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Credlin | 12 February · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: filling in for Peter Kredlin.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Another escalation in the rampant anti Semitic attacks with two
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales nurses boasting about killing Israeli patients. That
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  Speaker 2: is how confident some people feel to expose their racism
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  Speaker 2: in this country. Right now, tariff war heats up with
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  Speaker 2: the government left scrambling.
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  Speaker 3: Now they'll try to claim this would be a disaster
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  Speaker 3: for Australian industries. Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: The government's done more to damage industry in this country
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  Speaker 2: than Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Evil will more on that soon.
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  Speaker 2: Plus get ready for a hung parliament with the PM
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  Speaker 2: desperately rolling out the red carpet for the Tiffany Teals.
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  Speaker 2: The other term of labor would be one thing, but
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  Speaker 2: power sharing with the Teals now that's a worry and
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  Speaker 2: it could be the penultimate sitting day for this term
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  Speaker 2: of government. And again the government is under pressure over.
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  Speaker 3: Its handling of anti Semitism. Prime Minister to the Australian
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  Speaker 3: Jewish community is living in fear. How did the country
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  Speaker 3: get to this point the comments of vile.
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  Speaker 4: The footage is sickney and it is shameful.
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  Speaker 2: And that footage that he's talking about that we saw
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  Speaker 2: today have two nurses in New South Wales saying that
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  Speaker 2: kill Israeli patience was about as shocking as it gets.
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  Speaker 2: If you haven't already seen it here it is in full.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I said, I'm going to be really
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  Speaker 5: honest with you. All right, I'm going to be really
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  Speaker 5: honest with you. You actually got a really really beautiful eyes.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. But I'm so upset that Israeli like eventually
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  Speaker 5: you're going to get killed and you're to go to Jehanna.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it's pretty honest should say in this
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  Speaker 5: world for longer.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think?
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  Speaker 5: Why do you think I'm going to get killed?
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  Speaker 6: It's Palistin's country, not a one one day. One day,
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  Speaker 6: time will come and you will die the most.
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  Speaker 3: We spread this to me, Listen to me and comes.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doctors?
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  Speaker 6: I want you to remember.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, I have a question.
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  Speaker 1: Though, all right, all right, for sure, I have a
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  Speaker 1: question though.
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  Speaker 7: I have a question.
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  Speaker 5: Let's say let's say an Israeli.
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  Speaker 3: God forbid them. I won't treat them or kill them.
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  Speaker 1: You'll kill them.
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  Speaker 5: So if an Israeli is in Australia and that's what
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  Speaker 5: something happened to him, and he comes to your hospital, would.
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  Speaker 7: You kill him?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli A dog
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  Speaker 5: came to this hospital and.
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  Speaker 2: A woman in a head scarf, presumably Muslim, saying I
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  Speaker 2: won't treat them, I'll kill them. An Arabic man, also
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  Speaker 2: presumably Muslim, drawing his finger across his neck and saying
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  Speaker 2: that he has seent Israeli patients dogs. He calls them
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  Speaker 2: to the Islamic version of Hell. Now I should know
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  Speaker 2: that front that there haven't been any records found of
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  Speaker 2: any Israeli patient dying under this man or woman's care.
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  Speaker 2: So it's fair to assume that what they said there
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  Speaker 2: was hyperbole. But the fact that anyone, let alone someone
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  Speaker 2: employed by the state government, sitting there in their scrubs,
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  Speaker 2: would feel comfortable to say such a thing on the
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  Speaker 2: Internet with their full face on display, proves not just
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  Speaker 2: how deep these no religious hatreds are, but how comfortable
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  Speaker 2: anti Semites feel to express their beliefs.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, there.
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  Speaker 2: Is not a hint of shame in their words, no
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  Speaker 2: sense that, oh heck, maybe I shouldn't be saying this
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  Speaker 2: stuff out loud, no concept that there could be consequences
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  Speaker 2: for saying such things.
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  Speaker 3: They have grins on their faces as they say it.
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  Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph tracked down the mail nurse today Ahmad
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  Speaker 2: Rashad Nadia. He told the paper that quote it was
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  Speaker 2: a joke of misunderstanding. I will use social media anything
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  Speaker 2: to apologize, but I need to go and see.
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  Speaker 3: The detectives first.
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  Speaker 2: He said he'd apologize to the Jewish community and anyone
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  Speaker 2: I've offended, and that it quote wasn't meant to be
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  Speaker 2: like this translation. I wasn't meant to be shared with
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the world. What I said was not
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  Speaker 2: meant to be shared with the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who works as a nurse, or is anything
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  Speaker 2: in the field of medicine for that matter, and jokes
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  Speaker 2: online about killing patients because of their nationality.
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  Speaker 3: That's not a joke.
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  Speaker 2: That is a deep seated hatred that you were stupid
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  Speaker 2: enough to reveal to the rest of the world. You're
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  Speaker 2: not sorry you said it, You're sorry you were caught.
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  Speaker 2: And the woman Sarah Abu Lebda a man saying that
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  Speaker 2: he was. Her uncle told the Telegraph that she was
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  Speaker 2: having a panic attack and he thought they'd have to
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  Speaker 2: call an ambulance. The Australians le Mendez paid them a
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  Speaker 2: visit this afternoon and he was treated to this rob Now,
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  Speaker 2: what do you have to say about the allegation.
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  Speaker 1: Ver walking towards the faith?
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  Speaker 2: Nate mate mate?
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  Speaker 8: Right, Okay, I need my phone back.
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  Speaker 3: What has happened.
