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CULT MOM LORI VALLOW: MORE MURDERS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease Calt, Mom Laurie Valo guilty,
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Speaker 1: guilty and the murders of her children Tyley and JJ.
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Speaker 1: But that's not the end, Caltmom Laurie Value facing more
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Speaker 1: murder charges in another jurisdiction. Will she get the death
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Speaker 1: penalty there? Not only that, will she be a key
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Speaker 1: witness against her prophet husband Chad Dabel. Is he planning
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Speaker 1: to put all the blame on her at his murder trial?
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Speaker 1: Will he get the death penalty? Or are they both
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Speaker 1: going to throw brother Alex Cox under the bus. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, we see called Mom Laurie Valos mugshot.
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Speaker 1: She is glamed to the max with a full face
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Speaker 1: of makeup and a full head of air and a
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Speaker 1: smirky smile. This after being convicted in the murders for children.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Vocination and Serious XEM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear what she said.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes she did. Take a listen.
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Speaker 2: Many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me and
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Speaker 2: even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications, I
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Speaker 2: know for a fact that my children are happy and
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Speaker 2: busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with
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Speaker 2: my friend Tammy Dabel, I know that she is also
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Speaker 2: very happy and extremely busy.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, since they're very happy and they apparently have
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Speaker 1: new jobs in heaven. And I'm not saying that, I
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Speaker 1: doubt that, I guess call it mom. Lori Valo is
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Speaker 1: using their post mortem happiness in heaven as a reason
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Speaker 1: that she should not go to jail, but then to
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Speaker 1: just kick it all off. The cherry on top of
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Speaker 1: this sour cake is cut four or five one where
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Speaker 1: she actually quotes Christ as a reason she should not
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Speaker 1: go to jail. Take a listen.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to start by quoting John from the New
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Speaker 2: Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,
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Speaker 2: Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let
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Speaker 2: him first cast a stone at her. Then in verse fifteen,
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Speaker 2: Jesus says, you judge after the flesh. I judge no man.
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Speaker 2: And yet if I judge, my judgment is true.
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Speaker 1: Okay, she's conveniently leaving out that little caveat the ten
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Speaker 1: commandments thou shall not kill. But she goes on and somehow,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this in jest. I'm saying this
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Speaker 1: in anger. Somehow she's using or trying to use, our
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Speaker 1: Lord Christ as a PI, a private investigator. Listen to
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Speaker 1: cut four five two, Brace yourself.
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Speaker 2: Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I mourn with
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Speaker 2: all of you who mourn my children and Tammy. Jesus
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Speaker 2: Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus Christ
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Speaker 2: knows that no one was murdered in this case. Accidental
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Speaker 2: deaths happen, suicides happen, Fatal side effects from medications happened.
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton joining me along with an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now and
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Speaker 1: what is coming next for coltmom Laurie Valo. Nate Eaten,
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Speaker 1: news director Eastidaho News dot Com, on the story from
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Speaker 1: the very beginning. He was the one chasing colt mom
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Speaker 1: Lori Valo along the sidewalk in Hawaii, asking her, where
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Speaker 1: are your children? Where are your children? Where are your children?
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Speaker 1: That was him. That's how long he has been trying
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Speaker 1: to find JJ and Tylee has been in the courtroom
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Speaker 1: since day one. I'm actually getting chills. That this woman
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Speaker 1: used Christ is a reason she should not go to jail.
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Speaker 1: I'm all for her, knowing the Lord, I'm happy for
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Speaker 1: her in that context, and she can do that behind bars.
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Speaker 3: Well, she will be doing that behind bars to the
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Speaker 3: rest of her life, Nancy, because the judge sentenced her
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Speaker 3: to five life sentences, three consecutives that will run one
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Speaker 3: after the other after the other, the two concurrent so
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Speaker 3: and this is no chance of parole. She will be
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Speaker 3: in prison the rest of her life. I think when
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Speaker 3: she said that statement in court, you know, we haven't
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Speaker 3: heard anything from Laurie for the past three and a
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Speaker 3: half four years.
