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Saints Players Missing Minicamp??? - Off the Bench, June 10, 2025 · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 3: It's off the bench, smarts all right.
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  Speaker 4: And welcome back in hour number three, oh TV one,
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  Speaker 4: O four five ESPN batteries.
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  Speaker 3: The timing was better of that one.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna say yesterday we discouraged. You didn't say
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  Speaker 5: it the entire show until just now you called.
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  Speaker 6: The annoying yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we heard his feelings. I think we
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  Speaker 4: heard his feelings.
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  Speaker 6: Get this, dude, who.
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  Speaker 7: Is about hour one an hour two?
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  Speaker 3: I was like that one was better. That one was better.
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  Speaker 4: And speaking of better, we are going to catch up
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  Speaker 4: with the best right now, our gut Nick Underhill, New
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  Speaker 4: Orleans Dots Football joins us.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Nick, how are you doing, sir?
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  Speaker 6: Great?
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  Speaker 3: Are you guys doing doing fantastic?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm sure you're pretty excited. Not like Christmas morning excited.
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  Speaker 4: That's like training camp, but you know, maybe like birthday
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  Speaker 4: excited because you got a little mini camp for the Saints.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, it starts, starts today at least two practices they
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  Speaker 2: scheduled too, with like fans out there, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if they'll do all three or not. But yeah, look,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a it's an exciting time with
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  Speaker 2: this team at least, like I've never really been more
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  Speaker 2: interested to go out and see practices. You know, by
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  Speaker 2: by August that might no longer be the case because
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  Speaker 2: they might reveal themselves as not being a very good team.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, like the gifts still wrapped up, and
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  Speaker 2: as if that opened up, right, you aren't disappointed. You know,
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  Speaker 2: your mom didn't get you the team Jordan's instead of
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  Speaker 2: the Jordan threes, you know, like you got the right Jordan's,
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  Speaker 2: not the not the foot locker on the shelf, ones
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  Speaker 2: like that could be in the box. So until you
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  Speaker 2: find out, Yeah, it's exciting, man, I'm eager to see
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  Speaker 2: what these.
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  Speaker 5: Guys look like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, him as well.
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  Speaker 4: There's so many different intriguing position battles. Certainly the quarterback
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  Speaker 4: is going to lead the charge there, but what the
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  Speaker 4: offensive line is going to look like. But I want
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  Speaker 4: to ask you about the running back position because nickd
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  Speaker 4: does seem like they are in the market for a
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  Speaker 4: veteran running back. I mean they've kind of been tied
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  Speaker 4: loosely to some of these running backs.
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  Speaker 3: I know, Nick Chubb just went to the Texans.
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  Speaker 4: Becam Akers is somebody the Saints are interested in at least,
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  Speaker 4: and it feels like they want to bring in another
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  Speaker 4: veteran running back even though they have Ak and Clyde
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  Speaker 4: Edwards te Layer on the roster already.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting because like it's a position that that you know,
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  Speaker 2: could be crowded if some of these maybes hit, and
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  Speaker 2: if none of the maybes sad, it's it's the borderline disaster. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Clyde's a huge maybe still I think there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of talent, but he was available in the
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  Speaker 2: last season, and you know when a guy's out there
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  Speaker 2: on the open market in November December that there's usually
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  Speaker 2: a reason for it. Collin's obvious was a first round pick,
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  Speaker 2: but it's been a few years since we've seen him
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  Speaker 2: kind of capitalize on that for a multitude of reasons.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, hopefully all that you know, set up
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  Speaker 2: to where he can show it consistently now so he
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  Speaker 2: could be Boomer bus Kendre is very boom or bust.
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  Speaker 2: I still can't get my head around the idea that
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  Speaker 2: someone can't figure out like eight plays that he can
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  Speaker 2: execute consistently, because like even when he doesn't know exactly
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  Speaker 2: what he's supposed to be doing, like we've seen him
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  Speaker 2: break off nine yard runs like like it's nothing, but
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  Speaker 2: he's very boomer busy, Devin Neil, You know, a late
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  Speaker 2: round pick theoretically should be good, but we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I haven't seen anything out there, Marcus, youre irons.
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  Speaker 2: The UDFA has looked really good in these practices, but
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  Speaker 2: he's a UDFA and we haven't seen him take a
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  Speaker 2: hit yet. Like if all those things go sideways, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Alvin feels like the one constant, but at some point
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  Speaker 2: he is going to look like a thirty year old
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  Speaker 2: running back. Like I don't know when that happens, when
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  Speaker 2: it hits. But assuming he's he's fine. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: one of these things could it and you have a
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  Speaker 2: decent room to get it, you have a great room,
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  Speaker 2: or they could all bust and maybe you need camp makers.
