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  Speaker 1: like SimpliSafe. Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Levitt.
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  Speaker 2: Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, the Trump administration has finally facilitated the
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  Speaker 1: return of Kilmer Obrego Garcia, but is now charging him
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  Speaker 1: with human trafficking. We'll also talk about whether Trump and
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  Speaker 1: Elon will ever make up in the latest internal drama
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  Speaker 1: at the DNC. You'll also hear Tommy's exclusive interview, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just calling it exclusive, with Governor Newsom a little later
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  Speaker 1: in the show. But let's begin here in occupied LA,
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  Speaker 1: where Donald Trump has deployed 2,000 National Guard troops to
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  Speaker 1: help deal with A few protests that got out of
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  Speaker 1: hand after two big ICE raids at workplaces in downtown L.A.
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  Speaker 1: and Paramount, which is a heavily Hispanic suburb about a
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  Speaker 1: half hour south of here. I think to understand the
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  Speaker 1: full context of what happened over the weekend, we should
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  Speaker 1: start with a story we briefly covered last week, which
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  Speaker 1: was Stephen Miller calling an emergency meeting of top ICE
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  Speaker 1: officials in D.C. so he could tell them that they're, quote,
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  Speaker 1: horrible leaders for not hitting his completely arbitrary goal of 3,000
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  Speaker 1: arrests per day. And he also berated them for focusing
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  Speaker 1: only on criminals and not places like Home Depot or 7-Eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Also a quote. He then fired two top ICE officials.
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  Speaker 1: And sure enough, this weekend, masked ICE agents showed up
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  Speaker 1: in the parking lot of a Home Depot in Paramount
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  Speaker 1: and started arresting everyone they saw. They also raided a
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  Speaker 1: clothing company downtown. When word got out on social media,
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  Speaker 1: some people showed up to protest. ICE then fired flashbang
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  Speaker 1: grenades and pepper spray and things devolved from there. But
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  Speaker 1: by Saturday afternoon, the confrontations died down. And even the
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  Speaker 1: libs at the LAPD put out a statement commending people
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  Speaker 1: for demonstrations that remain peaceful and concluded, quote, without incident.
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  Speaker 1: And that's around the time that Trump decided to federalize
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  Speaker 1: the National Guard over the objections of Governor Newsom. First
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  Speaker 1: time that's happened since 1965. The Guard showed up to
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  Speaker 1: empty streets on Sunday morning. By afternoon, there were protests downtown.
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  Speaker 1: By evening, some had turned violent and destructive. Law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: told CNN it was a few dozen protesters responsible for
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  Speaker 1: the chaos, which included lighting a few self-driving Waymo cars
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  Speaker 1: on fire. Trump was asked about all this on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: including his immigration czar's comments about arresting public officials like
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  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. Trump said, as he was getting on the
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  Speaker 1: helicopter to reporters, well, if I were Tom, I would,
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  Speaker 1: referencing Tom Homan, Trump was again asked about this later
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  Speaker 1: in the day at an event. Here's what he said.
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  Speaker 4: The crime is he committed? I think his primary primary
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  Speaker 4: crime is running for governor because he's done such a
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  Speaker 4: bad job.
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  Speaker 5: When you were talking about unrest in American cities, you said, quote,
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  Speaker 5: We have to go by the laws. We can't call
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  Speaker 5: in the National Guard unless we're requested by a governor.
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  Speaker 5: What changed now? Why is this situation different to not
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  Speaker 5: consult with Governor Newsom about this?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the biggest change from that statement is we have
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  Speaker 4: an incompetent governor.
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  Speaker 5: Are you going to deploy Marines in California?
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  Speaker 6: We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: So apparently he is deploying Marines. There's over 700 Marines
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  Speaker 1: in Southern California that should arrive here within the next
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  Speaker 1: 24 hours, apparently, even though Trump said in that event
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  Speaker 1: we just heard from that things are moving in the
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  Speaker 1: right direction. Guess not. before we get to the sitting
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  Speaker 1: president calling for the arrest of the governor of our
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  Speaker 1: largest state, uh, which is what Trump was responding to
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of that quote. Um, let's start with
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  Speaker 1: just general reactions from you guys to the protests since
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  Speaker 1: we all live here. Love it. Uh, you stopped by
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  Speaker 1: one of the protests earlier today. What was the vibe
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  Speaker 1: and how different was it than what people might be
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  Speaker 1: seeing on TV?
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  Speaker 3: It's pandemonium, John.
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  Speaker 2: What was your fire starter of choice?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Well, here's the thing. Molotov cocktails are a lot
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  Speaker 3: like fish tacos. They just don't travel well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So use them or lose them.
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  Speaker 1: Pull that pin.
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  Speaker 3: And John, I understand that Waymo never came.
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  Speaker 2: That you were waiting for.
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  Speaker 3: And so I went down- Did you take a Waymo?
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  Speaker 2: That would have been very funny.
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  Speaker 3: Take a Waymo, leave a Waymo.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, this is the first time a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the country is even hearing about Waymos. I was
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  Speaker 1: realizing this on social media. Some people were like, what
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  Speaker 1: the fuck's a Waymo? Like, yes, we have self-driving cars here.
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  Speaker 1: They're Waymos.
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  Speaker 2: They're from Google.
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  Speaker 1: And it's really weird when you see them.
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  Speaker 3: And there's just nothing funny about calling a Waymo to
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  Speaker 3: a protest to set it on fire. That car just
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  Speaker 3: sort of humbly- navigating through different crowds of people just
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  Speaker 3: to get to its attended recipient only to be set
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  Speaker 3: on fire. There's nothing funny about that.
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  Speaker 2: Coming to a Fox News segment near you.
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  Speaker 3: But so I went to the.
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  Speaker 1: We were against this, Jesse.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And Greg Gutfeld.
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  Speaker 3: So SEIU had a big protest downtown because one of
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  Speaker 3: the people arrested over the weekend is David Huerta, who
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  Speaker 3: is one of the leaders of SEIU. This to me...
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  Speaker 3: whatever dozens of people may have been setting Waymo's on
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  Speaker 3: fire and leading Fox wall to wall, this was thousands
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  Speaker 3: of people. Every local labor union was represented. Unite Here
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  Speaker 3: was there. SEIU is there. UFW is there. I saw
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  Speaker 3: Roofer's unions and other unions. Tons of different people. There
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  Speaker 3: are American flags. There are Mexican flags. There are resist
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  Speaker 3: fascism flags, all kinds of flags, extremely peaceful, exactly what
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  Speaker 3: you want to see, exactly what Fox News is not playing.
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  Speaker 3: That is the lion's share of demonstrations that we are
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  Speaker 3: seeing across the country. That is the lion's share of
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  Speaker 3: participants in this moment, in these protests. And it was inspiring.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lot of people. And, you know, there
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  Speaker 3: are people there saying things that I don't agree with. People,
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  Speaker 3: it's a big motley crew of all the different progressive
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  Speaker 3: organizations in the city representing the whole range of beliefs.
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  Speaker 3: And that's That, to me, is what's the main kind
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  Speaker 3: of demonstration you're seeing in Los Angeles, just not going
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  Speaker 3: to be what Fox News is going to play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's important for people who don't
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  Speaker 1: live here to realize, A, L.A. is huge. And even
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  Speaker 1: when you're just, you know, confining this to downtown and Paramount,
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  Speaker 1: like downtown, and Mayor Bass was saying this as well,
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  Speaker 1: even when you're downtown, it's only a few streets here
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  Speaker 1: and there. I was east side near your place and
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  Speaker 1: I was west side all over the weekend. You would
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  Speaker 1: not have known if you hadn't read the news or
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  Speaker 1: followed along that anything was going on in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles County has, what, 10 or 11 million people.
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  Speaker 1: It's the biggest county in America.
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  Speaker 3: New York and Philadelphia are as close to each other
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  Speaker 3: as different parts of this county. It is massive. It
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  Speaker 3: is massive.
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  Speaker 2: The paramount protests on Saturday was reportedly 300 people. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the one that there are a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: scariest images that came out of that. The Fox has
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  Speaker 2: been playing all day. The LAPD has 9,000 sworn officers, 3,000
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  Speaker 2: civilian employees. They have over a dozen helicopters. They have
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  Speaker 2: a SWAT team. They have a mounted police unit with
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  Speaker 2: 40 horses. They can handle a protest of 300 people.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that you have to send in the National Guard,
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  Speaker 2: to put down a protest of 300 people is ludicrous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and again, the LAPD Saturday afternoon put out that statement.
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  Speaker 1: There was like, we commend everyone, and this was without incident,
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  Speaker 1: and we're so glad this all worked, and we're on
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  Speaker 1: standby in case anything changes, and don't worry. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to put that out, the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: Police Department, if they are worried or they didn't think
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  Speaker 1: that it was peaceful. Also, the situation in Paramount, if
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  Speaker 1: ICE had There is ways, if ICE wants, to detain
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  Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants and put them through a process. We've had
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  Speaker 1: this for years and years, it's been done this way.
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  Speaker 1: Even in the first Trump administration, the raids weren't quite
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  Speaker 1: like this, let alone all through the Obama administration and
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  Speaker 1: the Biden administration. When you go into a parking lot,
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  Speaker 1: and these are reports from people who are on the
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  Speaker 1: ground in Paramount, and you just have masked agents pouring
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  Speaker 1: out of vans and arresting anyone they see, anyone they
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  Speaker 1: can grab, And not like they're saying that they're looking
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  Speaker 1: for specific people. And then, of course, afterwards, DHS has
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  Speaker 1: this thing like, oh, we got a lot of criminals.
