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Is Suicide an Unforgivable Sin? · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  videos. Well, hello, ladies and
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  gentlemen, my name is Brett Keen from God TV radio.
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  I hope you're all having a blessed day out there.
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  I'm here with Proverbs guy you want to say hello.
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  Hello. Hello, good people.
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  Yeah. So for anybody out there that
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  might be interested in getting them to the discussion that mr.
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  Proverb guy can quit scratching the hell out of the microphone.
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  I know. So if anybody who's interested
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  in getting into the Russian. You can get ahold of me of Brett
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  King phone at gmail.com. The link is in the description
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  and you're more than welcome to come in and chat with us.
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  We are trying to do a couple shows where we actually have a
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  set topic or and what we're going to talk about and have a
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  discussion. And tonight, we're going to talk
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  about what happens, what happens with Christians that they commit
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  suicide. Now, later on in the discussion,
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  when people come in, if you're a pagan or a Muslim or Real
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  whatever you want to come in and describe for us.
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  What happens to you and your faith or non-belief are and what
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  happens when you die in such a way you can let us know, and
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  we're going to have some different discussions.
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  We'll talk about some Bible verses and we'll talk about what
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  some denominations and churches view on it.
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  And of course we're going to express and share our view on
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  this Proverbs guy, are you still with us?
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  You look like you went red for a moment there.
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  No, no, I just muted my mic. All right, cool.
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  Cool. I guess I'll throw out a tough
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  question at you there. Proverbs guy, because it's
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  anybody checks out his channel. You're going to see that he's
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  very biblically sound and he does a great deal of research.
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  He also had a father who was a Hebrew, right mr.
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  Proverbs guy, that is correct. Yep.
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  Lifelong Torah Observer. Okay, so Proverbs guy you
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  obviously believe that God has all the attributes that he is
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  omniscient. Omnipresent all-powerful
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  all-knowing and all these traits.
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  Right? That's correct.
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  And those are just the traits that we know of Right?
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  If we look in the Book of Revelation, it talks about God
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  being the one who holds the keys to life and death.
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  Basically, he's control of all things, he controls all the
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  mechanisms and the universe and how life works and exist.
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  So, here's where it gets tricky, Proverbs guy.
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  No matter how a person's life ends being that God knows
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  everything, no matter if someone takes her life or they die
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  naturally, or from some disease, Or something horrible.
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  God is in full control and he knows our time.
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  No matter what the case might be is that correct?
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  And if it is correct, right? But the lamb burger.
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  All right. So there's without question that
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  God knows the time and place of our death that's indisputable
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  but there's also other scripture verses like the one that says
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  don't be foolish and die before your time which would tell me
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  that we do have some say, over the In manner of our death,
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  which can totally coexist with God being in complete control
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  and knowing our time and us having some sort of saying it,
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  like living recklessly smoking, cigarettes getting cancer
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  driving fast, being in a car accident that the two don't
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  counter each other whatsoever. So it's totally possible that
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  God can know millions of years before he even thought about
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  creating the Earth the very time and place.
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  We were going to die but that doesn't exactly.
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  Really mean that we had to be ordained to die in that moment.
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  Or the scripture wouldn't tell us, not to be foolish and die
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  before our time. Very good, very good.
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  Now, I guess we can go a long with some Bible verses will fly
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  through that and also have some discussions on these different
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  things and First Corinthians 3:16-17.
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  It says, do you not know that you are God's Temple and that
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  God's spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's Temple,
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  God will destroy him for God's Temple is Holy and do you are
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  that Temple? When God speaks with pimples, is
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  he? Speaking of our bodies or is he
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  speaking of stone and building structures a missing mod?
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  Yeah. So God is definitely talking
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  about our bodies. We are the the temple, The
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  Dwelling Place of the Living. God now, there's no need for an
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  actual Temple of brick and mortar because the Holy Spirit
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  actually able to dwell within us.
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  And now, All right, and I agree with that.
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  I agree that our bodies are temples, but there are people
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  who unfortunately find themself in pretty rough positions like
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  who've been in car accidents. Are they do suffer from some
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  kind of genetic disorder or disease?
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  These people who are fatally set to die.
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  Should we have an issue if their parents or their family members?
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  Let's say someone's brain dead. And someone decides that they
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  need to pull Pull the plug on that.
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  Is that a problem for the person who has to make that choice?
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  And is that an issue for the person who's in the, the
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  unfortunate state. So, that's a really interesting
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  question Brett. And honestly, I don't even
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  believe that specific situation is tied in with the category of
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  suicide. As I'm pulling the plug, if your
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  brain. Well for one thing, if you're
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  brain dead, you really have option of whether or not the
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  Pug, the plug is pulled. Unless of course you did a Order
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  ahead of time saying, hey, if I'm ever brain-dead pull the
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  plug, my other point, with that would be.
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  It's the soul that brings us to life, right?
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  The body, the the brain, these are things that help us become
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  mechanical methodical. Give us the functionality of a
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  living being but it's the soul that makes the personality.
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  It's the soul that makes us an actual human being.
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  And if R already brain dead to me, I recognize that the soul
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  has already gone on to its next place.
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  Whether that be Eternal damnation or being in heaven
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  with the father or if you believe in Soul sleep, but I
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  think it's very evident that if someone is brain dead and
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  they're being kept alive. Live on life support.
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  There's no soul there. There's no life in that body
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  anymore. All we're doing is preserving
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  the vessel that the soul left a long time ago.
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  Proverbs are you familiar with a film called Red Line?
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  That sounds really familiar. Refresh me.
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  Well it's a movie basically about soldiers who are trying to
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  make their way up an embankment in order to go after their
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  opponent, their enemy. Well when the American soldiers
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  are making their way up the hill unfortunately one of the
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  soldiers pull out a grenade and he's prepared to throw it to
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  take out the enemy but in doing so he accidentally slips the pin
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  and drops the grenade in the Very Foxhole that his guys are
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  in. He realized that he made a
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  terrible mistake and he realizes that the grenade is most likely
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  going to kill his entire platoon.
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  So he Dives on the grenade, he knows he's not going to be able
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  to fully stop the impact, but he feels with his body.
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  Won't be able to do the shrapnel and take out his entire platoon.
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  And that's exactly what happened.
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  But it killed him obviously, it tore his insides up and ended
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  his life when he did it. When a guy does this, when a guy
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  makes a sacrifice to save his own platoon even though it was
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  his own mistake with the grenade, does a guy like this
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  have an opportunity to get through Judgment Day and make
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  his way to heaven? Oh, absolutely Brett. 100%.
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  As a matter of fact, we know that the word says there is no
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  greater love than this, that a man lay down his life, for his
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  brother, which is exactly what Christ Jesus did for us.
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  So when you give up your life in a selfless act like that,
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  there's no other act that you could ever perform to show more,
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  love to your neighbor or your brother.
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  And isn't that the second greatest commandment?
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  Brett one would be that. You love the Lord God with All
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  your heart. Mind soul, body strength.
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  And the second greatest commandment is like this.
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  Love your neighbor. Well, I agree with that, an amen
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  to that, whenever we talk about Jesus.
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  Jesus says that he gave his life freely.
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  He doesn't say, they took my life.
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  I gave my life freely. He also said repeatedly that if
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  I wanted to bring forth angels, I wanted to stop this event.
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  I could do it. I have the power to be able to
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  do this. So, the question is, and I've
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  heard some people actually blame different groups for why Jesus
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  died. Nobody could have killed.
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  Jesus, unless Jesus allowed the sacrifices, this true, or do you
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  have a different way of looking at it?
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  It is without a question that Christ Jesus laid down his own
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  life for us. We didn't take his life, the
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  Jews didn't take his life, the Gentiles didn't take his life,
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  Rome didn't take his life who on Earth who with human hands?
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  Brett could kill a living God. Creator of the heavens and the
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  Earth whose hands literally Mall Things.
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  The only way. That he ever could have been our
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  sacrifice our Passover. Lamb, Our Redeemer is if he
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  literally humbled himself and allowed himself to be our
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  sacrifice. I got a strange question for
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  you. Proverbs if a person doesn't
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  believe in God though, if they lack a belief in God, how can
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  they describe to a person? How exactly significant or
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  value? You've listened to a lot of
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  different views and ideas on that.
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  What would you, how would somebody be able to even argue
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  someone's relevance in the universe without a prime mover?
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  You can Brett, you know, the symbol truth is, is that without
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  believing in a Creator, the human existence is reduced to
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  nothing more. You're literally an animal.
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  Are you do feel like animals, have significance and value?
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  And ha even some Christians out there and people who treat
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  animals, sometimes better than their fellow man.
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  But if you're a non-believer, what would you be able to say to
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  someone? Even if it came to, you know,
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  that you like something you care about something, what kind of
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  argument could be made? Is that still the same response?
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  Well see, being a Believer or non-believer.
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  I don't think that would necessarily.
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  Sara Lee affect your love, for nature, right?
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  An atheist can absolutely be a dog lover.
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  I don't think that, that would be in conflict with itself.
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  However, with a Believer, you have something that goes
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  actually a step farther because when God created the animals in
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  the garden, he put man over the animals and it wasn't just to
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  subdue them, but it was actually to care for them.
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  So as a Believer, we don't just have the choice of loving Nature
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  loving animals. We have the obligation held to a
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  higher standard than the atheists.
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  Okay, I got a tough question for you.
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  You had brought up a Bible. Verse earlier, you class to use
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  7:17, be not overly Wicked, and either be a fool.
