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Michael Barr: Volumes · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: It's remember okay, brace Ray took me over the episode
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: just the medicine take in. You got me soon Internet
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  Speaker 1: sting again. A wait, today we've got Michael from Volumes.
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  Speaker 1: Super excited to chat with you. Michael, so back. I
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: think Colon we were talking about it was like me,
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: like three or four years ago we interviewed Rod about
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: I think there was like an I forget exactly what
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  Speaker 1: album it was or what EP it might have been
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  Speaker 1: at that time, but we interviewed Rod and here you
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: are chatting about the new album. Super excited chat. Actually,
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: probably the reason why we interviewed Rod around that time
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  Speaker 1: because it probably was around like twenty twenty or twenty
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: twenty one, so you'd maybe just got back into the
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: band at that point. But anyway, super excited to chat
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  Speaker 1: with you, Michael. Yeah, how's life right now? Other than
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: you explain a whole situation that you probably don't want
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: to talk about right now. But other than that, how's
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: life right now?
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  Speaker 2: Life's good? Yeah. I like have like a black mold
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: situation in my house that sucks, but that's life where
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  Speaker 2: I'm dude, Life's good. I just got engaged a couple
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  Speaker 2: of months ago. Albums coming out. Oh yeah, checked a
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  Speaker 2: lot of boxes off the end of this year personally
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  Speaker 2: with including those two things. So yeah, I'm excited for
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: the new year. I love the holidays. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: love Christmas, absolutely adore Christmas. So December first, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm really looking forward to the next couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks here just family and and enjoying the holidays and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, life, life is good. Life is good.
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: As a as a music person and as a Christmas person.
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  Speaker 1: When do you start listening to Christmas music?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't like listening to it too early.
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  Speaker 2: I like savoring can't be to a.
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  Speaker 1: Little bit of a purist to a certain extent, then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not like I would say, like, like
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  Speaker 2: the week before Thanksgiving is cool to start, not like
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  Speaker 2: in October or anything.
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  Speaker 1: So a week before Thanksgiving, I will say, I will like,
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  Speaker 1: as a purist myself of Christmas music, the day after
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  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving acceptable, Oh, get a little I get a little
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: hesitant with people that are a little before even so
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  Speaker 1: even like a week before I'll just be honest, a
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  Speaker 1: little week before Thanksgiving starting listening to Christmas music, especially
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: if it's in stories right at that time, I'm like,
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: oh god, well everything but early pretty much the day
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  Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, I'm totally done with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's earlier and earlier now, like you go to
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  Speaker 2: you like right August twenty ninth or whatever, Halloween right
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  Speaker 2: like the next day, and then and.
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  Speaker 1: Even like October, like they're starting to sell like Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: Christmas in October. Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to get away from. But to me, it
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  Speaker 2: has to be like I live in southern California, it
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  Speaker 2: has to be cold before you start listening Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but what what's actually cold for you?
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  Speaker 3: California sixty I know sixty two is cold like today
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  Speaker 3: it was today it was like high fifties, sixty sixty
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  Speaker 3: two maybe at like two three, and it's cold for
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  Speaker 3: us here.
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  Speaker 2: It's like how California, California in the winter, it's like
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  Speaker 2: you get these really warm days and then as soon
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  Speaker 2: as the sun starts going down, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Like fifth chili.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't realize that. They get caught like, well.
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  Speaker 1: It's a desert, so like dressed sunlight, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's really dry, it's really directly it's.
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  Speaker 4: Literally four degrees here right now though.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you're you're in not North Dakota, South Dakota.
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  Speaker 4: South Dakota. Yeah, the tundra. It's actually colder in South
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  Speaker 4: Dakota than it is North Dakota.
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  Speaker 2: So we've we've got that over them. Yeah, that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of weird, weird one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm in in the Twin City, so it's
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  Speaker 1: it's just as cold right now. And we got a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of snow this weekend. Colin actually came up from
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  Speaker 1: South Dakota to the Twin Cities to see Norman Jean
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  Speaker 1: with me, and he had to drive through an entire blizzard.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's the state of the world right now.
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  Speaker 1: In the Midwest.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Saint Paul, like the cold, some
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  Speaker 5: of the cold Duluth, I've been a d Luluth is
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  Speaker 5: like Canada basically, Yeah, chilling Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: Have you guys played Have you guys played a showing
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  Speaker 1: to Luth? Yeah, no way, you played a show in
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  Speaker 1: to Luth.
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  Speaker 2: We played a show in to Luth. It went really
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  Speaker 2: really bad. This is like this is like early two thousands,
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  Speaker 2: like Michael Mike Barr, Michael Barr freak out stage where
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  Speaker 2: like uh the sound guy. Yeah, so I tried to
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  Speaker 2: like cut a song, and I like went outside and
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  Speaker 2: like ripped his reflector off his van. There is is
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  Speaker 2: side mirror off his off his van and and everyone
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  Speaker 2: got super mad at us because it was like a
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  Speaker 2: super small local scene and people were like, how could
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  Speaker 2: you do? And I was like, oops, yeah, that was
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  Speaker 2: our trip.
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  Speaker 1: To chill dang poor du Luth. Well it was in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the winter too into Luth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably why I was like freaking out. I
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  Speaker 2: was probably like I'm wearing vands and I'm coold. Uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe.
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  Speaker 1: The luth is almost never Van's weather. I'll just be honest.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's like those cities you play one time,
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  Speaker 2: and like it's like Ogden, Utah, it's like the first
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  Speaker 2: that was the first city Volumes played like outside of
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  Speaker 2: California ever, and like I've never been back, or like Duluth,
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota is like one of those places where you're just
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  Speaker 2: like what but we but we love like small towns
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  Speaker 2: and like off that beat like weird, like well we
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  Speaker 2: like provo you to all these like weird areas. You
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  Speaker 2: think it's sick, like being in a major city's fun,
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  Speaker 2: but like we like the weird shit. Yeah, like finding
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  Speaker 2: the weird stuff that I get that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about before we're actually diving into Volume
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  Speaker 1: stuff in like your history around Volumes, Like how how
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  Speaker 1: did you get into music in general? Like were you
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  Speaker 1: one of those kids that was just really into music
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  Speaker 1: as a kid. Did you grow up in a music family.
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  Speaker 1: Were you one of those kids that was just I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, screaming along to any album you could? Like?
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  Speaker 1: What was your history that actually got you to the
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  Speaker 1: point where you're like, now I actually want to sing
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  Speaker 1: in a band, like a band like Volumes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was a musician and it just that
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  Speaker 2: kind of did it for me. Music was like a
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  Speaker 2: huge part of my family in my life ever since
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  Speaker 2: I was born. My dad was in two of his
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  Speaker 2: own bands in the late seventies eighties and had some
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: like small success and was signed to RCA Records, and
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: like in a hair metal band. He was in like
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: a what would then be called like a power like
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  Speaker 2: synthpop band, kind kind of like light rock, so like
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  Speaker 2: like super cool stuff but almost.
