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Science & Spirituality/Occultism (Feat. Aleksander Czeszkiewicz) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Baby my game statue. It takes a little tangle.
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  Speaker 2: That's what.
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  Speaker 3: Gatch baby game statue.
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  Speaker 4: For the warning, this podcast is designed to take you
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  outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality.
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  Listener discretion is a vibek Fellas.
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  Speaker 5: This ain't my first time at the rodeo. We don't
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  talk any more.
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  Speaker 3: We don't talk any more, but we don't talk any more.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 7: This episode, we got a bunch of rejects with us
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  and a returning guest, Alexander. It was awesome guest the
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  last time we had him on, and I really wanted
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  to get him on again.
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  Speaker 6: And we already got other topics for him to talk about.
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  Speaker 7: So this should be fun and get used to it.
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  Speaker 6: We'll be on again.
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  Speaker 7: But before we introduce him, let me introduce the rejects.
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  We got Julia back with us today.
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  Speaker 6: What is going on? Julia? It's great to see you again.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 5: Nick.
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  Speaker 9: I am meeting Alexander for the first time today, so
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  excited to be a part of the conversation.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks for having me, of course, thank you.
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  Speaker 6: And we got Ethan Indigo. What is going on? Sir?
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  Speaker 1: Peace on Earth?
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  Speaker 2: Honor to be here with everyone. Great to learn what
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  Alexander said today, and I'm on all the usual social
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  media easy to find.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks Nick everyone, of course, no, thank you for making
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  it my man and we got my boy Tyrone.
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  Speaker 6: What is going on, sir? How are you?
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  Speaker 10: What's going on? This is like the fourth or fifth time.
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  And then talk to Alexander. It's always a pleasure to intelligent. Yeah, right,
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  it's very It's always an awesome time to you know,
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  sit back and listen to what he has to share
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  from his uh through his journey of educating himself and
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  so on and so forth. Everything you can find on
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  myself is on Rebirth of theWord dot com. Also have
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  a book, Journey through the Origins of History that's on Amazon.
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  Speaker 6: Of course I knew that some people would forget.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate her.
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  Speaker 10: I appreciate that. I got Ethan's book right here, how
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  to Meditate, the Geometry of Energy, How to Meditate.
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  Speaker 1: You got to get his book.
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  Speaker 10: And then of course I got Alexander's but I got
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  that too.
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  Speaker 6: But I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to get it started.
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  Speaker 7: Well, No, thank you, I'm glad you. I'm glad you
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  joined us. And we got the Headless Giant. What is
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  going on?
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  Speaker 6: Bud?
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  Speaker 2: Hey?
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  Speaker 11: You doing everybody? It's beautiful Saturday. I'm glad to be
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  on here with Alex Andrew. He sounds like a legend.
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  I can't believe I've been sleeping on this. I'm ready
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  to see it. You can find me on YouTube and
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  X look for a Headless Giant And if you have
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  any weird occult stories, you can send them to my
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  email at the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com
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  and we will read those out on Thursday nights. So
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  check that out. Thank you forget Trialogus tomorrow with Ethan,
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  So it's gonna be good.
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  Speaker 7: Hell yeah, definitely check out the trialog And if you
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  got any stories to Headless, throwing your address in there
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  and I'll send you some free stickies for the story,
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  you know, So make it worth it worth your while
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  to send an email.
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  Speaker 6: All right, Jena Ninja, what is going on? Friday?
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  Speaker 1: Hey boss? What's up?
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  Speaker 12: Mister ninety three? Okay, So if you want to follow me,
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  I'm not woucom. We're Born to be uk O and
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  g Reborn. That's my personal account on Twitter, or you
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  can follow the show at Threshold Saints Thresholds, Saint's Apple
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  and Spotify and all your podcast providers. My episode with
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  Jadavid Osborne, will I think drop tonight. I think that's
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  what I said it for, so yeah, that's happening. And
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  then also thank you so much for inviting me. And
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  then also is my second time speaking with Alexander, and
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  I want to also shout out of course the Gray Lodge, which.
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  Speaker 1: Is kind of taking off.
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  Speaker 12: So we do have a YouTube channel now and we
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  do big spaces and we get really good numbers.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're.
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  Speaker 12: Interested in speculative ontology, speculative narcissism, speculative cali chakra which
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  is basically just tontra. But if you're interested in those, yes,
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  you can subscribe to the Gray loadge YouTube channel and
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  all of our episodes are uploaded, including and the Daughter,
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  so awesome, great work to the boys there, and yeah,
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  I'm really excited.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you of course, no, thank you, And people definitely
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  go check out his great lunch stuff. I highly suggested
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  before we introduce the guests, though, I did want you
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  to bring up I had mentioned before about the free
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  stickers with head lists. I got free stickers with people
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  if they want any. We could see him too well
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  up there. I'll send those out for you. And we
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  got t shirts that have that in the Silent Rainbow
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  logo on them as well that I'm selling to try
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  to help with the events that we have that'll list
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  real quick. We gotta have a bunch of events that
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  the occult rejects will be at. Tyrone will be there
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  at most of them, and hopefully some other rejects might
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  show up at the other one's fingers crossed. October fourth,
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  we got a big Foot thing at the Factory and Franklin,
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  North Carolina, we'll be there. October eighteenth, we got Charlie's
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  Beyond Belief and that is in Fort Myers, Florida, and
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  it's at a Masonic lodge and we are booth number
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  thirty three. I had to pick that one, so yeah,
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  they let us pick our boots. I was like, of course,
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  I'm gonna pick thirty three. You know it's either that
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  at seventeen. So yeah, we got that booth and that's yeah,
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  October eighteenth and Fort Myers again, Charlie's Beyond Belief, and
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  then October twenty fifth and twenty six will be in
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  Arkansas and that will be at the Paranormal Expo. It's
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  supposed to be like the biggest yearly thing for the
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  paranormal in Arkansas.
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  Speaker 6: That is two days. We'll be there then.
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  Speaker 7: And then there's one confirmed for the twenty second that
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  is another UF thing, and that will be in Mooresville,
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  North Carolina at the Army National Guard. There's two other ones,
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  but I don't have like definite addresses, but those are
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  definitely will have a booth that Tyrone will probably be
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  at most of them, except for maybe the Arkansas thing.
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  Jewels may make it from uh he said, you know,
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  he's gonna try to make it.
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  Speaker 6: He lives not too.
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  Speaker 7: Far away, so yeah, fingers crossed. There will be a
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  few other rejects there besides me. And these are old
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  cheap events. They are like ten or fifteen dollars each,
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  so even if you don't like us, you could show
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  up to tell us to go fuck off for ten
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  books so or even put it this way, they're so
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  cheap that if the speakers suck, you could just hang
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  out with us at the booth for a while.
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  Speaker 6: No, there you go, so regardless, I think it's worth
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  it if you're in the area.
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  Speaker 7: Now I'm gonna shut up, and we're gonna bring on
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  Alexander and real quick. He did send me his book.
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  Very nice guy. He sent me a wait, I gotta
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  close this note tablet. There we go. Yeah, send me
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  this book. I just got it a few days ago.
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  That's what's up. I'm definitely gonna check it out. Thank you, Alexander,
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  and please let everybody know what your deal is for
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  the people that don't know who you are.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, my name is Alexandroskevich and I'm from Poland. I'm
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  we would say, researcher, and I'm an author. This book
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  that I've sent you, originally in Polish, was written by
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  me just at the age of seventeen, and then because
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  of the law, I needed to wait until the eighteenth
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  birthday to publish it. So it was published first in
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  Poland at my age of eighteen, and then I translated
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  it into English at nineteen. So it was many people say,
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  early journey into all of that. But still it's, you know,
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  a full book, No, like just some short crap like
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  nowadays Amazon and other platforms are flooded with some short
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  AI crab. No, it was even before the age of AI.
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  I think two years or three years ago. Appeared, So
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  it was before that, and my first interest was history,
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  lost history, how it really turned out, lost civilizations? Could
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  there be something before you know, the alleged first civilizations
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  like ancient Sunmu Egypt and in a But I went
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  beyond it because in order to understand history, you need
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  also other branches of science and a lot of knowledge
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  from other sources, other types of knowledge, not only historical ones.
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  So I branched out, and I would say that now nowadays,
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  I'm concerned with the biggest mysteries of the entire universe, existence,
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  whatever you may call. And that's why in the previous
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  episode we talked about lost civilizations and stuff like that
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  about my book. But in this one we'll talk a
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  little bit about science, about universe, about reality, how it
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  all works, how science, like in the title of our
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  conversation is limited to a very large extent, What does
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  it mean, what does it imply? And many other stuff.
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  But I will also talk about history today. It wouldn't
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  be only about science. And actually, when I started going,
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  because as I mentioned, I started with history, I was
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  going to plenty of competitions. I even had, you know,
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  some kind of places like top ten in these competitions
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  which were regional, like an entire district of Poland. And
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  I needed to learn a lot, a lot about our history.
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  And when I was reading that, learning that, I started
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  questioning stuff, is it really like that? Was ancient Summer
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  really the first civilizations? And why are we Why are
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  scientists skeptics telling us that you know any idea of
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  previous civilizations or humanity being much older than ancient summer.
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  It's ridiculous, according to them. So I started researching and researching,
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  and in order to find out why they are thinking
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  like that, that no, Atlantis didn't exist, and the Lemuria
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  is some scientific bs and so on. I eneded to
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  learn about science. I needed to learn about history from
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  philosophical perspective, you know, the methodology behind history. How we
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  know so much about our history and so on. So
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  that's how I started to be interested in science, because
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  I found out that science is very very misunderstood nowadays,
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  at least in general public, and science seems in all
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  I would even say propaganda or in all types of
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  promotions of science seems to be like a pristine method
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  of uncovering the truth, the real truth about the world
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  and anything besides science as I mentioned is called pseudoscience,
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  some you know, crap, some kind of scum, and so
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  on and so on. So this science is being positioned in
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  the media, in the educational system, and in our day
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  to day lives as you know, the ultimate method of discovering,
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  let's say truth. This is how science is presented to
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  us and how many people believe science is. And you know,
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  we learn, we learn more about science, how it can
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  actually tell us a lot about physical universe, or it
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  is in the blink on the blink of discovering the
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  ultimate theory of everything of how the entire universe and
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  reality works. But the saying was there, I think since
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  the eighties are sixties and we are in twenty twenty five,
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  so you know, it's another thing. But this is the
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  picture that we are being you know, informed about it.
