speaker 5: I agree, But you do have to differentiate yourself from
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  Speaker 5: One Nation in the same breath as well.
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  Speaker 2: You can't be reliant.
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  Speaker 5: On people thinking that if they want to make a
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  Speaker 5: conservative choice, they can choose either One Nation or either
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  Speaker 5: Liberal party.
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  Speaker 2: You do need to also attack them on some level.
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  Speaker 4: But do you agree Michelle that right now One Nation
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  Speaker 4: is basically the opposition.
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  Speaker 5: I think polling I can't trust polling because what are
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  Speaker 5: people actually polling at the moment. There is no policy.
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  Speaker 5: There aren't any people to vote for.
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  Speaker 1: I just should do with you. There's no policy. I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think One Nation have got more policy out in
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  Speaker 1: the public domain than the Liberal post.
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  Speaker 2: They haven't, God, they have not.
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  Speaker 3: They have not.
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  Speaker 1: Bad Someday agenda at the weekend talking about how well
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  Speaker 1: we're still considering a whole lot of policies.
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  Speaker 5: With they're considering a whole lot of policies, but we
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  Speaker 5: still have a whole bunch out there as well. Like
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  Speaker 5: even Andrew, like we've got like housing where we're wrapping
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  Speaker 5: up the finishing touches on my graat. I mean I'm
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  Speaker 5: talking like I know, I'm like just a local councilor guys,
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  Speaker 5: I'm in the party room. No, but like, there are
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  Speaker 5: a lot of policies out there.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly don't think it's accurate to say one nation
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  Speaker 1: have no policies. If you've got on their website, it's
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  Speaker 1: got a pretty good indication of what they do.
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  Speaker 2: They're not they're not fully fleshed out policies, though the Liberal.
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  Speaker 1: Party haven't got fully fleshed out or costed policies either.
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  Speaker 5: At least we have governed before. At least we understand
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  Speaker 5: what it pays.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So now you've hit on something right when you say.
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  Speaker 2: He tries to set me up every single time.
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  Speaker 1: Wait for the stake you So you just said, at
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  Speaker 1: least we've governed before. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It is liberal problem.
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  Speaker 1: And what changed nothing. The ABC still carry on like
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  Speaker 1: they do. We've still got laws that don't define women.
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  Speaker 1: We've still got eighteen C, we've still got massive debt,
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  Speaker 1: we've still got freedoms being curtailed. And I could go
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  Speaker 1: on and on, and that's the problem the Liberal Party have.
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  Speaker 1: They have governed before. I've seen what they did, and frankly,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are not that.
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  Speaker 2: Imp so I wasn't part of the party when they're governed.
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  Speaker 3: So take that.
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  Speaker 4: That's a fair enough excuse. All right, let's move on now.
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  Speaker 4: The National Broadband Network.
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  Speaker 3: Gee, it has.
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  Speaker 4: Been one big, rolling, bungled disaster across Australia. It is
• 10:14
  Speaker 4: so bad that people in regional and rural communities have
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  Speaker 4: been unable to call triple zero. Well, who has come
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  Speaker 4: to the rescue of the regions.
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  Speaker 3: Would you believe it? It is the world's richest man,
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  Speaker 3: Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 4: Because families out in rural Australia are now having to
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  Speaker 4: pay for his starlink service. So this is a satellite
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  Speaker 4: which he owns in order to try and get connection.
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  Speaker 4: Now there's been a lot of complaints made, Well, this
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  Speaker 4: isn't fair, this is ridiculous. He is the world's richest
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  Speaker 4: man and we're giving him more and more money because
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  Speaker 4: we can't afford the National Broadband Network.
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  Speaker 3: I think that people.
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  Speaker 4: Should be actually giving him a very big thank you
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  Speaker 4: because having a look at some of the statistics, it
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  Speaker 4: is frightening right now. So there was one instance. A
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  Speaker 4: seventy two year old woman, Diane bl Lessing, has revealed
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  Speaker 4: that she was forced to fight off the attacker who
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: stabbed her inside her home in New South Wales because
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  Speaker 4: she couldn't Ring zero due to a lack of connection,
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  Speaker 4: the intermittent service and dropouts. Since twenty twenty five, there
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  Speaker 4: has been one eight hundred and forty nine complaints from
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  Speaker 4: regional customers in that period and two one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: sixty complaints about having no phone and internet service as well.
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  Speaker 3: Even the way that this article has written, it's people
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  Speaker 3: forced to depend on Elod Musk.
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  Speaker 4: If you've got that much money and you are offering
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  Speaker 4: a product a service that is working at a time
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: when we cannot get this National Broadband Network right, I
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: say I'm all for it. Don't forget that the NBN
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: was once labeled ranked one of the worst political decisions
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  Speaker 4: in the last century. Turnbull term thanks for buters cheers,
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  Speaker 4: Malcolm an.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't part of the party, then another Malcolm, So.
