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The Week That Was - December 10 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And well a little bit later than usual, it is
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Speaker 1: time for the Week that was. And joining me in
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Speaker 1: the studio right now, the Colp's Marie Claire Boothby, Good.
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Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning, Katie, good listeners.
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Speaker 1: We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning.
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Speaker 3: To you, Matte, good morning.
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Speaker 1: And we've got Kezia Puric, the Independent member for Goder,
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Speaker 1: good morning to you, Good morning, Katie, Good morning bush people.
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Speaker 1: And we've got Eva Ala, the Minister for various things infrastructure, planning, logistics, power, water,
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Speaker 1: lots of things. Well, very good morning to all of you,
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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for being here an hour
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Speaker 1: later than usual. Lot of messages coming through this morning
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Speaker 1: saying where's the week that was? Be saying don't worry,
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Speaker 1: it's kicking off at ten o'clock. Everybody had to go
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Speaker 1: to school assemblies this morning, literally every one of us.
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Speaker 1: Skirrowhen you Gray, good stuff, good stuff. Well, I'm glad
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Speaker 1: that we all all made it. Now. There's been so
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Speaker 1: much happening all throughout the week, and I want to
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Speaker 1: go firstly to the announcement yesterday by the Chief Minister
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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner. They're all vaccinated arrivals to the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: from December twenty will be required to have evidence of
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Speaker 1: a negative PCR test before and after entering the Northern Territory,
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Speaker 1: regardless of where they've come from. In addition to this,
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Speaker 1: we know that the Chief Minister said there'd be no
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Speaker 1: distinction obviously between those Green and Red zones, but all
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Speaker 1: vaccinated arrivals would need to have evidence of a negative
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Speaker 1: PCR test seventy two hours before arriving into the Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory and they would need to spend those fourteen days
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Speaker 1: in a high vaccination zone. Now, I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: this was thought about a lot yesterday afternoon, but this
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Speaker 1: morning I've spoken to Daniel Rochford from Tourism Central Australia
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Speaker 1: and also heard from Hospitality NT and they've got serious
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Speaker 1: concerns about the impact that it's going to have on tourism,
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Speaker 1: but also on Territorians who don't live in our major
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Speaker 1: town center. Katie.
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Speaker 4: It's going to have an impact on straight, plain old
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Speaker 4: ordinary hard work everyone, Territorian families. I mean, I'll just
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Speaker 4: give you a classical and all trying to get my
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Speaker 4: head around it about you know, the new rules and
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Speaker 4: of course the goalposts and the rules keep changing, so
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Speaker 4: we're flat out trying to keep up and give advice
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Speaker 4: to families and people. But to me, it's a matter
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Speaker 4: of it's coming down to a matter of trust. I mean,
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Speaker 4: the Chief Minister said, well months ago, you know, look,
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Speaker 4: roll up the sleeves, get vaccinateds for the benefit of
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Speaker 4: the territory and benefit of everyone. Blah blah blah. And
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Speaker 4: you know it took a while and all the ministers
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Speaker 4: said the same. You know, I had the same message,
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Speaker 4: and that's good, and we did it, or most a
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Speaker 4: lot of people did it. And now we've done the
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Speaker 4: double vaccination. They said on the twenties the rules would change,
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Speaker 4: and now the rules have changed again, so we start
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Speaker 4: it's a matter of trust underneath all of this, that
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Speaker 4: how can we trust the Chief Minister in particular, because
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Speaker 4: he's the message person. Because you know, there's families in
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Speaker 4: Noulemboy in particular, and other those remote communities, cattle station people.
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Speaker 4: They're bringing their kids home from high school, boarding school
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Speaker 4: and universities. Now, the best I understand, and I love
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Speaker 4: to be corrected, they're not coming back into one of
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Speaker 4: those high vaccines. Catherine and Greater Darwin, so they're going
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Speaker 4: to have to go two weeks into quarantine. Now that
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Speaker 4: wasn't the rule. That wasn't what the Chief Minister told
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Speaker 4: is coming to the twenties.
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Speaker 1: Well, look and this is where it's getting confusing and
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Speaker 1: hopefully if it can shed some light for us, but
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Speaker 1: that's the real concern at this point. If you're not
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Speaker 1: in one of the major town centers I Darwin, Alice Springs, Catherine,
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Speaker 1: it's going to mean that you've then got to add
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Speaker 1: two weeks to your holiday plans because you're going to
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Speaker 1: need to stay in one of those places before you
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Speaker 1: can head back into a more regional placeant all going
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Speaker 1: to quarantine of course.
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Speaker 5: So I mean, this obviously is complex, and you know
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Speaker 5: COVID has been complex all the way through.
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Speaker 6: We are ahead of schedule.
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Speaker 5: You know, this was originally going to be a month
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Speaker 5: later when we opened the borders. But to be very clear,
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Speaker 5: we still have vulnerable territorians in our remote communities that
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Speaker 5: aren't that haven't reached that eighty percent mark. So we
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Speaker 5: know that you know that children will be able to
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Speaker 5: be vaccinated, Children from five to eleven years old will
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Speaker 5: be able to be vaccinated in January that hopefully will
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Speaker 5: see a large increase in those percentages in those remote communities.
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Speaker 5: So hopefully in that early early in the new year,
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Speaker 5: we'll be able to see some changes around some of
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Speaker 5: those directions. But what we've had to do, I mean,
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Speaker 5: for the majority of the Territorians that live in Darwin,
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Speaker 5: Alice Springs, and in Catherine, this is great.
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Speaker 6: News for them.
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Speaker 5: They will be able to be able to travel into state,
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Speaker 5: they'll be able to come home, all of those sorts
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Speaker 5: of things. But it has not changed. We still have
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Speaker 5: vulnerable territorians that we have to be careful about. And
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Speaker 5: so that is the bottom line.
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Speaker 1: When I heard the announcement yesterday, I thought the same.
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Speaker 1: I thought, this is really good news. This means that
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Speaker 1: I'll be able to travel away at Christmas time and
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Speaker 1: be able to come back. Just got to have those
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Speaker 1: three tests. I can handle that, the family can handle that.
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Speaker 1: But then after I'd had a few conversations yesterday afternoon,
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Speaker 1: I thought, goodness me, what's this going to mean for
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Speaker 1: our tourism operators, etc. Or other? Even for everyday territorians
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Speaker 1: wanting to you know, to travel let's say, to Ularu,
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Speaker 1: or travel, you know, travel around the place.
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Speaker 4: The truth about you which they're probably going to Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What impact is it going to have if they if
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Speaker 1: they travel into station, you know, and then come back
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Speaker 1: and they want to go anywhere else, Like I suppose,
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Speaker 1: there's just a lot of questions at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And we've seen the Chief Minister who is focusing on
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Speaker 2: Darwin and they're forgetting about those in the regional remote areas.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Chief Minister has had more than twelve
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Speaker 2: months to manage the territory's vaccine roll at nearly two years.
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Speaker 2: Thank you're coming on two years that we've been living
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Speaker 2: with COVID now and then just two weeks at from Christmas,
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Speaker 2: we see these new regimes in place, basically admitting that
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Speaker 2: he's punishing people in low VAXX areas, but he can't
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Speaker 2: even tell us what those rates are in those areas,
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Speaker 2: and like what is he doing about that to make
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Speaker 2: sure they are increased. He's punishing for people who are
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Speaker 2: now vaxed and who are not vaxed yet.
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Speaker 4: That's why I say it's a matter of trust. We
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Speaker 4: trusted him, the territory trusted him when he said get vaccinated.
