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Early Indy Run Q&A - FROM THE VAULT! · The Major Wrestling Figure Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's that time of the month.
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  Speaker 2: Time to get h A R D. It's the Hard
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  Speaker 2: Foundation Bonus episode. We're the hosts, the Major King, Matcdona,
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  Speaker 2: maxim Amendment, Brian Myers and.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor silver Balls himself slock Clock Starling. All right, welcome
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  Speaker 1: everyone to this month's Hard Foundation Bonus episode. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: moderate this thing. I am spar Mark Sterling esquere Doctor
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  Speaker 1: silver Balls, Uh, the producer of the show, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: also joined by the two interviewees.
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  Speaker 3: What's up. The most professional wrestler, Impact wrestling star. That's
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  Speaker 3: Scotty Pippin of Wrestling figure collecting an independent wrestling legend.
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  Speaker 4: Brian Myers, and I am your host, one half of
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  Speaker 4: Myers and Matthews Entertainment. That's hot. That's Brett Matthews hot Man.
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  Speaker 5: No one knows what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Backcard doing a a K one thousand dollars Barowski. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: the Michael Jordan of wrestling for collecting. So Mark, explain
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  Speaker 4: what's going on here. We'll do a little theme for
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  Speaker 4: the next couple of months, right, Mark, we talk.
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  Speaker 3: About Uh, this is my getting in the cars doing
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  Speaker 3: all these road trips, going to R O.
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  Speaker 5: H working We're gonna kind of break down Japan work there.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta break it down breakdown in wrestler or for
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  Speaker 4: Carlorette Matthews right with a Z. Actually it's with an S,
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  Speaker 4: but it was we're gonna do Q and a's.
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  Speaker 1: I love the Q and a idea for the Hard
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  Speaker 1: Foundation members.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, for for timetables of our career, we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: do this. One is indy, next month will be developmental,
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  Speaker 4: and then so far so far, and so so on
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  Speaker 4: and so on.
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  Speaker 1: So we got a lot of great questions from the
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  Speaker 1: major marks and the Facebook group, all based on your
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  Speaker 1: indie runs, and I'm just gonna fire away.
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  Speaker 3: Pre w w who submitted them all, Mary Kate, because
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  Speaker 3: no one else knew who we were.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you they know that you were wrestlers on
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  Speaker 1: the indiview. It's not like why did you use this move?
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  Speaker 1: And then why did you see in this.
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  Speaker 5: The storyline with Wayne the convenience store guy was okay? Anyway?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Marcus Brandon, I feel like we often hear
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  Speaker 1: about Broski's trampoline league, so to my question is for Brian,
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  Speaker 1: what was your first taste of wrestling? And how hold?
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  Speaker 1: How old are you at the time.
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  Speaker 5: Like beyond watching it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, like physical wrestling, backyard did you
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  Speaker 1: backyard at all?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I've told this story. I don't know. It
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  Speaker 3: was like an interview or something I read with Brett Hart,
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  Speaker 3: like when I was in middle school or late into
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  Speaker 3: middle school, where he was burying backyard wrestling, saying that's
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  Speaker 3: not what we do. You know, we're trained professionals. Don't
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  Speaker 3: do that. You're being foolish if you do that, YadA
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  Speaker 3: ya YadA, And I just took that to heart and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay. So even though it was like
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  Speaker 3: a trend and really popular and I was for sure
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  Speaker 3: like itchy as hell to like do something like that,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Bret Heart said, this cuntrue. So I
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: focused on like sports and stuff because that's what I
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  Speaker 3: thought I should do. So I did, you know, football, wrestling, baseball,
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  Speaker 3: you know, straight through high school.
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  Speaker 5: The only thing I did even.
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  Speaker 3: Remotely is uh, and we'll dig it out eventually. It's
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  Speaker 3: I might be on a DVD, but it's definitely on VHS.
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  Speaker 3: Is Me versus Papa Bear?
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: It was like for our Spanish class, like we were
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  Speaker 3: supposed to do something and we were just completely basically
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  Speaker 3: fucking around and we didn't want to do what we
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  Speaker 3: were really.
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  Speaker 5: Supposed to do.
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  Speaker 3: We're supposed to like so we I think we said
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  Speaker 3: we were doing no holds barred too, but like we
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  Speaker 3: were to speak in Spanish, but we had a backyard batch.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so like when we speak, we were like speaking
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  Speaker 3: in really bad broken Hirish.
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  Speaker 1: Die to see this we got to see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty unreal and that's it. And we fought
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  Speaker 3: all through my parents' house. It's out into the snow,
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  Speaker 3: and I think I beat him with a Rakishi driver
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  Speaker 3: in this giant snowbank.
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  Speaker 4: A Sultan driver.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, that's that's why I never got into it.
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  Speaker 5: And trust me, like especially at that.
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  Speaker 3: Point, backyard race backyard wrestling was so popular and like trendy,
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  Speaker 3: and like I was very itchy to do it.
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  Speaker 4: I just was like the kid's backyard wrestle. Now, like
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a thing.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe I could see the anything still it's less like
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  Speaker 5: mainstream and cool, but I'm sure it was a thing.
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  Speaker 3: It was a thing video games and it was cool.
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  Speaker 5: All loved it.
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  Speaker 1: John Soulio Swallow, Swallow, What was the hardest part of
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  Speaker 1: wrestling school, the bumps, the financial issues, relationship issues, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: First, like for me, you know, I was backyarding and
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  Speaker 4: like I didn't know what I was doing. I knew
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  Speaker 4: moves and stuff like that, and like I thought I
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  Speaker 4: was so good And it wasn't until I got to
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  Speaker 4: wrestling school and I realized there was actual formula to
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  Speaker 4: a match. And at first it was like hard for
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  Speaker 4: me to comprehend. Like I've been watching wrestling my whole life,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't did. I thought I knew everything, but I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know there was something called shine hea didn't come back.
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  Speaker 4: It's like understand that concept was like confusing. But then,
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  Speaker 4: like I remember, Mike, you wou kind of like drew
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  Speaker 4: it out in like a dry erase board or a chalkboard, and.
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  Speaker 5: I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 4: I had like an aha moment. I think, Yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: once he like explained it like that, I really understood
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  Speaker 4: it and it really is so simple. But like like
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  Speaker 4: I said, I was a diehard wrestling fan doing this
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  Speaker 4: back at wrestling and I never even picked up on
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  Speaker 4: the shine heat come back portion of a match.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, I think it was just like the
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  Speaker 3: the persistence of it and like the patients, because it's
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  Speaker 3: like if you go to a regular gym and you know,
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  Speaker 3: whatever you have it you do you do arms for
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  Speaker 3: the day, You're not going to walk out of that
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  Speaker 3: gym and have like big, awesome biceps. It's when you
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  Speaker 3: do it, you know, every week for this amount of time.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how pro wrestling is. It's so weird and
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  Speaker 3: it's an art craft and it's it's so bizarre and
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  Speaker 3: unique to itself and it takes a lot of like
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  Speaker 3: discipline and learning and patience, and I think that's what
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  Speaker 3: you know. There's no like instant uh satisfaction when you're
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  Speaker 3: trained to be a pro wrestler. Really, you know that,
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  Speaker 3: Like Matt said, like people who like watch their whole lives. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you can like okay, do a move and you know
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  Speaker 3: because you watched it and you're pretty close to it.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, that's about it.