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  Speaker 4: I say all the power to Elon Musk here. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think that this is dangerous. I think that if
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  Speaker 4: he is going to provide a service that people are
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  Speaker 4: going to be able to call love ones and contact
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  Speaker 4: Triple zero, fantastic or the power to.
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  Speaker 5: Him No, I'm sorry, Like two hundred thousand ossies are
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  Speaker 5: apparently relying on this service at the moment, and I
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  Speaker 5: even know people on the outskirts of Sydney that rely
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  Speaker 5: on this service at the moment. But what I find
• 12:20
  Speaker 5: really troubling, because you know, the government services have been
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  Speaker 5: known to use it from time and time to time.
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  Speaker 5: And what I find really troubling though, is the fact
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  Speaker 5: that a billionaire could have this much power over and
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  Speaker 5: control because we saw what he did in Ukraine and Crimea.
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  Speaker 5: We saw that he was able to just switch it
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  Speaker 5: off like that and all of a sudden people didn't
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  Speaker 5: have access to it. Ukraine didn't have access, their drones
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  Speaker 5: got caught up in it.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, at the end of the day, this
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  Speaker 2: is too I can see it.
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  Speaker 5: I can see it on your face, James. He's just
• 12:49
  Speaker 5: looking at me, waiting to have it go. He's caught
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: me in some something. He's going to take me to task.
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  Speaker 3: On go on, go on, go on, go on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, and I've kind of cut you off with
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  Speaker 1: my facial Express and.
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  Speaker 2: You totally did.
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  Speaker 1: But it sounds personal to me, and I'll tell you why,
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  Speaker 1: because you say you don't think it's right that a
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  Speaker 1: billionaire could have no, but like, what if a millionaire
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  Speaker 1: had this much power?
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, of course not.
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  Speaker 5: We gave a millionaire power that was turbal and it
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  Speaker 5: turned out badly. But like, I just think it is
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  Speaker 5: too much power for someone who is from overseas.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't governed by our rules. I just did. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a slippery slode.
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  Speaker 1: This company is subject to our rules. Like he's still
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: subject to communication regulation one percent.
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  Speaker 2: Look how well that's working out with X Well?
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  Speaker 1: AKMA pulled him up, was it last year because he
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: said and he ignored it that no, not regarding X
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: but regarding his satellite service because they said his record
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  Speaker 1: keeping was not to Australian standards. So it's it's not
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  Speaker 1: like he has free for all to do whatever he wants.
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  Speaker 1: He's still got to conform to Australian stand.
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  Speaker 5: I understand that, but look what he did in Ukraine
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  Speaker 5: and crimeat Like you know he switched it off when
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  Speaker 5: he was asked you by the Russians, So I think
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: you know what if you know, just say China said
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  Speaker 5: to him, why don't you switch something off?
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  Speaker 1: Over?
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  Speaker 5: Like, I'm just saying, it's a very slippery slope, and
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  Speaker 5: I would have cause for pause.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So you worry about the security, yes, of course, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: but what about Huahwei for example, Well we don't use Whawei.
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  Speaker 4: Well my my my internet at home is with Huawei.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a Wahwei tower that I used through opt.
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  Speaker 2: And China knows everything what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 4: It owns everything that I'm doing. But I mean, I
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: don't think of it like that. I think, okay, this
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  Speaker 4: is actually a really good cheap internet deal.
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  Speaker 3: And I've had my Huawei. It's a little b yo thing.
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  Speaker 4: I've taken it from apartment to apartment on the why
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  Speaker 4: little thing?
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  Speaker 3: So and I don't think about the consequences. I've got
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  Speaker 3: a U cheapers option available.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have a VPN.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so worried about what people are trying to find
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  Speaker 5: out with all of my internet.
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  Speaker 1: You raise a great question, right, So if we're worried
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  Speaker 1: that two hundred thousand Australians are getting their Internet through
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: Musk's company, isn't a much bigger concern, the fact that
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: our entire energy grid is pretty much controlled by China.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Increasingly our motor vehicle fleet is controlled. Oh yeah, I
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: have an issue. Iran even go to the Nika's house
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: and use the internet with the.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: The Chinese is snooping on me. They're what you doing
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: that late debate? Talking about me?
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: But also about our solar panels. Our solar panels are.
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: From and and like toasters, like appliances.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Also you know, seeing our bus fleets. Yeah yeah, So
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: are we more worried about a billionaire?
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, of course, cut out, get the cat out of it.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: It just seems a funny thing to be worried about
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: when we've got much bigger concerns. I would have thought
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: with the Chinese Commonist Party.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that, But like I also do think
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: that we should have cause for pause. That's all I'm saying.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: I think we should have more eyes and more concern
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: around this. We shouldn't just let people have so much
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: say and control.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Is it Elon Musk's fault that people are doing this
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: or is it Australian government's fault for failing to provide us.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's the Australian governments. Of course it is.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: The alternative is people don't have anything musk than I
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: have a look at.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: The cost as well.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: So Starlin costs one hundred and thirty nine dollars per month,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: but then you've got to buy the startup kits, which
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: is over five hundred dollars. The NBN could cost anywhere
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: between zero and one hundred and twenty dollars per month,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: depending on the speed. It's not worth it. It's honestly
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: not worth paying.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: I think you should. You're better off just buying this Starlight.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: And I'm not promoting this brand or anything, but I
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: think you're better off if you know that you're going
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: to get guaranteed connection to pay it, even though it
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: is a little bit more expensive, but your life could
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: depend on it. If these people can't live in cult
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: triple zero, I would want a functioning broadband network.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: How can you say I'm not promoting it and then
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: immediately recommend it.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not recommending the product, I'm just saying I just
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: feel like it's.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: More She did you call it starlight?