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Speaker 4: This is going to be the weight's going forward and
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Speaker 4: accept what E is saying that, you know, circumstances do change.
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Speaker 4: It is a bit of a moving feast, this whole
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Speaker 4: virus thing and scenario, but it how can we trust
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Speaker 4: him going forward if he says you're going to be
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Speaker 4: able to go into state to a red zone to
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Speaker 4: come home and you know, do the chest and even
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Speaker 4: Thill has no issue with that. But I go back
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Speaker 4: to the school students are the borders and the UNI
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Speaker 4: students returning home? You know, some of these kids don't
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Speaker 4: come home twice four times a year. They come home
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Speaker 4: PEPs once a year, and they're going to have to
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Speaker 4: be isolated from their family for two weeks. That's their expense.
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Speaker 1: Though it's looking smooll. Teachers, you're talking police, you're talking
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Speaker 1: everybody who travels.
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Speaker 7: A Christmas I know that your health workers are already
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Speaker 7: talking about this, and I'm sure teachers are as well.
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Speaker 7: I mean a lot of those teachers, police, health workers
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Speaker 7: who work remote use that Christmas holiday period to go
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Speaker 7: back home, whether wherever that be.
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Speaker 3: And now they're going to have to come back here.
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Speaker 7: But they're going to have to come back here two
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Speaker 7: weeks before the school team starts, presumably if they want
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Speaker 7: to start on day one. Now, if a teacher comes
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Speaker 7: back and they don't get back from their holidays back
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Speaker 7: to Darwin from their interstate holiday until say the end
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Speaker 7: of January, they're not going to be able to start
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Speaker 7: teaching until the middle of February.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the bottom line is, and that's what we
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Speaker 5: let's face it. The bottom line is, we cannot have
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Speaker 5: teachers or health workers or police or whoever it is,
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Speaker 5: taking COVID if they've come from Melbourne, if they've come
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Speaker 5: from Sydney, wherever it is, we can't have them taking
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Speaker 5: COVID into a remote community. We have seen the amount
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Speaker 5: of resources that have had to go into Robinson River
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Speaker 5: and Binjari to contain to contain COVID, and they've done
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Speaker 5: exceptionally well, all our frontline workers. So, Murray Claire, when
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Speaker 5: you talk about some of the things that you've just mentioned,
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Speaker 5: you're obviously ignoring that we have a very different population
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Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory. You cannot just paint the whole
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Speaker 5: territory with one brush and have a cookie cutter model
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Speaker 5: about that. We have remote communities and we all understand
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Speaker 5: that we have to make sure that those territorians are
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Speaker 5: safe as well. The impact on every body. Then if
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Speaker 5: we open up around that is huge.
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Speaker 2: The chief had more than twelve months to do this
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Speaker 2: and he has failed.
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Speaker 3: Territorian.
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Speaker 6: Can I ask any correct, any correct?
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Speaker 1: Is it going to be an opportunity? I mean, let's
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Speaker 1: just taking a step back for the tourism operators for example,
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Speaker 1: is there going to be an opportunity maybe for tourism
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Speaker 1: to sit down with the government, Because ultimately, what it's
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Speaker 1: going to mean for our tourism sector over the Christmas
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Speaker 1: break is that they are not going to be able
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Speaker 1: to have anybody traveled to the territory unless you're only
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Speaker 1: planning on spending that for to you know, like spending
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Speaker 1: your time in Darwin, spending your time in Alice Springs,
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Speaker 1: or spending your time in Catherine. You're not even going
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Speaker 1: to be able to go to Kakadoo or Nolan Boy
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Speaker 1: or what it's done.
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Speaker 7: Is cut off those few markets that didn't exist because
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Speaker 7: what did what until yesterday? If you're coming from Queensland, say,
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Speaker 7: then you could go to Kakadu, you could go to Ularu.
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Speaker 3: If you're coming from Wa, you can get back to Wa.
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Speaker 7: But you could come and go if you're coming from
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Speaker 7: from tazzy. But now if you're coming from any of
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Speaker 7: those places, you're not going to be able to leave Darwin,
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Speaker 7: Catherine or our springs pay trouble.
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Speaker 5: But we're also just forgetting that we actually otherwise could
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Speaker 5: have total lockdowns. We could go back to that. That's
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Speaker 5: that's what we've seen. We've seen Victorians in lockdown for
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Speaker 5: hundreds of days.
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Speaker 7: So let me know, But why can't we have kept
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Speaker 7: the zones in place so that if you're coming from
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Speaker 7: a state where there's little COVID, you could still travel
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Speaker 7: around like you can at the moment, come the twentieth
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Speaker 7: of December, that rule changes and you can't do it.
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Speaker 7: And that's the that's the last little life lifeline and territory.
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Speaker 2: There's no clarity.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to say those well, like I know
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Speaker 1: for a lot of your nurses, your teachers, your police
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Speaker 1: officers that live in that No, but also that live
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Speaker 1: in those remote communities like I know, for example, I'm
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Speaker 1: happy to say my mum works and lives in one
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Speaker 1: of those communities. She's triple vaxed. You know, she's actually
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Speaker 1: had three vaccines now, so she's not going to be
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Speaker 1: able to go away and see your children at Christmas
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Speaker 1: time because she's actually not going to be able to
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Speaker 1: get back. That's that's that's I spose the difficult part.
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Speaker 1: And I understand either. I certainly understand what you're saying
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Speaker 1: that we do need to make sure that we are
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Speaker 1: keeping vulnerable territory and safe. I get that. But I
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Speaker 1: suppose the difficulty now that a lot of people will
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Speaker 1: be thinking to themselves is oh, my goodness. You know,
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Speaker 1: I went vaccinated and I went and.
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Speaker 4: Right thing, I don't keep harping on when it comes
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Speaker 4: to a matter of trust, and we would You know,
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Speaker 4: there's a few people out there and there out the
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Speaker 4: front of your radio station who don't believe in vaccinations,
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Speaker 4: and that's that's their core and their business.
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Speaker 1: But the bulk of.
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Speaker 4: Territories are quite comfortable getting vaccinated and getting boosters because
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Speaker 4: the booster is now available to people if they want it.
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Speaker 4: But it comes back to I keep saying, it comes
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Speaker 4: back to a matter of trust, and it comes back
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Speaker 4: to a matter of there's no as you something you
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Speaker 4: do with cohesion or clarity and the lack of consultation.
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Speaker 1: I get it.
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Speaker 4: As I said, it's a moving feast and you've got
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Speaker 4: to move quickly. But if government can't move quickly and
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Speaker 4: talk to the major industry groups, what the bloody hell
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Speaker 4: are they doing.
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Speaker 2: Their tourism and hospitality industry heard about this was yesterday
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Speaker 2: in the press conference, and I'm pretty sure the department
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Speaker 2: staff that was the first time too, because their website
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Speaker 2: wasn't updated for hours and hours later.
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Speaker 5: So let's be get back to the basics. This is
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Speaker 5: not just arbitrary decisions that are made by the Chief Minister.
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Speaker 5: This is based on Dougherty modeling. It is based on
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Speaker 5: the directions of the Chow. So you know, everybody in
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Speaker 5: this room might think that they're experts. Everybody's got ideas,
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Speaker 5: everybody's got opinions about it, but it is based on
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Speaker 5: dougherity model, and that says that you have to get
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Speaker 5: to that eighty percent level in your remote communities. We
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Speaker 5: haven't got there. I gave that explanation that when we
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Speaker 5: see vaccinations from over five year olds, we'll see hopefully
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Speaker 5: larger numbers in our remote community and we'll get to
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Speaker 5: those numbers. Hopefully we can do that early in the
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Speaker 5: new year, and then those communities will be at that
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Speaker 5: those levels.