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: Like like cheap chick or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, a little more like is that like more cynthy? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like.
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  Speaker 4: Like there's seagulls kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: More like not that cheesy, is.
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  Speaker 4: What you're saying.
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: Do you know who Eddie Money is? You guys probably
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: don't know who any money is, Like just very familiar
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  Speaker 2: Eddie Money. What's that song? Is it? Is it the
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: Power of Love? That's in? Yeah, back to the future.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the it's uh Hue? Is he in the news? No?
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  Speaker 1: Lewis in the news?
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  Speaker 2: Kind of like that. Yeah, this hotel. I've been staying
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  Speaker 2: in this hotel. They all they do is play like
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: eighties music, and there's like a lot of stuff they're
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  Speaker 2: playing on like this sounds like this sounds like that time,
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  Speaker 2: so very like specific kind of like light rock that
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: he was into and he stopped when I was born
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  Speaker 2: pretty much to like be like a dad and ended
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  Speaker 2: up being like a contractor for years to pay the
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: bills and pay for me and stuff, but still did
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  Speaker 2: music his whole you know, life, and that obviously rubbed
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  Speaker 2: off on me and I, Uh I started the drums
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  Speaker 2: were like my world when I was a kid, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what I was like obsessed with and setting out
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  Speaker 2: to do. That's kind of how it started.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, And what was like, maybe can you can
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  Speaker 1: you name Michael what you're.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, my dad's on the Yeah, what was your
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  Speaker 4: what was your dad's band name?
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  Speaker 2: It's a it's called rock There's So he was in
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  Speaker 2: a band called Small Talk that was signed. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they were. And then he was started
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  Speaker 2: a band called rock Rose that was like the band
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  Speaker 2: that was bigger and they were signed to R c A.
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  Speaker 2: And that's led him to do to do an an
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  Speaker 2: R career with like cow Records, and he was like
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: involved with like Steely's Dan Steely Dan's album Can't Buy
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  Speaker 2: a Thrill as far as like the two to three
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  Speaker 2: degrees away from those sessions and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, and your dad must be named.
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  Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah Chris, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at it. I don't know which one he
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  Speaker 1: is in this discogs photo, but he is aggressively eighties.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, the photos are crazy. I've had,
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  Speaker 2: like I've had sets of those. I know it's what
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: you're looking at. Probably I've had sets of those, like
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  Speaker 2: framed in like my mom's house, like growing up and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We have a bunch of cool stuff that we kept
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: our whole lives. And like all the coolest part was
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: like his buddies were like he his buddies would come
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  Speaker 2: visit like the house growing up, and they were like
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: so cool to me. He had his drummer. His name
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  Speaker 2: was Frank Demi, and he was like tattooed like head
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  Speaker 2: to toe, like in like eighties, like late eighties, like already.
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  Speaker 2: Like he'd come to my house in like you know,
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine or like ninety eight and have like neck
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  Speaker 2: pieces and like flames on his ear, And I like
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  Speaker 2: that was cool to be around all these like old
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: musician guys and they would like always bring old relics
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. Oh, this was your dad's and that like
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  Speaker 2: that all I think really like seeing that and being
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: around like cool guys, cool dudes with something. I was like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like be fucking sickna be gonna be
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  Speaker 2: rad when I'm older. And my dad wasn't even.
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  Speaker 1: Really liked.
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  Speaker 2: So it was he he had like a couple of
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  Speaker 2: hard heads in that band like rubbed off on me
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That's how So what was it that for you like
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  Speaker 1: inspired you to like do specifically like heavy music because
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: it sounds like based on like his experience in music.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't obviously at least he wasn't creating heavy music.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was one of those guys
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  Speaker 1: that was really secretly into heavy music, but yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: was it that like got you more into heavy music? Then?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? My dad was like very religious actually, so he
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: was super cool, Like he was a California dad, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but like he had he I went to like Catholic
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  Speaker 2: school when I was a kid, very religious. We would
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: go to church. It's like a big part of my
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: life actually. And I went to a really small school, right,
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: I'd like my class from like he was like K
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: through eight, right, like kindergarten through mus school. There was
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  Speaker 2: like thirty kids. So I think like I was always
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  Speaker 2: looking for in a like cooler stuff, you know, I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't in go to public school and was immediately
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  Speaker 2: exposed to kids wearing like Metallica shirts and Dio shirts
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  Speaker 2: and like black Savage shirts. I was like in a
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  Speaker 2: very sterile environment. So I think that helped me like
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  Speaker 2: lead lead myself to heavy music. And I know I
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: had a couple of class mates, like particularly this girl,
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: her name is Melissa Tello. I still talked to her
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  Speaker 2: this day, and me and her were like this as
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: far as like we're the only two people that listened
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: to like like like rock, scream o metal, anything like
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: that back in the day, like it Dies today and
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: Taking Back Sunday and like Unbroken Oh.
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  Speaker 6: Yeahs and a Dozen Furies, you know, those those old
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  Speaker 6: school ass bands.
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  Speaker 1: What was the reception like like when uh, you know,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: with with your dad being into the music that he
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: was like you know, creating and into like like once
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: he found out that you were into this like heavier stuff,
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  Speaker 1: especially growing up in this like very religious environment where
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that was probably pretty foreign for a
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: lot of people in the world that you were in,
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  Speaker 1: What was the reception like, was it like are you
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: listening to like demon music or like I'm just curious,
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  Speaker 1: Like because for Colin and I that was our experience,
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  Speaker 1: like because we were like the only people in our
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: because we grew up super Christian as well, and in
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  Speaker 1: the Christian world that we were in. No like obviously
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: there were the Christian that there was a Christian world
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: that was listening to like under Oath or whatever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but if you were not familiar with like something like
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: under Oath or August Burns rad You thought anything that
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  Speaker 1: sounded like that was demon music. And so you always
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: as a Christian kid, had to justify like no, like
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: under oath to a Christian band and they're on a
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Christian label, and you had to like do that whole
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: justification thing. Like for you, what was the way that
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: you were like, Hey, this is just what I'm really into.
