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Our Deepest Knowing: Awakening to Pure Being and Pure Awareness with A. H. Almaas · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  dialogue
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  13
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  of
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  our
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  wisdom
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  series
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  Conversations
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  with
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas,
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  aka
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  Hameed
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  Ali.
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  During
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  this
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  conversation
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  we
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  discuss
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  being,
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  presence
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  and
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  knowing
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  with
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  human
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  family's
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  greatest
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  sages
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  of
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  all
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  time.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuis.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
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  Society
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  Spirit.
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  Our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy
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  and
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  guest
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  today
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  is
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  Hameed
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  Ali
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  aka
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas.
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  This
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  is
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  our
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  dialogue
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  number
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  13
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  in
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  our
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas
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  Wisdom
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  series
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  in
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  which
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  we
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  are
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  doing
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  a
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  in
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  depth
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  survey
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  or
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  overview
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  of
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  the
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  work
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  of
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  this
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  remarkable
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  man
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  and
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  the
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  foundations
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  of
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  the
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  diamond
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  approach
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  that
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  he
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  has
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  created.
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  And
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  today
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  we
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  dive
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  into
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  some
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  really
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  deep
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  territory
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  and
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  discussion
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  before
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  we
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  begin.
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  And
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  John
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  was
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  commenting
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  that
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  he
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  really
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  had
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  never
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  seen
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  in
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  any
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  tradition
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  such
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  depth
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  of
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  analysis
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  of
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  variety
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  of
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  profound
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  experiences
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  such
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  as
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  covered
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  in
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  many
• 1:26
  sections
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  of
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  this
• 1:27
  text,
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  the
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  Inner
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  Journey
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  Home,
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  which
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  is
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  one
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  of
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  Hameed's
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  many
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  books,
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  but
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  perhaps
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  central
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  texts
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  around
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  which
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  his
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  work
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  is
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  organized.
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  As
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  we're
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  working
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  our
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  way
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  through
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  this
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  text
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  now,
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  we
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  come
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  to
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  the
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  topic
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  which
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  you
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  give
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  a
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  significant
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  attention
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  to,
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  reification.
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  Hameed.
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  And
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  maybe
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  we
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  can
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  begin
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  by
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  maybe
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  just
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  laying
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  out
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  a
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  brief,
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  a
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  brief
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  understanding
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  and
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  then
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  having
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  you
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  and
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  Rich
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  comment
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  or
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  correct
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  that.
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  And
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  that
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  is
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  you
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  talk
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  about
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  the
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  distinction
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  between
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  what
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  you
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  call
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  basic
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  knowledge,
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  that
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  is
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  our
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  direct
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  experience,
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  and
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  then
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  point
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  out
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  that
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  in
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  development
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  we
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  develop
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  the
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  capacity
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  for
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  concepts
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  and
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  we
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  layer
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  these
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  concepts
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  over
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  our
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  experience
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  until
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  we're
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  really
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  having
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  a
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  mediated
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  experience
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  with
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  the
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  world
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  and
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  ourselves,
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  mediated
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  by
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  layer
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  upon
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  layer
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  of
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  concepts,
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  more
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  and
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  more
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  abstraction
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  until
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  we
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  create
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  what
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  you
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  call
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  reification,
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  that
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  is
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  the
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  concepts
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  apparently
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  separate
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  out
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  of
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  this
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  undivided
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  whole,
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  these
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  apparently
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  separate
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  entities,
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  including
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  ourselves.
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  So
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  maybe
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  that's
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  a
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  kind
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  of
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  a
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  statement
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  by
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  way
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  of
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  an
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  invitation
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  for
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  you
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  to
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  expand
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  or
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  correct
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  or
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  take
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  that
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  wherever
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  you'd
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  like.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  when
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  we
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  hear
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  about
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  different
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  teaching,
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  discussing
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  reification
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  as
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  an
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  issue,
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  as
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  an
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  obstacle,
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  and
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  we're
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  seeing
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  here,
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  the
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  reification
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  is
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  so
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  basic,
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  so
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  to
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  the
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  mind.
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  So
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  that's
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  why
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  in
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  my
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  practice
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  I
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  don't
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  tell
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  my
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  student,
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  don't
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  rehif,
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  which
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  many
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  teachings
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  do,
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  say,
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  no,
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  avoid
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  reification,
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  can't
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  avoid
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  it.
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  Naturally
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  the
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  mind
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  reifies.
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  So
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  the
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  work
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  with
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  it
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  is
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  to
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  recognize
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  the
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  reification
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  is
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  happening
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  and
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  to
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  understand
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  it.
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  And
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  that
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  way
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  penetrate
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  the
• 3:30
  reification
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  and
• 3:31
  it
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  dissolves
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  as
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  we
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  understand
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  it.
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  But
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  we
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  need
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  to
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  understand
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  what
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  revification
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  is.
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  Reification
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  is
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  a
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  mental
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  operation
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  that
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  ends
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  up
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  ultimately
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  alienating
• 3:47
  us
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  from
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  our
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  true
• 3:49
  nature.
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  And
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  it
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  is
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  a
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  process
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  in
• 3:53
  the
• 3:53
  mind
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  that's
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  natural,
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  normal,
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  necessary,
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  necessary
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  for
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  the
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  development
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  of
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  ordinary
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  knowledge.
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  And
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  here
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  when
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  I
• 4:01
  say
• 4:01
  ordinary
• 4:01
  knowledge,
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  what
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  do
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  mean?
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  I
• 4:03
  mean
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  knowledge
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  that
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  most
• 4:04
  people
• 4:04
  know
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  as
• 4:05
  knowledge.
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  Like
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  remember
• 4:07
  knowledge,
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  studied
• 4:08
  knowledge,
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  you
• 4:09
  know,
• 4:09
  learned
• 4:10
  knowledge.
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  So
• 4:12
  knowledge
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  that
• 4:13
  we
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  learn
• 4:15
  from
• 4:15
  books
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  or
• 4:17
  from
• 4:18
  memory
• 4:19
  is
• 4:19
  not
• 4:20
  immediately
• 4:21
  in
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  moment.
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  Like
• 4:23
  if
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  you're
• 4:24
  having
• 4:25
  an
• 4:25
  orange
• 4:25
  and
• 4:26
  you're
• 4:26
  eating
• 4:26
  it
• 4:27
  right
• 4:27
  now
• 4:27
  and
• 4:28
  sucking
• 4:28
  the
• 4:28
  juice,
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  is
• 4:30
  not
• 4:30
  rarefied
• 4:31
  experience,
• 4:31
  that
• 4:32
  is
• 4:32
  immediate.
• 4:33
  You're
• 4:33
  tasting
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  orange
• 4:35
  taste
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  juice
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  and
• 4:36
  all
• 4:36
  that.
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  Now
• 4:37
  it's
• 4:37
  more
• 4:37
  immediate,
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  you
• 4:39
  see,
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  every
• 4:41
  occasion
• 4:41
  is
• 4:41
  remembering.
• 4:42
  You're
• 4:42
  eating,
• 4:43
  you
• 4:43
  know.
• 4:44
  So
• 4:45
  is
• 4:45
  it
• 4:45
  making
• 4:45
  thoughts
• 4:46
  an
• 4:46
  object
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  consciousness,
• 4:48
  so
• 4:48
  to
• 4:48
  speak?
• 4:49
  And
• 4:49
  it
• 4:49
  can
• 4:49
  get
• 4:49
  in
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  way
• 4:50
  of
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  objects,
• 4:51
  can
• 4:51
  get
• 4:51
  in
• 4:51
  the
• 4:51
  way
• 4:51
  of
• 4:52
  our
• 4:52
  direct
• 4:52
  experience
• 4:53
  of
• 4:53
  being.
• 4:54
  That's
• 4:54
  a
• 4:54
  good
• 4:54
  way
• 4:55
  of
• 4:55
  saying
• 4:55
  it,
• 4:55
  John.
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  Yeah,
• 4:57
  but
• 4:57
  you
• 4:57
  see,
• 4:58
  to
• 4:58
  understand,
• 4:59
  we
• 4:59
  need
• 4:59
  to
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  understand
• 5:00
  two
• 5:00
  kinds
• 5:01
  of
• 5:01
  knowing.
• 5:03
  And
• 5:03
  this
• 5:03
  chapter
• 5:04
  goes
• 5:04
  detail
• 5:05
  about
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  two
• 5:05
  kinds
• 5:06
  of
• 5:06
  knowing.
• 5:08
  You
• 5:08
  see,
• 5:08
  there
• 5:09
  is
• 5:09
  what
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  call
• 5:10
  ordinary
• 5:10
  knowledge,
• 5:12
  ordinary
• 5:12
  knowing
• 5:13
  and
• 5:14
  basic
• 5:14
  knowing.
• 5:15
  Ordinary
• 5:15
  knowing
• 5:16
  is
• 5:16
  what
• 5:16
  most
• 5:16
  people
• 5:17
  know.
• 5:18
  But
• 5:18
  we
• 5:19
  know
• 5:19
  that
• 5:19
  in
• 5:19
  spiritual
• 5:20
  experience
• 5:20
  realization
• 5:21
  there's
• 5:21
  knowing.
• 5:22
  And
• 5:22
  it's
• 5:22
  been
• 5:23
  called
• 5:24
  noises
• 5:24
  or
• 5:25
  noises
• 5:27
  and
• 5:28
  Tibetan,
• 5:29
  yeshay
• 5:31
  or
• 5:31
  yana
• 5:32
  in
• 5:33
  Sanskrit,
• 5:34
  which
• 5:34
  is
• 5:35
  knowledge
• 5:36
  through
• 5:37
  being
• 5:38
  one
• 5:38
  with
• 5:38
  what
• 5:39
  we
• 5:39
  know.
• 5:40
  It
• 5:40
  is
• 5:42
  immediate
• 5:43
  knowledge
• 5:43
  of
• 5:43
  immediacy,
• 5:45
  like
• 5:46
  knowing
• 5:46
  love
• 5:47
  by
• 5:48
  feeling
• 5:48
  and
• 5:49
  being
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  love
• 5:49
  for,
• 5:51
  you
• 5:51
  know,
• 5:51
  not
• 5:52
  knowing
• 5:52
  love.
• 5:53
  Well,
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  know
• 5:54
  what
• 5:54
  love
• 5:55
  is
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  remember
• 5:56
  it.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:56
  you
• 5:57
  know,
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  was
• 5:58
  heartbroken
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  all
• 5:59
  of
• 5:59
  that.
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  wasn't
• 6:00
  loved.
• 6:01
  You
• 6:01
  know,
• 6:01
  love
• 6:02
  is
• 6:02
  really
• 6:02
  immersed
• 6:03
  in
• 6:03
  love.
• 6:03
  Like
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  way
• 6:04
  we
• 6:04
  talked
• 6:04
  about
• 6:05
  divine
• 6:06
  love,
• 6:06
  for
• 6:06
  instance,
• 6:07
  you
• 6:07
  know
• 6:07
  in
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  previous
• 6:08
  chapter
• 6:09
  how
• 6:10
  it
• 6:10
  is
• 6:10
  like
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  substantial
• 6:12
  expanse,
• 6:13
  you
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  not
• 6:14
  as
• 6:14
  an
• 6:15
  immediate
• 6:15
  knowledge.
• 6:17
  That
• 6:18
  knowledge
• 6:18
  I
• 6:19
  call
• 6:19
  basic
• 6:19
  knowledge.
• 6:21
  So
• 6:21
  we
• 6:21
  need
• 6:21
  the
• 6:22
  difference
• 6:22
  between
• 6:22
  basic
• 6:23
  knowledge
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  knowledge.
• 6:23
  So
• 6:23
  basic
• 6:24
  knowledge
• 6:24
  is
• 6:25
  knowledge
• 6:25
  that
• 6:25
  is
• 6:26
  immediacy.
• 6:27
  Immediate
• 6:27
  it
• 6:28
  knowing
• 6:29
  knowing.
• 6:30
  Actually
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  call
• 6:31
  it
• 6:31
  knowing
• 6:32
  by
• 6:32
  being.
• 6:33
  Like
• 6:33
  knowing
• 6:33
  love
• 6:34
  by
• 6:34
  being
• 6:34
  love.
• 6:35
  Knowing
• 6:35
  peace
• 6:36
  by
• 6:36
  knowing
• 6:37
  by
• 6:37
  being
• 6:37
  peace,
• 6:39
  knowing
• 6:39
  compassion
• 6:40
  by
• 6:40
  being
• 6:40
  compassion,
• 6:43
  you
• 6:44
  see,
• 6:45
  and
• 6:45
  we.
• 6:45
  We
• 6:45
  get
• 6:46
  this
• 6:46
  basic
• 6:46
  knowledge
• 6:47
  by
• 6:47
  experience
• 6:48
  and
• 6:48
  it's
• 6:48
  already
• 6:49
  there.
• 6:49
  It's
• 6:49
  not
• 6:49
  something
• 6:50
  we
• 6:50
  have
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  learn.
• 6:51
  It's
• 6:51
  more
• 6:51
  like
• 6:51
  remembering
• 6:52
  these.
• 6:52
  This
• 6:53
  essence
• 6:53
  like
• 6:53
  divine
• 6:54
  love,
• 6:55
  it's
• 6:56
  inherent,
• 6:56
  it's
• 6:57
  already
• 6:57
  there.
• 6:57
  Basic
• 6:58
  knowledge
• 6:58
  is
• 6:58
  a
• 6:59
  feature
• 6:59
  of
• 6:59
  real
• 6:59
  reality,
• 7:01
  an
• 7:01
  important
• 7:01
  feature
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  reality.
• 7:03
  So
• 7:04
  basic
• 7:04
  knowledge
• 7:05
  is
• 7:05
  the
• 7:06
  beginning
• 7:06
  of
• 7:07
  knowing,
• 7:07
  really
• 7:08
  most
• 7:09
  elemental
• 7:10
  knowing.
• 7:11
  But
• 7:12
  basic
• 7:12
  knowledge
• 7:13
  is
• 7:13
  not
• 7:13
  a
• 7:14
  reified
• 7:15
  knowledge.
• 7:16
  It's
• 7:16
  knowing.