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Speaker 3: Some of the.
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Speaker 1: Canada different in some of those communities are at ninety
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Speaker 1: percent vaccination rate. For example, why then are they you know,
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Speaker 1: why are they allowed to travel around or why can't
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Speaker 1: people travel into those those communities if they are at
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Speaker 1: that high VACS rate.
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Speaker 5: Well, again, as I said, sometimes it is that they're
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Speaker 5: having you're having to travel through communities. For example, if
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Speaker 5: you're traveling to put Punya, you might have to go
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Speaker 5: through other communities that aren't So it is about making
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Speaker 5: sure that our vulnerable territory ends are safe. And these,
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Speaker 5: as I said, these rules do provide clarity around that.
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Speaker 5: And as I said, it is meetings and it's a
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Speaker 5: lack of understanding Mari Clair of how these meetings work.
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Speaker 5: But you have a Sempse meeting and soon and in
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Speaker 5: that meeting is when those decisions are made. So you
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Speaker 5: have the Commission of the Police, you have the cho there,
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Speaker 5: you have the Chief Minister, you have the Health Minister,
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Speaker 5: you have the Police minister. Those decisions are literally made
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Speaker 5: in those meetings. They're not made earlier, they're made in
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Speaker 5: those meetings. So soon as the Chief Minister comes out
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Speaker 5: from those meetings, he does a media event. Yes, that's
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Speaker 5: the first that all the rest of the territory knows.
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Speaker 5: That's that's how that governance works. As soon as those
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Speaker 5: those conversations are had, those meet those decisions are made,
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Speaker 5: conversations that then had with the industry, and that's when.
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Speaker 6: Also the public information and put it up on.
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Speaker 1: Website, shutting down the tourism industry over the Christmas break,
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Speaker 1: you know from what like what they've said to me
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Speaker 1: this morning, it's going to be it's going to devastated
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Speaker 1: dead zone.
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Speaker 4: It is just I mean, apart from tourism, which is
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Speaker 4: obviously a bit interested in the Northern territory, this is
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Speaker 4: also the changing rules by the Chief Minister and those
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Speaker 4: who are giving him the information. It's also affecting the
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Speaker 4: transportation of cattle now truck I can't speak specifically for
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Speaker 4: general transport, but I do know with cattle that's coming
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Speaker 4: in and out of the territory across to w and
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Speaker 4: across the Queenstand, they're being given the complete run around.
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Speaker 4: And they've got bloody live cattle on these trucks trying
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Speaker 4: to get them into Darwin. And I can't give you
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Speaker 4: specifics of the problems, but it's they've been parked up
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Speaker 4: until they get through all the rules and the changes
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Speaker 4: from the anti government. Now again it keeps changing. So
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Speaker 4: these transport companies are moving the cattle and they get
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Speaker 4: told one thing, they get to the border and they
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Speaker 4: told another thing.
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Speaker 5: Well, Kezier, I worked very closely with the cattle industry
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Speaker 5: of around the transport industry around that and issues that there. Well,
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Speaker 5: like anything, there are occasionally issues, but they are being
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Speaker 5: addressed immediately and we are working, particularly with WA around those.
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Speaker 5: So I can tell you we are across any of
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Speaker 5: those issues and we triage them literally immediately.
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Speaker 6: Around that.
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Speaker 1: A very important question from one of our listeners, and
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Speaker 1: they are asking who pays for the PCR tests. Family
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Speaker 1: traveling to Adelaide have been told it's out of their pocket.
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Speaker 1: Is that true?
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Speaker 7: Matt was asked yesterday and he said the government was
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Speaker 7: paying for the.
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Speaker 1: PCIs okay, So if you do travel away, the government
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Speaker 1: will be paying for the PCR.
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Speaker 3: That's what he said yesterday.
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Speaker 7: And he said also said yesterday read the question you're
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Speaker 7: asking before about the communities if they have the high
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Speaker 7: VAX rates. He said that the reason they can't do
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Speaker 7: that is because there are so many children who live
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Speaker 7: in the communities and because five to eleven year olds
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Speaker 7: can't get vaccinated even if the community is over six
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Speaker 7: seeing vassrat at the moment, is that eighty five percent?
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Speaker 7: When you factor in the fact that half of the
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Speaker 7: community might be aged under that, then they can't.
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Speaker 1: Is anybody worried about the impact I'm assuming people are,
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Speaker 1: But the impact that that's actually going to have on
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Speaker 1: some of our you know, our teaching staff, some of
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Speaker 1: our nurses, etc. Who may decide, do you know what,
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Speaker 1: it's too difficult. I'm not going back.
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Speaker 5: Obviously, obviously that work is being done by those agencies,
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Speaker 5: but you know, I would in all my years, and
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Speaker 5: I worked in education for thirty odd years, I think
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Speaker 5: the teachers that work in remote communities, and I'll only
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Speaker 5: talk about teachers, absolutely are compassionate and caring and have
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Speaker 5: a complete understanding of the children that they work with.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, every year there is.
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Speaker 5: A turnover of teachers, and we can talk more about
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Speaker 5: that later, but I think those teachers would have the
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Speaker 5: young children's health front and center in any decision they make.
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Speaker 7: I think that's absolutely the case. But also a lot
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Speaker 7: of them are young people from into state. I spoke
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Speaker 7: to Jarvis Ryan a couple of months ago before this
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Speaker 7: has been announced and I'm going to be worth getting
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Speaker 7: his view again. But he was saying back in September
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Speaker 7: October there were concerns about teachers not coming back because
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Speaker 7: they were concerned they were going to have to quarantine.
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Speaker 7: Now I think there'll be a concern now if there's
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Speaker 7: a teacher who works in a remote community who's thinking, Okay,
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Speaker 7: I'm going to go back to Queensland or New South
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Speaker 7: Wales or Victoria for the next six weeks and I'll
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Speaker 7: come back at the end of January and go back
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Speaker 7: and remote teacher. They can't do that anymore. They've got
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Speaker 7: to come back to Darwin and stay in DARHWN for
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Speaker 7: two weeks.
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Speaker 1: Well. And the authority of it is that they've been
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Speaker 1: doing it for the last two years. Like in a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases, they've been doing it for the last
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Speaker 1: couple of years. So for some of those staff that
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Speaker 1: have actually been able to travel, if they were going
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Speaker 1: into locations where you know, where it was safe to
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Speaker 1: travel to where there wasn't you know, it wasn't COVID,
16:48
Speaker 1: they're double vacks, they've actually been able to travel fairly
16:51
Speaker 1: freely up until this point.
16:53
Speaker 5: I mean, I just want to reiterate Katie. Nobody wants
16:56
Speaker 5: this to happen. We would all love to go back
16:58
Speaker 5: to the days of pre CO, but this is the
17:01
Speaker 5: reality and we have, as we know, people in the
17:04
Speaker 5: territory that have underlying health issues. We have people in
17:07
Speaker 5: the territory which where we or communities where we haven't
17:10
Speaker 5: got those vaccination rates up. We have to do this
17:14
Speaker 5: to make sure, as I said, that our hospital system
17:17
Speaker 5: that we don't have death. This is the work and
17:19
Speaker 5: this is why, you know, people can talk about the
17:22
Speaker 5: Chief Minister say disparaging comments, but the Chief Minister has
17:25
Speaker 5: done a magnificent job making sure that territorians are safe.