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  Speaker 1: And this people's like, yeah, of course, you found a
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  Speaker 1: few people with criminal records. Right. Like that's but the
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  Speaker 1: idea that you're just going to start grabbing anyone you
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  Speaker 1: can in a very Hispanic suburb. Of course, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to there's going to be a reaction there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's also all of this is about stoking a. small
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  Speaker 3: subset of people to create the images they want to
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  Speaker 3: allow them to escalate further. Even the deploying of the
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  Speaker 3: National Guard, it is meant to be inflammatory. And then
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  Speaker 3: what are the guard there? Oh, they're just there to
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  Speaker 3: guard federal buildings. They're not actually participating in anything. He's
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  Speaker 3: calling in the Marines. For what purpose? To what end?
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  Speaker 3: They're not allowed to make arrests in U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Cities.
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  Speaker 3: What are they actually deploying these people to do? And
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  Speaker 3: it seems to me what they're actually trying to do is,
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  Speaker 3: first of all, create more chaos on the use this
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  Speaker 3: as a pretense for doing it, not just in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 3: but in other cities across the country.
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  Speaker 2: The ice guys you see on film, on TV, like
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  Speaker 2: either they're dressed like they're like Navy SEALs, like special
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  Speaker 2: forces cosplay, or there are people not in uniform with
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  Speaker 2: like no badge, no discernible markings to suggest they're law
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  Speaker 2: enforcement with a mask on trying to fucking tackle you.
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  Speaker 2: Could you imagine what your human reaction to that would be?
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  Speaker 2: These people like brutalizing like random civilians on the street,
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  Speaker 2: throwing them to the ground, no idea if they're citizens
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  Speaker 2: or non-citizens. The idea that this is an okay way
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  Speaker 2: to do policing of any kind is crazy to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, in Paramount and at the
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  Speaker 1: clothing company downtown, people were saying that they were grabbing
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  Speaker 1: and arresting people who were citizens. And you, again, Dan
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  Speaker 1: and I talked about this last week, but you give
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  Speaker 1: them your ID, you give them, even if you happen
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  Speaker 1: to have your passport on you, they assume that it's fake.
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  Speaker 1: And so they just detain you anyway. So there is
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  Speaker 1: an incredible amount of fear in communities that are heavily
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  Speaker 1: immigrant or just heavily Latino. And so that's sort of
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  Speaker 1: the backdrop of all this. So Newsom is now suing
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  Speaker 1: the administration for taking over the California National Guard without
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  Speaker 1: his approval and cooperation. The White House memo federalizing the
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  Speaker 1: guard is quite broad and basically says the president can
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  Speaker 1: deploy troops in any city, any state, any time, including
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  Speaker 1: not just the guard, but the U.S. military. Trump himself said, quote,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to have troops everywhere. We talked about the
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  Speaker 1: Marines he's now mobilized that are apparently coming here. What's
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  Speaker 1: your level of alarm over this? And what do you
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  Speaker 1: make of Newsom's legal challenge?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the fact that you had all
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  Speaker 2: these governors from like Andy Beshear to J.B. Pritzker, sort
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  Speaker 2: of a range of moderation to liberalism, sign a joint
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  Speaker 2: statement about it suggests that they're pretty worried. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I think Newsom is undoubtedly right on the
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  Speaker 2: merits to challenge Trump in the courts. We are not
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  Speaker 2: under invasion. This is not a rebellion that needs to
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  Speaker 2: be put down. And it's a dangerous precedent. Whether or
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  Speaker 2: not he will win this case, given the makeup of
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  Speaker 2: the courts, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an invocation of the Insurrection Act, right? And
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  Speaker 1: they were very careful to, the administration's been pretty careful
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  Speaker 1: to say that it wasn't, right? And it basically relies
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  Speaker 1: on a statute that authorizes the president to federalize the
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  Speaker 1: National Guard if there's an actual or threatened rebellion, quote,
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  Speaker 1: against the authority of the government of the United States,
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  Speaker 1: and to use the Guard to protect federal property and functions.
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  Speaker 1: So that is what the Trump administration is relying on.
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  Speaker 1: And they're saying that this is the so-called protective power
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  Speaker 1: of the president. And so if they're using the Guard
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  Speaker 1: purely to protect federal property, which is what they were
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  Speaker 1: doing yesterday. They were surrounding the federal building in downtown LA.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently they had, didn't have like live ammo in their
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  Speaker 1: rounds and they were just there to protect and, or
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  Speaker 1: to protect. And they couldn't, they, they're not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: do law enforcement actions. So they're not allowed to arrest.
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  Speaker 1: They're just, now what Newsom is basing the challenge off
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  Speaker 1: of is that it says this should be announced. If
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  Speaker 1: the president's going to do this, it should be announced
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  Speaker 1: through the governor's Now, it doesn't get– so which is–
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  Speaker 1: and he's saying, well, I didn't give consent to this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not cooperating. And the administration will probably say, well,
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  Speaker 1: just because it says it's announced through the governors, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't give an explicit veto to governors on this. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that will be the contention. It is a
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  Speaker 1: little fuzzy, I think, the legal rationale here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I'm not going to leave that to the
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  Speaker 3: strict scrutiny squad. It's more just the– the just bending
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  Speaker 3: of the meaning of words, right? Like, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: see all these different, they're calling it a rebellion, an insurrection, invasion.
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  Speaker 3: It is none of those things. That is not what
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  Speaker 3: is happening. It is protests, some of which are, you know,
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  Speaker 3: leading to, you know, small groups of people are causing
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  Speaker 3: disturbances and violence and some chaos. That is what Trump wants.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure nothing would make Donald Trump happier than to
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  Speaker 3: have a National Guard around a federal building suddenly facing
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  Speaker 3: an onslaught of protesters. He would love that image. He
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  Speaker 3: would love to see that. Now, put the National Guard
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  Speaker 3: piece of it aside. There is no justification for sending
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  Speaker 3: Marines into an American city. We are not under invasion.
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  Speaker 3: We are not seeing a rebellion.
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  Speaker 1: LA is not on fire, as the Fox has been saying,
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  Speaker 1: because it's not in our office all day long.
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  Speaker 2: None of that is true.
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  Speaker 3: And I saw Kevin Roberts, who runs the Heritage Foundation,
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  Speaker 3: he posted their favorite image, which is, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like was done and created in a lab to
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  Speaker 3: be on Fox News, which is a masked guy standing
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  Speaker 3: on a burning Waymo waving a Mexican flag. Like it
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  Speaker 3: was like, did they ask Chet GPT to create this
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  Speaker 3: image for them?
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  Speaker 6: Fine.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, it seems like this is what happens
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  Speaker 3: when you have an invasion in your country. We must
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  Speaker 3: have mass deportations or we won't have a republic. Like
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  Speaker 3: these guys have become such just so fucking cowardly and
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  Speaker 3: like America is not as fragile as all that. We're
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  Speaker 3: fucking fine. Like the LAPD can handle some protests, even
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  Speaker 3: protests that got out of hand. Like America can handle
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  Speaker 3: this problem. And the idea that like we have that
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  Speaker 3: therefore some random guy is waving a Mexican flag and
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  Speaker 3: therefore we need mass deportations. We need to go after
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  Speaker 3: the Home Depots and the Seven Lives. Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: The logic is also a bit off because we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have burning Waymos and people throwing things at cop cars
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  Speaker 1: from overpasses. before the National Guard got here. And then
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  Speaker 1: the president said, all right, I'm taking over the National Guard.
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  Speaker 1: I'm federalizing it. Sent in 2,000 troops. And then we
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  Speaker 1: had Sunday night where we had the Waymose. So even
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  Speaker 1: their 2,000 troops couldn't do anything. Even the LAPD on
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  Speaker 1: Friday night and Saturday had the situation under control.
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  Speaker 2: And again, Stephen Miller's goal of 3,000 arrests a day
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  Speaker 2: is the key to understanding all of this. Because that
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  Speaker 2: is what's driving ICE to arrest people with no criminal
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  Speaker 2: history who are often literally in immigration courts for hearings
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  Speaker 2: because they're trying to be a part of the process
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  Speaker 2: and do the right thing. And then they're getting arrested after,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they walk out of the courtroom where an
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  Speaker 2: immigration court just said, you know, their case wasn't dismissed
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. And Stephen Miller knows that those kinds of
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  Speaker 2: arrests are going to be unpopular. So he has been
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  Speaker 2: pushing for months and months and months for fights with
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  Speaker 2: big liberal cities like LA because they desperately want this
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  Speaker 2: story to be about the dude on the Waymo burning
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: the car.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: And Apparently, in the last month, I think about 25%
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: of ICE arrests, the people had no criminal record whatsoever.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: And that is a new record. Even in the Biden administration,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it was something like only 6% had no criminal record.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: In the first Trump term, it was like 10%. So
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it has just skyrocketed just in the last couple of
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: weeks for exactly what Tommy's talking about, because Stephen Miller, look,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: they want a million deportations a year. And they think
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: they can only get there with 3,000 arrests per day.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Nowhere near 3,000 arrests per day were happening in the
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: first Trump term and certainly less than that in Biden
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: and Obama's term. So they're just trying to arrest. This
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: is not about criminals. It's just not about criminals anymore.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: This is about arresting anyone who is not a citizen
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and who doesn't have documents to be here. So the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Newsom arrest thing we should talk about. You know, Tom Homan,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the immigration czar, He has made these threats before, like
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: public officials who stand in the way might get arrested.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And then someone said, oh, does this include Bass and Newsom?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, they're not above the law either.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: He later clarified to say, well, they haven't violated the law,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: so I wouldn't arrest them. But Newsom was asked about it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: He said, go ahead, make my day, come arrest me
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. And then Trump was like, well, if
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I was Tom, I'd arrest him. And then Newsom, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: then replied by saying it's an unmistakable step toward authoritarianism.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Thoughts on this whole thing? this whole thing?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, I'm from a simpler time when arresting
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: an elected official was seen as a very serious thing.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: You didn't just idly threaten that you did it because
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: you had evidence of corruption, of malfeasance, like a serious crime.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Or inciting an insurrection against the Capitol.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: For example, it certainly wasn't something you debated publicly and
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you screamed from the helicopter. Sure, I guess that is
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: like insane. They've already arrested the mayor and They've already
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: charged a sitting member of Congress. They arrested David Huerta,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: who is currently detained for, I don't know what they're
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: claiming exactly the charges are, but it's basically for nonviolent
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: protest as part of some of these ICE raids. So
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: they are doing it already. Whether or not they ultimately
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: charge Karen Bass or Gavin Newsom and go to that
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: next step. It's almost beside the point. They are charging
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: elected officials. They are doing it.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: And a reporter asked Trump, well, what was Gavin Newsom's crime?