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  Speaker 2: And he's trying out this week at mini camp and
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  Speaker 2: you know he's had two torn achilles, wasn't very good
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  Speaker 2: last year. But maybe the time and distance from that
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  Speaker 2: second second torn Achilles, you know, allows him to kind
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  Speaker 2: of tap into more week he was at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of his career. He bounced back really, really good from
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  Speaker 2: the first Achilles. There second one is taking a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more time. But yeah, I mean, look, I think
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  Speaker 2: it makes sense to look at these guys and even
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  Speaker 2: if let's say all the maybes, it like if you're
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  Speaker 2: building on a strength and you're picking the best three
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  Speaker 2: or whatever at the end of it, that's not a
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  Speaker 2: bad spot to be either.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Nick, I'm always gonna lead my questions and
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  Speaker 6: start off with quarterbacks because we all know the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 6: It's an important person in the room. And at the sight,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we have a full out bona fide QB
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  Speaker 6: one battle. So going into many camp, is there really
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  Speaker 6: anything else that you can pull from any camp that
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  Speaker 6: you didn't pull from OTAs We had Scott Tolzien on
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  Speaker 6: the show last last week and he was talking, you know,
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  Speaker 6: really about like this isn't really evaluating for a starter.
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  Speaker 6: This is about getting reps, reps, reps because we don't
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  Speaker 6: have pads on like training camp. That's when in the
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  Speaker 6: real competition. But of course that's a little bit of
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  Speaker 6: coaches talk. But what can a coach in a mini
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  Speaker 6: camp setting see that we kind of haven't already got
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  Speaker 6: from OTAs.
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  Speaker 2: For me, I'm really just going out here and I
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  Speaker 2: just don't want to see one of them look worse
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  Speaker 2: than than what we've seen. Like I just want to
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  Speaker 2: see forward progress or holding steady. You know, I feel
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  Speaker 2: decent about where where these guys are at right now.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, but the thing is is we go
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  Speaker 2: out there and it's limited exposure and we're seeing like
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  Speaker 2: very short practices, you know, the practicing indoors. It's you know,
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  Speaker 2: from what I've heard, the practice they've allowed us to
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  Speaker 2: see each week is a lot more condensed and controlled
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  Speaker 2: than the other ones. Like we go in, we see
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  Speaker 2: about seven eight passes from each quarterback, and then we're
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  Speaker 2: out of there, and you know, it could just happen
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  Speaker 2: to be that on three we see Spencer Ratler's three
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  Speaker 2: best days, and you know, there's a positive viewpoint there.
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  Speaker 2: I think seeing it in this setting kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: outside people screaming a little more adrenaline, got the heat going,
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  Speaker 2: you know, some sweat on the football whatever. All that
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  Speaker 2: stuff got the actual vets out there now, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think that plays a part in these guys completing.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say it's like ninety two percent of
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  Speaker 2: the passes that we've seen throwing in these seven on sevens.
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  Speaker 2: Like now now you got tiring out there. The Mario
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  Speaker 2: is going to be out there every day, like when
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  Speaker 2: you got the full secondary does it does it look
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  Speaker 2: a little bit different, And like, I hope it does
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  Speaker 2: look a little bit different, but I don't want it
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  Speaker 2: to look discouraging different. And like, honestly, like I'm just
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  Speaker 2: looking for for continued momentum, and uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: want to be able to go into this this break
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  Speaker 2: believe in that you know, if if X and Y happened,
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  Speaker 2: then he's possible, you know, and a step back would
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  Speaker 2: feel kind of devastating. So I just want to see
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of that that Ford momentum from confidence building,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And I think in the case of Shuck
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  Speaker 2: is just like incremental improvements like hey he was slow
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  Speaker 2: on display yesterday. Today he's seeing it a little bit quicker.
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  Speaker 2: Hey he's doing this some rhythm. You know, he's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of picking up the details, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: from the sideline you know, for for a non mass
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  Speaker 2: flint observed like an idiot like me like that, that
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  Speaker 2: might be hard to piece together, you know, every single time.
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  Speaker 2: But I think from a coaching standpoint, that's that's probably
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  Speaker 2: really all they're looking for right now is like little
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  Speaker 2: pieces of growth being improvement with the reps and then
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  Speaker 2: you know, just having a menu with things that you
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  Speaker 2: can handle. Both these guys at the end and say like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: look these are good things, bad things like clean that
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  Speaker 2: up for camp, and then I just want to see
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  Speaker 2: shock really, you know, and Ratlery too, you know, come
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  Speaker 2: back look a little bit different. It started turning kid.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think it's a good point because it's
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  Speaker 6: in competitions like this, it's really easy to overreact. When
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  Speaker 6: I was in a competition in Seattle with Russell, It's
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  Speaker 6: like I had practices where I mean I couldn't miss
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  Speaker 6: dicing it up, throwing like ten touchdowns in a practice
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  Speaker 6: right and the other guy would have a couple batted
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  Speaker 6: down with a line of scrimmage I got picked, you
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  Speaker 6: know whatever it was, and things that like just look
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  Speaker 6: bad from an observer standpoint, So it's easy to overreact
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  Speaker 6: from like a reporting standpoint, like that, but you have
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  Speaker 6: a good outlook on it. I note that's what kind
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  Speaker 6: of tolls he was talking about it. We take the
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  Speaker 6: whole scope into a decision making process and we're seeing
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  Speaker 6: one practice is just like one little tiny aspect of it.