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  This is the only thing that it's that comes to
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  the truth. And if anyone isn't a scientist, his camera
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  sudo science is so parascientists even, and all of those
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  people are saying or are telling people this is all
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  bs and not truth, and only science has I would say,
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  the monopoly on truth. And I think that this is
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  the bad thing about science, that science should be about,
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  you know, getting the knowledge about the world, going to
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  the truth or to the information that is true that
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  you know, it's represented truly in the reality. But science
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  is becoming a monopoly on knowledge and this is a
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  bad thing. And you know, in the Western world. So
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  because I come from Poland so a little bit still Eastern,
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  we have a lot of Eastern influences here, or we
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  had in the past. And I would say in the
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  Western world at least nowadays, maybe not in the past.
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  Science is only the science we are talking about, you know,
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  scientific research, scientific journals, scientific articles, physics, biology, chemistry. But
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  here in Poland, up until today, the word science in
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  our language is nauka. And this world, which is science,
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  does not mean the science like biology, physics and all
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  of these genres of science. Now it means just acquiring knowledge.
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  So here in Poland we still have I think the
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  best definition in my opinion of science, that science should
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  be about acquiring knowledge. You know, if let's say right now,
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  I had no information, not knowledge about anything, and I
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  was just living sitting here, I know, previous information, no memory,
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  and I would want to start from scratch. I wouldn't
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  assume anything. I would go Okay, this is like that.
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  Let's see, let's experiment and so on, and it would
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  be free one. And this is how science actually started.
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  But then step by step I think it became more
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  and more limited. And I will show you today why
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  it became more and more limited. And as I mentioned
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  this example, that I'm sitting here and I want to
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  get the knowledge about the world, the truth, let's say,
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  or just how the universe existence around me is. I
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  wouldn't assume anything that, Okay, only white exists, but black, No,
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  only white things exist. No, I wouldn't assume that. If
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  I wanted the truth about the entire workings of our reality,
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  I wouldn't say, oh, only let's say organisms, living organisms exist,
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  but you know, unalivee stuff like rocks there doesn't exist. No,
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  I wouldn't say that. But actually science is based on
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  something like that. And this is called assumptions of science.
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  So the main assumptions, as I mentioned, assumption can be Okay,
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  if I want to discover the reality, I would say
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  one assumption reality exists, because if I assume that reality
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  doesn't exist, So what I am searching for? What I
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  am measuring, Let's say, what I am experiment about it
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  would be logical. So we need some assumptions. We cannot
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  have zero assumptions. This is the philosophy of science. But
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  science started having more and more assumptions as it grew.
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  As I mentioned, the first one would be just things exist,
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  and let's say, you know, I will try to figure
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  out what the entire reality is all about. But then
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  science are quite more introduced, actually more and more assumptions
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  which were more and more limiting. And just as no
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  things exist, I am limiting the idea that things doesn't exist,
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  this all illusion, et cetera.
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  Speaker 11: But then so you're talking more about theory of science. Right,
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  So science, right, the philosophy of science goes into the stuff,
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  but it gets rarely examined by the general public. They're
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  not thinking about science. They're looking at the end goal
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  of it, and instead they've ignored the beginning part of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, That's what I'm talking about. That you know,
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  we are giving this image to the general public that
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  science is all about discovering the truth. But what I'm
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  what I want to show you, all of you that
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  science actually, at its philosophical core, isn't about that that
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  we think. Oh, science is about understanding the reality or
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  about acquiring the knowledge of truth, and so on and
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  so on. No, and as I mentioned, the first assumption
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  would be things exist. It should be needed in order
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  to get the things you know, to measure the things
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  that say and do anything with them. So I am
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  first limited that, okay, things cannot non exist. Let's say
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  it cannot be that there is nothing in the universe
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  because we see, okay, things exist. But then there are
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  limitations and other assumptions in science, like for instance, naturalism,
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  are sometimes called materialism, but to be precise philosophically, for skeptics,
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  it is called naturalism, and it says that all the
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  natural things, so all the things we see naturally that
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  are occurring in our reality have natural causes. So in short,
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  there is nothing supernatural in the world. There aren't supernatural
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  causes of natural things. Like the best example would be
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  some kind of mythology in which you know, thunderstorms are
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  being created by some god. But now we have science
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  which explains how thunderstorms appear in the world, and we
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  see that it isn't that there isn't any supernatural cause.
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  So science now with the assumption, is limiting itself. Okay,
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  only things in matter, only things natural exists, nothing supernatural.
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  This is the best example of that. And I said
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  naturalism or materialism, because it is further described that only
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  what exists in what exists is only matter in its interaction.
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  So what we see is the domain of stuff that
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  science is applied to. Science is only applied to the
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  natural world and only to matter and its interactions. So
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  interactions would be some forces of matter, magnetism, electromagnetism, actually gravity,
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  and all the fields because they are also dependent on matter.
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  There cannot be filled without matter. Always there is matter
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  in this equation. So what we see is let's assume
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  things exist. There is something universe, world, reality, anything. But
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  now we are closing the gap of knowledge. Let's say
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  our initial gap was everything that exists. We are measuring
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  things because we see. Okay, I have a hand, so
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  I'm measuring things that exist. I have some kind of
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  desk here and so on. But now we are limiting ourselves. Okay,
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  only matter and its interaction exists, which, in my opinion
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  is stupid and in my opinion, cannot show us the
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  automate truth because what if the truth is non physical,
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  non material, what if it is beyond the domain It's
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  like we have the biggest bubble, which would mean like
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  the entire existence, all the things that exist, but we
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  have inside of it a smaller bubble of only natural world,
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  only matter and its interactions, and science is only applied
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  to this. And then another assumption which I do not
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  agree is, and to say funny one, it is sometimes
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  called rationalism that everything that is within science should be
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  understandable by humans or let's say some kind of logical things,
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  So there is nothing let's say irrational completely or there
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  is nothing beyond our human understands, which I'm also opposed.
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  And I think that science can actually debank itself on
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  this one, because we see, for instance, evolution, I believe
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  that we are more than just material human beings. This
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  body is, these advanced animals, advanced hominis, advanced monkeys. However,
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  I think that we have also some kind of part
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  of our brain, maybe it's even the dominant one, that
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  is material part of thinking. And what science is trying
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  to explain is that everything that science applies to can
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  be understood by this by let's say, our brains are minds,
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  are biological kinds of mind. And I see a quick
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  debanking of it in science because we see that how minds,
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  how brains evolved, they evolved to fit evolutionary purposes. So
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  they evolved in order for a particular organism to survive,
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  let's say humans. So I say to myself, just speculating,
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  what if our human minds are not not capable of
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  getting to the automate truth because this ultimate truth was
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  not needed for us to survive. We have let's say,
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  a bit much a bit more advanced brains or logic,
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  et cetera than other animals, but not all because other
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  are more advanced, like dolphins, in other kind of brain
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  and mind things. How what I mean is that, you know,
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  we are a bit more advanced that we can speculate
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  about the universe, we can measure, we can create stuff
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  and put this stuff into space. Let's say, but what
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  if still we are limited that just by using our
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  brains and material biological minds, we wouldn't be ever you know,
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  into searching for the automate truth. So I see, even
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  science by the evolutionary branch, and all of the advancements
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  can a bit of the bank that this idea, this
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  primary notion, primary assumption in how the science works in
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  the philosophy and all the fundamentals of science that you know,
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  everything should be based on rationalism. And I think, what
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  if the rational mind wasn't there to explain the truth
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  about the universe, but what it was if it was
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  just for us to survive and to get better, and
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  you know, to dominate the world and to dominate the
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  other species, because probably this was why humans evolved in
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  this rout and not the other. So these are the
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  two main assumptions of science that are limiting it from
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  the idea of getting into truth, getting into knowledge about
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  the universe too, getting only the logical parts of the
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  assumption of rationalism, and getting only the material part of
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  the physical universe. So we see, and this is the
• 21:45
  image that is often overlooked when it comes to media,
• 21:49
  when it comes to you know, learning science, that science
• 21:53
  isn't about the automate truth. But is this only about
• 21:56
  how the material world here raationally logically works here only
• 22:02
  in the material physical realm, which is I think a
• 22:05
  good tool because sometimes if I want to focus, let's
• 22:08
  say I want to repair a car, I don't need
• 22:11
  to you know, speculate and think of the entire universe. No,
• 22:14
  I need to have the applied knowledge on how to
• 22:17
  repair a particular car engine or anything that there is
• 22:21
  in this car. So the engineering knowledge and the same here.
• 22:25
  If we want to discover the best way how the
• 22:29
  physical universe work, we will have to apply science, which
• 22:33
  is all about the physical material world, and we will see, Okay,
• 22:36
  biology works like that, physical reality works like that. These
• 22:40
  are the loss of Newton. These are the loss of
• 22:42
  the universe. But we will be still limited and we
• 22:45
  want get the knowledge about the big picture of the
• 22:49
  entire thing spirituality and why this is important. It's important because,
• 22:52
  as I mentioned at the beginning, science is at least
• 22:56
  since you know, the famous event of the world. Why
• 23:00
  I won't say, I don't want for to be taken away,
• 23:04
  but from I think this was the epogeum of this propaganda,
• 23:09
  I would say that science is the only way we
• 23:12
  should you know, thing when it comes to living here
• 23:16
  as human beings, that science is the only route, and
• 23:18
  science according to this.
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: Yes, have you ever heard of Parmanides, the leader of
• 23:26
  the Eleatic school in So he's the guy who comes
• 23:31
  up with ontology, which is the rational basis for science.
• 23:35
  And he got there by going on a massive trip, right,
• 23:39
  maybe a drug trip, maybe some sort of spiritual trip.