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And he said, running for governor. Yeah, that was the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: clip that we... Yeah, which he meant as a dodge.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: He meant as a political attack. But taken literally, he
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: is saying, Gavin's crime is opposing me politically. And for
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Trump in that moment is kind of like out right-wing
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: crazying Tom Homan, his immigration czar, who is the intellectual
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: father of the original family separation policy. He is, as
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, he's threatened to arrest a bunch of other Democrats.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: He threatened to prosecute AOC for informing migrants about their rights.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: ICE is a completely out-of-control organization. He is an out-of-control
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: right-wing leader who wants to scare the shit out of
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: people and militarize immigration enforcement.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And by the way, that's all true. And yet, Homan,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: he makes this comment that basically, I will arrest people
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: if they obstruct even Care Ambassador Gavin Newsom. That becomes
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: a news cycle. He kind of walks it back, right?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: He's like, I wasn't saying specifically them. I'm just simply expressing...
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: that if you break the law, no matter who you are,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to arrest you now. Obviously, the way that
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: they would exercise that is extreme. But he does that
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: kind of semi-correction, and then Trump just undercuts it immediately. No,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: we should arrest him.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: We should say too that, uh, you know, the mayor
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: of Newark, Roz Baraka, not only were his charges dismissed,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: but the judge yelled at the prosecutors, um, even like, oh,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you're dismissing the charges now after you arrested him because
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of course they're crazy. So, you know, some good news
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: there that I think arresting public officials for no reason
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: whatsoever is is probably not going to work out in
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Trump's favor, which is why I'm sure Newsom was like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: go ahead, come make my day, arrest me.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess like a Newsom mugshot, I think, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: then interviewing Charlie Kirk kind of cancel each other out.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I think he had a good mugshot. I think he
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: wants it. I think it would be good for him.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Should he do like the glare, like face down? Think
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: about your face.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Someone on Twitter said, I think these two can work
• 20:29
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about how Democrats and the broader Trump opposition
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: are reacting to these immigration raids. Clearly, Trump and Miller
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the assholes love seeing images of
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: burning cars and violent protesters waving Mexican flags. Clearly, Democratic
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: officials can't control what random anarchist morons do. and have
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: all pleaded with protesters to remain peaceful. That said, are
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: these protests a good idea? Could they be better organized?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Could they be better messaged? What do you guys think?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like what we're seeing is kind of three
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: kinds of protests. You have spontaneous demonstrations where there are
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: ICE raids. We've seen that across the country. That kicked
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: off with, or at least became sort of, I think,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: more kind of in the public awareness when that started
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: in San Diego. Then you have like massive nonviolent organized
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: protests led by unions, led by progressive organizations. And then
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: you have, I think, people taking advantage of these moments
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and that are more anarchistic, not interested in being part
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: of any kind of movement, have no real political goals,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: just sort of in for the fight that pops up
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: every time you have any kind of large scale protest movement.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I like the spontaneous protests at ICE raids, I think
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: are really important. I think it registers community disapproval. It
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: draws attention to what the administration is actually doing versus
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: their rhetoric. And I do think this is going to
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: become increasingly important. If there is community response in this way,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: it means that the raids will have to be conducted
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: with more personnel and more resources. It just makes their
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: job practically more difficult to conduct the level of raids
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: that they want. Now, those images won't always, I think,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: be the kind of images we would say are like
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the pristine, perfect messaging to reach undecided voters. But What
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: we've seen, and this is true in the civil rights movement,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: is that the specific tactics of a protest or a
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: movement don't need to be popular to be helpful in
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: reshaping a public debate in a positive way. And so
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I think all the attention on what the administration is
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: doing at a Home Depot, at a restaurant, whatever happens
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: in those specific cases, which is not up to any
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: kind of, you know, there's no message discipline for a
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: mass response, ultimately nets to people understanding what the administration
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: is doing.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, these protests are rarely popular in the moment,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: but they're incredibly powerful when they are nonviolent, have clear
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: goals and are so big that they're impossible to ignore.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And I have a huge amount of respect for anyone
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: who goes to a protest and especially the people who
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: put their bodies on the line and physical safety on
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the line and their legal status on the line to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: be a part of a protest. But obviously there are
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: smart and dumb ways to do it. We don't need
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to repeat that burning a Waymo is not smart, right?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Just think to yourself, Is Stephen Miller going to be
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: delighted or unhappy about what I'm doing right now and then,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you know, act accordingly? The one thing I just have
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: noticed about protest movements, especially on the left over the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: last decade or so, is at some point it became
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: an article of faith in progressive movements that every movement
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: has to be about every one of a large bucket
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of issues. And I think it was a sort of
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: a misunderstanding of the concept of intersectionality, which is a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: phrase that was coined in academic literature in the 80s
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: about Overlapping power structures that led to discrimination. But it,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's evolved to mean progressive organizations or movements
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: think they have to talk about every one of a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: big bucket of issues because the issues are connected. Even
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: if the organization was founded to do one thing and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: not talk about another. And I think that is wrong. Like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I think you need your movement to be focused on
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: a specific outcome and designed to be as broad as
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: possible to bring in as many people as possible. For example,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: The largest and most powerful movement to combat climate change
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: should not force all the people who are a part
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of it to agree on Gaza. And the most effective
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: movement to end the war in Gaza should include people
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: on the left and like the isolationist right like Thomas
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Massey who agree on Gaza but disagree on climate change.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And I think– Are you referencing some of the Palestinian
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: flags that we saw in some of these protests?
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Like you just see– different signage and flags and representations
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: of different issues pop up everywhere. And it just, I
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: think people are probably doing it in good faith, but
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it muddles the message and it just gets plucked up
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: by Fox News and right-wing organizations and coded as scary left.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And like you said, there's no controlling who attends a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: protest or what people say there. And we shouldn't pretend
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that we can try or act like we have to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: take ownership for over over the comments from every asshole
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: at a Democratic protest because Republicans certainly don't own everything
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: said at a MAGA rally. But it is frustrating. Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I think we can't control or do anything about, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: random anarchists, morons causing violence and chaos. And, you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: we can plead with people to stop when they get
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: arrested for it. You should say, yeah, of course they
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: should be arrested if they're breaking the law, right? I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: think what happens is, like, if there isn't a big, loud, organized,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: peaceful protest movement that is explicitly committed to nonviolence as
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: not just a political strategy, but a moral imperative, the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: vacuum is filled with what the right and Trump and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: all those people want to say the protests are about
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and the more violent, chaotic protesters. And so part of
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: this speaks for need of For like us to, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone's been trying to build an opposition since
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Trump came back into power of like a real organized
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: peaceful protest movement. Kind of, I mean, and you saw
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that today when you went down there and we've seen
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that in other parts of the country, like throughout the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: last couple of months, it's starting to build, but This just,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I think, highlights the need for it because it's really
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: hard to break through with a peaceful, organized protest because
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it's not as exciting to cover.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: And the right certainly doesn't want to cover it. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump doesn't want to acknowledge it. And neither does
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Stephen Miller or any of those people. But that just
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: means that it has to be even bigger and even louder.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And it has to again, you have to repeat over
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and over again that nonviolence is the strategy here.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: Because.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You're right that, you know, the civil rights movement, a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: lot of that was not very popular when it was happening.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: But by the time you get to Selma and there
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: was incredible violence visited upon the protesters at Selma, but
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: because they believed in nonviolence as a strategy, they did
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: not fight back. Polls taken right after Selma showed people overwhelmingly,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: including white people, a plurality of white people, on the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: side of the protesters at Selma, not on the side.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And that's what actually turned it. Now, that took a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: long time, but like it just it requires a level
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of discipline to that I think we have not had
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to maintain yet.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I think part of it too is the answer, right, is, oh,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you think that these protests need to be bigger and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: they need to have a more clear nonviolent message. And
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: that needs to be obvious that it represents the vast,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: vast majority of people participating. You're not going to get
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: that by posting about it or beseeching people online. You
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: got to show up. And like, you know, the protest
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I was at today, far bigger than any of the
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: more violent demonstrations. It was a bunch of different people
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And also, by the way, the message was very clear.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: It was about freeing a man who represented the kind
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: of overreach that the Trump administration was demonstrating in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: raids it conducted over the weekend and in the arrests
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and in the deploying of the National Guard and now
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the Marines. But the way we show that this movement
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: is largely peaceful, nonviolent, with specific goals and aims is
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: for everyone to come be a part of it and
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: show just by numbers. And so like what I hope
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: comes over the next, like this is what we're seeing
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: right now is I think the first phase of how
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: we kind of respond to Trump. It is a mix
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: of protest as awareness raising, as demonstrating power and community,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: and also about specific practical actions to slow or stop
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the administration and what it's trying to do. And we
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: just have to keep building that muscle. I think the
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: unions are going to be central to this. I think
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: it's really powerful when you see people just saying, stop
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: arresting workers, when it's about people's jobs, whether they're undocumented
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: or not, whether in the union or not. These are
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: not criminals. These are neighbors. These are people just showing
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: up to get work. I think that's really powerful. It
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: was powerful when the leader of the building trade spoke
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: out on behalf of Kilmar Abrego Garcia. And I think
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: we got to figure out how to let Those unions
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: and those moments kind of become a nexus where more
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: and more people feel obligated to show up and participate.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And know what you're getting yourself into, right? One challenge
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: with these immigration raids, and this is different than shipping
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: people off to Seacott without a trial, is the president
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: has broad authority to detain and ultimately deport people who
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: are undocumented. And you also can get arrested if you
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: impede federal law enforcement, including ICE agents, from carrying out
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: their operation. And this is how they're getting people. This
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: is what they're charging David Huerta with, some other people.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So you stand in front of a building that ICE
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: is trying to raid, you're going to get arrested for that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And they do have the authority to do that. So
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: there's peaceful protests. There's a whole good reason for them
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to be peaceful. But unless you want to be arrested
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: because it's civil disobedience, you should know what you're getting into.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: The other part of it too is, you know, if
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: you go back to the protest of the Iraq war
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: in 2003, a whole range of messages, I'm sure some
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: of which would have been seen as incredibly unpopular. You're