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  Why should you die before your time?
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  You were saying that people shouldn't be in a rush to die
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  before their time, but doesn't god control all the time and
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  existence. He does, but you have to keep in
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  mind, he's still gave us Free Will and that free-willed still
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  extends to the point of our life.
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  Now it's also true that if deemed it fit, he can take your
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  life. I mean, he holds every life in
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  his hand, but that doesn't mean that he's the one who crushes
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  that life because that's verse that you just read.
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  I definitely believe points to the idea that we have some sort
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  of say in it. It.
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  All right. Well, let's talk a little bit
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  about the unfortunate sadness of whenever parents or adults, or
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  spouse has to actually choose to turn the machine off of people.
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  You were saying that you believe that once a person is officially
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  brain-dead to you, they're already dead.
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  They're already gone. Yes, that's correct.
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  Yep. I don't know if you heard a
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  story a few years back but there was a woman, I think that I
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  might have told you a little bit about this.
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  There was a woman who had gotten into an accident.
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  She was in the condition for quite a few years yet.
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  Her parents continued to visit her, they continued to spend
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  time with her as if she was still alive.
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  The still is though, she was still functioning.
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  However, they started noticing something unusual about her.
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  Her physical form started to go through changes.
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  If they had her looked at by the doctors and they found out that
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  she was pregnant, apparently while she was in the state and
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  unable to defend herself, someone in the medical field
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  decide to come in. And actually impregnate her
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  while she was in this position, what is your thoughts on that?
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  And why do you think it is that the body was so still support
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  able to produce life but at least not for her.
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  Well again, you know that goes back It's the soul itself that
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  animates the body. It's the soul that makes us
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  something living. However, we can artificially
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  keep the vessel going and womb and the woman body really has
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  one purpose when it comes to childbirth.
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  It works as an incubator and all actuality.
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  So even with the sole absent, even with the brain capacity,
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  absent from that body, as long as it's being Really pumped the
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  hearts artificially pumped. The Bloods artificially flowed,
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  you could absolutely probably carry that baby full term.
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  I would wager. Proverbs guy have you ever
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  interacted or engaged people who have actually had thoughts of
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  suicide? Whether they went through it or
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  not? Yeah, I have Brett.
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  As a matter of fact, my, my brother passed away a few years
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  ago, he was really ill. He had lupus and he overdosed on
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  pain medication one night so that he could Escape his pain.
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  So suicide is a topic. That's very dear to me.
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  And that's why we're some Christians.
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  I think they get offended almost at the concept of ending your
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  life. Almost like you're stealing that
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  decision from God and I definitely believe that in those
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  circumstances you're going to have to answer to a just God and
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  your creator one day, but ultimately brought we serve a
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  compassionate God and A lot of people also confuse something,
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  right? Anytime you ask them.
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  Well, what's wrong with suicide? Not in every case.
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  But in almost every case, they'll point to scripture
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  verses about murder but murder is something very specific.
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  Murder is stealing the soul from somebody else's vessel Murder is
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  in no way related to ending your own life.
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  So we have to be very careful about putting that kind of
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  judgment on somebody which I feel like in the Christian faith
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  we do way too much. What denominations from what
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  you've experienced seem to have the most issue with this concept
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  and also Proverbs I want to say I'm sorry to hear about what
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  happened with your brother. I appreciate that Brett, you
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  know, as far as as far as the misconceptions and staunch
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  stances that people take on suicide, I don't really think
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  I've observed it in one denomination over another, but
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  it's definitely prominent in the Protestant denominations from
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  what I've observed. I would have to say and that
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  goes for for many Artist for Pentecostals, and for all the
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  other various Protestant denominations, and I think, you
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  know what at face value. Brett, there's nothing wrong
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  with it, really because we should put the ultimate value on
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  life, right? You know, God literally breathe
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  his own breath into us to a mate us to give us that soul to give
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  us to give us the function, to walk and talk and breathe and
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  think, and we should value that and appreciate it.
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  It. But ultimately These bodies that
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  we have this life that we're on Earth, it's just a vapor, it's
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  really just a practice for the afterlife.
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  What really matters on Earth as how much Faith you put in Christ
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  Jesus. Did you believe that he died for
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  your sins and did you treat your neighbor with love?
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  And did you love your enemy? Even these are things.
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  I think that on Judgment Day, a God's going to look at a larger
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  than were you in a deep pit of despair.
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  Were you in so much pain? That just the thought of waking
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  up in the morning was agonizing to you or maybe it was for a
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  selfless reason. Brett, I'll give you a good
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  example. My dad's dad was not in the
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  picture, he died very early on my grandfather and there was a
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  man across the street who kind of took my dad in under his
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  wing. He was a really good man, he
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  treated my dad, really good and as a young boy, he taught him.
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  All the attributes of becoming a man he really Took on the role
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  of my dad's father. They got into a lot of financial
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  trouble, the the man and his wife, they lived across the
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  street from my dad, and my grandmother and my aunt, and
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  they were going to lose the house, they were going to be
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  homeless, his wife was going to be destitute.
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  So this man, his name was Frankie, he went in the backyard
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  one day, and he sat himself down on a chair, he sent his wife and
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  kids to the store and he put a gun to his heart and he pulled
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  the trigger and he ended it, and they found out afterwards that
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  he Had a life insurance policy and it was because of that
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  selfless act. He was able to ensure that his
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  wife would forever be cared for. They didn't lose their home, she
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  had a warm place to stay in the winter her children were cared
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  for. They didn't have to be in that
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  destitute situation. And even though it might seem
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  like it was a selfish act and he left his, his widowed wife
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  behind and his children without a father, ultimately, it's a
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  father's job in a husbands. Job to be a provider and when he
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  ran out of options, he took the only choice.
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  He thought he had left to be that provider in the long term
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  and I don't think God's going to punish him for that.
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  Anybody who wants to join the discussion, I'm going to be
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  opening it up to allow people to come in on the mic and a little
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  while. You can email me at practice
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  thinking phone at gmail.com, if you'd like during All right,
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  some more questions out there. Does anyone out there in the
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  chat? Have any questions about the
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  topic that we're talking about? I guess I'll move on to this
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  Proverbs guy. Did you see my video?
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  Where I talked about the suicide rate between people of Faith as
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  well as people of non-belief? No, I didn't Brett.
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  Well, apparently, according to Stats and I actually found the
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  stats by frequent eating atheist, forums and blogs.
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  And all this, I went to Richard Dawkins dotnet, I believe is
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  what it's called and they were they had a topic up that said
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  that atheists have a very, very serious suicide issue according
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  to the stats and they had a graph up there, I've got a
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  picture of it if people want to see it.
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  The graph shows that atheist have so many suicides and there.
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  Up that it even goes over all the religions.
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  Combined paganism, Hinduism Buddhism Islam, Christianity,
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  all that, and believe it or not Islam's, very small on the list.
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  And I know it's some people might say, how is that possible
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  because of all that bad PR you see in the news with Muslims and
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  bombs and all that kind of stuff.
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  What is your thoughts are in that?
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  Why do you think it is that certain group seemed to have
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  massive fatalities as As others. Do you think it's the fear of
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  Hell or something? Or is there something else?
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  Hmm, so really I look at this as two questions one, why would the
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  atheist Community have the highest suicide rates and that's
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  a really easy question to answer.
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  I think that's because in the atheist belief, you have to you
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  have to set yourself around the theory of evolution and
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  evolution tells us that we're an accident.
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  We have no value, we're nothing special in the universe where
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  the product of sparked Stardust turning into some kind of funk
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  growing on a rock and developing into an algae.
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  If you thought that was your existence Brett and you really
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  in your heart believed that you had no value that, you are an
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  accident in the universe, why would you value your life?
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  And I also know that the suicide rate is higher in certain groups
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  like for homosexuals and that's a shame and it really breaks my
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  heart because of my heart does go out for them.
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  But I think that's an easy one to explain also because when
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  you're actively living in sin and I'm not talking about being
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  someone who tries your hardest to not send but you send
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  occasionally anyways because we all do that.
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  But when you wake up every morning and Add that you're
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  going to live in sin everyday, you do that?
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  You separate yourself from God, a little bit more and more.
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  And even though you can convince yourself that what you're doing
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  is okay, Your soul knows better and every step you take away
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  from God, you're taking a step into despair into depression
• 24:54
  until ultimately your life again, has no value, it's a
• 24:59
  value system. You know, I think that atheists
• 25:03
  as well as people of different faiths, they have a lot of
• 25:06
  common ground whenever comes to trying to survive and live their
• 25:10
  life. And we all sometimes will end up
• 25:13
  finding that fork in the road. We sometimes go down a dark Road
• 25:18
  where it just doesn't seem like, there's no way back.
• 25:20
  Like we went beyond the point of no return and it can get lonely.
• 25:24
  It can get dark, it can get scary, you can feel like nobody
• 25:28
  loves me, nobody appreciates. Me nobody, nobody is going to
• 25:32
  make any impact in my life and I'm curious if you've got
• 25:37
  someone who believes that there's hope and that there
• 25:39
  might be light at the end of the tunnel that there's someone
• 25:42
  there that is watching and listening and does love you.
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  It seems like you have more advantage to be able to benefit
• 25:51
  from that view. And that belief to be able to
• 25:54
  wake up the next morning and breathe again.
• 25:56
  And try again, as opposed to believing that the dark.
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  Orders. All you have.
• 26:02
  Does that make sense? Yeah it does man.
• 26:06
  You it's like you said there's light at the end of the tunnel
• 26:09
  you have hope. And let's be honest, man.