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  Speaker 1: Like was your dad and your family like really accepting
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  Speaker 1: of that or is that something you really had to
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  Speaker 1: like basically argue to like actually listen to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think well, since my dad was
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: a musician, he initially understood. My mom was kind of
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: more like confused at what was going on. Granted, like
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: unlike the Midwest, and I grew up, you know, in
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: southern California in like you know, twenty thirty minutes outside
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  Speaker 2: of la and it's being like religious in La is
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: like it's like a pastime for some folks. So my
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: dad was like hardcore kind of like Irish Catholic, like
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: but not like Boston Irish Catholic. He's like so cal
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Irish Catholic. So he was very like progressive and very
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: laid back. He didn't get it though, like fully and
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: probably in full context, he was like, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: My dad passed away and when I was are thirteen
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  Speaker 2: years old, So it happened at this time where like
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  Speaker 2: I was just getting into I wasn't really even into
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: heavier stuff. I was into like lighter like I was
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  Speaker 2: more on like the scream at like a static lulla
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  Speaker 2: by those were like bands I was listening to more
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  Speaker 2: like the emo screamo side of things. I wasn't quite
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: like that heavy yet, if you will. So I just
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: remember like them being like, what is this like yapping
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  Speaker 2: coming from our son's room? But I was such a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: sweet kid like and so shy that I think they
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: were like, this is not, like you know, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a thing. And then when my mom started
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: seeing me play shows, I think she was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to act like I like this because
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: she saw how good it was like for me and
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I have friends, you know a place.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Well, at what point? At what point for them like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: not only because obviously that's a huge turning point for
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: them to be like, oh, like our son is like
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: really talented at this and uh he clearly is into it.
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  Speaker 1: At what point does it become a thing for them
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: where they're like, this isn't maybe just a hobby like that,
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  Speaker 1: this is actually like this isn't just gonna be like
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: a thing that like he's gonna do in high school
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: and then once he goes off to college, like you know,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: that'll be the end of it. Like at what point
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: were they like, Oh, this is this is serious, Like
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: this could actually pay some of the bills. Like did
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: they ever get to that point? Are they still? Are
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: they still like questioning.
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  Speaker 2: That like subjective? I think my mom's still like what
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: like my mom like for years, like like I left
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: the band and I came back and like she was like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: are you sure you want to do this? You know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: me and my mom were like pretty close, so she
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: still like loves, you know, everything I do with the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: band and is like a huge supporter. But oh yeah,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like life is real and being in
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  Speaker 2: a band is hard, and your mom is like obviously
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: worried about you and for your safety, your financial security.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So she's always been, you know, skeptical, but at the
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: end of the day, like understands like this is probably
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: what I was set out to do. So she's been
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: like my biggest supporter through it all. But I think
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: coming home with like a really sketchy record contract and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: putting it in front of my mom being like, what
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: do you think about this? My band's gonna get signed.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: We're fucking eighteen, I have no idea what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: That's when she realized It's like, oh, yeah, you're about
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to make like a really bad decision. So well, that's
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: pretty much what happened is we got like volumes, got
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  Speaker 2: signed really really really young, really really early on, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing. That's a bad thing looking back
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  Speaker 2: on it. And so I think we I mean, we
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: were playing small local shows for nobody, and we had
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: this contract shoved in our face, and that's when things
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: kind of changed of you know, getting legal advice and
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: stuff like when you're like twenty years old, nineteen years
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: old and you know, asking your parents to help you
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and stuff. That's when they realized, I think, Okay, this
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: is going to be something that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Makes sense that reminds me like this, this question is
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: coming to my mind now of like, given the fact
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that you guys are mostly, if not all, from California
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: and you're navigating that as like, you know, nineteen twenty
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: year olds where you're now starting to tour across the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: country and you're making some money, and you're having to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: get like legal advice and all of that, all of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: those things that come with being in a band, especially
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: like a sign band, All of that's happening at that time,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: given the fact that you all are from California, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: around the same time, you have a band from Kentucky
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that is also probably going through the same sort of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: thing where they're starting to tour a lot, they're starting
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to get signed, they're starting to probably get legal advice,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: but they're from Kentucky and that band is not loose.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And obviously I'm not trying to compare you guys to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: like sound Wise or anything like that, But what I'm
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: saying is like there's something to be said about, like
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: if you're from California and you're nineteen years old, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the kind of advice you probably get if you're trying
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to like do this like metal music thing. Given the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: fact that, like however much money you make from that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: at that time, and knowing what the cost of living
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: is living in California, it must be different. Like I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've thought about this before. But it
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: must be different than if you're like a band from
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere in Kentucky that's now popping off
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and has maybe the same sort of access to the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: same amount of money and tours and everything. Like, there
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: must be like a different kind of thing. And now
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, like, I wonder if like the part
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of the reason why Knock Loose has gotten to the
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: point that they have is the fact that they were
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: coming from a place where they just had like less
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: cost of living to have to really factor into this
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: whole consideration of what do we do as a band
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: as we're starting to get access to more popularity and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: more money and more tours and all of those sort
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of things. I don't know if that's the thing that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you've ever thought about, especially with other bands that you've
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: toured with, But I'm realizing that now, like there must
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: be a difference given where you're coming from, Like whether
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you're from Kentucky or from California, that matter is a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: huge that has to matter a lot given the fact
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that like cost of living is huge, massively different between
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: those two places.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. It's something I think is
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: attributes to a lot of different things. The Knocked Loose
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: is a band that we love. I have personal relationships
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: with members of that band and they I just posted
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: something about this the other day on Instagram. Where it's
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: like watching projects grow and blossom that are into something
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: that's real. Is the most fun you're gonna have and
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: everything after that's subjective and an opinion based, but that's
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: not that is statistically proven, and that is without a doubt.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Is someone that's been doing this for almost twenty years,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: is the most fun and rewarding part of your career
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that you'd have. And I think, like I do, think
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: there's really like for volume we looking back, we can
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: look back on that and we have a sense of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: like this started here and ended here, but there was
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of blurriness in between. It was self induced,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: some of it wasn't self induced. Then you have other
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: bands that really like take this righteous path and soak
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it all up and personal opinion, for me, I wish
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I would have soaked more of it up. And you
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: know I'm not. It's not all lost on me. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: have enough of a deep connection with you know what
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: we went through in our history. But I think if
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you come from like we came from a place that
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: was so unrealistic, Los Angeles is and this was in
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: like the mid two thousands, early two thousands. Our life
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: we were living as young men eighteen to nineteen to
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: twenty years old when this band started really picking up,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: was like a very quintessential American pie suburban lifestyle, like
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: high school parties, everyone knows everybody. There's two high schools
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: in your town, football games, like very social environment like
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles. So like there's your friend's dad is a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: filmmaker and your other friend's dad might be famous. It's
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a very like mixed community. And typically what happens with
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: with you know, the populace of young people out here
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: is everyone doesn't matter where you come from. It could
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: be you know your your your parents are rich, your
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: parents are poor. Everyone kind of hangs out with each other.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: There's really no clicks. There's clicks, but there's no cliques
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like that. And I think that was a detriment for
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: us going on tour, being in other people's areas, being
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: around other people. We came from this place to like, dude,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like we have a lot of fun at home, like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: when we when we are on tour, we miss home
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and a way that other bands don't miss home. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the band right next to us is a band that's
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: from like a town of ten thousand people, and they
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: are like, I fucking hate home and I'm just thrilled
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: to be out here. And I think that if anything
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: beyond the cost attributing of like saving money and being ahead,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I think that attributes first and foremost to anything is
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like how you're hardwired. If you put Volumes and Knock
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Loose side by side in two thousand and twelve, it'd
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: be nice. The Volumes would be fucking train wreck, Knock
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Loose would be fine. And that that attributes from them
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: coming from probably a more realistic, grounded town city environment
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and LA the circus that it is, and how it
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: rubbed off on us, as you know, folks, very common tale.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I don't live in LA anymore. I'm not an LA hater,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: but there's a lot of things that we learned the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: hard way because our scene was very cushioned. We were
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: very Every tour would come through my Cobalt Cafe Kinoga Park, California,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes thirty miles outside of Los Angeles, and it
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: was the Cobalt and Chain reaction. So we had like
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: just a funnel of bands, great parties, great time, like
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: everyone was having a lot of fun. So we took
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: that energy out on the road. And sometimes you're just
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: met with adversity and other bands just could be the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: headlining band, It could be a case to strain that's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: looking at us, like, what the fuck is going on?