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: This way?
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: If I was out in the regions and I had
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: a dysfunctional NBN Internet I would be so worried about
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: it that not being able to contact a loved one
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: in particular, or if you were living by yourself and
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: God forbid, something happened to you. I mean I live
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: by myself, God forbid something happened. You don't have a
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: you don't have access to an Internet or a functioning connection.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I would fork out the mony.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Well, maybe our government and our tech companies should just
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: be better.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I'm saying. There's always that anyway.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Moving to the UK, this is a really good one
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: where the tax man is the ultimate matchmaker in this one.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: So Ricky Gervais has been joking that the UK inheritance
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: tax will finally push him to marry his longtime partner
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: of forty years, because in the UK with the inheritance tax,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: under the UK rules, assets passing between spouses are exempt
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: from the forty percent tax.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Now, apparently him and.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: His spouse are worth roughly two hundred and seventy million
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Australian dollars, so forty percent they're gonna they're gonna lose
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: about one hundred and eight million. Are you doing the
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: math over there? Yeah, you are one hundred and eight
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: I already did the math in my head. I'm just
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: really that good. One hundred and eight million, Now that's
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: worth getting married for. I would think one hundred and
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: eight I mean, I've married.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: For far less, far, far, far less. I can't even
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: tell you how much less I'm married for.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting story, right, because it's a lot of
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: debate about, you know, do you marry for love, do
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: you marry for money, et cetera, et cetera. I don't
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: think there's any question that he loves his partner of
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: forty four years, but it really has shown a spotlight
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: on how ridiculous and unfair this inheritance is, where if
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: your partner of forty four years is left as your widow,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the government take forty percent of everything you have.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Look, I agree, I think it's absolutely ridiculous. But I
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: am such a traditionalist. I really truly believe that you
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: marry somebody for love and for love only when you
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: find that person who is your best friend. And I
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: do not agree just getting married to somebody for the
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: sake of tax or for the sake of money. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: I know that there's a lot of people out there
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that certainly do that, but no, I think this opens
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: up a broad discussion about why people get married.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Do you get married for love or are there other reasons?
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: And my strong argument would always be that you get
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: married for love because that person you found, that person
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: that you're going to spend the rest of your life
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: with you. You're going to have children with them, You're
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: going to travel the world, you're going to grow old together.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: When you go up to the altar, you take that vow.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I'm really traditionalist when it comes to this, so when
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I hear that people are doing this simply for tax
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: purposes or something else, it really irks me.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: My first two marriages were for love, and now I'm
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: going to try something different.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: But do you believe in the concept.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Though I believe in the concept of marrying for love,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: I will always believe in the concept. I am a
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: romantic I want to be swept off my feet. But
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: also if you happen to have some money, that would
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: be great as well, because it's really expensive cost of living.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I need well and that too. That's obviously a big problem.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: But James, in the broad discussion.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: In this instance, it's not as crude as he's marrying
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: for Yes, purposes. They've been together forty four years.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: And they still it doesn't I don't.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I know that they've been together for forty four years,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: but I just don't think you should openly, blatantly come
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: out and say we're doing this for tax purposes. I
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: just don't agree with that. It might stay in not.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, also, yeah, I think I think it's good
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that they're getting married. And yeah, maybe I mean comedians
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a comedian.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: He's also a comedian. I mean, like the joke's on us.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Maybe he's maybe at all, Maybe he's promoting his news
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: show Happily ever After.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is you, James a new book.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Can you only marry for love?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Well, people marry for all sorts of reasons.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: So you believe that you're against the argument, so you
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: would marry for love only you're married now, so you're
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: he's the only married person right now on this.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still technically married though.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Oh well, this is a revelation, ladies and gentlemen, here
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: we go. But in terms of can you marry for
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: other reasons?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: We clearly you can, because I do you agree with that? Well,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I've got a friend who is very happily married who
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: pretty much met his wife weeks before the wedding that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: was arranged by his parents. So I wouldn't say he
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: married for love. It was an arranged marriage. That's his culture.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And they're a beautiful family, adore each other, got great kids.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: They didn't marry for love, but they learned to love
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: each other, which is very foreign to Western culture. Yes,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: not something any of us would do. But in answer
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to your question, yeah, I think there are marriages where
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: it didn't maybe begin with love, but love devas.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: And also some people marry because they want a better
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: life and their life is just really tough, and you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: the idea that someone can provide for them and take
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: them away from where they've grown up. I mean, you
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: can't fault someone for just simply wanting a better life.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with that.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: To marry for money, no, God, no, absolutely not.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: What if I gave you, I would rather be single
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: for the rest of my life than just marry somebody
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: for the sake of the money.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't answer through that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I need to be fully one hundred percent committed and
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: in love with that person to actually make such a
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: big commitment to them.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, we love to Nikir to Georgio.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Deal.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you what's not the real deal,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and that's this pursuit of net zero. So it's just
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: creating havoc all around the world. You already know that,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and it seems like those in the UK it might
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: be coming to their senses. A think tank has calculated
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that if Britain was to scrap their pursuit of net
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: zero and instead keep gas and build more nuclear power
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: stations over the next twenty years, they would save three
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty billion dollars. Not only that, but power