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  Speaker 9: I don't understand what's happened. I haven't been able to
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  Speaker 9: talk to us. She's in a freaking extreme panic attack
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  Speaker 9: at the prison time. I'm trying to calm it down
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  Speaker 9: to see what She's been a nurse for. God knows
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  Speaker 9: how long She's never done anything to hurt anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Don't they seem like charming people? And how ironic that
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  Speaker 2: a woman who said she'd refuse someone treatment and kill
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  Speaker 2: them on the basis of their nationality needs the help
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  Speaker 2: of the healthcare system as soon as her beliefs come
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  Speaker 2: to light. She'd better hope the paramedics who rock up
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  Speaker 2: aren't as racist as she is. I mean, if I
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  Speaker 2: were a nurse and I said I'd kill and refuse
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  Speaker 2: to treat a Muslim patient, I wouldn't just feel bad,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be genuinely worried for my life. This shows just
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  Speaker 2: how complacent we have become about the scourge of anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: We all know there are racist people in the world,
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  Speaker 2: but even most people who are racist don't feel comme
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  Speaker 2: to talking publicly about how they really feel because they
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  Speaker 2: fear the consequences of their speech. These two clearly didn't
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  Speaker 2: fear the consequences of their speech.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't think they were doing anything wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And if you look around the country as synagogue's being
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  Speaker 2: firebombed and vandalized, and homes being attacked, and a federal
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  Speaker 2: government that's tiptoed around the issue for more than a year,
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  Speaker 2: that it's not hard to understand how they might come
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  Speaker 2: to that conclusion. I mean, let's be clear, anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: is not new. It has existed for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and we've probably imported more of it into this country.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a moment. But a lot
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  Speaker 2: of anti Semites saw people with anti Semitic undertones who
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  Speaker 2: previously wouldn't have said anything, now feel like they can
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  Speaker 2: because they think there's strength in numbers, which brings me
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  Speaker 2: to another important point. Nadir was born in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 3: He moved to.
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  Speaker 2: Australia when he was twelve and he became an Australian
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  Speaker 2: citizen four years ago. He lives in Bankstown in Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: and he and Lebda worked at Bankstown Hospital. This is
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  Speaker 2: an area where the top ancestry is Lebanese sixteen point
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  Speaker 2: eight percent of the population compared to two point two
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  Speaker 2: percent of the New South Wales population. Nearly two thirds
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  Speaker 2: of the population have two parents born overseas sixty two
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  Speaker 2: point nine percent. Less than a fifth have two parents
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  Speaker 2: born in Australia. The top religion is Islam twenty five
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  Speaker 2: point six percent of the population, compared to four point
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  Speaker 2: three percent of New South Wales. The top language spoken
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  Speaker 2: at home other than English is Arabic twenty one point
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  Speaker 2: two percent compared to two point eight percent of New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Every Muslim or every Arab who lives in Bankstown is
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  Speaker 2: an anti Semite would agree with what Nadir and Lebda said,
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  Speaker 2: but meanwhis we must sorry think very carefully about importing
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  Speaker 2: cultures that are anathema to ours. I mean here we
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  Speaker 2: have a man who is able to move here from Afghanistan,
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  Speaker 2: as a kid. We even made him a citizen of
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  Speaker 2: our country and gave him a publicly funded job. And
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  Speaker 2: even after all that Australia has done for him, he
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  Speaker 2: is importing ancient and foreign hatreds to this country and
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  Speaker 2: letting it. However joking he may say, it was affect
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  Speaker 2: the way that he looks after patients in Australia. When
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  Speaker 2: you import foreign cultures that have different values to us,
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  Speaker 2: and you tell people from those cultures that they're free
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  Speaker 2: to express them here, then you end up with division
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  Speaker 2: and disharmony, especially when you allow all those people to
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  Speaker 2: live in one place. I talked about strength in numbers before. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if you're an Arabic person who, for obvious ethno religious
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  Speaker 2: reasons is more likely to have a problem with Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and you live in a community that is largely Arabic,
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  Speaker 2: and you work in a community that is largely Arabic,
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  Speaker 2: than is it any wonder that you might feel comfortable
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  Speaker 2: to say these things. We have brought anti Semitism to
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  Speaker 2: this country that never needed to be here. And if
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  Speaker 2: you change the population enough, then you can change the
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  Speaker 2: culture of a country. Just look at England and Wales
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  Speaker 2: with a top name for boys is now Muhammad. It's
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  Speaker 2: all good and well to say that division has been
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  Speaker 2: sown since October the seventh, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: And it has.
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  Speaker 2: It's all good and well to say that the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister has allowed that division to flourish through in action,
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  Speaker 2: and he has. But this is a much bigger, much
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  Speaker 2: longer running issue than just alban Easy being weak on
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism and then suddenly the country is full of
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  Speaker 2: anti Semites. This has been brewing for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: building bit by bit, until one day you get two
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  Speaker 2: nurses saying what they said in that video. This isn't
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  Speaker 2: just about people being anti Semitic. It's about cultures that
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  Speaker 2: have for far too long gone unchecked and we're starting
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  Speaker 2: to see the consequences. Let's head to Canberra now for
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  Speaker 2: tonight's political Headlines with Jane's political reporter Reuben Spargo.
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  Speaker 1: Australia is being accused of killing the United States aluminium market.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: Trump's trade advisor made the comments a day after the
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: President signed executive orders for import tariffs on some metals.
• 10:14
  Speaker 8: What they do is they just flood our markets after
• 10:19
  Speaker 8: Biden led them, gave them an agreement.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister remains hopeful an exemption deal can be done.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: President Trump gave a very clear signal yesterday.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: The steel and Aluminium tax will take effects from March twelve.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Labour is promising to acquire Rex Airlines if a buyer
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: cannot be found. The service was placed into administration last year.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: The Government is currently supporting Rex with an eighty million
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: dollar loan.
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  Speaker 10: We're determined to make sure that regional communities are not
• 10:50
  Speaker 10: left behind.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: In their second attempt. Administrators have until the end of
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: June to find a buyer. The Coalition say the government
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: shouldn't own airlines.
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: Will the Prime Minister rule out of pointing his close
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: friend Alan Joyce, the CEO of the new Elbow air and.
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  Speaker 11: That show just how seriously they take regional Australia.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister has hosted cross Bench members for drinks
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: at the Lodge. It's in anticipation of the prospects Anthony
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: ABERNIZI may have to break her a deal with Teal
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  Speaker 1: and Independent MPs.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Ryan, what do you have to discuss tonight with
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  Speaker 3: the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: Future plans?
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  Speaker 12: It's a respectful invitation and may moth we're lay late all.
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  Speaker 1: Reuben Spargo, Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 3: Plenty to get through today.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me in our Sky News host and national affairs
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  Speaker 2: editor at the Daily Telegraph, James Morrow and Daily Telegraph
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  Speaker 2: journalist James Willis, who's on the desk with me here.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start, of course, with this disgraceful story out of Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: the two health workers telling a social media influencer out
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  Speaker 2: of Israel that they refuse to treat Israeli patients.
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  Speaker 3: The New South Wales Health Minister Ryan Park.
