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Putting Your World Back Together After It All Falls Apart With Lisa Appelo · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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Hi listeners. Welcome to the.
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She speaks live podcast a weekly encouragement where we share our
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God's stories. I'm your host.
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Jamie Elizabeth and I am so glad you are spending time with us
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today to listen. Hi friend.
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Welcome back to she speaks live today.
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I have with me author, Lisa apollo' of life can be good
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again. Putting your world back together
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after it falls apart. She's going to share with us
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about the sudden tragic loss of her husband and give us
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encouragement on. What do we do when grief enters
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our world and how do we get through any loss that upends
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life? Hello Lisa Thank you for coming
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on here. Thank you so much for having me.
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I appreciate it. Yeah, I mean I can't imagine
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walking through this tragedy here and what you experienced
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and I am so grateful though, that you are using your story to
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serve others and helping them anchor, their faith and cope
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with a new reality. And I know that takes obedience
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It's and that takes courage on your part.
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And I just want to say thank you, thank you for being on
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here. To encourage those that have
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walk through a similar experience or loss, a job, or a
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home that you have some hope to give us on, how do we get
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through that and get to the other side.
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So thank you. And I would just love it if you
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could just take Is back to when you first met your husband and I
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know we all have these preconceived ideas of what
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marriage would look like. And just give us a little back
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story on your relationship with him.
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Sure. So I met Dan and seventh grade
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we were. I know, he was just another boy
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when you through, but that point, right?
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But as we kind of nice and high school, we became really good
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friends. We were part of a group of
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really good guy. My girlfriends and then we
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started dating. So he was actually my first
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date, he was my only date it was right before my 16th birthday
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and, you know, we just he was we had been such good friends that
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I knew that we would work as a couple.
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And so we we went to college together because I figured that
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this was, you know, I didn't want like going away to college
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kind of to mess up our relationship.
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So we went to college together, we ended up getting married in
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college. And either wife kind of just
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sailed on, we kept taking the things off that we were in our
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plans. We had children, he wanted to, I
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wanted three, we went ended up with seven children.
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Oh my goodness. By the end you know God vetoed
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both of us but it life was not perfect by any stretch.
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We had Financial pressures and challenges that we had to get
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through. That were very difficult.
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Some of them, we had parenting struggles.
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We had marriage, Tissues. So these were all things that we
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had to walk through. But, you know, by by the summer
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of, it was 10 years ago by that summer actually Father's Day
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weekend. I, if you had asked me, I would
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have said, this is the life I want.
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Like if I could carve out the life I want or plan it, this is
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all I've wanted, is to be a mom to be in a solid marriage.
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We were to place where Dan was loved his work.
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The kids were in a good place. So, We were on very ordinary
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Friday morning. What I thought was ordinary we
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were it was still dark out actually and I woke up to Dan's
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funny breathing and I wasn't even awake enough to open my
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eyes but I just kind of reached my hand out and said it's okay
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hon it's just a nightmare. I just thought he would turn
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over and we wake up to his alarm a few hours later and when he
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didn't wake up I kind of woke up when he didn't turn over.
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I kind of woke up, more and flipped on the overhead light
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and I could see Immediately that something was very wrong that he
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was non-responsive. And so, you know, I called 911,
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she began walking me through CPR, and as I was doing CPR, I
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just thought it was kind of two things.
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Like one I was in the moment doing the counting, you know,
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trying to be very present and do as well as I could.
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But I was also thinking like I am not giving CPR to the man.
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I just kiss goodnight a few hours ago like this is I am not
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going to see parts of the way. Of our family.
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And within a point, we got through two rounds of CPR.
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The paramedics were there and took over shift me, out of the
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room. I thought, okay, he is in good
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hands and he's going to be really mad when he wakes up and
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realizes. He can't go to work today.
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And yet at the same time, I was very hopeful because this had
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come from nowhere. There were no signs, no
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symptoms, no, anything. And yet I could also see that
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this is very dire and I just was kind of outside the the room
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praying audibly, you know, for the god to have mercy on us,
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Lord, have mercy on us and so they took him by stretcher to
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the hospital and I followed it was only a few minutes after I
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arrived when an ER doctor said that they had worked on him for
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over two hours and they had never been able to revive him.