• 7:17
  The
• 7:17
  most
• 7:20
  discussed
• 7:20
  and
• 7:21
  spiritual
• 7:21
  teaching
• 7:23
  is
• 7:23
  knowing
• 7:23
  being
• 7:24
  by
• 7:24
  being,
• 7:25
  being,
• 7:26
  unknown
• 7:26
  consciousness
• 7:27
  by
• 7:27
  being
• 7:27
  consciousness.
• 7:29
  You
• 7:29
  know,
• 7:31
  so
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  being
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  presence
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  known
• 7:35
  presence
• 7:35
  are
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  same
• 7:36
  thing.
• 7:37
  They're
• 7:38
  not
• 7:38
  two
• 7:38
  things,
• 7:38
  they're
• 7:39
  not
• 7:39
  separate,
• 7:39
  they're
• 7:40
  not
• 7:40
  differentiated.
• 7:41
  They're
• 7:41
  like
• 7:41
  two
• 7:42
  sides
• 7:42
  of
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  same
• 7:42
  thing.
• 7:43
  And
• 7:44
  then
• 7:44
  we
• 7:44
  can
• 7:44
  know
• 7:45
  everything
• 7:45
  like
• 7:45
  that.
• 7:45
  We
• 7:46
  can
• 7:46
  know
• 7:46
  our
• 7:47
  qualities
• 7:47
  of
• 7:48
  our
• 7:48
  true
• 7:49
  nature,
• 7:49
  or
• 7:49
  we
• 7:49
  can
• 7:50
  know
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  soul,
• 7:50
  our
• 7:51
  soul
• 7:51
  or
• 7:51
  consciousness.
• 7:53
  We
• 7:53
  could
• 7:53
  know
• 7:54
  many
• 7:54
  things
• 7:54
  in
• 7:54
  our
• 7:54
  experience.
• 7:55
  And
• 7:56
  of
• 7:56
  course
• 7:56
  there
• 7:56
  are
• 7:56
  degrees
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  how
• 7:57
  immediate
• 7:58
  things
• 7:58
  are.
• 7:59
  Like
• 7:59
  table
• 8:00
  in
• 8:00
  front
• 8:00
  of
• 8:01
  me,
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  desk
• 8:02
  and
• 8:02
  touching
• 8:02
  it
• 8:03
  immediately
• 8:04
  at
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  same
• 8:04
  time,
• 8:05
  however,
• 8:05
  it's
• 8:06
  not
• 8:06
  completely
• 8:06
  immediate
• 8:08
  because
• 8:09
  in
• 8:10
  my
• 8:10
  mindset,
• 8:10
  it's
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  table.
• 8:12
  It
• 8:12
  exists
• 8:13
  on
• 8:13
  its
• 8:13
  own.
• 8:13
  That
• 8:14
  is
• 8:14
  a
• 8:14
  reified
• 8:15
  table.
• 8:15
  Then
• 8:16
  basic
• 8:17
  table,
• 8:18
  it
• 8:18
  recognizes
• 8:19
  it
• 8:19
  is
• 8:19
  made
• 8:20
  out
• 8:20
  of
• 8:20
  presence.
• 8:22
  Presence
• 8:23
  appearing
• 8:23
  as
• 8:23
  a
• 8:24
  table,
• 8:25
  that
• 8:26
  is
• 8:26
  basic
• 8:26
  knowledge
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  the
• 8:28
  desk.
• 8:29
  But
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  see
• 8:29
  it
• 8:29
  as
• 8:29
  a
• 8:30
  chest
• 8:30
  but
• 8:30
  made
• 8:30
  out
• 8:30
  of
• 8:31
  wood
• 8:31
  and
• 8:31
  separate
• 8:32
  and
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  came
• 8:32
  out
• 8:32
  from
• 8:32
  a
• 8:33
  tree
• 8:33
  and
• 8:33
  all
• 8:33
  that
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  is
• 8:35
  ordinary
• 8:36
  knowledge.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  of
• 8:37
  course,
• 8:37
  ordinary
• 8:38
  knowledge
• 8:38
  has
• 8:38
  its
• 8:38
  uses
• 8:39
  as
• 8:39
  we
• 8:39
  know
• 8:40
  it
• 8:40
  culminates
• 8:41
  in
• 8:41
  what
• 8:41
  we
• 8:41
  call
• 8:42
  scientific
• 8:42
  knowledge.
• 8:43
  Scientific
• 8:43
  knowledge
• 8:43
  is
• 8:44
  all
• 8:44
  ordinary
• 8:44
  knowledge.
• 8:46
  And
• 8:47
  UC
• 8:47
  Berkeley,
• 8:48
  near
• 8:48
  where
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  are,
• 8:48
  that's
• 8:49
  an
• 8:49
  ordinary
• 8:49
  knowledge
• 8:50
  school.
• 8:50
  They
• 8:50
  wouldn't
• 8:50
  like
• 8:51
  that.
• 8:51
  But
• 8:51
  yeah,
• 8:52
  that's
• 8:53
  what
• 8:53
  they're
• 8:53
  learning.
• 8:53
  Well,
• 8:54
  it
• 8:54
  is.
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  mean,
• 8:55
  but
• 8:55
  remember
• 8:56
  Berkeley,
• 8:58
  it's
• 8:58
  called.
• 8:58
  Do
• 8:58
  you
• 8:59
  know
• 8:59
  why
• 8:59
  it's
• 8:59
  called
• 8:59
  Berkeley?
• 9:03
  Philosopher,
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  think.
• 9:04
  Philosopher.
• 9:05
  Berkeley
• 9:06
  was
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  philosopher
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  he
• 9:10
  was
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  bishop.
• 9:12
  No
• 9:12
  kidding.
• 9:13
  Yeah,
• 9:14
  Bishop
• 9:14
  Berkeley.
• 9:16
  I
• 9:17
  mean,
• 9:17
  well
• 9:18
  known.
• 9:19
  British,
• 9:19
  I
• 9:20
  think,
• 9:20
  or
• 9:21
  Irish,
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  don't
• 9:21
  remember.
• 9:23
  So
• 9:23
  Berkeley
• 9:24
  has
• 9:25
  in
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  name.
• 9:26
  There
• 9:26
  is
• 9:28
  some
• 9:28
  kind
• 9:28
  of
• 9:28
  a
• 9:29
  spiritual
• 9:29
  component
• 9:30
  in
• 9:30
  it
• 9:31
  by
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  fact
• 9:32
  that
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  philosopher
• 9:32
  was
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  bishop.
• 9:33
  But
• 9:34
  spiritual.
• 9:35
  I
• 9:36
  was
• 9:36
  hearing
• 9:36
  that
• 9:36
  from
• 9:37
  a
• 9:37
  professor
• 9:38
  friend,
• 9:38
  Alsen.
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  was
• 9:39
  telling
• 9:40
  the
• 9:40
  history
• 9:41
  of
• 9:41
  Berkeley
• 9:42
  that
• 9:42
  this
• 9:42
  town
• 9:43
  was
• 9:43
  named
• 9:44
  after
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  campus,
• 9:46
  actually.
• 9:47
  And
• 9:47
  the
• 9:48
  campus
• 9:48
  was
• 9:48
  called
• 9:48
  Berkeley
• 9:49
  because
• 9:49
  of
• 9:49
  the
• 9:50
  loss.
• 9:51
  Anyway,
• 9:52
  so
• 9:52
  we're
• 9:53
  talking
• 9:53
  about
• 9:54
  knowledge.
• 9:54
  So
• 9:55
  really
• 9:55
  we're
• 9:55
  talking
• 9:56
  about
• 9:56
  mind.
• 9:58
  We
• 9:58
  understanding
• 9:59
  mind.
• 10:00
  What
• 10:00
  is
• 10:01
  mind,
• 10:01
  where
• 10:01
  it
• 10:02
  comes
• 10:02
  from?
• 10:04
  Because
• 10:04
  many
• 10:04
  people
• 10:05
  talk
• 10:05
  about,
• 10:06
  you
• 10:06
  know,
• 10:06
  everybody
• 10:07
  knows
• 10:07
  they
• 10:07
  have
• 10:07
  a
• 10:08
  mind,
• 10:09
  right?
• 10:10
  And
• 10:10
  where
• 10:11
  does
• 10:11
  that
• 10:11
  knowing
• 10:12
  capacity
• 10:12
  come
• 10:13
  from?
• 10:15
  You
• 10:15
  see,
• 10:16
  just
• 10:16
  like
• 10:17
  people
• 10:17
  have
• 10:17
  heart,
• 10:18
  where
• 10:18
  does
• 10:19
  the
• 10:19
  feeling
• 10:19
  capacity
• 10:20
  come
• 10:20
  from?
• 10:20
  You
• 10:20
  know,
• 10:22
  so
• 10:22
  here
• 10:23
  we
• 10:23
  see
• 10:23
  that
• 10:23
  the
• 10:24
  knowing
• 10:24
  capacity
• 10:24
  come
• 10:25
  from
• 10:25
  very
• 10:25
  deep
• 10:26
  in
• 10:27
  our
• 10:27
  true
• 10:27
  nature.
• 10:29
  When
• 10:29
  we
• 10:29
  get
• 10:29
  to
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  dimension
• 10:30
  of
• 10:30
  pure
• 10:30
  presence,
• 10:32
  pure
• 10:32
  beingness,
• 10:34
  the
• 10:35
  ontological
• 10:36
  ground
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  all
• 10:37
  reality,
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  ontological
• 10:41
  expanse,
• 10:42
  the
• 10:42
  sense
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  isness.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:45
  the
• 10:46
  sense
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  isness
• 10:47
  is
• 10:48
  direct
• 10:48
  experience,
• 10:49
  beingness
• 10:50
  of
• 10:50
  the
• 10:51
  fullness
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  isness.
• 10:53
  Everything
• 10:53
  is
• 10:55
  beingness.
• 10:56
  Beingness
• 10:58
  is
• 10:59
  not
• 10:59
  just
• 10:59
  the
• 11:00
  being
• 11:00
  of
• 11:00
  someone.
• 11:00
  Beingness
• 11:01
  is
• 11:01
  just
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  presence
• 11:04
  of
• 11:05
  the
• 11:06
  supreme
• 11:07
  being.
• 11:07
  I
• 11:08
  call
• 11:08
  it
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  supreme
• 11:09
  dimension,
• 11:10
  but
• 11:10
  the
• 11:11
  Presence
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  being
• 11:13
  or
• 11:15
  dimension
• 11:15
  of
• 11:15
  being
• 11:17
  has
• 11:17
  in
• 11:17
  it
• 11:19
  the
• 11:20
  knowing
• 11:20
  of
• 11:20
  being.
• 11:23
  Nobody
• 11:23
  experience
• 11:24
  if
• 11:24
  you
• 11:25
  experience
• 11:25
  presence
• 11:25
  and
• 11:26
  know,
• 11:26
  don't
• 11:27
  know,
• 11:27
  don't
• 11:27
  recognize.
• 11:28
  That
• 11:28
  presence,
• 11:29
  please.
• 11:29
  Is
• 11:30
  not
• 11:30
  complete.
• 11:32
  So
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  experience
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  presence,
• 11:34
  you
• 11:34
  need
• 11:34
  to
• 11:34
  know
• 11:34
  where
• 11:35
  you
• 11:35
  are,
• 11:36
  otherwise
• 11:36
  there's
• 11:36
  no
• 11:37
  awakening.
• 11:38
  You
• 11:38
  know,
• 11:38
  I'm
• 11:39
  sure
• 11:39
  many
• 11:39
  people
• 11:40
  experience
• 11:40
  presence
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  being
• 11:42
  here
• 11:42
  and
• 11:42
  there,
• 11:43
  but
• 11:43
  there's
• 11:44
  no
• 11:44
  recognition,
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  recognition
• 11:46
  of
• 11:47
  being
• 11:48
  which
• 11:49
  goes
• 11:49
  along
• 11:49
  with
• 11:50
  being.
• 11:50
  We
• 11:50
  recognize
• 11:51
  that
• 11:51
  being
• 11:52
  and
• 11:52
  knowing
• 11:53
  of
• 11:53
  being
• 11:53
  are
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  same
• 11:54
  thing.
• 11:55
  So
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  is
• 11:55
  the
• 11:56
  basic
• 11:56
  non
• 11:57
  dual
• 11:58
  understanding,
• 11:59
  which
• 11:59
  is
• 11:59
  that
• 12:00
  the
• 12:00
  knower
• 12:01
  and
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  known
• 12:02
  are
• 12:02
  the
• 12:02
  same
• 12:02
  thing.
• 12:03
  Yeah,
• 12:03
  the
• 12:04
  dichotomy
• 12:04
  goes
• 12:04
  away
• 12:05
  and
• 12:05
  the
• 12:05
  knower
• 12:05
  and
• 12:05
  the
• 12:05
  known.
• 12:06
  The
• 12:06
  known
• 12:06
  becomes
• 12:06
  a
• 12:06
  knower
• 12:07
  and
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  knower
• 12:07
  becomes
• 12:07
  a
• 12:08
  known.
• 12:08
  Yeah,
• 12:09
  but
• 12:09
  there's
• 12:10
  still
• 12:10
  the
• 12:10
  distinction
• 12:11
  of
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  individual.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:12
  that's
• 12:13
  what
• 12:13
  you
• 12:13
  say
• 12:13
  in
• 12:13
  your
• 12:13
  work,
• 12:13
  which
• 12:14
  is
• 12:14
  completely
• 12:14
  different
• 12:15
  from
• 12:15
  anything
• 12:15
  I've
• 12:16
  ever
• 12:16
  read.
• 12:17
  Yeah,
• 12:17
  we'll
• 12:17
  get
• 12:17
  to
• 12:17
  that.
• 12:18
  So
• 12:19
  the
• 12:19
  knower
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  the
• 12:19
  knower
• 12:20
  are
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  same
• 12:20
  thing.
• 12:21
  And
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  knowledge,
• 12:22
  also
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  known,
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  knower
• 12:26
  and
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  knowledge,
• 12:28
  they're
• 12:28
  all
• 12:29
  one
• 12:29
  thing.
• 12:30
  And
• 12:30
  they
• 12:30
  get
• 12:31
  differentiated
• 12:31
  in
• 12:31
  our
• 12:32
  mind
• 12:32
  later
• 12:33
  on
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  know
• 12:34
  our.