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: These dudes are like smoking so much weed. They're listening
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to like horrible music. They're not listening to anything heavy.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: We were like we would get on tour and people
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: would be like, I didn't realize these dudes were like this,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean some of it. Some of it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I look back and I was just like, you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: we made We had a lot of like progressive moments
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: in this band. We were not scared to try new
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: things or be that band on the tour. And that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: was like directly tied to how we grew up and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: where we came from. And you grow up quick and
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: you learn how to act on certain tours and how
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to not act on certain tours. So that that's such
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: a good question. That is such a good question.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Do you subscribe?
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Do you obscribe?
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Ascribe so much of that to the idea that Los
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Angeles and the Los Angeles area itself, it's kind of
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: like its own ecosystem and its own microculture that can
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: essentially sustain itself. And then as soon as you hit
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: this point where you kind of hit the ceiling of
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: that ecosystem, then well, now you kind of have to
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: branch out or what is it for you that you.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Think, Yeah, I think Los Angeles is like there's just
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: so much going on and there always has been that
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it's hard to even if you're doing like really well,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: it's hard. We're like one of the only bands like
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: from Los Angele, like from Los Angeles probably that's still active,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: like truly like a lot of bands live here now,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: but like as far as bands coming out of LA
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: that's still around, I don't. It's hard, Like there's not
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: too many that are still doing a suicide Silence is
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: obviously like they're They're probably the first band I think
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of and like, we're not not comparing myself to that
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: band at all, but you look back and you go,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like thirty five down, You're like that was years ago.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And I think like for us, we just like longevity
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: and consistency has been our biggest commodity and accolade, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: especially in LA that's everything. La is like just people
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: either care they don't and progressive gent music, which I'm
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: not gonna call volumes at but that's baseline, bottom line,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Like that's a by word to describe it to you
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: in three words, that's basically what it is. And I
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: love that, but not you know, Hollywood and Los Angeles,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: like that is not even right now with the resurgence
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: of like metal, hardcore, knock loose, turnstile, gen music, still
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: like it's going to Gen shows. Dude, I'm not going
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to gent shows, Dude, I'm going to all the other shows.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: But that's not like like we just threw a show
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: in October and dude, ticket sales we're rough. You know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: it was a self promoted show, and it's like you
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: cogniz we know that's what you're getting into when you
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: book a show in La. La is just a tough,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: tough town, a lot of snobs.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: What would you say, maybe like it's a city or
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a region maybe specifically for volumes. Maybe you just kind
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of know this generally with the kind of scene of
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: bands here, with what is the city or the region
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: where it's like that's actually not a tough that's not
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a tough crowd, Like, that's not a tough place to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: sell tickets.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I'd say, like Texas, Texas is like, oh, so has
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: that been?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Has that been consistent throughout your guys' career or is
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that like a more recent thing.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: No, it's always been consistent. Texas is like just been
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: like all the shows there are always super fun, super rowdy,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: super packed. It's always been like that. We can always
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: really count on like Houston, San Antonio, Dallas as you know, Austin, yes,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and no now more so with the new venue they
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: have there. But yeah, Texas is just so big, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: there's so many people and they really are dedicated to
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: like heavy music. So but it's just an l a
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: thing because even if you go like down south like
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Orange County, San Diego, those shows are like we're always packed.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Chain Reaction was always way cooler than like our little
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: world and Soma Center like Soma San Diego, that that
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: venue and that like it's like a compound of a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: couple of venues there brick by brick in San Diego.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Like those these venues like are always they always have
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: done well. So it's just an it's like a it's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: an l a thing for sure.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: M So let's talk about the new album. So a
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: lot of go ahead, go ahead?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I would say like a lot of what
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: people know about the history beyond great music when it
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: comes to volumes is quite a bit of turmoil and
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: then also some tragedy and things of that sort involved
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: as well, with the benefit of hindsight and you know
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: a little bit of retrospective when you're looking back at
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: you know how things have kind of progressed with you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: members of the band and you know, maybe poor record
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: label deals and stuff like that. What's your viewpoint on
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: those things now? Now that you're thirty five and you've
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: you've been through the ring, you're on some things, and
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: you've you've grown as an individual and as a band.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like like a band just like brings
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: a group of people together, typically in a super young, fragile,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: vulnerable state parlor lives aka like sixteen seventeen when you start,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: you know, playing in bands in a garage and there's
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: a chance that might turn into something and then those
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: people who all are like children have to like go
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: be adults and just instantly like take this thing and
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: be all in a relationship together, and that's pretty much
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: how I viewed I still view Volumes. Volumes has had
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: like a lot of we've had We've had like a lineup,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: dynamic change, A lot of people have come and gone
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: physically too. But there's been a lot of people involved
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in Volumes throughout the years, like friends, like people, like
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't. I mean, you guys probably
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: realize it, but folks listening and a band is like
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a band, and then there's everyone around it that helped
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: make it happen, and those people, like you don't forget them.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So there's just been like a lot of personality types
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: around the band, people that are affiliated with Volumes, that
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: aren't in Volumes, people that have been in Volumes, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: it's kind of this dysfunctional family. I think every band
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: has that feeling. I've been on tour with bands that
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: aren't like that, and they have it. It's an anomaly.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But you go on tour and there's bands that are
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: just like, dude, everything's all good, and those are like
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: the funnest bands to tour with. But typically it's a
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: dysfunctional family and you just have to really like understand
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that like no one is everyone's out of their comfort
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: zone typically specifically like when you're on tour. So I think,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: like looking back on what that means to me, it's basically, like,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I guess, just having an open mind and never really
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: judging anyone by their actions immediately, especially like in an
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: environment of being in a band, because like typically everyone
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: wants to win. Obviously, everyone wants to have big records,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: play sold out shows, tour on a bus tour around
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the world, and I don't think anyone gets there. You
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: can't take take people's walks of life, recognize it for
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: what it is, and then move on. Can't be bothered
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: by where people are coming from. It's the hardest thing.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: It's what kills bands, and what makes bands breakup is
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you're just you're just you get you get sick of
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: each other, your timeline for one another runs out. Volumes
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: has been there. It takes a lot for this band
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to go on travel trips and do flyouts and do