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So like in one night sleep life, just collapsed the life that I
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had loved the person who was such a sin Part of that for all
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of us not just for me but for my children it just was shattered
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and it would never be again. Mmm.
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Oh my goodness I just can't imagine.
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Can't imagine did they find out what he had or what happened?
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Yes. So my Hospital didn't even give
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me a choice just that they would do an autopsy, which was fine
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because we really wanted to. I wanted to know and there was
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an underlying condition that had we known a heart condition that
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had we known was probably Lee treatable.
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So it wasn't like your typical artery blocking.
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He didn't have any of that, but it was something that had we
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known, it's treatable everything from medication over the, you
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know, prescription medication to maybe a pacemaker, but we didn't
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know. And so I just had to wrestle
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through that and say God could have given us warning, God could
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have caused him to have some pain but I had been with him
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actually the four days before he and I had gotten away.
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He had a business trip down in the Keys.
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I'm in Florida and he wanted me to go.
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And I never went away with him because seven kids, and it was
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just too hard to find somebody to come.
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Be me in the house, but I did, I just got away with him for those
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four days. It was such a gift because not
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only do we have that time together which now I look back
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on so as such a treasure but I was with him, I could see that
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nothing. There was nothing that I could
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have seen, that would have been a warning and that really let me
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off the hook because so many many times in these kind of
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losses, their sets of regret and guilt like I should have known,
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I should have seen, I should have done something I could have
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and I did go through that. But I had a very quickly just
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leave that in the hands of the Lord.
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Yeah. And not receive that lie from
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the enemy. Oh wow.
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Yeah. What a beautiful time you had
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before the passing, I know it's Florida.
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Keys is a special place in our heart.
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We go there almost every Mer to vacation.
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So I know that place very well and gosh, I can't imagine.
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And I know your book is called life can be good again.
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Putting your world back together after it falls apart.
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I mean, how can you do that? Share with us.
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Like, what do you mean by that? Take us through the process to
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get to that point where you can say, life can be good again?
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Well, I can tell you that I was isn't saying life can be good
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again. That was not my mom's Mantra in
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those first months or even the first year was.
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Yeah, I think we go into survival mode and I was so naive
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about grief. I had never gone through
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anything like this. I had I had gone through some
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miscarriages but they were nothing really for me, they
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were, I had grieved those, but this just shattered so much.
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I remember saying to myself, I Will Never Smile Again.
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Like, I might make it through this, but I don't know if I'll
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ever feel Joy again while I ever feel that warm bubbly organic
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happiness, just coming up. And the same time I worried that
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I would never feel that I fought for it, because I did not want
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to just survive. I wanted to feel that again.
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I wanted to smile again. I wanted to feel that that Joy
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of life again, but it's a hard place and if anybody's walking
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through that if you have been through a miscarriage or child
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loss or even, there's a lot of ways we can go through
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shattering loss. It could be a spouse that walks
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out that says I never loved you or even a dear friend of mine
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who had she and her husband to put their heart and soul and
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Sweat Equity and years into building this business and
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something happened and it was gone and it just changed so much
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of their life. Yeah not just financially but
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just had so many. Couple of facts.
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So when we go through something like that, you know, I think
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it's very important to focus on being honest in our emotions and
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not feel like we have to show up a certain way or slap a
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platitude on it or fake that we're fine, the Bible gives us
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permission to do what we call a met.
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And I came to see that that my emotions hard as they were.
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We're not just safe with God, but they were safe, vest with
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God and everyone. I was kind of get away, I get in
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my minivan. You I'd get the kids started for
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the day and then I would just either cry audibly or journal or
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pray through my fears and my needs my overwhelm and then I
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would just kind of lay that at the feet of the Lord, pick up
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the word and just be reminded of who he is and how he cares for
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us. So good.
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I just recently went through a bible study on Lamentations and
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wow, it was at a perfect time. I was going through.
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Grieving myself, and it just really made it be okay to just
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lay it all out to the Lord and have that hope that he delivers.
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And, you know, obviously having seven kids, it's not just you,
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that's losing your husband, your kids are losing their father as
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well. How were you able to be there
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for your kids, all seven of them?
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We were at the time they were 46, 12, 14, 16 17, 19.