• 26:12
  Hope is a very powerful thing. How many wars has hope got
• 26:16
  Americans through? Look at, look at trench warfare
• 26:21
  in World War, 1 bunker down bullets.
• 26:25
  Flying all around explosions everywhere.
• 26:27
  You're deaf from all the explosions going off, Or half
• 26:31
  blind from all the flash bangs. But still, we had hope that we
• 26:36
  were the greatest fighting force on the face of the Earth and
• 26:39
  hope has got Mankind through so much.
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  As a matter of fact, hope got us through damnation, you know,
• 26:47
  before Christ came and revealed himself.
• 26:50
  We didn't have the crucifixion to look back on as a reminder
• 26:55
  like we do today. We had to hope that God was
• 26:58
  going to keep his promise. We had to believe.
• 27:00
  Leave the God was going to keep his promise and God rewards hope
• 27:04
  sometimes and we should never forget that.
• 27:09
  Not this Egg Way, any on the topic?
• 27:11
  And I'm going to start letting people come in to have
• 27:13
  discussions on that same form that I was looking at whenever
• 27:17
  it comes to Stats and all that I did notice that someone ended up
• 27:22
  responded into the suicide thing with, why are there so many
• 27:26
  people of Faith who are in prison or jails and all that?
• 27:29
  And I found that to be pretty interesting.
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  Why would people do that? And you mentioned the concept of
• 27:34
  hope. I ended up looking in the
• 27:36
  something called jailhouse, jeez.
• 27:39
  Jesus, have you ever heard of this before Proverbs?
• 27:42
  Well, not if it's a specific organization but I've heard of
• 27:46
  jailhouse religion. I mean that's when your back is
• 27:49
  against the wall and you literally have nothing else in
• 27:51
  life to live for and sometimes God will put us in that
• 27:55
  situation on purpose just to draw us to him.
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  Well jailhouse, Jesus as kind of a slang term for people, who
• 28:04
  once they go into prison, they end up wanting to find groups or
• 28:08
  people to protect them and people that they can hang with
• 28:10
  that, will will do this littlest a bit of harm to them.
• 28:15
  And they say that according to the stats, whenever a lot of
• 28:18
  non-believers get in there, they turn towards either Islam or
• 28:21
  Christianity. Paganism doesn't seem to be like
• 28:25
  a thing. That's even I guess respected in
• 28:28
  the prison population. And with jailhouse.
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  Jesus is basically whenever someone claims that they're a
• 28:34
  part of Christianity or Islam, sometimes they do it because
• 28:38
  they're genuine and sincere and others, do it because they think
• 28:41
  the parole board will like that. What's your thoughts?
• 28:45
  Wow, I think you just nailed it on the head.
• 28:48
  I'd say, probably 40% of them do it because they think the parole
• 28:52
  board is going to approve and they're going to say, hey this
• 28:56
  guy is showing that he's turned his life around, you know.
• 28:59
  He hasn't robbed any banks lately.
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  And now he says he's given his life to Jesus.
• 29:03
  Maybe. This guy has changed, let's give
• 29:05
  him another chance, but I think the majority of the jailhouse
• 29:09
  religion folk, I do think it's more intimate than that.
• 29:14
  You're literally trapped in a room multiple hours of a day.
• 29:17
  Will say, 23 hours a day. You get some time to go out and
• 29:21
  eat or what not. You have no control over your
• 29:24
  life, you realize just how on and control you Ali are and when
• 29:31
  you're in those situations, the one thing you're going to
• 29:35
  detest. The most is having people like
• 29:37
  prison guards have ultimate control over your life.
• 29:41
  So the only way you're able to preserve any kind of power over
• 29:45
  your life whatsoever is to take it away from the prison guards
• 29:50
  and give it to your creator, right?
• 29:52
  Because then you feel like, okay, He's got control over me.
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  I mean, in reality, the guard can still to go to your cell.
• 30:01
  He can tell you to come eat now or you're not going to eat but
• 30:04
  it goes back to that. Hope thing, you know, you give
• 30:08
  your life to God in jail and you have something to look forward
• 30:11
  to. Yeah.
• 30:13
  After looking at that stats, I ended up finding myself in a
• 30:17
  very addictive research, and I discovered that unlike some
• 30:22
  communities like, atheist groups and pagans, and Muslims, a lot
• 30:26
  of Christians go into, like prisons and they basically
• 30:31
  prophesize to them. They teach them and all that,
• 30:34
  and it helps bring a lot of people over.
• 30:36
  A lot of people who end up going in, don't believe like, Jeffrey
• 30:40
  Dahmer. For instance, he had no hope
• 30:42
  whatsoever. Were he said I didn't see any
• 30:44
  value or significance in life. He said, I believe I Came From
• 30:48
  Evolution from the Slime as how he put it, and don't feel like I
• 30:52
  have to have any moral, ethical, parameters whatsoever who's to
• 30:56
  control me? Hey, water, The Vineyard, how
• 30:58
  you doing? Our fellow token Catholic in the
• 31:01
  room. Good that you got in here.
• 31:03
  I wouldn't mind hearing your views on the suicide issues
• 31:09
  Yeah, he was an interesting character.
• 31:11
  I really enjoyed the dialogue with him.
• 31:14
  Water. Would you like to express your
• 31:16
  views? Are you there?
• 31:18
  Yeah. Can you hear me?
• 31:20
  Yeah, I can hear you. What is your views are in
• 31:22
  suicide? What is your philosophy Peach?
• 31:25
  And hopefully Proverbs guy can mute his mic.
• 31:27
  So we don't have to hear all that scratching over there.
• 31:29
  I don't know what's going on. He must have a really itchy back
• 31:32
  or something, go ahead their water.
• 31:34
  What you have for me? Start by saying and like I
• 31:39
  really really appreciate you talking about this suicide is
• 31:43
  not a lot of people are this way as well.
• 31:46
  It's affected me through people. I was in my family and friends
• 31:53
  so I appreciate you having this discussion.
• 31:57
  Believe that humans do not have God's creation in that we can
• 32:05
  destroy boys. It so we see sewer but I was
• 32:11
  listening earlier to what prop of herbs was saying.
• 32:15
  And the about murder is you're taking our, you're making the
• 32:21
  decision for someone else, but Asian for your self, I do think
• 32:26
  that in the modern world I think would agree with that and
• 32:31
  ultimately we as Catholics also, believe is up to God.
• 32:37
  I mean, we, we will never be able to say for certain and he
• 32:44
  is a Compassionate, God. So that in the right
• 32:53
  circumstances it is definite as understandable, part of human
• 33:00
  existence. All right, water and Proverbs
• 33:06
  guy. I've got a question for you and
• 33:08
  me and Proverbs actually talked about this for a moment and I'd
• 33:11
  love to see what you think about it.
• 33:13
  Water and anybody out there for anybody out there, who is
• 33:16
  religious or part of some kind of denomination, you may want to
• 33:20
  listen very closely to this. And the Bible, there is a figure
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  by the name of Samson, whether you believe it's allegory or
• 33:27
  it's the real deal, or a real literal story, this figure was
• 33:31
  tortured, he was And then he was chained up between two pillars,
• 33:36
  that was holding up a structure. A building with a bunch of
• 33:39
  Philistines inside. He had lost all of his strength
• 33:43
  for disobeying. God, with his girlfriend
• 33:45
  Delilah, she had betrayed him and the story he says, God
• 33:51
  please give me the strength and the power to pull these pillars
• 33:54
  and bring this building down on myself.
• 33:57
  Not just sending my life but also your enemies, my Lord and
• 34:02
  God Actually gave him the strength and the power to pull
• 34:05
  this and it is believed by Christians.
• 34:08
  At Samson was a great and legendary hero, they believed
• 34:13
  that he was a man of God and many believe that he actually
• 34:16
  went to heaven and God watched upon him and gave him the power
• 34:21
  to end it all. So what is your views on that if
• 34:25
  suicide is wrong? How do we explain this?
• 34:33
  I think it's a pretty fair example, from the Bible to bring
• 34:38
  up and I think I point out that both, let's Proverbs and I have
• 34:42
  just made that in some instances suicide fit, send to Providence,
• 34:49
  it fits into gods. Proverbs, are you still with us?
• 35:05
  Yes sir. Yes sir, I'm still with you.
• 35:08
  I thought you might've scratched back so hard.
• 35:10
  Your phone exploded. What?
• 35:12
  You got? No no my first some reason Brett
• 35:15
  my phone takes like half of a second to mute and half of a
• 35:19
  second to unmute. So that's what that's about.
• 35:24
  Fair enough. Did you hear the what I was able
• 35:27
  to say out there or did my microphone mess up or anything?
• 35:31
  No. No, I heard the question about
• 35:33
  about Samson, right? Right.
• 35:36
  You and I have talked about this and I felt it would be important
• 35:40
  and significant to bring up in a conversation.
• 35:44
  Sure. Yeah I mean Samson is a perfect
• 35:48
  example because we know that he took his own life now some could
• 35:53
  say an argue that it was for a selfless reason.
• 35:57
  Maybe he was saving his people by trying to destroy all the
• 36:00
  Philistines but in someone out there who maybe has read
• 36:05
  something into it more than I have, can correct me if I'm
• 36:07
  wrong. I'm always willing to correct,
• 36:11
  but I don't think the scripture points to that.
• 36:14
  As a matter of fact, it's kind of open-ended for you to kind of
• 36:17
  make your own interpretation from it.