• 23:42
  But he goes outside of his body and he witnesses
• 23:44
  this Queen of the Night and she tells him that
• 23:47
  A equals Hey, there cannot be no non contradiction in
• 23:51
  the universe. And he's getting this from a spiritual vision.
• 23:54
  And that's the basis for science. So when you understand
• 23:58
  the irony of all these science worry toss saying we
• 24:01
  can't go back to the basis of science for our
• 24:04
  science now, it's kind of ridiculous.
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: I was actually going to say something like that, headless,
• 24:10
  because it seems like to me, science now is basically
• 24:14
  just removing any spirituality whatsoever.
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: Like I get it. We have a physical brain and
• 24:20
  we use it to like wipe our ass and like
• 24:23
  go to.
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: The grocery store. But there is so many levels to that.
• 24:27
  You have your mind, which you get information all the
• 24:31
  time that is not from you sometimes and you wonder,
• 24:36
  like how am I able to process this? Where did
• 24:38
  I come from before I was born? That doesn't come
• 24:41
  from your physical brain, That comes from somewhere outside of yourself.
• 24:45
  So it's like science has completely removed the beautiful spiritual
• 24:51
  connectedness of everything.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Yes, these are two great ideas, great examples, and I
• 24:57
  wanted to go into the spirituality out of further because
• 25:00
  this is, you know, connecting what I've just talked about
• 25:04
  with the spirituality kind of thing. But let's say about
• 25:07
  the monopoly on knowledge. This is the bad because nowadays science,
• 25:11
  as I mentioned at the beginning before explaining all of this,
• 25:14
  is saying us only science can lead you to the
• 25:17
  true knowledge about anything. But actually, as I mentioned, here
• 25:22
  are the limitations of science. So what if I am
• 25:25
  going beyond the domain of where the science is applied,
• 25:29
  then you know, science eliminate that the scientists this is
• 25:33
  a scam, This is some kind of grift, et cetera, hoax,
• 25:37
  And this is the bad thing that science is having
• 25:40
  monopoly because I understand that science could have monopoly on
• 25:43
  the material world because of all of their achievements. Let's
• 25:47
  say they figured out how, you know, the physical laws,
• 25:50
  et cetera. Okay, they may have, they may be the
• 25:53
  leader in this kind of domain, but you know, they
• 25:57
  are going into what is outside of their main And
• 26:00
  I often laugh about you know, science is telling us
• 26:04
  things about spirituality or something, but actually spirituality, God and
• 26:10
  plenty aspects of religions are, you know, not in the
• 26:13
  domain of science for science to comment it. So, actually, spirituality,
• 26:18
  any kind of metaphysics, metaphysics, meta, beyond physics. It is
• 26:23
  all beyond the bubble of domain where science is applied.
• 26:27
  So science actually should not comment at all about that.
• 26:30
  Let's say I'm the mechanic, you're the biologist, and I
• 26:33
  know things about the mechanical stuff. Okay, this is maybe
• 26:37
  a bad example because I can tell you about the
• 26:40
  mechanical parts of our bodies, but I do not know
• 26:43
  shit about you know, biology, cells and everything, and it
• 26:46
  would be like, oh, I'm a mechanic, and I would
• 26:49
  tell you, no, you're wrong about being biologists. No, it
• 26:52
  is not about Selles, mito hundred and stuff like that.
• 26:56
  So actually, anything metaphysical spiritual should be from the phinician
• 27:00
  that I mentioned, from the philosophy of science, outside of
• 27:04
  the domain of science. So, in my opinion, science should
• 27:08
  not have any kind of dominion, any kind of monopoly
• 27:11
  on knowledge, because knowledge can exist outside of science. It
• 27:14
  can be knowledge of the things that are just outside
• 27:19
  the physical realm, and it connects to spirituality of course, religion,
• 27:23
  and you know the thing that all science explains everything
• 27:27
  in the physical world. We do not need any kind
• 27:29
  of religion. We can be atheists. And I think I
• 27:34
  mentioned it at the end of the last conversation about
• 27:37
  my little conspiracy theory of the entire world and how
• 27:42
  it works. I think it's a step by step process
• 27:46
  of limiting our spirituality, ending in going in getting us
• 27:52
  as human beings into a complete physical like getting us
• 27:56
  into the physical realm, blocking us from anything so spiritual mystical,
• 28:01
  out of physical metaphysical, and you know, maybe later turning
• 28:06
  us into robots. You know, all the trends, humanism, agenda
• 28:10
  and so on. I think that this is one of
• 28:12
  the steps, and I think it goes it manifests throughout
• 28:16
  the entire history that we started let's say, with just
• 28:19
  spiritual beliefs, then the first shamanism and so on, then religions,
• 28:25
  but still for instance, first religions where polyteistic. They explain that, oh,
• 28:29
  there are plenty of different forces of nature that those
• 28:32
  people thought were gods, etc. And then you know, we
• 28:36
  are being more and more limited when it comes to
• 28:39
  our spirituality, like closed in a smaller and smaller cage.
• 28:42
  Let's say the first stage was just pure spirituality, than shamanism,
• 28:47
  causer cage. Then polytaistic religions, so still plenty of possibilities,
• 28:52
  but then limited also by Brahman for instance in India
• 28:56
  and other you know kind of priests in other religions.
• 28:59
  Then monotistic religion, so only one god, all the other
• 29:03
  gods do not exist, or all the other forces and
• 29:07
  gods and stuff are bad, et cetera. And this thing
• 29:12
  that there's hell and heaven and you need to think
• 29:15
  like that and act like that in order to go
• 29:17
  to heaven. So the next limitation, and the furthest limitation,
• 29:21
  would be, Okay, there is no spirituality. There isn't heaven
• 29:25
  or hell. You die, it's over. You do not have
• 29:28
  any psychic abilities. There is nothing out of physical there
• 29:31
  is nothing spiritual, and I think it's coming. And the
• 29:34
  last stage of that is, as I say, a little
• 29:38
  bit conspiracy theory. I do not know if it is correct,
• 29:41
  but there are plenty of arguments for it, and I
• 29:44
  think the next step would be Okay, people are so
• 29:47
  manipulated even right now, but maybe let's say in ten
• 29:50
  twenty fifty years into believing that there's only the physical realm,
• 29:54
  there is nothing spiritual. They you know, gave up and
• 29:56
  the idea of spirituality. Now let's close them in some
• 30:00
  kind of robots machines connect them by chips in their
• 30:04
  brain and and someone, and now we are fully limited
• 30:08
  from who we really are. At a bigger picture, we
• 30:11
  are more and more limited, and then we are just
• 30:15
  just biological machines or part biological machines. Even at this
• 30:19
  point we are part humans, part of course some kind
• 30:22
  of technology AI, and we are the most limited. So
• 30:26
  this is my take on it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: I'm on board with that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: I think I think that that could be very true.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: Also, I think that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: They target your different parts of your brain with pharmaceuticals,
• 30:42
  and everybody's on some kind of fucking pharmaceutical these days,
• 30:46
  So talk about shutting off your spirituality. A lot of
• 30:49
  like antidepressants, antipsychotic medication, The active ingredient is fluoride. They
• 30:56
  put it fluoride in your water, You shower with it,
• 30:58
  preuss your teeth with it, wash your clothes in it.
• 31:01
  Then you take antidepressants that further calcifies your brain. And
• 31:06
  then we wonder how we got to like non spiritual.
• 31:11
  I'm just you know, going along to get along. It's
• 31:15
  because they're actually inducing like a pharmaceutical lobotomy, and that's
• 31:22
  that's where we're at. I think that they would love
• 31:24
  to see us as robots because they were more easy
• 31:28
  to control.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Yes, also to add to that, it doesn't need to
• 31:32
  be like things we eat or we take some drugs,
• 31:35
  but it can be also first one, propaganda and making
• 31:39
  us from little kids into only the left analyticological part
• 31:44
  of the brain. And you mentioned lobotomi. There were some
• 31:47
  kind of experiments of you know, how right hemisphere is acting,
• 31:52
  how lefts hemisphere is acting. And when they cut us
• 31:55
  out of the left hemisphere this time, people were having
• 32:00
  you know, spiritual things all the time. They even couldn't
• 32:03
  feel where there is a boundary between them and the
• 32:07
  outside world. They're like, couldn't you know, And they couldn't
• 32:11
  analytically logically fready thing at all. So I think that
• 32:15
  they won't also ask by just you know, practice, practice,
• 32:18
  practice stimulating left side, left side of the brain, you know,
• 32:22
  killing any kind This was actually I think clearly shown
• 32:26
  during the Cold War postmodernism, you know here in Eastern
• 32:30
  Europe to just you know everything gray, nothing you know,
• 32:34
  fun and nothing artistic, no artistic expression. You should be
• 32:38
  just like calculator. Just you know, do MAVs do physics
• 32:41
  or learn to be a lawyer when it comes to humanity,
• 32:44
  but you know, you do not have any artistic expression
• 32:47
  and so on. And I think this is the part
• 32:49
  that even for propaganda, we do not need to eat anything.
• 32:53
  They can you know, get us like eighteen ninety percent
• 32:56
  into the left hemisphere, and we are very limited because
• 32:58
  even we are not the full capacicities of our brain.
• 33:02
  And maybe this right side of the brain is much
• 33:05
  more connected to spirituality or other parts like the pineal
• 33:08
  gland and you mentioned calcification by fluoride and other stuff.
• 33:12
  But also nowadays we are in an age that they
• 33:16
  can go into two routes. One, they can analyze how
• 33:21
  the brain a few works, like you know, put a
• 33:24
  headset on you and check out to seventy percent about
• 33:28
  according to them, what you think or what you are
• 33:32
  thinking about approximately maybe not the entire thing you visualize
• 33:36
  and all the information, but they can, you know, predict
• 33:40
  what you are thinking about. So they can control you
• 33:42
  in this way. But they can also control you in
• 33:44
  a different way that you know, for instance, by putting
• 33:48
  electric signals in your brain. Then they can like trigger memories.