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Speaker 1: Why do you insist on calling her by her first
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Speaker 1: name like your friends.
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Speaker 3: We haven't heard a word from her, Nancy. And so
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Speaker 3: I think everybody was waiting to see, will she finally
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Speaker 3: admit that she did something wrong, Will she finally say apologize?
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Speaker 3: Will she finally give give a reason for why this happened.
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Speaker 3: So when she went on and on for about ten minutes,
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Speaker 3: quoting the scriptures, quoting Jesus, I think many people were
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Speaker 3: just agast that was her comments.
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Speaker 1: I mean, right out of the gate, she goes to
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Speaker 1: one of my favorites, John, I'm just okay, let me
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Speaker 1: get away from that. But to say that her children
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Speaker 1: are happy and busy. And he then and there was
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Speaker 1: one point where, guys, Mark Tate, you were watching the
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Speaker 1: verdict right there with me, and I mean the senacing
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Speaker 1: markin Tate is with me, high profile trial lawyer with
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Speaker 1: the Tate Group, and you can find it on Twitter
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Speaker 1: at Tate Law Group. She actually said that her son,
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Speaker 1: seven year old JJ, said Mommy, you didn't do anything wrong.
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Speaker 4: God, it's just disgusting. And you know, and I say this, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: and I bring to you, know, your discussion sometimes a
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Speaker 4: point of view that you don't necessarily appreciate.
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Speaker 1: But I'm going to tell you I have dealt with
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Speaker 1: a lot of.
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Speaker 4: Prisoners and I used to work in the in the
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Speaker 4: Georgia Prisoner Legal Counseling Project, reviewing convictions in various other
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Speaker 4: aspects of prison and sentencing. This is one of the
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Speaker 4: worst dependents that I can remember who's actually allowed to
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Speaker 4: and does choose the option of talking to the families
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Speaker 4: of the victims the way she did. It's unbelievable and
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Speaker 4: there is just no indication of any kind of remorse.
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Speaker 4: In fact, it's more like this, this thing, this woman
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Speaker 4: is actually celebrating and saying that she did good. And
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Speaker 4: you know, this is the kind of thing that churns
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Speaker 4: the stomach even among you know, people who oppose the
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Speaker 4: death penalty. That's the kind of comment you hear where
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Speaker 4: you're thinking, you know, if there ever was a need,
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Speaker 4: if there was a reason, even if it's just retribution,
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Speaker 4: that woman screams out for it.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys with Me in addition
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Speaker 1: to our all star panel, Doctor Angie Arnold with Us, Robin,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, Nate of course, Nate Aidon, Mark Tate.
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Speaker 1: Two very special guests joining me right now, Adam Cox,
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Speaker 1: who is Laurie Valo's brother, and Rex Connor, Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: Davelle's uncle and host of a podcast. And I'm very
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Speaker 1: intrigued by the name of this podcast, Tiley in JJ's
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Speaker 1: Silver Linings. Rex is also the author of Laurie's Lies
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Speaker 1: and Family Ties Healing from the TIY and JJ Tragedy. Wow,
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Speaker 1: just the way you put that in that title really
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Speaker 1: says it all. Lurie Lori Valos, Lies and Family Ties
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Speaker 1: Healing from the Tiley in JJ Tragedy. To you, Adam Cox,
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Speaker 1: this is Caltman, Laurie Valo's brother her. I would like
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Speaker 1: to hear your reaction, and I apologize if I'm coming
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Speaker 1: down hard on Laurie Valley to the extent that it
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Speaker 1: may hurt your or Rex's feelings. But I believe it's
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Speaker 1: completely true everything that I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not We're not offended by anything that you said. Nancy.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's just a it's a tragedy. It is
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Speaker 5: it's hard to it's been hard to deal with for
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Speaker 5: the last four years. And you know, anytime that you
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Speaker 5: see a member of your family that was that's made
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Speaker 5: such a huge change in their life. And you know,
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Speaker 5: obviously when you listen to her speak, she's she's delusional.