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  Speaker 6: But one part from like a coaching and a a
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  Speaker 6: on a competition like this that's difficult to manage is
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  Speaker 6: how each guy gets reps. So every team can handle
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  Speaker 6: a competition differently from you know, a number standpoint of reps.
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  Speaker 6: How are they trading off between first and second team reps?
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 6: But day by day? Is it? Series by series?
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 6: You know, one rep by one rep? How are they
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  Speaker 6: trading that off right now?
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  Speaker 2: So well first like yeah, great, Like sometimes I'm embarrassing
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  Speaker 2: to myself out we talk about these like early practices
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  Speaker 2: because you're you're like you're waiting six months and you
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  Speaker 2: go out and you see an ota and you dissect
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  Speaker 2: eight passes like you know, it's the game winning drive
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  Speaker 2: in the super Bowl, because like it's all you have
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, and then you have that just for
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  Speaker 2: a full week and when it's a quarterback scope, like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's embarrassing when you look back on it. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean, but that's all we can really do. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as far as how they're splitting it up
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  Speaker 2: each day, it's Ben Ratler. He's been first team and
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  Speaker 2: every single series I think that we've seen, barring one,
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  Speaker 2: has been him going first. We saw Shuck in the
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  Speaker 2: last practice. Rattler took the first team reps the first time,
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  Speaker 2: then it was Shuck and then they do special teams,
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  Speaker 2: they come back, and then Shuck went first the next time. Now,
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  Speaker 2: like a few times when Chuck's went out there with
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  Speaker 2: the second team, some of the starters from the first
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  Speaker 2: team defense, it cycled in it at some of the spots,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it's kind of like a like a
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  Speaker 2: half squad or whatever. But for the most part, it's
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  Speaker 2: Ben Ratler running it. And you know, the first two
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  Speaker 2: practices we were out there, we didn't see Hunter Deckers
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  Speaker 2: throw at all. He got a series in this in
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  Speaker 2: this last ota, So you know, I'm interested to kind
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  Speaker 2: of see what he can do too. I think there's
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  Speaker 2: a significant gap between him and the other guys, But
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  Speaker 2: like his athletic profiles like really really interesting to me,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I'm kind of curious to see if
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  Speaker 2: he can if he can be good enough to maybe
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  Speaker 2: make the practice squad. I you know, if I had
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  Speaker 2: to guess right now, I don't think he pushes Jay Canner.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a you know, pretty pretty decent golf
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  Speaker 2: right there. But you know, over time, maybe maybe it
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  Speaker 2: closes a little bit. But yeah, it looks like rattlers
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  Speaker 2: in the lead. That's the thing I think I'm most
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  Speaker 2: interested in going into the training camp is just to
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  Speaker 2: really see how they they handle this battle. Like do
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  Speaker 2: they do they call it early if one guy's like
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  Speaker 2: really went in if it's shucked, did they call it
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  Speaker 2: early and go with them? Or you know, do you
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  Speaker 2: do you feel like you owe it to the process
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  Speaker 2: to run it all the way through the preseason and
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  Speaker 2: kind of you know, cycle it through and and just
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  Speaker 2: see where it's at at the end. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what the right way to
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  Speaker 2: do it is. You know, I kind of lean towards
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  Speaker 2: settling it, but you know, I could see going through
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing too. If it stays you know close,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, just at the end, I just want
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  Speaker 2: to feel like somebody want it instead of somebody like
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  Speaker 2: getting it by the fault or somebody losing it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I just want one of these two guys to like
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  Speaker 2: really look like they've claimed the job.
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  Speaker 4: Catching up with Nick Underhill nuanced out football here on
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  Speaker 4: ot B, I do want to go to the other
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  Speaker 4: side of the football. I know that a lot of
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  Speaker 4: questions for the Saints are going to be on offense,
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  Speaker 4: but there's a defensive player that just a year ago
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  Speaker 4: you traded up in the second round from forty five
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  Speaker 4: to forty one. So it's like kool Ai McKinstry, and
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  Speaker 4: I feel like we don't hear a lot about kool Aid.