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So I had them all the ages and you know like I said I was I was
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so naive but I think one of the things that really a couple
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things really served. As one is we were just authentic
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with it. I did not feel like I had to be
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some kind of Super Mom at that moment or have all the answers.
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They did have a lot of questions and they had some hard questions
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and some of them I knew the answers to Some of them we got
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the word or got books and explored it together and some of
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them I didn't know the answers to, you know, and things like
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will you die early? You know, my little one wanted
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to know that. Well, I couldn't say no that
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will never happen much as I would love to promise that I
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can't promise that but I could direct her to the truth that God
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knows our days and that God will always be there and will always
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provide for and that I have put into place.
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Things for them if you know, something were ever to happen
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for me. So I think, you know, I became
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really a student of my children and a student of grief all over
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again. I saw that.
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They all that we all grieve differently, and we know that as
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adults, but children grieve differently than adults
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toddlers, grieve differently than teens and tweens girls
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generally grieve differently than boys, and so it would look
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different for them. The second thing that really
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helped us was very early on, I think it was the first time we
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sat down to do like a Bible time together after dance memorial
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service and everybody had gone home and your house had quieted
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we were all sitting around on couches and chairs and I said
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we're going to have to have a lot of Grace with each other.
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We're going to need a lot of Gray's and that kind of became
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the umbrella. It's not that I spoke that every
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day to them but I internalized it and I knew as a mom, I would
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need a lot of Grace. Always learning to single parent
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and that they would need Grace with each other.
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And with me I learned that the young ones are very concrete and
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their grief. If anybody's walking children
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through, you know that kids just are very honest though, will
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blurt out. So my four-year-old every day
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for every year she'd be like I'm don't you just cry in her car
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seat? If I miss Daddy, I miss Daddy
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and we would have that same conversation for over a year and
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I would just coach myself like Lisa do Do not get frustrated
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you, she's trying to learn the permanency of death for my tween
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and teen boys. They wanted life to feel normal.
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They wanted they didn't want to be singled out as that kid whose
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dad whatever. So when they were at church,
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when they were on the sports field, when they were friends,
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they needed that attention and they needed somebody to speak
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into them, but they didn't want to be labeled as that kid.
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So it was very important for me to make our home a safe place
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for conversation and to keep that conversation going and just
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by bringing up things like your dad would have loved this.
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Or he would have been so proud of you or telling stories just
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continuing to open that conversation through.
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So they could join it. And then I think my 17 year old
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daughter and my 19 year old son, probably grieved.
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Most like I was, as an adult, you know, as adults, we carry
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our grief, we don't go in and out for kids.
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It's too much. So you'll see them kind of like
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playing with. Friends, like everything's
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normal. And then having this quiet time
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where they're just, you tears are coming in, the conversation
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is open. Yeah, I had a best friend when I
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was a little girl. And so most of our, my young
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childhood years, we did everything together and her mom
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passed away. So I experienced her as, you
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know, 78 years old playing with Me and then all of a sudden
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having these outbursts of just anger and you know, scary
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almost. I would, you know, be like well
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I think I'm gonna go home because I didn't understand,
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right? Sure.
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And so, I know what you mean that goes, It goes in and out
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and little, then I know back then that that's what she was,
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experiencing was a grief. So glad you just brought that up
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because now, I'm realizing that that's what was happening.
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Into my, my friend. So, and I think his teachers
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coaches, Sunday school leaders, youth leaders.
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We need to be great for where we need to know that, even if
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they're not speaking about it, they are think we know
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statistics. Tell us that kids and teens
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constantly have this at the top of their thoughts that loss.
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And so, it's okay to say the name to say I'm praying for you
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to say, how can I pray for you today or man?
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I loved your mom. She was let me tell you.
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With my favorite story, you know, things like that are just
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gold. Yeah.
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Yeah. Bringing it up.
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Not shoving it under the rug or trying to pretend.
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Yeah, so good. You had mentioned some Idols
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during our suffering, how can we begin that healing and anger and
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bitterness that we may experience and I'm interested to
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hear what you mean by idols. Your suffering, I think for me
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and for many, what suffering does is it reveals some of the
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idols that we had that we maybe didn't even know we're there.
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So for me it one of them was the idol of control.