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Speaker 5: She's she's out of her mind, basically, Otherwise, you know,
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Speaker 5: a rational person wouldn't do or say what she said
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Speaker 5: in in court. So I think that she's living in
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Speaker 5: a delusion and or you know, I just never I
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Speaker 5: just never had seen her like this until you know,
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Speaker 5: she changed a while back. And so Rex and I
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Speaker 5: have come together and did a podcast and wrote a
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Speaker 5: book about, you know, healing from it, because you know,
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of families and people out there that
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Speaker 5: it's not just my family that has gone through I mean,
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Speaker 5: ours is very unique, and this is such a bizarre
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Speaker 5: case and it's such a crazy thing that happened in
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Speaker 5: tragedy all around, but there are families that do struggle
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Speaker 5: with family members, and so we're trying to do trying
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Speaker 5: to find silver lennings and trying to find some positive
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Speaker 5: that has come out of this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, see, I know you're calt Mal, Lauren Valley's brother.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that you wrote the book and hosts
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Speaker 1: a podcast along with Rex Connor. I want to tell
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Speaker 1: you some Adam, that I'm not shared with anyone until
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Speaker 1: this moment. This weekend, Sunday mark the day that my
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Speaker 1: fiancee Keith was murdered, And even this many years later,
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Speaker 1: it's still devastating. I think back on it. What did
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Speaker 1: he suffer, what did he feel? What did he go through?
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Speaker 1: Was it quick? I just I think about what my
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Speaker 1: life and his family's life would have been if he
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Speaker 1: had not been murdered. And I thought I knew it all,
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Speaker 1: Adam andres about grieving and mourning and pain, and I
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Speaker 1: couldn't imagine remarrying for nearly thirty years. I was caught
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Speaker 1: in that grief but now that I have children, the
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Speaker 1: thought of something happening to one of my children is
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Speaker 1: I literally feel sick. And when I think of Lori
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Speaker 1: Valo sitting there in that courtroom saying that her children
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Speaker 1: are happy and busy, I pray to God in Heaven
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Speaker 1: that's true. But that's no doing of Lori Valos. That
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Speaker 1: would be doing of the Lord Almighty. Rex Connor, I
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Speaker 1: find it highly offensive that she used her own children,
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Speaker 1: much less our Holy Lord Jesus Christ, as a reason
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Speaker 1: she shouldn't go to jail.
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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, man say it's hard to talk
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Speaker 6: and keep it together after your story. That's heure, Jerky.
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Speaker 6: I was in the courtroom, so was Nate when she
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Speaker 6: was making those statements, and that was so difficult to hear.
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Speaker 6: I was so enraged. I've been trying to get past
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Speaker 6: that and get to a place where I cannot be enraged,
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Speaker 6: not pass on to rage. Everyone has plenty from that.
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Speaker 6: Adam and I are trying to, first of all, trying
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Speaker 6: to heal ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Right now, Rex, the anger at Caltmam Laurie Vale. Not
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Speaker 1: only are the children dead, but the way Tiley was
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Speaker 1: basically annihilated, disseminated and then there are other victims as well.
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Speaker 1: Just the rage. It feels like a stone on my chest.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for all of us. I don't know
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Speaker 6: if too many exceptions to that, whether your family members
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Speaker 6: or not. Everyone that hears the story is offended. Everyone
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Speaker 6: that heard her statement is offended. We can't we don't
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Speaker 6: even want to make sense of it. We just it's
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Speaker 6: so offensive, it's beyond the pale. So we're trying to
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Speaker 6: get through it. We don't know how. We're having the
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Speaker 6: help of a lot of people interacting in our podcast.
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Speaker 6: Of course we're going to the therapy ourselves, but we're
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Speaker 6: glad to be a part of the effort to try
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Speaker 6: to heal from this, and it's going to be an
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Speaker 6: effort for a long long time, maybe the rest of
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Speaker 6: our lives.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to know the name of this again.
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Speaker 1: Adam Cox and Rex Connor podcast Tyley and JJ's Silver Linings,
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Speaker 1: their book Laurie's Lies and Family Ties, Healing from the
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Speaker 1: Tiley and JJ Tragedy. Rex, when did it finally sink in?