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  Speaker 4: What's the plan for him moving forward? I know he's
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  Speaker 4: you know, changed Jersey numbers. I feel like that's the
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  Speaker 4: only news that I've really seen because Nick as you know,
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  Speaker 4: like if you're a second round pick, like you got
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  Speaker 4: to be a dude. But certainly if they trade up
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  Speaker 4: forty five to forty one, like that expectation goes up
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  Speaker 4: even more so. So what's the outlook for kol Ai
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  Speaker 4: mcintrey heading into his second year?
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing I really want to see here, man,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's felt a little bit too easy for these
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks and it's seven on Stevens, like they're going to
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  Speaker 2: complete more passes in that setting than anything else. But
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  Speaker 2: like it's been automatic and you're talking around about a
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  Speaker 2: rookie and a fifth round pick, like this should be
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more resistant. So I just want to
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  Speaker 2: see a couple of plays get made out here. Theoretically, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I think the system should suit Cooy pretty well. Like
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  Speaker 2: Staley likes to run a lot of the same stuff
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  Speaker 2: that Staban runs at Alabama, and you know he was
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  Speaker 2: good there, Like you got picked in the second round
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  Speaker 2: out of that system, so you know, he should be
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  Speaker 2: more comfortable in what he's doing, you know, some of
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  Speaker 2: the powder match stuff and all that. Like, I think
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  Speaker 2: I think it should fit for him. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean I thought I thought the rookie year, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was just okay. You know, I think he's somebody that
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  Speaker 2: really needs to take a big leap this year. And
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  Speaker 2: I think he's kind of, like quietly one of the
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  Speaker 2: more important guys on the team right now, because like
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  Speaker 2: if he solidifies one of those positions, you at least
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  Speaker 2: have an answer. If he doesn't, and then a Lackey Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: like he's a free agent at the end of this season,
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: you might have nothing at cornerback, and like, how are
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: you going to address those needs? You don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be doing it in free agency. You don't want to
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: be in a position where you have to be the
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  Speaker 2: team that pays Jaii Alexander who you know seven games
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  Speaker 2: last year, seven games a year before that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you want to be in a position
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  Speaker 2: of weakness at two cornerback spots because like how do
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  Speaker 2: you address that? And then like what if your quarterback
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  Speaker 2: isn't good? And where's the wide receiver coming in to
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  Speaker 2: go behind Chris Alave If you don't want to pay him,
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  Speaker 2: where are you getting your pass rushers? Like you're talking
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  Speaker 2: like five six premium positions that you'd have to address.
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  Speaker 2: Like granted you have cap space, but you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to buy your way out of out of that, Like
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  Speaker 2: you want to be able to do it from a
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  Speaker 2: position to strength. So him hitting I think, is like
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  Speaker 2: quietly one of the bigger storylines of the season.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Nick, give me a I'm interested in in
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  Speaker 6: Kellen Moore, how he his coaching style, how he presents
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  Speaker 6: himself on the Every coach is different, right, every every
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  Speaker 6: coach coach is different. Some of them are yellow some
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  Speaker 6: of them are laid back, some of them are teachers.
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  Speaker 6: They're just all different. So tell me about Kellen Moore,
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  Speaker 6: like on the practice field, how, how what's his demeanor?
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  Speaker 6: How does he interact with the players, because he's not
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  Speaker 6: he's probably not that much older than a lot of
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  Speaker 6: the guys. He might be younger than some of the
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  Speaker 6: guys that are on the team, but like, so talk
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  Speaker 6: to us about how that is how he's just been perceived.
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  Speaker 6: And the guys have really taken to Kellen so far.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems really smart, and that's the thing you
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: kind of hear from everyone, like when they're talking football,
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  Speaker 2: like they really like him. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: one of the guys just telling me the other day,
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  Speaker 2: like one of the things that he's done that that
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  Speaker 2: you know from the meeting perspective, player perspective, that that's smart.