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: at a protest today. It's a mix of people saying,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: uphold the constitution, abolish ICE, get ICE out of LA,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: whatever kind of, it's just going to be a wide
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: range of messages, some good, some, you know, less polling well,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: whatever the fuck. But What you really need is for
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: the leaders and organizations all to kind of have a
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: clear set of goals that they're kind of rallying around.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And that becomes the kind of middle of the message.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: And there are people on other sides of it saying
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff, but there needs to be a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: clear kind of tentpole goal.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: That's the more important conversation to be having on social
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: media and through the press, because it is both frustrating
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and sort of funny that, like, People who are listening
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to us right now, people who are reading pieces in
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: The Atlantic and The New York Times and social media,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: they're probably not the people who are lighting the Waymos
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: on fire. So when everyone's giving warnings, they're like, we
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: must be peaceful and don't do this. It's like, yeah,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: everyone you're talking to is good. And the people who
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: are lighting the Waymos on fire probably aren't like looking
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: through The Atlantic at the latest piece about how. we're
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: giving Trump everything he wants.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Have you heard in the Daily? Put that Molotov cocktail away.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: The big Apple Bomb stands, I think, down there.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Also, by the way, there's all this like, oh, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: wave the American, people on Twitter saying wave the American flag,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: don't wave the Mexican flag.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, fine.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: But like, if you're at these protests, there's a whole
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: bunch of flags. They're American flags. They're Mexican flags. And like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: it is fucking like, people can be proud of being
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Mexican and want America to be a great place that
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: is their home. It's like, it's all a little bit like.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: But again, it's like, I see that on Twitter. People
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, the Mexican, like, What do you want
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Democrats to do about it? You want to go to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the protests, rip the Mexican flags out of people's hands
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and stick in America? We can't organize. Like, what are
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you talking about?
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: You can be proud to be Mexican in America. You
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: can be proud to be Jewish. You can be proud to.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Be whatever you want to be. Irish people in Boston.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: All right. So if the confrontation in L.A. hadn't happened,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the immigration story right now would be the news that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the administration has brought Kilmar Obrego Garcia back to the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: United States, despite arguing in court and in public for
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: more than two months that it could do no such thing.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Abrego Garcia will not, however, be given the chance to
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: challenge his removal in court. Instead, he's behind bars and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: facing federal human trafficking charges brought by the U.S. attorney
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: in Nashville. His lawyers are asking a judge to hold
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the federal government in contempt anyway, saying the charges are
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: made up and that the government is just trying to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: save face. We also know that a top federal prosecutor
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in Tennessee resigned over the decision to seek the indictment
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: in the first place. First of all, what do we
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: know about the details of the indictment and how likely
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: is Are these charges to stick, do you think?
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's important to separate out details
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: in the indictment from what he was charged with because
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: initially when I read all the reporting on it, I
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my God, this is horrible. This guy's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: like a kingpin. And then you get into it and
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the federal grand jury only charged him with conspiracy to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: transport and the transportation of undocumented migrants. It is all
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: around that one traffic stop we've seen videos of. But
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the prosecutors use the indictment to make all these allegations
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: about guns, drugs, trafficking, violent acts. And then Pam Bondi
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: gets up at the podium and she accused Abrego Garcia
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of trying to solicit nude images from a minor and
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: helping to kill another gang member's mother. But none of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that was part of the indictment, which is completely inappropriate
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: for a prosecutor to do. So I think just like
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: stepping back, no one should trust this DOJ or administration
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: at all. A lot of the facts here seem to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: come from these alleged co-conspirators who are listed in the
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: listed like CC1, CC2.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Mainly one. I was really reading it. It's like they
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: got one guy, clearly.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: And that guy's probably in jail.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And jailhouse informants have a tendency to lie if it
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: helps their case or helps them get leniency. So I
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: want to see the evidence. He should be tried in
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: a court. He should be a jury, should decide what
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: happens next. It is pretty notable, though, that this prosecutor
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: in Tennessee resigned rather than bring these charges. It's also
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: pretty clear that they gathered this, they put a ton
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: of resources behind gathering all this information and all that
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: happened after they sent this dude to El Salvador to
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: rot in a prison. So like none of it makes
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it okay. And by the way, when Greg Abbott sends
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking, you know, undocumented people from Texas
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to other States, he is treated like a conservative hero.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Not a trafficker.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Not a trafficker, I guess. But anyway. Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I just, we can't trust this indictment. We can't trust
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: this administration. Look, we have, we have no fucking idea,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: but we should assume this is a political prosecution. That's
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: why this guy resigned over it. We have no idea
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: where this information is coming from. By the way, is
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: it coming from the United States? Is it coming from
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: fucking Sikant via Bukele? We have no idea. All we
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: know is that they spent weeks trying to get to
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: this point because if they were going to bring him
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: back as ordered by a court, they wanted to do
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: it with this indictment so they could wave it in
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: the faces of the woke mob. So I just think
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: we have to.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Wait and see.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And they had the legal authority to deport him to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: a country other than El Salvador at the start. They
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: chose not to do that. They also, if they they
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: could have brought these chargers, these human trafficking charges at
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: any time in the last several years. It was based
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: on a traffic stop in Tennessee in 2022, which is
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: why this is happening in Nashville. And they pulled them over.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: They saw that he had a bunch of people in
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the car. They didn't have luggage. The cops that pulled
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: them over was like, maybe is it, he says he's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: bringing these guys to a job or they undocumented, but
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: they let him go and did not charge him. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: so now they've gone back and they basically have, they
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: have the traffic stop and they have this one co-conspirator
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: who's been talking so that you can tell from the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: indictment they don't have a lot it's like a lot
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it's an overly written indictment that's suggesting a lot of
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: things but there's not a lot of but we'll see.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: The attorney general the united states going on television to
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: say a bunch of shit that is not actually charged
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: that is insane insane.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: But the broader point i think that's salient here is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: if he if there is evidence and if a jury
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: convicts him then like that's due process that is what
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: everyone was asking for that's what his family was asking
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: for and the idea that They could just send him
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to Seacott and then they couldn't do anything to get
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: him back after we were assured. Pam Bondi was like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: he's not coming back to the United States. Christine Noem
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: said he's never coming back to the United States. Stephen
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Miller said he's never coming back. And then sure enough,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Bukele was like, oh, I'm not going to, I don't
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: want to send him back. And then Bukele has this
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: weird tweet where he's like, well, I said I wouldn't
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: smuggle a terrorist back. But because they asked for him, sure,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. So they are, they're all
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: lying there. You know, it's a fucking farce.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just, it's just for the same thing.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: They can bring, you know, they've tried to make all
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: kinds of claims about Kilmer, Gabriel Garcia. They made no
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: such claims about Andre Hernandez, Romero. I mean, they've claimed
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: his social media shows in a gang, which is made
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: up of bullshit. They can bring Andre back whenever they want.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: That is the main takeaway from this. They can bring
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: him back whenever.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: And a lot of others.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: And a lot of others.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do think this opens them up to
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like a court's going to say, OK, you brought him back.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Where's Andre? Where's all these other people that mistakenly– there's
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: another one that they admitted to mistakenly sending to the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: wrong place. So it's probably not going to help them
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: in court here.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I do think they probably saw that they were going
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: to lose in court ultimately. They didn't want that fight.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: So they're like, let's bring this guy home. Let's figure
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: out a pretext. And they threw all these resources at
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: gathering this spurious information to throw into an indictment. So
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that doesn't directly help Andre and others who are still
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: rotting in hell in El Salvador, but it does suggest
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: that public attention and legal pressure helps and is important. Yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: very good point. On the Bukele point, I just think
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: this is a complicated story, but I do think it's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: worth talking about and Democrats talking about it, like why
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: this partnership with El Salvador is not actually a good thing.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: It's actually disgusting and it's going to benefit gangs, which
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: is that Trump wants us to be about being tough
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: on MS-13. So he says, okay, so to be tough
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: on MS-13 and these gangs, I cut a deal with
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Nayib Bukele and president of El Salvador, to send these
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador to rot in this hellish
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: prison there. But according to federal prosecutors here in the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: United States, Bukele's political rise was built on working with
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the exact gangs that Trump says he is getting tough on.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: The gist of the deal was these gangs rounded up
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: votes for Bukele in El Salvador. In return, they got
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: special favors and they agreed basically not to leave the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: bodies of the people they murdered in the streets, which
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: is what they had been doing before. Now they just
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: do forced disappearances. So Bukele is getting a political benefit
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: by essentially allowing people to be disappeared. So nine of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the highest ranking MS-13 leaders are on trial in New
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: York for terrorism charges. Part of that indictment mentions their
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: work with Bukele. According to lots of news reports, one
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: of the reasons Bukele made this deal was to try
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to get those leaders back from the U.S. so that
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: they cannot testify against him. One of them was already
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: sent home. There's a report that the court documents say
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Trump is willing to negotiate to get the rest back
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and consider dropping charges on them. So I just think
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: like Democrats who want to fight on this, it's not
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: like we're standing up for Obrego Garcia or not. It's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: that Trump is holding this up as a new model
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: to combat gangs and organized crime, when in reality, this
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: is Trump cutting a dirty deal with a dirty leader
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: who is an accomplice and beneficiary of these gangs and
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the shit they do.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: He wants to be like leader of the world's autocracies.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: That's what he's trying to do, instead of leader of
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the free world. I mean, he's like, it's Bukele's one,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: so he's looking for these you know, South American, Central American,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: wherever you can find them, Eastern European tin pot dictators
• 40:24
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about another immigrant who Trump may
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: send to Seacott, Elon Musk. So the three of us
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: haven't had a chance, guys, to talk about the breakup
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of the year. And there were a few developments over
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the weekend. Elon appears to have deleted his Epstein file
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: tweet and the one calling for Trump's impeachment without explanation.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: But it seems like Trump didn't notice or care. He
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: told NBC on Saturday that he has no desire to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: mend fences, that he, quote, assumes their relationship is over,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and that Elon would face, quote, serious consequences if he
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: tried to fund Democrats running against Republicans who vote for
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Trump's bill, as Elon threatened he would. Trump was asked
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: about Elon again on Monday, and he seemed to soften
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: his tone just a bit.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Let's listen.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: On Elon Musk, do you plan to speak to him
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: on the phone anytime soon?