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: bills would come down instead of by fifty pounds under
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the current plan, they'd come down by two hundred pounds
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: under a no carbon tax plan, and they'd still get
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: eighty percent of their power from clean sources. At the moment,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: all net zero is doing is forcing up the cost
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: of electricity to make electricity unaffordable. And I just find
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: even that sentence quite unbelievable that we would say in
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the Western world that electricity is becoming unaffordable. The other thing,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of course, the pursuit of net zero does is it
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: drives industry to other countries who aren't hamstrung by high
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: energy costs where they make the products that we then consume,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: but they use dirty energy to do it. Clear Cortino,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: she's the Shadow Secretary Energy Secretary for the UK. She
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: had this to say about the report.
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: This is the single most detailed costing of the electricity
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: system that has ever been produced in British politics. This
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: is the work that should have been done by government
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: but has not been because they're more driven by ideology
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: than they are by evidence.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: She's absolutely not wrong. What they're doing is not changing
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the climate. It's driving the cost of electricity up, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: for what, Michelle.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: I don't even under like. NED zero to me is
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: a concept, and it's just an arbitrary idea that people
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: just pulled out of the air and said, we will
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: change lives and make ourselves feel better about it, our
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: whole daily goings on, just by achieving this whole idea
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: that doesn't exist.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I just I can't even I get so.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Sick of talking about it. People always ask me, particularly
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: as a liberal representative, what are your thoughts on net zero?
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: And I'm always like nothing, I have no thoughts on
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: net zero. I think we should stop trying to achieve
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: a target that is unattailable. I think we should follow
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: the money because first and foremost is liberals, that's what
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: we believe in. We believe in industry. If industry is
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: moving towards targets that will lower emissions, than that is
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent what we should be investing in.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But when you look at things like.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Solar and wind farms and you see the damage that
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: wind farms are doing and you see the cost, it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: just not working out. And another thing that we really
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: need to highlight. They want to focus on nuclear. Do
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: you hear that Australia nuclear energy. Imagine if we had
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: nuclear energy And I'm not just talking about like the
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: nuclear energy that everyone thinks about when they think about nuclear,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: next gen nuclear, the stuff that people are investing in
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: and spending a lot of time with the technology building
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: is going to be a game change up.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: But we won't even talk about it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: We won't even talk about it, no, because oh my god,
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: nuclear it's bad.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It's bad.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: It's not it can be clean and it can run
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: well and campower our lives.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I remember remember when the Liberal Party did it first
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: and out saying you call the policy all we ever
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: saw that was.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: A three eyed fish and the three eyed dogs.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: And this is the problem that we can't actually have
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: an adult debate around energy in this country.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: When I first was reading this article about this report,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: my first thought was, og, don't tell Chris Bowen.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Whatever you do, do not tell.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: The part time managing minister that you can make about
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: three hundred and twenty billion pounds worth of savings over
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: twenty years if you actually ditch this net zero policy.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Hello, who would have thought? And we are and the
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: UK they're going down.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: We are on this same trajectory as the UK where
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: the labor government over there is that the labor government
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: here on this net zero pathway into the never never
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: with no idea of how to keep the lights on
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: into the future. And all you did to do is
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: look at what happened at Spain and Portugal when they
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: had their blackouts and.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: A year ago. Now, that is not what we want
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: to become.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: And we need baseload power for the future and that
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: has to be nuclear in the mix with other energy spheres.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: But right now we are on this train into the
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: never never, where we're on an experiment of transmission lines,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: solar battery, green hydrogen, I mean, green hydrogen was supposed
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: to be the thing that was going to get us
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: to net zero twenty fifty, and it has been a disaster.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: We're seeing zero the green hydrogen projects go bust because
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: they're simply just not getting up off the ground. We
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: don't have the technology to support it. And internationally they're
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: also going bust as well when it comes to green hydrogen.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: So this is a really important report that I would
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: hope that Western wake up to because I think it
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: is really really dangerous for our future that there are
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: no plans, James.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: For what we are going to do.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: And yet what we keep getting told every time summer
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: comes along, oh, well.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: You know it's a heat wave.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Turn off your electricity because the grid simply can't cope.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Well, just before we move on from this topic, I'm
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: keen to hear, as someone who hates net zero, what
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you say to your liberal colleagues who say, we're not
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: going to pursue net zero, but we're remaining in the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Paris Agreement. Shouldn't they withdraw from the Paris Agreement? No? Look,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I make it absolutely clear that they've abandoned this whole run.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Now, look, I don't want.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: To let it's an interesting conversation, right. I don't think
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: we should abandon net zero. I think we should have
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: something that we work towards. I do believe that we
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: do need to work towards an idea, but I don't
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: think it should be as binary as net zero by
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: twenty thirty or net zero by twenty forty.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: We should start making headway.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: We should invest in technologies that will make it better
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: for the environment, because I do believe that we need
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: to take care of the environment.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I do believe that this.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Is an issue, but I don't think it should be
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: a binary target that is going to be to the
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: detriment of everyone who's living right now.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: And do you think we should stay in Paris in
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: the Paris Agreement?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I do.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I do think.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I do think that we need to kind of work
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: with other countries and work towards something.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Do you think we should go away completely?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: You guys are like, would you no?