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  Speaker 2: Said today that the nurses had been sacked they would
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  Speaker 2: never work for newsw South Wales. Sorry health again, fair enough,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean we've come to a point here, James Willis,
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  Speaker 2: where you have two people who actually feel comfortable to
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  Speaker 2: say this out loud online, in the full knowledge that
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  Speaker 2: it may well be recorded and then posted online. And
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  Speaker 2: then they try to say, oh, it was a joke.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was a joke. I think they
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  Speaker 2: actually just felt emboldened, given what's going on in the
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  Speaker 2: country right now, that they could say this stuff.
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  Speaker 11: No, certainly in isolation, no one is laughing at this.
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  Speaker 11: People saying it was a joke after the fact that
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  Speaker 11: an offensive remark.
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  Speaker 3: Is just rubbish.
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  Speaker 11: I think this is a really really sad and awful case, Caleb,
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  Speaker 11: where in this case, one of the people involved in
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  Speaker 11: this has previously spoken about how he was an Afghan refugee,
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  Speaker 11: he was given a new life, he came to Australia,
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  Speaker 11: came into the healthcare system, was given a job, and
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  Speaker 11: for someone to be speaking in this way and making
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  Speaker 11: it so obviously a part of the health system is
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  Speaker 11: just disgusting. And I also think it's another example of
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  Speaker 11: what people are sick of where we have this beautiful
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  Speaker 11: country in Australia. We're so lucky to live here. For
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  Speaker 11: anyone that is invited.
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  Speaker 3: Here or accepted here to live, whether.
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  Speaker 11: They be a refugee or a migrant or anything else,
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  Speaker 11: you leave the hate at the door, leave it at
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  Speaker 11: the door, and you move on and you accept what
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  Speaker 11: Australia is all about. And for people to be speaking
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  Speaker 11: like this given everything that's gone on, is just horrific.
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  Speaker 11: And I applaud the New South Wales Health System for
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  Speaker 11: taking the action they have today.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, and this is the point I made before James Morrow,
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  Speaker 2: that you know, you import cultures that are anathema to
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  Speaker 2: those of your country, and this is eventually where you
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  Speaker 2: end up. We are starting to see all of this
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  Speaker 2: unravel before our very eyes, and the Prime Minister can
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  Speaker 2: stand there and say, oh, well, you know, we should
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  Speaker 2: turn the temperature down, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: It's gone too far.
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  Speaker 13: Well, yeah, it has gone too far. But you know, Caleb,
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  Speaker 13: this is something that a lot of people have been
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  Speaker 13: warning about for an awful long time, for ten twenty
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  Speaker 13: years now, that the multicultural compact can only survive in
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  Speaker 13: a tolerant country where everybody subscribes to the same rules
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  Speaker 13: of tolerance. And the thing is, you know, we've been
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  Speaker 13: told forever that, oh, multiculturalism is wonderful. Diversity is our strength.
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  Speaker 13: Think of the cuisines and the restaurants and all the vibrancy.
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  Speaker 13: But you know, we see this in Europe, we see
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  Speaker 13: this in sometimes in the United States. We see this
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  Speaker 13: here and we see it an awful lot. Since October seventh,
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  Speaker 13: we've seen that some cultures have real problems, not only
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  Speaker 13: with Jewish people, but also with Israel with Western values.
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  Speaker 13: You know, we saw the treatment of Liam Mendez from
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  Speaker 13: the Australian where they took his phone and then threatened
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  Speaker 13: to threaten to take it if he didn't delete the
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  Speaker 13: film footage, and then they had to be reminded that,
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  Speaker 13: you know, it's a democracy and you're allowed as a
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  Speaker 13: journalist to actually do things like film people in public.
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  Speaker 13: We need to have a really hard conversation about multiculturalism migration.
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  Speaker 13: At the same time, for whatever reason, we've got Anthony
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  Speaker 13: albni Is he bring in three thousand people from Gaza
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  Speaker 13: on tourist visas with god knows what checking about their attitudes.
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  Speaker 13: I'm sorry. Who we bring into this country is a
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  Speaker 13: choice and we have not exercised it responsively. We have
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  Speaker 13: used it for ethnic spoils purposes in local politics and
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  Speaker 13: it has been a disaster. And we are seeing that
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  Speaker 13: play out time and again. This is only the leads example, Caleb,
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  Speaker 13: and we're going to see it happen again and again.
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  Speaker 2: I know, and I just hope that whether it's this,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, God forbid, it's another event. But I hope
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  Speaker 2: we have that wake up moment soon as all of
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: this stuff starts to become obvious. Now, speaking of Anthony Albanezi,
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  Speaker 2: he's been saying privately that he's confident he can form
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: a majority government off the back of the next election,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe he's changed his mind a little bit because
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: he started to wine and dine his way through the
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: what could either king make whos in a minority government
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  Speaker 2: if we were to get to that at the next election.
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  Speaker 2: He hosted a number of MP's at the lodge over
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  Speaker 2: the last knights. He said, the teals there illegal spenders,
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  Speaker 2: Zalie Stegel, Sophie Scomps.
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  Speaker 3: He's brought in a few of the other independents.
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  Speaker 2: Diary and Andrew g It seems pretty clear here James
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  Speaker 2: Willis this is what he's planning for. He's trying to
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  Speaker 2: shore up the votes before the votes have even been cast.
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  Speaker 11: Well, and let's hope if there's any integrity left in
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  Speaker 11: some of these tials, that they declare this upfront and
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  Speaker 11: they make sure it's on their declarations in terms of
• 16:22
  Speaker 11: a free night out, because I'm sure there were some
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  Speaker 11: very nice food and champagne there. Do you know the
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  Speaker 11: thing with this and I had to look at the
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  Speaker 11: data from twenty twenty two, Caleb, and I think this
• 16:30
  Speaker 11: is going to be such a critical issue for those
• 16:32
  Speaker 11: that believe that Peter Dutton can win the election. Out right,
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  Speaker 11: I'm still of the view that this is going to
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  Speaker 11: be very close. Albinizy will lose a lot of ground.
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  Speaker 11: But the independent vote is going to be crucial. Now,
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  Speaker 11: if you look at twenty twenty two and have a
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  Speaker 11: look at the primary votes for some of these teals
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  Speaker 11: and the independence, we're talking about between seven and eleven
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  Speaker 11: percent in these seats won by tials that voted labor
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  Speaker 11: as their primary vote.