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  Speaker 1: As averletic guys, did you guys ever have issues picking
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  Speaker 1: things up or it was just pretty much easy for you?
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  Speaker 4: Like I remember, like, so this is horrible to say,
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  Speaker 4: but like I came from backyard wrestling where it was
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  Speaker 4: on public access, and like one of our guys Steel
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  Speaker 4: Cage Customs went to NYWC to learn how to wrestle
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  Speaker 4: and then would come and teach us like chain and
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that. It's like I couldn't like admit that,
• 6:46
  Speaker 4: so I would have to be like, hey, guys, can
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  Speaker 4: you teach me this? Knowing that knew how to do it,
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  Speaker 4: just want to start using it in practice. And then
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  Speaker 4: eventually like Spider came in, like yo, whanka, that's Bret
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  Speaker 4: Matthews and like he do like rather be at Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I remember like it was like the first day
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  Speaker 4: of the first week. I forget who was actually like
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  Speaker 4: training with me, and this guy Ken Scampy, who was
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  Speaker 4: before Mikey Whipper was like the real trainer, was like
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  Speaker 4: whoever was there that day was training and he said
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  Speaker 4: like raise your hand if you want to like make
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  Speaker 4: it the WWE, and like I did, and maybe like
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  Speaker 4: one or two other people did, and I'm thinking, like, well, fuck,
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  Speaker 4: why are you in this mist school? You don't want
• 7:20
  Speaker 4: to be a WWE. That's what I'm thinking about. Everyone
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  Speaker 4: else didn't raise their head and then like he like
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  Speaker 4: healed us out and like started like chopping us, saying
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  Speaker 4: we're never gonna make it, and like I left that
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  Speaker 4: day thinking like what the fuck am I doing? You know,
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  Speaker 4: like why am I getting like chopped for wanting to
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  Speaker 4: be a wae wrestler, Like isn't that why I went
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  Speaker 4: to wrestling school. It's not like I went to like
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  Speaker 4: like a baseball camp and and I'm saying I want
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  Speaker 4: to be a wrestler, way the wrestle of school say
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  Speaker 4: I want to be a wrestler. So like, mentally, it
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  Speaker 4: was kind of like what am I doing?
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  Speaker 5: Ken Scampy was a swell guy one time, Like it.
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  Speaker 3: Was like had to be like three weeks ish into
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  Speaker 3: like wrestling training. He like he gave me like a
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  Speaker 3: like I don't remember what if it was a kick
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  Speaker 3: or a punch or whatever, but it was a pro
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  Speaker 3: wrestling style strike, so like I didn't actually feel it,
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  Speaker 3: and then I couldn't I didn't know how to sell
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  Speaker 3: yet I didn't realize like, oh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Like it was.
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  Speaker 3: I think what happened was I winced and I closed
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  Speaker 3: my eye so I didn't see like where he hit me,
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: so I didn't react to and he got hot that
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  Speaker 3: in some and he just flat out like looked at
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  Speaker 3: me and then kicked me dead and dick with like
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  Speaker 3: a soccer kick.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus, And I actually like Skimpy a lot, But some
• 8:27
  Speaker 4: of that earlier stuff I do, I do like scat
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  Speaker 4: I do funny.
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  Speaker 1: They answered that question is getting kicked in the penis
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  Speaker 1: Michael Ricco. What were their expectations when they got into
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  Speaker 1: the business on the indie scene.
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  Speaker 3: To get to w W A, Yeah, I don't know, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's so. I mean I tell people this will come
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  Speaker 3: to my school now, Like it's okay to to look
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  Speaker 3: at it, like the way my civilian friends, like they
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: play softball. They have a softball league and they it's
• 8:59
  Speaker 3: their one thing they look forward to. Like you can
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: have that mentality, that's fine, but so much more would
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  Speaker 3: go into it because it's wrestling than just showing up
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  Speaker 3: to play softball, and it's souffle like you know, like
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  Speaker 3: it's a lot more just dangerous and time consuming and
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: it's just it's a weird thing to have your foot,
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: you know, only one foot in the pond of it,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Like you need gear. You need to look good.
• 9:24
  Speaker 4: You need to be in shape, both like look like
• 9:27
  Speaker 4: you're in shape and actually be in shape be able
• 9:29
  Speaker 4: to go have like gas in the tank, be.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: Athletic learn this weird psychology, like all kinds of.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot they're you know, I don't have a
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  Speaker 4: wrestling school. I can't pretend to know what it's like.
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  Speaker 4: But like I can speak to when I was at
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  Speaker 4: a school, and there were definitely people there who just
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  Speaker 4: wanted to wrestle that one Saturday in front of their
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  Speaker 4: friends and family at the Deer Park Community Center. And
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: that was fine, and that's that's cool, But I.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: Do you want that? You want? They need to take
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  Speaker 1: it seriously?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you still have to take it to a
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  Speaker 3: certain level of seriousness to even just you're putting other
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: people's life is livelihood in your hands.
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  Speaker 5: It's freaking dangerous. Man. You can't just be there to
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: hang out and have fun. Really.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember one time, so Brian started like the
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  Speaker 4: summer before me, then went away to school, but he
• 10:11
  Speaker 4: was still like at the school. It would come back
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: for like Thanksgiving or whatever the breaks, and she liked
• 10:14
  Speaker 4: the entry in it. But I was there, so we
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: didn't really quite know each other, but then we became
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: partners blah blah blah. But then I remember, like while
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: Brian was like away at school, like Shane or Wayne.
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  Speaker 4: He was like the booker of MWWC. He's like we
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: had this like big talk and he wanted me to
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: like turn on Brian and like go for like the
• 10:31
  Speaker 4: interstate title. I was like, no, like I don't want
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: to be the interstate champion. I want to I know
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: that our meal ticket is being a team and getting
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: noticed in these other places. I think this is like
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  Speaker 4: there was a discrepancy, like we were like the NYWC
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  Speaker 4: Tag team champions and they didn't want us losing in
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: Jersey All Pro and I'm thinking, like what the fuck?
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  Speaker 4: Even then, I knew this was so stupid. And then
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: that's where it's like, well, you should turn on them,
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: you should you know, you should be your singles guy here.
• 10:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to be the singles guy here.
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  Speaker 4: I never want to be the interstate champion. I never
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: want to be the world champion, the NYWC World champion, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I want to get out of here. And I think
• 11:04
  Speaker 4: that was like a big like where people think, well
• 11:09
  Speaker 4: not then there was like a weird like that I changed.
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  Speaker 4: I forget the quote. Remember there was like a weird
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  Speaker 4: quote like that I changed or something like that. Because
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  Speaker 4: like I just didn't want to just be the n
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  Speaker 4: YWC guy, Like, that's not why I got into the wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I I'm finding this shocking, not that you always
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to be in the WB, but I'm finding it
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: at that you a belt that Borrowski did not want
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  Speaker 1: to win titles in and.