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Speaker 1: They called mom Laurie Valo had to hand in murdering
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Speaker 1: her two children.
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Speaker 6: Well, Adam and I, being of like mind, thought that
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Speaker 6: from the very beginning when the children were missing, because
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Speaker 6: there is no other explanation, especially if you know both
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Speaker 6: Tyley and JJ. You know they weren't hidden out somewhere,
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Speaker 6: and you know Tylie's not being quiet for as long
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Speaker 6: as as that drug out. So we suspected that. But
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Speaker 6: your question was when did it hit home? And my
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Speaker 6: wife and I tried to stay away from the detail
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Speaker 6: tales for quite some time, just knowing that it happened.
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Speaker 6: Of course, they found the bodies, even then we didn't
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Speaker 6: want the details. We stayed away pretty well until I
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Speaker 6: went to court and unfortunately had the bad time of
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Speaker 6: choosing days where they went through the details of their
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Speaker 6: death and nauseating detail as they needed to do. And
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Speaker 6: I think that's when the rage started or we were
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Speaker 6: just so in sure, you do, was there with three
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Speaker 6: of my daughters, you know, Laurie's cousins who were We're
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Speaker 6: all close in our in our family, and so that's
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Speaker 6: when we knew we need to, you know, we need
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Speaker 6: to heal from this and get get through it the
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Speaker 6: best we.
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Speaker 1: Can, you know, Night joining me the news director of
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Speaker 1: the East Idaho News dot Com the day that Rex
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Speaker 1: Connor is saying he was in court after he had
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Speaker 1: studiously avoided the disturbing details of how JJ basically her
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Speaker 1: medically sealed, still wearing his little pj's he was wearing
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Speaker 1: when he was carted out of Coltmom's apartment by her
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Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox that night, and the way that tyle
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Speaker 1: it was basically rendered, rendered like an animal at a
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Speaker 1: slaughter house. He tried to avoid all that, and in
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Speaker 1: the day he does go to court. That's what they're
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Speaker 1: talking about, Nate Ayton. Isn't it true that Coltman Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo asked not to be in court that day. She
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Speaker 1: didn't want to face the reality of what happened to
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Speaker 1: JJ and tilely right.
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Speaker 3: The judge had warned the gallery, those of us in there,
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Speaker 3: that there was going to be some tough photos to watch.
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Speaker 3: He had warned the jurors about that, and her attorneys
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Speaker 3: made emotion asking if she could be dismissed for the
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Speaker 3: day because it was going to be too hard for
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Speaker 3: her to look at those images, and the judge denied
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Speaker 3: that request. Laurie stared at the floor the entire time,
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Speaker 3: and it was a long time. Nancy was all afternoon
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Speaker 3: and then several days after as well, not looking at
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Speaker 3: those images, and the judge went he sentenced her. He
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Speaker 3: referenced that, he said, you have not shown one iota
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Speaker 3: of any remorse at all in any of this. You
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Speaker 3: asked to be excused. You wanted the jurors to see
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Speaker 3: those photos, but you didn't want to see them, and
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Speaker 3: he did bring that up in his sentencing, basically rebuked
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Speaker 3: her for not having any sort of remorse at all
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Speaker 3: during any of this. He said that she fell down
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Speaker 3: a rabbit hole of religion and she seems to still
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Speaker 3: be stuck there. That's one of the quotes that the
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Speaker 3: judge told her.
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Speaker 1: The crime scene photos very very disturbing. Nate, could you
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Speaker 1: describe what you saw in court? What caught my Lorie
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Speaker 1: Valo refused to look.
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Speaker 3: At Well, it will be something I'll never forget. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: you can't get those images out of your mind. What
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Speaker 3: was left of Tyly was pieces of bone, a piece
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Speaker 3: of a skull, of a green bucket full of her flesh,
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Speaker 3: whatever the police were able to find as they sifted
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Speaker 3: through dirt. Then they put it together to see what
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Speaker 3: was left of this beautiful girl. And then jj was,
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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, wrapped in plastic and duct tape, and
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Speaker 3: then when they removed the plastic around his body, he
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Speaker 3: was duct taped around his mouth, around his head, around
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Speaker 3: his wrists, around his ankles, and you know, his face
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Speaker 3: was decomposed, and it was just horrific, It just awful.