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I haven't really thought about it, actually. I would imagine
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: he wants to speak to me. I would think so.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: If I were him, I'd want to speak to me,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: but maybe he's already called. You'd have to ask him
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: whether or not he's already called, but I'd have no
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: problem with it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Tommy, I was so sad you were on vacation when
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: this went down. I was like, bothering you on vacation.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that you missed this.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: What was the famous tweet? Like I was just in
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: hipster coffee shop and they were all talking about how
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: great Trump is. Okay. So I was at a wedding
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: in France. I was cruising around Provence. I was in
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: hotels and looking at like foreign newspapers, literally I overheard
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: people being, uh, we, you know, most people, like it
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: was being talked about everywhere.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: It was a cover of every fucking paper. Was it
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Bridget McQueen? Uh, no, it is a distraction from me
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: getting hit in the face.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I asked, I asked a cab driver if he liked, uh,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: macaron and he said, uh, he wanted Napoleon to come
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: back to France and, to take him out because he'd
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: done a great job setting up the sycamore trees along
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the avenues for his troops.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Tomas Friedman here.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Tomas Friedman. It was like, it was everywhere. It was
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: an all-consuming global international story.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So what is your take? Give us your take on
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. What, you think these guys are going
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to be friends again at some point or what?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Like it's too narcissist with a marriage of convenience. So
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: probably right. I mean, the question I have is, is
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Trump going to go full Putin? And is he going
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: to start treating his oligarchs like an ATM machine? I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: want to see if that is going to happen because
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you on pledge, I think a hundred million dollars to
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Trump aligned super PACs and causes. And I wondered, is.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: You know, Trump going to start to squeeze Elon. If
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that check doesn't clear, is that price going to go up?
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Like who knows? Um, another point that was clear that
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: we all knew is that these people are just children.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: The most powerful people in the world are fucking children
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and they are mentally unstable and yet they're making all
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: these decisions. And the other thought I had reading the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: story was if Elon Musk had put out a statement
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that said the New York Times report about my ketamine
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: abuse was 100% accurate, it would not have done a
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: better job of confirming that reporting than his behavior over
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the past few days. It was completely out of control.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Well, and we're learning from, so the New York Times,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Washington Post, the Atlantic all did sort of longer pieces
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes of how the relationship unraveled. And we
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: learned that Trump thinks he is a drug addict, that
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: he was using drugs, that Trump thinks he's a child,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: that the relationship broke down over many things, but especially
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: over after Trump gave him that send off in the
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oval where he gave them the key. the key to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the White House, which I guess he must have changed
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: the locks already now. After that, they left and someone
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: had handed Trump a folder of information and it was
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: about the nominee to head NASA that it was Elon's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: buddy who had been at SpaceX. And Trump was like, look,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: he donated to all these Democrats. And it was like
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a room full of people and Elon and Trump basically
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: embarrasses Elon in front of everyone by saying we're pulling
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: his nomination. And Elon was like very mad about that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And so and it's that combined with Elon thinking, I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: didn't get as much as I wanted out of Doge.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And now it's all being erased because there's going to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: be a bill that adds trillions to the deficit. So
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: it matters even less. And so all of this sort
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: of led to Elon being pissy about this.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I wish it mattered less how these
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: guys get along.
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: There's a it's funny because it's like, oh, yeah, there
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: has been a lot of reporting about ketamine. just doesn't
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: have a kind of, Elon's tweets do not have a
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: ketamine vibe. They have other drug vibes, kind of like
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: an upper vibe.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Well, there was some Adderall in that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Adderall in the story, too. That wouldn't surprise you. Yeah,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: he went to fucking 10. I was sort of just
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: thinking about it, like, kind of with some time, and,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you know, it's Trump saying, like, I won't call him,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: but he could call me. Like, I do think, like, 30,000 feet,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Elon needs Trump more than Trump needs him, right? Would
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: you rather have Trump on your side or Elon Musk
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: as a Republican?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: It's no question.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: It's Trump.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Would Trump like to have hundreds of million dollars dumped
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: into various political operations?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: But Elon Musk needs the hundreds of millions from the
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: federal government much more. So it doesn't surprise me that
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: we've seen Musk slowly kind of calming down. I mean,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: these are very fragile men that cannot handle an ego
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: bruise like this, right? To be embarrassed in front of people.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: It is a kind of immovable object versus an unstoppable
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: force in terms of their fucking narcissism. Reminds me of
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Dorinda and Luann. when Dorinda insulted Luann and didn't want
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: to apologize. And so she didn't even get to go
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: to the lobster bake.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: That's tough.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: That sucks. I totally buy that Elon was furious about
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Jared Isaacman, who was the next NASA administrator getting his
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: nomination tanked because Elon and SpaceX are wholly dependent on
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: NASA choosing them to be there. launcher of choice.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Well, they want to go to Mars and NASA wants
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to go to the moon again. And so this was
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: the big divide.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Men want to go to, anyway. I buy that the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: EV tax credits getting stripped out of the big, beautiful
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: bill upset Elon because again, that speaks to his financial
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: bottom line. I don't buy for a second that Elon
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: really cares about the deficit or debt. I think he's
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: like made this part of his identity because he wanted
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: to be the doge bag in chief and now he
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: feels humiliated. But yeah, like clearly there was a huge
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: piece of ego here.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I could buy that it's something that the all in
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: besties and Elon and some of the Silicon Valley types
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: care about just because it affects interest rates and they
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: like to borrow money and all this bullshit. But like
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: so it's still a selfish reason. I don't think it's
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like some.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. But like, you know, look, he
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: he has put his ego like. It can be selfish
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: insofar as he has staked his personal reputation on cutting
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: the deficit. And so look, he would have been better
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: off not posting kill the beautiful bill. He did not
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: benefit personally from posting that. Tesla stock tanked. It caused
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: this whole rift. He would have been better off shutting
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: up about that. And so he did, I think, stake
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: his personal reputation on stopping this bill and reducing the deficit.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: It's just that it's all kind of fucked up because
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: it's personal.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's egotistical.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: There does seem to be uh, drugs involved. And so
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: you're like, everything is at a 10.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Did you see, um, JD Vance went on Theo Vaughn
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: as this was happening and Theo Vaughn reads him the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: tweet and JD's like, Ooh, I, Oh, I had not
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: seen that.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Just like cash, uh, cash Patel on Joe Rogan hearing
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: it for the first time too.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Why is our FBI director doing Joe Rogan?
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: That was my— These guys have 10-year terms. They're not
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: supposed to talk to the press. Oh, yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Put that on the list. Put that on the list. Hey,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: the norms we've got to bring back after.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: We need the norms.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: One connection just between what Elon's doing and what Vance
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: is doing and the protest is they've now turned— You've
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: seen Miller do this.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: J.D.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Vance have done this. They're now saying, stop the invasion,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: pass the one big, beautiful bill. They're trying to make
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: the kind of the immigration money. That's a small part
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: of the spending in this bill, the kind of the
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: next argument for why they need to pass it, which is,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: of course, bullshit. But I just think it's worth noting
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: that they think this is that they're trying to use
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: these protests, not just to stir whatever animus they can
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: on immigration, but to help them pass this bill.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't like to last little thought. Just the fact. The
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Epstein piece of this is notable. I think like Elon
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: accuses Trump says he's on the Epstein list. Then he
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: deletes the tweet. It just, it speaks to the fact,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and we all know this, but it's worth repeating that
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: these guys don't care about the victims at all. They
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit about Jeffrey Epstein's victims or the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: people harmed. This is all about going after Bill Clinton
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: or whatever other Democrat they think they can harm as
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: part of the release of these files. They know that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein. They do not care.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: They're just angry that like Dan Bongino and Kash Patel
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: are now telling them that they're like weird Epstein fantasies
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: are not going to be fulfilled with some, you know,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: cache of video files somewhere of Bill Clinton, you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: doing stuff.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Doing whatever. Also, when Trump at this event today was
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: just like, you know, I just we had a great
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: relationship and I wish him well. I just I wish
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: him well. Someone posted that and then Elon responded with
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a heart. It's like, so it's a heart for the
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: guy you think you accused of being a pedophile and
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: said should be impeached. But now it's a heart. So
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: we should believe what you say and take you seriously.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: His position over the last week is I am singularly
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: responsible for electing a pedophile president of the United States.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: That's his official position.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Who I now want impeached because he was mad at
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: me and because of a bill that's going to increase
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the deficit. Fun side story here. There's also been lots
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: of speculation and memes about Katie Miller. the wife of
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Stephen Miller, who left her Doge post to keep working
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: for Elon in the private sector. And the House Democrats,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: they tweeted a chair in the corner of a room.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: That's all I'll say because I saw the tweet.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Anyone want to comment on that? Anyone want to comment
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: on that?