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  Speaker 4: Win all the titles because I knew what would.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you mean, But I'm I'm having a
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  Speaker 1: hard time that it's coming from. I just wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: guessed them.
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  Speaker 4: Because what was wester what was going to be our
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: in especially then when it was like a big man business,
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: was that we were going to be like the team
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  Speaker 4: who broke in. That's and that's how we were gonna
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  Speaker 4: get booked. That's how we're gonna get noticed. We weren't.
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  Speaker 4: We talked about this on an early your main pot EUPI,
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  Speaker 4: so we weren't doing all these the crazy moves and
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  Speaker 4: like oh, so, like I knew we were gonna get
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  Speaker 4: noticed as like a tag team, So I wouldn't like
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: chop the legs off just to have like this singles
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  Speaker 4: running Deer Park, New York.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's very interesting and probably one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons why you made it because you recognize that
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: and you know that that's kind of stuff that people
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: don't really do or or realize, and that actually reminds
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: me a lot of MJFF.
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  Speaker 5: No, it is MJF alive that he's never created approachange.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he hates that, but yeah, he probably if he
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: didn't like move away to push his career forward, he
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  Speaker 1: would have.
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  Speaker 3: Been So he moved in with like Sammy Callen moved
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  Speaker 3: out like to Ohio for a while.
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  Speaker 6: So because like he moved to the Midwest so that
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: he could get yeah, like he could hit these indies
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  Speaker 6: and like he was almost like wrestling like five days
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: a week because he could be able to drive to
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  Speaker 6: all these different spots.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: And really, when you think back on it, that's how
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: he was noticed by Cody in the first place doing
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  Speaker 1: those shows.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, interesting Broskie, Uh, Victor Laiva, what was one of
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: the most surprising things you learned about wrestling on and DS.
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: Sean Heat come back?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say it's more of that stuff because like
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: I was such a fan of indie wrestling, Like once
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: I discovered indie wrestling, I was like so in love
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: with it like I figured out what like USA Pro was,
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: and I would just go to the shows, and like
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: I look forward to that more than like that would
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: be television and stuff. I was so like, cause you're
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: just it's so even like you know, you guys canna
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: test it like when your friends and family come to
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: see you. It's so like intimate. You know, It's like
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: it's like so close to everything. It's just something about it.
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  Speaker 3: I just freaking. I just felt like head first in
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  Speaker 3: love with like indie pro wrestling, and then once I
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: discovered it, so like a lot of things didn't shock
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: me because I was already like I befriended this guy,
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: Sean the Mick, who wrote this like a newsletter for
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  Speaker 3: the he was called the Decorations of Independence the d I,
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: which which got like a little notoriety and buzz at
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: the time and stuff. But basically like every weekend while
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I was training, I would hop in the car with
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: him and go to like whatever cool Northeast Indie and
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  Speaker 3: go for free meet everybody. All I really had to
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: do was like I'd have to like kind of run
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: a table and try to sell these newsletters and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But it was like very minimal you know, work and
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  Speaker 5: he would report on.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: The show and write a report and like I met
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: so much, like that's how I first met Striker and
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: pop it on all these guys that you know to
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: this day that like you know, because I was just
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: like they're meeting them and literally just being a fanboy
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: and like a sponge, you know, like I wanted to
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: like be these guys so bad, so I was asking
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: questions and so nothing really like shocked me, really hot
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: because I was so excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: Hot stuff I loved.
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  Speaker 4: I loved hot. I love hot stuff. I thought, like
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  Speaker 4: I guess it was shocking to me. Like I never
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: liked indie wrestling. I never I knew about it for
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: my magazines, but I never went to indie shows. Like
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: I went to one n YWC show just beside them, yes,
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: just to size up Dan Barry, Johnny Ova, to be like,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: all right, these are the guys.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: Can I compee?
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I got this because those were like
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: the guys from MWC, Johnny Ova and Dan Barry. Dan
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: Barry is still super talented, one of my good friends.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: That he's so talented.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: But I guess, like something that shocked me. I guess
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: it's almost like in retrospect is like you know, I
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: think Mikey Whipwreck realized, uh, like who really wanted and
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. So you know, after practice, like I
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: would go out with him to like the diner and
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, like sometimes like just us and like
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: at the time, I just thought like we were getting
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: something to eat, and it's like years later I realized,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: oh no, like he was like instilling me like respect
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: for the business and teaching me things that like are
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: like invaluable lessons like who they fuck cares about a
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: hammer lock?
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Or how you learn more stuff at the really tuesdays
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: across the street than we did.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Like I didn't realize that. It was like a shocking
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: like it was like aha moment, like after the fact.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, students always uh they you can always tell who
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: wants it? Does that makes any sense?
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: I sized people up the second they walk into the
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: creator bro.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you very sometimes you are wrong, but.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Very rarely wrong, and there's only like a handful of uh.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Stang is probably like the number one. When I Stang's
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: doing his first practice, I'm like, I'm never gonna see
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: this kid again. But he's like Stang's Actually.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I felt the same way. I remember thinking right right
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: after he started, there was an article for CAP that
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: came out in one of the papers, and he was
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: front and center in the main picture in his gross
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Dean Ambrose shirt that was like brown.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: You know that, like when Dean Ambrose first left the
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: shield near that white merch shirt. Stang with that every day,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: but he wore so much it was like yellow.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: Like brown.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Gross. Brian had to say, like, you're not at.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I said, look, bro, this shirt is banded nothing Againsteen Ambrose.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I love him, but this is fucking gross. Man, Like,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: stop wearing the shirt to practice. Yeah, I've been very
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: rarely wrong.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: There's just something about it, like it's weird. It's like, uh,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: either you know you don't or like, especially this modern day,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: like there's so much at your disposal to like learn
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: about the business, like through the Internet and books and
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: all this stuff. So like when someone comes in like uh.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: It was like good rigs are trampoline right, and you're just.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Like, holy shit, how do you not like you didn't
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: do anything before you came here?