• 33:53
  They can trigger certain thoughts about okay, m hand grail
• 33:56
  will go to something and so on. So maybe, you know,
• 33:59
  future technology could easily not like we've advanced something now,
• 34:03
  just with current technology, make some implants into your head,
• 34:08
  or maybe with some nanotechnology that you are not even
• 34:11
  aware of and enable it to put advertisements in your mind,
• 34:16
  you know what I mean. To some extent, I think
• 34:18
  that our imagination is actually connected to something beyond the
• 34:22
  physical one. But I think that they can dominate your
• 34:24
  brain easily. And if they dominate constant simulation, in constant
• 34:29
  stimulation on or when we are in the survival state,
• 34:32
  we are not thinking about the universe and stuff like that,
• 34:36
  how it works about philosophy. Now we are shrinked, and
• 34:40
  I think that this is the technology that they can do.
• 34:42
  We do not even need to eat anything to do that.
• 34:45
  But this is a bit dystopian, and I'm optimistic. I
• 34:49
  think that, you know, maybe it's not our scenario for
• 34:52
  the new future.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: Something I want to say between Julia and a new Alexander,
• 35:00
  I thought of an illment, Gilchrist. I think I'm saying
• 35:02
  his name right, somebody that I've wanted to get on
• 35:04
  the show. He has an amazing book called The.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: The Master and his Emissary.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: I have it, and I've only read a little bit
• 35:12
  here and there, but you know, I've watched him do
• 35:14
  presentations on it and talk about it, and he says, like,
• 35:17
  right now, he thinks there's a huge problem with that,
• 35:19
  like we're all basically like way too much on the
• 35:21
  left side of the brain, and that that part of
• 35:24
  the brain will like start to lie to you if
• 35:26
  you get like a scared or afraid to make sense
• 35:28
  of stuff. He says, So like we're kind of like
• 35:31
  creating our own realities to deal with life at this
• 35:35
  point and not acknowledging for what it really is.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: It's fucking free.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, one hundred.
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: I think that they've been developing this kind of technology
• 35:44
  from like the sixties though.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: I think as soon as it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: Rolled out like TV, yeah, you know, and it's like
• 35:52
  you were saying, they could put something in your head
• 35:54
  that makes you crave taco bell all the time, Well,
• 35:56
  that shit is already happening, because you know, with the
• 36:00
  way they advertise drugs, food, everything, flashing lights, constant programming,
• 36:08
  I think that they've already found a way without even touching.
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: You physically to.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: Disrupt how your brain is supposed to work, just from
• 36:19
  like watching movies, shows whatever.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: Electronic explain.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, your phone.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Yes, I'm also afraid you know all the electromagnetic connection,
• 36:30
  and you know some newer things like no Wi Fi
• 36:35
  or G five and so on. But I think that
• 36:37
  you know, maybe in their secret like experiments or maybe
• 36:41
  the new future, they would be able to know to
• 36:43
  do everything remotely. Now you are just going going, or
• 36:46
  maybe they will input you some kind of nano stuff
• 36:49
  that you're not even aware of it, maybe even just
• 36:52
  breathed it in while you were outside of your homework
• 36:56
  and at your home, and you know, you're walking walking,
• 36:59
  and then you're doing something that it is not you,
• 37:02
  but they controlling you through your nervous system. And nervous
• 37:05
  system is actually I think easy to control because it
• 37:08
  is electromagnetic to some extent electric, so you know, different impulses.
• 37:13
  Just like I mentioned, this is an old actual technology
• 37:16
  as you mentioned sixty seventies, probably that just putting different
• 37:20
  impulses in special parts of the brain can result in
• 37:24
  now you remember your most traumatic one you have like
• 37:27
  a vision like a memory, or they make you hand
• 37:30
  grains so on, the same with manipulation. You mentioned fluoride,
• 37:34
  but other chemicals that are you know, messing up with
• 37:37
  the hormones. They can do a lot of things with
• 37:40
  our body. And that's why I think all the propaganda
• 37:44
  and all the things it is going toward is eliminating spirituality,
• 37:49
  anything beyond physical because if you think that you are
• 37:52
  only the physical material body machine, let's say biological, you
• 37:58
  are limited. And you know, you think maybe even if
• 38:02
  you're aware of what we are talking about, that they
• 38:04
  can control you in all the possible ways. You are like, oh,
• 38:08
  I can't do anything about that. You know, they will
• 38:10
  get the noneo stuff. I will, you know, do that,
• 38:14
  I will maybe even kill some people that and so on.
• 38:16
  You're not aware of that, you are actually aware, but
• 38:19
  you are, you know, in this depressing state. And I
• 38:22
  think that's why they want to kill the spirituality to say, okay,
• 38:26
  you see now our enemies let's say you know usay
• 38:29
  in other countries like China or Russia, these countries can
• 38:34
  do that, so you have to abide us or if
• 38:37
  it's a vice versa here on the eastern side of
• 38:41
  the world, you need to be careful, you know, Western things,
• 38:44
  but they can control you, and you need to obey us,
• 38:47
  the government, and so on. So I think this is
• 38:50
  why it's going into the material one because if you
• 38:53
  know about spirituality, if you truly experience it, you are
• 38:56
  not fearing anything. You know, the death is not the end,
• 39:00
  and so on, So you have a different mindset to go.
• 39:04
  Even even if it existed into that into this negative
• 39:07
  these stop and stuff, you have a completely different attitude
• 39:10
  towards it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to add that there are definitely these
• 39:18
  modern really institutionalizations to kind of make people not be
• 39:25
  sensitive and even or intuitive. And even that word has
• 39:30
  a kind of trigger to it, right, like, oh, you're
• 39:32
  so sensitive. People use that as a really derogatory in
• 39:37
  a sense kind of word, when actually.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: It's programming subconscious.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: It's an example of programming which we do to ourselves.
• 39:45
  I think.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: I cannot be sensitive, right right.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: That's a great example the hardness and softness. Like with
• 39:57
  Taichi for health, we want to integrate offness and sensitivity
• 40:02
  and not be hard because when you're rigid, you really
• 40:06
  you you lose your ability. In flexibility, there is the
• 40:11
  potential for rigidity, not an In rigidity, there's no flexibility
• 40:16
  and a lot of this modern institutionalization and even verbal
• 40:24
  tendencies and just cultural tendencies to be hard and rigid
• 40:29
  and not sensitive to the spiritual or non physical. I
• 40:34
  think may start within ourselves. In there's an in the
• 40:40
  reflective of the theory that are very eyesight and hearing
• 40:45
  and even the spectrum of what we might think about
• 40:51
  is said to be biologically hindered in order to maintain
• 40:57
  a survival and fight the bobcats and the wolves and
• 41:01
  the random bowls that come out of nowhere that you
• 41:04
  have to survive and getting food and so on. So
• 41:07
  all these the base programming and base place that we
• 41:12
  might be in. It was more the more frequent place
• 41:17
  right where we're just focusing on survival. So I think
• 41:22
  in reflect to that these biological circumstances. Now we have
• 41:26
  these modern examples, as you laid out so eloquently, Alexander,
• 41:32
  that maybe come from the same biological tendency to be
• 41:37
  in survival mode as a way to survive and not
• 41:42
  really look at these energies and these different qualities and
• 41:46
  or are very you know, people might call it our
• 41:51
  our dark side or our dark aspect of our consciousness.
• 41:56
  People really don't want to look at what is the
• 42:00
  biggest thing holding us back? Most often our selves are
• 42:07
  usually we're alone worst enemy, and people do not want
• 42:11
  to look at that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: In depth anyway. Yes, I agree, I agree.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Just to build No, I wasn't trying to disagree, just
• 42:21
  to build on like, Yes, we hold ourselves back, certainly
• 42:24
  institutionally and personally.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think it's a great example of you know
• 42:30
  how society or I mentioned the Eastern side, you know,
• 42:34
  or postmodernism one you know this. I don't want to
• 42:38
  call it philosophist school of thought or anything. I think
• 42:41
  it's like global phenomenon that you know, make you fit,
• 42:45
  that you need to fit into that, into that, and
• 42:47
  there are plenty of different ideologies that are you know,
• 42:50
  throwing people into a particular root when actually you can
• 42:54
  be free and you will see that, you know, it's
• 42:57
  just a root. Just as science, as I mentioned at
• 42:59
  the beginning, is limited in its own way, and science
• 43:02
  is only I would say, science is only a method
• 43:05
  of understanding physical with emphasist reality, and who knows, maybe
• 43:10
  even not entirely if we take into the consideration disrationalism
• 43:15
  thing that maybe our minds are not supposed to know everything.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think depending on where you are, even emotionally.
• 43:26
  I don't think there's certain things you should understand given
• 43:29
  times something like that. So to explain one thing I
• 43:35
  didn't want to bring up, it's a little bit kind
• 43:36
  of rough. I mean, it's about the science community. It's
• 43:40
  not kind of the way that you were going at it.
• 43:42
  But it's just a way for me to have a
• 43:44
  shameless plug for the show as well. One thing I
• 43:47
  do think is important within the science community, and I
• 43:50
  think a lot of people kind of sleep on it too.
• 43:52
  It was interesting for me when Lisa pitched it to
• 43:55
  the show or to me, it's not my topic, so
• 43:57
  I can't pat myself on the back of his hers.
• 43:59
  But even with Maxwell's family owning so much of the
• 44:03
  publication of scientific papers for so long, they basically controlled
• 44:09
  science certain aspects.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, it's just like.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: All science about different even outside of science, you know,
• 44:19
  there are people who own out even nowadays with the
• 44:22
  food industry, they are also like you see, okay, we
• 44:26
  have five big companies that control all the eighty percent
• 44:30
  of the food and you will see okay, but all
• 44:33
  these five hours under control of the one majoritly.
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: So right mcgarral Hill was the textbook maker that Maxwell
• 44:43
  owned for about three years and changed all of their
• 44:46
  policies how they you know, wrote their books and everything else.