17:29
Speaker 5: We've had only one death. Every day I get a
17:32
Speaker 5: newsflash that says there's another ten deaths in Victoria. Eight deaths.
17:37
Speaker 5: You know, every day there's somebody's mother, there's somebody's grandmother.
17:40
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want my mother, who's ninety two to get COVID,
17:43
Speaker 5: So I think you can be disparaging about it. The
17:46
Speaker 5: Chief Minister has done a fantastic job and he'll continue
17:50
Speaker 5: to do that, and he'll continue to take advice from
17:52
Speaker 5: the Chow as well as the Commission of Police and
17:55
Speaker 5: make those decisions for all territories.
17:57
Speaker 7: Quick update on something I said before, Katief. That's all right,
18:00
Speaker 7: So the Chief Minister was definitely asked about who pays
18:02
Speaker 7: for the PCR tests yesterday and he definitely said the
18:04
Speaker 7: government would pay.
18:06
Speaker 3: However, I have just been sent this, and I've been
18:09
Speaker 3: sent something to if you do.
18:11
Speaker 7: Fill out the on the website and you say basically
18:15
Speaker 7: that you don't have symptoms and you're just arriving from interstate,
18:19
Speaker 7: it says that it brings up a message that says
18:22
Speaker 7: you do not meet the criteria for testing.
18:24
Speaker 3: Please see your health provider if you.
18:26
Speaker 7: Are unwell, or visit this page for private testing clinics PUMA,
18:29
Speaker 7: which you have to pay for. So I presume that
18:32
Speaker 7: just means the website hasn't been updated.
18:35
Speaker 1: Well. We certainly had calls about this even yesterday prior
18:38
Speaker 1: to the announcement with people having difficulty being able to
18:41
Speaker 1: book in for PCR testing. So I think unless those
18:44
Speaker 1: resources are well and truly amped up, we are going
18:47
Speaker 1: to run into some issues here. Katie.
18:49
Speaker 4: This is from one of my constituents. I tried to
18:51
Speaker 4: book a PCR test at Partison super Clinic and it
18:53
Speaker 4: is fifty dollars per person family for is three six
18:56
Speaker 4: hundred bucks. Not sure where the free places are to
18:59
Speaker 4: get tests. Oh, I don't know Muchie and the chief
19:02
Speaker 4: Michie says it's free, then that better go out quite well.
19:05
Speaker 1: And we actually caught up with Robin from the super
19:08
Speaker 1: clinic yesterday and she'd explain some things to us. I
19:11
Speaker 1: don't think that I think that you've got to go
19:14
Speaker 1: through the actual clinics that a government funded as in
19:17
Speaker 1: Northern Territory government funded, is my understanding, like Marara, and
19:21
Speaker 1: also the I can't remember where the other one is,
19:24
Speaker 1: but I think that that was the case if you
19:26
Speaker 1: want the free, free one and without a certificate, whereas
19:32
Speaker 1: if you're after just if you're after the PCR test
19:35
Speaker 1: and a text message, I believe that it's different, but
19:37
Speaker 1: I will seek some clarity on that either way. I
19:39
Speaker 1: think that it's safe to say that there's a lot
19:41
Speaker 1: of confusion this morning as the details sort of start
19:44
Speaker 1: to flow through, a lot of people wondering exactly what
19:47
Speaker 1: it means for them. We're going to take a very
19:48
Speaker 1: short break though. You are listening to Mix one O
19:51
Speaker 1: four point nine and a later edition of the Week
19:54
Speaker 1: that was and joining me in the studio for the
19:56
Speaker 1: week that was if you've just joined us, we have
19:58
Speaker 1: got Murray, Claire Boothby, Matt k Ingham, Kezierpuric, and Eva Laula.
20:02
Speaker 1: Now we know that Catherine. Well, it was good news
20:05
Speaker 1: for Catherine earlier in the week in the sense that
20:07
Speaker 1: they came out of the lockout. But then we learned
20:10
Speaker 1: sort of late yesterday that the situation there has changed
20:13
Speaker 1: to some degree due to the occurrence of the community
20:17
Speaker 1: transmission of COVID nineteen and those positive wastewater results in
20:21
Speaker 1: Katherine East. They've got these targeted testing stations have been
20:24
Speaker 1: established and a number of streets in Katherine are now
20:27
Speaker 1: locked down, so Malaluka Road, Hudsmith Place from Japani Court
20:31
Speaker 1: and Akasha Drive. We had the Mayor of Catherine, Liz Clark,
20:35
Speaker 1: on the show just a short time ago, and she
20:37
Speaker 1: said that there are five new cases. I'm expecting that
20:41
Speaker 1: the Chief Minister will probably be out a little bit
20:43
Speaker 1: later with a press conference and updated numbers in detail. Good.
20:48
Speaker 3: The Health Minister's doing a presser at eleven.
20:51
Speaker 1: Fifteen, Okay, so we'll get some further detail there. But yeah,
20:55
Speaker 1: from what I'm being told, I got a message from
20:57
Speaker 1: Joe Hersey the local member just a short time again
21:00
Speaker 1: and she said, quite a bit of confusion today in
21:04
Speaker 1: Catherine around those streets being locked down. You know, I guess,
21:09
Speaker 1: I guess this is part of trying to contain things.
21:13
Speaker 2: One of the questions I'd like to ask the Chief Minister,
21:16
Speaker 2: but of course with Eva here, will I'll ask Eva?
21:18
Speaker 2: Is so Catherine now has a vax rate of eighty percent,
21:21
Speaker 2: which is what the goal was. Does that mean because
21:24
Speaker 2: there are a few streets that are locked down now
21:27
Speaker 2: even though they do have the eighty percent backs rates?
21:29
Speaker 2: Will that mean that potentially there are other suburbs and
21:32
Speaker 2: other areas of the territory that may get locked down
21:34
Speaker 2: as well.
21:34
Speaker 1: Well.
21:35
Speaker 5: There could be going forward, but this is just a
21:37
Speaker 5: way to get that testing. So the wastewater continues to
21:40
Speaker 5: be concerned in Catherine, and you know, they are able
21:43
Speaker 5: to target that it's in that Bisentennial area, that Catherine
21:46
Speaker 5: East area, So instead of having impacting the whole town,
21:49
Speaker 5: it's been able to narrow down and be more focused
21:52
Speaker 5: around a group of streets where there is.
21:56
Speaker 6: Low vaccination rates.
21:57
Speaker 5: And so it's about trying to pinpoint because there's obviously
22:00
Speaker 5: some people there that may not be getting the messaging,
22:04
Speaker 5: may may not have been obviously not vaccinated or haven't
22:08
Speaker 5: had any tests. So it's a way of microscopically, I guess,
22:12
Speaker 5: zooming in and targeting one area so the rest of
22:15
Speaker 5: that community then isn't impacted.
22:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have bonded that because I thought, you know,
22:19
Speaker 1: I know that the government and authorities have been out
22:22
Speaker 1: day in and day out saying make sure you go
22:24
Speaker 1: and get tested, make sure that you know that you're
22:26
Speaker 1: getting vaccinated, and then to see those streets locked down,
22:29
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, there's clearly some people who've either chosen
22:32
Speaker 1: not to go and get tested, or they're just not
22:34
Speaker 1: able to locate these cases.