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  Speaker 2: Is just kind of tying himself the nut Smyer because
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  Speaker 2: you kind of get some of that like younger, new school,
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  Speaker 2: you know, more relaxed, relatable approach from him, and then
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  Speaker 2: he knows how to pass it off to nus Meyer,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: and thus Meyer can be kind of more like the
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: old school you know, uncle who tells you how it
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: is type guy and uh, you know, I think that
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: blend has come together really well. Yeah, I think he
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: kind of presents exactly how you would think he presents,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Like he is just kind of the same all the
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: time when you look at him, you know, on the field,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: kind of carries himself the same way that that when
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: you look at him, like you get kind of what
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: you expect. But what was kind of revealing for me
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: is LSU had that that coaching clinic and he spoke
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: on it and uh, you know, I bought a ticket
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: through on a hat and some glasses, sat in the
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: back when Hancock me, it'll just to kind of see
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: how he himself. Yeah, Conick, and I thought I was
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: undercover and I walked into Pj's and someone immediately said
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: hi to mean I was like, all right, well I'm
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: busted if I go up here. But like, look, seeing
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: him up on that stage, like his presence was different
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: than then, you know, it was kind of eye opening
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: for me. Like when he started talking about football, like
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: there was a little more gusto, a little more like bravado,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: and just the way he explained things for you know,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: a regular person, like the way he was breaking it
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: down it. It was really understandable. Like he wasn't talking
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: over anyone said, he very very much had you know,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: a grasp on the concepts, how to explain it, how
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: to teach, how to communicate, and you know he kind of,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: you know, he kind of felt like his shoulders went
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: up a little bit and the chests puffed out a
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: little bit when he was up there in his own
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: element as opposed to like the media setting. So you know,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I thought, I thought that was a good thing to
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: see there. But so far, like I think the buying
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: is really good. They're doing like these you know, off
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: field community events, and like they're getting good attendants at those,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: which is usually a decent sign. You know, it kind
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: of seems like some people are checked him just to
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: like the general philosophy of what he sells and like
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: beyond football, which I think is I don't know if
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: but ultimately means anything. But when you're trying to build
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: a culture, it's probably good to have that initial buy
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: in on kind of everything. And it seems like it's there.
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: You know, I've learned though that that June buy in
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean anything. There's a lot of buying last
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: year and then by by tell Tember there wasn't but uh,
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to see people not buying in.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: So you know, I think he has a right now,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: and you know, look at some of these vets out
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: here this week and and we'll kind of see how
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: some of that stuff goes out. I do find it
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting that that the attendance, uh, you know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: from the veteran aspect, is a little bit worse in
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: the voluntary part than it was last year. But I
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: could understand some general discouragement when the team is where
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: it is and the quarterback retires out of nowhere. Uh,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you know, that's probably probably tougher guys that might be
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: in the last year of their uh you know, career
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: last year or two.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: What's that? What's that attendance stat that you're talking about.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Just like some of the you know, some of the
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: vets aren't out there, like you know, just last year,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: it kind of felt like everybody, everybody kind of showed up.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: You know this funny the year Alvin never does so
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: like him aside, but you know, some of the guys,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: like like the Mario was kind of working out on
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: his own a little bit Tyron was was, you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: in and out doing his thing. Cam was in and
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: out doing his thing. Like it's just some of those
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: guys on that side of the ball, you know typically
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it was just a little bit different, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you know that's something that that stands out when you're
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: starting over a little bit. But I would probably feel
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit discouraged if I was, you know, a
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: guy looking at it like it's it's one of the
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: final years of my career. Like, but I don't know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you know, people got off field responsibilities, they got kids,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: they got different stuff going on. I don't know why
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: people aren't there. It isn't mandatory, but you know, when
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: you're when you're looking at three practices in your dissect
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and everything like those are one of the things that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: kind of stand out a little bit.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: A right there.
• 17:51
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• 17:54
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• 17:57
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• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Sir, Yeah, don'ts showing me.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: That was never an option for me missing that anything.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you, NIX been mixed. Great love talking
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: to Nack yea love listening to him until these last
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: couple of weeks when I've been asking the questions that
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: last answer he gave us might be I don't know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know how that's sitting with pretty great.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: It's a pretty good nugget, though.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: But it's a good nugget, but it's a it's a
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: pretty veteran like guys with good names too, so it's
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: hard to like jump to conclusion. But man, that's a
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: that's a I don't know if it's a talent if
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: I want to say, it's a telling answer, but man,
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: it's not a great answer.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Uh, new coach on like every level, new coach, every coach,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: new coordinator like this.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: I don't I don't like it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about it when we come back. Maybe
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: what it means your experience with guys missing the workout
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: portion of it, because you know, I've got my own
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: experiences those dudes it is it is, and they're like
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: hard working dudes.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like you would never question them.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: But still it is worth a conversation because it is different.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Certainly when he says the year before it wasn't like that,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: and so we'll break that down when we come back
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• 21:19
  Speaker 4: By the way, I think I like the frame more
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  Speaker 4: than I thought I did. If today is like any indications.
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  Speaker 6: I think we explained it earlier the best. Like you
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  Speaker 6: are sitting in the back seat in the rain, your
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  Speaker 6: parents are driving you to school, and you're just staring
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• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when people like used to have the CD I'm
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: like old enough to where I had the CD player,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, the book, but like the
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  Speaker 5: walkman that you would take on the bus with you
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  Speaker 5: when you're on your way to school, and like the
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: backpack head so you can put the headphones whatever. So
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: like I remember I would have like burned CDs that
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: I would take to school with me with my walkman,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: and the Fray was definitely on the burn CD. But
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking, like, you know, you used to like on
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: the bus, tried to act like you were in a
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: music video.