• 36:20
  And I really believe that it had a lot more to do with revenge
• 36:23
  for the torture and humiliation Samson had just gone through
• 36:26
  Morris worried about destroying all the Philistines to save his
• 36:29
  people. I mean again you have to
• 36:31
  remember this is Samson. This is someone who had faith in
• 36:35
  God because he literally destroyed thousands of the enemy
• 36:40
  with just the jaw of an ass. So he knew that if he died, God
• 36:46
  could raise up somebody else very easily to take out the
• 36:49
  Philistines. So I don't think it was that.
• 36:51
  I think that would be a very ignorant thing for Sampson to
• 36:54
  think that God had to use this blinded man, stuck to a pillar.
• 36:58
  Absolutely not. Samson was mad.
• 37:02
  Samson had been humiliated and even oh, Samson made mistakes,
• 37:05
  and he was being punished for it.
• 37:07
  God had compassion on him and God still favored Samson and
• 37:12
  Samson's, a beautiful example, Sample.
• 37:14
  Because he definitely committed suicide, but he's mentioned in
• 37:17
  Hebrews in the Hall of Heroes. All right, I got another
• 37:23
  biblical verse for you, Proverbs and water.
• 37:26
  And anybody out there, listen, I would love to hear your opinion
• 37:29
  on it, John 1225 whosoever loves his life, loses it and whosoever
• 37:36
  hateth his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
• 37:40
  That's from the ESV. It might have a different word
• 37:43
  instead of Hayden there, but it's basically, from my
• 37:47
  interpretation. It's saying those who love the
• 37:50
  materialistic things of this world and The selfish things of
• 37:53
  this world and is not willing to give up their life while those
• 37:57
  who are willing to give will receive eternal life, how do you
• 38:01
  take it Proverbs as you know, I'm a work in progress and
• 38:04
  water. Hmm, I definitely think that
• 38:08
  verb verses in reference to hating and it says, you know,
• 38:12
  hating thing to hating the world of sin that we live in.
• 38:19
  This far. Well, Proverbs you want to go.
• 38:25
  I don't know what's wrong with Waters.
• 38:28
  Microphone over there. We know he's Catholic,
• 38:30
  hopefully, didn't spill me, holy water on it or something because
• 38:33
  it's not. Where is it?
• 38:34
  Like is my voice not clear. It's breaking up a little bit
• 38:39
  man. I don't know if you're running a
• 38:41
  download over there or what. No, I'm not running second.
• 38:48
  Well, maybe it's restream for you.
• 38:50
  You might want to like lower the resolution or the audio settings
• 38:54
  on that, a little bit. I don't know.
• 38:56
  Hopefully, that'll get worked out here in a bit.
• 38:59
  I'm going to start using stream yards in the future and people
• 39:02
  seem to be doing better with that function, but go ahead
• 39:06
  their Proverbs guy. What were you going to say?
• 39:09
  Well, truthfully Brett, can you refresh me on the question?
• 39:16
  Well, as you know, God, he tells us basically don't get attached
• 39:22
  to the things of this world that we if we love him and we keep
• 39:27
  his keep what he tells us to do. Whosoever loves his life loses
• 39:32
  that and whosoever hates his life in this world will keep it
• 39:35
  for eternal life. What do you get from that?
• 39:38
  What's your interpretation? I know that the verse isn't
• 39:41
  telling us that we should hair life and jump off the nearest
• 39:44
  bridge or something. Yeah but it's I think it's an
• 39:47
  important and valuable concept of the discussion we're having
• 39:52
  what is your view of it? So I'm not 100% sure that this
• 39:57
  particular verse is in relation to say suicide this verse is
• 40:04
  more in relation to Contrast. Right.
• 40:08
  And contrast do you love your life more than you love Christ?
• 40:13
  Do you love your life so much that if he told you to go into a
• 40:17
  village that's on an island? That's never seen civilized man.
• 40:21
  And you know, that they're cannibalistic and he tells you
• 40:24
  to go preach the gospel and trust him.
• 40:26
  Do you love your life so much that you would reject Christ
• 40:30
  asking you to do that? Even if you knew that he was
• 40:33
  asking you to go and that you would die for certain, do you?
• 40:37
  You love your life. Do you love living here on Earth
• 40:40
  more than you love Christ? Because if you hate your life,
• 40:46
  that means in contrast you love Christ enough that you would be
• 40:50
  willing to lay down your life. It has no value to you.
• 40:52
  When it comes to spreading the gospel, your own life has no
• 40:56
  value to you when it comes to obedience.
• 41:00
  I think that's more what that verse is in relation to Well, I
• 41:05
  just run into a very strange thing that happened.
• 41:09
  I have moderated and give them the authority to missing mod to
• 41:12
  moderate. She's got the name missing mod,
• 41:15
  but she says I'm just learning how to mod.
• 41:17
  Oh, goodness gracious. The irony just doesn't go over
• 41:21
  me on that at all, why don't you How am I now?
• 41:29
  A little bit better. It's whenever you talk for a
• 41:31
  while, it was happening. Let's see if you're working now.
• 41:34
  Okay. Well, I think Proverbs makes a
• 41:38
  really good point. This is probably it could refer
• 41:43
  to both it, could refer her to giving, which I think is relate
• 41:50
  did to how much do you love the materialism?
• 41:55
  You partake in, you know, sinful selfies.
• 42:02
  Would you drop everything? If Jesus came would you drop
• 42:07
  everything to follow him? How do you how do we think
• 42:13
  looking this because suicide? I don't think it is in relation
• 42:22
  to Suicide. Personally, why I said that in
• 42:25
  the beginning of it, whenever I was reading the verse that I
• 42:28
  don't think it pertains to it, but it's an interesting verse
• 42:32
  having to do with life and how we should view the world and all
• 42:35
  this kind of things, I thought was interesting.
• 42:38
  I wanted to hear me guys interpretation of it.
• 42:40
  So, do you agree water? You may not have been in here
• 42:43
  earlier, but God does see our bodies as the temple.
• 42:47
  He wants us to take care of ourself.
• 42:49
  He doesn't want us to get into You know things that are going
• 42:52
  to cause us harm and destroying us.
• 42:54
  However is it biblical that suicide is some kind of
• 42:58
  unforgivable sin? There's only one I know of but
• 43:01
  I'm willing to hear people out still a work in progress.
• 43:07
  I think that I think that both that Proverbs men shouldn't
• 43:14
  about this. Father, taking secure life
• 43:18
  insurance for his family. I think there may be instances.
• 43:24
  Suicide Works into God's plan and I'm sure other Christians
• 43:29
  listening, you know, want to throw up their arms, their get
• 43:33
  on their keyboards, and immediately, and start typing,
• 43:36
  but I think look at at how certain events unfold fold their
• 43:43
  their explanation and you know God God is all powerful.
• 43:51
  He it's his decision who received salvation.
• 43:57
  So it makes sense to me that in certain instances suicide is a
• 44:03
  sin but we as Catholics again. Have to reiterate.
• 44:07
  We do feel well that if you've ever heard that term, grave
• 44:11
  offense before, Now. Okay.
• 44:17
  So grave offense, would be murder is also a grave.
• 44:28
  It has to do with offences of taking ending the lives or
• 44:34
  taking Mother be yourself or other.
• 44:46
  Well, Proverbs show you to jump in there and share your opinion
• 44:50
  or view if you have one. Yeah.
• 44:54
  So whenever we're addressing scriptures, there's a whole lot
• 45:02
  of confusion out there because there's a lot of theologians who
• 45:07
  come up with these wild ideas and they preach it as the gospel
• 45:11
  but it's really not at the end of the day, it's a man's
• 45:14
  opinion. And that is a very a very good
• 45:21
  analogy of what we have going on here.
• 45:24
  I've heard so many Believers. Say that suicide is Unforgivable
• 45:28
  sin. Excuse me, there's only one
• 45:31
  unforgivable sin, that's blasphemy of the holy spirit, so
• 45:35
  if you're not blaspheming the Holy Spirit, it doesn't matter
• 45:38
  what mistake you've made or what decision you've been forced with
• 45:43
  and chosen the right or wrong path, God knows your heart.
• 45:47
  And I don't see why a Believer would think that suicide at all
• 45:54
  would be tied to blasphemy. They're totally different.
• 45:57
  Different things. There's nothing more serious
• 45:59
  than blasphemy. So if it's not blasphemy it is a
• 46:03
  forgivable sin. It's a sin that can be pardoned
• 46:06
  and that's up to God. We should be very careful not to
• 46:09
  play God. All right, I got a question for
• 46:12
  you both. There was a time where I was
• 46:14
  listening to some non-believers doing a live show while back it
• 46:20
  was a couple years ago and they had suggested that if the
• 46:24
  government were to ever allow like suicide clinics to exist in
• 46:28
  the world or in America that they would be for it.
• 46:32
  Basically, this would mean that someone from 14 all the way up.
• 46:36
  If they chose that they didn't want their life anymore, they
• 46:39
  could go to a place and Doctors, put them down.
• 46:42
  What is your opinion? And thoughts of this?
• 46:44
  They felt that from 14 and up would be feasible.
• 46:51
  Say you want to go first water? Yeah yeah because so I think
• 46:57
  there's a real distinction and there's something that really
• 47:01
  needs to be highlighted here verbs like like I said earlier
• 47:07
  that the suicide height is is not and a nun.
• 47:11
  Forget I don't think that that it doesn't make it so early.
• 47:19
  Okay. And I think the E easier that
• 47:22
  it, we make it for people to hives.
