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Standing Up to Bullies: A Global Tutorial for the U.S. on How Not to Be a Jackass Superpower · International Flavor: Where the Truth Tastes Better

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  Bring you some incredibly awesome political talk on
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  podcast and mine are separately also held out
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  at international flavor calm I have been engaged
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  in some research on state Overreach once again
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  all day.
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  I've been pretty Pretty what do you call
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  it?
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  Engaged in that and it just it drives
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  me nuts.
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  I really hate to see State overreach.
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  I hate to see state employees Going into
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  places.
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  They haven't been granted authority to go Creating
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  things.
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  They haven't been granted authority to create interpreting
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  things.
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  They haven't been allowed to interpret all Kinds
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  of stuff and it drives me nuts I
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  had a good thought this morning and I
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  got about halfway through creating my Topic from
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  my show tonight and I got interrupted by
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  something So it's only halfway done, which means
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  it'll only take about half of the program
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  That's possible, but that's okay because there's a
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  lot of news that went on today and
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  I'm going to go through quite a bit
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  of it and But basically I got to
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  thinking about last night's You know me talking
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  about Especially on the Venezuela and but the
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  problem is I haven't had a lot of
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  chance to go through the news today because
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  I was you know, otherwise occupied and But
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  I got to thinking about the history Because
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  I had said some things last night I
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  said a couple of things like You know,
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  what business is it of ours to be?
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  Engaging and telling, you know regime change in
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  Venezuela taking care of things like that But
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  you know I haven't even looked at the
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  news how we could have blown them up
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  by now and I wouldn't know Because I
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  didn't have a chance to dig into it
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  today, but I still feel that same way
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  and I feel And I thought about doing
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  and I did a history But I didn't
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  go back to they get to go all
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  the way that I wanted.
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  So my topic tonight.
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  I wanted it to be about Bullying and
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  You know all through the 90s when my
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  kids were were young, you know bullying And
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  I remember growing up as a kid with
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  with glasses, you know, I had to wear
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  glasses I was blind as a bat and
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  you'd have one dumb kid out there call
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  you before us, you know You know all
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  that stuff and and I was so tiny
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  I was the smallest kid in the class
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  all the way up to like 10th 11th
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  grade.
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  I mean, you know, I was tiny just
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  puny little dude and you know, I got
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  a little growth spurt between 11th grade and
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  12th grade and went from 4 foot 10
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  to 5 foot 9 and that's where I
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  stayed today, you know Well, hell I might
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  have shrunk half-inch who the hell who
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  the hell knows and but I but nobody
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  recognized me when I come back Different different
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  kid, but I got I didn't get bullied
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  but you know not much but you'd have
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  Bullying did and does exist and it's more
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  of a private thing, but the bully is
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  this is the same when somebody stands up
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  to a bully a lot of times they
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  don't know how to take it in and
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  in and I Got to thinking about that
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  on a bigger Broader level Because in my
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  opinion The United States has been a bully
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  Full and along with Europe and all the
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  idiots over there We we have been Collectively
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  the United States has been a bully for
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  a long time we got to talking about
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  that a little bit last night because of
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  you know, what we're doing in Venezuela and
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  It's I'm completely against it, you know both
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  in high school or grade school or wherever
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  bullies live and I'm totally against it in
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  International affairs I just it's it's it's not
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  right, you know Yeah, well, you know rules
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  for me, you know, they don't they don't
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  you know I don't have to worry about
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  about those rules, you know, those rules don't
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  apply to me Because I'm a bully because
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  I can do whatever I want there ain't
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  a damn thing you can do to stop
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  about it or you won't Stop it remember
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  when I was talking last night about that
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  Trey or a the guy from Burkina Faso
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  and he you know the new the new
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  president.
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  Well, he's not that new He's been there
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  for a couple three years now, I think
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  but he they're changing and a lot of
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  people are changing and They're changing the way
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  they act and they're changing the way they
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  integrate I played for you the Jai Shankar
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  the first one you know that was you
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  know several months ago and it but it's
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  the same and You know the impression that
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  they give from them there It's it's the
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  exact same that I would give in in
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  high school.
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  Well, you know bullies Bullies don't end well
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  You know when somebody stands up to them
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  and you know famous last words But it's
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  but but the more I get to thinking
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  about it The more I start to think
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  that what the old Trumpster is doing in
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  Venezuela Really has to do with what he's
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  trying to accomplish in Russia.
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  He's trying to do something with the oil
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  down there This is nothing to do with
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  drugs.
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  It has nothing to do with drug cartels
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  It is it is nothing to do with
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  that that's what they're selling us But this
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  has nothing to do with that.
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  It has to do with oil.
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  It has to do with regime change so
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  that all of those assets can be re
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  oh I don't know reformatted Redirected to the
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  right people will put that right in quotes
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  like Mike Myers did when he was Austin
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  Powers, you know, just the right people.
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  They're not Austin Powers.
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  He was actually the Whatever his name was
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  the bad guy in those shows which was
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  also Mike Myers But it's it's it's the
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  right people that have to profit right and
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  and I can't imagine That we're there doing
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  anything else I mean the reason anybody wanted
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  Ukraine in the first place and Donald Trump
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  was pretty open about it the reason he
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  he wants it for the natural resources and
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  That's the whole reason for NATO expansion.
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  Anyway is so that we can control not
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  only Resources, but narratives we get a control
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  the dollar we get a control the International
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  Monetary Fund the banking we go in and
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  we blow up a country destroy that country
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  and then come in and rebuild it and
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  the people who Get the money to rebuild
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  Are not local They are American contractors and
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  the contractors all get money from the government
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  to go and rebuild And they all get
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  rich and use penny labor from you know,
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  wherever Bangladesh, you know to in these foreign
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  countries and they pay these people pennies and
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  they get fabulously wealthy and All on our
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  nickel it's our history It's been colonialism 101
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  that we learned from Britain Britain learned it
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  from France France learned from Spain I may
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  have those reversed a little bit, but I
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  think that's right and it's been going on,
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  you know Since the Romans, you know at
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  least in in longer than that where you
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  go in you take you know you that's
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  war is the economic enhancement of a country
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  and Bullying which you know might lead to
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  war is How we have acted for a
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  good number of years.
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  So what I did was I put together
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  a bunch of examples of These that go
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  back at least until and and I thought
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  I'd go back even further but I really
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  like I said initially I didn't have enough
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  time to get that done today and But
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  I wanted to go back at least until
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  oh The Biggest event that left us with
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  one person or one country rule was the
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  collapse of Soviet Union and I wanted to
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  make a comment on what that question was
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  from the girl who was interviewing Jai Shankar
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  last night and basically what she said which
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  is Highly offensive and it offended him too
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  But it offended it offends me and the
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  and the guy who asked him the first
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  question, too I mean, this is just offensive
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  the way bet the the behavior of these
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  people where they come in and go Well,
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  you're gonna have to pick at some point
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  between China in the United States Really who
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  said that why do I have to pick
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  between China in the United States why?
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  What what is it out there in the
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  world?
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  That says I India have to pick between
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  China and the United States for what I
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  can't deal with both of them.
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  I Mean is this and she believed it
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  she was sitting and you know, she was
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  she was rude to him at first You
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  know, he was asking a question.
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  So slapped him down.
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  Wait a minute.
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  I'm not done Gotta ask I gotta finish
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  my question.
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  Be quiet.
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  Be quiet peasant.
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  I'm from the West.
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  I'm a Western journalist I I'm interviewing you
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  you just be quiet and I will tell
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  you what what I want you to hear
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  and the the arrogance of the of the
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  thought process that says it's either the West
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  or it's China you must do one or
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  the other and I That's just completely foolish
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  and and his answer was well what what
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  makes it and he didn't use these words
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  But what makes them mutually exclusive?
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  Why can't I if I like to buy?
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  Grain, and I get it cheaper from the
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  United States.
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  Why can't I buy grain from the United
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  States and I don't know You know Manufactured
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  baseball bats from China.
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  What difference does it make you're gonna Punish
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  me by because I go into business with
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  somebody you don't like Just like a bully,
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  you know, you're not allowed to like that
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  person, you know, oh geez stay away from
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  him Stay away from her.
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  She's not on the cheerleading squad.
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  Oh and Don't don't talk to him You
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  know kind of like the Missouri bar, you
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  know you Missouri bar and Sam trap.
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  Oh stay away from him Better stand up
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  wind of him today.
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  He's not well, you know something like that
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  But it's it's when it's on the global
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  level.
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  Doesn't it just sound foolish?
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  I mean, I remember and I talked about
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  this when I was located in Lithuania and
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  those the several times I was I Don't
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  know what treated poorly by by Yandex drivers
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  the same as uber but they Treated me
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  poorly because I spoke Russian or they refused
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  to speak Russian back You know, I feel
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  it's it's it's just so foolish and and
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  so it's foolish for Bullies on the world
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  stage, but we've been bullies for a long
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  time and I wanted to give some examples
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  of those and so let's let's go back
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  to I've several examples and But we're gonna
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  start with some some of the biggies that
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  are going on now I can't decide if
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  I'm gonna do it I'm gonna do it
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  in the way that it comes out on
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  the on the print that I have here
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  Instead of By I Wanted to do it
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  in in order by timeline, you know Oldest
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  dates forward, but I haven't had time to
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  do all of that stuff So so let's
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  get it a chat about it And first
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  I wanted to go into some of the
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  obvious ones that are that are kind of
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  going on right now and the bullying That
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  has taken place right now on the world
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  stage and it's Toned down a little bit
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  by the by the world because India is
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  not having it You know, they didn't and
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  so India is a good one.
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  Russia isn't having it China isn't having it,
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  but they they what they're they're trying right
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  and So I want to give some examples
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  of companies or I'm sorry countries resisting u
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  .s. Pressure or asserting their own autonomy Saying
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  you know, hey, we do want to play
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  with you I mean Russia's been trying to
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  play on the same field with us trying
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  to join NATO forever.
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  Russia's been trying to You know not be
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  the bad guy for a long time And
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  the u.s. Won't have it the West
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  won't have it, you know Did they been
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  talking about it for a while?