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: But the bus is so like rattling your head that
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  Speaker 7: you wouldn't be able to.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Did you have the anti skips backpack you had that?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I did, you know? I mean, like it's supposed to
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: be anti skim, but.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: If it was in your backpack, I had one that skipped,
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: so I had I had the big one in my.
• 22:28
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• 22:30
  Speaker 6: It's skipped like you had? Whenever?
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: It was whenever Like I'd argue with mom about like
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: hanging up my clothes or something. I'd go into the room,
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: I'm like, let me put on the emotional music, you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: and I'm mad hanging up the clothes like that was
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: that was me?
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like if it wasn't anti skip, then it had
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: to be completely flat and level.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah it would.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: So if it's throw in your backpack, I mean.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: Man, I probably have that somewhere in my I need
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: you to find it.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: That would be a great relic to have. Yeah, yeah,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I need that. We got a big last thirty minutes this.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to break down what what Nick Underhill said.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Sorry a little bit, Sorry, we can turn off the
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: fray I was. I was vibing good vibe.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't want to talk about it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: I'll lower it. I'll lower it still.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah we did.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: We did what Nick Underhill said, if you miss it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: He was talking about, you know, some of the veteran
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: players not being.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: There for.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Voluntary voluntary air quit here, you know, workouts in the
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: off season. And I don't have great experience with this
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: because we typically in the places that I play, we
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: had one hundred attendance.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Sometimes a guy would miss you know, a week maybe
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: if he had something going on, uh, you know maybe
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: if his contract whatever. Uh. I think Sean Merriman missed
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: a week you know here and there, Like Antonio Gates
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: would miss a week here and there. But at Get
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: is a Hall of Famer, right and it would he
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: wouldn't miss just because like you would always eat, have something,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: you'd have something, and they know beforehand, and you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: he was there working out trying to think of like
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: some like veteran players.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Course, you know the quarterbacks always.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Going quarterbacks or quarterbacks if they're older, established a dude, like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: it's okay, I.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Never I never established established.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I never had a quarterback miss a single workout play
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: those two psychos.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: And I mean that like in the best way possible.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I was never a part of anybody
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: missing either. And I guess this is like a conversation that, yeah,
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: you have to tread lightly and you have to like
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: preface a lot of things because you do never know
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: a situation. You never know what personally somebody's going through.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: You don't even know what a coach said to maybe
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: the coach said, yeah, take it, take a couple of
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: weeks off, Bud. You never know the complete situation, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: from an optic standpoint, And we were talking about it
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: at break here like that. That's something that we haven't
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: heard come out of the camp, out of the off season,
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: is that there was lower attendance this year than there
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: was last year. And I don't we're not going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: talk like names, because we talked about the guys that
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: he'd named right there are like, dude, so.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Like hard work.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: So there's got to be something there, right, But it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: just overall, like when your attendance is worse when you
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: have a brand new head coach, all new staff, all
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: new coordinators, all new everything.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: That's the wild part.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Two young quarterbacks, Like you're building something and then your
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: attendance is worse than the year before for voluntary off
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: season workouts. That throws a red flag up. Now that
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: red flag might have a good reason, but it throws
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: a big red flag. And like he said that, and
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: like my ears perked up. I was like, we're like
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: that's different, and that's not great. It doesn't make us
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: feel good. We're trying to be real positive towards you, Saints.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a Look, it's a big deal for me.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I want everybody there. I want everybody there anytime the
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: doors are open. Now, I'm not saying you don't go
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: take a week here if you've already got something. And again,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the guys that he mentioned are like literally team captain,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: hard working guys. But I want everybody there well, certainly
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: when there's new like he had a head coach, just
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: like for the Steelers, like if you're if you're t J.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Watt and you and Mike Tomlin y'all know each other
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: pretty well. You've been together for a while.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: If T J.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Watt wass to missed a couple of weeks, okay, I'm sure,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: or anybody like you know on the Steelers.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: I don't think like you and I. We're not procraaming, like, yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: you got to be there like you. You have to
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: be there every first one in, first one out, blah
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: blah blah. Because there's everyone, Every situation is treated different.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Every person gets treated different. Yeah, and if you're a guy,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: if you're a veteran, you get treated differently than a
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: guy that's a rookie or a second you're guy trying
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: to just the way of the world, that's how the
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: world worked. If you're a new situation and you got
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: a brand new coach, and that's a different than another
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: off season year with an established staff, right, Yeah, you
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: trash the year before.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Because you do want to learn. You want to learn.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: The day in the day out of how that person