• 44:50
  So that was coming straight out of this Epstein network.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: No, that is true, and I think for some reason,
• 44:58
  I think they had to do something with like German
• 45:00
  and Nazi stuff with Mocgrohill all the way.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: Can remember that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Well Germans actually because of it is very German and
• 45:08
  Nazis actually was a very interesting case because because of
• 45:13
  their isolation from the outside world during the World War,
• 45:18
  they actually started with completely different ideas and the Nazi
• 45:22
  science of nineteen forty four, so before the last year
• 45:26
  of the world in comparison to let's say American science
• 45:29
  and global science outside of Nazi Germany was completely completely different,
• 45:34
  just after a few like four or five years being
• 45:37
  isolated during the world during the Second World Wars, which
• 45:41
  shows you that maybe, you know, sometimes isolation can be
• 45:46
  a good thing because you won't think the same things
• 45:50
  as the other ones all over the world are thinking.
• 45:53
  So I think it's a good example that you know,
• 45:56
  we say, oh science, everyone agrees with saence and so on,
• 46:00
  but here you will say that after all these years
• 46:03
  of isolation, just a year is actually of isolation. Their science,
• 46:07
  their physics was a completely different, you know kind of thing.
• 46:11
  Even they went back to the beginnings and some of
• 46:14
  the prayer things. When it comes to physics, they you know, say, no,
• 46:18
  it's probably a little bit different. They weren't right in
• 46:22
  plenty of things. But actually when Western sciences discovered that
• 46:26
  they were heavily inspired that wait, what is it, so.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: Are you talking about You're talking about Nazis.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Yes, Nazis science was completely different. And that's why you know,
• 46:38
  all these conspiracies about NASA, NASA and their influence with
• 46:45
  the Nazi scientists, because plenty of Nazi science citis in
• 46:48
  order not to be killed their benefit but also benefit
• 46:52
  of the United States and other countries to have the
• 46:55
  best scientists on their team were you know, taken, not killed,
• 46:59
  and taken into the USA. Plenty of Nazi scientists. And
• 47:03
  it turned out that, as I mentioned, four or five
• 47:05
  years of their isolation, their science was like a sci
• 47:09
  fi one. That's why they were you know, all these
• 47:12
  hidden projects like UFO, the Glocka, these were here in Poland.
• 47:17
  Plenty of these projects were created here in Poland. Actually,
• 47:21
  the Glocka they're kind of youthful, this hornet kind of
• 47:25
  craft that later inspired the American stealth, these fighters, which
• 47:31
  are like out of sci fi movie. So Nazi science
• 47:35
  was really out of this world because they were also
• 47:37
  heavily influenced before that by occultism. Because before even the
• 47:44
  like nsdaap so the party Nationalists of Hitler Nationalist Party
• 47:50
  became a power in Germany, even before that at the
• 47:53
  end of eighteen hundreds, at the beginning of the nineteen hundreds,
• 47:57
  they had their roots in occultism because there's plenty of
• 48:01
  their members were into that. Later when the Nazis came
• 48:05
  into power in Germany, there even started projects, as I mentioned,
• 48:09
  of these physics, but also projects on non material staff
• 48:13
  projects about uncovering hidden history. Even you know him La,
• 48:17
  so you know, one of the biggest guys when it
• 48:20
  comes to Nazis. After Hitler was trying to search for Atlantis.
• 48:24
  And now you see, for instance, I don't know if
• 48:26
  you know, Flint Dibble and other skeptics who are selling, oh,
• 48:30
  Graham Ankok is bad because of his Ancient apocalypt series
• 48:34
  and so on. They are telling that this idea of
• 48:38
  trying to search for lost civilizations is racist is fastest,
• 48:43
  it's Nazi. Even some of the people, maybe not this
• 48:47
  one that I mentioned, but other in this kind of
• 48:49
  field telling us because for the history, people were using
• 48:53
  that for bad things. But you know why they are
• 48:56
  telling us, no, we cannot search for Atlantis because we
• 48:59
  would be racist, nazy and so on, because we are
• 49:03
  you know, No, it's I think it shouldn't be like that,
• 49:07
  and I think it's a bad thinking, illogical thinking, even
• 49:10
  in my opinion that you know, you take these people
• 49:13
  into this like oh this Atlantis hunters or lost civilizations hunters,
• 49:18
  they are racists or these methods are racist. No, just racists, fascists.
• 49:25
  Nazis were using this knowledge for their purposes because Nazis
• 49:30
  wanted to show that there Arian race. So the Germans,
• 49:35
  true Germans, were coming from some kind of loss civilization
• 49:39
  like Atlantis. They wanted a proof because they were they
• 49:42
  really were racists, and they thought that their Arian race
• 49:46
  is superior in comparison to others. But they were using
• 49:50
  this Atlantist knowledge that we may talk about for bad purposes.
• 49:55
  But it doesn't mean that Atlantis hunt Atlantis hunting is
• 49:59
  Nazi in itself. No, it isn't, but plenty of people
• 50:02
  interpret it like that. So Nazis. There are crazy stories.
• 50:06
  They even wanted to recreate some kind of UFO interdimensional UFOOL,
• 50:14
  like a physical one for space travels outside of the
• 50:19
  space time reality. After the channeling, there were some kind
• 50:23
  of medium. It was before the war for sure, and
• 50:26
  they were, you know, channeling some kind of papers like
• 50:30
  blueprints of these UFO craft. There are plenty of stories
• 50:33
  like that about the Nazis and they were trying to
• 50:36
  replicate it. And because of the routine occultism channelings, they
• 50:40
  were much more open for different ideas. That's why the Glocka,
• 50:44
  which was meant to be some kind of anti gravity
• 50:46
  thing according to them, maybe it doesn't exist, the thing
• 50:50
  like anti gravity maybe, but they were thinking and okay,
• 50:53
  let's experiment, and they came to plenty of new things.
• 50:58
  They invented new true things in physics because they were
• 51:01
  very open about all of that. They wanted to create UFOs,
• 51:05
  They wanted to power the psychic powers.
• 51:08
  Speaker 11: Yes, right, well, Alexander. And in terms of their moral
• 51:13
  rejection of Western physics, it really came down to this
• 51:17
  Einstein idea, right, because they really rejected Einstein hard like
• 51:22
  he was very big in the West, and they're like,
• 51:23
  we want nothing to do with that Swedish guy or
• 51:26
  the Swiss guy Jewish guy.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I don't want this podcast. I'm sorry, Enigma. You know
• 51:35
  they didn't like just and I tell you what they do,
• 51:39
  so sorry.
• 51:40
  Speaker 11: The same kind of rejection going on in the Soviet
• 51:43
  Union where they were rejected in Western science for a
• 51:47
  different type of agriculturalists, and that created major problems in
• 51:52
  the Soviet Union as well.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I agree with you, and even they rejected
• 51:57
  because of their philosophical basis in Marxism. In communism, they
• 52:02
  rejected the idea of spirituality. When the Bolsheviks in like
• 52:07
  twenties got into the power, they closed most and most
• 52:11
  of the churches, and they wanted to kill religions. They sometimes,
• 52:15
  during events that they were not doing well, were taking
• 52:18
  back this religion when they needed to. But they were
• 52:22
  anti religious. They thought that spirituality is you know, stupid,
• 52:25
  doesn't exist. They were materialists, heard materialists, and atheists. And
• 52:30
  because of that, when they found out about psychic remote
• 52:34
  viewing and all of the psychic phenomena like channelings, they
• 52:38
  were heavily researching it. Western world was a little bit
• 52:42
  back in that because they thought, Okay, the Western world
• 52:45
  was like, oh, this doesn't exist, but actually so of
• 52:48
  its scientists were thinking that spiritual phenomena and all the
• 52:53
  mediumship psychic stuff is a material phenomenon. So they got
• 52:58
  it into their paradigm. You know, as I mentioned that
• 53:01
  spirituality is outside of the scientific paradigm, and that's why
• 53:05
  science is not like saying that mediumship and psychic capabilities
• 53:11
  are real, because these are outside of the physical realm.
• 53:14
  But Soviet sciences were thinking, but maybe they're physical. I
• 53:17
  do not agree with them at all, but because of that,
• 53:20
  they implemented it into their scientific community, and psychic stuff
• 53:26
  was so heavily researched in USSR, like they were really
• 53:31
  really into it because they thought it is some kind
• 53:33
  of material stuff. And that's why then later USA was, wait,
• 53:37
  they are investigating it, so maybe we should too, and
• 53:40
  that's how the Ingoswan, the famous remote viewer and other
• 53:44
  later were involved into that. So I think that Savit
• 53:48
  Union was the first in that, and then later USA
• 53:51
  was that we should investigate it to like our enemies
• 53:55
  are doing that, we should too. So there are plenty
• 53:58
  of interesting case is showing us different kinds of science
• 54:02
  in the Soviet era, in the Nazi stuff. I think
• 54:05
  it is not only the rejection of Einstein was a
• 54:09
  part of that. Like they even say, I was in
• 54:13
  my high school, I had like like major but in
• 54:18
  high school like extended version of history, like different subjects,
• 54:22
  and our history was extended, and it was focused on
• 54:26
  the times from nineteen hundreds up until the end of
• 54:29
  the World War two. So it was heavily focused on
• 54:31
  this spirit. And I remember there were even some quotes
• 54:35
  that from people from scientists back then during the Nazi time,
• 54:39
  that we won't accept this Jewish thing that Einstein is propagating.
• 54:44
  They were, you know, so racists, that no, it's a
• 54:46
  Jewish thing, it's not true, it's propaganda, and so on.
• 54:50
  They were telling like that it was a part of
• 54:52
  rejecting Einstein's gravity and so on. But part of that
• 54:57
  was also that when the war started they were completely isolated.
• 55:01
  It wasn't like nowadays they can browse the Internet and
• 55:05
  check what scientific advancements are there. Back then, the scientific
• 55:10
  research was not that big like nowadays. So in four
• 55:13
  or five years, Nazis were actually not informed on everything
• 55:18
  that was happening all over the world when it comes
• 55:20
  to science. And this was the part isolation and part
• 55:23
  rejection of the Western one. In the USSR, similar that
• 55:27
  part was the rejection there is nothing beyond matter, there
• 55:30
  is only matter. We are eighties, we are socialists, we
• 55:34
  are materialists. And also part of the isolation of the
• 55:40
  Western the Western is bad. You know here even in
• 55:42
  Poland it was up until the eighteen nineties, so nineteen
• 55:46
  eighty nine, so like thirty plus years ago, we were
• 55:51
  under the communist regime and all the Western stuff was bad.