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  so the ultimate case in the most obvious,
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  of course is the Ukraine war and Russia
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  has openly defied the West defied Biden defied
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  everything that they've been doing since 2014 You
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  know and the US and the EU defied
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  sanctions They push their own narrative in the
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  international field talking about multipolarity and the more
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  you push back against a bully the more
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  People listen to you and say, you know,
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  maybe we should listen to this guy these
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  guys have been being bullied for a while
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  and it's kind of funny for us to
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  say that Russia's being bullied because remember when
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  the Soviet Union was around we were Considered
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  relatively Equal right the the Eastern Bloc and
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  the Western Bloc Nobody wants to push any
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  buttons because those buttons ultimately lead to a
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  nuclear standoff Nobody wants that because it's not
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  good for the parties it's not good for
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  the world and that's true friends and neighbors,
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  it just isn't and so then after the
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  collapse of the Soviet Union We decided they
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  weren't worth any effort at all But still
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  treated them like the biggest baddest enemy on
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  the planet and Took advantage of what we
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  could robbed what we could sent over businesses
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  like we could but didn't treat them remotely
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  as as Equals and We don't do that
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  with anyone.
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  It's always condescending Nonsense, I really need to
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  find that Anthony Blinken and Jaishankar one because
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  that one was funny when they were talking
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  in Jaishankar Basically blew him off and Blinken
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  was dead embarrassed on the stage Let's see
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  if I can find it real quick because
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  that one was hilarious Blinken and Jaishankar Jaishankar
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  Because that I'm telling you that was what
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  did he put in there to say on
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  the on the g20 You think they got
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  savage oh, yep here it is it's six
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  minutes and this this one was in Was
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  one year ago, I believe a little bit
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  more than a year and he he gave
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  he was Grilled about Multipolarity and Russia's ties
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  and he beat up on blinking and this
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  and and sorry to go back to Jaishankar
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  again But he's such a good example of
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  people just standing up for themselves, and I
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  can't imagine that a country ten times our
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  size Is bigger than that I don't know
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  I'd have to figure it out might be
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  might be 15 to 20 times our size
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  that That they have to justify a position
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  with us It's it's unbelievable and so let's
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  let's see what it is just because I
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  liked it back then I want to play
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  it For you now, and I'm 90%
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  sure this is the right cut since it's
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  been seen How many times this thing has
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  like 40,000 views and 4,000 comments
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  and you know, that's Of course, they got
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  8 million subscribers, too.
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  But let's see here.
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  Let's get to This because this is standing
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  up to a bully you want to stand
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  up to a bully 101 lesson listen to
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  this Your question.
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  Do we have multiple options answers?
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  Yes Is that a problem why should it
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  be a problem if I'm smart enough to
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  have multiple Options, you should be admiring me,
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  you know, you shouldn't be criticizing now Is
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  is that a problem for other people?
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  So he's on the stage with Germany And
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  Darn it You know what?
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  I'm thinking is that this is not the
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  right one that it had because they only
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  gave that one response that's freaking irritating and
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  I want to Have the right one.
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  I'll give it a little bit more of
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  a play, but you heard the short blurb,
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  but the the I Believe she's the foreign
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  minister of Germany that's on the stage about
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  him, too.
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  Yeah, she's Annalena Verbach she's not too bright
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  either and they had this panel discussion and
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  It was one of the best that I
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  had seen and it looks like this is
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  it but damn it Let's see, let's make
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  sure we're in the right spot and maybe
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  it'll start to pick up let's check it
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  out So There's somebody else there it is
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  choice Multiple-choice Mindset is would that be
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  would that be right?
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  From non-alignment to I think you may
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  have called it or somebody else called it
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  all alignment so you can pick and choose
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  Alliances, but you can also pick and choose
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  topics on Russia.
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  For example, you still buy Russian oil Is
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  that okay with your Counterpart from the u
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  .s. Everything is your your relationship is fine.
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  You can do whatever you want whenever you
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  want Okay, first of all You're sitting next
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  to each other first of all Delighted to
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  be here and I couldn't find a better
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  set of people to be with on the
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  stage So thank you for whoever put us
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  all together This is your question do we
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  have multiple options answers?
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  Yes Is that a problem why should it
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  be a problem if I'm smart enough to
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  have multiple options you should be admiring me
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  You know, you shouldn't be criticizing Now Is
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  is that a problem for other people?
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  I don't think so I don't think so
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  certainly in this case and in that case
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  because look we try to explain what are
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  the different pools and pressures which countries have
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  and It's very hard to have a unidimensional
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  Relationship now again different countries and different relationships
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  have different histories If I were to look
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  say between the u.s. And Germany it
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  is rooted, you know, there's a alliance Nature
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  to it.
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  There's a certain History on which that relationship
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  is grounded in our case.
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  It's very different.
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  So I don't want you to even inadvertently
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  Give the impression that we are purely and
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  you know Unsentimentally transactional we are not You
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  know, we get along with people we believe
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  in things we share things.
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  We agree on some things, but You know,
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  there are times when you know, when you're
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  located in different places have different levels of
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  development different Experiences all of that gets into
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  it.
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  So life is complicated life is differentiated And
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  I think it's very important today not to
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  reduce the entire complexity of our world Into
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  very sweeping propositions.
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  I think that era is today behind us
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  So I agree very much with what Tony
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  said, which is good partners provide choices Smart
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  partners take some of those choices But sometimes
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  there will be choices on which you say
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  well, you know, I think I'll pass up
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  on that one It's a very good point
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  which brings me to the bricks and the
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  rise of metal powers because that is one
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  of Of the shifts that we see today
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  do you had to see Blinken's face during
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  this?
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  He's he's just I don't say shocked.
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  He's like disgusted it's like He's not just
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  gonna bend over for me nope, to what
• 24:12
  extent you think that that is a challenge
• 24:15
  to the West or Maybe that can be
• 24:18
  sort of the bridge, especially in a world
• 24:20
  where we will see continued competition between the
• 24:24
  US and China and I'm gonna ask ministers
• 24:29
  But I'd love for both of you to
• 24:31
  come.
• 24:32
  Yeah, I thought maybe the bricks one you
• 24:34
  wanted the u.s. After you Jack, please
• 24:37
  I Again, I think it's important to go
• 24:40
  back to how it began The brick started
• 24:44
  in an era where Western dominance was very
• 24:48
  strong the premier gathering of the world was
• 24:53
  the g7 and You had a number of
• 24:57
  significant powers in the world Who felt that?
• 25:02
  Well, they were not part of the g7,
• 25:05
  but maybe they also Brought value to the
• 25:09
  table by sitting and discussing with others So
• 25:13
  in a sense you had a collection of
• 25:17
  these countries.
• 25:17
  It was originally for South Africa joined later
• 25:22
  and If you know if you look at
• 25:26
  it, it's a very interesting group because it's
• 25:30
  Geographically as disparate as it can be Yet
• 25:34
  it is bound by the fact that These
• 25:39
  discussions we've had over a decade and a
• 25:42
  half have been very useful for all of
• 25:43
  us Now like any product you test it
• 25:47
  in the market at some point We tested
• 25:50
  it last year and asked people So how
• 25:52
  many of you want to join bricks and
• 25:54
  we got almost 30 countries who were willing
• 25:56
  to join bricks?
• 25:56
  So clearly if 30 countries saw value in
• 25:59
  it, there must be something good we've done
• 26:02
  So I I think it's important today to
• 26:08
  make a distinction being between being non West
• 26:13
  and anti-west I Would certainly characterize India
• 26:18
  as a country Which is non West but
• 26:21
  which has an extremely strong relationship with Western
• 26:23
  countries getting better by the day Not everybody
• 26:28
  else necessarily in that grouping might qualify for
• 26:30
  that description but the the Contribution the bricks
• 26:36
  is made, you know, if one looks at
• 26:38
  the g7 and how it evolved into the
• 26:41
  g20 I Think in a way those additional
• 26:45
  13 members who came into his bigger grouping
• 26:49
  Five of them are bricks members the fact
• 26:51
  that there was another group which was meeting
• 26:53
  regularly and discussing and debating I think certainly
• 26:56
  was a Input into the expansion of the
• 26:59
  g70 g7 into the g20.
• 27:02
  So I think we did a service to
• 27:03
  the world Now I heard the Blinken response
• 27:09
  and he was pretty negative on that when
• 27:11
  he when he finally responded But that is
• 27:14
  standing up You know the the point of
• 27:18
  this Diplomatics this press conference session with with
• 27:22
  Annalena verba with Anthony Blinken and Jai Shankar
• 27:27
  from India was for Germany and the United
• 27:31
  States to tag-team him and get him
• 27:36
  to Somehow show See the displeasure of the
• 27:43
  United States and the West that they're still
• 27:47
  cooperating with Russia and it's You know, you
• 27:52
  should some of the commentary that they give
• 27:54
  on this about about it What a brilliant
• 27:58
  diplomatic reply if I'm smart enough to have
• 28:01
  multiple off options.
• 28:03
  You should be admiring me This is a
• 28:06
  one critical shot at u.s. Hegemony and
• 28:09
  the expression of India's strategic autonomy and it's
• 28:15
  he He explains his point of view in
• 28:20
  a friendly logical civilized way many countries could
• 28:24
  learn from that and it seemed that Anthony
• 28:27
  Blinken may have was another comment and He
• 28:32
  Modi has definitely placed a gem in the
• 28:35
  seat of the foreign ministry He's eloquent outshines
• 28:40
  all of them with intelligence diplomacy and thoughtful
• 28:43
  response India here's another one in Krishna 8917
• 28:49
  says India is lucky to have Jai Shankar
• 28:53
  as the external affairs minister full marks to
• 28:56
  Modi for giving the ministry a Professional to
• 29:00
  a professional and allowing him to take Decisions
• 29:04
  that benefit India.
• 29:08
  It's I mean the way he looks They're
• 29:15
  talking about blinking the way Blinken's looking at
• 29:18
  Jai Shankar Shows, you know what what he's
• 29:23
  thinking, you know, that's that's written there So,
• 29:25
  I mean there's there's plenty on that and
• 29:28
  so I encourage everyone to go and listen
• 29:31
  to what India is doing India and China
• 29:35
  are Coming into their own let's say and
• 29:41
  so it's it's it's wrong to think That
• 29:45
  they're third world countries And if you think
• 29:48
  that way you probably need to change your
• 29:51
  way of thinking because that's not right So,
• 29:54
  you know India itself is a goldmine for
• 29:57
  some of the anti-bullying that I that
• 30:00
  I get to talk about Russia, you know,
• 30:02
  we have Ukraine Russia frequently accuses the United
• 30:05
  States of economic coercion now, so does China
• 30:11
  so does Indian as do many others and
• 30:15
  They Say they weaponize sanctions weaponize IMF
• 30:24
  Weaponize the dollar and we do there's there's
• 30:28
  no denying it.