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: goes about their business. What is this coach? Like, what
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: does this coach want me to do? Because I'm a
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: veteran player, Like, what's he expecting from me in this
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: meeting room?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Because look, there's.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Gonna be players on this roster that are the same
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: age as like Keller, Moore and Scott Toldsy there's gonna
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: be something that they're older, right, but so like they're
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: gonna lean on those veteran guys a Cam Jordan, the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Mario Davis, Tyr Matthew to be coaches in the meeting rooms.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And you can be like, that's not the responsibility. It's not,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: but it happens.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Man, I was so fortunate my rookie year to learn
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: from one of the best running backs of all time,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: like Ladaion Thomlinson taught me so much, Darren Sproles taught
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: me so much, Michael Bennett it was a former first
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: round pick. He ended his career with us. Man, he
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: taught me so much. He didn't have to. It's not
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: the responsibility. LT's want the goats, but like he took
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: that time. He helped me, He helped Mike Tolbert, and
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: that was so beneficial for us because the run that
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: coach can only do so much. But when you're talking,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: you know with one of the greats, which the Saints
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: to Mario Davis, Cam Jordan, Tyren mac those are greats, right,
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: It's it's another coach in there, and you can get
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: a lot of those things done. Some of that learning
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: each other, learning expectations in some of these workouts. Even
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: though technically you're not out there on the football field,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: you're still doing football things.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Young players at that level, I guess. I guess you
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: could say at any level, they learn more from their
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: peers than they do a coach from the nuances of
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: playing the game. Now, of course, of course, the coach's
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: job is to teach you the X and o's teach
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: you the game plan, teach you the playbook, like how
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: he wants you to operate within their system that they're teaching.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: But actually how to play the game. You're talking about, ladanion,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: how to read, how to read the guard, how to
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: read how to read a different game from the defense,
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: like the nuances of the game are taught by other players.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: You say, you're fortunate. I was fort shit, I learned
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: from one of the best as well. Yeah, I became
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: a better quarterback I would. I'm a I was a
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: different quarterback because I went to Green Bay than if
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: I would have gone to the Panthers.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, I felt like a straight to the Panthers
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: I was gonna go Cleveland.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: If I went to the Cleveland Browns, everybody's catching strays.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Need to catch it. Terrible mistake by the lake.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess all. I'm saying red flag a little
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: bit for me on a day that we're trying to
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: be positive. Yeah, I don't want to feel like this.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: I'm going to vacation tomorrow.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Right uh, And like moving forward, I'm going to assume
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: like all those players are going to be there and
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: again like oh for sure for the players that it is,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: it's not concerning with who it is because you know
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: those guys are going to be there, but it is
• 29:45
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  Speaker 10: So all right, welcome back in OTB.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: It is now time for me to turn it over
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: for some flnonomics.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: Did you just make that up?
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to think if it's good or not. I
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  Speaker 4: Jello nomics did you know that Bobby Carpenter is a
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  Speaker 4: professor of finance at the Ohio State University.
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  Speaker 6: I actually didn't know he was a professor. Didn't know
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  Speaker 6: of finance finance. Wow, yeah, good about that. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: what a win for the meat heads. Good for hell. Well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: So started diving into this yesterday, like on the show,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: just because I thought it'd be funny to see like
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: what the jello shots like actually cost as opposed to
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: like what they sell in the numbers, because like the
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: numbers are astronomical of the amount especially well, I'm thinking
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: about twenty twenty three. I know they were down last
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: year because LSU wasn't it, So we're basing all of
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: this on twenty twenty three. Like the economics involved on
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: this jealous jot, like what does it cost for them
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: for Rocos to actually produce that? And then what do
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: they make? So I think you were telling me, But
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: a lot of the proceeds are going to the charity,
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: right is that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: There's a portion of it. There's a big tors which
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: is awesome.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like so what what what Rocos has done and
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: what they did? And I know jealous shots were like
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: a thing there before, but it got blown out of
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: the out of the world in twenty twenty three L
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Shoe because everywhere we go we drink out every place.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Oh for sure, I mean Vanderbilt Stadium, yep Rocos and
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: the jell O shot everywhere. I mean we could go
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: on and all like basically any like neutral site game, Like,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: oh I was not familiar with your game.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh you only brought sorry bar, you only brought
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: thirty bottles of everything.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be gone.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: If Lshue goes to the SEC championship game like the
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: team Hotel Bar, they're not ready ever.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: All right, So let's take a look at these numbers. Taylor,
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: you got that spreadsheet. Check this bad boy out. Who
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: did an accounting firm to this? Nope, no, no, no, leader,
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: how I did it? All right? So what we're gonna do.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: We're gonna go down just real real quickly. We're gonna
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: go over our cost of goods here to make a
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: jello shot, all right, how it goes? I got a
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: little recipe down there, Thank you chat GBT for giving
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: me that recipe real quickly. So we're looking at our