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  Speaker 3: There was a couple more.
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  Speaker 11: But when you talk about Zalie Stegel eight percent, Kate
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  Speaker 11: Cheney eleven percent, Owe Downel eleven percent, that's the labor
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  Speaker 11: primary vote. So are you telling me that when it
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  Speaker 11: gets close and they have to make a decision between
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  Speaker 11: these two that they are going to listen to one
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  Speaker 11: tenth of their electorate and back Anthony Albanezi when really
• 17:14
  Speaker 11: they are conservative seats traditionally. I mean, it's the greatest
• 17:17
  Speaker 11: bit of hypocrisy ever. So that is going to be
• 17:19
  Speaker 11: the fascinating thing in my mind to watch heading into
• 17:21
  Speaker 11: the election.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Correct, it'll depend how much I suppose they have
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: to pay back their donors. So of course one issue
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: people are all about climate change now James borrow the
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: tariffs of course that Trump has slapped on aluminum and steel, etc.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Albanize is obviously hoping that Trump will carve something out
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: so that we can avoid all of this despite the
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: sort of flip flopping rhetoric I think we've seen from
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: both of them in the.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Last couple of days.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: But one of the President's advisors has said that Australia
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: has flooded America with aluminium.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Take alu of this.
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: Australia is just killing or a luminumerict And the President
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: Trump says, no, no, we're not, We're not doing that anymore.
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: We're going back to where we were. Golden age is
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: steel and aluminum. What they do is they just flood
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: our markets. After Biden let them, gave them an agreement
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: that said, don't flut our markets. You can have a
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: reasonable amount. That's what we're dealing with.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: An administration is also accused Australia disregarding a verbal commitment
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: to voluntarily reduce aluminum exports to a reasonable level, having
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: said that there is a trade surplus going on here.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Where is this actually going to land?
• 18:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah, look, I mean there's a couple of points here
• 18:36
  Speaker 13: to make about this. Caleeb Number one. Of course, let's
• 18:39
  Speaker 13: not forget that labor really tried to spin This as
• 18:41
  Speaker 13: a huge win for Anthony Albinisi and is sort of
• 18:44
  Speaker 13: aw shucks diplomacy with Donald Trump getting there on the
• 18:47
  Speaker 13: blower and talking about golf and airplanes and football and
• 18:50
  Speaker 13: all that sort of stuff, and you know, hey, how
• 18:52
  Speaker 13: good are we. You know, we've got this under consideration.
• 18:54
  Speaker 13: We're going to be fine here. Peter Navara, there is
• 18:58
  Speaker 13: pretty much wrong. I think he's just sinking negotiating position.
• 19:01
  Speaker 13: The question, though, is always with these things, there is
• 19:03
  Speaker 13: a question of what else is on the table here?
• 19:06
  Speaker 13: And I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see
• 19:09
  Speaker 13: some talk about Australia's restrictions on online freedom start to
• 19:14
  Speaker 13: come into play. This has already started to come into
• 19:16
  Speaker 13: play in Britain, where there's an online safety bill which
• 19:19
  Speaker 13: is very limiting a free speech you know, goes after
• 19:22
  Speaker 13: things that they call harmful but not illegal. And we
• 19:25
  Speaker 13: know the state of free speech in Britain. We know
• 19:27
  Speaker 13: that Elon Musk has had fights with our own e
• 19:29
  Speaker 13: Safety Commissioner, Julian van Grant, who has done an awful
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: lot of things here I think to damage free speech
• 19:35
  Speaker 13: in this country. I wouldn't be surprised if somehow this
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: became part of the negotiation down the road, because it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 13: never just about the steal and the amount of steel
• 19:44
  Speaker 13: that we send to the United States. They're not even
• 19:47
  Speaker 13: on the top five of our export destinations for steel,
• 19:49
  Speaker 13: so there's got to be some other stuff in the mix.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: God forbid we end up in that position.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the UK government by the way, they've now
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: gone to Apple and told them they want access to
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: all of the users in CREP to Datu. I mean,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this stuff just gets worse and worse quickly before we go.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: James Willis and the issue of border security.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Could will come back onto the agenda before the election
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: because you've got one of these blokes who got caught
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: up in the whole Section ninety direction ninety nine stuff,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Glenn Taylor kwei Feller. You know, thirty five convictions over
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: three decades, domestic violence, harassment, intimidation. He was spared deportation
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal last year and he's trying
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: again to remain in Australia. If he is allowed to
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: stay here, surely it reopens that can of worms that
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the government had to deal with last year that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: They hated absolutely and someone that had an appalling record
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: and has no place in our community. But it does
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: just show and how we are different to places like America,
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: where the President can sign an order and start effectively
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: moving people out who don't belong.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: In America, we have a.
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: Very very difficult legal system to navigate and to actually
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: deport people where the AAT is working against the government fighting.
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: You've got legal aid, you've got all these opportunities for
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: people to stay. This goes on for years and years
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: and years just to kick out someone who has no
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: place in this country. So look, Labor have made changes
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: to the border security policy since coming in. We've had
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: a few boats arrived since then, so that has been
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: an issue that's been back on the agenda. But in fairness,
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: sometimes the legal system clearly is against what is in
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: the best interests of Australia.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Well double James on a Wednesday, James Willis, James.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Morrow, thank you so much for joining me today.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Now, if there's one thing we don't want in Parliament,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: it's politicians with zero life experience. It doesn't matter if
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: it's Labor or Liberal. But sadly too many have lived
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: their lives in a bubble, coming from a comfortable childhood
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to student politics, to being a staff or a unionist
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of course in the labor example, a meaning to parliament,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: no real job, no concept of what life is actually
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: like for the rest of us. But one politician you
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: can't say that about is just sent a nampajimp.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Price.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: She set to release her first memoir, of the Heart,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that will reveal not just her rise in politics, but
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: her traveled younger years. And I'm pleased to say that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Senator Price joins me now. Like I said, it's so
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: important that our politicians have life experience, and it's not
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: always pretty, but you do have life experience, and of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: course that informs what you then go on to do
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: as a politician, which is why I've always found it
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: so funny or funny is probably not the right word.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: But you get so derided by people of the left
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: for what you say about indigenous affairs, but you've lived
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it every day of your life, the good and the bad,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the black and the white of these issues. What made
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you want to write this book and open up about
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: what you've been through?
