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Football at Four: How Does LeBron James Signing Compare to Biggest Philly Sports Moves? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: only story that can push them off what used to
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  Speaker 1: be the backpage. I guess it still is the backpage.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I haven't picked up the newspaper in
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  Speaker 1: quite some time would be the signing of Lebron James
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  Speaker 1: to Philadelphia. So with that, for today's football at four,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan has his ten biggest Philly sports moves of
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  Speaker 1: all time. We'll see where Lebron James fits on that list.
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  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan, I know you're a big Sixers fan, big hoophead.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mike. I wanted to change up because look,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna talk all Eagles all the time starting Monday.
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  Speaker 2: I can't see what the Phillies are so frustrating. Josh knows.
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  Speaker 2: Josh and I talk a lot. I can't take it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so frustrated with Philly. But this thing, Mike, I'll
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  Speaker 2: be honest with you. So I'm driving to Stretch Show
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gett. You know, I'm playing tennis tonight, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm gett a little bit limber. And anyway, I see
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  Speaker 2: the sham's Sharani his tweet because I get his known occasions,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, please don't be fake. Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: when I saw I was driving, so I really couldn't
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  Speaker 2: look down, I'm like, all right, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: in Miami. Come on, it's got to be How could
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  Speaker 2: pat Riley, who doesn't seem to miss on any guy
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  Speaker 2: that he wants, not get him. And when I stopped
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  Speaker 2: the light, I read a very quick limit. I was
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  Speaker 2: kind of like shocked. You know. Then I'm I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to remember my lifetime, Mike, when like, what what signings
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  Speaker 2: did I live through? And we'll get to Pete Rose.
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  Speaker 2: That was a big one in nineteen eighty the Moses
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  Speaker 2: ballone signing coming over from the Rockets. Oh holy smokes.
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  Speaker 2: I was a little kid. When Doctor J came over
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  Speaker 2: with via the ABA merger, there was kind of complicated.
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  Speaker 2: But in recent times there have been A. J. Brown, Tray,
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  Speaker 2: Sae Kwon, Barkley signing, and others. But this one in
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  Speaker 2: my lifetime, I did live through the Doctor j move,
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  Speaker 2: and that of its time was huge. Mike obviously unbelievable,
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  Speaker 2: super cool as a little kid, but Lebron won Mike
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  Speaker 2: to me, starting off at number one, nothing could rober it.
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  Speaker 2: I heard you and Josh talking. We could debate who's
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  Speaker 2: better Lebron or Michael Jordan, but what Lebron's doing potentially
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  Speaker 2: four rings with four different teams is unheard of that
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  Speaker 2: that would be the big difference obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen, I'm a Michael guy over Lebron.
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  Speaker 1: And I was very critical Lebron earlier in his career.
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  Speaker 1: I hated him going to Miami. I didn't like the
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  Speaker 1: way that all went down. I gained a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more respect for him, a lot more respect actually when
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  Speaker 1: he went back to Cleveland, because I just didn't I
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  Speaker 1: thought he kind of took the easy way out of Cleveland,
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  Speaker 1: and then he went there and ended up winning. I
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  Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit for that. The Laker years,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they are what they were. I felt like
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  Speaker 1: they kind of fell flat a little bit. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like this great Laker that other great Lakers felt like.
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  Speaker 1: But that being said, it's undeniable. This is possibly the
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  Speaker 1: biggest sports star of our lifetime. All right, I mean
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  Speaker 1: you can say that if you think it's Tiger or Michael.
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  Speaker 1: He's in that conversation.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Here's how I would rank them. Okay, now
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  Speaker 2: you and I are old enough to remember, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: We have to mind. I was a little kid, aloud, kid,
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  Speaker 2: I was a little I was early teens when Wayne
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  Speaker 2: Gretzky became a superstar. So I would rank it Jordan,
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  Speaker 2: probably Gretzky, Ken Griffy juniors in my top ten of
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  Speaker 2: best athletes I've ever seen. I mean, we forget how
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  Speaker 2: great he was, but Jordan's got to still be one
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  Speaker 2: to me. Now, Kobe, unfortunately, you know, you know we
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  Speaker 2: don't have with Kobe sat very sadly. Kobe is certainly
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  Speaker 2: my top ten of all time of all professional athletes.