22:37
Speaker 5: Well, English is a second language for a large number
22:39
Speaker 5: of people in the Northern Territory. Thirty eight percent of
22:42
Speaker 5: people are Indigenous in the Northern Territory. So obviously there's
22:45
Speaker 5: times where as we all know when we've just been
22:48
Speaker 5: discussing that, not everybody listens to the Chief Minister's media events,
22:52
Speaker 5: not everybody buys the INNT news, not everybody listens to
22:55
Speaker 5: Channel nine years.
22:56
Speaker 1: So sometimes hopefully.
23:02
Speaker 5: Everybody's listening to mix and are getting the message, but
23:06
Speaker 5: we are very much aware of that. It is difficult
23:08
Speaker 5: to communicate with every single Territorian at one time to
23:12
Speaker 5: get that message out.
23:13
Speaker 1: Now, the next step, obviously in what is going on
23:16
Speaker 1: right around Australia, is that the vaccine has now been
23:18
Speaker 1: approved for those aged between five and eleven. So the
23:21
Speaker 1: nationwide roll out of COVID nineteen vaccines to children age
23:25
Speaker 1: between five and eleven is set to begin. I think
23:27
Speaker 1: it's January tenth next year, after the Vaccine Advisory Group
23:31
Speaker 1: of TAGI provided its recommendations, so more than two million
23:34
Speaker 1: children will become eligible for that vaccine, further extending vaccine
23:39
Speaker 1: coverage across the Australian population. Do we not luck is
23:43
Speaker 1: this going to be mandatory EVA or is it going
23:45
Speaker 1: to be something that you know that people have the
23:47
Speaker 1: choice to do.
23:49
Speaker 5: Oh well, Katie, that's probably the big question. But I
23:52
Speaker 5: would hope parents. Of course, parents will have that choice
23:55
Speaker 5: with their children around that. I mean, five year olds
23:58
Speaker 5: can't necessarily make decisions themselves, so it'll be something that
24:01
Speaker 5: parents will be encouraged to do. And again it's up
24:05
Speaker 5: to parents have those conversations and work out what they
24:08
Speaker 5: want for their children. But if it is about the
24:10
Speaker 5: health of their children, I've got two grandchildren. I've got
24:13
Speaker 5: one that's just just over five years old. I wouldn't
24:16
Speaker 5: want him to get COVID, and I'm hoping that a
24:19
Speaker 5: vaccination would be something that his parents will decide. Obviously,
24:23
Speaker 5: I hope I have some influence on that. But to me,
24:26
Speaker 5: the thing that concerns me is the long COVID and
24:28
Speaker 5: we've seen that elsewhere around the world. And I would
24:33
Speaker 5: hope one of my grandchildren becomes a great football player
24:36
Speaker 5: or a hockey player, or a sports star of some
24:39
Speaker 5: sort into their lives. And you know, if you have
24:41
Speaker 5: a lung condition that obviously is going to impact that
24:44
Speaker 5: you won't be able to play high level sport, you
24:47
Speaker 5: won't be able to necessarily be represent the territory or whatever.
24:50
Speaker 5: So I'm hoping that my grandchildren and their parents will
24:54
Speaker 5: decide that they should get vaccinated. And it is about
24:58
Speaker 5: not just the here and now, it is those impacts
25:00
Speaker 5: long term.
25:01
Speaker 1: Mattin Marie Claire, how you I know you both have
25:03
Speaker 1: got young children, as do I. How are you guys
25:05
Speaker 1: feeling about all of the vaccine rollout stuff for kids?
25:08
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got three who are in that, all in
25:11
Speaker 7: that five to eleven age group, and come January tenth.
25:14
Speaker 3: Will be I'll be right.
25:17
Speaker 1: I think the first thing that I will be doing
25:19
Speaker 1: is speaking to people who work in the medical field
25:22
Speaker 1: that I trust, So I know, I'll be speaking to
25:24
Speaker 1: my mother who's a nurse. I'll see whether I can
25:27
Speaker 1: get the vaccine lead Beavini Patel on the show, and also,
25:30
Speaker 1: you know, maybe see if I can get somebody else
25:33
Speaker 1: who works in that area on the show to have
25:35
Speaker 1: a talk to all the parents out there listening as well,
25:37
Speaker 1: just in case they do have concerns.
25:38
Speaker 2: And there are parents and obviously people who work with
25:41
Speaker 2: children that will be looking forward to this coming out,
25:44
Speaker 2: and I think, come, what this does is give parents
25:46
Speaker 2: a choice and the options. But what really needs to
25:49
Speaker 2: be clear is the information that's available so that we
25:52
Speaker 2: don't get all those mixed messages and all the myths
25:54
Speaker 2: that go on. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to
25:56
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of those informational videos that can go
25:59
Speaker 2: out to parents that they can make those choices and.
26:02
Speaker 4: Use all the relevant avenues, whether it be through the
26:04
Speaker 4: school system, whether it be through youth groups, you know,
26:06
Speaker 4: youth round tables with local government, you know, all the
26:09
Speaker 4: local members to get the message out to people. And
26:13
Speaker 4: also fact sheets that are companies. For example, I'm thinking,
26:16
Speaker 4: if it's mandated for adults to have vaccination to be
26:20
Speaker 4: at a workplace, then if their child has stayed twelve
26:23
Speaker 4: and they help it it's a private industry of course,
26:26
Speaker 4: if they help it the workplace as well, you know
26:29
Speaker 4: on weekends, whatever is that child then going to have
26:32
Speaker 4: to have a mandated vaccination Because I'm just thinking.
26:35
Speaker 1: That's all.
26:35
Speaker 4: I just want to get that kind of clap that
26:39
Speaker 4: I think.
26:39
Speaker 7: I mean, I could be misquoting in but I think
26:41
Speaker 7: Gunner has said that there won't be mandatory vaccination for
26:45
Speaker 7: children and that he's basically Lyne has been He's not
26:49
Speaker 7: going to punish children for the decisions of their parents.
26:52
Speaker 1: Now, speaking of the vaccine and that vaccine mandate, we
26:56
Speaker 1: know that the Northern Territories vaccine mandate is facing this
26:59
Speaker 1: league challenge in the Supreme Court a group of businesses
27:03
Speaker 1: arguing that the rule is draconian and racist. Matt did
27:06
Speaker 1: you go to the court? I saw you, I saw you.
27:12
Speaker 7: And I think Mario from United Businesses and NT deserves
27:15
Speaker 7: some credit for the way he conducted himself yesterday. Very
27:18
Speaker 7: well spoken, he had a point to make, and he
27:21
Speaker 7: made his point, Car made it well.
27:24
Speaker 3: He was very respectful.
27:25
Speaker 7: You know, there will be people who disagree with his position,
27:28
Speaker 7: I'm sure, but he went about it the right way.
27:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've interviewed him on air before and I would
27:33
Speaker 1: say the same thing. He was very respectful about the
27:35
Speaker 1: way that he put his points forward. And I think that,
27:38
Speaker 1: you know, if more people were respectful in the way
27:40
Speaker 1: that they put their points forward, it would be you know, yes,
27:43
Speaker 1: you listen a little bit.
27:44
Speaker 4: More, including the people parked outside your station, if they
27:46
Speaker 4: weren't so abusive and aggressive, then you know, we might
27:49
Speaker 4: get to understand their viewpoint, whatever it may be. But
27:51
Speaker 4: I don't know how they filed their papers in the
27:54
Speaker 4: Supreme Court, but I have the sort of this nagging doubt,
27:57
Speaker 4: and I've spoken to obviously lots of people and people
27:59
Speaker 4: in the sort of the lead world. The chose directives
28:02
Speaker 4: come from a piece of legislation, clearly, and it's about health.