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Like fuck, yeah, it's it's crazy all right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Uh. Joe Carr Joe Mez. What was Brian's favorite article
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: he wrote while working for the d OI. What a
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: piece of shit that Jay Silberberg wrote? Mine was his
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: spotlight on Chris Hero.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: That's that exists and I think you can google that.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I interviewed Chris here was like one of my good friends.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Now I just like cold emailed him because he was
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: like this hot indie wrestler in two thousand and three
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: and like.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, and I interviewed him.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Wow, there, that's it's starting the biz. Leon Marcello, when
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: do you guys, when do you know that a gimmick
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: is even or even a look isn't working? But that said,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: is it difficult not to stop and try something new?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: That's that's that's a that's a situation.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: By situation, I mean, we had a thing early in
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: our career where we were like white meat babyfaces and
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: people could not care less, And then we flipped it
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: into like basically the same but like arrogant heels. But
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: we didn't really have to change much because we were
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: already like unlikable and it was Music's made it made.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: A world of You didn't switch our move set.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we just embraced you just kind of embraced it,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: and it made a huge It was like a huge leap.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: It was like the biggest leap we had in the
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: short time we were on the indies, and that in
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: that early run.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: You know what about like Brian as a teacher, it's
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you've told people like you got you got to stop,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you gotta this is time to move on with this
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: thing or something. Yeah, and we talked about the Phil
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Cardigan chain.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Phil Cardigan's like example a million right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I never thought like he would do this character
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: of the grammar cop, which basically built around a whole
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: match of where he'd wear like Big boss Man in
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: the Corporation outfit, but he's like one third the size
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: of Big boss Man. And then he would all his
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: matches build around where he'd give a citation for bad grammar,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: like he pull out this like like a that's just
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: two indies.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: It's rual because you also need to use words, which like.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: It doesn't work.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he would if he had promos about it, he'd
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: always botch like he had bad grammar, so like it
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: was just like it just didn't it was bad. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: then like once you see that, like once or twice
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: like where do you go from there? And that's all
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: he was doing for years, and then like he dresses
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Dwight Shrewt for the Halloween Show and was like ten
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: thousand times more entertaining. And then I just flat out
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: told him, like a taper view, I said, look, I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: don't know, I think there's something I said. I'd rather
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: see you wrestless Dwight truth than what you've been doing, right,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: And then Philip Gardian is like unreal now the best.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: An unbelievable night and day scenario. I think it's harder.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I think as a as a coach, this is like
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: getting really away from the question. It's my responsibility to
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: be honest and give those opinions, because sometimes it's hard
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: to see that in yourself, you know, or you don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: want to like admit that to yourself.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, you know, here's here's another great one age just
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: doing white me babyface nothing. And then he just reinvents
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: himself as this weird retro dude with a mustache.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: And he texts me about it. Did I ever tell
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: you this?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think, So, he texts.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Me before he turned into that guy, and said, what
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: do you think?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: And now this is like, this is obviously in retrospect,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: so now we know what this guy is. But at
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: the time, I'm like, to be honest with you, dude,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I said, I'd rather book this guy you're described, I
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: think to me than who you.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Are now, because I literally are just a dude in
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: trunks and he's at Northeast guy. I didn't know that. Yeah,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: he's from Boston area.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Good dude. All right, Brandon Kawfield, how long exactly was
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: your indie run and did you expect it to end
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: so soon?
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Good question. Your first match is April oh four.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It's like April marchor April four, a big Battle Royal
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: where they thought there was like some sort of like
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: mix up where they thought I sold all these tickets,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: but I only sold the ticket to my dad, So
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I got like all the way to like the finals
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: of this Battle Royal.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: How do they mess that up? I don't know.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I was.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I came down from school to help on that show
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and the main events Al Snow Martin Jet.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: And they're just doing all the finishers, like knocking around
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: the horn.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: I think it's still a good match. Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So like our first thing, or my first thing, which
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Brian joined eventually, was called the rat Pack, and we
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: were like the the minions of this guy like Mayhem,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: and I never quite understood what we were. We wore
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: like dress shirts and dress pants. I don't know if
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: we were like clubbers or what.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I remember like making my debut and like I was
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: so nervous, like, oh, how do I slide in the
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: ring like from a runner?
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: What happened was NYWC had closed its doors, the school,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: but it was still running shows. So they took a
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: bunch of us and threw us as this rat pack.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: So like that was our way of getting out the shows.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: But we weren't like finished training. And then like Brian
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: eventually joins and and like the group kind of changes,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: like who the first much July of four and like
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: we kind of like we get away from Mayhem, I think,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: and we kind of like start wearing different colored shirts
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: and we kind of show more personality and stuff like that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: And then like NYWC the school reopened and like Mikey
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Whitbrick was the head trainer and then there was like
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: a new batch of students. But I was now in
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: like the advanced class, but I never really was like
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: in an advance you know what I'm saying. So now
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, now I don't go to like the beginning classes,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: and I'm just in like the advanced cus of Mikey
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: like fine tunes things you do like tag ins or whatever.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of like weird, you know. But I
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: wasn't gonna say it because I didn't want to go
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: do this beginning shit, you know. And then one day
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: it was just decided, like, you know, I'm fast forward
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: in like six months, but it's like, oh, like I
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: think it was pretty apparent and I don't want to
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: sound competent that we were the two that you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: shined in that group. And one day it was just decided, oh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: you guys are a tag team this show as baby faces.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: You're not remember anymore that my first match is a
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Battle Royal and Mega eliminates us, and we had like
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a double clothes line over the top, and I remember
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: thinking like, if we just.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Could do this bump nice and it did it work?
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Like Everyone's like, well they took that bump as dumb
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: as that sounds like, we took this over the top
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: double clothes line bump and it was like really nice,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: like in sync, and they were like all those kids
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: are not bad, Like is.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: That the much where you're like your chapstick comes out
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: or that another one?
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: That's it? I think I'm pretty sure your chapstick.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Wait, so how long his quick? How long was your
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: indie run? Did you think it would end so quickly?
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Oh? Sorry? So anyway, so Broski's sorry.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and four, early April oh four.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: I'm July o four. We got signed February oh six.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Last last match is like April o.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Six, that's true. We got to do a couple of bookings.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so two years for Broski.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: In the year and a half for me.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And I told myself when I first started wrestling, so
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I was like eighteen at the time, I told himself,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: all right, I'll give it till i'm thirty.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: To make it a ww. It was like that back then.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: It's crazy now like oh yeah, I mean think about
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: that a lot.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I literally feel like I'm in the prime
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: of my career right now, like I've never been better
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm thirty five. But when I started, I'm like,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: what am I gonna do at thirty, I'm gonna have
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to find something else to do, transition to a manager
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I remember twenty eight and I think I forget where
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I saw it. But this year's Royal Rumble was the
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: oldest Royal.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Was crazy about the ages.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: It's pretty wild.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I think guys like like He'll probably hate us saying this,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: but like Bobby Rude and like AJ, I think they've
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: really helped change that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because they can go yeah and they look phenomenal.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. Like, as long as like whatever.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Across the board. Though, Hey, we just watched Tom Brady
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: win Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, true pe take care of yourself and you know
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: this guy's Jericho has been like a real inspiration for me.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Man Dustin Roads, Yeah, still going.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Dustin just keeps getting healthier. Uh, Michael Leavelle, When veteran
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: talent was brought in for shows, did you find most
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: we're trying to teach the new generation or just there
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: for a pay day?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Hell? No too, I guess yeahs what it is. I mean.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: The cool thing was that obviously Mikey would bring in
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: like his buddies, yeah, and were people he liked to
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: be around, because I'm sure the payday was a little
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: brother priced and shit like that. But then he'd usually
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: set up like seminars and stuff. So I remember, like
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Joey Mercury, he was in ov W unsigned but like
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: pitching that eminem gimmick to where he eventually got signed,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: so he it would be cool to like he'd come
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: and it would feel like we were getting this like
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: current ww knowledge, you know, straight to us.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Like that was always great.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I remember Mondo came back and did Mike Bondo would
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: do that from time to time, and then Jerry Lynn
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: came into the show, and then a seminar a couple
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: of times, like always like that, there's a Chris Daniels.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I feel like Marty Jeannetti did one too. Maybe he didn't.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Martin Jeannetti.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I know for a fact we had this show and
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: he was on it and I had never met him,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and I was really excited. And then he came in
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: like we're setting up for the show and there's a
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: huge storm, snowstorm, and I.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Remember during the day like we're like, oh, this doesn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: look like it's gonna happen.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, it is Martin Jeanetti here, and someone's like, oh, yeah,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: he's been here and he was sleeping in like a
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: custodian closet and you can see his like legs sticking
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: out of it and he was passed out in this
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: custodian closet. I'm like, oh shit, Marty Janet, I love
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: to you know, beat Mary Janet. And the show when
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: up getting canceled and we all had to like do it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: We didn't even make it home. Dan Barry took it
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: to like his cousin's house.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Can you tell me?