• 30:29
  We do and we have and That's that
• 30:34
  So they do they leave there but they're
• 30:36
  speaking the truth and so, you know There
• 30:38
  was interesting in there that bricks was part
• 30:41
  of that because of what Jai Shankar said
• 30:44
  Let me see here if I can figure
• 30:46
  this out.
• 30:47
  Hold on Hello caller How may I help
• 30:52
  you can you hear me Yes, I do
• 30:55
  Sam.
• 30:56
  Did you did you know the music that
• 30:58
  led into my call?
• 31:01
  Dire Straits the Sultans of Swing.
• 31:03
  I love that song good stuff.
• 31:05
  Oh It's good stuff So here's my I'm
• 31:09
  calling in for this question.
• 31:11
  Do you think that?
• 31:15
  Sending tomahawks into Deep in side of Russia
• 31:22
  What what?
• 31:24
  What's what's up with that?
• 31:26
  Did that get approved today?
• 31:28
  I meant to see that question, but I
• 31:30
  didn't see that it was actually approved What
• 31:33
  a lot what I saw yesterday was the
• 31:35
  old Trumpster didn't didn't Say anything solid on
• 31:41
  it.
• 31:41
  He said I may have approved but you
• 31:43
  know, I'm not really sure Ben I really
• 31:46
  have been very busy today and I didn't
• 31:49
  get a chance to follow up on that
• 31:50
  before the show Sorry about that.
• 31:52
  But the last I heard was that He
• 31:55
  was going to make sure What they were
• 31:58
  being used for and where but that he
• 32:00
  would you know, he wasn't gonna give him
• 32:02
  to Ukraine He was gonna give him to
• 32:03
  NATO and NATO might give him to Ukraine,
• 32:06
  which somehow makes it Okay, which it really
• 32:08
  doesn't because only the US can target them
• 32:11
  anyway NATO is a dysfunctional Situation.
• 32:18
  No, no, no doubt.
• 32:19
  Yeah.
• 32:20
  Yeah and and the United Nations and the
• 32:23
  world economic just you must have been listening
• 32:27
  to my show for the last period of
• 32:29
  history because I Love your show Sam and
• 32:33
  here's the reason why it's because we are
• 32:36
  we have congruent thoughts You know, we we're
• 32:39
  we're we're kindred spirits and whatever that means
• 32:43
  whether it's good bad or indifferent But we
• 32:45
  at least think along a similar You know
• 32:49
  similar Trajectory What a great word I just
• 32:58
  made that word up well I Heard you
• 33:03
  didn't make it up.
• 33:04
  That's a that's a yeah.
• 33:06
  So anyway, so Sam man.
• 33:09
  Oh, man Oh, man, I'll shove it's there's
• 33:11
  so much going on in this world right
• 33:13
  now and and we just have I think
• 33:18
  now more than ever we have to find
• 33:22
  ourselves in a place of discernment, you know,
• 33:25
  just a place of thinking is thinking is
• 33:29
  for those who can And I think and
• 33:31
  I think it's very good when we force
• 33:33
  people, but I'm sorry to interrupt you But
• 33:35
  I wanted to ask you before I forgot
• 33:37
  because I'm old and I forget things like
• 33:39
  right away I wanted to ask you what
• 33:42
  your thoughts are if Let's say that the
• 33:45
  old trumpster made the decision to give tomahawks
• 33:48
  to Russia And the only reason he would
• 33:50
  by the way is so that there would
• 33:53
  be u.s Targeting on those missiles, but
• 33:56
  he can always say well We didn't push
• 33:58
  the button somebody else push the button and
• 34:01
  the reason they get sent there is only
• 34:04
  to destroy Russian sources of economic power which
• 34:10
  are oil fields gas fields gas processing oil
• 34:14
  processing and Blow those up and so that
• 34:18
  that is that is the goal if this
• 34:21
  is being done the only reason anybody would
• 34:24
  consider storm shadows Taurus's whatever the one is
• 34:28
  that the French have and in these Tomahawks
• 34:33
  are to do that the only way they
• 34:36
  can't bring Russia to their knees with sanctions
• 34:39
  the way that they've been saying for For
• 34:42
  well, she's longer than that 11 years.
• 34:45
  And so we have to blow something up
• 34:48
  and and and Unfortunately, I'm one of those
• 34:51
  who believes that the old trumpster has the
• 34:53
  wrong advisors and he's getting closer and closer
• 34:56
  and closer to approving this sort of lunacy
• 35:03
  Okay, that is a very valid perspective I'm
• 35:07
  not gonna argue with that that much.
• 35:10
  However, I have to say this more than
• 35:13
  anything else I think this is a spiritual
• 35:16
  battle and you know I think the Russians
• 35:19
  You know that just the common everyday Russians
• 35:23
  common everyday Americans and the common everyday, you
• 35:28
  know, whatever the Chinese I Gotta
• 35:44
  stop you.
• 35:45
  There's something going on with your phone say
• 35:47
  something new But if it continues, I'll ask
• 35:50
  you to hang up and call back in
• 35:52
  but say something new and see if it's
• 35:54
  gone away Well the new thing that there
• 35:57
  you go that well, no, no I just
• 35:59
  wanted to make sure the warbling was gone.
• 36:01
  You sound like mrs.
• 36:02
  Othmar on Charlie Brown my pop my pop
• 36:05
  my pop and so But you fixed it.
• 36:09
  Whatever you did.
• 36:09
  It's fixed well, I think whatever it was
• 36:13
  was something outside of my scope of Endeavor
• 36:17
  could have been here.
• 36:18
  Who knows?
• 36:19
  It could have been aliens could be aliens
• 36:22
  It could be brother.
• 36:24
  They're coming.
• 36:25
  They're definitely coming Have you heard of project
• 36:28
  blue beam No You should you should consider
• 36:35
  thinking about googling or whatever you do, you
• 36:39
  know researching wikipedia Project blue beam there there
• 36:44
  there there are nefarious things on this World
• 36:51
  right now that are trying to confuse us.
• 36:54
  They're trying to mind at us.
• 36:56
  They're trying to Confuse us and and it's
• 37:00
  been happening for decades, bro for decades.
• 37:04
  And so Here here's my bottom line.
• 37:08
  This is the reason I call into your
• 37:10
  show and JR show and I show you
• 37:13
  guys are Imbued you you have a certain
• 37:20
  Understanding of what's going on in the world
• 37:22
  and and I feel like we share a
• 37:26
  symbiotic Perspective just a just a common point
• 37:32
  of view Whether it's right or wrong or
• 37:35
  indifferent we share something and and we get
• 37:39
  to do that with you know our freedom
• 37:41
  of speech our freedom of you know, thought
• 37:45
  more than anything and I just feel so
• 37:51
  Fortunate Sam so fortunate to be a part
• 37:55
  of something Bigger than just You know the
• 38:00
  propaganda outlets you you are people of free
• 38:05
  speech and free thought and that's all I've
• 38:09
  ever been forever and ever and ever and
• 38:11
  all the all the radio shows that I've
• 38:14
  listened to and You guys are bringing it
• 38:16
  all to a giant precipice, you know What's
• 38:22
  the guy art Bell that that?
• 38:25
  We all listen to yeah And and then
• 38:29
  and then there's a guy named Chuck Carter.
• 38:31
  I don't know if you remember him, but
• 38:32
  I do and then and then Even the
• 38:37
  recent ones like The guy that took over
• 38:40
  for our belt George Nori, you know, he's
• 38:43
  tried hard and then the guy that just
• 38:44
  died recently.
• 38:46
  I Don't know You I Wish I could
• 38:51
  just bring it to the forefront, but there's
• 38:54
  so many people and they've been on talk
• 38:57
  radio Talk radio you that this this Platform
• 39:02
  is beyond Belief bro.
• 39:05
  You guys are are just laying the groundwork
• 39:10
  for the future of Information Well, I'm glad
• 39:17
  you like it.
• 39:18
  This is this is and if I didn't
• 39:20
  enjoy doing it, I wouldn't but I enjoyed
• 39:22
  it You wouldn't do it.
• 39:23
  You wish there's so many things you've been
• 39:25
  everywhere Sam You've been a lot of places
• 39:28
  and I mean just only from listening to
• 39:30
  you from your shows and whatnot and your
• 39:32
  brothers, you know Whatever his name is Thomas
• 39:37
  or Matthew But you guys are so committed
• 39:40
  to just just sharing information and that is
• 39:45
  truly Where we are in this world it
• 39:49
  this war is about information.
• 39:52
  It's not about bullets It's not about bombs.
• 39:55
  It's not about baby killing.
• 39:56
  It's not about you know, it the the
• 40:00
  true There's definitely some loonies out there, you
• 40:05
  know on a lot of these things Would
• 40:08
  you just got to speak the truth?
• 40:10
  we have to speak we have to share
• 40:11
  the truth repeatedly and that's what you guys
• 40:14
  are doing and I'm just just so honored
• 40:16
  and proud and and I feel so good
• 40:20
  about being in touch with people that have
• 40:24
  a particular point of view and and so
• 40:29
  Yeah, I just you very very much Yeah,
• 40:32
  just I encourage you to continue to do
• 40:34
  what you're doing because you're doing God's work
• 40:37
  What you're doing is you're providing information for
• 40:39
  people who's gotta wear this.
• 40:41
  Is this gonna help me later?
• 40:44
  No, bro, you hear that you want to
• 40:46
  hear a joke you ready for my favorite
• 40:48
  joke of all time Tell me well, I
• 40:51
  actually have two favorite jokes One's my dad's
• 40:53
  favorite joke, which is really kind of lame
• 40:56
  and the second one is a lawyer too.
• 40:58
  Well, it's a judge joke actually, so Mm
• 41:01
  -hmm.