• 55:56
  Trust me, even I was born in two thousand and three,
• 56:00
  so long long ago that and I remember, you know,
• 56:04
  some kind of artifacts like things from before before we
• 56:10
  were integrated into the Western world. That you know, everything
• 56:14
  on the West is bad. Everything from Rascha from Soviet
• 56:17
  Union is good. And we should you know, reject everything
• 56:21
  the Western depravity and so on. So yes, these are
• 56:26
  showing us different kinds of worldviews.
• 56:28
  Speaker 11: Even what's interesting is the artifacts that are left over
• 56:32
  from this era that I think still don't get a
• 56:35
  lot of attention. So for instance, in the West, we
• 56:37
  have Western science calling certain obscure kind of effects cavitation effects,
• 56:45
  cavitation effects. Now they don't go into any detail and
• 56:48
  what these cavitation effects are. But you know, this is
• 56:52
  a very clear example of them sort of relegating these
• 56:55
  different effects within science as a thing that they don't
• 56:59
  full explain. But they point at it and they're like, well,
• 57:02
  we can explain this, it's the cavitation effect. Let's move
• 57:05
  on to the next thing. It's kind of funny. So
• 57:07
  they're describing the same things in different ways with varying
• 57:10
  amounts of focus being placed on them, and usually what
• 57:14
  we end up seeing is that they don't really do
• 57:16
  a good job of explaining it too well.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: M yes, yes, there are a bunch of examples. Any
• 57:24
  kind of comment or.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I'll go really quickly. Okay.
• 57:34
  Speaker 12: So so I think that everything you said I totally
• 57:37
  agree with. Like, I think one tool that I like
• 57:40
  to say for people to like take sort of agency,
• 57:43
  be agential in and of themselves, take it, you know,
• 57:46
  take full.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Ownership of their own will.
• 57:48
  Speaker 12: Maybe is to quoting Andrew mcluin, grandson of Marshall mclun
• 57:53
  but he says, sees the means of perception. So I
• 57:56
  think a lot of magic starts in perception, Like you
• 57:58
  were talking about Alexander the Nazi phenomena. I call it
• 58:02
  we was kings. Any all call to do this. They
• 58:05
  always project themselves into the primordial past as the lineage progenitors.
• 58:10
  It's it's every Okul group. There's there's zero that don't
• 58:13
  do this. So you know, it is what it is.
• 58:17
  And I think the last thing I wanted to comment
• 58:21
  on is why I forgot so But anyways, yeah, I
• 58:24
  totally agree with you and I and I think that
• 58:26
  people occultism as a source of like wisdom or knowledge.
• 58:30
  I'm one hundred percent there, I think next one hundred
• 58:33
  percent there.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I think we're all a hundred percent there.
• 58:35
  Speaker 12: And like I think it's not about like the dualism
• 58:39
  of like materialism versus spiritualism. I like to take a
• 58:42
  non dual approaches, obviously because I'm a Buddhists, so but
• 58:47
  I think we have to go like beyond the paradigms,
• 58:49
  like exactly what you're saying, Like it's it's about pushing
• 58:52
  the ideas outward and like it doesn't matter maybe an
• 58:54
  idea is bad, maybe it's good, Like we have to
• 58:57
  see and we shouldn't be we as kings because you know,
• 59:00
  not all their ideas are good. But we don't have
• 59:01
  to discard everything that came before, just you know, kind
• 59:05
  of see where, kind of see where things are.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Soviets wanted to discard almost anything that was of the
• 59:11
  Russian or Eastern history. They wanted, you know, to start
• 59:14
  with a bank page, finished this imaginary war of classes,
• 59:20
  the conflict between classes, and starting you with a perfect
• 59:23
  socialistic society. So it's another lesson that we shouldn't you know,
• 59:28
  we shouldn't also be too much attached to, of course
• 59:31
  the past stuff, but we shouldn't try to eliminate eliminate
• 59:35
  it at all. Just as you mentioned old idea, isn't
• 59:38
  it but an idea at all.
• 59:43
  Speaker 11: Licanoism licenchoism is the word I was looking for before.
• 59:48
  So that's the sort of Soviet response to agriculture, was
• 59:52
  this licankoism, which ended up killing fields all over the place.
• 59:56
  So that's always been used as this example of pseudoscience too.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's a kind of example of the scienceist. I
• 1:00:05
  think it's in polished with Senko or something like that.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: Yes, Yes, didn't hit er like send a whole like
• 1:00:13
  brigade of motherfuckers to Tibet to Yes, Yes, because he
• 1:00:21
  was like looking for some what is the place in Tibet,
• 1:00:24
  the spiritual place that it's.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 12: Like they say, right, yeah, yes, they say Chambala. Chambala
• 1:00:31
  is a real place, but I'll tell you where that
• 1:00:33
  place is. That place is in your mind. The mind
• 1:00:36
  palace is in your mind obviously, and so it's not
• 1:00:39
  a real place. So let me just be very clear
• 1:00:42
  about that. Set the record straight, like straight up. So
• 1:00:45
  it's it's a it's a it's a place that you
• 1:00:47
  construct actually in your mind during visualization when you were
• 1:00:51
  site Montras.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: So it's something it's.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 12: Like a ritual, you know, it has a ritual kind
• 1:00:57
  of Maybe it's the higher place you're going to hyperspace kingdom.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're like you know.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 12: Childboarding in your mind, but in reality it really takes
• 1:01:05
  place in your consciousness. I know Alexander doesn't love that
• 1:01:08
  when I use that word last time, but I think
• 1:01:10
  it's frir though.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: Actually I am not into Shambala as searching for physical
• 1:01:15
  place now only like Atlantis, Lamoria and stuff like that.
• 1:01:18
  So I would agree that probably if you have the
• 1:01:21
  knowledge or experience about that, that yes, Shambala could be
• 1:01:24
  like that, but you know it can be also what
• 1:01:26
  you're telling about us. The best example of I think
• 1:01:31
  that in the previous conversation I was talking about of
• 1:01:34
  esoteric and exoteric meaning. It's like understanding the Bible. What
• 1:01:38
  you know people going to church are mostly understanding is
• 1:01:42
  the exo, the the outer part of the meaning. Okay,
• 1:01:46
  Jesus died on the cross, there were twelve apostles, et cetera.
• 1:01:50
  Struct but the esoteric meaning the heat and occult inside
• 1:01:54
  of it is that. Okay, this is this may be
• 1:01:58
  interpreted as a real story, but all it has also
• 1:02:01
  a second meaning of metaphorical story. You know, Jesus being
• 1:02:06
  born at the same time as you know, there's this
• 1:02:10
  this sun is in this lowest point on the sky,
• 1:02:14
  et cetera. So I think it's a good example of
• 1:02:17
  how Nazis were foolish about the Chambala, probably that they
• 1:02:23
  missed them out. But that's yes. Exoterically it's okay, lots
• 1:02:27
  of civilization and so on, but esoterically it's something different.
• 1:02:31
  Just as you mentioned before.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 9: They brought back some artifacts though, that's where the swastika
• 1:02:37
  came from.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: But if you.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 9: Really think about it, it's like rules for thee but
• 1:02:43
  not for me. We're allowed to have occultism, spirituality, looking
• 1:02:47
  for last civilizations. We're into all this shit, we're channeling gods,
• 1:02:52
  we're doing all this, but you guys shouldn't have spirituality.
• 1:02:56
  Fuck you, you need to be completely cut off from
• 1:02:59
  all this shit that we got going on, because if
• 1:03:02
  you knew what we knew, then we can control you.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's a great point. I always talk it about it.
• 1:03:09
  It's a hypocrisy of plenty of elites. I think it
• 1:03:12
  was even doing the RGN of Elizabeth, the thirst that
• 1:03:16
  Elizabeth said, Okay, we destroy all the occult all the
• 1:03:22
  esoteric stuff in our country. But at the same time
• 1:03:25
  as she was saying that, the public and you know,
• 1:03:28
  persecuting and the kind of heresies, she was having a
• 1:03:33
  personal occultist and she was using him for her own purposes.
• 1:03:38
  So the same example, as he said.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: That's what I'm talking about. They don't want us to
• 1:03:43
  know what they know.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: That's well, I was going to say, even if you
• 1:03:48
  look like Abraham Lincoln was having like seances in the
• 1:03:51
  White House, all of them know this stuff, they're all
• 1:03:55
  into it, but they want to cut us off from that.
• 1:03:58
  It's like, oh, okay, only you guys can know. You
• 1:04:01
  will live right right, right, right, right right, Yes.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 12: I just want to shout out that Hegel is actually Kabala.
• 1:04:10
  If you really understand Hegel, it's also Kabala. Not saying
• 1:04:13
  I agree with it, just saying it is Kabbala. And
• 1:04:15
  Lisenko is the father of modern epigenetics.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I agree with Lisenko.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 12: I don't agree with Lisenko, but I think that you
• 1:04:22
  just like what we're saying is like you can look
• 1:04:24
  at wisdom science for specific seeds of knowledge, and so
• 1:04:28
  in that case, the seed of epigenetics comes from Lysenko.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: So I don't agree with him, but again, you don't
• 1:04:35
  have to agree.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 12: With everybody to be able to sort of look at
• 1:04:38
  their work and see, you know, what is going to
• 1:04:41
  be generative? And I think that that's a lot of
• 1:04:43
  like the New Aon is, like it's going to be
• 1:04:45
  like what is actually generative? What is going to produce fruits?