28:06
Speaker 4: But mandating people in the workplace is an employment matter,
28:10
Speaker 4: and I think there's a bit of a gray area there.
28:12
Speaker 4: And I think whatever comes out in this court case
28:16
Speaker 4: or Supreme Court challenge, whatever you call it, that might
28:19
Speaker 4: be one of the things that will get teased out
28:22
Speaker 4: because mandating people to have a vaccination to be able
28:25
Speaker 4: to work is specific. I know it's a health issue
28:27
Speaker 4: as well, clearly, but it's an employment issue. So I
28:30
Speaker 4: think there's some gray areas there. And I know there's
28:32
Speaker 4: been court challenges around the country, like there was a
28:34
Speaker 4: famous one for BHP down in the coal Mice, but
28:37
Speaker 4: the judge was very clear about that it was specific
28:39
Speaker 4: to that project and that business that coming because they
28:42
Speaker 4: did not consult with the employees. So we can't take
28:45
Speaker 4: heart that it's going to go across the country because
28:46
Speaker 4: fair Work said other things. But I think up here
28:49
Speaker 4: that's what presumably lawyers do. They get underneath the legislation
28:53
Speaker 4: and how it applies, and as we know us members here,
28:56
Speaker 4: they can even go back to the reading speeches of
28:59
Speaker 4: the ministers to see the intent of the legislation and
29:02
Speaker 4: whether that piece of legislation, the Public Health Environmental Act,
29:05
Speaker 4: applies to workplaces.
29:06
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting case either way.
29:09
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think there's any surprise that that
29:12
Speaker 5: matter has gone to court, and I think we would
29:15
Speaker 5: all expect that.
29:16
Speaker 6: So let's you know, that's.
29:18
Speaker 5: And governments around any decisions also get legal Advice.
29:20
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a very short break. It
29:22
Speaker 1: is just twenty three minutes away from eleven o'clock. You
29:25
Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine. It
29:27
Speaker 1: is the week that was. It is twenty minutes away
29:30
Speaker 1: from eleven o'clock and you are listening to the Week
29:32
Speaker 1: that was. Eva Laula kezy Epuric, Matt Cunningham and Marie
29:35
Speaker 1: Clai Boothby in the studio with me this morning. Now,
29:38
Speaker 1: throughout the week we did read a report by Matt
29:41
Speaker 1: Cunningham that an administrative bungle meant that the Northern Territory
29:45
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be able to appoint a permanent Treaty
29:48
Speaker 1: Commissioner to replace Mick Dodson before the Commission hands down
29:52
Speaker 1: its final report next year. Now I do know that
29:55
Speaker 1: there has been an acting Treaty Commissioner. Is that the
29:59
Speaker 1: right the right way of referring has been appointed. But Matt,
30:03
Speaker 1: this is something that you certainly covered off on throughout
30:05
Speaker 1: the week.
30:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
30:07
Speaker 7: So the problem was that when they wrote the legislation, Katie,
30:11
Speaker 7: it's specific to Mick Dodson, It actually has his name
30:13
Speaker 7: in the legislation. City is that I can't remember his
30:16
Speaker 7: middle name, Dodson, you know, will be the Treaty Commissioner
30:19
Speaker 7: until March three, twenty twenty two. So when he was
30:22
Speaker 7: forced to resign, that meant that they couldn't actually appoint
30:26
Speaker 7: a permanent replacement. And they've only just and I've still
30:29
Speaker 7: got some questions about whether they've breached the Act in
30:32
Speaker 7: the appointing of the acting Commissioner. So he they've obviously
30:37
Speaker 7: realized because the Act also says that that office can't
30:40
Speaker 7: be vacant for more than six months. Now, Ursula, who's
30:42
Speaker 7: the deputy, she can't be the Treaty Commissioner because she's
30:45
Speaker 7: been affiliated with the political party in the past five years,
30:48
Speaker 7: which also deems you ineligible to be the Treaty Commissioner.
30:51
Speaker 3: So then I think.
30:52
Speaker 7: They've realized, oh, we've got to get at someone in
30:54
Speaker 7: this office, otherwise we're going to be breaching our own Act.
30:57
Speaker 7: So last minute, they've done a virtual swearing in of
31:00
Speaker 7: Tony McAvoy, and you know, he sounds, for all intents
31:04
Speaker 7: and purposes like he's a really good choice.
31:06
Speaker 3: But they've they've.
31:06
Speaker 7: Sworn him in via zoom right. They didn't invite the
31:10
Speaker 7: media or anyone. They just did a quick swearing in
31:12
Speaker 7: via zoom on Wednesday morning. And then when I started
31:17
Speaker 7: asking questions, well, you know, when does he start? And
31:19
Speaker 7: then then they said, he starts on the first of January. Well,
31:21
Speaker 7: if he starts on the first of January, then you've
31:24
Speaker 7: you've gone past your six.
31:25
Speaker 1: Months, right.
31:26
Speaker 7: But we swore him in before the deadline was the
31:29
Speaker 7: eleventh of December. They had to have someone by the
31:32
Speaker 7: by the eleventh of December, that's what they racked him
31:34
Speaker 7: in by the ape.
31:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:35
Speaker 7: And then but he's not actually starting until the first
31:39
Speaker 7: and so I said, well, when's he's starting to get paid,
31:41
Speaker 7: And then they said, well, he's starting to get paid
31:42
Speaker 7: on the first And now now his contract goes until
31:45
Speaker 7: the end of June. But then he said in a
31:47
Speaker 7: radio interview on the ABC, he said he was going
31:49
Speaker 7: to come up here until the third of March, and
31:53
Speaker 7: then he's going to be flying fly out.
31:55
Speaker 4: That's because he's got another job somewhere else, I presume.
31:58
Speaker 7: But I the question, is he the full time Treaty
32:01
Speaker 7: commissioner because he's not even going to be here.
32:04
Speaker 1: Question. Guy, I know where Scheler Raymond, and I know
32:06
Speaker 1: she's a good operator. I've worked with her, the deputy
32:08
Speaker 1: Treaty commissioner. I know she's a very good operator, but
32:10
Speaker 1: it makes you, you know, like it makes you go,
32:12
Speaker 1: all right, well, she and whoever else is in that
32:14
Speaker 1: office is obviously doing all of that work. I get
32:18
Speaker 1: that we need an actual commissioner, an actual treaty commissioner,
32:21
Speaker 1: but it does make you wonder just how much the
32:24
Speaker 1: actual treaty commissioner is doing, or does if the office
32:28
Speaker 1: is still able to operate without that person in there.
32:30
Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's take it back a bit, and
32:34
Speaker 4: I think this legislation passed we think about two years ago,
32:37
Speaker 4: and it sounded pretty normal. I can't wait. I don't
32:39
Speaker 4: know what the CLP thought about it. But now that
32:42
Speaker 4: we know that there's a name in a piece of legislation,
32:44
Speaker 4: that is the most extraordinary thing ever. It's like putting
32:47
Speaker 4: an actual penalty in a number, like you know, the
32:50
Speaker 4: finest five thousand dollars, when you know things change in time.
32:53
Speaker 4: That's why we have penalty points in legislation rather than
32:55
Speaker 4: actual number. But I have never heard of a piece
32:58
Speaker 4: of legislation in the territory where names are person So
33:02
Speaker 4: when you're.
33:02
Speaker 1: Talking about a commissioner.
33:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, it makes you wonder about the process of the
33:07
Speaker 7: appointment in the first place.
33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it sounds like.