• 41:03
  Let's get all prepared Sam's getting ready for
• 41:05
  a joke and to be humorous ready So
• 41:09
  lawyer dies Goes up to heaven there.
• 41:12
  He is getting ready to go into the
• 41:14
  pearly gates.
• 41:15
  He walks up pearly gates.
• 41:16
  There's st.
• 41:16
  Peter standing there and st.
• 41:19
  Peter's looking at him.
• 41:20
  He says Let me check my book here
• 41:24
  checks his book he says I'm really sorry
• 41:26
  sir, but you're you're not on the list
• 41:28
  He says what course I'm on the list
• 41:31
  have a look again, I'm obviously I'm on
• 41:34
  the list and he looks at it again
• 41:36
  he goes Sir, I've looked at the list
• 41:39
  and you're just not on it.
• 41:40
  He goes man.
• 41:41
  I've only cheated on my wife and he
• 41:43
  holds up She said you know, what did
• 41:45
  not too many times and I didn't screw
• 41:47
  my clients over but it was not all
• 41:49
  the time You know, but I'm a good
• 41:51
  guy.
• 41:52
  Surely surely you can look and I think
• 41:54
  there's some mistake has been made Have a
• 41:57
  look again And he takes a look again
• 42:01
  and he goes well, sir.
• 42:02
  I'm really sorry, but you're you're just not
• 42:05
  on the list There's not much we can
• 42:07
  do he goes.
• 42:07
  Well sure the lawyer says well surely there
• 42:09
  has to be some kind of an appeal
• 42:12
  process This is something is wrong here.
• 42:14
  I've got to be able to appeal.
• 42:16
  There's got to be rules and he says
• 42:18
  well Yeah, we have rules.
• 42:20
  Here's the book of the rules.
• 42:21
  Here's here's a form you fill out this
• 42:23
  form you know six seven pages you fill
• 42:26
  it out you tell us, you know your
• 42:28
  your thought process on this and You just
• 42:32
  complete it and bring it back to me.
• 42:34
  He says and then he goes well what
• 42:36
  happens then he goes well, then you know
• 42:38
  you you put it here in the in
• 42:40
  the box and then when your turn comes
• 42:44
  up, you'll go before a judge and the
• 42:47
  judge will Meet you and go through your
• 42:50
  case and you can put on evidence, you
• 42:52
  know, very similar To what you were doing
• 42:55
  down there and he goes, okay Well, how
• 42:58
  long does this process take he says all
• 43:01
  the last ones?
• 43:02
  To have been taken about 17 18 years
• 43:05
  apiece and the lawyer goes 17 18 years.
• 43:10
  Are you kidding me?
• 43:11
  Why in?
• 43:13
  St. Peter looks at him and he says
• 43:14
  well, sir, there just aren't a lot of
• 43:17
  judges up here Nothing.
• 43:23
  I got nothing for that.
• 43:25
  You didn't even Chuckle And that's where you
• 43:29
  leave it.
• 43:30
  That's where you leave it there.
• 43:31
  We Got nothing but you hated my joke.
• 43:37
  Oh, that's terrible Judge not lest we we
• 43:41
  judge brother and listen, you know, so here's
• 43:43
  the funniest thing.
• 43:45
  I did you even listen to my joke?
• 43:47
  I Listen to your joke.
• 43:49
  I think I got your joke.
• 43:50
  You didn't get it There aren't a lot
• 43:54
  of judges up here Meaning the judges are
• 43:58
  all in hell.
• 43:59
  Yes And so
• 44:09
  Sam, here's the thing Here's the thing.
• 44:11
  I think I enjoy most about your show
• 44:15
  is you are not a Devout you know
• 44:21
  Believer in Christ or Jesus or whatever?
• 44:24
  you're just a you're a guy just a
• 44:26
  regular guy that's searching for truth and and
• 44:31
  I that isn't so important and we are
• 44:34
  all in search of truths brother and and
• 44:38
  you are just honest and open about your
• 44:42
  Search, you know your quest and that's what
• 44:46
  I admire most about your show more than
• 44:48
  anything Thank you very much Yeah, I don't
• 44:52
  I don't you don't have all the answers,
• 44:54
  you know, you're in search.
• 44:56
  I told you that I know everything You
• 44:58
  want another joke?
• 44:59
  Here's another joke between me between me and
• 45:03
  JR Hartenstein We know everything.
• 45:06
  Okay, we know absolutely everything between the two
• 45:10
  of us We know every question known to
• 45:13
  man ask me any question and I'll prove
• 45:15
  it All right, so hold on for one
• 45:17
  second while I reply to that I know
• 45:20
  I know I don't think I don't wish
• 45:23
  I don't Hope I don't you know, I
• 45:25
  don't I don't pray.
• 45:26
  I know I know what I know brother
• 45:29
  and that's why I continue to tune in
• 45:32
  to you and JR and I can and
• 45:35
  Gabby and the girls on the I know
• 45:39
  But now to prove my point you have
• 45:41
  to ask me any question any question Ask
• 45:44
  me me between me and you between me
• 45:46
  and JR. We know the answer.
• 45:48
  So you give me a question ready?
• 45:51
  Is Jesus our Savior?
• 45:54
  Jr. Knows that one What about you, bro?
• 45:58
  You got you didn't get another joke.
• 46:01
  Oh my gosh.
• 46:02
  My jokes are just falling completely flat I'm
• 46:05
  gonna give you a third one.
• 46:06
  Okay, and pay attention here because it's getting
• 46:09
  difficult now I have to give you a
• 46:10
  third joke.
• 46:11
  This is my father's favorite joke ready, and
• 46:13
  he passed away in oh seven So he
• 46:15
  doesn't get to tell it anymore.
• 46:17
  So I'm gonna pass on this joke to
• 46:19
  you ready?
• 46:20
  guy standing on top of a tall building
• 46:23
  very very tall building and He's looking over
• 46:26
  the side and then he slips and he
• 46:28
  falls down.
• 46:29
  He falls all the way down to the
• 46:31
  ground He and he gets up Looks around
• 46:34
  he's brushing himself off another guy comes running
• 46:37
  up and he says Then the guy running
• 46:39
  up says what happened here?
• 46:40
  What happened here?
• 46:42
  And the guy looks at him.
• 46:43
  He says, I don't know.
• 46:45
  I just arrived So you'll laugh at that
• 46:50
  one, I don't know I just got here
• 46:52
  you laugh at that one You missed the
• 46:53
  judge joke and then the between me and
• 46:56
  JR We know everything and as you asked
• 46:58
  me what's the capital of Zimbabwe and I
• 47:00
  say, I don't know JR knows that one
• 47:02
  There's nothing I did.
• 47:04
  It's not even funny.
• 47:05
  So but you laugh at my dad's joke
• 47:07
  So that just proves that my father was
• 47:09
  the humorist of them all and that I
• 47:12
  just have no stand-up ability Of course,
• 47:15
  I'm sitting down right now.
• 47:16
  Maybe if I stood up it would have
• 47:17
  been different.
• 47:18
  Well, so here's here's my dad It's not
• 47:21
  a joke.
• 47:21
  It's just in response to that.
• 47:23
  I went to church at the at the
• 47:27
  invitation of a fellow That's on your radio
• 47:31
  show just random Random invitation went to church.
• 47:35
  It was July 21st 2004 he invited a
• 47:40
  guy and So the preacher preached his name's
• 47:45
  10 day 10 day just a nice Preacher
• 47:48
  a leather-lunged preacher and he convinced me
• 47:52
  to to I don't know if this I
• 47:55
  don't think was him It's just the whole
• 47:57
  thing that day he we we went back
• 48:00
  into his back behind the pulpit thing and
• 48:04
  I Just gave myself to Jesus that day
• 48:08
  and that was the same day that my
• 48:11
  dad Died and my dad was not a
• 48:15
  religious man and Mike to this day I
• 48:19
  pray for my dad's soul because I don't
• 48:21
  know that you know, he ever asked or
• 48:24
  begged or you know pleaded or or Wished
• 48:28
  For salvation.
• 48:30
  I don't I don't know Brother, I know
• 48:33
  about my dad.
• 48:34
  My dad was the best dude on the
• 48:36
  planet and so mine, too You know, they're
• 48:39
  mine too.
• 48:40
  No problem for Jesus, you know forgiveness and
• 48:44
  remember I grew up Mormon and so I
• 48:48
  was quite religious in my youth and I
• 48:51
  believe I've told you that I Have my
• 48:54
  own beliefs.
• 48:55
  I have my own structure and I just
• 48:59
  don't believe I need a building to to
• 49:05
  Believe those things and I don't need I
• 49:09
  get a little I To me it was
• 49:13
  always a little bit strange to see people
• 49:17
  do one thing on a Sunday and Quite
• 49:20
  something else during the week and I may
• 49:23
  be a bad person, but at least I'm
• 49:26
  consistently bad I'm not a good day on
• 49:30
  one day and bad all the rest.
• 49:32
  It's you know, maybe I'm Arguably, maybe I'm
• 49:36
  good all the time, you know, but I
• 49:37
  don't intentionally go out and screw people if
• 49:40
  I can avoid it You know, I don't
• 49:41
  do it I'm living that weather.
• 49:44
  I am literally living the life that you
• 49:46
  just described.
• 49:48
  I you know, I May have actually said
• 49:51
  that to you before if I did I
• 49:53
  apologize, but it's yeah, you're right But I
• 49:56
  don't you know, I truly don't I'm not
• 50:01
  one of those people that you know, I'm
• 50:03
  not a missionary I'm not gonna go here
• 50:05
  and there and knock on doors and do
• 50:08
  all of that Have you heard about the
• 50:11
  Mormon Mafia?
• 50:12
  You asked me that the last time we
• 50:14
  were talking.
• 50:15
  I think there's 35 35% of the
• 50:20
  FBI and CIA and whatnot this that and
• 50:23
  the other they they are Committed to the
• 50:27
  Mormon, you know, whatever you want to call
• 50:29
  it religion or it's a religion.
• 50:32
  Yeah, it's not a mafia It's a religion.
• 50:34
  Well, I don't know why that is.
• 50:37
  Do you know why that is?