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Speaker 3: I remember looking at the jurors and there was a
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Speaker 3: woman probably thirty five, who I later learned had children
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Speaker 3: of her own. She was in tears. She couldn't even
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Speaker 3: look at the screens in front of her to see
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Speaker 3: these pictures. So it's photos you don't want to ever
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Speaker 3: see again. And then we saw the autopsy photo of
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Speaker 3: Tammy Davell and for Laurie to say that Tammy is
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Speaker 3: her good friend, the woman she was having an affair
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Speaker 3: with her husband, her good friend, and to have that
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Speaker 3: autopsy photo shown for the world. Tammy was a brand
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Speaker 3: new grandma. She was a woman full of life. It's
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Speaker 3: just such a a big difference in reality.
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Speaker 1: You know, to doctor angel Arnold sychiatris joining us renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at ANGELA Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com. You know, I'm thinking about Chad Daybel which
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Speaker 1: I haven't even touched on him. He's next and the
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Speaker 1: death penalty is still on the table for him. But
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about when Nate Eaton talked about
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Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell and hey, Rex Connor and Adam Cox,
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Speaker 1: please jump in same thing with you, Robin Drake, doctor Gallagher, Angela.
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Speaker 1: So the prophet was it husband Nate? Is he husband four?
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Speaker 1: Or five? Fine? Okay? Husband number five? The prophet? And
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Speaker 1: I said that with air quotes. He sent his wife,
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Speaker 1: Tammy Dave Bell, on a very long, like a five
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Speaker 1: to six hour drive to go visit relatives. He told
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Speaker 1: Tammy that he had had a premonition that she needed
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Speaker 1: to see her family, and then he told somebody else
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Speaker 1: who had a premonition that she would die in a
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Speaker 1: car crash. I think he was hoping she would die
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Speaker 1: in a car crash and he wouldn't have to kill her.
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Speaker 1: But then, of course she turns up in the bed
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Speaker 1: after having slept with him all night, dead by asphyxiation.
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Speaker 1: He refuses to have an autopsy done. She was later
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Speaker 1: exhumed and the cod cause of death turns out to
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Speaker 1: be asphyxiation. I mean, what a coward, what a yellow
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Speaker 1: belling coward to kill a lady in her sleep after
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Speaker 1: your plan for her to have a car crash all
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Speaker 1: on her own didn't work.
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Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, I believe that what we're going to
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Speaker 7: see is now Laurie, Laurie dabll is one character, Okay,
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Speaker 7: She's got one set of issues going on with her,
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Speaker 7: and now we're going to have to investigate Chad Dave Bell.
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Speaker 7: He is a different creature.
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Speaker 1: He is a POC that technical legal term, you.
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Speaker 7: Know, Nancy. All of this that Laurie did during the
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Speaker 7: trial and everything, her arrogance, her vanity. She actually she's
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Speaker 7: very She suffers from a lot of grandiosity. She literally
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Speaker 7: thinks she's above the law. She thinks she's better than
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Speaker 7: all of us. She thinks that everything, especially her connection
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Speaker 7: with God, her connection that she's always got going on
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Speaker 7: with God. Nancy, she is the severest of narcissist. Okay.
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Speaker 7: She is not mentally ill. She has got a personality disorder.
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Speaker 7: She is the severest of a narcissist.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 7: Chad Dabel I am not saying that he is mentally ill,
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Speaker 7: but that man is evil.
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Speaker 1: He's an a whole. He is an a hole, I
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Speaker 1: mean a horse's ass light no other he has had
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Speaker 1: a Nate Ayton, why am I not hearing your voice?
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Speaker 1: This guy? I mean his pickup line is, hey, hey, baby,
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Speaker 1: I and I were married in a previous life, so
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Speaker 1: let's get it on. I mean, this is hit Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bill is.