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Look, I think at the end of the day, fossil
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: fuels at the moment are what is driving our country.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: We cannot just walk away from them because we will
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: have nowhere else to go.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: I guess my problem with the Paris Agreement is it
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: relies on targets. So and I guess we are going
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: to ditch say net zero twenty fifty or twenty thirty
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: five or whatever to get to certain percentages that I
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: don't understand the point of staying in the Paris Agreement
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: if we're not committing to any target.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: But at least be at the table and be able
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: to still have that conversation is kind of my point.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think, if you want to provide leadership for the world,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: do what Donald Trump's.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Who's providing leadership for the world. Who's doing that?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Well? Well, you said if you have influenced bit at
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the table. But I just think what's the point of
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: being at the wrong table? And I think it sends
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: mixed messages to the electric who are questioning the liberals
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: commitment to the things that they promote pre an election.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So if you say we're not going to pursue net zero,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: then convince us by withdrawing from the Powis Agreement, which
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: is a commitment to net zero. Correct, But it's hard
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to believe one foot in, one foot out.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: But can I just really say something real, real quick?
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Do you know who's not talking about net zero? Everyone? No,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: one's talking about net zero. The kids are not talking
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: about net zero. Young adults are not talking.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: No one didn't mention it either.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: No, absolutely because you know why no one's talking about
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: NA zero because everyone is so concerned about housing cost
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: of living. So this whole idea about net zero, I
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: think is completely gone out the window.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think people are on board with it anymore.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: So I say, sh just you know, keep tugging along
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: with our coal hired power stations while we can.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look what happened here in New South Wales.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I had to extend the life, yes, the absolutely power.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Station out of complete concern.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Tania Plipersec Gosh, she's having a real shocker. Isn't a
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: role we're talking about the NBN A rolling series of blunders?
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Tanya Plipersek is the minister right now for rolling series
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: of blunders. Now you recall last week when she was
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: asked on Breakfast Television about her views on Anthony Albanesi's
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: melon comments, and she gave this train wreck.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Did it was in the same podcast as the Kylie
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Minogue shag comment.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think he should have actually said those words?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I think it was.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I think it was a complete misinterpretation and I think
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: people watching it for themselves can make their own minds up.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: A stunning hypocrisy because today she has decided that she
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: wants to make comments about the crisis in golfing the
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Sydney Swans right now, but putting out this statement. Here
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: is what she posted to her social media. She says,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: in less than seven days, an all boys' school and
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: one of the nation's most influential sporting club have been
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: at the center of concerning sexual assault allegations. She goes
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: on to say both Scott's and the Sydney Swans play
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: a direct role in educating and inspiring men and boys.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Each had a chance, without interfering in the ongoing investigations,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: to show leadership, to underscore the seriousness of the allegations,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: express concern for the victims, and reiterate the zero tolerance
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: approach to sexual violence, alleged or otherwise. Instead, they chose
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: language that was passive, and she goes on to say
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: the Swan's called an alleged sexual assault of situation some
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: of its players found themselves in as though it was
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: something they stumbled across, and there's also been allegations when
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: she talks about Scott's College there there's been allegations that
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: a child was raped at the at the hands of
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: other children there. Now, I'm just trying to comprehend where
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: the minister is coming from here. So she's asked about
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Anthony Albanesi making comments about melons, making comments, you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: hand on his chest, clearly talking about breasts, but yet
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: feels the need to weigh.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: In on this issue.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Is the ultimate sheer hypocrisy in my view. She's silent
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: on every other thing when it comes to women, yet
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: when she needs to make some sort of a political ploy,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Tanya Plivasek is ready with hands on deck. The other
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: issue is that Labour seems to be always so desperate
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: to push this narrative that there's a woman issue within
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: the Liberal Party and yet the women of labor are
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: failing labor more than anything else. And overall, Anthony Arbernezi
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: is to blame. The Prime Minister is to blame because
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: he keeps trotting out his ministers in front of the
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: cameras and they're all fumbling over themselves. And there is
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: such a lack of accountability from the top down that
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: every minister is making a fool of themselves on national television.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I would actually like to thank Tanya Plivask for doing this,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: because I think she's created a really interesting case study
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: in two organizations that have handled things very differently. Compare
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the Labor government to the Swans, and the Swans come
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: out pretty well. The Swans, don't forget. The Swan scandal
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: broke Monday morning around eleven thirty am. Everyone became aware
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: We all know where we were at that point.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Right by Wednesday morning, the Swans have suspended five of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: their star players for the rest of the year. So
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it took them less than two days to make that,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and that's a massive decision. Compare in contrast with the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Labor government, who the Melons scandal is still rolling because
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: they have not addressed that. The Swans asked one question.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: The board asked, did the players breach the standards? The