• 50:38
  No, I don't know lesson When I was
• 50:43
  in the army when I was and this
• 50:45
  is after I did my active duty after
• 50:48
  active duty I was in law school in
• 50:52
  well, I lived in Dallas, Texas, and I
• 50:54
  went to Texas Wesleyan University School on Fort
• 50:58
  Worth and while I was I was still
• 51:02
  in the Army Reserve and as a linguist
• 51:07
  Yeah, I mean, you know you do your
• 51:09
  One weekend a month and then your two
• 51:12
  weeks during the year Well, guess where you
• 51:15
  went for your two-week training on a
• 51:17
  pretty regular basis if you were an interpreter
• 51:20
  or a linguist with the military the military
• 51:23
  has a School called the Defense Language Institute
• 51:26
  in in California.
• 51:29
  That's where you do your real training.
• 51:31
  They have Diplomatic level in several places They
• 51:35
  have a NATO School of Russian where I
• 51:38
  went in Garmisch-Partenkirchen Germany several times to
• 51:42
  learn specifics, but one of the best language
• 51:46
  schools on the planet is a place called
• 51:50
  The Mission Training Center and it is it's
• 51:54
  called MTC and it is for Mormon Missionaries
• 51:59
  before they go out on their door-knocking
• 52:02
  adventures all over the world They go to
• 52:05
  the Mission Training Center and as part of
• 52:09
  that Mission Training Center they have a language
• 52:11
  school because you don't get a pick, you
• 52:15
  know, you just you'll be 18-19 year
• 52:17
  old kid and you say you want to
• 52:19
  go on a mission and they go All
• 52:21
  right, you're going to I had a brother
• 52:22
  go to Thailand.
• 52:23
  I had one go to Norway one to
• 52:25
  Germany, you know brothers went went around and
• 52:29
  and had went on these missions and Learned
• 52:31
  foreign languages and when they did they went
• 52:34
  to this Mission Training Center first and this
• 52:37
  language stuff and when I was in the
• 52:39
  military the military rents for these two-week
• 52:43
  periods during the your summer training they send
• 52:47
  you to The if you want to go
• 52:50
  to a good language school don't go to
• 52:52
  Brigham Young University Mission Training Center is right
• 52:54
  nearby Everything's down in the same area.
• 52:56
  This language school is one of the best
• 52:59
  on the planet and they learn foreign language
• 53:04
  and they send you there and it is
• 53:06
  a Fast course because your missions only what
• 53:10
  two years and they give you like a
• 53:12
  month in this school to learn the language
• 53:15
  and then they ship you off to wherever
• 53:16
  you're gonna go and so you learn the
• 53:19
  language and then What better proving ground than
• 53:23
  wandering around knocking on doors in a foreign
• 53:25
  country where you only partially speak the language
• 53:28
  and Telling people about your religion It's a
• 53:31
  it's it's quite the concept and so that
• 53:35
  and when you get out of the army
• 53:38
  And you speak the language.
• 53:41
  I almost joined the FBI.
• 53:43
  I Came, you know almost ended up in
• 53:46
  New York in Brighton Beach one of the
• 53:49
  Russian areas you know of a very large
• 53:52
  Russian population there and they were recruiting heavily
• 53:55
  for for Russian speakers to come there, but
• 54:00
  another source that they get tons of people
• 54:03
  from is The Mormon because get this you
• 54:07
  don't even have to go to college You
• 54:08
  go to this MTC this mission training center
• 54:10
  before you go to college Basically, and they
• 54:13
  teach you a foreign language They send you
• 54:14
  there and you're extremely good at it because
• 54:17
  you've lived in a country for two years
• 54:19
  And so when you come back, you're basically
• 54:21
  fluent in another language, but you speak English
• 54:25
  well, because you grew up in America 99
• 54:27
  times out of a hundred and So that
• 54:31
  is why the FBN plus your Mormon, you
• 54:34
  know when you're a young Mormon You haven't
• 54:36
  done anything it you know wrong You haven't
• 54:39
  gone ahead when I had got my top
• 54:41
  -secret clearance and I was a young man
• 54:43
  And and I had gone in to get
• 54:45
  my you know, they interview you forever and
• 54:47
  go, you know So when's the last time
• 54:49
  you had a drink I said I don't
• 54:50
  drink what No, I've never had a drink.
• 54:54
  They said well, what about what about Smoking
• 54:58
  when's the last time you some isn't I
• 54:59
  never smoked and Later on do the go.
• 55:03
  So when's the last time you had a
• 55:04
  marijuana cigarette?
• 55:05
  It's like I couldn't even spell marijuana I
• 55:07
  don't don't don't do that.
• 55:08
  I never have in Guy go and then
• 55:12
  later in the conversation.
• 55:14
  They'll circle back and they go If we
• 55:16
  talk to any of the friends of yours,
• 55:18
  what would they say the last time was
• 55:21
  that you used marijuana as they go well
• 55:25
  My friends would know that I've never touched
• 55:28
  it because they know I've never touched it
• 55:30
  and they'd ask three or four times in
• 55:32
  three different ways Anyway, if you're picking up
• 55:35
  people that are gonna have top-secret clearances
• 55:37
  and most of them have spotless Backgrounds completely
• 55:41
  as young men and they haven't done anything
• 55:43
  wrong, you know, they got they just they
• 55:45
  pick them up that's why the FBI and
• 55:50
  CIA and all these are full of Mormons
• 55:55
  or former Mormons or former missionaries, whatever that
• 55:59
  have done.
• 55:59
  That's the truth So Sam, why why are
• 56:04
  we so lucky?
• 56:06
  You know just me and you know Jr
• 56:08
  And I can the people that listen to
• 56:11
  the why are we so lucky to have
• 56:12
  a guy like you that knows?
• 56:14
  So much, how did that happen?
• 56:16
  Why are you here?
• 56:18
  What is what is going on because they're
• 56:20
  the reason I'm here is because I'm really
• 56:22
  dumber than a box of rocks Because yeah,
• 56:26
  it's got to be because and and I
• 56:29
  and and and I'm a what do you
• 56:31
  want to call it?
• 56:34
  You Know what it was when I was
• 56:36
  a kid it was always oh Jesus.
• 56:38
  Do you ever take anything seriously?
• 56:40
  It's like no It's and that's not true,
• 56:46
  but it but it but it is true
• 56:47
  in a lot of respects It's like, you
• 56:49
  know, I have other people say to me
• 56:52
  when is something a big deal to you?
• 56:57
  To you when you were on KRMS on
• 57:00
  Saturdays.
• 57:02
  Yeah, you I don't know Sam trap legal
• 57:05
  show.
• 57:06
  Yeah.
• 57:06
  Yeah, there was a lot of fun That
• 57:08
  was where I that's where I ran into
• 57:10
  Jr. It was fun.
• 57:12
  Is that what it was?
• 57:13
  Yeah Well, so so during that time it
• 57:17
  was I don't know 2010 or 2012 or
• 57:20
  something like that.
• 57:21
  I was going through a lot of tumultuous
• 57:24
  shit bro tons of Some tumult, I mean
• 57:29
  it was life-changing and and I listened
• 57:32
  to you and and and Listen closely to
• 57:40
  what you had to say and then there
• 57:41
  was a show on either slightly before slightly
• 57:45
  after you talking about Talking about You Toxic
• 57:53
  relationships that it wasn't you but but you
• 57:57
  were the you were the the Middle person,
• 58:01
  you know You were the guy in between
• 58:03
  either that show or the other show and
• 58:05
  and then that's when I knew that's when
• 58:07
  I learned That's when I saw that's when
• 58:10
  my eyes were opened to what was going
• 58:13
  on in my life at that time and
• 58:15
  that's when I Decided that I cannot continue
• 58:18
  to be involved in toxic relationships and and
• 58:23
  it was just like it was life-changing
• 58:26
  rather Life-changing and I'm not saying you
• 58:30
  did it, but I'm saying that your show
• 58:32
  Got me between this that and the other
• 58:35
  and so you You are doing something that
• 58:40
  is so powerful right now, and I'm just
• 58:43
  so I I'm encouraged Well, I'm glad you
• 58:50
  are but once again, you've thrown me off
• 58:53
  my topic What were you gonna say about
• 58:55
  bullies when you called in and you asked
• 58:57
  me about you've talked to me about Tomahawks
• 58:59
  and you talked to me about so do
• 59:01
  you my thought process today was all about
• 59:04
  how the u.s. Or but we have
• 59:06
  been since at least the Soviet Union collapse.
• 59:10
  We've been nothing but bullies Everywhere on the
• 59:13
  world stage and it's continuing.
• 59:15
  So when you called in and you asked
• 59:16
  about Tomahawks, which I'm definitely against and I
• 59:20
  think the only way to end that war
• 59:22
  quickly is Defund say no.
• 59:26
  Thank you.
• 59:26
  We're out and it's over.
• 59:29
  It'll be over quickly Yeah, no bully.
• 59:32
  Yeah.
• 59:32
  No, I totally agree.
• 59:33
  So yeah back to the premise of my
• 59:36
  call We have got to stop being the
• 59:38
  bully We've got to stop being you know,
• 59:40
  and when I say we I mean the
• 59:42
  United States.
• 59:43
  Yeah, it's not me and you we're not
• 59:45
  It's our it's our idiot leaders, you know
• 59:48
  We need to step away from Being confrontational
• 59:54
  and and bullying and telling people what they
• 59:57
  will do.
• 59:57
  Nobody wants to hear it No, but do
• 59:59
  you want to be told what to do?
• 1:00:01
  Do you I don't and I don't allow
• 1:00:04
  it in my life I don't like it.
• 1:00:06
  I don't I'm not a suck-up.
• 1:00:08
  I'm not a kiss-ass I'm not one
• 1:00:10
  of those people and and you know what
• 1:00:12
  nobody likes a kiss-ass or a suck
• 1:00:14
  -up.
• 1:00:14
  Nobody likes it, but in the u.s
• 1:00:18
  foreign policy sphere It's what we demand and
• 1:00:22
  if you don't listen to us Jesus We're
• 1:00:24
  gonna blow up a bunch of boats in
• 1:00:26
  the Caribbean and and say well cheese We
• 1:00:30
  just blew up some drug runners, which may
• 1:00:32
  or may not be drug runners But you
• 1:00:34
  don't have to prove it because you blew
• 1:00:35
  them up, you know, and and then say
• 1:00:38
  well, we're gonna teach We're gonna teach that
• 1:00:40
  Maduro a lesson and Maduro's gone.