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Speaker 3: Do you remember the text he sent Laurie Nancy where
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Speaker 3: he said.
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Speaker 1: To sad, well, yes, I do.
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Speaker 3: He finally figured out who he was. He felt like
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Speaker 3: Harry Potter, trapped under the stairs of his aunt and uncle,
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Speaker 3: and when he was able to get out and see Laurie,
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Speaker 3: he felt free, and then he had to return back
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Speaker 3: to being trapped underneath the stairwell. He's telling Laurie this
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Speaker 3: as his wife is alive, Tammy, as they're planning how
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Speaker 3: she will leave this earth, saying, you know, saying these things.
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Speaker 3: And then the romance novel that he texted her, So
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Speaker 3: it will be interesting to see what happens with Chad.
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Speaker 1: You call that a romance novel. All it is is
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Speaker 1: about them having sex.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he called it that. And remember with him, death penalty,
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Speaker 3: death penalties on the table for him. It was not
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Speaker 3: for Laurie, but for him.
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Speaker 1: It is Okay, you know what, Nate Ayton, I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear this. Guys, listen our cup four six
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Speaker 1: to two. This is called Mom. Laurie Valo. Wait for it.
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Speaker 1: Get ready. If you're sitting down, you may need to
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Speaker 1: lay down. Listen.
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Speaker 2: The first time JJ visited me after he passed away,
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Speaker 2: he put his arm around me and he said to me,
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Speaker 2: he didn't do anything wrong. Mom, I love you, and
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Speaker 2: I know you loved me every minute of my life.
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Speaker 1: She didn't finish that sentence until you murdered me and
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Speaker 1: my sister. Okay, Robin Drink is with us. Behavioral expert,
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Speaker 1: former FBI Special Agent, chief of FBI Counter Intelligent Behavioral
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Speaker 1: Analysis Program and author of Sizing People Up, a veteran
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Speaker 1: FBI agent's manual for behavior prediction. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at people Formula. Okay, Robin Drake, you must have been
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Speaker 1: chomping at the bit. You're the behavioral analysis expert. Jump in.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, she is, just as there was saying, this is
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Speaker 8: the biggest piece of work I've ever seen in my life.
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Speaker 8: It's going to be really fascinating, and that is in
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Speaker 8: order for us to heal, We've got to let go
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Speaker 8: of her. There's no justification for her actions. There's nothing
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Speaker 8: We're going to ever hear from her. That's going to
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Speaker 8: make people feel better because like we've seen, there's no remorse.
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Speaker 8: There will never be remorse. I'm very curious as the
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Speaker 8: impact she's going to have in her life behind bars
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Speaker 8: as well. Boy, she's leaving a web. She totally believes
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Speaker 8: everything she's doing, and I'm really curious. We haven't talked
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Speaker 8: about it yet. I'm curious about her impact on her lawyer.
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Speaker 8: The lawyer's statement that he made was either it was
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Speaker 8: either her statement or he believes it. And it's really
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Speaker 8: she is just a path of destruction and for the
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Speaker 8: healing that the family is looking for and thanks them
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Speaker 8: for being on is we just got to let go
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Speaker 8: of this. One's just too nuts and too crazy. We
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Speaker 8: going to surround ourselves with a good, healthy relationships move
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Speaker 8: away from this because no good will.
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Speaker 6: Come of her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, nay Aidan. What about the lawyer's comment
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Speaker 1: her defense lawyer, that was.
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Speaker 3: An interesting statement. He talked about how he hopes people
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Speaker 3: will get the message of love and hope and healing
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Speaker 3: and peace following this sentence, that we can all move
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Speaker 3: forward and that Laurie is really about love. I've been
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Speaker 3: in other courtrooms with this defense attorney, I've never heard
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Speaker 3: an argument like this from him. I do believe that
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Speaker 3: Laurie heavily influenced what he had to say. You know,
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Speaker 3: there was discussion that they were going to use a
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Speaker 3: mental illness defense, that that was going to come up
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Speaker 3: in the sentencing. It never did through all of the trial,
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Speaker 3: and Laurie Davo was very actively involved in the defense team. So,
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Speaker 3: as the previous guests mentioned, I've believe that she had
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Speaker 3: heavy influence on that closing argument, that closing statement.