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, Caleb. Look, I think the whole well, the
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: fact that i've sort of been catapulted into the position
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: I have been and being a first term senator, been
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: given the responsibilities that I've been given, the trajectory that
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: I've been on, I think kind of prompted me to
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: want to sort of share a bit more about who
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: I am, who I am as a person as well,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: if you like, and especially why I have been advocating
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: and fighting for the issues that I do, particularly within
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: the indigenous policy space. And I guess I wanted to
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: just be able to give Australians a bit of an
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: insight into the mom, the wife, the daughter, you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: that parts of who I those parts of who I am,
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: and to say, you know, I'm deadly serious about what
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to do and what I'm trying to achieve here,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: and you know, perhaps even connect with Australians out there,
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: because I know I'm not the only person who's experienced
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: trauma in life and overcome adversity as well.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Well. Of course these days when you see the superstar
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that you are now, but tell us a bit more
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: about that trauma and how that's shaped you.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, I'm in Look all my life, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: throughout my childhood. You know, I've lost a brother to
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: leukemia when I was young, my mother almost almost lost
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: her through kidney failure, and she was one of the
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: first Indigenous people to receive a kidney transplant, which has
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: been very successful for her. But experiencing the rates of
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: domestic and family violence within my family and being exposed
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: to that ever since I was a child, and then
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: experiencing being a you know, a survivor of domestic violence myself,
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: has absolutely shaped me today as a politician and somebody
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: who is fighting and fighting to establish the reality and
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: the truth of what's going on the ground because there's
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: just so much denial in that space. We wonder why
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: we still maintain the highest rates of domestic and family
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: violence and sexual abuse of our children. And we can't do.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: That anymore, indeed, and that's exactly what we need, more
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of that real life experience. Senator m Paging per Price,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time, and you can
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: pick up her memoile.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Matters of the Heart.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: As of today, after the break, it's only a matter
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: of time before someone gets seriously hurt or worse as
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the government buries its head in the sand on anti Semitism,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: plus the whopping cost of new vehicles, as labor persists
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: with their emission standards, so how high could it go?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: A motoring expert will join me shortly. Let's return to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that shocking antisemitic video involving two New South Wales healthcare workers.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: We've touched on the political implications with the panel, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: joining me now to discuss the impact on the Jewish
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: community is Director of Public Affairs at the Australia Israel
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and Jewish Affairs Council, Jamie Hyam's Jamie, welcome. I mean
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: this happened in Sydney obviously, but this is now a
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: national story and I imagine also an international story. There
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: would be lots of Jewish people tonight. You know, however
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: untrue what they said might have been in that there's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: no record of anyone actually dying, but this would be
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: putting fear into people, not just in Australia but across
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the world today.
• 26:22
  Speaker 14: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, if this is what you get
• 26:24
  Speaker 14: from health workers who are meant to be dedicated to
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: saving human life, then you know, you can imagine what
• 26:30
  Speaker 14: it's like for the rest of the community. And we
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: don't know if this is just a nice lated incident
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: of two people trying to be a bit of a
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: smart Alec and spewing out their hatred to in Israeli,
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: or whether it's a sign a deeper problem, whether there's
• 26:43
  Speaker 14: a whole undercurrent and culture that represents that sort of
• 26:46
  Speaker 14: thought in Bankstown Hospital and right across the New South
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: Wales Health system. And that's the sort of thing that
• 26:51
  Speaker 14: the investigation really needs to uncover so that Jewish people
• 26:54
  Speaker 14: and the rest of the community can feel safe from
• 26:56
  Speaker 14: the hospital and can feel that those that are charge
• 27:00
  Speaker 14: we've taken care of ma actually do have their best
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: interests at heart and no matter who they are, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: And it's really an example. It just shows how far
• 27:08
  Speaker 14: this country has come, how far down this country has
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: come in the last sixteen monthsince October seven. That as
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: your panel was saying before, that people now not only
• 27:17
  Speaker 14: don't think those sort of thoughts are acceptable, but don't
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: think there's anything wrong with enunciating them, even when they
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: know they're likely to be recorded.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And that's the most extraordinary thing is that someone or
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: two people for that matter, actually felt like they could
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: say those words out loud and that there might not
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: be consequences. And this is going to what I said,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Madatorial at the top of the show that they do
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: that because they feel comfortable in the community therein now,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: whether that's specifically Bankstown or whether it's a feeling they
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: get about the whole country at the moment, but they
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: clearly have a feeling that they can say those things
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and get away with it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, And it's really is to use a health analogy,
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: it's a symptom of what's going wrong in this country
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: over the last sixteen months. And you know that the
• 28:03
  Speaker 14: statements from various government leaders from Anthony Albneasy down and
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: that the New South Wales Health Minister and so on
• 28:10
  Speaker 14: today were very very welcome, but they're kind of trying
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: to put the genie back in the bottle. And this
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: is the sort of thing that should have been happening
• 28:16
  Speaker 14: in October twenty twenty three, not just now. You know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: when there were crowds demonstrating in favor of the October
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: seven attacks.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned the state and federal government response today
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and I must say it it was strong, particularly the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Health Minister in New South Wales, Ryan Park have a listened.
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: This is two individuals from Bankstown Hospital who have appeared
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: to carry out this vile and disgusting act. But I
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: want to be very clear as clear as I possibly
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: can on two things. One, subject to that investigation, these
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: people will never work in New South Wales hospitals again.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: And two I'm assure the Jewish commit unity today that
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: they have my utmost sorrow, but more importantly, my utmost energy,
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: dedication and time.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: It was a strong statement and good on him.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: But to your point, Jamie, how do you get the
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: genie back in the bottle?