33:11
Speaker 2: Just sounds like they're gonna governments have thrown their hands
33:13
Speaker 2: up in the air and thought, oh this is too hard.
33:15
Speaker 2: We give up, we don't know what to do. Let's
33:16
Speaker 2: just pull in this interrum. I mean, it would have
33:17
Speaker 2: been nice if they had have looked for a local
33:20
Speaker 2: to do this. We had a potential flying flight. There's
33:23
Speaker 2: plenty of locals out there that John wonderfully.
33:25
Speaker 5: Just be clear that it all for land Councils have
33:29
Speaker 5: a say around the selection, so and Akuti Northern and
33:33
Speaker 5: Central Land Council as well as the Minister Selene Ubo. So,
33:37
Speaker 5: I mean, there's obviously legitimate questions to be asked, and
33:40
Speaker 5: I just suggest that Selena gets on and she can
33:42
Speaker 5: clarify those things.
33:43
Speaker 7: I also think she should clarify too, is a comment
33:46
Speaker 7: she made to the a b C this week where
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Speaker 7: I'll I'll just find it because I was.
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Speaker 3: I was gobsmacked when I read this, and I mentioned
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Speaker 3: it to you the other day.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned it about but I didn't have.
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Speaker 3: The actual thing in front of me. But I'll just
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Speaker 3: find it. Because I thought it was a little bit disappointing.
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Speaker 4: All Right, while you're finding that, I I hear what
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Speaker 4: Eva saying in regards to consultation with the land councils,
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Speaker 4: and that's that's that's.
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Speaker 1: Fine, very appropriate.
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Speaker 4: But when the final report comes out, I'd like to
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Speaker 4: know who else they've consulted in regards to a treaty
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Speaker 4: with whoever we're having a treaty with, because when you
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Speaker 4: have a treaty, there's two parties at the table.
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Speaker 1: So you know, had only the.
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Speaker 4: Land council has been consulted, what about me? I might
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Speaker 4: have a vested interest in this, you know, So have
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Speaker 4: other people around the traps been consulted in regards to
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Speaker 4: preparation explanation?
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Speaker 6: And well, this is this is a treaty report. This
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Speaker 6: is an actual treaty that's coming out. So this is
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Speaker 6: a report.
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Speaker 5: So the report will obviously provide well provide directions information
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Speaker 5: around that. So and the Treaty Commissioner in the past
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Speaker 5: has said that whether it's treaties plural or a treaty,
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Speaker 5: that's the work that's ahead.
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Speaker 7: Just what she said was is she miss you both
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Speaker 7: conceded the resignation of Professor Dodson was quote very difficult
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Speaker 7: and very upsetting event for a lot of people in
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Speaker 7: terms of the aspirations that people have linked with the
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Speaker 7: Treaty Commission and the Office.
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Speaker 3: Now, what I wonder is why it's not very difficult
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Speaker 3: and very upsetting event for the women who were in
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Speaker 3: a big abused and why has there.
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Speaker 7: Been no statement saying such from the Treaty Minister. And
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Speaker 7: that's one of the first things I've heard her say
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Speaker 7: about the whole incident. And I mean, I'm only reading
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Speaker 7: the story, and I don't know. Maybe more was said,
35:27
Speaker 7: but according to what I've read, her first concern appears
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Speaker 7: not to be for the victims in this, but to
35:33
Speaker 7: be for the process.
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Speaker 3: Now, for her concern was for the process.
35:36
Speaker 7: Why did it take a whole six months to replace
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Speaker 7: Professor Dodson. Why wasn't the why weren't the expressions of
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Speaker 7: interest called for in June?
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Speaker 4: He was on because surely the Minister would know her
35:49
Speaker 4: own piece of legislation that says you can't have the
35:51
Speaker 4: office vagrant for more than six months, but they didn't
35:53
Speaker 4: even yes.
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Speaker 1: So what do you think, Matt, that they were thinking
35:55
Speaker 1: that they'd be able to put him back in the role.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they were thinking. I don't know
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Speaker 3: whether that's the case.
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Speaker 1: Hands up in there, John about Well, look, we might
36:05
Speaker 1: take a very short break because there's another thing that
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Speaker 1: I'm very keen to talk about in just a couple
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Speaker 1: of moments, and that is the alleged delegations made against
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Speaker 1: Senator Sam McMahon. So we'll cover that off in just
36:16
Speaker 1: a couple of moments. You are listening to Mix one
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Speaker 1: oh four point nine is three sixty. It is the
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Speaker 1: week that was. It is just eight minutes away from
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. You are listening to Mix one oh four
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Speaker 1: point nine. It is the week that was. Now Matt
36:27
Speaker 1: Cunningham's had to duck off because that press conference is
36:30
Speaker 1: about to get underway giving us an update on the
36:32
Speaker 1: situation in Catherine. But I'm still joined by Evil Laula
36:35
Speaker 1: Kesi Apuric and Murray Clare Boothby, And well, we kicked
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Speaker 1: the week off this morning. Sorry, we kicked the week
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Speaker 1: off this week. On Monday, I should say, with the
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Speaker 1: news that the Deputy Prime Minister's Office had said that
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Speaker 1: an apology had been issued over an incident at a
36:51
Speaker 1: National's Christmas party involving Territory Senator Sam mcmahont So members
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Speaker 1: of that party were meeting, apparently at the Kingston Hotel
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Speaker 1: in CA on Thursday night last week, and witnesses had
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Speaker 1: told the media that the alleged incident occurred as colleagues
37:06
Speaker 1: were putting the senator into the taxi. They say that
37:10
Speaker 1: they saw Senator McMahon throw several punches towards the National's
37:13
Speaker 1: Federal Director, Jonathan Hawkes. The COLP issued a statement after
37:20
Speaker 1: being approached by several media outlets earlier in the week
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Speaker 1: and said that the Management Committee of the COLP met
37:27
Speaker 1: to discuss seventh of mets so met to recently to
37:32
Speaker 1: discuss the reported incident in relation to the senator. The President,
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Speaker 1: Jamie de Breney, has spoken with all those involved and
37:39
Speaker 1: has been informed that a sincere apology has been given
37:42
Speaker 1: by Senator Sam McMahon and this was accepted. The COLP
37:47
Speaker 1: Management Committee have high expectations of all parliamentarians, whether they're
37:51
Speaker 1: working from wherever they're working from in the Territory or Canberra,
37:55
Speaker 1: and the COLP as an organization works hard to support
37:58
Speaker 1: those parliamentarians and it's and staff and will continue to
38:02
Speaker 1: do so. Look I've got to say it seemed like
38:05
Speaker 1: a statement from the colp saying, well, nothing to see here.
38:10
Speaker 1: I'll go I'm really easier.
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Speaker 4: There, by the grace of God go iye and everyone
38:15
Speaker 4: else in the territory. But I mean, we don't know
38:18
Speaker 4: the full story. We do it, whether it be you know,
38:22
Speaker 4: the Senator McMahon was objecting to something that Jonathan Hawks
38:27
Speaker 4: had said or said previously, or or I don't know,
38:30
Speaker 4: she got riled up, but yeah, you don't want to
38:33
Speaker 4: go around punching people's that's very inappropriate, or even trying
38:36
Speaker 4: to punch people.
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Speaker 1: And look, we don't know the full story. But a
38:38
Speaker 1: point that was made by a couple of our listeners
38:40
Speaker 1: throughout the week, which I think is a very good one,
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Speaker 1: is that if we were talking about a male who
38:45
Speaker 1: was throwing punches at a female, the ramifications would be
38:48
Speaker 1: very different. Well, there's that part as well, and I'm
38:51
Speaker 1: not really sure why, because we're actually talking.