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: So?
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I don't remember this, but I don't know. If I
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: think I might, I might have went home.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Who is I with?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Then Trent Dad went and bought a plow and bro.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: This was like an ficcause that was supposed to be
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: the Psycho Circus where we have the blindfold match. It
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: gets canceled.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I think you're right, Yeah, that's cool, that's fun, And
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: we don't even make it all myself to some random
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: house and stuff.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: We do end up having the Psycho Circus five way
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: blindfold match is.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Really dumb concept.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: It was actually awesome. I loved it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: It's probably fine for.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: What it is to be honestly, but Sunil one eight seven,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: this should be good. What was it like working a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: match with the future star like Sunial one A seven
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: skip Josh Weimer. What was the hardest part about learning
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: how to put together a match? Psychology bro Broski said.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but like I don't know, like one day
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that just like clicked for me, and I don't even
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: think it was like in a way it was saying,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: it was like more like a deep South.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: This is gonna sound really fucking weird, but I keep
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: bringing up my backyard days like I would have like
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: one very proud I would have like one hour iron
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Man matches like for fun with my brother in the backyard,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: like not even think about it. But then when someone
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: told me what the word blow up up met, I
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: was like so afraid of it that I I've since
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: blown up every single match I've ever had in my.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Head, grown up in every match, but.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Every single match there's like I don't care if it's
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: ten minutes, two minutes, an hour. I've never had an
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: hour match. But you know, it's just a mental thing,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: like because of me it knowing what the term is,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: and it's never like I'm I shouldn't say never. There's
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: a couple times where I feel in the match. Usually
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: it's like after the match, I feel like I'm gonna die,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Like I just said that match with like uh, he's
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: also in the paper who felt fine during the match
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: three and a half minutes after the match, like for
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: an hour and a half, my heart would stop.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, it's not necessarily whether or not
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you blow up, because you will, but it's it's how
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: quick you can get that breath back. That's why you
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: like it do it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: I've always had a good win like wrestling. But the
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: other thing is I have to be in the ring
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: once a week. If I don't got that, then I
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: feel like I'm off. So that's obviously created bros. Plays
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: a big factor into that one.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: It's also different now with like the whole World's ever
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: but with the WWE live event schedule. Oh, the Friday
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: was a little you know, a little winded, Saturday a
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: little better. Sundays that was the best match, and then
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: you got Monday.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was a cert like some points, like
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I remember we used to do like twenty something minutes
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: with a fit and whoever.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Every night and I.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Could like do like sleep like not not even like
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: breathing heavy, like it was crazy because we're just doing
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: it so much.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Scott Yeager, each can you each name one guy or
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: gal you worked with on the indies that you swore
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: would make it big but never did.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I can have a couple.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Well, first off, everyone points why didn't they make well?
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: For everyone?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: To me, like because I was such a fanboy, was
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: like I thought, there like the biggest stars, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: like I said all the time, like the Boogie Knights,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: like who I stole the one? And still it was
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: like an homage their name, like they were like the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: USA Pro Tag Team champions, this guy, these guys Mike
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Tobin and Danny Drake, and like I was like a
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: sophomore in high school, and I thought, like, and these
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: guys probably drives.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: The indie guys Like I didn't.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't know, like you know, wrestling's definitely their only job,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: which is like so far from the truth, you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I just had no clue. Everyone was such an epic
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: star to me, so I guess to answer the real
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: question once we got involved and I realized that that
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: was not the case.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: A lot of the great guys that you guys worked
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: with earlier made it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I think the number one, Yeah, I know, the number
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: one has to be Mason, right, for sure, he was
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: gonna make it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: And like there's some weird like I don't know exactly
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: what happened where he was supposed to get signed when
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: we did. But the rumor has it like he had
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: already moved down to OBW and like paid to train
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: and like, oh, he's already there, why would we pay
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: him he's already there and didn't get signed. I mean
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: that's the rumor who did go.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But he was like way bigger than everyone and jacked
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and he could talk, he could.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Teacher, smart intelligence, marketed himself.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: You know, he's had cool cage. I don't know. We
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: were just like, oh, this guy's definitely gonna make it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: He was like the one of our group where we're like, yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: we were actually like always in his like shadow.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Really right? Yeah?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Earring mulligan, did you did either of you
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: ever have a moment on the indies when you thought
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you were not going to make it as a pro wrestler.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: I think maybe, like when I was training, there was
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: some doubt, like I said before, when like like mentally,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I was like, what's going on here? We're like, am
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I supposed to even want to be here? Like maybe
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: a couple of doubts there, but once I started going
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: like absolutely no way, no doubt in my mind.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Brian just says, no, no, no way.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Earring Mulligan again, What was your biggest mark out moment
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: on the Indies?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I mean I can't wrestling, maybe wrestling doing and Roadkill.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wrestling doing and Roko was huge a meeting at
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the time, Like I was this mega see him punk
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: like super fan. So like when I met him for
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the first time and he actually was kind of addicted
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: to me, I would joke around with him about that story.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Then I don't know, well, now he's really addicted to me.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: But uh then, you know, he like sized me up.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I just told him that I just started training and stuff.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: He's like, he said something like, I guess you're big enough,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: you know, And I'm like the same height anyway. But
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, just meeting like he he was like
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the mecca pro wrestling like on the Indies at that
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, like the biggest guy.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: So like I don't know when when we finally split
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: up in that rap pack and made that tag team match.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: It was such a weird night because it wasn't just
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: like a tag team match, like we had all of
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: a sudden, we come out where Babyfaces, we have a
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: mystery partner. It's Tommy Dreamer.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Oh shit, that was crazy.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: And then like just like Nick Foley who lives along
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: just so happened to come to the show and like
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: get a surprise running so there's like a glory like
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: a money shot at the end, Me, Brian, Tamy, GB
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: and Foley and like, what what is this?