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  Speaker 2: But Lebron. It's Lebron and Jordan now. But again, Wayne
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  Speaker 2: Gretzky's right up there. Man. If you follow hockey, I
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  Speaker 2: know you follow it. Wayne Gretzky was special. The excitement
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  Speaker 2: of Alan Iverson on skates is to what I used
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  Speaker 2: to call him. It's just you. When he got the
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  Speaker 2: pocket open ice, you have no but it was special.
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  Speaker 2: But Lebron will be number one for me and especially
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  Speaker 2: by the way in this town. By far, the biggest
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  Speaker 2: transaction in Philopy sports history, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So let's take a look at the ten biggest
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  Speaker 1: Philly sports moves. These are free agents or trade that
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  Speaker 1: you have of all time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing drafts. So Lebron's signing. I understand he's
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  Speaker 2: forty one, but Mike, he really is a missing piece
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  Speaker 2: because they needed Let's look at this the impact. Also,
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  Speaker 2: now Dan Wade, a former Cavalier, does not have to start.
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  Speaker 2: That makes their better. Lebron is a facilitator. And look,
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  Speaker 2: let's not forget the Lakers had all sorts of injury
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  Speaker 2: problems with Doncis' injury, Reeves's injury. They wouldn't have been
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  Speaker 2: way better with Lebron if these guys didn't get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: But Lebron, it's going to be. There's so many things
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  Speaker 2: this represents, and this leadership understanding how to win. Can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to see this number two. This is mite surprise
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  Speaker 2: some people, but again I'm older than probably most people listening,
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  Speaker 2: and I live this as a little kid. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize quite I had to look it up exactly how
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  Speaker 2: the Flyers got Bernie Paran zero chancey went back to
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  Speaker 2: back titles in seventy four and seventy five without Bernie
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  Speaker 2: parn the late Bernie proNT. Hell of a guy, great guy.
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  Speaker 2: I've been around him personally, Mike. When you talk about
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  Speaker 2: the goaltender standing on his header stoning the other team,
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  Speaker 2: Bernie Paran is number two. The young people probably listening
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  Speaker 2: someone won't know who he is, but you know who.
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  Speaker 2: Bernie proNT was number one and what a great dude.
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  Speaker 1: Oh listen, you mentioned it. The last time the Flyers
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  Speaker 1: won a Stanley Cup was Bernie Brynt. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest reasons why they never were weren't able to
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  Speaker 1: were always came up short was the lack of goaltending.
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  Speaker 1: So it's ironic that they won a Cup because of
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  Speaker 1: their excellent goaltending and haven't been able to win one
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  Speaker 1: because of their inect goaltending.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, number three again, I live this one. I
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  Speaker 2: was at Wayne Pencharter School. It's where Matt Ryan went
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  Speaker 2: and Mike mcglinchy. I guess Adam Goldberg, but I was
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  Speaker 2: at Penn Charter then, and when they signed Pete Rose
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  Speaker 2: coming on from the Reds. He was the missing piece
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  Speaker 2: of the ninety eight team. And remember what Mike Schmidt
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  Speaker 2: said it, Lari Boa said it, others said it without
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  Speaker 2: Rose challenging them, and then of course Dallas Green. They
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  Speaker 2: were not winning. Pete Rose in that unbelievable catch when
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  Speaker 2: it dropped out of bab Boon's hands. Still can't believe that.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Pete Rose would be number three for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Rose. By the way, this is similar to Lebron,
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  Speaker 1: a guy at the end, at the tail end of
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  Speaker 1: his career, but could still play while being in the
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  Speaker 1: twilight of his career, giving the a team that has
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  Speaker 1: perpetually come up short, a championship pedigree player.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, number four, Mike, No chance of Sixers would
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  Speaker 2: have won an eighty two eighty three without this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Moses Malone, oh Man Robo rebounder. What a story. I remember,
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  Speaker 2: had the Sixers not swept, I would have had the
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  Speaker 2: I had tickets lined up for the next game, but
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  Speaker 2: it did matter. Just incredible. Moses Malone and Howard Katz
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  Speaker 2: traded them for Jeff Will won't give me a break.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember talking to Brad Doherty about that during
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  Speaker 2: her time at ESPN. We actually talked about that. He
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  Speaker 2: about when he was shooting at Harrow Katz's backyard in Villanova.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of funny, but Moses Malone number two, number
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  Speaker 2: four in the lists, but were the number two Mike,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely no chance that they would not want to champion.