• 1:00:43
  Wait a minute.
• 1:00:43
  It's my country.
• 1:00:44
  Why don't I run them?
• 1:00:46
  Why don't I arrest them if they were
• 1:00:48
  because you're part of them?
• 1:00:49
  Oh, so so you say and even if
• 1:00:51
  I am so what?
• 1:00:55
  Not your problem, I Don't know.
• 1:00:58
  I digress a little bit, but it's but
• 1:01:00
  that's bullying dad is bullying I think the
• 1:01:04
  best thing we can do and and I'm
• 1:01:06
  just gonna you know, I don't even care,
• 1:01:09
  you know, what what what your philosophical or
• 1:01:14
  you know religious background is what we have
• 1:01:18
  to do I think as a group of
• 1:01:22
  Decent people is is learn how to get
• 1:01:25
  along, you know Not we got to learn
• 1:01:27
  not to fight Which by the way is
• 1:01:30
  what Russia India and China are saying one
• 1:01:33
  of the strongest things when I went last
• 1:01:36
  year last October when I was in Kazan
• 1:01:40
  Russia at the BRICS conference the huge news
• 1:01:44
  of the day and everybody wants to talk
• 1:01:46
  about the conflict between China and India on
• 1:01:50
  their border.
• 1:01:50
  They've had a decades-long Dispute over a
• 1:01:54
  border and in 2021 People work.
• 1:01:57
  Well, it's been well, but the big the
• 1:01:59
  latest one has only been 30 40 years
• 1:02:01
  But in 2021 it erupted again and they
• 1:02:04
  each killed a number of each other guys
• 1:02:06
  1314 people dead and they they still are
• 1:02:10
  serious tension and they wouldn't let Pakistan join
• 1:02:14
  BRICS was the big news because Pakistan was
• 1:02:17
  still in a dispute with India But in
• 1:02:20
  order for that rule to take effect Russia
• 1:02:23
  And the rest of the people in BRICS
• 1:02:26
  said to India and China that somehow They
• 1:02:29
  had to put aside that dispute of their
• 1:02:32
  border and so on the sidelines of the
• 1:02:34
  BRICS conference These people got together in Russia.
• 1:02:39
  I'm sorry Not Russia China and India on
• 1:02:42
  the sidelines of it and came to an
• 1:02:44
  agreement Between Modi and Xi Jinping both of
• 1:02:48
  whom were there and said We are going
• 1:02:52
  to resolve this.
• 1:02:53
  It's not done today, but we're gonna net
• 1:02:56
  not let that dispute dictate what happens between
• 1:03:01
  us economically because when when we as a
• 1:03:05
  group can At least talk about the positive
• 1:03:09
  things You don't have to focus on the
• 1:03:12
  one negative and since that time there's been
• 1:03:15
  no things they've made great progress I'm trying
• 1:03:17
  to come to a permanent resolution of it
• 1:03:19
  They haven't finished it yet, but they they
• 1:03:22
  they go very strong into no conflict and
• 1:03:24
  on BRICS Nobody can be in conflict with
• 1:03:27
  us with anybody else, right?
• 1:03:28
  And each one of them talks about the
• 1:03:32
  fact that just be all of them just
• 1:03:34
  because we have a dispute in This area
• 1:03:38
  Doesn't mean we have to have a dispute
• 1:03:41
  in this area just because you know I
• 1:03:44
  don't know you don't like Russia being in
• 1:03:47
  the Arctic doesn't mean you can't work with
• 1:03:50
  them to buy Fertilizer from their port in
• 1:03:53
  Sevastopol, you know what I mean?
• 1:03:55
  And and so it's not You're our enemy
• 1:03:59
  and and we say like here in America
• 1:04:03
  China bad China bad everything that China does
• 1:04:06
  is bad as a result, right or Russia
• 1:04:09
  bad Russia bad Everything the Russia does is
• 1:04:12
  bad as a result in India and many
• 1:04:15
  other countries are saying screw that We don't
• 1:04:18
  think that way and not everything you're doing
• 1:04:21
  in America, by the way is a hundred
• 1:04:24
  percent positive We like and China said our
• 1:04:28
  India says it all the time We like
• 1:04:30
  70-80% of what you're doing, but
• 1:04:32
  about 20% of it.
• 1:04:33
  We don't care for and we're not gonna
• 1:04:36
  be dictated to so I don't know there's
• 1:04:39
  and if we and And I mean we
• 1:04:43
  change our thought process People don't have to
• 1:04:46
  be our enemies and you don't have to
• 1:04:49
  pick one side If you want to call
• 1:04:52
  it one side or another because the world
• 1:04:55
  is round.
• 1:04:56
  There are no sides You know, are you
• 1:04:59
  sure the world's round or is it my
• 1:05:02
  brother was a flat-earther my oldest brother
• 1:05:04
  who passed away he was he was a
• 1:05:07
  flatter and he he was You never knew
• 1:05:11
  whether he was being dead serious about it
• 1:05:13
  or whatever, but he worked for like Perspective,
• 1:05:17
  I mean Tell you what that guy was
• 1:05:20
  so smart.
• 1:05:21
  He skipped two grades finished college at age
• 1:05:24
  20 You know, he was one of those
• 1:05:26
  guys.
• 1:05:26
  He was so valid Oh, baby, he he
• 1:05:29
  he believed that he believed some strange things
• 1:05:35
  Project blue beam.
• 1:05:36
  I looked it up while you were asking
• 1:05:39
  about it and I have not It's neither
• 1:05:45
  here nor there Sam, here's the thing, you
• 1:05:47
  know, here's the thing we have a spiritual
• 1:05:49
  connection we are Spiritual beings having a human
• 1:05:54
  experience.
• 1:05:55
  There's no doubt in my mind.
• 1:05:57
  There is no doubt about that this human
• 1:05:59
  Existence that we're all sharing a part of
• 1:06:02
  and having conversations like you and I are
• 1:06:04
  doing that is just a very very It's
• 1:06:08
  minutia.
• 1:06:08
  It's trivial.
• 1:06:09
  We are deeply spiritual beings having a very
• 1:06:14
  finite human experience and that's why I enjoy
• 1:06:17
  so much in Engaging with you and and
• 1:06:21
  just and just listening Listening to your point
• 1:06:24
  of view and JR's and Ike's and the
• 1:06:27
  guests and everything and and then to have
• 1:06:29
  this opportunity To call in and just share
• 1:06:32
  thoughts, you know, just just bounce things off
• 1:06:36
  of each other That is what is the
• 1:06:39
  critical mass man?
• 1:06:40
  We the conversation, you know The debate that
• 1:06:44
  the just to come just just the back
• 1:06:47
  -and-forth that is what makes us Beautiful
• 1:06:53
  humans and so Brother, I know I've taken
• 1:06:56
  a lot of your time and I look
• 1:06:58
  forward to taking more of your time in
• 1:06:59
  the future And I I just relish the
• 1:07:03
  opportunity I have to bounce things off of
• 1:07:05
  you Well, I appreciate it.
• 1:07:08
  Thank you for your call Yeah, you have
• 1:07:12
  a very good evening, I'll check in with
• 1:07:15
  you later brother.
• 1:07:16
  Have a good night.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah you too and There he goes Well,
• 1:07:24
  let's see here.
• 1:07:26
  We're going to we were talking about Russia
• 1:07:29
  India Let's talk about this.
• 1:07:33
  We had almost finished with the Russia on
• 1:07:36
  More recently the bullying Russia's leadership is parallel
• 1:07:42
  parallels us trying to control it with bully
• 1:07:45
  and They're aligning with China more to counter
• 1:07:49
  the didn't so these are dual containment strategies,
• 1:07:52
  right?
• 1:07:53
  Russia condemns u.s. Military action around Venezuela
• 1:07:57
  calls it overreach and interference and even in
• 1:08:00
  the Western Hemisphere and You know, they say
• 1:08:04
  it's overstepping to go blowing Crap up with
• 1:08:08
  zero proof.
• 1:08:09
  I happen to agree with that But I
• 1:08:12
  had the idea first and I just saw
• 1:08:14
  some Peskov Lavrov Was a hot of a
• 1:08:21
  say some things but if we go let's
• 1:08:23
  let's go back to India India is a
• 1:08:25
  gold mine for this kind of the anti
• 1:08:28
  -bullying stuff Because it is shifted since post
• 1:08:31
  -cold war from strict non-alignment towards a
• 1:08:35
  They're calling it Multi-alignment posture and it
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  makes it clear every time Don't lecture me.
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  Don't push me around or I Will join
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  someone else's orbit and not yours, but quit
• 1:08:51
  lecturing me.
• 1:08:52
  We have things in common We have things
• 1:08:55
  we don't have in common think about the
• 1:08:57
  trade in energy pressure about Russian oil They've
• 1:09:01
  been yelling at India since 2022 But even
• 1:09:04
  if they are doing what they call transhipment,
• 1:09:07
  which is India buys it For a lower
• 1:09:10
  price and then makes a little money off
• 1:09:12
  it selling it to the US and to
• 1:09:15
  Europe They're doing it And now the US
• 1:09:20
  wants to go, you know They're threatening to
• 1:09:22
  125 percent tariffs on Indian goods and less
• 1:09:26
  India cuts back on Russian oil India responds
• 1:09:29
  by rejecting pressure and saying, you know, what
• 1:09:32
  we'll make our own strategic decisions and They
• 1:09:35
  firmly rejected that back in August.
• 1:09:38
  Remember that it's direct pushback Don't tell us
• 1:09:41
  what we must do and Jaishankar always has
• 1:09:45
  red lines, you know He's the external affairs
• 1:09:49
  minister He repeatedly says in talks with the
• 1:09:53
  that with the US The India has its
• 1:09:56
  own bottom lines that have to be respected
• 1:09:58
  for instance during US and India trade negotiations
• 1:10:03
  He said repeatedly India will not abandon its
• 1:10:07
  own core interests and then recently he said
• 1:10:11
  something about Trump He said India This was
• 1:10:15
  funny, he said India wants partners not preachers,
• 1:10:19
  you know rejecting the tone from the u
• 1:10:21
  .s That you know the you or that
• 1:10:24
  New Delhi needs to be lectured to you
• 1:10:26
  know They aren't putting up with it anymore
• 1:10:28
  and neither is the rest of the world,
• 1:10:30
  right?