• 12:34
  But
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  realization
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  pure,
• 12:38
  what
• 12:38
  we
• 12:38
  call
• 12:38
  pure
• 12:39
  presence,
• 12:39
  which
• 12:39
  we
• 12:40
  discussed
• 12:40
  in
• 12:40
  detail
• 12:42
  last
• 12:42
  session,
• 12:43
  there
• 12:43
  is
• 12:44
  inherent
• 12:44
  in
• 12:44
  it
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  knowingness
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  being.
• 12:48
  Knowing.
• 12:49
  To
• 12:49
  say
• 12:49
  I
• 12:49
  am.
• 12:50
  Well,
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  can't
• 12:52
  say
• 12:52
  I
• 12:52
  am
• 12:53
  without
• 12:53
  knowing,
• 12:53
  without
• 12:54
  knowledge.
• 12:55
  There
• 12:55
  is
• 12:55
  knowledge
• 12:56
  involved,
• 12:57
  but
• 12:57
  it
• 12:57
  is
• 12:57
  not
• 12:58
  the
• 12:58
  knowledge
• 12:58
  of
• 12:58
  ordinary
• 12:59
  mind.
• 13:01
  The
• 13:02
  ordinary
• 13:02
  mind,
• 13:02
  knowledge
• 13:03
  is
• 13:04
  more
• 13:05
  mental,
• 13:06
  more
• 13:06
  representational,
• 13:09
  more
• 13:10
  remembered.
• 13:12
  While
• 13:12
  here
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  knowing
• 13:14
  is
• 13:14
  more
• 13:14
  immediate,
• 13:15
  has
• 13:15
  nothing
• 13:15
  to
• 13:15
  do
• 13:15
  with
• 13:16
  memory.
• 13:16
  It's
• 13:17
  not
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  representation.
• 13:18
  It's
• 13:18
  immediate,
• 13:19
  direct.
• 13:19
  It
• 13:20
  comes
• 13:21
  like
• 13:22
  presence,
• 13:23
  knows
• 13:24
  itself
• 13:24
  by
• 13:25
  recognizing,
• 13:26
  recognizes
• 13:27
  itself.
• 13:27
  By
• 13:27
  recognizing
• 13:28
  itself,
• 13:28
  it
• 13:29
  comes,
• 13:29
  recognizes
• 13:30
  itself
• 13:30
  as
• 13:31
  being.
• 13:32
  So
• 13:33
  it's
• 13:34
  like
• 13:34
  it
• 13:34
  becomes
• 13:35
  so
• 13:35
  subtle,
• 13:36
  like
• 13:36
  being
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  knowing
• 13:37
  are
• 13:38
  so
• 13:38
  inseparable.
• 13:39
  So
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  same
• 13:39
  thing.
• 13:40
  And
• 13:40
  this
• 13:41
  is
• 13:41
  an
• 13:41
  experience,
• 13:41
  not
• 13:42
  a
• 13:42
  concept.
• 13:42
  Correct
• 13:43
  that.
• 13:44
  I
• 13:44
  mean,
• 13:44
  people
• 13:44
  can
• 13:45
  follow
• 13:45
  this
• 13:45
  conceptually,
• 13:46
  but
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  experience
• 13:46
  is
• 13:48
  the
• 13:48
  realization.
• 13:50
  It's
• 13:50
  what
• 13:50
  I
• 13:50
  call
• 13:50
  realization
• 13:51
  of
• 13:52
  being,
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  be
• 13:53
  being.
• 13:54
  I
• 13:54
  mean,
• 13:55
  people
• 13:55
  talk
• 13:55
  about
• 13:56
  I
• 13:56
  am,
• 13:58
  right?
• 13:58
  But
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  I
• 13:59
  am
• 13:59
  is
• 13:59
  an
• 13:59
  experience,
• 14:00
  it's
• 14:00
  not
• 14:00
  a
• 14:01
  thought,
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  know,
• 14:03
  And
• 14:03
  I
• 14:03
  am
• 14:04
  is
• 14:04
  knowing
• 14:04
  that
• 14:05
  the,
• 14:07
  the
• 14:07
  amnes,
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  isness
• 14:09
  of
• 14:10
  being.
• 14:10
  But
• 14:11
  here
• 14:12
  isn't
• 14:13
  even
• 14:13
  I,
• 14:13
  there's
• 14:14
  just
• 14:15
  being.
• 14:16
  Being
• 14:16
  knows
• 14:17
  being.
• 14:18
  And
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  might
• 14:19
  add
• 14:19
  to
• 14:19
  it
• 14:20
  I
• 14:20
  at
• 14:20
  some
• 14:21
  point,
• 14:21
  but
• 14:21
  that's
• 14:22
  an
• 14:22
  additional
• 14:23
  concept.
• 14:24
  So
• 14:25
  the
• 14:25
  first
• 14:25
  concept,
• 14:26
  and
• 14:26
  the
• 14:27
  important
• 14:27
  thing
• 14:27
  here
• 14:28
  in
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  discussion
• 14:30
  is
• 14:31
  that
• 14:31
  that
• 14:32
  shows
• 14:32
  us
• 14:34
  the
• 14:34
  original
• 14:35
  concept,
• 14:36
  the
• 14:37
  original
• 14:37
  knowing,
• 14:37
  the
• 14:38
  original
• 14:38
  concept
• 14:38
  in
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  first
• 14:39
  possibility,
• 14:40
  the
• 14:41
  first
• 14:41
  glimmer
• 14:42
  of
• 14:42
  knowing
• 14:43
  in
• 14:43
  true
• 14:43
  nature,
• 14:44
  the
• 14:45
  first
• 14:45
  manifestation
• 14:46
  Knowing,
• 14:46
  which
• 14:46
  is
• 14:47
  knowing
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  being
• 14:49
  known,
• 14:50
  the
• 14:50
  beingness
• 14:51
  of
• 14:51
  true
• 14:51
  nature.
• 14:52
  This
• 14:52
  ontology
• 14:53
  is
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  fact
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  is.
• 14:55
  And
• 14:55
  we
• 14:55
  see
• 14:55
  that
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  say
• 14:57
  is,
• 14:58
  is
• 14:58
  knowing
• 14:59
  of
• 14:59
  is.
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  am
• 15:00
  being.
• 15:02
  But
• 15:02
  in
• 15:02
  the
• 15:03
  act
• 15:03
  of
• 15:03
  being,
• 15:04
  it
• 15:05
  is
• 15:05
  also
• 15:05
  the
• 15:06
  knowing
• 15:06
  of
• 15:07
  being.
• 15:08
  And
• 15:08
  they're
• 15:08
  so
• 15:09
  inseparable
• 15:10
  and
• 15:10
  distinguishable
• 15:11
  that
• 15:11
  they
• 15:12
  are
• 15:12
  really
• 15:12
  the
• 15:13
  same
• 15:13
  thing.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:14
  it
• 15:14
  is.
• 15:15
  And
• 15:15
  that
• 15:15
  is
• 15:16
  known
• 15:16
  in
• 15:16
  many
• 15:16
  teachings.
• 15:18
  That's
• 15:18
  not
• 15:18
  new,
• 15:19
  you
• 15:20
  see.
• 15:21
  But
• 15:21
  what
• 15:21
  I'm
• 15:22
  saying
• 15:23
  here
• 15:23
  is
• 15:23
  that
• 15:24
  is
• 15:24
  the
• 15:24
  beginning
• 15:24
  of
• 15:25
  mind,
• 15:26
  all
• 15:27
  mind,
• 15:27
  including
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  individual
• 15:29
  mind.
• 15:30
  That's
• 15:30
  where
• 15:30
  mind
• 15:31
  begins.
• 15:31
  Because
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  mind
• 15:32
  needs
• 15:32
  knowing
• 15:34
  is
• 15:34
  a
• 15:35
  foundation
• 15:35
  of
• 15:36
  any
• 15:36
  mind
• 15:37
  is
• 15:37
  knowing
• 15:38
  to
• 15:38
  be
• 15:38
  able
• 15:38
  to
• 15:38
  know.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:40
  I'm
• 15:40
  saying
• 15:40
  that's
• 15:40
  where
• 15:40
  the
• 15:41
  capacity
• 15:41
  of
• 15:41
  knowing
• 15:42
  comes
• 15:42
  from.
• 15:42
  Being
• 15:43
  has
• 15:43
  that
• 15:43
  capacity
• 15:44
  of
• 15:44
  knowing.
• 15:45
  So
• 15:46
  that's
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  very
• 15:46
  fundamentally
• 15:47
  different
• 15:48
  understanding
• 15:49
  of
• 15:50
  the
• 15:51
  capacity
• 15:51
  for
• 15:51
  knowing
• 15:52
  than
• 15:53
  for
• 15:53
  example,
• 15:53
  our
• 15:54
  scientific
• 15:54
  one,
• 15:55
  which
• 15:55
  sees
• 15:56
  it
• 15:56
  as
• 15:56
  a
• 15:56
  result
• 15:57
  of
• 15:58
  neuronal
• 15:58
  mechanisms,
• 15:59
  et
• 15:59
  cetera,
• 16:00
  et
• 16:00
  cetera.
• 16:00
  Does
• 16:00
  a
• 16:01
  neuronal
• 16:01
  reductionism.
• 16:02
  You're
• 16:03
  bringing
• 16:03
  it
• 16:03
  down
• 16:03
  to
• 16:04
  the.
• 16:04
  This
• 16:04
  is
• 16:04
  a
• 16:05
  fundamental
• 16:05
  aspect
• 16:06
  or
• 16:07
  capacity
• 16:07
  of
• 16:08
  being.
• 16:11
  Yeah,
• 16:12
  yeah,
• 16:13
  yes.
• 16:14
  And
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  course
• 16:16
  science
• 16:16
  doesn't
• 16:16
  study
• 16:17
  that.
• 16:17
  You
• 16:18
  know,
• 16:18
  doesn't
• 16:19
  study
• 16:19
  ology,
• 16:20
  as
• 16:20
  I've
• 16:21
  been
• 16:21
  told
• 16:21
  by
• 16:21
  many
• 16:21
  scientists,
• 16:22
  neos,
• 16:22
  scientists,
• 16:23
  we
• 16:23
  don't
• 16:23
  study
• 16:24
  ontology.
• 16:27
  We
• 16:27
  study.
• 16:29
  And
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  ask
• 16:29
  him,
• 16:30
  what
• 16:30
  is
• 16:30
  consciousness?
• 16:32
  Then
• 16:33
  they
• 16:33
  were
• 16:33
  talking
• 16:33
  about
• 16:34
  what
• 16:34
  consciousness
• 16:34
  does.
• 16:35
  I
• 16:35
  said,
• 16:35
  no,
• 16:35
  no,
• 16:36
  that's
• 16:36
  not
• 16:37
  what
• 16:37
  consciousness
• 16:38
  is.
• 16:38
  That's
• 16:38
  what
• 16:38
  consciousness,
• 16:39
  that
• 16:40
  function
• 16:40
  of
• 16:40
  consciousness
• 16:41
  which
• 16:41
  it
• 16:41
  perceives.
• 16:44
  HamHameedid,
• 16:45
  a
• 16:45
  question
• 16:46
  Is,
• 16:46
  is
• 16:47
  mind
• 16:47
  distinct.
• 16:48
  From
• 16:48
  being
• 16:49
  in
• 16:49
  this
• 16:49
  level?
• 16:50
  On
• 16:50
  this
• 16:50
  realization,
• 16:52
  mind
• 16:52
  and
• 16:52
  being
• 16:53
  are
• 16:53
  the
• 16:53
  same
• 16:53
  thing.
• 16:54
  Okay,
• 16:56
  mind
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  being.
• 16:56
  But
• 16:57
  mind
• 16:57
  here
• 16:57
  is
• 16:58
  in
• 16:58
  original
• 16:58
  sense
• 16:59
  as
• 16:59
  knowing.
• 17:01
  The
• 17:02
  ground
• 17:02
  of
• 17:02
  mind
• 17:03
  is
• 17:03
  knowing.
• 17:04
  Without
• 17:05
  knowing,
• 17:05
  there's
• 17:05
  no
• 17:05
  mind.
• 17:10
  So
• 17:10
  this
• 17:10
  is
• 17:11
  sort
• 17:11
  of
• 17:11
  the
• 17:12
  proto
• 17:12
  mind,
• 17:13
  the
• 17:13
  beginning
• 17:13
  of
• 17:13
  mind.
• 17:15
  We're
• 17:15
  seeing
• 17:16
  the
• 17:16
  origin
• 17:17
  of
• 17:17
  mind,
• 17:17
  where
• 17:17
  mind
• 17:18
  come
• 17:18
  from,
• 17:18
  which
• 17:19
  is
• 17:19
  the
• 17:19
  immediate
• 17:20
  knowing,
• 17:20
  which
• 17:20
  I
• 17:20
  call
• 17:21
  basics
• 17:21
  knowledge.
• 17:23
  But
• 17:24
  the
• 17:25
  important
• 17:26
  thing
• 17:26
  also
• 17:26
  in
• 17:27
  basic
• 17:27
  knowledge,
• 17:28
  you
• 17:28
  know,
• 17:29
  we'll
• 17:29
  get
• 17:29
  to
• 17:29
  your
• 17:30
  question,
• 17:30
  John,
• 17:32
  is
• 17:32
  that
• 17:33
  basic
• 17:34
  knowledge
• 17:36
  means
• 17:37
  there
• 17:38
  is
• 17:38
  a
• 17:38
  concept.
• 17:41
  To
• 17:42
  know
• 17:43
  is
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  have
• 17:43
  a
• 17:44
  concept.
• 17:44
  Know
• 17:46
  implies
• 17:47
  a
• 17:47
  concept.
• 17:49
  But
• 17:49
  concept
• 17:50
  here
• 17:50
  is
• 17:50
  not
• 17:50
  what
• 17:51
  most
• 17:51
  people
• 17:51
  call
• 17:51
  concept
• 17:52
  Here.
• 17:53
  Most
• 17:53
  people,
• 17:53
  when
• 17:54
  they
• 17:54
  talk
• 17:54
  about
• 17:54
  concept,
• 17:55
  they
• 17:55
  mean
• 17:56
  a
• 17:56
  thought
• 17:57
  in
• 17:57
  the
• 17:57
  mind,
• 17:57
  a
• 17:57
  word
• 17:58
  in
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  mind
• 17:59
  or
• 17:59
  a
• 17:59
  representation.
• 18:01
  But
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  concept
• 18:02
  here
• 18:02
  is
• 18:02
  the
• 18:02
  knowing.