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  Speaker 2: He was unbelievable here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I vaguely remember watching Moses play. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm only I'm forty nine. I'll be fifty in January,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm a little young for the eighty three six ers,
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  Speaker 1: but I do I vaguely remember him being a part
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  Speaker 1: of the team. And we were talking about this earlier.
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  Speaker 1: As great as Moses would, he's not in the same
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  Speaker 1: stratosphere as in terms of a star of Lebron James.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, but mat yeah, absolutely story when I
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  Speaker 2: was in high school, he was the missing piece for that.
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  Speaker 2: And then number five this one left the Carlton, number
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  Speaker 2: thirty two of Mike when they made the trade with
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals. What an absolute of the biggest sis in
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  Speaker 2: MLB history. A Hall of Famer. Forget about what he
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  Speaker 2: looked like with the Twins. Who cares when he lost it?
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  Speaker 2: He was unbelievable, pretty good hitting putcher, another guy eighty
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  Speaker 2: World Series team and one of the best left hittererson
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  Speaker 2: MLB history. What a trade, what an acquisition. He's number
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  Speaker 2: five on my list.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I do remember Carlton a little bit. I mean again,
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  Speaker 1: a little young, but I saw him towards the end, right,
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  Speaker 1: I saw him more at the twilight of his career
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  Speaker 1: with the Phillies and then as he bounced around with
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  Speaker 1: some Soda Twins San Francisco Giants. I choose to forget
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those Carlton, but you're right. I mean
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  Speaker 1: what he brought to the Phillies to win that World
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  Speaker 1: Series and eight. But people forget. You know, he came
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  Speaker 1: over in the trade with the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, number six. I mentioned it earlier briefly,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor j D. The ABA merger, getting him in the
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  Speaker 2: transaction with the Nets. If you might remember his deal again,
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  Speaker 2: I was a very little kid, but I remember the contract.
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  Speaker 2: It was unheard of six years, six million, a million
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  Speaker 2: a year, Mike. That would be now like fifty to
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  Speaker 2: sixty billion a year that it was just unheard of.
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  Speaker 2: And again he was so special. I got the Doctor
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  Speaker 2: J shoes, the converse, the red ones. I was mesmerized.
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  Speaker 2: He was. He was a skywalker. Mike. You remember, he
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  Speaker 2: was one of the first hard dunkers, special dunker. Great guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's number six. Again, I know you're younger than I,
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  Speaker 2: but for those of those who are enough to remember,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor J was unbelievab when they first got him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Doc again, he's another one where I saw him.
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  Speaker 1: Barkley was like a rookie in those years. So I
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  Speaker 1: saw Doc really at the end of his career for
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  Speaker 1: the most part, when I mean his last couple of
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  Speaker 1: years in Philly. You know, he wasn't the same player.
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  Speaker 1: But I got to imagine in the eighties eighty three
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  Speaker 1: winning those championship with the MVP, finished third in the MVP,
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  Speaker 1: second in the MVP. I mean, he was a dynamic
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  Speaker 1: dunking type of player. I was talking about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that at that time he was probably one of the
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  Speaker 1: bigger stars, but probably not as big of a star
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  Speaker 1: as Lebron Is.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, but he was the Michael Jordan before Michael
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  Speaker 2: Jordan's in terms of athleticism, wide open, hard dunker number six,
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  Speaker 2: doctor j number seven. You don't have. It's not necessary
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  Speaker 2: to have won a championship. But when charl Lewens came here,
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  Speaker 2: Mike in two thousand and four, I remember that first
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  Speaker 2: practice with over ten thousand people. I've never seen anything
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  Speaker 2: like it before at Lehigh where since it was special
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  Speaker 2: between him and Owen, him and McNabb. It'll be if
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  Speaker 2: you talk about philadephy Sports Tragedies is obviously in our
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  Speaker 2: top five because of how he ruined it, absolutely ruined it.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Terarall, Owens was special at number eighty one and
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  Speaker 2: they never would have gotten the Super Bowl that year.
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  Speaker 2: And for him to come back, I still cannot believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Playing with them coming off the ankle surgery. It's really
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  Speaker 2: incredible what he was able to do in that game.