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: stuff like that because we have a lot of trauma
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and do stuff from the past, and we're just very
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: careful now with like agreeing to what we do because
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: of that, and it helps us sometimes it holds us back.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Some people feel like it's a slower process, but we're
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: we have to be careful on where we're going because
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: we've just yeah, we've been yes men in the past,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: and just on your mental health and everyone else's mental health.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: It's like first and foremost is the most important thing.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me. Cul and I have interviewed Dustin
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Kentcer from Thrice a number of times and we've gotten
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to know him pretty well. And like, Thrice is a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: band that I often think about, like, you know, they've
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: been around for nearly thirty years and they've always had
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the same four guys, and I don't know exactly about
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: like their management and all of that, but like it's
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: been the same four guys for nearly thirty years, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of that is due to the fact that
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: like they just actually still to this day enjoy hanging
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: out with each other and being with each other, and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you don't realize like how much of you know. Obviously,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: there is a part of a band where like you
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: need a good songwriter, you need like you need talented
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: people who are talented at their respective instruments. But at
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, like Colin and I talk
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: about this all the time or whenever we especially when
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: we interview people who are like they weren't the original
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: member of a band but got brought into a band,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we often ask them about, like how did you get
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: into the band, And more or less it wasn't because
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they were way more talented than anyone else. It was
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: just because, like they were easy to get along with,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Like they're just they're good people that are good to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: get along with. And there's so much of that you
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you realize with bands where part of the reason why
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm trying to Colin and I
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: bring this band up a lot, but Jimmy World, for example,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Like Jimmy World, same guys for however many years, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: they've consistently released albums, consistently done tours, and part of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that probably and we don't know the Jimmy World guys,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: but I would imagine part of that is the fact
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that like they just like get along with each other,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: like they're just easy guys to get along, Like there's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: no egos involved, They're just like people that just enjoy
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: loving making music and loving playing shows together. And I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: definitely know that that's the case for thrice and and
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: so there's something we said about the fact that, like
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you can be as talented as you want in the world,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: especially as a musician, but if you're just like not
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: easy to get along with, like You're, there's a there's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a good chance like you're, you're gonna fizzle out pretty quickly.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really works for for anyone. I mean, there's
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: there's a couple of exceptions that you know. I I think,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: like it's an old business model, if you will, if
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you're in a band and in twenty twenty six, you
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: know where we have one one more month left of
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: this year. I think people understand that, like if you're
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: inaccessible and you are trying to put up barriers for
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: you and your fans or even your crew and your band,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: maybe it gets out whatever. It's so in my opinion,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: and I'm an old guy here, but I noticed the young,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: young kids, young folks now are like they want a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: direct line of like who they're supporting, what tickets to
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the show they're buying, who's who's owns, the brands of
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: clothing they're buying. If you're like mysterious or elusive or
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: like a loof creatively a loof it like doesn't work anymore,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and I've fallen victim in that as far as like
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: first promotions and stuff that I want to do with
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: volumes or other things. That's like kind of like my
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: age demographic is what we grew up on is rock star.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: You know, like everyone everyone is making money and inaccessible
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: and hiding behind a greenroom walls whatever. And I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: like where we're at now, it's really cool to see
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: young people request that's like they don't want that, you know.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I think like Turnstile is a really good example of
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a band, the traditional hardcore band that is like blossom
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: into what they're doing now and they still have like
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, I know other people are like can
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: say they're not this or that anymore, but I think
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: they've holed up. They've held up a lot of integrity
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: as far as trying to do what they're doing now
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: and where they've come from. They've they've balanced it pretty well.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And that's a band that is like we are are
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: massive and we can be rock stars and we can
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: amass this that right, but they're never gonna do that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: You can always count on them like they're they're gonna
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: have floor shows. Still they're gonna play like down the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: street where like the fucking Elks Lodge or I live
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: up here, And I think that's the new format. That's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that's I think that is really cool and rock stardom
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: is dead.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something we said about like knowing like obviously
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: like Turnstile is not going to be the local band
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: that's just like the local hardcore band that's only played
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like a few shows, Like we know that they're not that,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and they know that they're not that, but they know
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that that's where they came from, like they were that
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: at one point, and they they clearly remember that. And
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: at the same time they're balancing at with the fact
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: that like, you know what we're we're gonna we're gonna
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: try to replicate that as much as we can as
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: much as they're able to. And and Knock Loose says that,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like I still see like you know, knock Loose will
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: play like Coachella and in that same year, they'll play
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: like some almost what looks like a basement show, right
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Like they'll they'll do that, And that's like, to me,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: that's what's really cool about especially a lot of bands
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: like Turnstile, or knock Loose or whatever it might be.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Is they recognize where they came from. They're not going
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to ignore that. They're gonna try to stay as true
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: to that as possible while also recognizing like they aren't
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: just that right and we all know that too. Sometimes
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: they are gonna play kemel.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think like like like knock Loose, like
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: clearly has you know, all the cards in there at
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: their disposal, And I're they're being responsible, right, They're being
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: responsible with their what they're giving back to people that
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: have made them who they are today. And you didn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: see that in twenty ten, you know, in twenty and
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: eight and twenty fifteen. So yeah, it's just I think
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: like the industry, the suits, the people that like, didn't
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: necessarily think they could operate that way because it was
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: deemed like low grade or not not of the industry standard.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Why would you, why would you do a secret show
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: at a two under cap venue and da da da.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: But the world's gotten just so funneled and bad and
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: stale and non creative and diluted that I think labels
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: are following like they're going back to the grassroots, the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: basics and being like, you know, I realizing that there's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: a want for that instead of like and bands are
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: obviously playing arena shows. We've seen that in the last
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: two years, like all these bands playing huge arenas, which
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: is sick, but it's also cool to do the small stuff.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: And I like, I book out of a really small venue.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: It's a DIY venue. I do like really small shows there,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of interest. Like a lot of
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: big bands have been hitting me up like, hey, would
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: it be cool to like do something there? And I'm
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: like absolutely, like why not? You know, why wouldn't you?