• 1:10:31
  He rejected or they India rejected the US
• 1:10:34
  human rights and religious freedom stuff in 2024
• 1:10:38
  India formally rejected a US State Department report
• 1:10:42
  on Religious freedom and that called it deeply
• 1:10:45
  biased and said it was trying to interfere
• 1:10:48
  in their own internal affairs It's a diplomatic
• 1:10:53
  rebuttal, but You know and they said, you
• 1:10:55
  know quit telling us what to do.
• 1:10:57
  Do you don't you're not our morality police,
• 1:11:00
  you know and What are you doing?
• 1:11:04
  Doing Doing a State Department report on who
• 1:11:09
  cares about religious and I don't mean this
• 1:11:12
  there are people that care about it But
• 1:11:14
  why is the government paying?
• 1:11:16
  US State Department for report on religious freedom
• 1:11:20
  in India who gives a rip, you know
• 1:11:22
  That's that's that's why or why do we
• 1:11:25
  get to preach this and I'm not saying
• 1:11:27
  who gives a rip Do I want religious
• 1:11:29
  freedom everywhere because we have it here Of
• 1:11:32
  course I do But that does that mean
• 1:11:34
  I'm gonna have somebody pay a million bucks
• 1:11:36
  to get a report from the State Department
• 1:11:38
  That takes 20 guys and 10 in 20
• 1:11:41
  weeks to freaking right and I made those
• 1:11:44
  numbers up just so you know So somebody
• 1:11:46
  didn't come back and go dreams.
• 1:11:47
  He's making stuff up I did make that
• 1:11:49
  up, but I'm saying it for a for
• 1:11:51
  a point Whatever the amount of dollars is
• 1:11:54
  if it's 10 bucks or 10 million, it's
• 1:11:57
  a waste who down needs it What are
• 1:12:00
  you gonna do use it to lecture India
• 1:12:02
  and say cheers you really should be a
• 1:12:04
  little more Have a little more freedom of
• 1:12:07
  religion Once more we get to dictate what
• 1:12:11
  other countries Will do in their own country
• 1:12:15
  Every cut, you know member member you ever
• 1:12:18
  watched those shows that about England When they
• 1:12:23
  were on the colonial make the world England
• 1:12:26
  remember that make the world Britain remember that
• 1:12:28
  They would talk about in some of those
• 1:12:30
  shows.
• 1:12:31
  Well, are we any different, you know?
• 1:12:34
  Oh, geez, our democracy is the greatest in
• 1:12:36
  the world.
• 1:12:37
  Is it?
• 1:12:39
  Do I mean I?
• 1:12:41
  appreciate our democracy in in theory in practice
• 1:12:46
  Maybe not so much.
• 1:12:48
  You know, you end up with idiots like
• 1:12:50
  like well, let's not go there, but It's
• 1:12:54
  manipulated no doubt but is it is is
• 1:12:58
  this is it the system or is the
• 1:13:00
  way the system has Corrupted itself over that
• 1:13:04
  over the days But but my point is
• 1:13:06
  who are we to lecture another country on
• 1:13:11
  their you know?
• 1:13:12
  Strategic neutrality you must be neutral and not
• 1:13:16
  Or your strategic non neutrality.
• 1:13:19
  You must be non neutral and join us
• 1:13:22
  in the u.s India you got to
• 1:13:24
  condemn Russia in India says when many Western
• 1:13:28
  states want Oh, you know you guys want
• 1:13:31
  sweeping condemnation of Russia We refuse We're not
• 1:13:35
  going to align with you just because you
• 1:13:38
  want something different.
• 1:13:39
  We've not had those Historic problems with Russia
• 1:13:44
  India and Russia have been partners it during
• 1:13:47
  the Soviet Union times to um Do you
• 1:13:50
  know a couple of weeks ago?
• 1:13:51
  They had joint?
• 1:13:53
  Military exercises they did them in Belarus to
• 1:13:56
  remember that story I told you about that
• 1:13:58
  several weeks ago when the u.s. And
• 1:14:00
  the Russia were having You know the u
• 1:14:02
  .s. Had NATO sides and India is like
• 1:14:04
  why are you condemning us?
• 1:14:06
  US which they were you know, they all
• 1:14:09
  the news was reporting about how India had
• 1:14:12
  67 soldiers there and so what they do
• 1:14:15
  they showed on their own TV that there
• 1:14:17
  was about 25 u.s. Soldiers that were
• 1:14:21
  sent across the border from and the NATO
• 1:14:24
  thing that went across and and met with
• 1:14:27
  the opposing forces To me, I mean they
• 1:14:31
  were called for review They invited him and
• 1:14:34
  they went but the only people that got
• 1:14:35
  condemned for it were India, right?
• 1:14:38
  And so that's some more put is that
• 1:14:40
  that bullying?
• 1:14:41
  Let's go to China China pushing back in
• 1:14:45
  its own way when I just said that
• 1:14:47
  let's go to China.
• 1:14:48
  I got to thinking I should go to
• 1:14:49
  China Do you know why China no longer
• 1:14:52
  requires Americans to have a visa?
• 1:14:54
  Did you know that?
• 1:14:55
  You can now just get in a plane
• 1:14:57
  fly to China get admitted at the border
• 1:14:59
  or at the airport You get admitted stamp
• 1:15:02
  just like it is you're going to Mexico
• 1:15:04
  good stuff mannered and in many other countries
• 1:15:08
  allegedly Europe has changed the only I went
• 1:15:12
  to like I told you I was in
• 1:15:13
  last month in Belarus Lithuania and Turkey and
• 1:15:17
  Istanbul and those don't have any you know,
• 1:15:20
  I I needed a visa for Belarus But
• 1:15:22
  it's the same one that I have for
• 1:15:24
  Russia So Belarus and Russia share them if
• 1:15:26
  you have one for Russia, you got one
• 1:15:28
  for Belarus and I think vice versa, but
• 1:15:31
  I'm not positive of that, but my Russia
• 1:15:33
  my visa is a Russian visa and so
• 1:15:37
  You still got to have a visa as
• 1:15:39
  an American get into Russia and Belarus But
• 1:15:41
  you don't need one to get into China
• 1:15:43
  anymore.
• 1:15:44
  How about that?
• 1:15:45
  That's kind of cool, isn't it?
• 1:15:47
  anyway China has always been pretty blunt on
• 1:15:49
  u.s. Rhetoric and bullying and they don't
• 1:15:53
  like Unilateral sanctions and they've ignored quite a
• 1:15:56
  bit of them.
• 1:15:57
  China frequently labels u.s. Sanctions is illegal
• 1:16:01
  coercive Unilateral they accuse along with Russian India
• 1:16:06
  and me accuse Washington of double standards Which
• 1:16:11
  is my biggest problem if you got rules
• 1:16:15
  there to apply to everybody right, but they
• 1:16:17
  never do So when the u.s. Impose
• 1:16:20
  sanctions on Chinese firms tied to Russia's Wagner
• 1:16:24
  Group China reject rejected them as bullying said
• 1:16:27
  we don't put up with bullying in Regular
• 1:16:30
  press briefings Chinese officials call u.s. Actions
• 1:16:34
  economic coercion that threatened global trade They strategically
• 1:16:40
  of course aligned with Russia and they to
• 1:16:42
  call it a counter containment narrative in 2025
• 1:16:45
  Xi Jinping Xi Xi Jinping and Putin pledged
• 1:16:49
  to counter Unilateralism and bullying that was in
• 1:16:53
  the recent meetings at the Shanghai cooperation organization
• 1:16:56
  China frames a cooperation with Russia as resisting
• 1:17:00
  u.s. Encirclement and containment strategies China supports
• 1:17:06
  Venezuela and has warned the u.s. Against
• 1:17:08
  bullying behavior in the hemisphere They do not
• 1:17:12
  endorse Western narrative on Ukraine While obviously China
• 1:17:17
  doesn't support the invasion if they want to
• 1:17:20
  call it that it's not an invasion but
• 1:17:22
  in support what Russia is doing in Completely
• 1:17:26
  it has resisted alignment with u.s. Positions
• 1:17:30
  Beijing avoids endorsing sanctions and resists, you know
• 1:17:35
  insists on no x escalation no Expansion don't
• 1:17:41
  add fuel to the fire that push posture
• 1:17:44
  itself is a buffer against u.s. Pressure
• 1:17:47
  to isolate Russia Western legislation, how about economic
• 1:17:53
  autonomy?
• 1:17:54
  When u.s. Legislation or action attempts to
• 1:17:57
  limit China's access to technology or markets China
• 1:18:04
  regularly frames those acts as bullying that violate
• 1:18:08
  free trade norms or sovereignty of states and
• 1:18:12
  they're repeated you get these all the time
• 1:18:15
  and China condemns the u.s. For imposing
• 1:18:19
  what it considers Illegal sanctions blah blah, let's
• 1:18:23
  go to Venezuela.
• 1:18:24
  So this is in our hemisphere, right?
• 1:18:28
  There Venezuela is getting support from both China
• 1:18:31
  and Russia, so if you want to you
• 1:18:34
  know, put push Venezuela into Whatever, you know,
• 1:18:39
  maybe that reporter that was interviewing Jai Shankar
• 1:18:42
  should come back and say you know, there's
• 1:18:45
  only two sides to the world and One's
• 1:18:49
  the u.s. And one's China, but China
• 1:18:52
  and Russia are backing Venezuela Diplomatically, they're criticizing
• 1:18:56
  u.s. Intervention and sanctions as bullying in
• 1:18:59
  2019 u.s. Demanded I'm sorry, China demanded
• 1:19:04
  that the u.s. Stop its suppressive behavior
• 1:19:07
  toward Venezuela and It's that's been going on
• 1:19:11
  forever.