• 18:04
  The
• 18:04
  fact
• 18:05
  that
• 18:05
  it
• 18:05
  is
• 18:05
  a
• 18:05
  knowing,
• 18:06
  a
• 18:06
  particular
• 18:07
  is
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  knowing
• 18:08
  of
• 18:08
  being,
• 18:08
  not
• 18:08
  the
• 18:08
  knowing
• 18:09
  of
• 18:09
  something
• 18:09
  else.
• 18:11
  So
• 18:11
  it's
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  concept
• 18:12
  of
• 18:13
  being.
• 18:14
  So
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  knowing
• 18:15
  of
• 18:15
  being
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  the
• 18:15
  concept
• 18:16
  of
• 18:16
  being
• 18:16
  are
• 18:16
  the
• 18:17
  same
• 18:17
  thing.
• 18:20
  So
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  call
• 18:22
  it
• 18:22
  the
• 18:22
  basic
• 18:23
  concepts
• 18:24
  to
• 18:24
  differentiate
• 18:25
  it
• 18:25
  from
• 18:25
  what
• 18:25
  most
• 18:26
  people
• 18:26
  call
• 18:26
  kamsa,
• 18:27
  most
• 18:27
  spiritual
• 18:28
  Teachings,
• 18:28
  when
• 18:29
  they
• 18:29
  talk
• 18:29
  about
• 18:30
  reality
• 18:31
  is
• 18:31
  non
• 18:31
  conceptual,
• 18:32
  they
• 18:32
  mean
• 18:32
  it's
• 18:33
  not
• 18:33
  mental.
• 18:34
  They
• 18:35
  are
• 18:35
  not
• 18:35
  eliminating
• 18:36
  this
• 18:36
  basic
• 18:36
  knowledge.
• 18:38
  Because
• 18:38
  if
• 18:39
  you.
• 18:39
  John
• 18:41
  Roger,
• 18:41
  you
• 18:42
  know
• 18:42
  about
• 18:42
  that
• 18:42
  like
• 18:43
  in
• 18:43
  torture.
• 18:45
  I
• 18:46
  mean,
• 18:46
  rigpa
• 18:47
  is
• 18:47
  knowing
• 18:49
  is
• 18:49
  knowing
• 18:50
  of
• 18:52
  awareness
• 18:52
  or
• 18:53
  being.
• 18:54
  So
• 18:54
  there
• 18:55
  is
• 18:55
  knowing
• 18:55
  there,
• 18:57
  you
• 18:57
  see.
• 18:58
  So
• 18:59
  it's
• 18:59
  not
• 19:00
  so
• 19:00
  what
• 19:00
  they
• 19:00
  call
• 19:01
  it
• 19:01
  not
• 19:01
  conceptual,
• 19:02
  but
• 19:02
  they
• 19:03
  say
• 19:03
  it
• 19:03
  knows
• 19:04
  itself.
• 19:06
  Well,
• 19:07
  for
• 19:07
  me,
• 19:09
  non
• 19:09
  conceptual
• 19:10
  is
• 19:10
  another
• 19:11
  state.
• 19:12
  It
• 19:12
  is
• 19:13
  conceptual,
• 19:13
  but
• 19:14
  it's
• 19:15
  different
• 19:15
  from
• 19:15
  ordinary
• 19:16
  conceptualization.
• 19:18
  We
• 19:18
  call
• 19:18
  it
• 19:18
  basic
• 19:19
  concept.
• 19:22
  So
• 19:22
  it's
• 19:22
  knowing
• 19:23
  that
• 19:23
  is
• 19:23
  fundamental.
• 19:24
  That
• 19:24
  is
• 19:24
  what
• 19:25
  I
• 19:25
  call
• 19:25
  the
• 19:25
  knowledge
• 19:25
  of
• 19:26
  divinity,
• 19:27
  God's
• 19:28
  mind.
• 19:29
  You
• 19:30
  see,
• 19:31
  this
• 19:32
  basic
• 19:32
  knowing,
• 19:32
  you
• 19:33
  could
• 19:33
  say
• 19:33
  it's
• 19:33
  the
• 19:34
  original
• 19:34
  concept.
• 19:35
  So
• 19:36
  original
• 19:36
  concept
• 19:36
  is
• 19:37
  only
• 19:37
  one
• 19:37
  concept.
• 19:37
  When
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  am
• 19:38
  being,
• 19:39
  purely
• 19:39
  being,
• 19:40
  there's
• 19:40
  only
• 19:40
  one
• 19:41
  concept
• 19:42
  and
• 19:43
  that
• 19:43
  is
• 19:43
  being,
• 19:44
  which
• 19:44
  is
• 19:45
  the
• 19:45
  same
• 19:45
  thing
• 19:45
  as
• 19:46
  being.
• 19:46
  Being,
• 19:47
  which
• 19:47
  is
• 19:48
  the
• 19:48
  experience
• 19:48
  of
• 19:48
  being.
• 19:49
  And
• 19:50
  is
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  existence.
• 19:51
  Being?
• 19:52
  Yes,
• 19:53
  being
• 19:53
  is
• 19:53
  existence
• 19:54
  is
• 19:54
  isness
• 19:56
  is
• 19:56
  pure
• 19:57
  ontology.
• 20:01
  But
• 20:01
  I'm
• 20:01
  saying
• 20:02
  that
• 20:02
  the
• 20:02
  being
• 20:03
  and
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  knowing
• 20:04
  are
• 20:05
  the
• 20:05
  same
• 20:05
  thing
• 20:05
  here.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:07
  I'm
• 20:07
  saying
• 20:08
  that
• 20:08
  being
• 20:08
  is
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  origin
• 20:09
  of
• 20:10
  mind.
• 20:11
  That
• 20:12
  is
• 20:12
  a
• 20:12
  new
• 20:12
  statement.
• 20:13
  Maybe,
• 20:13
  I
• 20:14
  don't
• 20:14
  know
• 20:14
  if
• 20:14
  anybody
• 20:14
  else
• 20:15
  said
• 20:15
  it,
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  being
• 20:16
  the
• 20:16
  origin
• 20:16
  of
• 20:16
  mind.
• 20:16
  Some
• 20:17
  people
• 20:18
  did
• 20:19
  see
• 20:20
  that
• 20:20
  being
• 20:20
  and
• 20:21
  knowing
• 20:22
  are
• 20:22
  connected.
• 20:24
  I'm
• 20:25
  saying
• 20:25
  him
• 20:25
  going
• 20:26
  a
• 20:26
  little
• 20:26
  further
• 20:26
  by
• 20:26
  saying
• 20:27
  that
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  experience
• 20:28
  of
• 20:29
  being.
• 20:29
  No,
• 20:30
  mind
• 20:32
  being
• 20:32
  knows
• 20:33
  itself
• 20:33
  as
• 20:34
  being.
• 20:34
  And
• 20:35
  that
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  the
• 20:35
  beginning
• 20:36
  of
• 20:36
  knowing.
• 20:37
  Original
• 20:38
  concept.
• 20:38
  And
• 20:39
  that
• 20:39
  concept
• 20:39
  that
• 20:40
  can
• 20:40
  then
• 20:40
  differentiate.
• 20:43
  And
• 20:44
  the
• 20:44
  chapter
• 20:44
  goes
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  say
• 20:45
  the
• 20:46
  original
• 20:46
  differentiation
• 20:47
  and
• 20:48
  differentiation
• 20:49
  into
• 20:50
  differentiation
• 20:51
  of
• 20:51
  presence
• 20:51
  into
• 20:52
  different
• 20:52
  kind
• 20:52
  of
• 20:52
  presence,
• 20:54
  which
• 20:55
  we
• 20:55
  discussed
• 20:55
  in
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  past,
• 20:56
  are
• 20:56
  the
• 20:57
  essential
• 20:57
  aspect
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  essential
• 20:59
  presence
• 21:00
  with
• 21:00
  equality.
• 21:01
  So
• 21:02
  if
• 21:02
  you
• 21:02
  take
• 21:02
  love
• 21:03
  for
• 21:03
  instance,
• 21:05
  love
• 21:06
  has
• 21:06
  two
• 21:07
  concepts
• 21:08
  instead
• 21:08
  of
• 21:08
  one
• 21:08
  concept.
• 21:09
  Being
• 21:09
  has
• 21:09
  one
• 21:10
  concept,
• 21:10
  which
• 21:10
  is
• 21:10
  being.
• 21:11
  Love
• 21:11
  has
• 21:11
  two
• 21:12
  concepts.
• 21:12
  It
• 21:12
  has
• 21:12
  the
• 21:13
  concept
• 21:13
  of
• 21:13
  being
• 21:14
  and
• 21:14
  the
• 21:15
  concept
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  love.
• 21:18
  You
• 21:18
  see.
• 21:18
  But
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  love
• 21:20
  here
• 21:21
  is
• 21:21
  a
• 21:22
  basic
• 21:22
  concept
• 21:22
  too.
• 21:23
  Just
• 21:23
  like
• 21:24
  being
• 21:24
  is
• 21:24
  a
• 21:24
  basic
• 21:25
  concept.
• 21:26
  Yeah.
• 21:26
  And
• 21:26
  we
• 21:27
  can
• 21:27
  experience
• 21:27
  it,
• 21:27
  but
• 21:28
  it's
• 21:28
  hard
• 21:28
  to
• 21:28
  conceptualize
• 21:29
  it.
• 21:30
  Like
• 21:30
  what
• 21:30
  is
• 21:30
  love?
• 21:31
  I
• 21:31
  could
• 21:31
  say
• 21:32
  it,
• 21:32
  but
• 21:32
  it
• 21:32
  would
• 21:32
  lose
• 21:32
  its
• 21:32
  power.
• 21:33
  It
• 21:33
  is
• 21:33
  a
• 21:34
  concept.
• 21:35
  When
• 21:35
  you
• 21:35
  say
• 21:36
  conceptualize,
• 21:36
  you
• 21:37
  mean
• 21:37
  ordinarily
• 21:38
  conceptualizing?
• 21:39
  Yeah,
• 21:39
  that's
• 21:39
  what
• 21:39
  I'm
• 21:40
  talking
• 21:40
  about.
• 21:40
  Yeah,
• 21:41
  represent.
• 21:41
  Then
• 21:42
  when
• 21:42
  you
• 21:43
  remember
• 21:43
  it,
• 21:44
  it
• 21:44
  becomes
• 21:44
  a
• 21:45
  representation
• 21:45
  in
• 21:45
  your
• 21:46
  mind.
• 21:47
  You
• 21:47
  have
• 21:47
  an
• 21:47
  image
• 21:48
  or
• 21:48
  memory
• 21:49
  or
• 21:49
  thought
• 21:49
  or
• 21:50
  feeling,
• 21:50
  whatever,
• 21:51
  and
• 21:52
  becomes
• 21:52
  a
• 21:52
  representation.
• 21:55
  Now
• 21:55
  that
• 21:56
  representation,
• 21:58
  which
• 21:59
  is
• 21:59
  a
• 21:59
  concept,
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  remembered
• 22:01
  concept
• 22:02
  that
• 22:03
  can
• 22:03
  be
• 22:04
  reified,
• 22:06
  meaning
• 22:07
  separating
• 22:07
  it
• 22:07
  from
• 22:08
  the
• 22:08
  ground.
• 22:10
  Separating
• 22:10
  it
• 22:10
  from
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  ground
• 22:11
  of
• 22:11
  being
• 22:12
  and
• 22:12
  becoming
• 22:13
  just
• 22:14
  an
• 22:14
  object
• 22:15
  in
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  mind.
• 22:15
  Like
• 22:16
  love
• 22:16
  is
• 22:16
  something
• 22:17
  there
• 22:18
  or
• 22:19
  the
• 22:20
  orange
• 22:20
  is.
• 22:21
  Instead
• 22:22
  of
• 22:22
  just
• 22:22
  tasting
• 22:22
  it
• 22:23
  and
• 22:23
  you
• 22:23
  can't
• 22:24
  separate
• 22:24
  it
• 22:24
  from
• 22:24
  your
• 22:25
  mouth,
• 22:25
  your
• 22:26
  mouth
• 22:26
  and
• 22:26
  your
• 22:26
  orange
• 22:27
  and
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  same
• 22:27
  thing.
• 22:27
  But
• 22:28
  then
• 22:28
  you
• 22:28
  have
• 22:28
  an
• 22:28
  orange
• 22:29
  there.
• 22:30
  The
• 22:30
  orange
• 22:30
  is
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  separate
• 22:32
  the
• 22:33
  orange
• 22:33
  and
• 22:34
  to
• 22:34
  believe
• 22:34
  the
• 22:35
  orange
• 22:35
  exists
• 22:35
  in
• 22:35
  time.
• 22:36
  That
• 22:36
  is
• 22:37
  a
• 22:37
  reification
• 22:37
  of
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  concept
• 22:38
  of
• 22:38
  origin.
• 22:40
  So
• 22:40
  reification
• 22:41
  requires
• 22:42
  concept.
• 22:43
  But
• 22:44
  when
• 22:44
  basic
• 22:45
  concept
• 22:46
  first
• 22:47
  becomes
• 22:47
  ordinary,
• 22:47
  concept
• 22:48
  means
• 22:48
  remembered
• 22:49
  and
• 22:49
  then
• 22:50
  reified,
• 22:50
  which
• 22:51
  means
• 22:51
  separated
• 22:51
  from
• 22:52
  other
• 22:52
  concept
• 22:52
  as
• 22:53
  something
• 22:53
  existing
• 22:54
  on
• 22:54
  its
• 22:54
  own,
• 22:55
  we
• 22:55
  call
• 22:55
  that
• 22:55
  reification.
• 22:57
  And
• 22:58
  that
• 22:58
  is
• 22:58
  the
• 22:58
  beginning,
• 22:59
  the
• 22:59
  ground
• 22:59
  of
• 23:00
  separation.
• 23:02
  And
• 23:02
  that
• 23:03
  gets
• 23:03
  in
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  way
• 23:03
  of
• 23:03
  us
• 23:04
  experiencing
• 23:05
  being
• 23:07
  for
• 23:07
  what
• 23:07
  it
• 23:07
  is,
• 23:08
  is
• 23:08
  our
• 23:08
  conceptualization
• 23:09
  and
• 23:09
  our.
• 23:10
  That
• 23:10
  our
• 23:11
  mind
• 23:11
  creates.