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So I think there's a hunger for that, especially in LA,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: especially in LA where music is in. Live music is
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: going through like a true renaissance post pandemic. A lot
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: of venues closed and a lot of new venues have
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: opened up, a lot of bars, a lot of bars
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: have opened up their doors to artists and they're doing
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: shows now. So you're seeing like tons and tons of
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: small shows. They're not heavily promoted, which is way cooler
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: because you kind of have like be in the know.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: And that's LA hasn't necessarily been the sickest, coolest environment
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: for new music, but in the last year too it's
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: really changed and there's a lot of like there's a
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: huge heavy scene, huge hardcore scene. There's hardcore shows in
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Hollywood now there It was never that, there was never
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: hardcore shows in Hollywood and there are now and then
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: like the East end of town, Silver Lake, Highland Park,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: there's tons of like these little craft venues that are
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: always doing like cool, cool underground stuff.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Should we should we talk about the new record?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: All right? So, uh, what is it about this record
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: that you are most proud of in terms of the
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: change in the style, the uh, the the dynamics of
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: you know, the composition of the band itself. Seems like
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: you're exploring a lot of new things here that are
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of fun.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we volumes, you know, We're we've always been like
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: a hybrid kind of band. We do a lot of
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: different styles. It's something we've like evolved with every album
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that we've put out. It started on No Sleep years ago.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: That was like a huge leap for us as far
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: as we want to start singing. And so we did
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: on that record and kind of made it work or
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: did it in a way that we thought would work
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: for us. And it's not really a goal for every record,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: but we always come back to like, all right, let's
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: do like, let's do a couple let's do a couple
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: volumes bangers, and we try to do and it's always
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: like we're never going to replicate what we did before,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: but somehow we find a way. We stumbled through it,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and they're always like too good to put on the
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: back burner. I am like, I listen to a lot
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: of heavy music, and I am like, I'm not the
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: biggest fan of the big pop volume songs, and this
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: is just full disclosure, right, this is full transparent. A
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: lot of like front man and lead singers like they
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: won't say this stuff. So I love singing stuff like this.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: It's just like we do it really well. It's it's
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: not like a responsibility, it's not obligatory. But where I'm
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: at in my life, like I don't listen to singing music.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I listened to like punk music, metal music, hardcore music,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and that's just where I'm at now, and I a
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, I was listening to a lot
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: of other different things. So this record, how poppy it is,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: it came out a really interesting time in my life personally,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and it's still one of those things where volumes will
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: always get through to me vulnerably, and I hope it
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: does with our fans, and I think that's like the
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: most that's the biggest thing for me on this record
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: is like I want the people that are interested and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: want to listen to volumes, I want them to understand that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Like this, this album is a scope of like everything
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: we've kind of done, and all of the albums we
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: put out you can kind of hear it. On this one.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: We did a lot of like nostalgic mixing. We have
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of songs that sound like old school volumes,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: like true old school volumes, and that was important to
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: add those elements in to not just have like a
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: record like Happier, which is great, but it's very clear
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and sterile and where that that's cool for what that was,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: But for this we wanted to like dumb things down intentionally,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: so like subjectivity mix, everything just feels like there's it's
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: not lofty, it's not we're not coming from a place
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of like trying really hard to hit something on the nail.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Mear Touch is just there's not even a song on
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the album called mir Touch. It's just like we named
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the album something that meant really you know, a concept
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: that we thought was very cool. We were super into
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and it like meant a lot to us as a band.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Uh So, I think I just hope that that's the
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: effect it has on listeners.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: What is uh what does mirror touch mean to you guys?
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Uh miar touch is a like clinical definition for so
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: there's something called synthesesia that people are like well aware
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: of where you can like see color through sound and
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: like sound through color. And then there's a term called
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: mirror touch, which is like another side of synthesesia where
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: it's the same effect, but you you're mirroring people's physical
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: pain and it's or or like joy or happiness. But
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: it typically like stems from someone that can, like you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: like my fiance like cuts herself. I have a sensation
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: of like that exact feeling in that exact place because
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I'm so like connected with her. So that's like a
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: real thing that happens. And we thought that was so
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: cool and what a cool like concept to you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: wrap your head around. For our fans and our supporters,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: we feel like that's the relationship and tandem thing we
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: have with them, like we can be honest and know
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and we feel what they feel vice versa.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: It's like this, like I like to keep embodied form
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: of like empathy.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: That's yeah. I mean, like back to just you know
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: how different volumes can get. I think like at the
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: end of the day, we have songs that are angry.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I can get super pissed off, you know, write a
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: song like whatever. But we're just like we're we're like
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: such softies, like normal guys. And that's just if if
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: there's any like theme or thing with volumes, like we're
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: not like Vai Lamaya or like eisnine Kills has these
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: like strong directions attached to their band, like we're just
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I think it's like the vulnerability and just having like
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: our walls really low, being super approachable, being very self deprecating,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: maybe even to a detribute.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: M gotcha.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Should we get into your top five most influential records?