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, hold it all, hands raised in the air.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, bonus points of that. I just thought
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of this. Brian booked me early on and create a
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: pro in a match where I tagged with Striker, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I remember having this thought that like, this is it,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: this is the this is the highest, this is the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: best thing I'm ever going to do in pro wrestling,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm so happy.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: And then you became the host that's ed, the host
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: of Off the Hot Broke and producer of the major
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: rest of your podcasts.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Brandon Mayhew, how did each of you go about developing
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: your early move set?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, fuck move set.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Brosky had it already from the backyarding right.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: That was That was one thing I was very uncomfortable with,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Like when you're green and you don't know anything.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: It was like asking someone like, hey, can I try
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: this on you?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I was very like, it took me a long time
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to be that guy because I just felt bad h
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: and unsure of stuff, you know, so like just to
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: just grab some random dude and try some dangerous ass
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: thing that you know, so that that's something I wasn't
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: good at.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: This might shock a lot of people. So obviously, like
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I knew how to do all these moves, and I
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: would like askay show me to do a tiger driver,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: even though I knew how to do it. But what
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I liked about NYWC and the the unorganization is that
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: every day you would get a different trainer. So whether
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: it be like Dan Barry showing you like some cool
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: like stuff like cool wrestling stuff or Crusher, do you
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: can teach you some weird chain or like Spider teaching
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: you like four fifties or whatever. There there there was
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: one day where it was like, all right, let's get
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: My name was Bret Matthews, let's let's like you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: practice is an ending until I can do a mood salt.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: So it was first like you you know, I would
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: give you my foot and you would like long story short.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I eventually like started doing like shooting star presses. It's like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: for like two weeks I could do mood salts shooting
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: star presses. It was insane, like even at home. I
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: was like perfecting them at home, doing shooting star presses
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: mood salt's like no fear. And then I went to
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: do a shooting star press like and like I don't
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: know if I puss it out, didn't make it and
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: like landed like kind of like on my head, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: like since then I can't do a backflip produce suppress
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: can't go backwards. I think in Deep South we like
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: had it, like Bill made us do backflip mood salts
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: one day and I finally got it again. But it
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: was like bam bam Bigelow style like ugly.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, that's crazy, I can't do them.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just a confusing to clarify.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: So when we signed up to NYWC, there was like
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: basically chaos, like there was no rhyme or reason you
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: never knew it was going to be there. Who was
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: going to show you anything whatever? I mean, most of
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the time, I guess you can count on Crusher Dugan,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: who's like would show you like chain and that's about
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: it chain wrestling. And then like you said, like if
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Spider had the key, like and people left, he'd be like,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: oh I f this wink and he pull out the
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: crash bad and we would just do stuff like that,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: What I mean, and then shit like that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: And then eventually they like lost that original garage building
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: and there was like no school, so that whole like
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: summer of like oh four, I don't remember you coming very.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Often, but me and Dan Barry would just drive. We
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: would drive to ACE.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think I ever wont drive the ACE in
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: New Jersey just to get training in like once a
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: week and stuff. And it was really kind of sucked.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: There's no no place to train, nothing to do. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: then finally they cut a deal with the Deer Park
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Community Center where they keep the ring there and build it,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: so like, oh.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: That sucked every fuck.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: So that Mikey came in made it like regimented head trainer,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: real style practices, but you had to like come and
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: build a ring, take it down, take it and then I.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Think it was maybe it was up and the next
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: next day to.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Take it down, you know, do to practices take it
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: down the worst, so either you know, and then you're
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: probably building a ring and then training sucks and then
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: taking it you know, doing a whole practice and taking
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: it down sucks too.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Uh, Johnny JB. Did you have any favorite cities or
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: areas you like to perform at.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Well, considering we only went to like four places, Yeah,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: I mean it was we finally got this break with
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Jersey All Pro where we were doing like their internet show,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: which was like way ahead of its time, by the way, and.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Then we had like this big opening match on like
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: a huge railway show with the Outcast Killers, and we
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: thought it was like this huge thing for us. That's
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: that's about it, besides all the deer parks. That's probably
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the biggest show we ever did.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: That.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: On our way out, we did like a big cyberspace
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: show where we dropped the belts right for him, like
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: a conjoined cyberspace WC match.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Did you guys sell a lot of tickets? Like broke?
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: You strike me as somebody who was able to move tickets.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: No, I never cared. I never did it. Really, I
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: would maybe like my parents and stuff.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: I my parents, my Paul.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: You know, you didn't have your backyard guys come.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: My friends didn't like wrestling, and I wasn't gonna.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Like, huh our last show like we have like the
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: send off when we're signed.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of people there for me. That's about it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Tom Floyd, who was the first person to take you
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: under their wing. That didn't have to Dan.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Barry, Dan Barry, Mike, you would break even I'm a
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Dreamer after.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: That, Dan's the best. Joey Walker. Do you remember a
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: specific match that you guys had where afterwards you truly
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: felt like a professional wrestler in the sense of, oh, yeah,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: we're doing this. Hi mean.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I think maybe that that match with Dreamer and like Foley,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: where I'm like wow, and that Dreamer was in charge
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: of signing people at the time.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I felt that way. On the match you got knocked out,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: but because I didn't realize you were knocked out. Oh yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: because like.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: We like we basically we were these shitty baby faces.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Like I said, we had the tag titles and nobody
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: gave a fuck about us. It failed, we had to
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: drop them and then like we worked our way back
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: to them as these heel characters and like truly were
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: like a real part of the show, you know, So
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: it felt like vindicated. We had this like really good
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: match with Ken Scampi and Dan Barry and we went
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: him back. Broski's knocked out from missing a four fifty at,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: but he's like completed the match and was there for everything.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: So I had no idea, right, So, like I remember
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: being on the ramp having the belt and like we're
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: like chicken chit heels like backing up and like we
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: got the belts and like felt like okay, like some
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: vindication here, and then we go through the curtain and
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: brost a collapse and he's dead.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah tom uh Tom Floyd? What Slash who were some
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: of the coolest, most fun or weirdest people venues, angles
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: or spots. So it's weird.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Mikey would bring me to like a couple of things
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: he brought me to, like the Hardcore Homecoming when I
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: stay in That was school. But something weird he brought
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: me to is this weird like Joel Gertner showing like
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: a barn Or like a bar and I was like
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: a referee and you know me with my shirts, I
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: want them nice and snug. This referee shot was like
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: a double xcel, like went past my elbows and I'm
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: so like, I'm so uncomfortable, like the special referee between
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: like rob Echoes, Robbie Robert Stone and like striker, but
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Striker is muscles Marinara, He's got like an apron eyes
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: like this big Italian guy. What, oh my god? And
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: uh Joel Gurdon says he has the footage, but he's
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: been promising to said to me the past five years.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Good luck. Wow, I would love to see that for me.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: And I'd say the blind the fiveway blindfold match. You know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: when does that happen? It's the stupidest thing of all time.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So many nowadays at least, there's so many crazy characters
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: like fans and stuff.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: What about the grim Reefer?
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: The grim Reefer been here for years, bro, pretty sure.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: He's still around, Billy, this is a great one. Did
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you know that the promotion uh car Joe Mez worked
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: for referred to you guys as the sun Tan Twins
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: And do you now wish that that was your tag name.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: I did not know that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Joe's told me that in privacy Joe wrestled. Yeah, they'll shoes.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, get off, Broki, I'm kidding.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: We've been on shows with Joe shoes before.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Now the Hip Swivel Champion, because he was.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Like ICW guy and we never worked.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: How did I know him? We did you like something weird?