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: federal government asked one question regarding the deep Bush podcast,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: how quickly can we explain this away so it doesn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: seem like it's anything look and one more context that
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the Swans the pair. The Swans seem to have said
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: responsible first reputation. Second, the federal government seems to have
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: said reputations first, reputation, second, reputation's, third, reputation's fourth for
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: her to criticize the Swans, gee, she should look in
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: her own backyard.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Well, look, I do like what she had to say.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: I do think someone needed to say something, and I
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: think that what she the points that she made were
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: absolutely valid and I think were within her remit to
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: make them. But I do not like that hypocrisy, as
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: you mentioned, particularly when it comes to the objectification of women,
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: which is what Anthony Albernizi was doing it. And that
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: is a very slippery slope from you know, having a
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: casual joke to it being okay to you know, do
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: certain things to women. So I think you need to
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: call out both things if you're going to call them out.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: I cannot fold her for what she has come out
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: saying because I think it needed to be said. And yes,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I take on your point that the Swans were quick
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: to act, but at the end of the day, clearly.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: There is a bigger issue here.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: But I do think where we have seen her falter
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: and where she continues to falter is coming out and
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: supporting Anthony Alberinezi, who cannot be supported in what he
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: has done.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: We've been gas lit over that one.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I am going to say, well, it's political tribalism over principles.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, absolutely, absolute, absolutely.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Now I'm looking at a six figure salary that sounds
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: much nicer than it actually is, particularly in the city
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: of say, I don't know, Sydney, one hundred and twenty
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: k people are earning apparently, does that get you anything?
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I would like to say, no, well.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. People are now saying one hundred
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars and your salary is not enough
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to live comfortably. The median salary in this country is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: ninety thousand dollars, so if you're earning one hundred and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: twenty grand, you're well above the median. But and I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: guess it depends where you live, right, If you're living
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: in Birdsville, one hundred and twenty grand might be quite good,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: But if you're living in Sydney, I'm not sure how
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a single person could survive one hundred twenty five.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think you can. I think that's just you
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: can't be paying rent in this city. And I think
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Melbourne would be pretty similar as well. That's going to
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: probably cut out three quarters of your wage depending on
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: where you live. Plus, food is expensive. Groceries are expensive.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: You go out for a coffee, it's expensive. The costs
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: are rating up, and no wonder, it's pretty tough out there.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Just cut the avocado and toast guys here there.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Let'll save you fifty dollars. Yeah, all right, we're going
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to go to a break. When we come back. The
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Swan scandal deepens with as I said, five star players
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: suspended for the rest of the season and a former
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Liberal staff are accused of covering up the Britney Higgins
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: rape has won a substantial payout. That's next. Okay, let's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: take a look at the headlines of tomorrow's papers, so
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you get them all here first on the late debate,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and of course, the story dominating most of the papers tomorrow,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: as you can imagine, is the Sydney Swans. The Daily Telegraph,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: that's the Sydney paper, has gone with a great headline
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: lap of dishonor claims of exotic dances and drug use.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: As Swan scandal deepens. The front page reads five Sydney
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Swan stars banned for the season as police probe sexual
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: assault allegations face claims of hiring exotic dancers to perform
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: at their hotel, where police have also been told drugs
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: were used. No chared charges have been laid at this point.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: So that's the Daily Telegraph. As I said, most of
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the papers are going with this. The Newcastle Herald has
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: gone with the headline Swan's Shame with photographs of the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: five players who've been suspended for the rest of the season,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: which includes the finals campaign. The Swan's one of the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: favorites to win the flag this year. No longer there
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: are chairman of the board saying their season has now
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: been torpedoed quote unquote. The Herald's Sun has gone with
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the headline bad Bloods. Sydney Swans are known as the Bloods,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: calling them the bad Bloods. Swan's torpedoed by sex assault
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: scandal and the Adelaide Advertiser I like their headline the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: best Danika Bloods the idiots is the headline for the Advertiser.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Lap dancing to disaster, Cocaine and ketamine claims in hotel
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: room is heeny focus of probe. Players suspended. It's been
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the headline all week and I suspect there'll be more
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: later in the week as well. The other interesting story
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: in the front page of the advertiser another sports story.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: It's right at the bottom of the front page. It
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: says cocaine you cannot be curios. Nick Curios has taken
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: time out. In fact, he's been forced to take time
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: out after testing positive to cocaine. He posted on his
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Instagram a statement a short time ago, saying, I wanted
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you to hear this from me first. I recently failed
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: a drug test. This is in Spain, after testing positive
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: for cocaine. I made a huge mistake and I take
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: full responsibility for it. I'm sorry to my fans, my family,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and my sponsors and everyone close to me. Above all,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the kids who follow me. I know
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the example this sets, and I'm deeply disappointed in myself.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to make excuses, he wrote, but I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: do want to give some context about where I've been
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and I thought this was interesting, he said. My body
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: hasn't been able to do what my mind expects it