• 1:19:11
  We've been pushing them and trying to Get
• 1:19:15
  some somebody favorable to the u.s. Instead
• 1:19:19
  Russia routinely protests u.s. Actions in the
• 1:19:22
  Caribbean as meddling in sovereignty of other nations
• 1:19:27
  Venezuela under Maduro Has positioned itself as a
• 1:19:32
  victim of u.s. Sanctions Because they trade
• 1:19:37
  with Russia and China and so they get
• 1:19:38
  sanctioned as well They frame u.s. Efforts
• 1:19:41
  as economic warfare just like China and Russia
• 1:19:44
  say and they appealed to the rest of
• 1:19:47
  Latin America to Create some kind of a
• 1:19:51
  global solidarity, right?
• 1:19:56
  Basically what America is very good at is
• 1:20:01
  creating this rhetoric both through our Our Politicians
• 1:20:07
  if you want to call them that through
• 1:20:09
  our State Department through all of our Government
• 1:20:12
  employees they get big fat bait paychecks and
• 1:20:15
  lots of benefits and do very little but
• 1:20:19
  boy, they're paid well, right and We got
• 1:20:23
  to make sure they're paid well because they
• 1:20:25
  have a tough life, right?
• 1:20:27
  But they're all very good at as our
• 1:20:31
  our media Counterparts, you know their media counterparts
• 1:20:35
  in the West rhetoric as a weapon you
• 1:20:40
  get to Call people bad people.
• 1:20:43
  They all have something like I've talked about
• 1:20:46
  a few times before Russia invasion of Ukraine
• 1:20:53
  They don't see it that way They say
• 1:20:56
  they are were invited by two new Russian
• 1:21:04
  Regions that wished to Be part of Russia
• 1:21:09
  and that they had their referenda US can
• 1:21:14
  have referenda wherever it wants if they wish
• 1:21:16
  to say that a referenda occurred in Kosovo
• 1:21:19
  or Czechoslovakia Or any of Serbia who cares
• 1:21:22
  any place where the u.s. Says it
• 1:21:24
  is You don't mean have anything except one
• 1:21:28
  u.s. Person say oh, yeah sounds like
• 1:21:31
  a good idea to me I'm sure their
• 1:21:33
  referendum was totally legal But and if something
• 1:21:38
  happens like that in any other location in
• 1:21:41
  the u.s. Decides hey, that's not a
• 1:21:44
  good idea Then it's no good and only
• 1:21:48
  the u.s. Gets to say that so
• 1:21:50
  double standards everywhere So our our politicians and
• 1:22:01
  Media are extremely good at using rhetoric as
• 1:22:04
  a weapon But a lot of the world
• 1:22:06
  is turned to a don't lecture me sort
• 1:22:09
  of thing Strategic autonomy countries are beginning to
• 1:22:12
  emphasize like India.
• 1:22:14
  They're learning from India They're learning from bricks.
• 1:22:17
  We make our own choices.
• 1:22:20
  It's a recurring motif over the last 15
• 1:22:23
  16 years it that bricks has been around
• 1:22:26
  well and before that too but it's becoming
• 1:22:29
  more and more and the more you try
• 1:22:31
  to force them to comply The more likely
• 1:22:35
  they're going to say things like this and
• 1:22:37
  more people Did you hear Jay Shankar when
• 1:22:39
  I played that piece for you that said
• 1:22:41
  there were another 27 37 people that wish
• 1:22:44
  to join?
• 1:22:45
  the bricks block when we were in Kazan
• 1:22:49
  last year, there's still people applying and more
• 1:22:53
  people joining so The bullying part isn't working
• 1:22:59
  don't join that bricks boy We're gonna we're
• 1:23:01
  gonna break that up so alternative alliances are
• 1:23:05
  building everywhere Not just bricks, but several more
• 1:23:08
  they're counting the u.s..
• 1:23:10
  By aligning with each other or forming their
• 1:23:13
  own Regional or local blocks China Russia Russia
• 1:23:18
  Venezuela Etc to reduce u.s..
• 1:23:21
  Leverage sovereignty and non-interference pushback often talked
• 1:23:26
  about u.s..
• 1:23:28
  Pressure violates my sovereignty I told you about
• 1:23:31
  that with that guy from Burkina Faso And
• 1:23:34
  what he was saying you're not stealing all
• 1:23:36
  our gold anymore France or the u.s.
• 1:23:39
  Or anybody else you guys have been robbing
• 1:23:41
  us for years We don't like it.
• 1:23:44
  We are sovereign quit meddling and dictating Morality
• 1:23:49
  to us or imposing sanctions upon us.
• 1:23:53
  We'll just use a different a different Organization,
• 1:23:58
  how do you like them apples and so
• 1:24:00
  that's that's what a lot of the world
• 1:24:02
  is telling us these days right I mean,
• 1:24:07
  let's let's go back into the 90s and
• 1:24:09
  have a quick a quick review 1993 the
• 1:24:13
  yin-Yi incident China vs.
• 1:24:15
  Us us alleged Chinese ship yin-Yi was
• 1:24:18
  carrying chemical weapons To Iran and blocked it
• 1:24:22
  from ports and then impaired its GPS navigation
• 1:24:26
  Leaving it stranded for 24 days before forcing
• 1:24:31
  an inspection and China denied the allegations called
• 1:24:36
  the u.s..
• 1:24:36
  Overreach 1994 China began pushing for its own
• 1:24:41
  GPS alternative Partly in reaction to episodes like
• 1:24:45
  the yin-Yi where u.s. GPS signals
• 1:24:48
  are manipulated, and they perceive technology control China
• 1:24:52
  developed its own They do satellite navigation as
• 1:24:57
  its sovereign response So the u.s..
• 1:25:00
  Could have had just one GPS worldwide But
• 1:25:05
  nope we got to control it so China
• 1:25:07
  built one now many other people have built
• 1:25:09
  their own GPS systems Russia's got their own
• 1:25:12
  I believe India has their own too, but
• 1:25:15
  I don't remember the name of it Asian
• 1:25:18
  finance crisis IMF and u.s. Leverage from
• 1:25:22
  1995 to 2000 many Asian states Thailand Indonesia
• 1:25:26
  South Korea were forced to structural adjustment packages
• 1:25:33
  Under the IMF which is run by the
• 1:25:35
  u.s..
• 1:25:35
  And all the West some governments like Indonesia
• 1:25:38
  Another reason they're with bricks is because of
• 1:25:42
  economic bullying They resisted the terms said that
• 1:25:46
  Washington is overreaching systematic pushback this is this
• 1:25:51
  is Lots of countries over there.
• 1:25:53
  Here's what you're gonna do so the IMF
• 1:25:56
  because they want to control the money and
• 1:25:58
  And they want to control whether you get
• 1:26:01
  any money from the IMF or the World
• 1:26:04
  Bank People don't like it.
• 1:26:06
  So where do they do they find alternatives,
• 1:26:09
  and they're doing it more and more u
• 1:26:12
  .s..
• 1:26:12
  NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and Kosovo no Security
• 1:26:16
  Council authorization u.s..
• 1:26:18
  And NATO bomb Serbs Russia China India all
• 1:26:23
  say this is the u.s..
• 1:26:24
  Setting a dangerous precedent of humanitarian intervention as
• 1:26:29
  a cover for power to steal to take
• 1:26:32
  stuff and It's still that way Kosovo's a
• 1:26:37
  mess and and we're still you know milking
• 1:26:41
  it for what it can you know Contractors
• 1:26:45
  gee wonder if there's any Western contractors still
• 1:26:48
  there Two thousands u.s..
• 1:26:50
  Invaded Afghanistan build a narrative global war on
• 1:26:54
  terror, but several Countries don't want to be
• 1:26:58
  in Pakistan also pushes to limit u.s..
• 1:27:01
  Bases and influence Iran accused Washington of hypocrisy
• 1:27:05
  and bullying Gee there's a surprise 2003 u
• 1:27:10
  .s..
• 1:27:10
  Invasion of Iraq.
• 1:27:12
  This is a big one many countries France
• 1:27:13
  Germany Russia China India Opposed or refused to
• 1:27:17
  join u.s..
• 1:27:18
  Tried to pressure its allies many were many
• 1:27:21
  many of them at the time We're not
• 1:27:24
  happy with this And they were but they
• 1:27:27
  were told they must support the mission right
• 1:27:30
  and most of them complied 2004 2006 Latin
• 1:27:34
  America alternatives the u.s..
• 1:27:36
  Dominant Dominance are being built over there Hugo
• 1:27:40
  Chavez American Latin American leaders build other blocks
• 1:27:45
  like Alba Unicef to counterbalance u.s..
• 1:27:48
  Influence Reject u.s..
• 1:27:50
  Dictation.
• 1:27:50
  They want their free trade and debt rules.
• 1:27:53
  They don't want to be told how they
• 1:27:54
  will Take care of debt especially from us
• 1:27:58
  What are the worst That we're gonna tell
• 1:28:02
  people how their debt is Brazil South America
• 1:28:06
  and Doha u.s..
• 1:28:07
  Agricultural pressure the Brazil says you know They
• 1:28:15
  Don't want to open their agricultural markets because
• 1:28:19
  Washington is protectionist and has hypocrisy they don't
• 1:28:23
  open there's not to everybody and in 2007
• 1:28:26
  2008 Russia's energy politics and gas supply to
• 1:28:30
  Europe way back then Russia was using gas
• 1:28:33
  export control as leverage over Europe Is what
• 1:28:38
  you know the u.s.? Was telling us
• 1:28:40
  you know you can't you can't tell us
• 1:28:44
  America wanted to get into business with it
• 1:28:46
  all and send our own gas so anyway
• 1:28:48
  I don't have much more time on the
• 1:28:51
  show I really wanted to get into this
• 1:28:53
  on the ride this morning Or you know
• 1:28:56
  when when I was in my car, and
• 1:28:58
  then I had some chance to do a
• 1:29:00
  little bit of research on it but it's
• 1:29:02
  I Think the time for bullying and telling
• 1:29:06
  people what they will do around the world
• 1:29:08
  is just wrong Diplomacy is the sharing of
• 1:29:12
  ideas to share I mean, maybe somebody has
• 1:29:15
  a better way than us, but we don't
• 1:29:18
  look at it that way It's always we
• 1:29:20
  dictate and we tell people what they're gonna
• 1:29:22
  do well.
• 1:29:24
  I gotta wrap it up This is Samuel
• 1:29:25
  trap you have been listening to International flavor
• 1:29:29
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• 1:29:32
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• 1:29:33
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• 1:29:36
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• 1:29:39
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• 1:29:40
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