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I will say if Katie Miller is working, like when
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Katie Miller said she was going to go leave to
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: work for Elon and Stephen Miller was going to be
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: at the White House, that was like, they're a fucking
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: power couple.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Where the two leaders, you know, the two most powerful billionaire,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: the billionaire and the billionaire, one inside, one outside, were
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: working together. It's got to be a little bit weird
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: to have– you're both sort of– you're very, let's say, mission-oriented.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden your bosses are fighting
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: and you're working at cross-purposes.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, during all of his fashy tirades over the weekend,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Stephen Miller, one of his tweets was like, we will
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: take back America. And someone posted an Elon quote tweet
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of that saying, I already took your wife. And then
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: it said deleted. And someone asked Grok if it was real.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: And Grok said it was real. And then Elon had
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to correct Grok that it wasn't real.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: His own dumbass AI had to get corrected by the
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: founder of the company.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Look, live by the Grok, die by the Grok.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Elon unfollowed, then re-followed Stephen Miller on Monday.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: So that's big.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Just to continue with the Real Housewives theme there.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Greatest country in the world. Most powerful nation in history.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: There's one person unlikely to reconcile with Miller, and that's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the journalist Terry Moran. ABC News suspended Moran on Sunday
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: after he posted, then deleted a tweet where he called
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Stephen Miller, quote, a man who was richly endowed with
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: the capacity for hatred. I had to say that fast.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to just leave that hanging. And he
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: also called him a, quote, a world-class hater. Normally, this
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: would have come and gone with the avalanche of tweets,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: but Trump allies like J.D. Vance chose to single Moran out,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: calling his post a, quote, absolutely vile smear that was, quote,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: dripping with hatred for Miller. And now Terry Moran has
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: been suspended. What do you guys make of that situation?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Again, J.D. Vance calls that an absolutely vile smear, but
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: he has not a lot to say about Elon Musk
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: accusing his own boss of being on the Epstein list.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It just shows what a game this is to all
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: these people. Like, they just, they, yeah, Terry Moran Probably
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have tweeted that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: It had a little rosé in one hand, phone in
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: the other vibe. I was like, I'm into it. Go wild.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, Terry, welcome to the resistance. I had
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: retweeted on that as well.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: You probably fucked them.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Not to get them in trouble.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: It was fantastically written. It was spot on. I guarantee
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: you that Stephen Miller will print it out. He'll have
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: it framed. It will end up put on the wall
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: in his office at some point. He'll view it as
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: a badge of honor. Because he is a world-class hater.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: He is full of invective and hatred and has been
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: for a long time.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: He's proud of us. He's a proud asshole. Also, what
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a baby. Like, oh, no, you made fun of me
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and now I got to get my way. I was
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: to get talked to his boss. It's so embarrassing.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: It's like they're canceling it. They want to get this
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: guy canceled. And now it's just from the White House podium.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: We're going to get this guy canceled. I do think
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: you can see that just by looking at him because
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: you can see that his hatreds are his spiritual nourishment.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: He eats his hate. Like, what is going on? It
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: was like an Italian Marxist writing from jail. It was
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: like wild.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: All very good points.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: It rang true. Again, you know, Terry just did a
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: pretty effective interview with Donald Trump recently where he was
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: pretty hardened and imagining the response from the White House
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: is coming from that more than the tweet itself. But yeah,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: led with his chin there a bit. All right.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: So while the Republicans have Trump versus Elon, Democrats have
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: a much lamer internal feud going on right now. DNC
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Vice Chair David Hogg versus others at the DNC.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like mad that we're finally covering this because I
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: had to finally find out what the fuck is going on.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I was like annoyed.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Me too. I mean, I sort of knew. It's actually,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: it turns out, When I dug into it, I'm like, oh,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: it's not much more than I already.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: That's the other thing, too. It's like, there must be
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: more to it.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: There's not.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: There's much less than meets the eye, it turns out.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Right, that was interesting. That was a discovery.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: So this all started when Hogg announced in April that
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: his organization, Leaders We Deserve, would funnel $ 20 million towards
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: younger challengers to entrench Democratic incumbents in safe districts. Then
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, Politico's Holly Otterbein published audio from a May
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: 15th Zoom call between party leaders... Here's DNC Chair Ken
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Martin addressing Hogg and the controversy.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: The other night I said to myself for the first time,
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: I don't know if I want to do this anymore.
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: And again, I don't think you intended this, but you
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: essentially destroyed any chance I have to show the leadership
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: that I need to. So it's really frustrating.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Only thing worse than a Zoom call is a sad
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Zoom call. And a leaked Zoom call. What do you
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: guys think?
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: There was– Nora Ephron once told a story about being
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: with Steve Wynn, who was having vision problems, the moment
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: he accidentally put his elbow through a multimillion-dollar painting. And
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: she said that she felt as though she had witnessed
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: an intimate moment, something she wasn't meant to have seen,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: and everyone just felt so embarrassed. They didn't know what
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: to do because he was trying to cover for it,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: but everyone knew how kind of– and he said something like, oh,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: I'm glad I'm the one that did that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I felt a bit like that listening to this call.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: This is an intimate moment that I don't really wish
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: to be a part of. I'm sorry that I've heard this.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: I wish I never had.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: It sounded like couples therapy. It really did. I want
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: to say first, David Hogg, I don't know, Ken Martin,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: David Hogg's been on the show. We worked with him
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: on political things. He's a super nice guy. He's been
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: really helpful to us. I'm not trying to be pejorative here,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: but I think, first of all, my big takeaway from
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: hearing all of this is if in this moment we
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: as Democrats can't get our shit together- at the DNC,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: everyone should just quit. Everyone should resign and we should
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: start over because like, this is crazy that we are
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: this ineffective and rudderless at the DNC in this moment.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: On David's specific thing of primarying all these incumbents. I mean,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: when they pitched him coming on the show to talk
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: about it, my response, I think all of our response
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: was like, well, which incumbents, right? Like I'm totally open
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: to primaries of people that are bad at the job, ineffective,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: too conservative or too liberal for the, like whatever it
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: might be, but we can't just primary people because of
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: their age.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Just for the fun.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Or suggest that like all young people are inherently better lawmakers.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Like I want a younger party. I want more young
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: elected officials. I want more digitally needed people who are
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: good at communicating. But like, there's great older representatives and senators.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I just think the devil's in the details, right? Like
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: on the one hand, we've got The eight most recent
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: members of Congress to die were all Democrats who were
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: pretty old. On the other hand, that before she announced
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: she was retiring, they said they weren't going to challenge
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Jan Schakowsky.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi is not on the list.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: She's in her 80s.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: And I understand that if you want to spend $ 20
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: million to primary Democrats, that's great. I understand people inside
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: the DNC saying this is not the right place from
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: which to do that.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand Ken Martin's frustration.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: He's new at the job.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: He's trying to rebuild basically a party that's gone through
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: some things. I want to know from it sounds like
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of animosity towards David Hogg that is
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: like more than we know publicly. It has to be because,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: like you said, like I could see why they'd be
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: annoyed with him. But sort of the level of annoyance
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: towards him from a lot of folks at the DNC
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and like people in the party that I respect. I
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: feel like there's something else there that we don't really
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: know what's going on. Maybe people will tell us after this.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: But I also think that, you know, they're also all
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: accusing David Hogg of leaking. the Zoom call and leaking
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the audio. And then David decided to screenshot Holly's from Politico,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: all her texts to him, asking him to comment on
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the tape and the story. And he's not responding. So
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: he's trying to leak that to prove that he didn't leak,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: which is also pretty tough when you're doing that. And
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: people don't believe him anyway. They think that they're going
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to vote this week, I believe, to decide whether to
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: hold a new election for DNC vice chair. Right now,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: it's David Hogg and Malcolm Kenyatta. And then there were
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: three women elected. who were running against them, but there's
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: supposed to be rules for gender parity in some of
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the officers. Yeah, and so that was originally what the re-election,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: what the re-vote might have been responsible for, but now
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: they don't know. Now people think it's more about Hogg,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: and if they re-vote, will he lose because now people
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: are pissed at him? It's just a lot of messy
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: drama that I feel like we don't need.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: It's sort of funny, too. It's just sort of like, oh, wow,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: the DNC is really going to take the knives out.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: They're going to fuck this guy, David Hogg, and replace
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: him because they're mad. That's how a party should work. Oh,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: they're doing it for gender parity? It's like, okay, I guess.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: But it's like, I wish it was just more out
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: in the open. Like, what are we doing here?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of people feel like there is a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: leadership vacuum in the Democratic Party right now. There's a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: big article over the weekend about where's Obama, right? Like,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: everyone's sort of scrambling about for who in this moment
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: can step up and lead and communicate for us. That
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: leadership is not going to come from the DNC. It's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: not going to come from Ken Martin. It probably wouldn't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: have come from Ben Wickler if he'd won, right? It's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: going to come from the guy standing on top of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the burning Waymo with the flag.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: That's our next DNC chair right there.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't come into a gut feel near you.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: We gave him so much material.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I know. But again, the place needs to be run competently.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: We need someone doing the nuts and bolts of organizing
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: and infrastructure, technology investments, like raising money. And if we're
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: crying at the Zoom calls. Like that's a bad place
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Well, this is my, like, I do think that the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: DNC chair position, like Ken Martin's got a lot of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: work to do. Like you just said, all the internal work,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the rebuilding, and he's been doing that for years in
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have Fox News on in our office 24 seven.