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to do, and coming to terms with being near the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: end of my career has been harder than I ever imagined.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I've always said I didn't choose tennis tennis chose me,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: but letting go of something that has been my whole
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: life is one of the hardest things I've ever had
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to face. At times, I've felt helpless and alone. None
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of that excuses what I did. He went on to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: say he's taking time out from the game and from
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: social media to try and sort out his life. I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: like Nick Curios. He's never taken his tennis too seriously,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: which is why I've never taken it's problem. But he's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: highly entertaining and time is very amusing, and I hope
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: he manages to pull it together.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Look, I actually like his cockiness because I feel like
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: that makes him part, that brings out part of his personality.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: The problem with Nick Curios is exactly that I'm not
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: sure how seriously he's ever taken tennis, which is such
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: a shame because he is extremely talented and he could
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: have gone so much further than what he already has,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: and he's had a great career, but he could have
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: gone much more to the top had he just focused
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and just shut up and he just kept talking.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I was surprised that he was still
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: playing tennis, so I thought he was still in the
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: midst of a year's long bender. I mean literally, like
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised he's actually still around and doing tennis. I
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: think is a bit of a cop out him saying,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: you know, I am feeling this way.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: He quit on the game years ago, and we know.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: He quit on the game years ago, so all of
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: a sudden be caught out in something and then go, oh,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: you don't understand I really wanted to play.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: You don't act like you've been wanting to play.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: You were in New Yorker, you were fresh off the
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: boat from my beetha no doubt, like, come.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: On, we know.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quick story before we move on. One of my boys.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: This is a couple of years ago. He came home.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: He said, Dad, you never believe who I played basketball
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: with today. I said, weren't you playing basketball at the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: park with your mates? He said I was, And Nick
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Kurios turned up and he played on the other team,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and he said, pretty soon there was a crowd of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: about two hundred kids watching. And his comment was, Dad,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you think Nick Curios is a good tennis player, you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: should see him play basketball. He's just a natural.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: He's probably good at everything, yes, and could have been
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: better had he just focused his mind in good at
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: partying exactly if he was as good at tennis and
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: day by day is he a partying that maybe he
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: could have been a true star. Let's take a look
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: now at the Australian Have a look at that figure
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: in red right up the top there, bitter trill.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: The nation is.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Now one trillion dollars in red. That's a heck of
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of zero's. The Albaneze government well tip Australia's
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: total debt to over one trillion for the first time
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: on Thursday morning, bouncing around the new mark for the
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: next few weeks, just as the independent Fiscal scorekeeper warns
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: that government interest expenses will chew up an increase share
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: of revenue. Jim Chalmers forecast in the May budget that
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: the total debt on the issue would hit one point
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: zero five to one trilli in this financial year, or
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: about thirty four percent of GDP, the highest in history
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: outside the pandemic, and expected to rise to thirty five.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Point eight percent of GDP in twenty twenty nine.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: As government strains are the rising cost of health, hospitals, childcare,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: housing and defense.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Well, here we are.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Mark this day in your calendar, ladies and gentlemen, one
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: trillion dollars and it's not going to be you who's
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: paying for it. It is the generations and generations to come,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: my children, Their children are going to have a backlog
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: on their hands, which means more taxes into the future
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: because this government has outspent itself silly and we're all
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: paying the price.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And of course they came to government promising to fight
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: debt and here we are with twelve zeros.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: But they knew that this was coming and this is
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: part of the problem. And then yet they keep spending,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: They keep spending, and then we have the NDAs which
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: continues to balloon and their problems.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: They're going to rain that in and that's not being
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: rained in. Like I'm sorry, we need someone to step in.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: If this was a multi billion dollar company, what would happen.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: We would have a hostile takeover and someone would step
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: in and fire them for getting us into this kind
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: of trouble. And I think right now the government needs
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: to be fired.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I totally agree.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Another interesting story, defeat of me Too mob one point
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: five million for Higgins boss. The former Liberal staff of
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Fiona Brown has settled her claim against the Commonwealth for
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: one point four eight million, almost one million less than
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Britney Higgins received in a settlement pass partly based on
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: her false allegations that Miss Brown, who then boss, had
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: tried to cover up her rape. Miss Brown, the former
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: chief of staff to Liberal minister Linda Reynolds, said she
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: felt vindicated, but the settlement did not compensate for the
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: destruction wrought on her life by the false claims that
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: she mistreated Miss Higgins, and by the failure of her
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: own Liberal Party colleagues to protect her in the aftermath
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: of the scandal.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: That this is really great news.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Obviously, this is not going to be any compensation for
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: a woman who has completely lost her livelihood, her life
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: has been tipped upside down by the false allegations that