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  Speaker 2: It's really really special.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and back I talked about too earlier. I can
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  Speaker 1: remember I was on my way to the airport to
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  Speaker 1: go to Philly spring training was snowing out, and when
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  Speaker 1: that whole thing happened. If you remember, you know it
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  Speaker 1: was hit them or the the Orioles, the Ravens. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was like a weird situation got avoided that whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: and you're right the circus that happened with him coming
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  Speaker 1: here and then what it did for that team. You
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  Speaker 1: know mcnet who where what I have you would have
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  Speaker 1: thought of McNabb, who was very polarizing had he had
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  Speaker 1: a player like t O for the entirety of his
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  Speaker 1: career instead of just one year.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean a year and a half, right, and
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  Speaker 2: then the next one. Mike. They did not win a
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  Speaker 2: ring with him, but the Late Royal Holliday Doc Holiday.
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  Speaker 2: It's just he was so special, the no hitter. It's
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  Speaker 2: just really really super cool Mike. They couldn't quite get
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  Speaker 2: there as far as we thought they would with him.
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  Speaker 2: That was a major transaction with with the Blue Jays.
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  Speaker 2: And there's one you have to give Roomen Tomorrow credit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was a great, great move number.
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  Speaker 1: Nine, only to be overshadowed by trading Cliff Lee on
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  Speaker 1: the same day.
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  Speaker 2: I know that was, which is insane. Number nine. This
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  Speaker 2: one he was here four years. This is another one.
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  Speaker 2: We'll remember where we were when AJ Brown was acquired
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  Speaker 2: during the twenty two draft. It should have been longer.
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  Speaker 2: They won a Super Bowl with him. It was a
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  Speaker 2: great trade. Great job by Howi's staying on with John Robinson,
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  Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans general manager. It probably helped get John
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  Speaker 2: Robinson fired. Unfortunately, what an acquisition, What a trade, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what could you say about aj Brown? Unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: he wanted out and they did it. But it was
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  Speaker 2: pretty darn good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, aj Draft Knight. I mean when they made that
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  Speaker 1: trade kind of came out of right field, Like that's
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  Speaker 1: one of those things where you're not hearing reports of
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  Speaker 1: that happening. It just happens. And we saw what the
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  Speaker 1: end result was for for the franchise getting him. And
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  Speaker 1: then the last one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the last one, although I'll tell you what, well,
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  Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown on four, we have to see if they
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  Speaker 2: can win at least win. That's right up there, though
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  Speaker 2: they hasn't even played a game yet. But Saquon Barkley, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: we were skeptical and gotta be honest with because we
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  Speaker 2: just didn't know. He was so hurt with the Giants,
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  Speaker 2: but had the best season in NFL history at running
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  Speaker 2: back from beginning to end, and he had Mike. That
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  Speaker 2: What an acquisition. What a signing he got, Dad that Mike,
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  Speaker 2: he got an extension after one season. Remember they redid
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  Speaker 2: his deal. It's ridiculous, but it was it was worth it.
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  Speaker 2: Great job by Howie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the Barkley signing, you know, which, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, gets chronicled in that hard knocks off seeds
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  Speaker 1: and giants thing, which adds to the whole you know
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  Speaker 1: thing of him coming leaving New York coming to Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: One of the great stories in Philadelphia Eagles history. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny too, is Lebron I think is easily the
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  Speaker 1: biggest star in maybe the history of the city. The
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  Speaker 1: Eagles don't really have that because their Super Bowls are
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  Speaker 1: won by quarterbacks who are not considered like superstar level players,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah I do. But Mike, if you look
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  Speaker 2: at this list overall, not everyone won a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: with them, Roy Halliday and Tara Lewans, but they all
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  Speaker 2: they all contribute to the greatness of those teams.
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  Speaker 1: And huge impacts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just wanted to change it up because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you listening grew up in Philly, South Jersey
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  Speaker 2: and it. But I'm glad I mention and Bernie Prime
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  Speaker 2: because for those of us I didn't really know him
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  Speaker 2: but I've been around him socially, because again, you weren't,
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  Speaker 2: You weren't old enough to remember him. I was. I
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  Speaker 2: was young, very young, but my remembrance of how dominant
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  Speaker 2: a goalie can be, that was really the first time
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  Speaker 2: I understood in hockey mic a goalie can carryer hockey team.
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  Speaker 2: And he sure as he did with a little obviously.
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  Speaker 1: With hell good list Adam kaplan. By the way, on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: when Adam's back, the Eagles will be reporting to training
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  Speaker 1: camp and we will have more all the birds as
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  Speaker 1: they are back starting next week right here on Football
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  Speaker 1: at four on the Sports Bash. Enjoy the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Man, you're truth. Thanks