• 29:20
  Speaker 14: Well, you know, you really need it really needs to
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: be sort of an all of community type reaction. We
• 29:26
  Speaker 14: know that most of the Australian community is against anti Semitism,
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: but there needs to be more speaking out against it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: We need to get back to the situation that we
• 29:34
  Speaker 14: used to have where voicing antisemitism is seen to be
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: socially unacceptable. You know, where people would not dare to
• 29:42
  Speaker 14: say that sort of thing because they know that even
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: if they felt that they knew deep down they shouldn't
• 29:47
  Speaker 14: feel it, and they knew that if they did say it,
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: it would be very detrimental to them. And at the moment,
• 29:53
  Speaker 14: as we've said, you know, people think they can get
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: away with it. That's just appalling. And once people think
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: they can get away with saying that sort of thing,
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: and they're all saying it amongst themselves. How much further
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: do you need to go before people start to act
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: on it and actually carry out violent it takes against
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: the Jewish community as we've seen.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like all of this is also,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: if we go back to the medical terms again, a
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: symptom of a broader cultural problem that this country, in
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of the West, is having at the moment,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: and I just fear that it's going to end in
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a very ugly way. While we're talking about anti Semitism,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the Coalition is pushing for it to be added to
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the Albanese government's Higher Education Code bill because obviously we've
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: seen that the stuff that's happened on campuses since October
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the seventh. But mcquarie University today I have announced that
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: they've set up this high security safe room quote unquote
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: for Jewish students who might be feeling unsafe on campus.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: If I hadn't read that this was actually real, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: would have thought it had come from an episode of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Utopia or something like. The university goes, oh, we've got
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a problem with anti Semitons, Well.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: We'll give them a room.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Where they can go and isolate themselves from the rest
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: of the campus in order to feel safe. Does that
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: not just perpetuate exactly what the protesters that Tetra want
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: Well, exactly. And you know, you were talking about the
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: Obnezi government, And of course what we would have liked
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: them to do was have a judicial inquiry into antisemitism
• 31:21
  Speaker 14: on campuses, as the liberals wanted and as their own
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: antisemitism on boy Julian Siegel recommended. But to go back
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: to this, it's not good enough to say here's a
• 31:30
  Speaker 14: safe space for the Jewish students on campus. There should
• 31:33
  Speaker 14: be no spaces on Macquarie University or any other campus
• 31:36
  Speaker 14: that is not safe for Jewish meeting exactly. And you know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: and there are things that they should be doing rather
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: than just creating a safe room. You know, one of
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: the things they can do, generally is actually adopt the
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism and apply it,
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: you know, very very thoroughly sets out what is and
• 31:57
  Speaker 14: what isn't, what can and what can't be antisemitism. It
• 32:00
  Speaker 14: does in a very fair way, very authoritative, and they
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: should apply that. And speaking of you Macquarie University in particular,
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: they are the university that employs Randa Abdolphatta, who has
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: come out on social media and said Zionists, which is
• 32:14
  Speaker 14: ninety five percent of Jewish people, don't deserve any safe spaces,
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: don't deserve to feel safe. She encouraged, you know, she
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: took a bunch of school children to the ant Israel
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: encampment at Sydney University last year and encouraged these school
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: children to chant for Intofada, which is a violent terrorist uprising,
• 32:34
  Speaker 14: and say all Israelis are terrorists. When the Vice Chancellor
• 32:39
  Speaker 14: Dalton was cross examined, examined, dog ats questioned by this
• 32:43
  Speaker 14: by the committee and to Andy seventis One University by
• 32:46
  Speaker 14: Josh Burns and Henry Pike, and you know, he said
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: that he abhored her comments, but he wouldn't say whether
• 32:54
  Speaker 14: she'd been disciplined or not. So if you want to
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: make Jewish people feel safe on campus, get rid of
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: your Andy Semi started.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Indeed, I mean the fact that you would even think
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: that you needed a safe space, I think probably tells everything.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Jammie Himes, thank you so much for your time, and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: just before we move on, in light of what's happened today.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Sky will be broadcasting an anti Semitism summit on Thursday,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: February twenty, that's next week, hosted by Shrry Markson and
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Alex Rifchin. Now we all know power bills of sky
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: rocketing as Chris Bowen marches on with his green energy agender.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: But next on his hit list is cars. Now, the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Albanezi government's tough new vehicle emission standards set to add
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars to the cost of our most popular vehicles,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and the industry, the automotive industry, is warning that those
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: standards could cost car makers an extra two point seven
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: billion dollars. And of course who pays for that, you
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the consumer? Join him in now to discuss this is
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: automotive journalist Paul Gover. Paul, thanks for your time. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Boen and Albanisi and you know they say that the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: new vehicle efficiency stand is a way to save money.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But much like the two hundred and seventy five dollars
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: cut to power bills which didn't come. Instead, we just
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: got a three hundred dollars subsidy which didn't change the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: cost of the product at all.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It just meant we paid less for it.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: How can they possibly think this is going to make
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: cars cheaper when we know that full electric vehicles are
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: not actually what people want to buy.
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: They're kidding themselves. They are absolutely delusional about this. The
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: fact is Australians vote every day, every week, every month
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: with what they buy in showrooms. They're buying big pickup
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: trucks and they're buying SUVs. The government doesn't like that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: They want us all to be electric to meet their agenda,
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: and it's not happening. In fact, sales last month of
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: electric cars were the lowest they've been in a very
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: long time, down by about fifty percent on the same
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: pickup rate last year. Now, nobody's disagreeing with the fact
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: that we need to have a vehicle emission standard. Okay,
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: those vehicles are coming, but penalizing car companies and directly
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: driving up the price of cars is not the way
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: to do it. Penalties don't work, They've been proven everywhere
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: not to work. Incentives do work, But this government seems
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: to think that car companies are somehow miraculously going to
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: absorb the extra fines that they're going to have to
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: pay if they don't hit the CO two target.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Well, if only to look at the UK where they've
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: done a same, same but different sort of system, where
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: it's manufacturers. I think dealerships as well are essentially fined
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: if they import and sell too many.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Petrol powered vehicles.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: They've got a quota basically, and if you go over
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: that quota it's a significance someway twenty five thousand quid
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: or something. So what the dealers over there have been
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: doing is just holding off the importation and sale of
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the cars, essentially drip feeding them into the market so
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that they don't form foul of the rule. And then
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: you look at the data here from the Motor Trades Association,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: they found that an average of three thousand dollars would
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: be added to the cost of our most popular car brands.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: But it goes up to and astonishing nine thousand dollars
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: for Chevies and Rams, which are those big pickup tracks
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: that you were.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Just talking about.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly correct.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Nobody.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: There isn't a brand I can think of that's going
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: to avoid a penalty under this. Now over time, remember
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: this cuts in in the second half of this year
• 36:30
  Speaker 10: and the modeling is out to twenty twenty eight. Brands
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: like Toyota are going fully hybrid in Australia partly to
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: meet this sort of thing. But a company like Isuzu,
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: which just does pickup trucks and big SUVs, they're in
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: big trouble and they're going to have to pass this on.