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: raw materials, our cost of goods, what it costs, what
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: it costs to make these things our costs. So we
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: look at it. We get these Jellow packet shots. We
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: got one Jellow packet I believe makes twenty you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: makes sixteen ounces. One Jellow shot is one ounce. Okay,
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: so you're substituting a lot of the water with vodka.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: It shows vodka here. I know maybe some places you're
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: just using like a wheat, like an ever Clear type situation,
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: just like a generic wheat alcohol. We won vodka for this,
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: all rightkay? So use about standard one uses about a
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: quarter of an ounce of vodka per shot. Now, it
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: depends on if you're making If Craig Steltz is making
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: them for a tailgate game, probably full ounce, right, but
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I think a standard bar bars making about a quarter ounce. Here,
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: So we got I think we had needed total jello
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: boxes that you would get at a grocery store. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: think we need four. This is just for the LSU
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: numbers here, four, three and five boxes for those you
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: need sixty seven handles of vodka.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, Actually it's not as not as many.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: Because you're only using a quarter of an right now,
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: rocos I don't know what they do. They might be
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: using a half ounce, so we would couple that number
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: whatever you get it, so we can get these packaging
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: pretty good. I mean, you're getting these little cups for
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: like one point two cents apiece. You're getting the lid
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: for like one cent a piece. Then we start looking
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: at the labor. So chat GBT helped me with us
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: this bad boy. We look at these labor costs. All right,
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: So you got this Boiling water takes around five minutes, okay,
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: mixing the jello, let's just say it takes two minutes
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: pouring to the cups per batch. You're pouring a bunch
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: of cups like ten to fifteen minutes. It takes two
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: to four hours for these things to set. But we're
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: not counting that. We're not gonna wait. We're gonna make
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: another batch as soon as we're setting these things. Right now,
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: let's see. You know, it's got a reasonable set up
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: here based on pouring speeds. So we're saying that one
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: person in a seven hour day, which is a normally
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: eight hour shift, get an hour off to go peek,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: get some lunch, blah blah blah. We're gonna make about
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: three hundred and sixty shots per hour per person. Okay,
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Because site's gonna go into our cogs. That's gonna go
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: into our cost of goods, all right, So total cost
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: of goods for one jello shot seven and a half
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: cents for the jello okay, four point two cents for
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: the vodka, right, one point two cent for cup lids,
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: ten one cent labor about five and a half cents.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Now that's gonna be the big that's gonna be the
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: big gray area, right, because you might have a better worker,
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: you might have a little bit less of a worker.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: So total total cogs per shot about twenty nine almost
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: thirty cents. Okay, Now this is using some pretty cheap vodka.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: This is used in a handle, this can, this can
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: go all over the place.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: And the top shelf.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. So of course we got a sell price
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: for five dollars, right, so we're making it for thirty cents.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: That includes the labor. What also included a little bit
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: of extra. I put ten and a half cents extra
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: just for if they have to rent it, like a
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: reefer cooler, a big refrigeration, maybe some extra bowls and withsts,
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: so just whatever. We just I just put ten thousand
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: dollars in there for extra stuff. Equipment or rentals. Right,
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: all right, So now let's let's take a look at
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: those cost of goods versus sell price for all of
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: the Jela shots in twenty twenty three, not just SELU
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: SU everybody. Obviously LSU by far is leading the way.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: That's what we got on this little pink graph over
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: here on the right.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Florida TCU way for its Virginia totals.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: They sold ninety five thousand, thirty Jello shots in the
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty three College World Series. Total revenue on that
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: four hundred and seven tventy five thousand, one hundred and
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: fifty dollars at selling for five cents apiece. Total cost
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: of goods on those jelly shots with everything we talked about,
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: twenty eight thousand, four hundred and thirty five dollars in
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: eighty five cents. Now, this is all speculation. I'm not
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: telling you this is not from Rocos. It might be
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: a lot more than this, But based on my little
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: bit of research, when I think their wholesale costs on
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: everything laving out the labor, we got a total gross
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: profit before they're overhead gross profit four hundred forty six thousand,
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: seven hundred and fourteen dollars and thirteen cents, all because
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: LSU came into town. So that is the economic boom
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: that Omaha can expect. That's the economic boom that Rock
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: goes in all the other surrounding areas. Credit to them
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: for building the brand, executing the brand, and also knowing
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: what they're doing and also giving a lot to charity.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: So credit to them. Count man for one hundred that
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: one hundred hundred.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, my heist and in one hundred shots. That's why
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: we said great work. By the way, I mean great numbers.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: That's why we said.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: When Chase Shores had the third strike, nobody, not even
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: like Jay Johnson's wife, not even the player's moms, were
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: as excited as Rocos in the ownership group.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: There four hundred and forty six thousand dollars profit after
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: all their cost expenses. And that's me juicing a couple
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: of numbers as well.
• 42:29
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• 45:37
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• 45:39
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• 45:41
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