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Jersey ones and like a little.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Shittye, It's possible, didn't we like work?
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Mikey and somebody Mikey and Oscar.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: At a Damien Dragon show?
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Was it Damien Dragon?
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah? You could have been there.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I feel like he was there.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Tyler Conium, what was your most embarrassing moment when you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: first started having matches in front of an audience?
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Hmmm, that's a good one.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Sure there's something.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I feel like that Outcast Killer match has some like
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: you fucked up chance, so just like maybe just uncoordinated,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: like white boy shit. We're trying to do like cool trendy,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: like indie spots.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I can't think of.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Anything off the top of my head.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: That match with Doring and Roadkill that we watched on
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Live five.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Something I bought something where.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Like you take a tackle, it doesn't exist, but like
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: the crowd didn't even react to it, so that doesn't
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: really count.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: You know, you didn't get like eating a live for it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Joey Hudson, there's a good one for Matt. Did
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: you guys make and sell your own merch in the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: on the Indies?
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: We had eight tens we got from high spots. We
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: had t shirts.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Towards the end, we had a lot of stuff. We
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: had a best of DVD at the end. I still
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: have it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like it wasn't as a merch wasn't really
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a thing back then.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: It wasn't, but I knew that it's funny.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I knew that Cabana did it, and like I would
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: like kind of like trying to steal that model of it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: I remember think at our logos, like for the shirts.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: We had a Badass shirt in two thousand and four.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I remember like there was one guy on
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the show that would like sell a shirt and I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: would always it.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Was not like not not even comparable to what goes
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: on today. If anything, there was dude selling like old
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: figures and stuff and stuff like that.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: And I remember seeing Frankie Arion said set up his
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: shirts for the first time and just being like, what
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: do you think you're doing, dude, Joey Hudson any stories
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: about older, more experienced wrestlers making you feel like a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: dumb Mark who Bros. Garrity told that you bought all right,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Matthew Wiley was gear hard to get made on andes.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Oh dude Spider who like made it himself, which was
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: great because like you know, he would make a gear,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: but it was like, Okay, it's been like almost twenty
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: years since we started wrestling, We've not gotten any better
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: with the gear.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, Freddy, it's pretty, yeah, but it's barely passable.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I used easy.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Money, Yeah, but it would take so long.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: And like when I got the easy money gear, I
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: felt like I was indebted, Like it was like such
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: night and day from like Spiders.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I want to say for Christmas, Christmas maybe three, my
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: parents got me boots from Stage Codes oh yeah, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I didn't get them into my hand till like fall
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: oh four. Yeah, remember I think I still have them.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: They're mister perfect ripoff ones and say.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a Christmas oh four or maybe
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Christmas five, I got you like the double J like
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: sleeveless trench goat with the purple flames.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, and like I still have it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Spider, Like did it finish by the time, So it's
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: like just like cut up and it's not sewed like
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: at the seam. So we're getting them for like the
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Psycho Circus, that's what I wanted to get him for.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: But like looking back, a trash bag with like purple flames.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: But that was also like the style that wet the
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: wet look.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: It's called that wet shiny I know, to gypants looking stuff.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: But yeah, when you're a jerbrown, it's very hard to
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: go gear because there's even now it's hard.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Even now it's hard.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Johnny Clash makes gear. Yeah, but he's learning to message him.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, like I'm a gear's not like should
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: I wait, dick wait.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: My god, flash the man Jeff Pike. Uh, did they
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: do a lot of traveling around?
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Not really.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: We tried and we said this on the productable week.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: We tried to, but nobody wanted to to really book us.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: That's why I like we had this idea because they
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: said we were too Wwe like, well, that's what we
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: want to do. We had the idea which we never
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: got about to do it, taking the WE logo flipping
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: upside down, we'd beat Myers and Matthews Entertainment, but we
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: got signed before that could really happen.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Are like two main goals or to work for ECWA
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: in Delaware and Chaotic in Massachusetts, because those were the
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: two like closely associated, like wwe like where they were
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: like scotting guys, and that was like our main goal
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: and we could not like catch a sniff from either
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: one of them. And we sent them like professional DVDs
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: A by ten like all the time.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: We just sent you.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Have you ever worked for Chaotic? Yet?
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: No?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny, the same thing for me. Chaotik
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: was the best when I first started, And I always
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: wanted to work for Chaotic and I never have and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I I still have never done it. And and Max
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: smash Master runs the school, Oh my god, damn for Chaotic,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the Jesus I still can't sniff book.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I think I think back then it was like right
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: as doctor Tom left that first time, like those are
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: those schools he like worked closely with.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: What's the show? We must have worked somebody on it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I don't recall who we worked, and Plasma works like Monstermac.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: That's Jersey. That's a Jersey all pro internet taping.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, so who do we work though? No clue and
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: Jersey and so okay, so's Jersey all pro internet taping.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: But I feel like this is like Pennsylvania connecticuts.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: It's in Jersey Lake Khiawatha. Okay.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: So Monstermac picks up Trent and he's doing this thing like.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: The squad we're famous for throwing people into this wall
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: this old building. But it was a fucking hell of
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: a lot closer in this old building than it was
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: in this building we were in. So he was just
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's feeling like the Glory Days
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: or whatever, but didn't even come close.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: And he like lands on this like this like dugout bench,
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: and he's all like messed up and like we don't
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: know what to do in his parents on vacation. We
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: take him to the hospital and we feel like lied
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: say that you fell on a skateboard.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: God, it is real, damn me uh him Dan Barry
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: mean And.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I had to leave early because I had to go
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: to work in the morning, It's rough at the Pizza Place,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Cow's Corner of the Dell.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: That clip is still on YouTube. It's called that Kid
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: is Dead with like eight D's It's wild.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: So similar question, Jeffrey Pike. Was there anyone on that
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: wrestling is that you knew that were going to be
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: big stars and then were.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: Trent?
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I knew eventually Tony Nice was gonna get picked up.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: It took way too.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: It took so long that I was like, maybe I
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: was wrong that I'll be honest with you at a
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: certain point, I'll be if I'm being honest, I'm like,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: maybe I don't know because it just looks he's the
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: same age as I started at the same time. But
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: that's he's I mean, everyone has a different a different journey,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: But man, Nick Glenn, did you feel like your run
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: was long enough to fully appreciate being on indies or
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: did you not feel that way until your second run
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: on indies? Brian Matt, do you feel robbed of an
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: indie run now due to your due to COVID nineteen?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Would you prefer working uh every Thursday through Sunday?
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Are you okay with I would not prefer I do
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: not want to work Thursday through Sunday, right, like every week? Fuck?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: No?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Right, like I do not all right, but there was
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: a lot there. Do you feel like it was long
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: enough to fully appreciate your run?