• 1:04:49
  And what is going to like take humanity. Maybe it's
• 1:04:52
  just all about taming your consciousness like I think, but
• 1:04:54
  maybe it's like you know, maybe it is finding Atlanta,
• 1:04:57
  So who knows.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Really, I think that that's an way to frame it. It
• 1:05:01
  We don't really know, but there's something I.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 12: Think there's something fresh about being like optimistic instead of
• 1:05:06
  being like tumor.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 11: Well, you're you're approaching the monopolistic angle there. So there
• 1:05:12
  might be elements of Lisenko that carry over. But in
• 1:05:16
  the in the wholesale rejection of anything, you always end
• 1:05:19
  up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and you
• 1:05:21
  don't see anything of value in it. So that's the
• 1:05:23
  big problem with monopolistic science is that you can never
• 1:05:27
  take the elements and reform at them and use them
• 1:05:29
  in other ways.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I believe the I don't know if it
• 1:05:36
  was Lashenko, but the same mode of agriculture. But Stalin
• 1:05:40
  infamously grew in Marxist theory. You know, everyone coming together
• 1:05:46
  is equal. He put forth that idea into agriculture and
• 1:05:50
  would grow many different types of wheat in the same fields,
• 1:05:55
  and they all failed or one one would do well, right,
• 1:05:58
  because each different we had its own needs that were
• 1:06:03
  slightly different than the others. And so of course the
• 1:06:07
  Marxist theory, which is you know, very subjective, did not
• 1:06:13
  work on very you know, objective agricultural processes, which they
• 1:06:18
  thought it would m.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: HM.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: And the more comments are something else.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 12: Yes, I do think go for go for please, Sorry, no,
• 1:06:33
  I just I thought it was interesting, Alexander that you
• 1:06:35
  spoke about this. The Soviet kind of marriage of the
• 1:06:39
  their psychical research was so it was even way more
• 1:06:42
  than the Americans, like we talked about like obviously MK
• 1:06:45
  and all that stuff, but the Soviets had like hundreds
• 1:06:48
  of programs running that were identical or similar or even worse.
• 1:06:55
  And so I just want to say that, like, yeah,
• 1:06:57
  like the Soviets did reject the supernatural less elements, but
• 1:07:00
  they definitely embrace the psychical ones, and that there is
• 1:07:04
  something useful and even in that framework, right, Like that's
• 1:07:07
  also what's interesting is like if you take away away
• 1:07:10
  the supernatural sort of elements and the layer of story,
• 1:07:13
  then you're actually talking about sort of our own cosmogenesis,
• 1:07:18
  like our own like story of humanity, rather than a
• 1:07:20
  story of like the deities or whatever you're talking about
• 1:07:24
  like fundamentally about us. So I plaud them for that,
• 1:07:28
  But I agree that you have to have the spiritual,
• 1:07:31
  you have to have like a there's a metaphysical layer
• 1:07:34
  like ontology.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Is everything, right, Yeah, I think we all agree on that.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: Like, yes, it's just that Soviets you know, labeled the
• 1:07:42
  psychic part as a material one because they thought that,
• 1:07:46
  you know, the psychic would turn out to be something
• 1:07:48
  like gravity, all like force of electromagnetism that maybe right
• 1:07:53
  right at their time they do not understand it, but
• 1:07:56
  maybe in the future they will be able to measure
• 1:07:59
  it physically. But the day it couldn't do that. And
• 1:08:01
  there are plenty even of prototypes of you know, some
• 1:08:04
  kind of machines that could you know, see the auras,
• 1:08:08
  et cetera. And some of them, you know, allegedly work.
• 1:08:11
  Some of them wear a complete crap because you know,
• 1:08:14
  it turned out that it wasn't within this realm that
• 1:08:18
  they were thinking this psychic capabilities are within.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: Thank you. Did anybody else want to ask her at anything?
• 1:08:29
  Before we wrap it up? I can finally jump in, Yeah,
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  go for it.
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  Speaker 10: When I was talking about science earlier, I look at
• 1:08:38
  it like this. I think, I think science is trying
• 1:08:41
  to catch up with what our theories and ideas are,
• 1:08:44
  and because they don't have the ability to do so,
• 1:08:46
  they push it to the side until something finally comes
• 1:08:49
  up and somebody in that you know, typical in that field,
• 1:08:53
  like at modern academia and so on and so forth.
• 1:08:56
  They don't want to lose their tenure or their seats
• 1:08:58
  and their you know, wherever there, so they decide not
• 1:09:01
  to say anything. So a lot of times, a lot
• 1:09:03
  of them just keep it hush hush. But they be
• 1:09:06
  in their houses practicing the same shit that we be practicing.
• 1:09:09
  Tarot's wugi bores, astro projection, lucid dreaming. They do that,
• 1:09:14
  but they don't want to put their name on it
• 1:09:16
  because they don't want to run the risk of somebody
• 1:09:18
  talking about them. And a good example of that right
• 1:09:21
  now is Ivy Lowe.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 10: He keeps thinking that thing is as an extraterrestrial, right,
• 1:09:28
  but people are saying that the facts are saying that
• 1:09:31
  it's an asteroid. So now it's up to when it
• 1:09:34
  finally shows up. How are we able to prove it otherwise? Right,
• 1:09:37
  Because we got a person from Harvard, from modern academia
• 1:09:41
  who's actually putting their name out there on the line
• 1:09:43
  and so on and so forth, and you know, people
• 1:09:46
  are looking at him like he's crazy. But this dude
• 1:09:48
  has a degree in this field, right, you know what
• 1:09:50
  I'm saying. So who I mean, unless you have a
• 1:09:53
  degree in that field, What can you really say to
• 1:09:56
  you know, counter that? And that's when it comes up
• 1:09:58
  to how do they prove their facts? What can they
• 1:10:00
  give to us the lamest people out the group, you know,
• 1:10:04
  the non Harvards and you know all these other individuals.
• 1:10:07
  What can you give us that proves what you say
• 1:10:11
  and backs up what you say with you know, clear
• 1:10:14
  cut evidence, right like the gun is at the scene
• 1:10:17
  with the fingerprints type thing I can see that has
• 1:10:19
  clear evidence. What evidence do you have that portrays that?
• 1:10:21
  And I think science a lot of people are very timid.
• 1:10:26
  They don't want to they don't want to be the
• 1:10:28
  roaring woolf that goes out there and says, hey, you
• 1:10:30
  guys are fucking They want to say, hey, you guys
• 1:10:33
  are misinterpreting, and they're being sweet and nice about it.
• 1:10:36
  Before we even launched this this show, Nick were talking
• 1:10:39
  about how many times have you went to somebody said
• 1:10:41
  excuse me, and then the second third time you had
• 1:10:43
  to say excuse me, motherfucker, just to get their attention.
• 1:10:46
  And that's what we need, is we need a moment
• 1:10:48
  like that to get everybody's attention. And it's not going
• 1:10:51
  to help by to being the sweet and nice little
• 1:10:53
  people that we used to be. It's about time we start,
• 1:10:56
  you know, roaring with the microphones, tearing the walls off
• 1:10:59
  the Jerusalem and this type of just that and the
• 1:11:01
  third type stuff.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I add to the idea of the power
• 1:11:08
  for people, even stately people using these occult or metaphysical
• 1:11:14
  or alchemical ideas. Just recently, Putin and Zea and what
• 1:11:20
  is the North Korean guy met and were walking around
• 1:11:24
  and on a hot mic. They were talking about how
• 1:11:28
  at seventy you're just a baby nowadays, and that they
• 1:11:32
  could live to be one hundred and fifty. And so
• 1:11:37
  they were very much interested in these alchemical ideas. But
• 1:11:41
  they were talking about very physical, surgical things, I believe,
• 1:11:46
  but interesting longevity and immortality, always a search for humanity
• 1:11:53
  and even just randomly they're walking along and spoke about it.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 10: And that's funny you say that. And I'll say this
• 1:12:01
  last thing. The Gnostics believe in internal life. You just
• 1:12:04
  had to have knowledge within to achieve that. That's why
• 1:12:08
  they were so dangerous, and that's why they were looked
• 1:12:10
  as evil, because they if you could live long, you
• 1:12:12
  can make a lot of different changes, right, whether it's
• 1:12:17
  for the good or the bad. A good person lives
• 1:12:19
  long enough, they can make some changes. A bad person
• 1:12:21
  lives long enough, you can make some changes. I mean,
• 1:12:24
  we've been been shown throughout historical events, right. But the
• 1:12:27
  problem is, most of the time the nice ones usually
• 1:12:30
  don't be able to get to make the changes that
• 1:12:32
  they want to because they're being too nice at times
• 1:12:36
  and they're not roaring and letting people know, Hey, this
• 1:12:38
  has got to be done the right way and this
• 1:12:40
  is how it's going to be.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: Excuse me, what the fucker that? I love it? Dude?
• 1:12:46
  Thank you to anybody else have anything they want to ed.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I just want to say, this is a great discussion.
• 1:12:55
  I think once we go back to the philosophy of
• 1:12:57
  science and start to deconstruct it where it's arts at
• 1:13:00
  instead of where everything has ended up, that's when we
• 1:13:04
  can start to really make the changes. Because a lot
• 1:13:06
  of scientific people hear these kind of things and they
• 1:13:09
  apply it to their own lives and they look at
• 1:13:11
  what they're what they're doing, and it creates a sense
• 1:13:13
  of self awareness. And I think that's at you know,
• 1:13:16
  the fundamental level of the understanding of science is self awareness.
• 1:13:20
  Like that's one of the first things you go into
• 1:13:24
  objective states by understanding yourself and seeing yourself and understanding
• 1:13:29
  where your biases are and everything else and being able
• 1:13:32
  to identify that is the first goal in producing good science,
• 1:13:35
  is being able to identify the pre existing biases and
• 1:13:39
  all the problems with separation and all the rest of
• 1:13:43
  these things, like you were talking about once, these different
• 1:13:46
  facets of different countries and geographies that break off from
• 1:13:49
  one another. If they had that self awareness, they can
• 1:13:52
  not only take those elements that they've developed independently, but
• 1:13:55
  integrate them in a much more you know, rationalist framework
• 1:13:59
  that opens up people up to new ideas. But you know,
• 1:14:02
  as long as it's all being dictated by war and
• 1:14:04
  death and killing, you're not going to get that, you know,
• 1:14:06
  and the biases are going to get worse.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: I have just one thing to add to that, actually, Headless,
• 1:14:12
  you inspired me. I think like the concept of like
• 1:14:17
  science as we know it right now is like it's
• 1:14:20
  like fiscar scissors and like preschool shit, like fucking putting
• 1:14:24
  blocks together and stuff. But if you go back like
• 1:14:27
  ancient Egypt, and they had fucking the Seven Sacred Sciences, Okay,
• 1:14:34
  that's what they had they were way more advanced than us.