• 23:12
  Exactly.
• 23:14
  And
• 23:15
  try
• 23:15
  to
• 23:15
  link
• 23:15
  it
• 23:15
  to
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  couple
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  other
• 23:16
  things.
• 23:16
  Hameed,
• 23:17
  first
• 23:17
  is
• 23:18
  the
• 23:18
  closest
• 23:19
  I'm
• 23:19
  aware
• 23:20
  of.
• 23:20
  But
• 23:21
  your
• 23:21
  account
• 23:21
  of
• 23:22
  reification
• 23:23
  comes
• 23:23
  would
• 23:23
  be
• 23:23
  to
• 23:24
  Advaita
• 23:24
  Vedanta
• 23:25
  with
• 23:25
  its
• 23:25
  concept,
• 23:26
  with
• 23:26
  its
• 23:27
  idea
• 23:27
  of
• 23:27
  the.
• 23:28
  That
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  world
• 23:28
  is
• 23:29
  a
• 23:29
  superimposition
• 23:31
  on
• 23:31
  Brahman,
• 23:32
  on
• 23:32
  the
• 23:34
  undivided
• 23:34
  being.
• 23:35
  And
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  other
• 23:36
  association
• 23:37
  which
• 23:37
  you
• 23:38
  bring
• 23:38
  up,
• 23:38
  which
• 23:38
  is
• 23:39
  very
• 23:39
  interesting,
• 23:39
  is
• 23:39
  the
• 23:40
  point
• 23:40
  about
• 23:40
  developmental.
• 23:41
  In
• 23:41
  developmental
• 23:42
  psychology,
• 23:43
  you
• 23:43
  say
• 23:43
  that
• 23:44
  psychology
• 23:45
  assumes
• 23:46
  that
• 23:46
  the
• 23:46
  world
• 23:47
  of
• 23:47
  separate
• 23:47
  object,
• 23:48
  of
• 23:48
  reified
• 23:49
  objects
• 23:51
  is
• 23:51
  a
• 23:52
  developmental
• 23:53
  achievement.
• 23:53
  That
• 23:53
  we
• 23:53
  actually,
• 23:54
  we've
• 23:55
  matured
• 23:55
  enough
• 23:56
  to
• 23:56
  recognize
• 23:56
  the
• 23:57
  way
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  world
• 23:57
  is,
• 23:58
  that
• 23:58
  it's
• 23:58
  actually
• 23:59
  this.
• 24:00
  It's
• 24:00
  not
• 24:00
  just
• 24:02
  one
• 24:02
  whole,
• 24:03
  it
• 24:04
  is
• 24:05
  all
• 24:05
  these
• 24:05
  separate
• 24:06
  entities.
• 24:06
  But
• 24:06
  you
• 24:06
  point
• 24:07
  out
• 24:07
  that,
• 24:08
  your
• 24:08
  point
• 24:09
  is
• 24:09
  that
• 24:10
  conventional
• 24:11
  psychology
• 24:11
  and
• 24:11
  science
• 24:12
  don't
• 24:12
  recognize
• 24:13
  that
• 24:13
  this
• 24:14
  apparent
• 24:14
  world
• 24:15
  of
• 24:15
  separated,
• 24:16
  reified
• 24:17
  objects
• 24:17
  in
• 24:17
  a
• 24:17
  separated
• 24:18
  self
• 24:19
  is
• 24:19
  actually
• 24:20
  a
• 24:21
  mental
• 24:21
  construction
• 24:22
  overlaying
• 24:22
  and
• 24:23
  obscuring
• 24:24
  fundamental
• 24:25
  being.
• 24:26
  Yeah,
• 24:27
  that
• 24:28
  is
• 24:28
  accurate.
• 24:29
  At
• 24:29
  the
• 24:29
  same
• 24:30
  time,
• 24:30
  it
• 24:30
  is
• 24:30
  a
• 24:30
  developmental
• 24:31
  achievement
• 24:33
  in
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  sense
• 24:34
  developing
• 24:35
  an
• 24:35
  ordinary
• 24:37
  individual
• 24:37
  mind
• 24:38
  is
• 24:39
  something
• 24:39
  that
• 24:39
  develops
• 24:40
  and
• 24:41
  it
• 24:41
  is
• 24:41
  necessary
• 24:42
  for
• 24:42
  living
• 24:43
  and
• 24:43
  preserving
• 24:44
  our
• 24:44
  physical
• 24:45
  organism,
• 24:47
  you
• 24:47
  know,
• 24:47
  for
• 24:48
  survival.
• 24:49
  So
• 24:49
  it
• 24:49
  is
• 24:50
  an
• 24:50
  achievement
• 24:50
  in
• 24:50
  the
• 24:51
  sense
• 24:51
  it's
• 24:51
  necessary
• 24:52
  in
• 24:52
  the
• 24:53
  development
• 24:53
  of
• 24:54
  consciousness.
• 24:55
  Because,
• 24:56
  you
• 24:56
  know,
• 24:58
  majority,
• 24:59
  I
• 24:59
  mean,
• 24:59
  far
• 24:59
  majority
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  people,
• 25:01
  they
• 25:02
  grow
• 25:02
  up
• 25:02
  with
• 25:03
  an
• 25:03
  individual
• 25:04
  mind,
• 25:04
  with
• 25:05
  a
• 25:05
  sense
• 25:05
  of
• 25:05
  being
• 25:06
  in
• 25:06
  separate
• 25:06
  individual,
• 25:07
  not
• 25:08
  normal,
• 25:08
  ordinary,
• 25:09
  universal
• 25:10
  truth.
• 25:11
  And
• 25:12
  it
• 25:12
  is
• 25:12
  like
• 25:13
  it
• 25:13
  begins
• 25:14
  in
• 25:14
  pure
• 25:14
  being,
• 25:16
  but
• 25:17
  pure
• 25:17
  being,
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  origin
• 25:18
  of
• 25:18
  it,
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  source
• 25:19
  of
• 25:20
  it.
• 25:20
  But
• 25:21
  it's
• 25:21
  a
• 25:21
  further
• 25:22
  development
• 25:22
  that
• 25:23
  goes
• 25:23
  through
• 25:23
  several
• 25:24
  steps,
• 25:24
  many
• 25:25
  steps
• 25:25
  actually.
• 25:26
  First,
• 25:26
  basic
• 25:28
  concept
• 25:28
  become
• 25:29
  ordinary
• 25:29
  concept.
• 25:30
  Then
• 25:30
  ordinary
• 25:31
  concept
• 25:32
  is
• 25:32
  reified.
• 25:33
  And
• 25:34
  then
• 25:34
  that
• 25:35
  reification
• 25:36
  is
• 25:37
  related
• 25:37
  to
• 25:37
  another
• 25:38
  reification.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:39
  you
• 25:40
  have
• 25:40
  a
• 25:40
  string
• 25:40
  of
• 25:40
  reifications
• 25:42
  and
• 25:42
  that
• 25:43
  developed
• 25:44
  then
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  personality
• 25:45
  and
• 25:45
  the
• 25:46
  ego.
• 25:47
  You
• 25:47
  need
• 25:47
  all
• 25:48
  these
• 25:48
  string
• 25:48
  verification
• 25:50
  to
• 25:51
  what
• 25:51
  psychology
• 25:52
  called
• 25:53
  mental
• 25:53
  structure,
• 25:55
  which
• 25:56
  is
• 25:56
  ego.
• 25:57
  Yeah,
• 25:57
  Hameed,
• 25:58
  can
• 25:58
  we
• 25:58
  have
• 25:58
  our
• 25:58
  cake
• 25:59
  and
• 25:59
  eat
• 25:59
  it
• 25:59
  too?
• 26:00
  Can
• 26:00
  we
• 26:00
  have
• 26:00
  our
• 26:00
  intellectual
• 26:01
  concepts
• 26:02
  and
• 26:02
  all
• 26:02
  of
• 26:02
  that
• 26:02
  stuff
• 26:03
  that
• 26:03
  we've
• 26:03
  developed
• 26:04
  into?
• 26:04
  And
• 26:04
  at
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  same
• 26:05
  time,
• 26:05
  Be
• 26:05
  in
• 26:06
  touch
• 26:06
  with
• 26:06
  our
• 26:06
  ground
• 26:06
  of
• 26:06
  being.
• 26:07
  Can
• 26:07
  both
• 26:08
  of
• 26:08
  us
• 26:08
  coexist
• 26:08
  or
• 26:09
  be
• 26:09
  part
• 26:09
  of
• 26:10
  the
• 26:10
  same
• 26:10
  field,
• 26:11
  or
• 26:11
  does
• 26:11
  it
• 26:11
  always
• 26:11
  get
• 26:12
  in
• 26:12
  the
• 26:12
  way?
• 26:12
  You're
• 26:13
  looking
• 26:13
  at
• 26:13
  it,
• 26:17
  yes.
• 26:18
  How
• 26:18
  else
• 26:19
  can
• 26:19
  it
• 26:19
  be?
• 26:20
  I
• 26:20
  mean,
• 26:21
  you
• 26:21
  can
• 26:21
  be
• 26:21
  a
• 26:21
  pure
• 26:22
  being,
• 26:22
  but
• 26:23
  you
• 26:23
  need
• 26:23
  to
• 26:23
  have
• 26:24
  some
• 26:25
  conceptual
• 26:26
  order
• 26:27
  in
• 26:27
  mind
• 26:28
  to
• 26:29
  learn
• 26:30
  to
• 26:30
  eat,
• 26:30
  drive
• 26:31
  a
• 26:31
  car,
• 26:31
  all
• 26:31
  of
• 26:32
  that.
• 26:33
  You
• 26:33
  know,
• 26:34
  to
• 26:34
  write
• 26:34
  a
• 26:35
  book,
• 26:35
  try
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  book.
• 26:36
  Especially
• 26:36
  to
• 26:37
  do
• 26:37
  your
• 26:37
  taxes.
• 26:38
  You
• 26:38
  can't
• 26:38
  do
• 26:39
  taxes
• 26:40
  without
• 26:40
  a
• 26:41
  reified
• 26:41
  mind.
• 26:44
  You
• 26:44
  tell
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  IRS
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  you're
• 26:46
  resting
• 26:46
  in
• 26:47
  being
• 26:47
  and
• 26:47
  can't
• 26:48
  do
• 26:48
  them.
• 26:49
  Yeah,
• 26:50
  I
• 26:51
  remember
• 26:52
  when
• 26:52
  they
• 26:52
  asked
• 26:53
  Maharishi
• 26:53
  Mahesh
• 26:54
  Yogi
• 26:54
  and
• 26:54
  the
• 26:55
  Senate
• 26:55
  committee
• 26:56
  and
• 26:56
  they
• 26:57
  were
• 26:57
  questioning
• 26:58
  his
• 26:59
  finances.
• 27:01
  Do
• 27:02
  you
• 27:02
  have
• 27:03
  account?
• 27:03
  Do
• 27:03
  you
• 27:03
  have
• 27:04
  money?
• 27:04
  He
• 27:04
  said,
• 27:04
  yeah,
• 27:04
  they
• 27:05
  have
• 27:05
  a
• 27:05
  lot
• 27:05
  of
• 27:05
  money.
• 27:06
  He
• 27:06
  said,
• 27:06
  how
• 27:07
  much
• 27:07
  do
• 27:07
  you
• 27:07
  have?
• 27:07
  He
• 27:08
  said,
• 27:08
  well,
• 27:08
  I
• 27:08
  have
• 27:09
  access
• 27:09
  to
• 27:09
  all
• 27:10
  banks,
• 27:12
  all
• 27:12
  accounts.
• 27:13
  And
• 27:13
  they
• 27:13
  all
• 27:14
  said
• 27:14
  what?
• 27:15
  They
• 27:15
  said,
• 27:15
  yeah,
• 27:15
  I
• 27:15
  have
• 27:15
  access.
• 27:16
  It's
• 27:17
  true
• 27:17
  as
• 27:17
  being.
• 27:18
  You
• 27:18
  have
• 27:19
  all
• 27:19
  of
• 27:19
  it.
• 27:22
  All
• 27:22
  the
• 27:23
  banks,
• 27:23
  all
• 27:23
  the
• 27:23
  accounts
• 27:24
  are
• 27:24
  part
• 27:25
  of
• 27:25
  being.
• 27:25
  And
• 27:25
  if
• 27:25
  he
• 27:26
  is
• 27:26
  being,
• 27:26
  being,
• 27:27
  he's
• 27:28
  got
• 27:28
  them
• 27:28
  all,
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  see.
• 27:29
  But
• 27:30
  he
• 27:30
  was
• 27:30
  speaking
• 27:30
  to
• 27:31
  people
• 27:31
  who
• 27:31
  couldn't
• 27:31
  understand
• 27:32
  them.
• 27:33
  I
• 27:33
  would
• 27:33
  guess
• 27:34
  so,
• 27:34
  yeah.
• 27:35
  That
• 27:35
  probably
• 27:36
  did
• 27:36
  not
• 27:36
  fly.
• 27:37
  Didn't
• 27:38
  fly.
• 27:38
  They
• 27:38
  were
• 27:38
  wondering
• 27:39
  what
• 27:39
  this
• 27:39
  guy
• 27:40
  talking
• 27:40
  about.
• 27:43
  So
• 27:43
  amid
• 27:43
  you've
• 27:44
  given
• 27:44
  us
• 27:44
  an
• 27:44
  account
• 27:45
  of
• 27:45
  how
• 27:46
  we
• 27:47
  reify
• 27:48
  the
• 27:48
  world
• 27:49
  and
• 27:49
  ourselves
• 27:51
  create
• 27:51
  this
• 27:52
  apparent
• 27:53
  separation.
• 27:54
  And
• 27:55
  then
• 27:55
  you
• 27:56
  go,
• 27:56
  then
• 27:56
  you
• 27:57
  point
• 27:57
  out,
• 27:57
  point
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  possibility
• 27:59
  of
• 27:59
  undoing
• 28:00
  this
• 28:00
  reification
• 28:01
  or
• 28:01
  at
• 28:01
  least
• 28:02
  seeing,
• 28:02
  maybe
• 28:03
  perhaps
• 28:03
  seeing
• 28:04
  through
• 28:04
  it
• 28:04
  would
• 28:04
  be
• 28:05
  a
• 28:05
  better
• 28:05
  way
• 28:05
  of.