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  Speaker 2: Riley Gaines was booked today. You would think that Joe
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  Speaker 3: And then once in a while, one of us. For
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  Speaker 2: So let's just not give them more fodder. This, we
• 1:02:07
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  Speaker 2: Our guest today is the governor of California, Gavin Newsom.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining the show.
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  Speaker 6: Good to be with you.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: So governor, we talked earlier in the show about the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: protests over the weekend, the incidents of violence, President Trump
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: taking over and deploying the California National Guard. We are
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: talking now at about 4 p.m. Pacific on Monday. So far,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: the protests today have seemed to be pretty peaceful and calm.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think things are now under control?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: For the moment, but they're not about to be. He
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: just called up another 2,000 National Guard, so it's now 4,000.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: And we're getting word that he's looking to operationalize that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: relationship and advance significantly larger scale ICE operations in partnership
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: and collaboration with the National Guard. We're on the other
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: side now of the red line. And I haven't even
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: mentioned the self-evident major escalation, which is next level. And
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: that is the Secretary of Defense just moments ago tweeting
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: out that he's, quote unquote, deploying 700 active military to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: Los Angeles. And unless... I, unless he'd just done it,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: I have not seen the Insurrection Act formally advanced, but
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: by definition, this would require the Insurrection Act. Yeah.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw you, you have now filed suit
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: to protest the federalizing of the California National Guard. These
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: 700 Marines were apparently being sent to Los Angeles. Is
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: there a legal avenue for you to challenge that deployment?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: Well, unless he opposes the Insurrection Act, just blatantly unconstitutional,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: it's not even a close call. And so we're going
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: to immediately try to seek a TRO, an injunction to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: stop this completely reckless, immoral, yes, but completely illegal and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: unconstitutional act. And I'll remind folks, this is an act
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: not just against the people here in Los Angeles, against
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: the people here in the state of California, but against
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: Americans all across this country, against the principles of our
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: founding father that did not live and die to watch
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: these authoritarian tendencies in action, and let me be now
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: even more specific. The absurdity of this cannot be understated.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: There were 2,000 National Guard that were, quote unquote, deployed,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: of which only 315 actually were mission assigned. 1,700 have
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: no particular role or responsibility. Yesterday, local law enforcement had
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: to protect the National Guard. The additional 2,000 National Guard
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: men and women that President Trump now is redeploying are
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: being taken away. It's the 79th Infantry. I know these
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: folks well. You know these folks well. These are the folks,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: these are the National Guard men and women that have
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: been out there protecting you here in Southern California during
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: the fires, after the fires. We are now taking many
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: of them off assignments on forest management, protecting vulnerable communities
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: against summer and wildfire season. We're removing them from task
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: forces that we've created to deal with fentanyl interdiction. I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: have 394 National Guard men and women down at the border.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: I imagine they may even be pulled for this theatrical
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: display of toughness by a president of the United States
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: who's unhinged and has now crossed a red line in
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: this country And he has nationalized this order. This is
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: not an order against this state. This is an order
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 6: that can be imposed now all across the United States.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I saw you release this statement with
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other Democratic governors who sort of span
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the political spectrum. I mean, what is your message to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: people living in 49 other states who think, eh, this
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: is just Trump going after crazy California where all the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: liberals are, like, we'll be fine?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: It's a preview of things to come. It's a coming attraction.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, look, I mean, I'm sure you guys have
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: been saying it. I mean, this is what he did
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: to create the conditions that led to the insurrection on
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: January 6th. In the Orwellian nature of this, how about this?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is the guy lecturing us about protecting
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: law enforcement that pardoned all the people that attack law
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: enforcement in our institution, democracy, symbolically and substantively. I mean,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: you can't make this stuff up. So we're at a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: remarkable moment. This, I think, is a much bigger moment
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 6: You know, I know I'm in the middle of it,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: so maybe I'm the last person to objectively make this case.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: I think it more objectively needs to be made. But
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: my sense is this is an even more profound moment
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: than it appears. We're on the other side now. Posse comitatus.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: the other side of truth and trust now with the military,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: turning the military against the American people. That's how people
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: feel out here. And the devastation for me is, again,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: I love these guys. I mean, I'm not making this up.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: I've been so proud to work with these guys as
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: commander in chief. as governor of the state of California, 18,000
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: of them that used to be under my command, 4,000
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: less today, doing extraordinary work, keeping people safe, good family
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: people live in our communities. And now they're pawns in
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: this game. And it's a very dangerous game.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Speaking of dangerous games, I mean, Trump's borders are Tom
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Homan threatened to arrest you. He later seemed to walk
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: that threat back. But then at a press conference earlier today,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: President Trump was asked what crime you committed And he said, quote,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: running for governor, which sounded to me like the president
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: of the United States suggesting that a governor of a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: state having different political views than him is a criminal act.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: What was your reaction to that statement?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: I talked to him on Friday night and he never
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: brought up the National Guard. It was a very, you know,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: that was unbelievably collaborative conversation. A few hours later, he
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: came out talking about new scum, etc., In essence, talk
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: about defunding California and then, of course, this assault on
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: the rule of law, decency, democracy, constitution. But I never,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: I mean this, I'm reacting to what you just asked,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: I never, ever imagined the president of the United States
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: of America ever saying that about a political opponent whose
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: crime is being elected and who happens to be governor
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 6: of the state of California. And this was day three
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: of these guys bloviating about arresting me. And I made
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: the point, can we just get it over with? So
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: you get your scalp, you can do your tough guy thing.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: You're strong. They're just weakness masquerading as strength. They're cosplaying.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, Kristi Noem, the same one who was on
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: with Press Secretary Sean Hannity just a few months ago,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: decrying the assault on freedom and her state rights because
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: Biden administration allegedly was looking at potentially federalizing her National Guard.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, this guy, Pete Hexa, literally just sending out
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: a tweet saying he's deploying Marines, these remarkable young men
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: and women on the streets of an American city, weaponizing
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: the Marine Corps against its own citizens just by the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: chill that it puts. And I just, I pray sanity
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: can take shape here. I pray that they do not
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: incite the kind of violence that they claim they seek
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: to avoid.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm asking this, but if you actually
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: are arrested, is there a plan for what happens?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: You know what's so absurd about that question is I've
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: actually thought about it. And the fact that I'm actually
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: answering it by saying I thought about it, and not
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: only did I think about it, that we've already processed
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: what that may look like. That if they do get
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: a federal warrant to arrest me, that the very act,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: if I chose to fly back to Sacramento from LA,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: could be grounds then for them actually having cause to arrest.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: The fact that we're even having that conversation with our
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: folks and have had that conversation with our folks in
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: the United States in 2025, I mean, says everything you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: need to know about who's in the White House right now.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, scary stuff. You had some harsh words for President
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Trump in this interview. In recent interviews called reckless, immoral,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: that he's putting people's lives at risk. There was a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: report last week that the Trump administration has been preparing
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: to cancel what CNN described as, quote, a large swath
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: of federal funding for California. So basically to punish the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: state of California for political views held by parts of
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: the state. Are you worried about retaliation by the White House?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, this is across the board defunding of police,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: public health. public safety, he wants to defund California. Sure,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: it's a larger assault on knowledge, an assault on culture,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: on speech, censoring historical facts, rewriting history, not even allowing
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: certain history to be taught, Pete Hex at West Point.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: These guys, this is different. So originally, to answer your question,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: originally we thought it was just continuation of an attack
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: on knowledge institutions of higher learning, the UCs, which have
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: more patents than any other system in the world. There's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: no Silicon Valley. There's no internet, GIS, GPS. I mean,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: go through the list. It's our conveyor belt for talents,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: economic engine of this country, these institutions of higher learning,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: pushing out the boundaries of discovery, research and development. It's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: a secret sauce. It's what defines the game we play
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: from the game played elsewhere, not just in California, United
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: States of America. So he's going to go after NSF funding.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: He's going to go after NIH funding. He's going to
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: go after some DOD grants. And we were told he
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: was going to do that at 7 a.m. East Coast
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: time on Friday. He delayed that. And now we understand
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: he delayed it because he wanted someone to go on
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: the computer and look at the prompt. And everywhere that
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: California appeared, he then wanted to take that line item.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: And if he had any discretion whatsoever, push the boundaries
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: of that, just eliminate the funding. So he's coming. This
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: was all happening before that first protest, before that first protest.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: So this is about something, it's about opposition. He's already
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: taken out Speaker Johnson. There's no second branch of government.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: There's no oversight coming from, they're gone right now. It's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: only up to us to take that back in 18
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: or so months. He's trying to take out judges that
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: he doesn't like and decisions he doesn't like. He's right
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: on the edge of that, or some would argue he's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: already crossed that line. but he wants to take out dissent.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: And the fact that we assert ourselves and we punch
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: above our weight, we filed over 22 lawsuits and counting,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: the fact that we use our moral authority, not just
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: formal authority, the fact that we have the audacity to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: get elected and disagree with them, this is what this
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: is all about. It's an authoritarian playbook. I hate that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: word because it's so loaded and people start to turn out,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: tune out, but just is by definition. Google it, look
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: it up. What's the definition? And we're experiencing it in
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: real time.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Well, and with also, look, what's strange about this is
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: my takeaway from watching him interact with you is that
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: he likes you. It might be a grudging respect, but,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I think he doesn't like people that cower
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: in front of him, like Speaker Johnson. He, I think,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: respects people that throw a punch. But it's surprising to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: me that you guys would have this 20-minute call and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: he would not bring up this imminent decision to federalize
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: the National Guard and then he would lie about it.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: And I think you said in an interview that he's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: lost it. He is not the same person I dealt
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: with four years ago.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: He's a different guy. And I mean, look, I still
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: revere the presidency. I said, I'm not going to break confidence.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: It's up to say, I mean, well, maybe your jaw
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: wouldn't drop about what we talked about because you know
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: this guy as well. I mean, we're sitting here. It's roughly,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: I don't know, 1.30. I don't remember what time it was,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: his time. And we're having the conversation we had. It just.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: I know it's, I say, you can't make it up.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: You kind of can't make it up, except it's kind
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: of familiar. And you kept trying to go back to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: the substance of the matter at hand. I was back
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: and forth with his chief of staff right before talking
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: to the mayor, talking about whatever needs they need. We
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: have abundance of law enforcement resources. I mean, LA County's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: got 88 cities. The vast majority of them have police departments.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: CHP has tactical teams and units. And we have mutual aid, well-established, Uh, and, uh, and,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: and we're in the process that first night of figuring
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: out what may be needed over the weekend, talking to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: his chief of staff in a collaborative way, uh, engaging
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: her directly. And, you know, I give Susie the benefit
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: of the doubt, Susie Wiles. And, and, and he calls
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: and I thought, all right, good. We can have now
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: a substantive conversation about this. Uh, we could talk as
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: well about why he may have delayed the defunding of California.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: No interest in any of those conversations. Well, and, uh,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: Which leads me to beg again the question, what the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: hell did you talk about? And maybe that's for a
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: memoir that I can write from prison.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope not. Speaking of memoirs from prison, Stephen Miller,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: he tweeted, LAPD has not been authorized to arrest the insurrectionists.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: They are just corralling them from one location to another.