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Speaker 1: Well, maybe one of the reasons they did not bring
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Speaker 1: up mental defect is because a that jurisdiction doesn't have
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Speaker 1: the insanity defense, and be she Laurie Valo would not
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Speaker 1: submit to an analysis, a personality, psychological or psychiatric analysis
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Speaker 1: as part of her PSI Preceiden's investigation. She would not cooperate,
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Speaker 1: so you couldn't put any evidence forward that she has
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Speaker 1: any type of mental defect, and being a killer and
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Speaker 1: pure out evil is not a mental defect. Adam Cox
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Speaker 1: is joining me. This is Laurie Valo is a brother
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Speaker 1: along with Rex Connor, her uncle, their host of Tyley
26:45
Speaker 1: and JJ's Silver Linings podcast and author of Laurie's lies
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Speaker 1: and family ties, healing from the Tiling and JJ tragedy.
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Speaker 1: Adam Cox, you said that she had only began began
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Speaker 1: acting this particular way recently, and I assume you Maine,
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Speaker 1: since she began her romance as it would be called
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Speaker 1: my son with Chad Dabail.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think any of us.
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Speaker 5: I've never met Chad Daboa, never talked to him, don't
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Speaker 5: know anything about him. Nobody in our family knew anything
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Speaker 5: about Laurie being with Chad. But even before she met Chad,
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Speaker 5: Laurie started going down a rabbit hole of reading books
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Speaker 5: about near death experiences. And then she started, you know,
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Speaker 5: I think in her mind she wanted to be special.
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Speaker 5: She wanted to feel special like some of these people
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Speaker 5: that wrote books about their near death experiences. So when
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Speaker 5: she said that in court about a near death experience
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Speaker 5: when she was having Kyleie, I've never heard her say
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Speaker 5: that before. It was out of left field, which led
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Speaker 5: me to believe that these near death experiences, reading these
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Speaker 5: books went her down a rabbit hole of she wanted
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Speaker 5: to be special spiritually, and then her jumping on the
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Speaker 5: Julie Road bandwagon and listening to her podcast and saying, oh,
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Speaker 5: Julie Row were Kendall's sisters, and we knew each other
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Speaker 5: in the spare world, and I'm going to defend her
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Speaker 5: and I'm going to be Julie Roe's friend. And then
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Speaker 5: I think that's how she met Chad. So and you know,
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Speaker 5: with all those things, all those people want to predict
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Speaker 5: the end of the world, they want to, you know,
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Speaker 5: be special, they want to have these spiritual experiences. So
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Speaker 5: I feel like Laurie was already headed under the direction,
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Speaker 5: but once she met Chad and Chad's you know, in
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Speaker 5: his computers, you know there's light spirits, your number four
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Speaker 5: dark spirit He said that Charles was a guy named
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Speaker 5: Ned and he was living in Charles's body in Charles
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Speaker 5: was already dead. Like Lauri and Alex believed everything Chad said.
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Speaker 5: So I don't know how you could believe. I don't
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Speaker 5: know how anybody in the right mind could could believe anything.
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Speaker 5: That's that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: Adam Cox lri Vellows brother, let me ask you a
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Speaker 1: few quick yes, no questions. Isn't it true that when
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Speaker 1: Lorii Vallo was asked where are your children, she lied
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Speaker 1: and said they were visiting a relative isn't that true?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay? And isn't it true that at that time they
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Speaker 1: were already dead? The children were dead? Isn't that true?