38:54
Speaker 4: About people's standards in our society.
38:56
Speaker 1: Well, and we are talk because we are talking about
38:58
Speaker 1: somebody who is in a senator's busy. It's a role
39:00
Speaker 1: that people expect you to behave obviously, Well, whether you're
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Speaker 1: at your Christmas party or no matter really where you are,
39:06
Speaker 1: when you are in the public eye, and I'm sure
39:09
Speaker 1: that all of you know that, you know, all of
39:10
Speaker 1: you are expected to.
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Speaker 4: Behave You've got to just be very careful, you know,
39:14
Speaker 4: like if you're going to have a work kind of
39:15
Speaker 4: Christmas party, then you plan it. You plan Okay, I'm
39:20
Speaker 4: going to stay this long, I'm going to have this
39:21
Speaker 4: many drinks, or I'm not going to drink it all
39:23
Speaker 4: or whatever. Or you have someone with you who's just
39:26
Speaker 4: your friend or whatever. You know, like if you if
39:28
Speaker 4: you like the drink, and then you have your uber
39:30
Speaker 4: or your taxi or whatever, and trust that person. So
39:34
Speaker 4: if you do get sozzled, at least trust the person
39:37
Speaker 4: that drags you by the collar and puts you in
39:39
Speaker 4: the taxi, and don't then try and swipe at someone else.
39:41
Speaker 1: Try not to get sozzled these days.
39:43
Speaker 4: Sozzled anywhere, I mean apart from the next day. But
39:46
Speaker 4: it is tricky.
39:46
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, people,
39:50
Speaker 1: we're just.
39:50
Speaker 4: Humans like everyone else. We have the same feelings. We
39:52
Speaker 4: make mistakes, big, small in between. But you know, if
39:56
Speaker 4: Sam Marton, you know, I'm sure she's very regretful and
39:58
Speaker 4: remorseful about her action once she's got a feeling hungover.
40:02
Speaker 1: But poor bugger.
40:04
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, we just all have to
40:05
Speaker 4: have a careful think about how we go about our
40:08
Speaker 4: activities at this time of year in particular. It's it's
40:11
Speaker 4: great to have a lovely time and enjoy you know,
40:14
Speaker 4: Christmas and end of year and all that sort of stuff,
40:16
Speaker 4: but we we just got to be just a bit
40:17
Speaker 4: careful for safety reasons, personal safety reasons.
40:21
Speaker 5: I'm not going to put the boot into Sam, I
40:22
Speaker 5: think plenty of people have. I'm going to actually talk
40:25
Speaker 5: more about the politics. So Sam McMahon is the lined
40:28
Speaker 5: to the Nationals, the CLP.
40:29
Speaker 6: So I would like to know what.
40:31
Speaker 5: Has she got for the territory. Because first of all,
40:34
Speaker 5: she got rid of Michael McCormack. I actually liked Michael
40:38
Speaker 5: McCormack a lot. I had a great relationship with him.
40:40
Speaker 5: He did a lot for the territory.
40:42
Speaker 6: So she got rid of her vote counted towards Michael McCormack.
40:45
Speaker 5: Going she got Barnaby Joyce and then look that we
40:47
Speaker 5: got bad then also with Barnaby. The next step was
40:51
Speaker 5: she must have got something I hope for the territory
40:54
Speaker 5: around the vote around climate change, because that was also
40:57
Speaker 5: a deal that was done between the Libs and the
41:00
Speaker 5: Nationals to get the Nationals over the line around climate change.
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Speaker 5: I want to know from Sam McMahon, and I haven't heard,
41:06
Speaker 5: what has the territory or what is the territory going
41:09
Speaker 5: to get from some of those deals that she's done
41:12
Speaker 5: obviously with the Nationals around that, because that's important. She's
41:18
Speaker 5: a Senator for the Northern Territory. What has she got
41:21
Speaker 5: for the Northern Territory. They're in government, what if she
41:25
Speaker 5: what has she been able to do? You know, we
41:28
Speaker 5: me as Infrastructure Minister in particular, you know, working with
41:31
Speaker 5: the federal government around what we can you know, what
41:34
Speaker 5: we can do for the territory into the future.
41:36
Speaker 6: We've got some big projects.
41:37
Speaker 5: We've got the Arrows projects for example, you know, the
41:40
Speaker 5: Adelaide River off stream water storage. So you know, that's
41:43
Speaker 5: that's my my my interest with Sam McMahon, you know,
41:48
Speaker 5: the drinking, all of those issues there by the bye.
41:51
Speaker 5: I'm focusing on her work and what she's actually doing
41:54
Speaker 5: for the territory well, which I.
41:55
Speaker 1: Think is a very enough point to make.
41:58
Speaker 2: Is interesting that Eva raises that because let's face it,
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Speaker 2: the federal government is the government that has been funding
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Speaker 2: the territory for a very long time and continues to even.
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Speaker 5: Throughout budget government. That's self government, that's right, and the
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Speaker 5: budget tea, that's what they're supposed to do.
42:13
Speaker 2: The budgets that you announce. A lot of the projects
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Speaker 2: that we have here that are fund they are funded
42:17
Speaker 2: by the federal government. The federal senators, Murray claim the
42:20
Speaker 2: House of Reps all contribute to that funding.
42:23
Speaker 1: We get that lobbying.
42:24
Speaker 6: Don We don't get anything extra.
42:26
Speaker 5: We get out what we're rightfully what we rightfully should
42:29
Speaker 5: get as a territory a territory, and what we rightfully
42:33
Speaker 5: should get through GST. We all pay taxes in the
42:35
Speaker 5: Northern Territory of Marry Can. We're not a charity from
42:38
Speaker 5: the federal government. We get what we should be owed on.
42:40
Speaker 2: A lot of the projects we have federally funded.
42:43
Speaker 5: Well, there are a lot of projects that get rolled
42:45
Speaker 5: out through Sports Roots and all the other routs that
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Speaker 5: the federal government have given.
42:49
Speaker 6: What are the ones that are territory are going to
42:50
Speaker 6: get well?
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we've run out of time. Can you belaive it's
42:54
Speaker 1: nearly eleven o'clock. Thank you, Oh, thank you all. I
42:56
Speaker 1: should say so very much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 1: Murray Clair Boothy, the colp's well, the COLP spokesperson for
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Speaker 1: various things including small business and tourism. I believe, thank
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Speaker 1: you for your time this morning. Well Kezy Apure, thank
43:09
Speaker 1: you very much for your time. Santa Run tomorrow hump
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Speaker 1: do you do?
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Speaker 6: People?
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Speaker 4: Don't forget it starts. I think the Santa Run starts
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Speaker 4: about eleven ish and everyone knows where the roads and
43:18
Speaker 4: the stops are, and the Virginia Santa Runs coming up soon,
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Speaker 4: and another I think on Sunday this week. So real people,
43:23
Speaker 4: if you're not sure of the roots, just give my
43:25
Speaker 4: office a call.
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Speaker 1: Good stuff, evil all, thank you very much for your
43:28
Speaker 1: time this morning.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to call out to Sarah and Lisa who
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Speaker 5: are in my elected office and are doing lots of
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Speaker 5: Christmas jobs right at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Oh keep smoking, yeah all right, thank you all so
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Speaker 1: very much for your time this morning. You have been
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Speaker 1: listening to the week that was, and next week will
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Speaker 1: be the last week that was for the year, and
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