• 47:25
  I don't see any good coming from that and especially not someone.
• 47:30
  That's just ridiculous. Oh boy, he's having a tough time
• 47:38
  on that mic for sure what your thoughts are proverbs.
• 47:42
  Yeah, so I agree with him. I think that mass suicide like
• 47:50
  that would be encouraging people who are in Desperate situations
• 47:56
  and I think that's terrible because completing suicide is
• 48:01
  one of the most Despairing situations, anyone could go
• 48:07
  through and and obviously, not for just the person who's facing
• 48:10
  that torment before they finally make that decision.
• 48:14
  But also the family and loved ones that they leave behind and
• 48:18
  as Believers and even Beyond Believers, Brett as Humanity, we
• 48:23
  should always put an emphasis on life on the value of life.
• 48:29
  And it's so important to remember that, When somebody
• 48:33
  completes suicide, that is a permanent solution to a
• 48:37
  temporary problem, but a lot of people don't think about it like
• 48:41
  that, especially if you're putting a phone booth 10 feet
• 48:45
  away from them, after your wife, leaves you for your best friend.
• 48:48
  Like I think that's a very demonic thing to be honest with
• 48:52
  you. Looks like water is back.
• 48:57
  Hopefully, he's figured out how technology in the year, twenty
• 49:01
  three works. Are you back with this brother?
• 49:05
  How do I sound? I'm now.
• 49:08
  Well, you sound okay? When it's like, short spurts and
• 49:12
  all that it's whenever you're going on for a while that it
• 49:15
  just ends had the issue. I hope that restream doesn't
• 49:19
  automatically set people system properly, so you may want to go
• 49:23
  into the settings sometime and Turn off all the unnecessary
• 49:27
  stuff that might help you out a little bit.
• 49:30
  So, I got a hypothetical question.
• 49:33
  I've got a hypothetical question for people and voice chat as
• 49:37
  well as those out there and text.
• 49:39
  And remember, if anybody emails me and want to link, you can get
• 49:43
  in. I don't want to just put it out
• 49:44
  there because there's some zoo animals that don't know how to
• 49:47
  control themselves and it's a very serious topic.
• 49:51
  All right. Are you ready for the
• 49:52
  hypothetical Proverbs guy? Hit me with it, Brett.
• 49:59
  The hypothetical is that all of you are on an individual level,
• 50:04
  you're sitting on a cliff and you're staring at the Horizon,
• 50:08
  the beautiful sky and you're having a wonderful day.
• 50:11
  Everything's going great for you but suddenly you started hearing
• 50:14
  some scattering behind you in the woods.
• 50:17
  You look up. You notice it's the silhouette
• 50:20
  of a human being. This human comes out and you
• 50:23
  notice that they are a pregnant woman between 6 and Eight months
• 50:27
  old, she says to you, do not try to stop me.
• 50:32
  Respect my body, respect my choice, I'm going to kill
• 50:36
  myself. What would you do?
• 50:41
  Tackle, I would definitely try to stop her.
• 50:44
  Yes, you tackle that Prego to the ground bright.
• 50:48
  It's a little extreme but you get what I'm saying?
• 50:52
  I would not. I would you handle it water to
• 50:55
  my physical physical ability. I would not let her get to the
• 50:59
  edge of that Cliff straining here.
• 51:05
  Are you do realize both of you that nowadays?
• 51:08
  They tell us the the enforce this idea into our head, our own
• 51:12
  government and our media tell us that we should respect a woman's
• 51:16
  body. We should respect her choice, so
• 51:19
  she wants to end it. If she wants to her idea of
• 51:23
  respecting her own body and wishes is to end it.
• 51:27
  And how can we go against what our government tells us and what
• 51:30
  the media teaches us. Well, that's an easy question to
• 51:36
  answer. Brett.
• 51:37
  Our government is demonic and wicked.
• 51:43
  Well I'm listening. I'm sorry.
• 51:44
  Water sounded like he kind of went over you for a moment you
• 51:47
  go first Proverbs and then water.
• 51:50
  Yeah. So I mean our government is
• 51:52
  wicked. I mean, take the pro-life
• 51:56
  pro-choice movement, you're literally rallying for a woman's
• 52:01
  right to murder, and I understand that there are
• 52:04
  situations out there where a pregnant woman could be phased
• 52:10
  where there's birth defect or In a more extreme situations where
• 52:14
  the woman's life is it is that harm, but statistics have shown
• 52:20
  that that's less than five percent of the abortions that
• 52:24
  are performed in this country. That means 95% of the millions
• 52:28
  of children that we have murdered with this pro-choice
• 52:32
  movement has been a form of birth control.
• 52:36
  So when it comes to the government, telling you that you
• 52:39
  have to respect a woman's choice or you have God telling You that
• 52:43
  you have to Value life and fight for life at all costs.
• 52:47
  You have to decide in that moment.
• 52:49
  Who is your god, is the creator of Heaven and Earth and the
• 52:52
  creator of Life who formed that child in its mother's womb.
• 52:55
  Your God, where is your god, the United States government, who
• 52:59
  tells you life has no value in. This is not a living thing
• 53:02
  because it can't vote yet. Personally, I have no respect
• 53:07
  for the government when it comes to these decisions because
• 53:09
  they've got it wrong. Almost every single time.
• 53:12
  But God, on the other hand has got it right?
• 53:15
  Literally every single time. So if I was ever placed in that
• 53:20
  moment, I don't like to use coarse language but I say to
• 53:24
  hell with the government. I'm going to tackle that
• 53:26
  pregnant woman to the ground because I don't know what she's
• 53:29
  going through in life, but she'll never know what great
• 53:33
  outcomes could be on the other side of it.
• 53:35
  If she decided to end it then and also she's not just opting
• 53:39
  to end her own life. At that moment.
• 53:41
  You literally have A decision to save two lives, the mother and
• 53:45
  the child. I don't know if you noticed and
• 53:50
  I want to hear Waters you on this but missing mod said wonder
• 53:55
  if father Chuck's going to be showing up so he can get a nap
• 53:59
  soon. Now, basically what she's
• 54:01
  suggesting Proverbs and if he does appear, they may fall
• 54:05
  asleep during the discussion. I don't have a problem with it.
• 54:08
  Every, every Beauty needs it sleep, but it would be
• 54:14
  fascinating because water is a Catholic.
• 54:16
  And so is Father Chuck. But I've been interesting to
• 54:19
  have them in the the discussion. Well they're similar but father
• 54:24
  Chuck is a Orthodox priest so they're like distant cousins.
• 54:29
  I sent the link to Father Chuck because I think he would have
• 54:34
  some great Insight on this and you know, I actually did reach
• 54:39
  out to him yesterday. He sent me a couple text
• 54:41
  messages and I had it just put on my heart to let bygones be
• 54:46
  bygones, and I called him back and we hashed everything out and
• 54:51
  we put it behind us and you know, Things happen with
• 54:55
  friends, but I consider it a great privilege to have a friend
• 54:58
  like, Pastor, Chuck. And, you know, he's helped me
• 55:02
  root out. A lot of misconceptions.
• 55:03
  I had about Catholicism and and he's helped me work through a
• 55:08
  lot of things and understand some of the disconnect between
• 55:11
  protestantism and Catholicism. And I'm very grateful for the
• 55:15
  knowledge that father Chuck's brought to the table.
• 55:20
  Well, looks like we got somebody named Tamar who just popped in.
• 55:24
  I don't know how they got in. I don't recognize the name
• 55:28
  tomorrow. Can you wave or something?
• 55:30
  So, I know you're human. All right.
• 55:34
  Do you know somebody called tomorrow?
• 55:35
  Their Proverbs? I do.
• 55:37
  I actually sent the link to her. She's a lovely young woman, a
• 55:42
  great friend, she's in the Messianic tour community and
• 55:46
  thus, the topic of completing suicide is something that's very
• 55:50
  personal and dear to her too. And I'm not going to share, you
• 55:53
  know, the exact details because that's something that's
• 55:56
  intimate. And if she's so decided to share
• 55:59
  it, that would be great. But yeah, I thought that it
• 56:02
  would be be a wonderful topic for for her to experience being
• 56:06
  a widow. Hey tomorrow, I'm going to go
• 56:09
  ahead and put her up on the main screen.
• 56:12
  I'm going to make you here to face.
• 56:14
  Everybody's going to see you're not shy.
• 56:16
  Are you talking people are T really cool my hair but that's
• 56:20
  okay. It's okay.
• 56:23
  I haven't combed my hair. Put on my makeup either.
• 56:26
  It's all good. Yeah.
• 56:30
  Yeah, don't feel bad, even, when I comb my hair, I'm ugly as Sin.
• 56:34
  Oh, no. No, no.
• 56:38
  He's a wealthy title of the room about is about, okay, hold on.
• 56:44
  Okay. It sounds like she's got a full
• 56:46
  party going on. Yeah, it's okay.
• 56:49
  You guys can continue it. I just have to acknowledge them,
• 56:52
  you know. They're still kind of running
• 56:54
  around. It's all
• 57:13
  Streaming. Okay.
• 57:14
  Sorry about that. Sorry, that's her.
• 57:17
  Go, you can't be on camera. It's no children.
• 57:22
  That's just for your own good, in your own protection.
• 57:25
  Oh yeah, of course. Of course, you can never be too
• 57:27
  safe. I personally think that all
• 57:30
  Children in the world are miracles of god and love seeing
• 57:33
  them happy and laughing and all that.