• 36:47
  Speaker 10: There is no way that they cannot do any They're
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: just going to have to raise prices. And the brands
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: I've spoken to are all saying exactly the same thing.
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: Not only that everybody agrees and they're has been polling
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: to say eighty percent of Australians agree with having a
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: fuel efficiency standard. But what they fail to highlight in
• 37:07
  Speaker 10: this is the newer technology even in combustion engines, means
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: that most of those engines are going to use ninety
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: five or ninety eight octane fuel. So you're going to
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: actually pay more for the fuel to run your greener
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: car as well.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Isn't it great?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: And then you add on top you've got manufacturers like Suzuki,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you're just yanking entire lines of cars off the market
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: because now the rules say that you've got to have
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: automatic braking systems. Like give me a break, Paul Gover,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time after the break,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister floats the idea of buying Rex the airline,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of course, but would this be good use of taxpayer dollars? Plus,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: despite Labor's complains about Trump's tariffs, new analysis suggest their
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: own policies aren't doing a lot to help are manufacturers
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: don't go away. Let's bring in my second panel for
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the evening, Shadow Environment Minister Jonathan Dunham and senior fellow
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: at the Menzi's Search Center.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Nick Cator. Welcome gents.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: The Albanezy government promised to buy Rex Airlines if no
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: other buyers emerge, has been slammed as a massive waste
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: of taxpayer money by one of their rivals, Hinterland Aviation.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: The CEO of Hintland Aviation claims.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: That Rex is struggling to find buyers because its fleet
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: is outdated, unsupported and financially unsalvagable.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: John O.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I just find it so funny that we have the
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: government now proposing to nationalize an airline that it essentially
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: ran out of business because they tried to have a
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: go at running planes between capital cities. But of course
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that market is so tightly regulated by the federal government
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that they never had a chance to get anywhere with
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it now they want to buy the thing.
• 38:49
  Speaker 15: Yeah, the lack of coherence in the government's policies is
• 38:53
  Speaker 15: astounding here, and of course the people that will pay
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: the price ultimately will be the people of regional Australia
• 38:58
  Speaker 15: who depend on airlines like REX. I mean fundamentally though,
• 39:01
  Speaker 15: the idea of a government owning an airline, particularly a
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: regional airline competing with other small regional airlines is going
• 39:09
  Speaker 15: to have a massive impact on the viability of these
• 39:13
  Speaker 15: other businesses and again flow on to reduced competitiveness in
• 39:18
  Speaker 15: these markets and then prices going up as we've seen
• 39:20
  Speaker 15: on other routes. So I think that the concerns that
• 39:23
  Speaker 15: have been expressed have been expressed for good reason. But
• 39:28
  Speaker 15: most importantly, this is not a new problem. Why is
• 39:30
  Speaker 15: the government only acting now rather than having been working
• 39:34
  Speaker 15: with potential purchases on the sale of REX to make
• 39:39
  Speaker 15: sure that it does stay in private hands in the
• 39:41
  Speaker 15: interests of regional Australians who want to travel on this airline.
• 39:45
  Speaker 15: I just think it is catch up and flat footedness
• 39:48
  Speaker 15: from this government and bad socialist policies, which you'd expect
• 39:51
  Speaker 15: from this mob.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I think the TWU might have something to do with that. Now,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the Treasurer called on financial regulators today to soften home lending.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Will also be easier for people with Hex debts to
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: purchase a home. Here he was explaining the reasoning for
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: this change.
• 40:07
  Speaker 12: We need to recognize that student debt is different to
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: other kinds of debt. It's different because paying it back
• 40:14
  Speaker 12: is contingent on income. If people are between jobs, the
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: repayment of student debt is paused. There are a whole
• 40:23
  Speaker 12: range of reasons why this is a different kind of debt.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Now, Nick, ostensibly the point of this is to try
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and make sure that the government meets its goal of
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: building one point two million homes. Okay, well, we'll get
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: more money out there so people can buy and build homes.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: But have we been talking about this small problem of
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: inflation for a while, which was in no small part
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: caused by the fact that lots of money was linked
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: to people. And now the answer apparently is to lend
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: even more money. Yeah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Look, and it worries me that the treasure is saying
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: that Hex's debt isn't real debt. Look at his debt
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: to people like me. I'm a taxpayer, you know, And
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Albanize's great plan to ease the hex set of four
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: million students or three million students. I think it is.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: It's going to cost every taxpayer fifteen hundred dollars. So
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I've got to fork out fifteen hundred dollars. Some smart
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: alet can do a degree in communications, you know, bullshit
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: at Southern Queensland University have I. I mean, that's where
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: we're at, and it is it is a real debt.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: And the I you know, he's well, it's a contingent
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: on how much you earn. So do you think a
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: bank is going to give a loan to somebody who
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: hasn't actually reached the threshold where you have to pay
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: that back. But I really understand where young people are
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: in trying to get a foothold in the property market.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: They've got hextet, they've got superannuation. You know, they have
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: to compulsorily give eleven point five percent of their wages
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: in superannuation, going to twelve percent in June. Well, why
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: can't the Treasurer look at what the opposition is proposing,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: you know, to actually lower the super obligation while people
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: get a foothold in the property market. Because after all,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: when you reach my age and you're sort of approaching retirement,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: the most important thing is to have a house, you know,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: before you've got a super balance, So that's the obvious
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: way to go. But of course, labor of course is
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: in depth to the super funds and their cronies there,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: so that's not going to happen.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, And if you put an issue with the cost
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: of housing, I don't think having more money swimming around
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and the bunch of people who want to buy houses
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: actually going to do anything about the cost of housing.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: While we're talking about the cost of things, new analysis
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: has revealed that Victoria was the state that had the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: highest number of manufacturers go bust last year. It's a
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: total of two hundred and twenty three that went under.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: At least four hundred and fifteen Victorian manufacturers have collapsed
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: now during the Albanezi government's time in power. That second
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: only to New South Wales with four hundred and ninety.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: But John o'labour's carrying on about the tariffs and how
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: this could potentially destroy our industry, etc. But it seems
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: like we're all doing already doing a pretty good job
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: of it ourselves.
• 43:04
  Speaker 15: Page one of Anthony Albanez's playbook is find someone to blame.