• 28:06
  Way
• 28:06
  of
• 28:06
  describing
• 28:07
  which
• 28:07
  you.
• 28:08
  And
• 28:08
  for
• 28:08
  you,
• 28:08
  that
• 28:09
  that
• 28:09
  mode
• 28:10
  is
• 28:10
  inquiry.
• 28:11
  So
• 28:11
  perhaps
• 28:11
  you
• 28:12
  could
• 28:12
  speak
• 28:12
  about
• 28:13
  this
• 28:13
  process
• 28:14
  of
• 28:14
  moving
• 28:15
  beyond
• 28:15
  reification
• 28:16
  or
• 28:16
  training.
• 28:17
  Yeah,
• 28:18
  you
• 28:19
  see,
• 28:19
  all
• 28:19
  spiritual
• 28:20
  teachings,
• 28:20
  all
• 28:21
  practices,
• 28:21
  is
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  go
• 28:22
  beyond
• 28:22
  the
• 28:23
  reification.
• 28:24
  That's
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  point.
• 28:25
  To
• 28:25
  go
• 28:25
  beyond
• 28:26
  reified
• 28:27
  experience
• 28:27
  to
• 28:28
  immediate
• 28:28
  experience,
• 28:29
  basically.
• 28:31
  So
• 28:31
  the
• 28:31
  methodology
• 28:32
  that
• 28:32
  I
• 28:32
  developed,
• 28:33
  which
• 28:34
  usually
• 28:36
  deploys
• 28:36
  this
• 28:37
  understanding
• 28:38
  of
• 28:38
  concepts
• 28:39
  and
• 28:39
  verification,
• 28:40
  all
• 28:40
  that
• 28:41
  is
• 28:42
  to
• 28:43
  look
• 28:43
  at
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  reified
• 28:45
  concept
• 28:45
  and
• 28:46
  understand
• 28:46
  them
• 28:47
  and
• 28:47
  see
• 28:48
  where
• 28:48
  they
• 28:48
  come
• 28:48
  from.
• 28:49
  And
• 28:49
  that
• 28:49
  way
• 28:52
  they
• 28:52
  are
• 28:52
  penetrated.
• 28:53
  And
• 28:53
  then
• 28:53
  they
• 28:53
  dissolve.
• 28:54
  They
• 28:54
  reveal
• 28:54
  themselves
• 28:55
  as
• 28:55
  just
• 28:55
  cancer.
• 28:56
  And
• 28:56
  there
• 28:56
  becomes
• 28:57
  nothing
• 28:57
  there
• 28:58
  for
• 28:58
  a
• 28:58
  while
• 28:59
  before
• 29:00
  a
• 29:00
  quality
• 29:01
  being
• 29:01
  arises.
• 29:04
  And
• 29:04
  when
• 29:04
  they
• 29:04
  come
• 29:05
  back
• 29:05
  together,
• 29:05
  Hameed,
• 29:06
  do
• 29:06
  they
• 29:06
  come
• 29:06
  back
• 29:07
  together
• 29:07
  in
• 29:07
  a
• 29:08
  different,
• 29:09
  different
• 29:10
  way?
• 29:10
  Are
• 29:10
  they
• 29:10
  more
• 29:10
  translucent
• 29:11
  than
• 29:11
  they
• 29:11
  were
• 29:12
  before
• 29:12
  when
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  dissolve
• 29:13
  it?
• 29:13
  And
• 29:14
  then
• 29:14
  the
• 29:14
  concept
• 29:14
  returns.
• 29:16
  It's
• 29:17
  more
• 29:17
  like
• 29:17
  the
• 29:18
  concept
• 29:18
  returns,
• 29:19
  but
• 29:19
  it
• 29:20
  does
• 29:20
  not
• 29:20
  function
• 29:22
  as
• 29:22
  a
• 29:23
  layer
• 29:23
  over
• 29:24
  our
• 29:24
  perception.
• 29:26
  It
• 29:27
  is
• 29:27
  a
• 29:27
  concept
• 29:28
  the
• 29:28
  mind
• 29:29
  uses
• 29:30
  to
• 29:30
  function
• 29:30
  in
• 29:31
  the
• 29:31
  world.
• 29:31
  But
• 29:32
  the
• 29:32
  mind
• 29:33
  doesn't
• 29:33
  use
• 29:34
  to
• 29:34
  know
• 29:35
  itself,
• 29:36
  to
• 29:37
  know
• 29:37
  reality.
• 29:37
  Reality
• 29:38
  is
• 29:38
  known
• 29:38
  more
• 29:39
  Immediately.
• 29:40
  So
• 29:40
  there
• 29:41
  is
• 29:41
  a
• 29:41
  sense
• 29:41
  of
• 29:42
  being.
• 29:42
  I
• 29:42
  am
• 29:42
  being
• 29:43
  and
• 29:43
  pure
• 29:44
  presence
• 29:44
  at
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  same
• 29:45
  time.
• 29:46
  You
• 29:46
  know,
• 29:46
  I
• 29:47
  could
• 29:47
  think
• 29:47
  of
• 29:47
  my
• 29:47
  car
• 29:50
  thinking
• 29:50
  my
• 29:51
  car
• 29:51
  is
• 29:51
  ordinary
• 29:52
  knowledge.
• 29:53
  If
• 29:53
  I
• 29:53
  was
• 29:54
  sitting
• 29:54
  in
• 29:54
  my
• 29:54
  car
• 29:55
  and
• 29:55
  driving
• 29:56
  it.
• 29:56
  That's
• 29:57
  closer
• 29:57
  to
• 29:57
  basic
• 29:58
  knowledge.
• 29:58
  And
• 29:59
  one
• 29:59
  thing
• 29:59
  to
• 29:59
  say
• 30:00
  is
• 30:00
  that
• 30:00
  experience
• 30:01
  in
• 30:01
  general
• 30:01
  for
• 30:02
  most
• 30:02
  people
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  a
• 30:03
  mix
• 30:03
  of
• 30:03
  basic
• 30:04
  knowing
• 30:04
  and
• 30:04
  ordinary
• 30:05
  knowing.
• 30:05
  We
• 30:06
  all
• 30:06
  have
• 30:06
  some
• 30:06
  immediate
• 30:07
  knowing,
• 30:08
  some
• 30:08
  more
• 30:09
  than
• 30:09
  others.
• 30:11
  You
• 30:11
  see,
• 30:12
  for
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  realized
• 30:13
  individual,
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  basic
• 30:15
  knowing
• 30:15
  is
• 30:16
  primary.
• 30:17
  It's
• 30:17
  fundamental.
• 30:18
  It's
• 30:18
  not
• 30:18
  lost.
• 30:19
  But
• 30:20
  ordinary
• 30:20
  knowledge
• 30:21
  sometimes
• 30:21
  is
• 30:22
  gone
• 30:23
  when
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  mind
• 30:24
  is
• 30:24
  clear
• 30:24
  and
• 30:24
  empty,
• 30:25
  but
• 30:26
  sometimes
• 30:26
  present
• 30:27
  as
• 30:28
  mental
• 30:28
  functioning,
• 30:29
  like
• 30:29
  writing
• 30:29
  a
• 30:29
  book
• 30:30
  or
• 30:33
  composing
• 30:33
  a
• 30:33
  poem.
• 30:36
  And
• 30:36
  you
• 30:37
  makes
• 30:37
  a
• 30:38
  point,
• 30:38
  Hameed,
• 30:38
  that
• 30:40
  the
• 30:40
  key
• 30:41
  to
• 30:42
  moving
• 30:42
  through
• 30:42
  these
• 30:43
  reifications
• 30:45
  via
• 30:46
  inquiry
• 30:47
  is
• 30:47
  you
• 30:47
  say
• 30:48
  continuous
• 30:49
  inquiry
• 30:50
  powered
• 30:50
  by
• 30:50
  a
• 30:51
  love
• 30:51
  of
• 30:51
  truth.
• 30:54
  Yeah,
• 30:55
  we've
• 30:56
  been
• 30:56
  talking
• 30:56
  about
• 30:56
  that
• 30:56
  all
• 30:57
  along.
• 30:59
  Truth
• 31:00
  to
• 31:00
  find
• 31:01
  what
• 31:01
  is
• 31:01
  the
• 31:01
  truth
• 31:01
  of
• 31:02
  what
• 31:02
  we're
• 31:02
  experiencing.
• 31:04
  Not
• 31:04
  because
• 31:04
  I
• 31:05
  want
• 31:05
  to
• 31:05
  get
• 31:05
  rid
• 31:05
  of
• 31:05
  it,
• 31:05
  I
• 31:06
  want
• 31:06
  to
• 31:06
  get
• 31:06
  something
• 31:06
  out
• 31:06
  of
• 31:07
  it.
• 31:07
  You
• 31:07
  already
• 31:07
  know
• 31:08
  what
• 31:08
  it
• 31:09
  is.
• 31:10
  And
• 31:11
  that
• 31:11
  means
• 31:12
  I
• 31:12
  want
• 31:12
  to
• 31:12
  know
• 31:12
  the
• 31:12
  truth.
• 31:13
  Because
• 31:14
  truth
• 31:14
  is
• 31:14
  important
• 31:15
  for
• 31:15
  me.
• 31:16
  And
• 31:17
  that
• 31:17
  we
• 31:17
  see,
• 31:18
  if
• 31:18
  we
• 31:19
  engage,
• 31:20
  that
• 31:20
  we
• 31:20
  see
• 31:20
  that
• 31:21
  comes
• 31:21
  from
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  heart.
• 31:22
  It's
• 31:23
  called.
• 31:23
  In
• 31:23
  the
• 31:24
  traditions,
• 31:25
  the
• 31:26
  suf
• 31:26
  is
• 31:27
  called
• 31:27
  hamma.
• 31:28
  Buddhists
• 31:28
  call
• 31:28
  it
• 31:29
  bodhicitta.
• 31:30
  You
• 31:30
  know,
• 31:30
  it
• 31:31
  is
• 31:31
  basically
• 31:32
  the
• 31:33
  drive
• 31:33
  for
• 31:34
  enlightenment
• 31:35
  which
• 31:35
  appears
• 31:36
  at
• 31:36
  loving
• 31:37
  to
• 31:37
  know
• 31:37
  the
• 31:37
  truth
• 31:37
  for
• 31:38
  itself.
• 31:39
  The
• 31:40
  Jesuits
• 31:40
  would
• 31:40
  call
• 31:41
  it
• 31:41
  discernment.
• 31:42
  We
• 31:42
  had
• 31:42
  a
• 31:42
  priest
• 31:43
  on
• 31:43
  last
• 31:43
  week.
• 31:44
  Discernment
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  be
• 31:45
  able
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  look
• 31:46
  deeply
• 31:46
  and
• 31:48
  know
• 31:48
  the
• 31:48
  reality
• 31:49
  of
• 31:49
  the
• 31:49
  truth.
• 31:50
  Yes.
• 31:51
  Yeah.
• 31:51
  To
• 31:52
  discern
• 31:52
  directly,
• 31:53
  immediately.
• 31:54
  Yeah.
• 31:56
  And
• 31:56
  you
• 31:56
  give
• 31:57
  a
• 31:57
  beautiful
• 31:57
  statement
• 31:58
  about
• 31:58
  the
• 31:59
  result
• 31:59
  of
• 32:00
  this,
• 32:00
  in
• 32:00
  which
• 32:01
  you
• 32:01
  say
• 32:01
  that
• 32:01
  apparently
• 32:02
  separate
• 32:02
  objects.
• 32:03
  That's
• 32:04
  reified
• 32:05
  objects.
• 32:06
  Apparently
• 32:07
  separate
• 32:07
  objects
• 32:08
  become
• 32:08
  increasingly
• 32:09
  transparent
• 32:10
  to
• 32:10
  the
• 32:10
  light
• 32:10
  of
• 32:10
  being
• 32:12
  until
• 32:13
  presence
• 32:13
  stands
• 32:14
  revealed.
• 32:15
  Yeah.
• 32:16
  As
• 32:16
  we
• 32:17
  understand
• 32:18
  the
• 32:18
  reification
• 32:20
  and
• 32:20
  see
• 32:20
  that
• 32:21
  there's
• 32:21
  a
• 32:21
  revocation
• 32:22
  making
• 32:23
  it
• 32:23
  into
• 32:23
  a
• 32:24
  separate
• 32:25
  object
• 32:26
  in
• 32:26
  our
• 32:26
  mind,
• 32:27
  we
• 32:27
  believe
• 32:27
  it
• 32:27
  is
• 32:28
  something
• 32:28
  separate
• 32:29
  object.
• 32:31
  And
• 32:32
  to
• 32:32
  understand
• 32:33
  that
• 32:35
  reification,
• 32:36
  we
• 32:37
  see
• 32:37
  the
• 32:37
  conceptualization
• 32:38
  underlying
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  reification.
• 32:40
  Because
• 32:40
  conceptualization
• 32:41
  comes
• 32:42
  before
• 32:42
  reification.
• 32:43
  Reification
• 32:44
  is
• 32:44
  a
• 32:44
  reification
• 32:45
  of
• 32:45
  a
• 32:45
  concept.
• 32:46
  It
• 32:47
  doesn't.
• 32:47
  It's
• 32:47
  not
• 32:48
  reification,
• 32:48
  reality.
• 32:49
  Reification
• 32:50
  of
• 32:50
  concept,
• 32:51
  which
• 32:51
  means
• 32:51
  reification
• 32:52
  of
• 32:52
  a
• 32:52
  knowing,
• 32:54
  a
• 32:55
  particular
• 32:55
  knowing,
• 32:56
  like
• 32:56
  I
• 32:57
  know
• 32:57
  love,
• 32:57
  then
• 32:58
  I
• 32:58
  can
• 32:58
  reify,
• 32:58
  I
• 32:59
  know
• 32:59
  power,
• 33:00
  then
• 33:00
  I
• 33:00
  can
• 33:00
  reify
• 33:01
  it.
• 33:02
  But
• 33:02
  you
• 33:02
  have
• 33:02
  to
• 33:03
  know
• 33:03
  it
• 33:03
  to
• 33:03
  reify
• 33:04
  it.
• 33:04
  It
• 33:04
  has
• 33:04
  to.
• 33:05
  So
• 33:05
  knowing
• 33:05
  always
• 33:06
  means
• 33:06
  concept.