• 57:35
  It's just, we live are not out, you know, social media site.
• 57:39
  This is. Ya know me.
• 57:41
  Yeah, hold on. I lost the screen guys.
• 57:43
  Give me just a minute. I I can hear you.
• 57:46
  I just can't see you. All right, okay.
• 57:52
  What happened here? Can you see me?
• 57:55
  We can't see you, but we can hear you.
• 57:57
  Yeah, your screen went black but we can hear you just fine.
• 58:03
  Hey Enoch. All right.
• 58:07
  I'll tell you what tomorrow. Whenever you got things worked
• 58:10
  out over there. I'd love to have you back and
• 58:12
  hear what you have to say. All right.
• 58:14
  Yeah, I get that straightened out and we'll be more than happy
• 58:17
  to hear your views and ideas aren't things.
• 58:19
  Hopefully people don't think that's rude of me.
• 58:21
  But well, it is what it is. Yeah.
• 58:25
  Unfortunately with her situation that relates to this very, very
• 58:31
  sad topic that we're addressing tonight.
• 58:33
  You know she's a widowed mother of seven kids.
• 58:36
  So you guys be sure to keep her in your prayers and I've done a
• 58:39
  couple interviews with her. She's a book author, she's done
• 58:43
  some amazing work and she's actually done a lot of papers on
• 58:46
  theology concerning Old Testament, Theology.
• 58:50
  And I think you guys would find it.
• 58:52
  Fascinating, you can find her on my YouTube channel.
• 58:55
  The Proverbs 27:17 YouTube channel.
• 58:58
  Yeah. Seeds.
• 58:59
  She's back there. Give us a thumbs up whenever
• 59:02
  everything gets cooled down over there.
• 59:04
  Are you ready? Can we get you up on the screen?
• 59:08
  All right, all right I got it up on the screen.
• 59:12
  So we're basically having a discussion about what happens at
• 59:15
  Christians who in their life. We're also we've been discussing
• 59:19
  what happens when people of other Faith.
• 59:22
  Basically. What happens with the afterlife
• 59:24
  deal? So, all that talk about some
• 59:26
  Bible verses and awesome. Mr. Proverbs has been scratching
• 59:30
  his back, repeatedly on the Mike.
• 59:33
  He's got a really itchy back today.
• 59:36
  Okay? Dina get down from there.
• 59:38
  If you turn the Proverbs being that you are you have a close
• 59:43
  friendship with tomorrow. Would you like to review her and
• 59:46
  some of the questions, again, her opinions and ideas on
• 59:49
  things? Yeah, absolutely.
• 59:52
  So basically tomorrow, we're having the Great, Eight on
• 59:56
  whether or not suicide in completing suicide is an
• 1:00:00
  unforgivable sin and what happens to believers who have a
• 1:00:05
  legitimate relationship with Christ Jesus with Yeshua
• 1:00:09
  Messiah. What happens when they're placed
• 1:00:12
  in the unique, sad situation of having to decide whether or not
• 1:00:17
  ending their life would be best for themselves or for their
• 1:00:20
  family. What happens to them in?
• 1:00:22
  Eternity, you cared I'd give us Your input.
• 1:00:27
  Yeah, so this issue has come close to home for me.
• 1:00:34
  I lost my father. I'm gonna livestream.
• 1:00:38
  Can you go over there taken? I lost my father by Suicide and
• 1:00:44
  my late husband as well. So I've done a lot of
• 1:00:50
  contemplating and meditating on this issue and scripture.
• 1:00:54
  Search and I don't see evidence in the Hebrew Bible, which I
• 1:01:00
  considered to be the foundation of the New Testament, you know,
• 1:01:04
  all the foundational Concepts started in the Torah and the
• 1:01:07
  prophets and I don't see any Eternal condemnation for the
• 1:01:15
  Kings of Israel, and the prophets who fell by Suicide, of
• 1:01:20
  course, it's not the end goal, you know.
• 1:01:24
  The most high wants us to have life.
• 1:01:27
  But there are situations in which, you know, oppression
• 1:01:31
  captivity, different things drive, people to suicide, and
• 1:01:35
  it's really a kind of sorrow and mourning, you know, I think if
• 1:01:42
  it can be prevented, it should be.
• 1:01:45
  But I also think there has to be compassion when people are
• 1:01:48
  driven into a corner, you know, oppression is real.
• 1:01:53
  There are times where people are taken.
• 1:01:55
  As slaves or kidnapped or tortured, you know, extreme
• 1:02:00
  situations like that. Where I'm, I mean, I think if I
• 1:02:05
  was in that situation and I hear a lot of people say, well, you
• 1:02:11
  know, if you walk with the most high heel, just save you out of
• 1:02:14
  everything, but you see, plenty of examples in the Hebrew Bible,
• 1:02:17
  where his servants were allowed to suffer, you know, Abel wasn't
• 1:02:22
  saved from murder and Joseph. Wasn't safe from prison.
• 1:02:26
  You have Daniel, you know, he wasn't safe from captivity.
• 1:02:29
  There's all there's more situations but like, or John the
• 1:02:32
  immerser. You know, he was beheaded in
• 1:02:34
  prison. You know, people are not always
• 1:02:38
  saved from their suffering, so the Servants of the most high
• 1:02:44
  suffering and a lot of times, it's to bring the the wicked and
• 1:02:49
  his people into judgment, you know.
• 1:02:53
  So obviously No, we should do our best to prolong our life but
• 1:02:58
  I definitely see compassion in the scriptures for those who,
• 1:03:02
  you know, collapse under oppression you know that that
• 1:03:06
  would be my view on that mr. Proverbs.
• 1:03:10
  Can you host for a little while with Tamar and water?
• 1:03:14
  I'll be right back in a moment. You're a great host, so I know
• 1:03:17
  you'll do a good job. Keep the zoo animals out there.
• 1:03:20
  Behaving absolutely Brett. See another Other point to add
• 1:03:25
  on to that tomorrow that I had was that there's a misconception
• 1:03:30
  in the Christian faith and will extend that to the Messianic
• 1:03:34
  Faith. I'll consider them, you know,
• 1:03:36
  one, one large group, but there's a misconception in our
• 1:03:40
  faith, that suicide is an unforgivable sin because there
• 1:03:45
  is no way to repent of it after the fact.
• 1:03:48
  But I strongly disagree with that because I'm very studied in
• 1:03:53
  the word. Word tells me clearly that
• 1:03:56
  there's only one unpardonable sin and that's blasphemy of the
• 1:03:59
  Holy Spirit and I definitely think that we are going to have
• 1:04:04
  to answer to God when we decide to make that decision to
• 1:04:08
  complete suicide, right? Because God ultimately desires
• 1:04:13
  us to Value the life that he gave us.
• 1:04:16
  But I see no, no biblical standard that points to people
• 1:04:21
  who have been put in that unique and in sorrow Awful situation
• 1:04:26
  that there is no Redemption for them.
• 1:04:29
  As a matter of fact, we know that people who are going
• 1:04:32
  through deep pits of Despair like that or closer to the
• 1:04:35
  Father's Heart. He he suffers with them, he
• 1:04:39
  hurts with us and I think that that definitely carries over
• 1:04:44
  even to the most extreme situations where people do
• 1:04:47
  decide to complete suicide. Like your father and your your
• 1:04:51
  late husband and even my brother Right, right?
• 1:04:56
  And you know, even if we could categorize suicide is a sin, I
• 1:05:02
  think people have to realize that it's not a sin of malice,
• 1:05:06
  you know, it's the it's the sins in the Torah which our sins of
• 1:05:10
  malice like kidnapping and adultery and murder of another
• 1:05:14
  person that are treated the most harsh and it's suicide is not
• 1:05:21
  like somebody doesn't set out to hurt other.
• 1:05:24
  People when they die by Suicide, its utter despair.
• 1:05:28
  You know like I think when a person is so broken or hurting
• 1:05:32
  inside that the father has compassion, you know, I mean if
• 1:05:37
  like if one of I try to put myself in like a parental role
• 1:05:41
  like if one of my children was hurting so deeply that they
• 1:05:47
  thought that that was the only choice that they had.
• 1:05:50
  Like, of course, I wouldn't agree with their choice but
• 1:05:53
  there would be I have so much compassion for that situation.
• 1:05:56
  Like, could you imagine how much a person is hurting inside that
• 1:06:00
  they really convince themselves that that this is all any way to
• 1:06:06
  my pain or whatever's ailing me, you know, like if somebody's at
• 1:06:11
  that point like it's just sad you know it's not I don't think
• 1:06:14
  it's a point where we have to like keep pointing the finger at
• 1:06:17
  them like look what they did. You know, that's so bad.
• 1:06:20
  I mean it's just sad, right? Absolutely and Brett brought up
• 1:06:26
  an interesting scripture. Verse earlier, about those who
• 1:06:31
  destruct God's Temple, which we are his Temple now, he will
• 1:06:36
  destroy them. But if you think about it, even
• 1:06:39
  in that decision of completing suicide that's been fulfilled.
• 1:06:43
  Because while destroying that Temple, God allowed you to be
• 1:06:47
  destroyed you know, physically. So that dead that he requires.
• 1:06:52
  As for that particular transgression was paid instantly
• 1:06:56
  in that moment. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:59
  I mean, we are supposed to care for our bodies as a, as a
• 1:07:04
  treasure, you know. But I just think that the father
• 1:07:08
  is close to people who are very broken and I think two aside
• 1:07:13
  isn't Choice from Brokenness, you know, past traumas or even
• 1:07:18
  inability to communicate because a lot of times a person is
• 1:07:21
  convincing themselves that, you know, that the people around
• 1:07:27
  them are better. A off without them.