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Let's do it, all right. You can start however you like,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: just go ahead and start ripping away, all right, and
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: then just give a little brief brief explanation as to
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: why that record is on this.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, I wrote it down because I
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: get so waked out when I do stuff like this,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: like I'm so bad people are, especially in music. What's
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: your favorite song of all time? I don't. I can't
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: answer that, Okay, I have four? Is that okay?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: And you know, who knows? Maybe another one will come
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: to mind as you talk about them.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Actually, no, I do have five. Coming in at number one.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: It already happened. Yeah, already happened, coming in at number one,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Tragic Kingdom, no doubt. A lot of you will be
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: surprised when you hear that. Most of you folks, most
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: of you folks that know me know that. Like I'm
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: a die hard, no doubt fan, true Southern California kid.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: The first like the first music I was like very
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: stoked on first genre. I was like punk ska music,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: and that was like if you grew up in Southern
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: California in the nineties, the two thousands, that's like that
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: was it. No doubt, was like a thing me and
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: my sister shared. It's kind of what started my journey
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: in music, was like being very stoked on them and
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like being had like a huge crossh on Gwen Stefani.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Like of course, so all those things where I was like, dude,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: this chick is like so hot and sick. So that album,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that album, which is that it's actually very good. That
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: one was like a big one for me in my youth.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Connected with number two, I would say Sublime self titled
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: again various Southern California and me to be throwing this
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: in the mix. Sublime, it's like they're like the red
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: hot Chili Peppers. People are like Fox Sublime and like
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: hate them and they don't understand it. But it's like
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: one of those things where it's like synonymous with how
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I grew up and where I live, and they're actually
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: like one of the Bradley noll Is like the coolest
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: guy who passed away too young. So yeah, Sublime was
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: like a huge Those two bands were also like that
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Orange County connection. They like came up together, so I
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: thought that was really cool. So I'm obviously in the
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Sublime and then I'll okay, so number so number three
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: would be NOFX Thanks for all the shoes. Wow, yeah,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: these are like the next one was gonna make more sense.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Trust me, No, these all makes sense to me.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I mean thanks for all the shoes.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Like a the album was like a big album for me.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: And to this day it's like so nostalgic love No Effects.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I will say, like so far, you know, and yeah
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: No Effects is also yeah, I forgot they're from La.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Like okay, you've you've already like talked because No Doubt
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: is from California as well, right, and like yeah, yeah,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: so so far you've mentioned three California bands. Like I
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: can't imagine growing up in the nineties as like a
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: weirdo kid in LA or California in general, Like it
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: must have been like just the best time to have
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: ever grown up being a weirdo because you had SKA,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: you had great punk coming out at that time, like
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you had you had such good music coming out at
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: that time for like a bunch of like if you're
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like somebody who's just like I'm not really into like
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: all the top forty stuff or whatever, that ends up
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: becoming super popular and you're like, wait, what, Like this
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: was all the stuff I was just like going to
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: random shows too, and now now all of this is
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: this stuff is popular. Like it's just been such an
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: interesting time to have been that kind of kid in
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the nineties in California.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think like that's that's part of like
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: you falling, like you know, I didn't. I didn't have
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: a dad who like was like obsessed with Metallica. And
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I think that attributes to maybe why Volumes is like
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the way it is, because like I initially grew up
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: on like punk and SKA and was just like immersed
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: in that world. And yeah, I had like that's me
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: and my friends, Like that's like all we listened to,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: you know, at the time. And it was a total
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: product of like I had cousins that grew up in
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Orange County. I thought they were the cool Like I
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: thought Orange County was like the coolest place growing up.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I was like, oh my god,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want to live. I was like landlocked in
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the valley Inland and like I was like, nothing cool
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: is happening here, like all these bands I listened to,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: like live like sixty miles South. So yeah, it was
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: to your point. I think people are just like when
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like talking about Sublime to like a Volumes fan,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: They're like what they what do you mean?
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: I do find it interesting that that it's all so
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: far the music that means the most to you. It
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: has been the music that has been pretty pretty much
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: like chill out music.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I listened to a lot, like I mean, I
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: grew up on like my dad was like a huge
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Beatles guy, and like I'm kind of indifferent about the Beatles,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: like when it shoved down your throat and you're you're
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: like fuck cool, you know. I hear the songs now
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: and I'm like how many times can you listen to
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Yellow Summarine, you know? But h yeah, I mean it's
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: it's all like it's all death like you know, California Sunshine,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Palm Trees. It's it's all like chill punk, chill music.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: But then I Have I Have coming in at number
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: four is this was a huge. This is when I
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: started like, you know, like making creating more of my
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: own taste. Was tell all your friends by Taking Back Sunday.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: That album was like yeah, my middle school like yeah,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: like Bible like it was just like the cool. Yeah,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: that was like a huge Adam Lazara was like I
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: was just like amazed by him. Uh. Then at number
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I guess so that was three? So or that was four?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Or no, was three? Or four? That was four?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: That was four? Yeah you got one more.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do two more.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do it, okay.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Uh Minus the Herd. Ion Dissonance was like a huge
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: inspiration for like Volumes as far as vocal style for me.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people realize who Ion
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Dissonance is, but they're like a very like niche band
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: early two thousands, like metalcore kind of like like I guess,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: like almost like grind core vibes. They're from Canada. Yeah,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: they were like super sick. Everyone go check out Ion
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Distance Minus the Herd. That was a huge, huge album
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: for me. And then lastly like August Burn's Red Constellations
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: that was like I was like, okay, cool, so I'm
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: basically gonna sound exactly like this this guy Screamer Jay
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: who I love. So those those last two were like huge,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: huge easter eggs for me as far as like okay,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: like I have these two guys, this is this is
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: what this is like where I want to be and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: there there you go.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: Great call.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I honestly, to some degree, I hear a little bit
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: of all of that with Volumes, Like you know that
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: there is occasionally this kind of like laid back or
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: just at least from like a songwriting approach, I could
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: kind of see some of the different songwriting elements of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: some of those California bands you mentioned. But then obviously,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: like you're talking about this kind of like mathcore band
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: with iron dissonance, and then you obviously hear that kind
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: of that gent chaotic sound. And then obviously with like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: August Burn's Red, like the just the dynamic of like
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the heavy, the great rifts, the the the incredible like breakdowns. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and and then just that that sort of like se
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  Speaker 1: uh and screaming dynamic. Like it's just you hear all
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  Speaker 1: of that. So this this list actually really makes a
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  Speaker 1: lot of sense here hearing it.
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  Speaker 2: It does it kind of it's like it's the ska
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  Speaker 2: the punks in there, and then the rock emo like
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  Speaker 2: kind of and then to the heavy. It took you
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  Speaker 2: through a little chronological roller coaster.
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  Speaker 1: Jarney, I see it, I see it. I love it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: great list, great list. Uh, what do you want to
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  Speaker 1: what do you want to plug? Michael? So, obviously new albums,
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  Speaker 1: a new album at least the time of the recording
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  Speaker 1: is about to come out, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So the new album will be out in
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. We have like a couple of
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  Speaker 2: surprises I can't really talk too much about them, but
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  Speaker 2: like around the album announcement, shortly thereafter, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: dropping some confirmations on some stuff we have coming up with,
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  Speaker 2: like cloud operations. There might be a couple of shows
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  Speaker 2: being announced.
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  Speaker 1: So definitely sweet, stay tuned, nice, love it well, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're looking forward to it. Uh, yeah, can't wait. Listening
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  Speaker 1: to the few songs that have come out so far
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  Speaker 1: with the album, I'm just like, I'm so stoked for
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  Speaker 1: the entire.
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  Speaker 2: Album it's gonna be Yeah, you guys got heard it.
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  Speaker 1: Not the entire thing, just this the few songs that
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  Speaker 1: have come out. I think I could have listened to
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  Speaker 1: the entire album. I'm sure we got like the press
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  Speaker 1: release for it, but like a few songs that I've
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  Speaker 1: just been blaring in my car, I'm like, yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is this is so sick.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I just waited out this At this point,
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  Speaker 2: it's worth it.