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You know, when Things Fall Apart we realize we are actually not
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in control. And why did we ever think we
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were as much as we'd love to control our circumstances?
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That we can't control everything.
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We can't control every outcome and so So that I don't have
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control was revealed. And then another one from me
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that was revealed is Idol of self-sufficiency.
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I am really good about bringing you the dinner if you are
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suffering but I'm not as good opening myself up and being
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vulnerable for others to lean in and help us when we're going
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through suffering. So both of those and there were
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more Idols but those were two that will really reveal that.
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You know, when life fell apart for us, I would find myself for
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the first time in a place of utter dependency on.
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God, we were a single income family that income was now gone
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to our finances were just, I was completely dependent on God even
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though there were some being, there was a safety net.
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But still long-term, I didn't know how that would pan out for
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a family of eight. At this point, I was cut was
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depend on God to help me parent, you know, all these decisions
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that I had been able to go to somebody and And think through
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and rely on somebody or like clock out, I am weary, can you
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take over? You know, I'm done being the bad
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cop, getting to come in, you know, I was not carrying that
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and so reliant on God for that wisdom.
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And that guidance I was, depending on God to help us just
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to heal us to heal our broken hearts.
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I could not fix my kids pain, and as a mom that is just that's
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almost as hard as you carrying your own pain knowing that your
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children are A something that is heart-wrenching and that you
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can't fix it. So when life imploded, it was
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the first time really, that I had found myself in a position
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of utter dependency on God, and all the other times it had been
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relegated, you know, I'd been through hard places.
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It had been like part of my life like maybe my finances or a
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health issue or a kid's issue, but this was like all of life.
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We are single income family. I was now parenting alone.
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My children, you know, just in every area.
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Area, just all my decision-making, I was so
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dependent on God and that is uncomfortable.
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If that place is it's really the place that we were created to be
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God created us to be fully and 100% dependent on him.
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And while I think as Christians most of us want to be in that
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place where we are 100% trust in God we don't so much want the
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circumstances that are going to cause us to get there but in
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that place I realized I can learn God and see him a ways.
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I never would otherwise you. It said in your book how we can
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hang on to hope and can you just kind of take us through?
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Like how does God reshape our broken heart when it's been
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shattered, like, it was for you and a million pieces?
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Like how do you pick up and get that?
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Hope again, when life implodes in any number of ways that it
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can It's easy to think that we are a victim of all of that
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circumstance and to a larger sense.
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We just talked about, we are not in control, and we do realize
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that and yet in that place, there are steps that we can take
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the our, our response is within our control.
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And I can tell you, like, I didn't so much do this, because
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I was so put together and so intentional, I was just
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desperate. To survive for God to pour hope
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and to me and to and to feel good again and it took a long,
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long time but the couple things really helped me and the first,
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is that every day, I would kind of get my kids started and then
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I would get away by myself in my minivan.
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Some people have a prayer closet, I have a minivan and it
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because it's the only place where it was quiet.
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Nobody could come in there. But, you know, first I would
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Yeah, I would just cry out to the Lord.
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I would Journal it out. I would pray and I would just
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give got all of my heart emotion and my hard questions and then I
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would pick up the word. So I was reading through the
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Bible for the year and I actually hadn't started that in
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January. I didn't Dan was actually
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reading through the Bible for a year and I picked up his journal
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and his his schedule and just picked it up in June and so,
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whatever was, you know, scheduled to be read that day.
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It might be Leviticus, it might be.
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So Arms no matter where I was, God would meet me on the pages
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of scripture and he would give me enough.
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Hope by reminding me of who he is his character or his
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promises. He would give me enough hope to
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go back into the house and be able to parent that day and do
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the tasks of that day and it wasn't enough for the whole
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week. I had to go back in the next day
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and do the same thing. I kept, I started to call it the
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Great Exchange because I would give God my Despair and my
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sadness. My loneliness, my fee, Fear my
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frustration you know our anger and then I would pick up his his
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hope his promises, his goodness and just be reminded that he was
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walking me through. That was a huge, huge game
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changer for me. And the other thing was that I
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started doing again, not because I had some, I was some
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altruistic person who just knew to do this.