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: And when we had the energy crisis, it was the
• 43:11
  Speaker 15: Ukraine Russia conflict, it was economic headwinds, it was the
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: last government. And now, of course the manufacturers that have
• 43:19
  Speaker 15: gone under sadly, amongst the thousands of businesses that have
• 43:23
  Speaker 15: gone into insolvency over the term of this government. It's
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: again someone else's fault. This time they're pointing to Donald Trump,
• 43:29
  Speaker 15: who's been in office for what a month. So it
• 43:33
  Speaker 15: is ridiculous and an appalling abrogation of responsibility energy costs
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: which are higher and going higher because of their ridiculous policies.
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: I our laws which are cumbersome, burdensome and very very costly,
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: particularly for small businesses, amongst all of the other red
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: tape and regulation this bunch of Canberra based bureaucratic governance
• 43:58
  Speaker 15: types are imposing on businesses as well. Drives manufacturers under
• 44:02
  Speaker 15: we can't compete with manufacturers out of China or Malaysia
• 44:06
  Speaker 15: or South America because we price ourselves out of the market.
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: And you can thank labor and their policies for this
• 44:12
  Speaker 15: sort of thing.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Just very quickly, Nick, we've only got twenty seconds. But
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Sam Kerr, the Matilda's captain, of course, was found not guilty.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Today she called a copper in the UK's we know
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: iffing stupid and white. Apparently that's not racially aggravated abuse
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: of a police officer. I don't know that this should
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: have ever been in court in the first place.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: But is she racist or not.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Of course she's not, and this should never have gone
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: to court. That's absolutely apparent for what would have been
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: even if she'd been found guilty a pretty minor offense.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: This copper when you look at his behavior and which
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: wasn't explored in the court, he was just determined to
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: get her, you know, to get her into court and prosecutor.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: It was clearly unfounded and I think that policeman and
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: the whatever the British equivalent of the Department of Public
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Prosecutions needs to be investigative for how they allow this
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: stuff to happen. And good on Sam Kerr for getting
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: through this.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I think the whole thing was a fast I'm not
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: sure whether she should be captain again though, John o'nick,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. After the break,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: plenty of words to get through.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: As always on a Wednesday with Kel Richards, don't go away.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Well joining me now as he always does on a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Wednesday's wordsmith and broadcaster Kel Richards, or should I call
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: you Caleb Bond because you'll be sitting in that chair
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: where I normally sit on the late debate tonight, because
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting here.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: But let's get.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Into the words showing and Bill wants to know where
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: smithereens comes from.
• 45:38
  Speaker 16: Okay, it seems to come from an earlier word for
• 45:41
  Speaker 16: a small fragment, which is smithers. Now, some experts say,
• 45:44
  Speaker 16: we don't know where that comes from, but I'm pretty
• 45:46
  Speaker 16: sure smithers comes from blacksmithing, because smithers always meant a
• 45:51
  Speaker 16: fragment or a tiny fragment. And I'm pretty sure though,
• 45:53
  Speaker 16: were the tiny fragments of red hot metal that came
• 45:56
  Speaker 16: flying off hot metal beaten on the anvil by a
• 45:59
  Speaker 16: black smith, So they were smithers. And smithereens is an
• 46:04
  Speaker 16: Irish diminutive version of smithers. Smithereens Irish from blacksmithing.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: There you are fair enough yank my chain. Michael thinks
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: it's Australia.
• 46:13
  Speaker 16: Sorry Michael, it's American.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Ah, well, it makes sense with yank in.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: It does it does?
• 46:19
  Speaker 16: It comes from mid eighteen hundreds in America. It originally
• 46:23
  Speaker 16: meant to tease or trick a person. And there's a
• 46:26
  Speaker 16: lot of speculation, but I think I think the answer
• 46:29
  Speaker 16: is it seems to come from mining in America. In
• 46:31
  Speaker 16: the old days. The toilet that was used by men
• 46:35
  Speaker 16: working at the lower levels was on a cart so
• 46:38
  Speaker 16: that when it got full, it could be dragged up
• 46:39
  Speaker 16: to the surface. And the favorite, favorite trick they used
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: to play was when a bloke was there and using it,
• 46:47
  Speaker 16: they'd click off the brake and give it a push.
• 46:49
  Speaker 16: So they got into the habit of carrying a piece
• 46:51
  Speaker 16: of chain to use it a chock, so it couldn't
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: happen to them. Hence, don't yank my chain. Don't play
• 46:58
  Speaker 16: that trick on me.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: That's cruel, isn't it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I remember reading in a biography of John Laws that
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: apparently when he was a young fella doing music broadcasting,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: he used to go down to a particular panel beating
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: shop and he used to take young ladies and do
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: ungodly things in the back of vans and they push
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: the vans.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Into the middle of Paramatta Road.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: So rather similar double down Michael has asked, I understand
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: the double it's because you're saying, well, I'm going along
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: with what I've said previously, but why do you double down?
• 47:25
  Speaker 16: Oh, because you're putting cards on the table.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: It comes from back cards.
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: So from blackjack, doubling down originally was doubling your bet
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: after the first deal, at the point we could only
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: draw one more card. From blackjack, it became a broader
• 47:38
  Speaker 16: gambling expression. Doubling down then meant doubling your bet at
• 47:41
  Speaker 16: each move. From that, the extended meaning was doing something risky.
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: And so the original meeting appears about nineteen forty nine,
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: and then from nineties that figurative extension of doubling down
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: doing something risky becomes common.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Where does slow as a wetweek? I said this earlier
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: about the news day. I said in a meeting that
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: it was as slow as a wet week, And my
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: colleaguely story says.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: No, it's slow as a wet wig. Which who's right here?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: You are right as usual as usual? Liz, did you
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: hear that? Well?
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: Wet wig is on the internet because the Internet is
• 48:15
  Speaker 16: full of urban myths about language which are quite untrue.
• 48:18
  Speaker 16: It's about the subjective experience of time. If you're on holidays,
• 48:22
  Speaker 16: a wet week is slow drags, a sunny week goes quickly.
• 48:27
  Speaker 16: So it's that subjective experience of time. It was one
• 48:31
  Speaker 16: of those expressions like you know, you're calling someone from
• 48:33
  Speaker 16: the next room and they say I'm coming and you say,
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: so's Christmas. It's that kind of subjective experience of time.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Pull the other. It's got bills on kel Richards.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me, and thank you
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: for joining me at home as well.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Up next, Andrew Bolt, good night,