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  Speaker 1: Love it, yeah, excited for it. Well, Michael, what else
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  Speaker 1: would you like to plug?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? In twenty fifteen, when I left the band, I
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  Speaker 2: moved to New York and managed a Michelin Star restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: It was for a Star Michelin restaurant. It was called
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  Speaker 2: Le Ajou.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, were you like the soux chef? What were you
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  Speaker 1: doing at this?
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  Speaker 2: I was like I was like the like executive manager
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  Speaker 2: of the entire floor. Yeah, so I oversaw everything from I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Be honest, big big foody. So I gotta I gotta know,
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  Speaker 1: like what what kind of food we all doing?
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  Speaker 2: At LEAs you? At LEAs you we were doing like
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  Speaker 2: it was basically like a Glory like elevated steakhouse with
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  Speaker 2: some like top this involved so front front front. Half
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  Speaker 2: of the menu was all like quick grab tapas bites,
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  Speaker 2: and then we had like some all star like finale
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  Speaker 2: like sixty five seventy five dollars plated foods. And it
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  Speaker 2: was seasonal so it would change in rotation.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine a good Wagu, right, oh yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: it was that house, I would imagine there's a good Wagu.
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  Speaker 1: If it was a steakhouse of some.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of a las yeah, sick wagu. Also just like
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  Speaker 2: a really it was a New York's a nice New
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  Speaker 2: York strip. We didn't really Oh yeah, generously prized green
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  Speaker 2: playing food. Dude, it's still there. Shout out Ricky, Shout
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  Speaker 2: out Ricky. Love Ricky Ricky.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's incredible. So okay, after I always you know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the Bear has kind of inspired this
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  Speaker 1: a little bit to to a lot of people. But
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  Speaker 1: when when you now knowing like your experience of you know,
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  Speaker 1: working in the you know the nice like fine dining industry.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you're used to like incredible food
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  Speaker 1: right obviously, But when you get home at night after
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  Speaker 1: a long night of you know, working or whatever, like,
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  Speaker 1: what what's like that go to? Like are you making
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  Speaker 1: a grilled cheese? Are you making some mac and cheese?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What? What? What is it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Like you just what what are you doing to to
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  Speaker 1: like just satisfy make sure you get to bed to
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  Speaker 1: that night, make sure you get some food to eat
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  Speaker 1: before you go to bed.
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  Speaker 2: Probably some like a long like a long shift at
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  Speaker 2: lea ju super stressful, huge clientlest like so many exclusive tables.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, I need some Chinese food on
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  Speaker 2: my way home. Oh hell yeah, all these personality types
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  Speaker 2: coming up to me, I need this, I need that,
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  Speaker 2: Hey dude, I'd be like, okay, I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 2: get through the shift and make it to my orange
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  Speaker 2: chicken coming egg for young Oh yeah, guy, pin.
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  Speaker 4: Can you shout out the one individual that you were
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  Speaker 4: most proud to have seen come through the door.
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  Speaker 2: At lea ju h Salami. Salami sal was a like Mafi,
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  Speaker 2: like a washed up mafia don Like no one really
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  Speaker 2: knew if he was like actually in the mafia or not.
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  Speaker 2: But he like tips tips everyone, and two dollars bills
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  Speaker 2: and walk, hey, here's dollars. And he always he he
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  Speaker 2: was he was. He was a psychopath too. He'd like
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  Speaker 2: he'd like eat his food and as soon as he's
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  Speaker 2: done with his steak, he started crying instantly, and everyone
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  Speaker 2: would be like people get freaked out and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's just Salami Syle like he's got a lot he's
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  Speaker 2: you don't really ask why he's crying. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many bodies I mean, people always put
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to be one of those bodies someday.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we never knew, We never knew.
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  Speaker 4: He probably just loved the He loved the food so
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  Speaker 4: much that I thought transcendent experience to the point he.
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  Speaker 2: Did something really bad and he just like le it
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  Speaker 2: was the only place that he'd go have like a
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  Speaker 2: some peace of mind, and he like gets through his
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  Speaker 2: steak and then as soon as it's done, he's back
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  Speaker 2: to reality and he's like, damn, damn, I probably I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably probably gonna get me soon. Man, They're probably gonna
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  Speaker 2: whack me soon. Man, huge come in, come in, was
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  Speaker 2: a huge cigar and can't smoke inside, but we would
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  Speaker 2: love him smoke inside.
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  Speaker 1: You got it, you got it all him, man. I
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  Speaker 1: mean like it sounds like I'm not gonna tell him no.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like this was like what he was hoping
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  Speaker 1: to be his last meal, Like he was hoping to
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  Speaker 1: go in to the restaurant and come back out and
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  Speaker 1: that's when he gets knocked out.
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  Speaker 2: You know what. I left lea Ju to come back
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  Speaker 2: to Volumes, and uh I never saw I saw him.
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  Speaker 2: I never you know, I never got to uh say
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  Speaker 2: bye to him or or or see how things turned out.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if Salami sal still has that corner table
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  Speaker 2: with the plaque that says Salami Sal He's probably still
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  Speaker 2: sitting there, Leyaju.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man, he's got his own plaque.
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  Speaker 1: Damn dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had his own flag. He was like one
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: of those corners. He's like, you know, when you sit
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  Speaker 2: here at a restaurant. He looks left and he says, salsmooth.
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  Speaker 1: It's just that one corner that's always a little smoky, right.
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  Speaker 2: You go, you go? Who the fuck is sal Well? Everyone,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's a guy like Salami Sala out there as
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  Speaker 2: holding on by goddamn thread and all he has.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, the one thing he's got going. Well, Well,
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  Speaker 1: visit man, Well, if I ever visit New York, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta I gotta go visit. I definitely have to go
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  Speaker 1: go hang out and maybe maybe maybe Slammy soals still around,
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  Speaker 1: love to love to meet him someday. So well, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: oh god, could you imagine? Could you imagine? Incredible? Well, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for chatting more about Volumes and
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  Speaker 1: about the new album. Just super excited for it. I
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  Speaker 1: know it's a couple of weeks. I know it's a
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: couple you know, it's right before the holiday break for
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of folks. I know it's kind of an
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: interesting time to release music. But I'm super so for it,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: calling super super soaked for it. Uh yeah, we just
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  Speaker 1: can't wait. And so hopefully you guys will be playing
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  Speaker 1: a show sometime near us and we'll definitely be there
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  Speaker 1: if that happens.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are the best. Yeah, don't be strangers. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk soon. Definitely come out to a show.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be there. Caes