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I was just desperate. I thought, if you would ask me,
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I would have said yeah. God is Ed, but I didn't see
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God's goodness from me in that and I needed see it in the life
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that felt so bad. I needed to see God's goodness
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and months into my grief journey.
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I just started to write like everyday had opened my journal
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and write a number one, through seven.
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And right, seven things I would pause and look back over the day
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before and see where God's hand had been.
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It might be little things like, you know, the robins redbreast
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coming, and Glittering all over the yard or the rain on the roof
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last night or that walk I got to take or that fun time.
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We had with the kids or the way you provided through this or
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coffee with a friend. It could have been any number of
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things but as I did that I as we thank God and focus on
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cultivating goodness and thankfulness gratitude in our
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life, God opens our eyes to more that he is doing.
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And so it's kind of this And where we thank God for all the
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goodness, he's doing, and he opens our eyes even more to the
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goodness. He's doing and then it helped me
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connect the dots, you know, things.
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I was praying for and how he was answering.
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So so many ways, those two practices really helped me, see
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that God had not dropped us. That God had not forgotten about
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us that though. This is not what I expected or
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wanted. And I would give it back in a
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minute that God's goodness was for us and that he was actively
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working in. Our Lives.
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Yeah, wow, that is beautiful and I love how you called it The
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Great Exchange and it really is his Living Word that brings us
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that peace, that surpasses all understanding, and the strength
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we need and going to it daily and I love how you just
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explained all of that. That that's what gives us our
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hope and makes us go back again to the Lord.
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He is our refuge every single day.
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You went back into that quiet time.
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To grab on to everything. He has to offer.
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And, wow, that is so inspiring to many of us listening.
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And you had said in your book that when we suffer a loss, God
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is not writing a plan. B for us.
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Instead, he is leading us toward chapter 2.
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Can you explain some of these ideas?
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I think that's a A great quote. Yes, this was so pivotal for me
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and it did not come early in my grief, it came somewhere in your
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to and I'd have to go back to my journals to find out when I
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realized this. But it was such a shift for me
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because one day I was in my minivan again and I was just
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either I thought it or I was journaling out like this is not
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the life I ordered. And this is not what I want and
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as I you know, that thought To the top of my thoughts, this
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followed, and that is that God has allowed it.
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And, as such it is not plan B that God while I didn't expect
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it. And well, I didn't see it coming
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that God did, and he doesn't give us the leftovers of a life.
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It's not like he turned his head or drop something for a minute.
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And now we're consigned to living out second best because
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God would never, he could never, Give his children second best
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and because God had allowed it by definition, it has as much,
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abundance and good and joy here, as there were and all the days
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before. And he know that was so
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eye-opening to me and it's not like, I immediately was like, oh
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okay, I feel better. But what it did do was it gave
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me like it realized my heart to the truth and it helped me lean
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into that until my Heart and my emotions caught up.
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That one day I would see that. Abundance and one day, I would
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see all that joy, and one day, I would see all that goodness.
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Again. I had seen pockets of it.
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I had seen that these sprinkled throughout, but that I would get
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to a place where I could say life is good again.
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And you have brought me through like the worst and the hardest
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that I never wanted. Wow, that's so good.
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So, where are you guys at? At now, like, how is life?
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Now you go? And now.
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Yeah, that's a great question. I love that.
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We are 10 years into this, which, if anybody is walk
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through any kind of Life implosion, you know, time warps
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and we kind of always it always becomes a fulcrum in our life
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like life before that date and life after that date.
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All right, you know, I was so fearful I fear for my kids, I
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feared that they would act out in their grief.
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I feared Getting them grown. You know, I thought getting
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these teen boys especially grown and launched without their
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six-foot-three, dad, how in the world?
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Am I going to do that? And I, you know, I had to take
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that. I had to really figure out how
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to deal with that fear. But, to be 10 years in and to
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see my kids flourishing, it is just such a gift because these
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were the days that I just, you know, I hoped God would bring
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and I had, Faith, that God will bring.
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But man, there is a big gap when you're standing in the shards of
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Brokenness and you cannot yet. See that and just that trust
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just that walking day in day out trust and listen, I did not
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parent perfectly through this. I made a lot of mistakes as I
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parented through this, but to see that God's mercy has kept us
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that he provided for us, that he gave me wisdom.