• 1:07:29
  You know, a lot of people who die by Suicide, they their
• 1:07:32
  receptors for love are inhibited, you know, they were
• 1:07:35
  taught as children that they weren't worthy and those
• 1:07:38
  messages that are put into them from a very small, child can
• 1:07:42
  linger for a long time, you know?
• 1:07:46
  It's just it just sad. I just don't see it being a
• 1:07:49
  situation in which condemnation is is the approach because
• 1:07:55
  really a person could stay Say and be proud and enjoy all the
• 1:08:00
  luxuries of life but they're actually choosing to leave the
• 1:08:03
  pleasures of this world. So it's just it's sorrowful, I
• 1:08:06
  think. Yeah, absolutely water.
• 1:08:11
  Are you still with us? Do you want to chime in?
• 1:08:15
  Yeah. You there water?
• 1:08:29
  Okay. Can you hear me now?
• 1:08:36
  Yes, sir. We hear you.
• 1:08:37
  Loud and clear? Yeah, I was, I was wondering if
• 1:08:44
  you think this is it accurate to of God, would you just proverbs?
• 1:08:59
  So, what is the question would you describe God is?
• 1:09:10
  I'm sorry brother. All I got is, would you describe
• 1:09:13
  God? And then you blacked out?
• 1:09:24
  Okay, so it looks like water is having some difficulties with
• 1:09:29
  his audio and it looks like Tamar has stepped away briefly.
• 1:09:34
  I'll tell you what missing mod. I sure do wish that you would
• 1:09:37
  take that link and hop on here and join us, because I feel like
• 1:09:42
  you would be an asset to this conversation.
• 1:09:51
  Yeah and you guys let us know in the comments.
• 1:09:54
  How many of you have been personally impacted by this
• 1:09:59
  topic? How many of you have a loved one
• 1:10:02
  or a friend or family member that has been so deep in
• 1:10:07
  depression or so. Down in despair that they've
• 1:10:12
  contemplated either completing suicide or actually taking the
• 1:10:17
  plunge to complete suicide. You know, and there's there's
• 1:10:32
  many situations in the scriptures where men have laid
• 1:10:36
  down their life and we referenced the scripture earlier
• 1:10:40
  where the Bible says, there's no greater love than this, than a
• 1:10:45
  man would lay down his life for his brother and that is exactly
• 1:10:49
  what Christ did for us. You know, Christ, Did not have
• 1:10:54
  his life, stolen Christ willingly laid it down.
• 1:10:57
  The Bible says that even while he was dying on the cross, he
• 1:11:01
  could have called hosts of angels, that's over 10,000
• 1:11:05
  angels, in an instant to come, destroy the Earth, and take him
• 1:11:09
  off the cross, and bring him back to heaven and said, him on
• 1:11:12
  his throne, and he decided to stay there and be obedient to
• 1:11:16
  the will of the father and suffer for us.
• 1:11:20
  That's laying down your life for your brother.
• 1:11:27
  Missing mod. Are you going to come join us?
• 1:11:30
  I really wish that you would I happen to have on good authority
• 1:11:34
  that you have a microphone and I also know that you have a
• 1:11:38
  YouTube channel where you've been doing some pretty good
• 1:11:42
  videos and you have a very radio esque voice.
• 1:11:48
  So you need to stop playing these games and come join us.
• 1:11:52
  And I'm also trying to talk If my girlfriend into joining us
• 1:11:57
  some time but she is super, super shy.
• 1:12:02
  Proverbs you had said something pretty interesting.
• 1:12:05
  Back in the conversation, you were mentioned, how some people
• 1:12:08
  might argue that by committing suicide, you can't get
• 1:12:14
  forgiveness for the sin and stuff.
• 1:12:16
  This is what some people might argue, but isn't everybody in
• 1:12:20
  the world center, even if we accept Christ, none of us are
• 1:12:24
  pure. - we can never be at the Perfection of Jesus Christ.
• 1:12:29
  If you're driving down the road, let me give an example.
• 1:12:32
  The folks, any one of you are driving down the road and
• 1:12:36
  suddenly you look to your right, you're distracted.
• 1:12:38
  You see an extremely attractive man or woman and you're like,
• 1:12:43
  wow and you start having a little bit of lustful thoughts
• 1:12:47
  and in that moment you're hit by a damn banana truck, just right
• 1:12:52
  at that moment while you're distracted in the middle of the
• 1:12:54
  lustful. Thought but all your life,
• 1:12:56
  you've committed yourself to God and Jesus.
• 1:12:59
  Do people really believe that God is at Petty that he will
• 1:13:02
  just simply say, ah, you screwed up in the last five seconds of
• 1:13:06
  your life. See ya, you know?
• 1:13:08
  No pass. Go.
• 1:13:10
  Collect $200. What your thoughts.
• 1:13:12
  Proverbs, I 100% agree with you Brett.
• 1:13:17
  As a matter of fact, I would take it even further than that.
• 1:13:20
  From Adam, the very first man who ever walked the face of the
• 1:13:24
  Earth. Very first representation of
• 1:13:27
  mankind itself, all the way to the last baby who will ever be
• 1:13:31
  born in the history of the world.
• 1:13:33
  Every single one of us is dying a center.
• 1:13:37
  Every single one of us is going to stand Before the Throne of a
• 1:13:41
  righteous God as filthy rags. And it's only after we get there
• 1:13:47
  in stand before, our father, that Christ is going to cover
• 1:13:49
  our sins with with white pure clothes covered.
• 1:13:55
  In his righteousness. So every one of us is dying in
• 1:13:59
  sin and that means every transgression I'm committing
• 1:14:03
  right now. Whether God was to end my life
• 1:14:06
  in this very moment or if I was to die, 80 years old, as a
• 1:14:10
  pastor, and a missionary, in Africa, feeding sick children.
• 1:14:14
  I am a wicked. Filthy, filthy disgusting
• 1:14:16
  Center. And it's only when I stand
• 1:14:20
  before my righteous father and my savior Christ Jesus covers my
• 1:14:25
  Ins and covers my filthy rags that I'm, I'm once then holy and
• 1:14:31
  purified. So I agree with you Brett and I
• 1:14:34
  don't think it's any different. Was someone who decides to
• 1:14:37
  complete suicide? So, there's many different
• 1:14:42
  people who go through their struggles in life.
• 1:14:45
  There's people who are depressed, the people who do not
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  like the routine that the system and the government, and maybe
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  even the employment that they have.
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  Maybe they don't, they don't feel like they're providing good
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  enough for they're doing enough protecting for whatever the
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  reasons and justifications. If you were to engage someone
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  like this Proverbs guy who just feels like, there's, there's no
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  hope to move Arn. What would you say to to them if
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  you had the opportunity to talk to someone who suffer in this
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  way, Well, you know one thing that you really have to address
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  first is what kind of suffering is this person going through,
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  right? Like is this person suffering
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  emotionally because even though that can be very, very painful,
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  you could still have some hope through that.
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  You can still offer that there's a light at the end of the
• 1:15:39
  tunnel, right? Someone who's been married for
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  30 years to the love of their life and, you know, their dear
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  loved one passes away in a car accident.
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  And they feel like they have no purpose to go on in life.
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  There's hope you know, there's there's hope out there for them
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  to keep going on and I would encourage them in that but you
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  also have other situations where you know it almost seems selfish
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  to not try to at least be understanding even though you
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  would try to talk somebody and ultimately you know saving their
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  life and preserving that gift that God gave them.
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  You know, let's take an extreme situation.
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  Say somebody has A crippling cancer and it's non-curable it's
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  non-reversible it's already past that point of no return.
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  So they have a period coming very soon where they know
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  they're going to die. Let's say they have a year and
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  every single moment they wake up there in excruciating pain and
• 1:16:38
  while they're in excruciating pain, they have to take
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  medication. That's tearing apart the alone.
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  And let me mute that, sorry, Stephen I had to mute.
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  I don't know what's going on over there.
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  Continue on sorry medication right medications, right?
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  It's deteriorating your liver. So you're slowly destroying your
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  temple anyways. And on top of that, you have an
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  a definite expiration date. Like how could we justify
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  telling them that God would be? So displeased with them.
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  If they sped that year, time, frame up a little bit to take
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  themselves out of pain. I don't see how we could Brett.
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  Well, I'm going to talk about something kind of personal and
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  personal to me, that led them to a lot of issues that I've seen
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  where people will eventually end up committing.
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  Suicide of their lives will be destroyed and I want people's
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  opinion out there and chat as well as Proverbs.
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  I have had many many friends out there as well.
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  As some family members who have bipolar manic depression, who
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  have severity depression where they get to a point where they
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  have their highs and their lows for one day, they feel Like,
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  you're on top of the world and other days, they just feel like
• 1:17:55
  the world's coming to an end on them.
• 1:17:57
  It's literally falling apart, around them.
• 1:17:59
  So some of these people they want to make an effort to feel
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  joy and happiness in their life. They want to get over that and
• 1:18:07
  balance out the chemistry. So they go to doctors and they
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  either get misdiagnosed or they're given so many drugs and
• 1:18:15
  medications that it's like a human Pharmacy running around.