• 33:07
  That's
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  thing
• 33:08
  that
• 33:08
  many
• 33:09
  people
• 33:09
  many
• 33:10
  times
• 33:10
  don't
• 33:10
  talk
• 33:11
  about.
• 33:12
  Knowing
• 33:12
  means
• 33:13
  concept.
• 33:15
  They
• 33:15
  always
• 33:15
  think
• 33:16
  concept
• 33:17
  is
• 33:17
  against
• 33:18
  realization.
• 33:19
  No,
• 33:19
  there
• 33:19
  is
• 33:20
  two
• 33:21
  levels
• 33:21
  of
• 33:21
  concept.
• 33:22
  There's
• 33:23
  an
• 33:23
  ordinary
• 33:23
  concept.
• 33:24
  These
• 33:24
  are
• 33:24
  barriers
• 33:25
  to
• 33:25
  realization.
• 33:26
  But
• 33:27
  basic
• 33:27
  concepts,
• 33:28
  which
• 33:28
  is
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  pure
• 33:29
  knowingness
• 33:30
  is
• 33:30
  concept
• 33:31
  knowing.
• 33:32
  No,
• 33:33
  love
• 33:33
  as
• 33:33
  love,
• 33:34
  that
• 33:35
  concept,
• 33:36
  you
• 33:36
  know,
• 33:36
  concept
• 33:37
  of
• 33:37
  love.
• 33:38
  But
• 33:38
  the
• 33:38
  concept
• 33:38
  of
• 33:39
  love
• 33:39
  is
• 33:39
  love
• 33:39
  itself
• 33:40
  here.
• 33:42
  But
• 33:42
  I
• 33:43
  think
• 33:43
  it
• 33:43
  was
• 33:44
  constant.
• 33:44
  And
• 33:45
  that
• 33:45
  is
• 33:45
  revealed
• 33:46
  in
• 33:46
  this
• 33:46
  dimension
• 33:47
  by
• 33:47
  why
• 33:47
  I
• 33:47
  mentioned
• 33:48
  in
• 33:48
  it
• 33:48
  as
• 33:49
  the
• 33:49
  qualities
• 33:50
  arising
• 33:50
  in
• 33:50
  a
• 33:50
  diamond
• 33:51
  form,
• 33:51
  in
• 33:51
  a
• 33:52
  specific
• 33:52
  diamond
• 33:53
  form,
• 33:54
  transparent,
• 33:55
  sharp.
• 33:56
  Each
• 33:57
  quality
• 33:57
  arises
• 33:58
  at
• 33:58
  a
• 33:58
  transparent
• 34:00
  sharp
• 34:01
  diamond,
• 34:03
  which
• 34:04
  is
• 34:04
  diamond.
• 34:05
  Any
• 34:05
  quality
• 34:06
  like
• 34:06
  the
• 34:06
  black
• 34:06
  diamond,
• 34:09
  peace
• 34:09
  and
• 34:09
  stillness,
• 34:10
  fullness
• 34:11
  of
• 34:11
  it,
• 34:12
  beingness
• 34:13
  with
• 34:14
  the
• 34:14
  sense
• 34:15
  of
• 34:15
  stillness
• 34:16
  together.
• 34:17
  So
• 34:18
  stillness
• 34:18
  or
• 34:18
  peace
• 34:19
  is
• 34:19
  a
• 34:20
  concept
• 34:21
  in
• 34:21
  addition
• 34:21
  to
• 34:22
  beingness.
• 34:23
  But
• 34:24
  when
• 34:24
  we
• 34:25
  allow
• 34:25
  the
• 34:26
  diamond
• 34:26
  to
• 34:26
  expand,
• 34:27
  we
• 34:28
  see
• 34:28
  it's
• 34:28
  nothing,
• 34:30
  the
• 34:30
  nothingness
• 34:31
  of
• 34:31
  it.
• 34:31
  That
• 34:32
  shows
• 34:32
  that
• 34:32
  the
• 34:32
  diamond
• 34:33
  is
• 34:33
  a
• 34:33
  concept,
• 34:35
  you
• 34:35
  see,
• 34:36
  but
• 34:36
  it's
• 34:36
  not
• 34:36
  a
• 34:36
  concept
• 34:37
  in
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  mind
• 34:37
  as
• 34:38
  a
• 34:38
  concept
• 34:38
  in
• 34:39
  God's
• 34:39
  mind.
• 34:40
  Right.
• 34:40
  Is
• 34:40
  it
• 34:41
  more
• 34:41
  of
• 34:41
  a
• 34:41
  Platonic
• 34:42
  type
• 34:42
  of.
• 34:43
  You
• 34:43
  could
• 34:43
  say.
• 34:43
  I
• 34:44
  think
• 34:44
  Platonic
• 34:45
  ideas
• 34:45
  are
• 34:45
  sort
• 34:46
  of
• 34:46
  in
• 34:46
  that
• 34:46
  direction.
• 34:47
  Maybe.
• 34:48
  Plato
• 34:48
  was
• 34:49
  probably
• 34:49
  one
• 34:49
  of
• 34:49
  the
• 34:49
  first
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  talk
• 34:50
  about
• 34:50
  things
• 34:51
  like
• 34:51
  that,
• 34:52
  you
• 34:52
  know?
• 34:53
  Yeah,
• 34:53
  I
• 34:53
  think,
• 34:54
  you
• 34:54
  know,
• 34:55
  this
• 34:55
  dimension,
• 34:56
  pure
• 34:56
  being
• 34:57
  is.
• 34:58
  Was
• 34:58
  Plotinus
• 34:59
  called
• 34:59
  the
• 34:59
  noose.
• 35:01
  Remember
• 35:02
  the
• 35:02
  three
• 35:02
  hypostasis
• 35:03
  of
• 35:03
  Plotinus?
• 35:04
  The
• 35:04
  one,
• 35:05
  the
• 35:05
  nous,
• 35:05
  the
• 35:06
  soul,
• 35:07
  the
• 35:07
  middle
• 35:08
  one,
• 35:08
  the
• 35:08
  nous
• 35:09
  which
• 35:10
  is
• 35:11
  the
• 35:11
  origin
• 35:12
  of
• 35:12
  all
• 35:12
  things,
• 35:14
  you
• 35:15
  see?
• 35:15
  And
• 35:15
  that
• 35:15
  is
• 35:16
  the
• 35:16
  realm
• 35:16
  of
• 35:16
  the
• 35:16
  Platonic
• 35:17
  ideas.
• 35:20
  Would
• 35:20
  that
• 35:20
  also
• 35:21
  be
• 35:21
  the
• 35:21
  logos
• 35:21
  in
• 35:22
  the
• 35:22
  Greek?
• 35:22
  In
• 35:23
  the
• 35:23
  New
• 35:23
  Testament,
• 35:23
  in
• 35:24
  the
• 35:24
  beginning
• 35:24
  was
• 35:24
  the
• 35:24
  Logos
• 35:25
  and
• 35:25
  created
• 35:26
  all
• 35:26
  things.
• 35:26
  Is
• 35:27
  that
• 35:27
  the
• 35:27
  idea?
• 35:27
  We'll
• 35:28
  talk
• 35:28
  about
• 35:28
  the
• 35:28
  logos
• 35:29
  related
• 35:29
  to
• 35:29
  it,
• 35:29
  but
• 35:30
  not
• 35:30
  exactly.
• 35:31
  Okay,
• 35:31
  not
• 35:32
  exactly.
• 35:32
  Logos
• 35:33
  mean
• 35:33
  change
• 35:34
  and
• 35:34
  transformation,
• 35:35
  all
• 35:35
  of
• 35:35
  that.
• 35:36
  Yeah.
• 35:37
  Now
• 35:37
  we're
• 35:37
  talking
• 35:37
  just
• 35:38
  about
• 35:38
  being.
• 35:39
  Okay,
• 35:40
  yeah.
• 35:43
  Maybe
• 35:43
  this
• 35:43
  is
• 35:44
  a
• 35:44
  place
• 35:44
  to
• 35:45
  transition
• 35:45
  into
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  next
• 35:48
  major
• 35:48
  section
• 35:49
  you
• 35:49
  discussed,
• 35:50
  and
• 35:50
  that
• 35:50
  is
• 35:51
  when
• 35:52
  reification
• 35:53
  is
• 35:54
  seen
• 35:54
  through
• 35:56
  via
• 35:56
  the
• 35:56
  process
• 35:57
  of
• 35:57
  inquiry
• 35:57
  and
• 35:58
  when
• 35:58
  the
• 35:59
  concepts
• 35:59
  become
• 36:00
  transparent
• 36:01
  to
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  transcendent,
• 36:02
  then
• 36:03
  you
• 36:03
  say
• 36:04
  that
• 36:05
  awareness
• 36:06
  and
• 36:06
  non
• 36:07
  conceptual
• 36:07
  awareness
• 36:09
  become
• 36:09
  available.
• 36:11
  And
• 36:12
  this
• 36:12
  is
• 36:13
  a
• 36:13
  very
• 36:14
  radical
• 36:15
  and
• 36:17
  deep
• 36:17
  discussion
• 36:18
  you
• 36:18
  have
• 36:19
  here
• 36:19
  in
• 36:19
  this
• 36:20
  whole
• 36:20
  chapter
• 36:21
  on
• 36:21
  awareness
• 36:21
  and
• 36:22
  non
• 36:22
  conceptual.
• 36:23
  So
• 36:24
  maybe
• 36:25
  just
• 36:25
  throw
• 36:26
  this
• 36:26
  out
• 36:26
  for
• 36:26
  you
• 36:27
  to
• 36:27
  begin
• 36:27
  a
• 36:27
  discussion
• 36:28
  about
• 36:28
  this.
• 36:29
  So
• 36:30
  we
• 36:30
  transition
• 36:31
  it
• 36:31
  to
• 36:31
  the
• 36:31
  next
• 36:31
  chapter.
• 36:32
  Yeah,
• 36:33
  unless
• 36:33
  there's
• 36:34
  more
• 36:34
  you
• 36:34
  want
• 36:34
  to
• 36:34
  say.
• 36:35
  No,
• 36:35
  whatever.
• 36:36
  I
• 36:36
  mean,
• 36:37
  we
• 36:37
  could
• 36:37
  go
• 36:37
  back
• 36:37
  and
• 36:38
  forth,
• 36:39
  you
• 36:39
  know,
• 36:40
  so
• 36:41
  that
• 36:41
  shows.
• 36:41
  I
• 36:42
  mean,
• 36:42
  the
• 36:42
  way
• 36:43
  in
• 36:43
  this
• 36:43
  path
• 36:44
  thing
• 36:45
  can
• 36:45
  happen
• 36:46
  is
• 36:47
  first
• 36:47
  we
• 36:48
  experience
• 36:48
  divine
• 36:49
  love,
• 36:50
  which
• 36:50
  is
• 36:50
  sort
• 36:50
  of
• 36:51
  making
• 36:52
  experience
• 36:53
  simpler.
• 36:53
  Instead
• 36:54
  of
• 36:54
  many,
• 36:54
  the
• 36:55
  revocation,
• 36:56
  there's
• 36:56
  just
• 36:57
  love
• 36:57
  that
• 36:58
  is
• 36:58
  presence.
• 36:59
  So
• 36:59
  there's
• 36:59
  two
• 37:00
  concepts,
• 37:00
  love
• 37:01
  and
• 37:02
  being.
• 37:03
  Being
• 37:04
  is
• 37:04
  a
• 37:04
  concept.
• 37:05
  You
• 37:05
  have
• 37:05
  to
• 37:05
  understand
• 37:05
  that
• 37:06
  being,
• 37:06
  even
• 37:07
  being
• 37:07
  pure
• 37:07
  being
• 37:08
  pure
• 37:08
  existence
• 37:09
  is
• 37:10
  a
• 37:10
  Knowing
• 37:10
  of
• 37:11
  being,
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  knowing
• 37:12
  of
• 37:12
  being
• 37:12
  indicate
• 37:13
  it.
• 37:13
  There
• 37:13
  is
• 37:14
  a,
• 37:14
  what
• 37:15
  I
• 37:15
  call
• 37:16
  basic
• 37:16
  concept,
• 37:17
  which
• 37:17
  is
• 37:18
  immediacy.
• 37:19
  Knowingness
• 37:21
  and
• 37:21
  its
• 37:22
  immediacy
• 37:23
  implies
• 37:24
  what
• 37:25
  I
• 37:25
  call
• 37:25
  a
• 37:25
  basic
• 37:25
  concept.
• 37:27
  So
• 37:27
  I'm
• 37:28
  pointing
• 37:28
  to
• 37:28
  a
• 37:29
  whole
• 37:29
  category
• 37:30
  of
• 37:30
  concepts
• 37:31
  that
• 37:32
  most
• 37:32
  people
• 37:32
  don't
• 37:32
  think
• 37:33
  about,
• 37:34
  which
• 37:34
  is
• 37:35
  an
• 37:35
  immediate
• 37:36
  knowing.
• 37:37
  It's
• 37:37
  conceptual,
• 37:38
  but
• 37:38
  it's
• 37:38
  not
• 37:39
  conceptual
• 37:39
  in
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  way
• 37:40
  most
• 37:40
  people
• 37:40
  think
• 37:41
  of
• 37:41
  it.
• 37:42
  And
• 37:42
  awareness
• 37:43
  is
• 37:44
  not
• 37:45
  quite
• 37:45
  the
• 37:45
  same
• 37:46
  as
• 37:46
  knowing.
• 37:47
  But
• 37:47
  it
• 37:47
  is
• 37:47
  a
• 37:48
  space
• 37:49
  that
• 37:49
  knowing
• 37:50
  and
• 37:51
  concepts,
• 37:51
  either
• 37:52
  intellectual
• 37:52
  or
• 37:53
  these
• 37:53
  basic
• 37:54
  concepts
• 37:54
  such
• 37:54
  as
• 37:55
  love
• 37:55
  arises
• 37:56
  in.
• 37:57
  Well,
• 37:57
  I
• 37:58
  mean
• 37:58
  that's
• 37:58
  what
• 37:58
  Roger
• 37:59
  was
• 37:59
  trying
• 37:59
  to
• 37:59
  get
• 38:00
  to,
• 38:00
  which
• 38:01
  is
• 38:01
  that
• 38:02
  recognizing.