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: And I never wanted to be an indie rest. I
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: wanted to be in.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Brian wanted it, and then he got that later.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like obviously, like when we got released,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: it was already in this pandemic thing where it's not
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: like so it was like, oh wow, I can't do
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: any of these like shows right now. Even now it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: like so it's like there are some, but it's like
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: few and part between, the world's still weird. Eventually, Yes,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I would love to, But do I want to work
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Thursday through Sunday? No, I'll pick what I want. There's
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: no I do not want to work four days a week,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: and I just don't.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it all out of my system the
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: first firing, because that's what I mean.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: I dreamed of being any wrestler.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: I didn't really get to do it, or at least
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't get to do it when I was any good,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: you know, So it was like a legit dream come true,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: as odd as that sounds. Like to just kind of
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: go and reverse and pile into cars.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: And just I don't know, kind of just you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: the dingy buildings and.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Just all those you know, had I had, you know,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I got to work dcw Arena, and I got to work,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: you know, create a world birthday parties like you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: everything in between, you know, shitty shindies and just and
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I just I just love wrestling in all its forms.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: You know, I'll take it, you know anyway.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Right, So, but that been said, I this time, I
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: don't I don't want to do that at all because
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I got it all out of my system and I'm a.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Parent, and I just I don't know.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I have just had different responsibility that I've really sunk
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: my teeth into impact and obviously with my contract, I'm
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: allowed to do other things, but it's just got to
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: be meat on the bone for me to to do that.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I just I just realized something as we're as we're
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: talking here. So we got released on April fifteenth.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: Text day, brother Iris got us.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: So I did not do any indie shows in one year,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: but on Friday April sixteenth, I don't let my first show,
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: oh no, sorry, sorry, Friday April sixty is Stop in Ashcotch.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: The seventeenth is water City Wrestler cod will be my
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: first indie show, unblable. I don't even know who are
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: wrestling quarter to this, quarter to this. It's me right
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: of the booking man against to deal tosh icp with
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Big Kevin's the special ref. That's what it looks like.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: That sounds like awesome.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the match, but that will be.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: That will be your first match.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Two more questions. You were both already obsessed with pro
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: wrestling before training. How much did that obsession amplify once
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you started A.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Hundred And that's what I think separated me and Brian
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: from like the pack of people, because like then, like
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: my obsession wasn't just like let me collect the figures
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: and buy other DVDs a best buy. Then I was like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: oh no, I need to like be the best. I
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: need to have the best gear. We need to have
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: like we need to think of like these double team,
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: we need to like blah blah blah.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Whatever.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: It was like my obsession went into every other aspect
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: of it and it just didn't turn off. And I think,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: like what Brian was talking about, like it's cool if
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: you want to make it like the softball practice, but
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: it was like we weren't the once a week people like.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Even if we went to practice once a week twice
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: a week, it was a seven day a week. It
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: really was a seven day a week thing.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: What you mean, Yeah, I.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Mean I'm literally gonna stop this recording and go watch
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: wrestling in my bed.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: So that's that's gonna take my bad that's obsessed with
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: wrestling back.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like that's part of wrestling too.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: You if you are going to be successful, you have
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: to do that. It's okay if you don't. But I
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: remember like coming in the CAP at first and like
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: talking to Joe fit Bear Bronson and just like him
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and Max going back and forth and talking. I'm like, oh, man,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: do I like wrestling as much as these guys? Like
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. But then once, once you do it,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: it just amplifies. And CAP actually does that for you too.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: It like sucks you.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: It's like a great place like people ash as we
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: kick him out of guy like we can't, it's too
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: precious of it.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: Like an environment, you know.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I always hated that about like developmental and we'll get
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: into it in another episode, but like theyre trying to
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: make it so miserable. But I'm like everyone here is
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: like pretty much living their dream. Like let's make this
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: positive like environment. You know, it doesn't make any sense.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: All right, Final question, Michael Maniaki, what were your cactus
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Jack sleeping in his car moments while working in and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: he's any any big low moments.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I mean, I don't think so
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: at all. We didn't really have anything like that.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: If everything we made no money, I.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Mean, that's that's the god.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: There was no money involved in this.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Amy Dragon once gave me that that head patented like
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: empty envelope. I know that the envelope.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I don't even recall ever getting paid. I know at
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Jersey all Pro, that big Robbie show, we got thirty
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: bucks each and I was like, well.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: I remember we were supposed to work for a Carmine
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: sab yet and it's like a big deal for us
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: because we got like an outside book it might have
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: been our first outside booking ever. And then like we
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: found out it got canceled that day by like some
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: message board thing. Yeah, like he didn't even content even
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: like last year he like content me on Twitters, like
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: hey call me or dm me, I have something to
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: talk about, Like no, you canceled the book you got
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: me like five years ago. I remember like when we
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: were during you know, our indie run. We this like
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: probably the biggest thing we ever did was and looking back,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: it's not that big of a deal, but at the
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: time it was huge. We got called to be extras
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: at SmackDown, and like I remember, I was panicking because
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: like Brian was like I don't think you were like
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: playing baseball some of your friends at college like Tommy Dreamers.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Though where's Brian. Where's Like I don't know, he's.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Nothing that happened like Sunday myself fall league in my
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: college where I was out like hanging out with my buddies.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: Like you didn't have yourself on, like on you at
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: all times.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like not like that.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: And then he raced back from from college. We like
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: tanned ourselves like with like fake tannor like horrible fake Tanner,
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: like in my parents like bathroom upstairs. I had like
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: a sleepover party. They went to MSG. Like we didn't
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: even have roller bags like big Nike, like Duffel bags
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: or whatever, and like we're shaking everyone's head. We don't
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: know what we've told this story before, but like just
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: thinking back.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: To like insane experience.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: We also, at least me, I was actually always already.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: I didn't have any gear that wasn't like Myers and
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: Matthews gear, and I was wrestling like Mad Moore. They
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: were very like strict like don't oil up. There was
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: basically don't look good, don't put whatever. So I had
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: to use Brian. Brian luckily had like some blue like
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: patterners my mom.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Bought me for Christmas and I just had I never wore.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I just keep them in my bag, just aneric baby
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: blue bikers that were like way too long from high spots.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I wore those and like that was like
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: probably our biggest thing and like it was cool, Like
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know, do I. I. When we had our
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: WW try out, I didn't think we were getting signed
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: from It was terrible, but I was like, all right,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: we're twenty, we got w try out. This is good
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: good so they know who we are, and we ended
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: up getting signed. Like I think things were starting to
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: pick up for us. I think we were going to
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: do that mys Matthew's entertainment thing. I think I think
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: it wouldn't have I do think things would have really
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: picked up for us.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: I do think that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: But all right, well the next one, guys, there's a
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: lot of meat on the bone, because both Matt and
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Brian feel like Deep South developmental could be a dark
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: side of the ring episode, so.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: In a good way.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Hey, her stuff. If it's developmental, it's deep South OBW.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: And you can even ask me FCW questions.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: All right, so developmental questions for next month going on,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I'll get a I'll get a thread going and then also, and.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: You know what, then you could ask me some NXT questions.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: I mean I kind of did that too, So yeah.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Look out for the Chelsea and Liz question thing.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: To follow the line with Liz and Chelsea come soon.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks guys, we're on the dogs.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Stands. Stan