• 1:18:19
  I feel like there's a There's a lot of manipulation, there's a
• 1:18:24
  disadvantage going on there where people are looking for
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  help and then within 10 minutes, they're given out all these
• 1:18:32
  prescriptions and all these drugs that they ought to take
• 1:18:35
  and it ends up either turning them into a zombie or taking
• 1:18:38
  anything away from them. That would have been considered
• 1:18:41
  life and sometimes they're given so many drugs, they get addicted
• 1:18:45
  to it, and it ends up, harming them physically and mentally and
• 1:18:49
  making it a hundred times worse than before.
• 1:18:52
  Now, there's some positive stories out there but there's a
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  lot of really negative stories and I don't see a lot of people
• 1:18:58
  talking about this. What is your thoughts proverb?
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  Sorry for going on so long now, I would I would have to say, I
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  agree with you and you know, we also have to keep in mind that
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  we're at a very unique time in human history, where it wasn't
• 1:19:16
  two very long ago where something as simple as the flu.
• 1:19:22
  Almost certainly kill you. And there were so many diseases
• 1:19:27
  without treatment, that it was a fast and painless death in a lot
• 1:19:32
  of cases. Where as now where we've
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  developed as a society with modern medications, we have the
• 1:19:38
  ability to prolong off an inevitable death from multiple,
• 1:19:43
  various diseases. And I think that we've actually
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  complicated it by doing so, like, in a A lot of these cases
• 1:19:53
  where somebody has a disease that God would have been
• 1:19:56
  merciful and taking them out quickly out of the pain.
• 1:19:59
  We give them medications to extend it longer and I just my
• 1:20:04
  heart goes out to them in that kind of situation.
• 1:20:06
  You know what I mean? I hear you there.
• 1:20:12
  What did you guys as feelings up there?
• 1:20:14
  Those who are in text. Seems like they're still
• 1:20:18
  concerned about water fixing as microphone.
• 1:20:22
  Hopefully does get that going because I would love for them to
• 1:20:25
  be able to participate in the discussion.
• 1:20:28
  I just see a lot of misuse of medication.
• 1:20:31
  I see a lot of doctors prescribing things that people
• 1:20:34
  really don't need and sometimes I wonder to myself is all those
• 1:20:37
  things prescribed to people because they want to help the
• 1:20:40
  folks or because they make an extra Buck, I just am curious
• 1:20:45
  about that because I see too many people suffer I see too
• 1:20:48
  many people to do is taken out of their life and people find
• 1:20:52
  themselves from that dark Road and they don't know if there's
• 1:20:55
  any kind of hope. Why is Hope and having faith so
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  important, it seems like a very it seems like an element that
• 1:21:04
  the human species requires in order to exist.
• 1:21:07
  Why do you think that is Hmm. Well, I'll tell you what, I
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  think, it's because hope is a gift, and God is Not oblivious
• 1:21:20
  to the Fallen World, right? He knew before he even put Adam
• 1:21:24
  in the garden. What ultimately, it would all
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  turn into and I think that having Hope was a gift, right?
• 1:21:33
  Even Adam, had the promise of redemption through Christ, all
• 1:21:37
  the way back after being kicked out of the garden.
• 1:21:40
  And imagine how pointless life would have been after being
• 1:21:45
  kicked out of the garden if he didn't have that hope of
• 1:21:48
  redemption. Could you imagine being the man
• 1:21:51
  who literally brought sin and death into the world and not
• 1:21:55
  knowing that one day, God would give us the opportunity to be
• 1:21:59
  rescued from it. Could you imagine the guilt that
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  Adam would have lived through. So Hope and Faith.
• 1:22:07
  These aren't just things that We happen to naturally default to.
• 1:22:13
  I think they're actually quite literally a gift that God gives
• 1:22:17
  us just to get through the day. I got a really odd question for
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  you. Proverbs guy?
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  Because I know that you've had a lot of discussions on this
• 1:22:28
  subject matter. I know Ken Tobin has had a lot
• 1:22:31
  of subject matter on this but at what point in time did Evolution
• 1:22:35
  evolve a mechanism in our head that told us a survival of the
• 1:22:40
  fittest is no longer important that we should just end it.
• 1:22:44
  We're in evolution did this happen.
• 1:22:47
  You got any theories? I don't know, quite when this
• 1:22:55
  idea of survival of the fittest came in, I can tell you that
• 1:23:00
  it's definitely a wicked ideology, right?
• 1:23:04
  Survival of the fittest. Basically says, the strongest
• 1:23:07
  one is going to win, but that's the exact opposite of the
• 1:23:11
  example that God gives us all throughout scriptures.
• 1:23:15
  It's always supposed to be about looking out for the week.
• 1:23:19
  Vessels, right? We're always supposed to put
• 1:23:21
  weaker vessels ahead of ourselves.
• 1:23:24
  I mean, that's why God put the man over, the, the family, it
• 1:23:28
  wasn't so that he could be Lord over the family.
• 1:23:31
  It was because he's the stronger vessel and he's supposed to be
• 1:23:35
  sacrificing himself daily for the weaker vessel.
• 1:23:38
  So I think that survival of the fittest is an ideology.
• 1:23:44
  That literally came to Be counter to God's Perfect Design,
• 1:23:49
  which was to look out for the weaker, right?
• 1:23:52
  I mean, God put Adam over the animals, to be a caretaker over
• 1:23:57
  them. It wasn't so that he could hunt
• 1:24:00
  them all down into Extinction and feast and barbecue every
• 1:24:04
  weekend. But everything about evolution
• 1:24:09
  is to counter God's original design, you know, it's an
• 1:24:12
  explanation for the absence of God and when you take God out of
• 1:24:17
  the equation. Evolution is a very sad theology
• 1:24:21
  but not only is it a sad theology.
• 1:24:24
  It's a very selfish theology, when you get down to brass tacks
• 1:24:28
  and look at things just like you brought up And it's
• 1:24:33
  counterintuitive also isn't it? The survival of his because the
• 1:24:38
  fittest in the strong or going to one day get week there, one
• 1:24:41
  day going to get old there. One day going to struggle with
• 1:24:44
  things that they didn't struggle with this hard before.
• 1:24:48
  So it seems like it's just simply a death cult and it's
• 1:24:51
  definitely goes against the very nature of God.
• 1:24:54
  God teaches us to be protectors merciful, guardians of each
• 1:24:59
  other to love each other, we're Cosmic Family.
• 1:25:02
  That should be protecting taking care of each other.
• 1:25:05
  Not throwing someone away because they're older, because
• 1:25:08
  they're disabled, are because they have some other thing going
• 1:25:11
  on with them, whether it's mental or physical.
• 1:25:15
  It seems like the beneficial way of doing things and also to keep
• 1:25:19
  ourselves alive and having Hope and Faith.
• 1:25:22
  It's also, what keeps us moving forward?
• 1:25:25
  That's at least what I think. Yeah, I would totally agree with
• 1:25:29
  that Brett and even to push it a little bit past that point,
• 1:25:33
  right? God put a Instinct and every
• 1:25:38
  creation on Earth for a sense of community especially with
• 1:25:42
  mankind. You know, he designed us to be a
• 1:25:46
  family unit, he designed us to be a community and survival of
• 1:25:50
  the fittest is the deterioration of community, right?
• 1:25:54
  Because it moves us from one solid.
• 1:25:57
  Family unit looking out for each other and building each other up
• 1:26:01
  to all Survive and Thrive and as one family unit to if I'm
• 1:26:07
  stronger than you, I'm going to survive because that's all that
• 1:26:11
  matters. It takes the design that God
• 1:26:14
  made for us to be a selfless unit and it places us into a
• 1:26:19
  selfish unit. I agree with the Proverbs guy.
• 1:26:27
  Well I have I feel as though I have said pretty much all I can
• 1:26:31
  say yarn how I feel about this. It's a very passionate in-depth
• 1:26:38
  concept that is going on in everybody's existence that I
• 1:26:41
  felt really, really needed to be talked about.
• 1:26:43
  I care about everybody, anybody, no matter what your non-belief
• 1:26:47
  is, our your faith. We care about you, we're
• 1:26:50
  interested in your life and we don't want to see people go
• 1:26:53
  down. And my philosophy and advice is
• 1:26:56
  always been. Is that life is a roller coaster
• 1:26:58
  ride? It's going to have its ups and
• 1:27:00
  downs. There's no reason to rush the
• 1:27:03
  machine just finish it to the end, enjoy the ride, while it
• 1:27:07
  lasts and realize that the Bible.
• 1:27:10
  And as far as the Bible goes, it doesn't teach us at the world's
• 1:27:14
  going to be fair. It's not ever going to be
• 1:27:17
  righteous for us but the only Improvement and advancement we
• 1:27:21
  can do before. God gets back as we can try.
• 1:27:23
  Of Godly lives. And try to mimic at least the
• 1:27:27
  concept of love, as well as Heaven while we're still alive.
• 1:27:31
  And then, of course, when we pass the joy and the tears go
• 1:27:34
  away what you got for me Proverbs you got any more things
• 1:27:38
  you want to bring up? Now I am like you man.
• 1:27:43
  I think we've addressed this topic with a good heart and I'm
• 1:27:47
  really happy that you were willing to take on some of these
• 1:27:50
  taboo subjects that a lot of Believers try to avoid.
• 1:27:53
  Cause of confusion and being afraid that they're going to be
• 1:27:57
  judged for it. And I'm hoping that going over
• 1:28:01
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• 1:28:05
  our heart, we're going to be able to kind of take these taboo
• 1:28:09
  topics and bring them into the mainstream and hopefully
• 1:28:12
  unconfessed use a lot of people about what's actually biblical
• 1:28:16
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• 1:28:22
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