• 1:14:37
  What we have now is dogshit compared.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 8: To what they knew and the Seven Sacred Sciences.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: You know, they had like arithmetic and whatever, but they
• 1:14:47
  also incorporated spirituality and extra dimensional type of shit into
• 1:14:55
  their Seven Sacred sciences.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: So when we think of science now, it's like fucking.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: Bill Nye in some you know, school program, stupid bullshit.
• 1:15:06
  But what they had they could, like the architecture, everything,
• 1:15:11
  It was a mixture of spirituality and science, and it
• 1:15:15
  was actually a really amazing thing. I honestly think that
• 1:15:22
  the Egyptians are like just a remnant of these civilizations
• 1:15:26
  that Alexander was talking about, Atlantis, all of these places.
• 1:15:30
  So yeah, I mean, I think that they target us
• 1:15:36
  on a biological level. You know, if you guys have
• 1:15:38
  heard about the god gene or whatever, they're trying to
• 1:15:44
  basically inject us to death so that we're not able
• 1:15:47
  to use that part of our brain and part of
• 1:15:50
  our body. So yeah, yay for science shutting down our
• 1:15:54
  god gene and calcifying our brain. That I mean, I
• 1:15:59
  think it's just it's turned into almost like a dystopian
• 1:16:04
  nightmare science.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: It's not anything like what it used to be.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: That.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Well, the institutions are sort of crumbling.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 12: I think we're seeing a sort of you know, deconstruction
• 1:16:19
  or maybe like an incoherence of the Saturnian institutions, because
• 1:16:23
  institutions are both attorney and and solar in some ways,
• 1:16:27
  because they have an outward presenting face and a more
• 1:16:30
  occulted layer. So I think definitely we're seeing an icing
• 1:16:34
  out of like people's perceptions of the institutions are kind
• 1:16:37
  of ignoring it. And I think a lot more people
• 1:16:40
  are interested in like metaphysics and the things that Alexander
• 1:16:43
  talks about and that we all talk about. So I
• 1:16:46
  think that's a you know that it's a very I'm
• 1:16:49
  very optimistic. I have to say, like, I feel like
• 1:16:51
  people are really hungry for it, want to hear it,
• 1:16:54
  are like interested in like a totally new way. It's
• 1:16:57
  not so dogmatic as it was during cod times, and
• 1:17:01
  we can all be a lot more open minded and
• 1:17:03
  try and like figure it out for ourselves.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: I love it, We'll say, both of you. Before we
• 1:17:12
  wrap it up, We'll let everybody plug their shows again
• 1:17:14
  real quick. Go ahead, Julie. Let everybody know where they
• 1:17:17
  can find all your amazing work.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me, Nick, I have this conversation. I
• 1:17:21
  could talk about it all day. I have Cosmic Peach podcasts.
• 1:17:26
  Wherever you listen to podcasts, Accult Reject part time, you
• 1:17:31
  can find me on Cult the Conspiracy Podcasts every Saturday.
• 1:17:35
  I'm everywhere and nowhere, So thank you for thank you
• 1:17:39
  for having me though love being in a cult reject.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: Thank you very much for coming on. Julie.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: Yes, she's like an eggor. We're going just everywhere right yet?
• 1:17:48
  Ten the Ninja? What is going on?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: Sir?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 12: Thank you so much for having me, and thank you
• 1:17:52
  to the panel and of course Alexander. This was a
• 1:17:54
  great part two and I always really enjoy hearing you
• 1:17:58
  and I could probably listen for a longunger and not speak.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: So much but appreciate it.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 12: And yeah, if you want to check me out, Jim
• 1:18:05
  and ninjat Wukong, We're born to be uk O and
• 1:18:07
  g Reborn. That's my personal account on ex Twitter at
• 1:18:10
  Threshold Saints, which is for both ig and also x
• 1:18:14
  Twitter if that's just the show account, and then the
• 1:18:16
  Gray Lodge.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: You can follow us on YouTube.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 12: And as well on x Live of Friday Night Nastic
• 1:18:22
  Mass every Friday night speculative nassism, So come expand your mind.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: There you go, there it is and Headless Giant.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 11: Thank you Nick, Thank you Alexander. This has been a great,
• 1:18:37
  great little interview. I think a lot of people are
• 1:18:40
  hungry for this kind of knowledge so that they can have,
• 1:18:42
  you know, some sort of ammunition to fight back and
• 1:18:44
  gets to people trying to fill them up with all
• 1:18:46
  sorts of science fluids and uh, you know, we got
• 1:18:50
  to have that ammunition. So you can find me on
• 1:18:52
  x and on YouTube look for the Headless Giant and yeah,
• 1:18:57
  on Thursday nights and on Sunday mornings, we have a
• 1:18:59
  show tomorrow. It's going to be the Trialoguess. And on
• 1:19:02
  Thursday we take your emails and if you send me
• 1:19:05
  an email with your cult slash paranormal slash interesting dream experience,
• 1:19:10
  Nick will send you some free stickers. So go ahead
• 1:19:13
  and send that to the Headless Giant at gmail dot
• 1:19:16
  com or a Headless Podcast at gmail dot com and
• 1:19:18
  we'll hear from you later.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: Thank you, hell yeah, thank you very much for joining us.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: Yes, send those stories over to Headless and Ethan my Man.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Thanks everyone, Thanks Alexander, that was awesome. Yeah, check us
• 1:19:33
  out tomorrow head lists and Ricardo and I'll be discussing
• 1:19:37
  contemporary ideas and different different ideas every week. And yeah,
• 1:19:42
  I'm on all the usual social media. And I got
• 1:19:45
  a couple of books out there actually exploring non physical topics,
• 1:19:49
  so a lot of it. So yeah again, Alexander, that
• 1:19:52
  was awesome. Thanks you guys.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, thank you for joining us. Ethan and Tyrone.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 10: Sir, Hey, I appreciate Nick. Alexander was a great presentation man.
• 1:20:03
  Like I said, man, you always come with the good
• 1:20:04
  stuff to find that good information to the knowledge that
• 1:20:07
  we need, you know, I you know, I really do
• 1:20:09
  appreciate that. Everything you can find on me is on
• 1:20:11
  my website, Rebirth of theWord dot com. I just created
• 1:20:14
  a Rumbo account where I'm actually going to actual historical places.
• 1:20:18
  I appreciate that, Alexander. I'm going to actual historical places.
• 1:20:21
  The last one I went to was just Fort George
• 1:20:24
  Historic site in Georgia. I was representing Colt Rejects with
• 1:20:27
  the shirt, so you know, I was out there representing
• 1:20:30
  I've got to say, he doesn't promote his book. So
• 1:20:33
  I do the geometry, the geometry of how to Meditate,
• 1:20:39
  and then uh, I got Alexander's burge get his book also.
• 1:20:43
  I always actually I have a couple of Ethan's books.
• 1:20:46
  I'm just going to the next time he's on with me,
• 1:20:48
  I'm going to promote the other one, so you know,
• 1:20:49
  just keep it going for him since he forgets a lot.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: But I appreciate it, y'all.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, thank you, thank you and uh finally Alexander,
• 1:20:56
  and please let everybody know like about your books and
• 1:20:58
  stuff that you got as well.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: Yes, you can find me on many social media like
• 1:21:03
  you to Facebook, Instagram. Just the best way is copy
• 1:21:07
  paste my name and surname Alexander Tashkevich. Sometimes the English
• 1:21:11
  one is with Global, so Alexander Tishkevich Global, because I
• 1:21:15
  have also a Polish one. But you will see which
• 1:21:18
  one is which one by the language, so don't worry.
• 1:21:21
  And my book is Deja Vi Has Surfing Already Been?
• 1:21:24
  Jazz as Tyrone is showing us. It's on Amazon in
• 1:21:28
  plenty of English speaking regions like USA, Canada, Australia. Just again,
• 1:21:34
  copy paste the title Deja Vu Has Surfing Already Been?
• 1:21:38
  Or my name and surname and you will find it
• 1:21:41
  in English. Thank you once again, thank you for all
• 1:21:46
  the good things you were talking about. I really am
• 1:21:50
  happy that you liked. I see the comments also, people
• 1:21:55
  liked that you. Everyone here liked what I had to say,
• 1:21:59
  and I can't wait for the talk about Atlantis. That
• 1:22:04
  will be good to thank you once again.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 7: Nick, Yeah, of course, no, thank you for bringing that up.
• 1:22:09
  I was gonna leave the listeners with that. If you
• 1:22:11
  enjoyed this show, hopefully within a few weeks while this
• 1:22:13
  man back on again, we'll be talking about Atlantis. I'm
• 1:22:15
  looking very very much forward to that again. Alexander, thank
• 1:22:19
  you so much for coming on. It's always a great chat,
• 1:22:21
  always great discussion for real, and you know, the chat
• 1:22:24
  loved it, and I appreciate everybody that was in the
• 1:22:26
  chat on all channels that it was streaming out too.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: That's what's up.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: A lot of these are there from the beginning to end,
• 1:22:31
  and you all had great stuff to say. That's why
• 1:22:33
  we go live and until the next one, everybody be well.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: We don't talk anymore. We don't talk anymore, but we
• 1:22:43
  don't love anymore. We don't talk anymore. They don't talk
• 1:22:51
  any more.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: We don't talk anymore.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: They don't talk any more.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: Are don't get any more?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: That mind like servant.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: Like me sees a celebrating my prop to st job.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: But I'm just afering that I be wrong
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: Wrong, if you're looking into your eyes and she's old,
• 1:23:25
  and I'll tell you so tight the way I did
• 1:23:27
  before