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That he provided People who would speak into my children for
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years. She'll but their games when they
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play job on their senior nights, God just has brought us through.
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And I would just tell anyone who's in that place, who was not
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in that place. Yet who's still standing in the
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shards of loss, to just do the hard work of grief, your hard
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work. You know, I love something 26,
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and it makes me cry, but I prayed that so often in Hope.
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And it says, as those who sow in tears will reap with sheaves of
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Joy, those who go out on. If I'm going to remember it
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correctly, those who go out, weeping will come back carrying
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sheaves of joy. And I just prayed that because I
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was sewing in tears, and I was sewing with with just deep
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weeping and to be here, now, not, that life is perfect.
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My life will never be perfect. Right there will always, I, we
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are waiting right now on a Apology report for one of my
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children, but God has walked us through, and my kids have seen
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God in ways that they never would have otherwise, right?
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Yeah, I mean, it just makes me tear up of how beautiful God is
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and his faithfulness and a praying mama.
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You were a Praying mama who drew herself to the word every day.
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And, you know, I'm sure there were times where you didn't feel
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like Like doing that but you knew like this is gonna be my
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anchor and this is how I'm going to be able to Mom.
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Best is only through God's strength and so you needed to
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have that time with the Lord and this is the fruit of a mom going
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after the Lord hard after something.
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So tragic and praying. This is the power.
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In prayer. And I love speaking on prayer on
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how big of a weapon it is for us and how it moves mountains and
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shifts atmospheres and it creates things that, you know,
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no other thing can. I mean it's just God, it has
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gone before us and he like you said, we don't get leftovers
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with him. We get the best and he's going
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to show up and turn. Everything for the good for his
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glory, to those who love him, and I just am in awe of his
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faithfulness and in awe of your obedience and just a example of
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what it is to be a Praying mama and being directed by the Lord
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and what his word says. And yeah, just complete
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surrender, I know that. Be there.
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Some people listening that are grieving right now or have gone
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through the process of grieving. I know, I like to ask the guests
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at take away that the listener can ponder on when they're done
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listening. So, do you have just a takeaway
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here to give us as we conclude this episode?
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Yeah, I'll just follow up on your remark about praying.
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Mama that just hit me. So So deeply just now and I you
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know, remember one day being at the beach and watching my then
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maybe he was maybe 11 years old. He had been six when his father
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passed away. 11 years old, walking up the beach, carrying
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his dad surfboard, and it just brought back a flood of memories
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because his dad had been a surfer Sitting in my chair
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watching him walk up toward me toward our towels thinking.
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This is not the childhood I wanted for you and in that place
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saying, but this is the childhood, God has allowed and
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the prayer. I have always prayed for my kids
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that they would love the Lord with all of their heart and soul
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and mind and strength, that maybe God can use this in ways
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that I never would have imagined or chosen.
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To answer that prayer and to be their God and ways that they
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see. So clearly you know, as we
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grieve together the pain when God walks us through, it's not
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that the pain goes away. There he will always be missed.
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I mean, I'm not in that raw active grief, I am through that
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appraisal or through that, but at every dinner, he is missed,
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and every Christmas at every graduation at every game, you
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know? For my child he's missed and yet
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God can just like you said for the praying Mama, God can answer
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our prayers for our child through circumstances we would
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never choose. You sure can okay where can
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people connect with you and and pick up this Puck.
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Sure you can find me at my website which is Lisa
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apollo'.com to peas 1 L that's kind of the Hub and you can pick
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up the book anywhere on hopefully in your local
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bookstore. I'd love that.
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Even maybe Library. You can request it there but you
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can pick it up anywhere online. Amazon christianbook.com life
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way. All those places so good.
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Well, Lisa, thank you for sharing the story and I gotta
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dry up here, I know, right? So it's like Ashes to beauty.
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And I mean, it's just how the Lord just will restore and
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redeem. And I just it's a beautiful
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thing. It's not beautiful to go through
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it, but What we see on the other side and and what he creates out
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of it, I'm so glad that you're here to share that with us.
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So thank you so much for giving us this hope and encouragement
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today. I'm so happy to be here.
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Thank you so much for asking such good questions and just
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creating this space. Thank you.
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Thank you so much for listening today.
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Until next time, my friends. I pray God, reveals himself
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