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: were made against her. I am really glad that she
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: has seen some level of just because she really was
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: one of the big victims out of this whole sorry
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: saga which just keeps going, and.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: The only reason we're learning about it is because she
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: refused to sign a non disclosure agreement, which I believe
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Britney Higgins signed. I'm pretty sure I'm right, make sure
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of that. As I continue reading the article on air,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I think Britney Higgins did sign that, or at least
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of secrecy around Higgins's agreement, whereas
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Brown said, not signing that, I want to be able
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to talk about this because a great injustice was done
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: with one.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Percent and this was I mean, this hole Higgins saga
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: was really incredibly a bad time for our country, I
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: would think, because what happened was we were too glib
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: and we were too liberal. No pun intended in taking
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: someone's side without really fleshing out what had gone on.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: And I think, yes, you should believe every woman, Yes
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: you should give them the opportunity to speak their truth.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: But there was a a lot of people who got
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: caught up in this and a lot of people whose
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: lives were destroyed by.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: It, and I think that was incredibly unfair.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, before we go very quickly, the career
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: mail front paid State of Silence. Community groups have been
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: hauled into ministerial offices and threatened with funding cuts as
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: retribution for publicly criticizing the state government or its policies.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Advocates across child safety, domestic violence, prevention, youth justice, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: housing sectors claim to have received abusive phone calls from
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: senior figures within ministerial offices with some drag to William
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Street for a dressing down. If those rumors are true,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: or those reports true, that's pretty bad.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: It's pretty damning. All right.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: You know, blokes have copped a lot of flak. But
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: we're going to show you one hero after the break
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: who saved his family's life when they're air conditioner caught fire.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: That's met on the Late Debate. We have a segment
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: we like to call Dope of the Day. Maybe we
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: should that a Hero of the Day reward because this
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: guy is a legend. Gregory Lawless a resident of Buckingham
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Shear in the UK. He woke up after two a m.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Because he thought he saw a flicker and his portable
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: air conditioning unit had caught fire. He jumped out of bed,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: grabbed the unit, took him twenty seconds to get it
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: downstairs and out of the building before it exploded, saving
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: his wife and child. The footage, oh my god, it's
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: why you always wear underpants when you go to boy.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: That is a good point. But he is a hero.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Not all heroes wear capes.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: But you know what, you do what you do for
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: your family, right, would you do that for your family?
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: You'd get out and move the AIRCN like that.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and oh that was really convinced.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: And I have to say in a crisis, he was
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: very cool, calm, collected, he was co They were very
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: luck But I did it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Do you know what brand their conditional was?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: What?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Milli brand? Lilli brand so UK politics joke. Oh god,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: he's a former energy minister, millerbrand.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: If you have to explain it, not even funny, it's
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: not even funny. Okay, Well, I want to get into
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: this one because in something that's reminiscent of a Terminator movie,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: totally for me. Anyway, these robot Chinese Robotics affirm has
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: showcased a new humanoid robot capable of two meters standing
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: vertical jump and a top running speed of twelve point
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: sixty six meters per second.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Now that's a.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Pace that exceeds say you say, Bolts recorded speed.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Why don't we have a look at this? Oh my god,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: it is so frightening.
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  Speaker 5: Because you could see that happening in that Terminator movie
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: where he's just like powering after the cop car. But
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: like the ending, he just doesn't now the dismount, does he?
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: No, This is the problem with the robots. They seem
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: to be old force, but then they just keep carking it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: And how many robots have we played on the Late
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Debate of late where they're just carking it.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: The frightening thing is that eventually they're going to affect
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: them so that they don't you know, as themselves. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: what are we going to do then? I mean, you're
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: not getting away from that thing frightening fast?
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: That is that is absolutely a frightening It's a baud
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: as frightening as shoppers on a Saturday morning lining up
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: at from about three am in the morning, would you
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: believe that there was a new store Glassens. So Glassens
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: it's a clothing store, it's available across the country, but
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: there was a new store opening in Sydney over the weekend.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: And have a look at this vision.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: There was practically a stampede as what looked like a
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: lot of teenagers seem to be wanting to snag up
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: freeb's and vouchers. They were there from three forty am
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: ahead of the doors opening just before five am, and
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: there was even a stampede as they were heading up
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: the escalator.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: What why?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't mean why cost of living crisis.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: But I also don't think lessons is something i'd be
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: charging to get.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: It's not like it's.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Sorry, it's available around the country by online or go elsewhere.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: It's just for that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: To me, were their parents, and it's like me wanting
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: a coffee in the morning.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: That's up the robot.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for. Thanks for joining us tonight.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow, but right now it's the readA
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  Speaker 1: Penney Show. Good Night,