• 38:03
  First
• 38:03
  we
• 38:03
  have
• 38:03
  to
• 38:03
  recognize
• 38:04
  that
• 38:04
  being,
• 38:05
  pure
• 38:06
  being
• 38:06
  has
• 38:06
  a
• 38:06
  consider
• 38:07
  being
• 38:08
  which
• 38:08
  mean
• 38:10
  Trinity
• 38:10
  can
• 38:11
  shed
• 38:11
  that
• 38:11
  concept.
• 38:14
  Because,
• 38:15
  you
• 38:15
  know,
• 38:17
  in
• 38:18
  this
• 38:18
  dimension
• 38:18
  pure
• 38:19
  presence
• 38:19
  is
• 38:20
  also
• 38:20
  a
• 38:20
  complete
• 38:22
  awareness.
• 38:23
  We
• 38:23
  could
• 38:23
  call
• 38:24
  it
• 38:24
  awareness.
• 38:24
  It's
• 38:24
  similar
• 38:25
  to
• 38:25
  ordinary.
• 38:26
  Ordinary
• 38:26
  awareness
• 38:27
  has
• 38:27
  knowing
• 38:28
  in
• 38:28
  it.
• 38:28
  If
• 38:28
  you
• 38:29
  notice,
• 38:29
  you
• 38:30
  perceive
• 38:30
  and
• 38:31
  you
• 38:31
  sort
• 38:31
  of
• 38:31
  know
• 38:32
  or
• 38:32
  don't
• 38:32
  know
• 38:33
  and.
• 38:33
  But
• 38:33
  you
• 38:34
  know,
• 38:34
  you
• 38:34
  don't
• 38:34
  know.
• 38:35
  So
• 38:35
  there
• 38:35
  is
• 38:36
  knowledge
• 38:36
  implicit
• 38:37
  in
• 38:37
  the
• 38:37
  awareness,
• 38:39
  rather
• 38:39
  how
• 38:40
  ordinary
• 38:41
  mind
• 38:41
  works.
• 38:42
  It's
• 38:42
  a
• 38:42
  similar.
• 38:44
  It's
• 38:44
  a
• 38:44
  facsimile
• 38:45
  of
• 38:46
  the
• 38:46
  basic
• 38:46
  mind
• 38:48
  which
• 38:48
  is
• 38:49
  knowing
• 38:49
  and
• 38:50
  being
• 38:50
  at
• 38:50
  the
• 38:50
  same
• 38:50
  time.
• 38:51
  But
• 38:51
  there's
• 38:51
  a
• 38:51
  concept.
• 38:53
  However,
• 38:55
  that
• 38:55
  concept
• 38:56
  can.
• 38:56
  Some
• 38:57
  can
• 38:57
  have
• 38:57
  an
• 38:57
  experience
• 38:58
  with
• 38:58
  that
• 38:58
  concept
• 38:59
  itself
• 38:59
  evaporate.
• 39:01
  So
• 39:01
  there
• 39:01
  is
• 39:02
  no
• 39:02
  sense
• 39:02
  of
• 39:02
  being.
• 39:04
  But
• 39:04
  there
• 39:05
  is
• 39:05
  still
• 39:05
  awareness.
• 39:07
  So
• 39:07
  you
• 39:07
  see,
• 39:08
  pure
• 39:08
  presence
• 39:09
  is
• 39:09
  awareness,
• 39:11
  which
• 39:11
  is
• 39:12
  the
• 39:13
  origin
• 39:13
  of
• 39:13
  ordinary
• 39:14
  awareness,
• 39:15
  which
• 39:15
  is
• 39:15
  awareness
• 39:16
  has
• 39:16
  knowing.
• 39:18
  But
• 39:18
  we
• 39:18
  can
• 39:18
  get
• 39:18
  to
• 39:19
  an
• 39:19
  awareness
• 39:20
  that
• 39:20
  is
• 39:21
  free
• 39:21
  of
• 39:22
  knowing
• 39:24
  and
• 39:24
  that
• 39:25
  I
• 39:25
  call
• 39:25
  non
• 39:25
  conceptual.
• 39:27
  You
• 39:27
  see,
• 39:27
  most
• 39:28
  people
• 39:28
  call
• 39:28
  the
• 39:28
  first
• 39:29
  one
• 39:29
  non
• 39:29
  conceptual.
• 39:31
  They
• 39:31
  call
• 39:32
  pure
• 39:33
  being
• 39:34
  non
• 39:34
  conceptual.
• 39:35
  The
• 39:35
  knowing
• 39:36
  of
• 39:36
  being
• 39:36
  as
• 39:36
  non
• 39:37
  conceptual
• 39:38
  meaning
• 39:38
  it's
• 39:38
  free
• 39:39
  from
• 39:39
  the
• 39:39
  ordinary
• 39:40
  concept,
• 39:40
  right?
• 39:41
  I
• 39:41
  call
• 39:41
  non
• 39:42
  conception
• 39:42
  is
• 39:44
  empty
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  any
• 39:45
  concept,
• 39:45
  ordinary
• 39:46
  or
• 39:46
  basic.
• 39:48
  So
• 39:48
  true
• 39:49
  nature
• 39:49
  can
• 39:50
  also
• 39:50
  reveal
• 39:51
  itself
• 39:51
  that
• 39:52
  way
• 39:53
  and
• 39:53
  as
• 39:53
  a
• 39:53
  pure
• 39:54
  translucence
• 39:57
  and
• 40:00
  make
• 40:00
  us
• 40:00
  be
• 40:01
  aware.
• 40:02
  But
• 40:04
  in
• 40:05
  that
• 40:05
  pure
• 40:05
  translucency
• 40:07
  of
• 40:07
  pure
• 40:07
  awareness.
• 40:08
  I
• 40:08
  call
• 40:08
  it
• 40:08
  pure
• 40:08
  awareness
• 40:09
  instead
• 40:09
  of
• 40:10
  pure
• 40:10
  presence.
• 40:12
  There
• 40:12
  is
• 40:12
  no
• 40:12
  knowing
• 40:13
  of
• 40:13
  what
• 40:13
  we
• 40:13
  are
• 40:13
  aware
• 40:14
  of.
• 40:15
  There's
• 40:15
  awareness
• 40:17
  of
• 40:18
  everything
• 40:18
  without
• 40:19
  knowing
• 40:19
  what
• 40:19
  we
• 40:19
  are
• 40:19
  aware
• 40:20
  of.
• 40:20
  There's
• 40:21
  no
• 40:21
  knowing
• 40:21
  of
• 40:21
  existence
• 40:22
  even.
• 40:22
  It's
• 40:23
  just
• 40:23
  that
• 40:23
  space,
• 40:24
  no
• 40:24
  knowing
• 40:25
  of
• 40:25
  existence.
• 40:25
  There's
• 40:26
  just
• 40:26
  awareness,
• 40:29
  awareness.
• 40:30
  Aware
• 40:30
  of
• 40:31
  itself
• 40:31
  as
• 40:32
  awareness.
• 40:32
  But
• 40:33
  it
• 40:33
  doesn't
• 40:33
  know
• 40:34
  it
• 40:34
  is
• 40:34
  awareness.
• 40:35
  When
• 40:35
  you
• 40:35
  are
• 40:36
  purely
• 40:36
  in
• 40:36
  the
• 40:36
  experience.
• 40:38
  There
• 40:38
  isn't
• 40:39
  really,
• 40:39
  you
• 40:39
  know,
• 40:40
  knowing.
• 40:40
  It
• 40:40
  is
• 40:41
  awareness.
• 40:41
  It's
• 40:41
  just
• 40:41
  awareness.
• 40:42
  In
• 40:43
  fact,
• 40:43
  I
• 40:43
  mean,
• 40:44
  that's
• 40:44
  the
• 40:45
  reason
• 40:46
  why
• 40:47
  some
• 40:48
  meditators
• 40:48
  talk
• 40:49
  about
• 40:49
  how
• 40:49
  they
• 40:50
  go
• 40:50
  to
• 40:50
  meditation
• 40:51
  and
• 40:51
  they
• 40:51
  go
• 40:52
  to.
• 40:52
  It's
• 40:53
  non
• 40:53
  conceptual.
• 40:54
  They
• 40:54
  come
• 40:54
  out
• 40:55
  of
• 40:55
  it.
• 40:55
  They
• 40:55
  don't
• 40:56
  remember
• 40:56
  what
• 40:56
  happened.
• 40:58
  They
• 40:58
  don't
• 40:59
  know
• 40:59
  how
• 40:59
  long
• 40:59
  it's
• 40:59
  been.
• 41:01
  Because
• 41:01
  you
• 41:01
  need
• 41:02
  concept
• 41:02
  to
• 41:02
  know.
• 41:03
  You
• 41:03
  need
• 41:03
  knowing.
• 41:05
  If
• 41:05
  you
• 41:05
  get
• 41:05
  to
• 41:05
  the
• 41:06
  space,
• 41:06
  there's
• 41:06
  no
• 41:06
  knowing.
• 41:07
  There's
• 41:08
  no
• 41:08
  knowing
• 41:08
  of
• 41:09
  time,
• 41:09
  no
• 41:09
  knowing
• 41:10
  space,
• 41:10
  no
• 41:10
  knowing
• 41:11
  how
• 41:11
  long
• 41:11
  or
• 41:12
  short.
• 41:12
  I
• 41:12
  mean
• 41:13
  come
• 41:13
  out
• 41:13
  of
• 41:14
  it.
• 41:14
  It
• 41:14
  just
• 41:14
  feel
• 41:14
  fresh
• 41:16
  and
• 41:16
  clean.
• 41:17
  So
• 41:17
  how
• 41:18
  do
• 41:18
  you
• 41:18
  remember
• 41:18
  it?
• 41:20
  Well,
• 41:21
  I
• 41:21
  mean,
• 41:22
  first
• 41:22
  of
• 41:23
  all,
• 41:24
  it's
• 41:25
  a
• 41:25
  good
• 41:25
  question.
• 41:26
  When
• 41:27
  we
• 41:27
  are
• 41:27
  in
• 41:27
  pure
• 41:28
  awareness,
• 41:30
  how
• 41:31
  do
• 41:31
  we
• 41:31
  know
• 41:31
  it's
• 41:32
  pure
• 41:32
  awareness?
• 41:34
  Stay
• 41:34
  tuned
• 41:35
  for
• 41:35
  part
• 41:35
  two
• 41:36
  of
• 41:36
  our
• 41:36
  conversation
• 41:37
  with
• 41:37
  A.
• 41:38
  H.
• 41:38
  Almaas.
• 41:38
  Get
• 41:39
  your
• 41:39
  scuba
• 41:40
  gear
• 41:40
  ready.
• 41:41
  We
• 41:41
  are
• 41:41
  swimming
• 41:42
  in
• 41:42
  deep
• 41:42
  waters.
• 41:44
  Thank
• 41:44
  you
• 41:44
  very
• 41:44
  much
• 41:45
  for
• 41:45
  being
• 41:45
  a
• 41:45
  part
• 41:46
  of
• 41:46
  this
• 41:46
  conversation.
• 41:47
  We
• 41:47
  hope
• 41:47
  that
• 41:47
  you
• 41:48
  were
• 41:48
  moved
• 41:48
  as
• 41:49
  we
• 41:49
  are
• 41:49
  moved
• 41:49
  being
• 41:50
  part
• 41:50
  of
• 41:50
  it
• 41:50
  ourselves.
• 41:51
  We'd
• 41:51
  also
• 41:52
  like
• 41:52
  to
• 41:52
  say
• 41:52
  that
• 41:52
  this
• 41:53
  is
• 41:53
  being
• 41:53
  funded
• 41:54
  by
• 41:54
  Roger
• 41:54
  and
• 41:55
  myself.
• 41:55
  It
• 41:55
  comes
• 41:55
  out
• 41:55
  of
• 41:55
  our
• 41:56
  pockets.
• 41:56
  So
• 41:56
  if
• 41:56
  you
• 41:56
  would
• 41:57
  like
• 41:57
  to
• 41:57
  help
• 41:57
  us
• 41:57
  to
• 41:58
  mainly
• 41:59
  to
• 41:59
  get
• 41:59
  this
• 41:59
  podcast
• 42:00
  out
• 42:00
  to
• 42:00
  more
• 42:00
  people
• 42:01
  because
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  bigger
• 42:01
  audience
• 42:02
  have
• 42:02
  which
• 42:02
  is
• 42:02
  steadily
• 42:03
  growing
• 42:03
  but
• 42:03
  the
• 42:03
  more
• 42:04
  people
• 42:04
  we
• 42:04
  can
• 42:04
  reach
• 42:04
  and
• 42:05
  the
• 42:05
  more
• 42:05
  marketing
• 42:05
  we
• 42:06
  can
• 42:06
  do,
• 42:06
  the
• 42:06
  more
• 42:06
  people
• 42:07
  positive
• 42:07
  effect
• 42:07
  we
• 42:08
  can
• 42:08
  have
• 42:08
  on
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  world.
• 42:09
  So
• 42:09
  we've
• 42:09
  done
• 42:09
  that
• 42:09
  a
• 42:09
  couple
• 42:10
  of
• 42:10
  ways.
• 42:10
  But
• 42:10
  we'd
• 42:10
  like
• 42:10
  you
• 42:11
  to
• 42:11
  buy
• 42:11
  us
• 42:11
  a
• 42:12
  cup
• 42:12
  of
• 42:12
  coffee.
• 42:12
  Very
• 42:13
  simple.
• 42:13
  And
• 42:13
  I
• 42:13
  do
• 42:13
  that
• 42:14
  with
• 42:14
  podcasts
• 42:15
  that
• 42:15
  I
• 42:15
  support
• 42:16
  and
• 42:16
  I
• 42:16
  find
• 42:17
  it's
• 42:17
  very
• 42:17
  satisfying.
• 42:18
  So
• 42:18
  thank
• 42:18
  you
• 42:19
  for
• 42:19
  your
• 42:19
  help,
• 42:19
  thank
• 42:20
  you
• 42:20
  for
• 42:20
  your
• 42:20
  presence
• 42:20
  and
• 42:21
  thank
• 42:21
  you
• 42:21
  for
• 42:21
  all
• 42:21
  you
• 42:22
  are
• 42:22
  and
• 42:22
  all
• 42:22
  you
• 42:22
  do.
• 42:23
  We
• 42:23
  love
• 42:23
  you.
• 42:32
  Sa.