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  Speaker 2: What authorization would LAPD need to arrest anyone committing a
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  Speaker 2: criminal act? What the hell is he talking about?
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  Speaker 6: Anyone that commits a crime should be held to account
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  Speaker 6: period full stop. I can't stand these antagonists. Some of
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  Speaker 6: these sort of anarchists that are running around right now.
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  Speaker 6: They not only should be arrested, they should be prosecuted aggressively.
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  Speaker 6: People attacking police officers, CHP officers, smashing cars, jumping up
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  Speaker 6: and down on cars and breaking windows and using Molotov cocktails,
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  Speaker 6: threatening law enforcement, putting peaceful, peaceful protests, protesters' lives at
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  Speaker 6: risk as well. They're a disgrace. But that's what they're inciting.
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  Speaker 6: They know what they're doing. This is what we told them.
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  Speaker 6: This was our concern that these guys would start coming
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  Speaker 6: out of the woodwork. So they need to be aggressive.
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  Speaker 6: And we had we I think we had 50 plus
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  Speaker 6: arrests just last night as it relates to some of that.
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  Speaker 6: And trust me, tons more coming. All those videos were coming.
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  Speaker 6: We're coming. I'm not the mayor of San Francisco. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not the mayor excuse me of la or san francisco
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  Speaker 6: let alone mayor of california the governor chp made arrests
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  Speaker 6: that's what i can directly command uh but lapd is
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  Speaker 6: also making arrests and the sheriff's office is making arrests
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  Speaker 6: and and uh and there were there there were there
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  Speaker 6: were a number of them and there's going to be
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  Speaker 6: a lot more there needs to be if that kind
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  Speaker 6: of outrageous behavior continues.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of well-meaning people, I would include
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  Speaker 2: myself among them, who are terrified by what Trump is doing,
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  Speaker 2: what ICE is doing to communities all around the country,
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  Speaker 2: but then also watching those protests and wondering, should I
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  Speaker 2: be a part of this? Is this helpful? Should I
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  Speaker 2: go down there right now? Or is this giving Stephen
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  Speaker 2: Miller and Trump the images they want to get looped
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  Speaker 2: on Fox News for the next month? How do you
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  Speaker 2: think about the way well-meaning activists should engage in protests
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  Speaker 2: in this moment?
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  Speaker 6: I was just down in the neighborhoods in meeting with
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  Speaker 6: community leaders, and they talked about mass panic. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: that's their words, not mine. Tears in their eyes. 30
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  Speaker 6: years I've been doing rapid response networks, legal aid. They've
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  Speaker 6: never seen anything like this. They were talking about six
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  Speaker 6: or seven operations that occurred earlier today, a number of
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  Speaker 6: Home Depots all throughout the county. how people literally are
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: walking the streets and being threatened. They're being asked for
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  Speaker 6: their papers. People are now walking around with their passports.
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  Speaker 6: There was assertions that there were checkpoints. I'll be honest
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  Speaker 6: with you, I didn't know if that was overstated. Turns
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: out it was true. They have checkpoints in certain cases,
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  Speaker 6: which ICE has denied complete bullshit. We've seen it, where
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  Speaker 6: they're literally stopping people asking for papers, their cars, walking
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  Speaker 6: to parking lots. not just down streets, car washes, obviously
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  Speaker 6: these Home Depots. We've got unmarked cars near schools now.
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  Speaker 6: We've got people not showing up for graduation, not showing
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  Speaker 6: up for graduation. These kids not showing up for graduation,
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  Speaker 6: their families, their grandparents, mixed status families in some cases,
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  Speaker 6: others that are here legally that are scared to death.
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  Speaker 6: And they asked me, they asked me exactly the question
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  Speaker 6: you just asked. This one woman, she said, what's your
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  Speaker 6: advice to, Should we quote unquote, this is the question,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: should we stay home or is it okay to walk out,
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  Speaker 6: get to the grocery store? And I literally paused. I'm like,
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  Speaker 6: I honestly, I said, I right now, I want you
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  Speaker 6: to stay home. I'm worried about you. I'm honestly worried
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  Speaker 6: about you. What the heck? How, how did I answer
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  Speaker 6: that way? That's the moment we're in. That's Stephen Miller's
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  Speaker 6: United States of America. That's, this is hit this guy.
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  Speaker 6: This is, this is their, this is what they want. And, uh,
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  Speaker 6: That's how serious it is. Kids, kids, kids, attacking kids.
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  Speaker 6: And by the way, you're talking to a governor that
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  Speaker 6: has collaborated. I'll take the hits. I've collaborated with ICE
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  Speaker 6: through our California Department of Corrections. 10,000 plus times. I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: have no problem dealing with going after criminals. This is
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: not about that. But these are law-abiding citizens. These are
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  Speaker 6: good human beings. I mean, God is my witness. We
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: were talking about a young lady who, thank God, found
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: her father down at a detention, a federal detention center,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: found that he's still in California. He's been living here
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: 27 years as a taxpayer. That's who they're going after
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: right now. They're lying to you that this is just
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: about criminals. If it was, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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  Speaker 6: We'd be having a very different conversation. So forgive me.
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  Speaker 6: I really do worry. And I want to see peaceful protests.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: We need peaceful protests. But we've got elements now coming
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: in that are intentionally trying to create chaos and putting
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: people in harm's way. And it's my biggest fear when
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: we start to militarize our streets. And they know this.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: Trump knows this. It's what he wants. He wants that engagement.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: And he wants that friction. And I just pray that
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  Speaker 6: we can keep people safe and that people are thoughtful
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: as they peacefully protest.
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  Speaker 2: And Gunnar, thank you so much for your time. Final question.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the flip side of that question about should
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  Speaker 2: people protest, how should activists act, is how should ICE
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: be acting, right? It's their job to deport people. It's
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: their job to enforce immigration laws. What's the appropriate role
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: for ICE in this moment that they should be playing?
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  Speaker 6: Just look, I've said this on many occasions, and it
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: goes to, quote unquote, the sanctuary question. We have never,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: California's law is crystal clear. We do not impede federal,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: law enforcement's right to spend federal dollars on federal operations.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: That's their role and responsibility. And so that should be
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: protected to the extent that it legally is required. And
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: those that seek to put anyone in law enforcement in
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: harm's way, that is not appropriate, and they should also
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: be held to account. We cannot indulge that. We cannot
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: allow for that. And so I just, look, I want
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: people to act civilly, responsibly. And I, you know, if
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: it was any other administration, we would be having a
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: collaborative conversation on the right way, not the wrong way.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: The Obama administration, there were plenty of, I mean, I
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: was on the receiving end back mayor days, supervisor days
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: of democratic administration, not just Republican administrations, even first Trump administration.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: There's a right way of doing things and there's a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: wrong way of doing things. And they're not interested in
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: having a conversation about doing the right way. That said,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of good people that work for
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: these organizations that are being used by people that have
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: not their best interest at heart either and that are
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: trying to sow chaos, sow distress and division. And so
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: it's just trying to find that balance. And I pray
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: we can find it, good people that need to do
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: the right thing in the right way. And all of us,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: I think, need to do a better job calling out
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: the people that don't.
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  Speaker 2: Agreed. Well, Governor, thank you very much for your time.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Let's hope that things stay calm as they have been
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: earlier today and President Trump cuts the bullshit. But thank
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: you so much for coming on.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: Thanks. Cut the bullshit's the right phrase.
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