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Speaker 6: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that when police came to her home
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Speaker 1: I believe it was in Rexburg, came to her home
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Speaker 1: and asked her where are the children? The very next
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Speaker 1: day they went back and she had cleared out, moving
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Speaker 1: all of her possession, possessions and ski daddling fleeing the jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 6: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Another quick question, isn't it true, Adam Cox, that
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Speaker 1: before Timmy Dave Bell was murdered in her sleep that
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Speaker 1: called my Laurie Valo went onto Amazon and researched beach
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Speaker 1: b e a h wedding dress. Isn't that true?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 1: And then, miraculously quite the coincidence, just weeks later, Tammy
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Speaker 1: Day Bell was dead and Lori Vallo had a beach
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Speaker 1: wedding wearing the dress she ordered on Amazon before Tammy
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Speaker 1: Day Bell was killed. That was convenient because Colt Mom
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Speaker 1: married Tammy Day Bell's husband, Chad day Bell. Isn't that true? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't all that suggests to you that she could plan
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Speaker 1: very cold heartedly, very calculated. What was happening, her obsivacation,
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Speaker 1: her cover up, her lies, she planned it. It's very clear,
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Speaker 1: is it not.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that said doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist. I would
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Speaker 1: submit and strongly arguelt Mom, Laurie Vallo. She's not crazy,
30:52
Speaker 1: she's crazy like a fox.
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Speaker 7: Yes she is. Now she's a narcissist, Nancy, you can
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Speaker 7: have a personality disorder and not be considered crazy.
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Speaker 1: Well, all that narcissist means is it's named after Narcissus,
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Speaker 1: the Greek mythological figure that fell in love with its
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Speaker 1: own reflection, and I believe fell into the water and
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Speaker 1: died staring at himself. So that's not crazy. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Guys. Doctor Tim Gallagher is with US
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner for the State of Florida. You can find
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Speaker 1: him at pathcaremed dot com, Lecturer University of Florida Medical
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Speaker 1: School and Forensic Medicine, and the founder and creator of
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Speaker 1: the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. I would be
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Speaker 1: in complete heaven there, doctor Gallagher. All of this talk
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Speaker 1: about narcissism and her crazy, wacko religious beliefs that's a
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Speaker 1: cover for murder. These children were buried in Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell's pet cemetery. Tiley was horribly rendered, cut up, burned up.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing left of her but a few bones, bone
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Speaker 1: remains in a bucket of flesh. How difficult is it?
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Speaker 1: Dr Gallagher to dismember someone and render them This teen
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Speaker 1: girl like she's an animal at a slaughterhouse and called mom.
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Speaker 1: Lorie Valla stood by knowing that was happening.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's extremely difficult to dismember somebody, Nancy. If you
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Speaker 9: think about the average person, each leg must weigh thirty
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Speaker 9: forty pounds to torso maybe seventy five pounds, you know,
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Speaker 9: So it's very physical, the very physical demand to actually
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Speaker 9: dismember somebody, Now, to burn somebody, and to get them
33:08
Speaker 9: down to a point where they're unrecognizable, you know, takes
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Speaker 9: an extremely long time. We're talking eight, ten, twelve hours
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Speaker 9: burning at a very high temperature, a temperature higher than
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Speaker 9: most wood can attain. Most most of the crematoriums use
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Speaker 9: a buttane or gas type of fire because regular wood
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Speaker 9: or coal cannot even get that high. So it would
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Speaker 9: take a large degree of preparation, a large degree of
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Speaker 9: material and a larger view of strength to dismember somebody
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Speaker 9: and to burn them into an unrecognizable state. I don't
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Speaker 9: think that one person can do that on their own.
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Speaker 1: Rice Connor joining me, Lori Valow's uncle, host of Tyley
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Speaker 1: and JJ's Silver Linings podcast along with Adam Cox. When
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Speaker 1: you think that Lorie Valo sat by while that was
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Speaker 1: happening to Tylie, the dismemberment, the burning of her human flesh,
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Speaker 1: so there's nothing left but singed fat. That's the truth.
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Speaker 1: Do I like saying it? No? It tastes like poison
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Speaker 1: in my mouth, like dirt, But that's the truth. And
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Speaker 1: when those two were on the phone, when Dave Bell
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Speaker 1: and she talked on the phone during the police search,
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Speaker 1: that she was so calm. She's like, he says, cops
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Speaker 1: are here searching place. And she doesn't say, why are
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Speaker 1: the cops at your place? What's going on? She says,
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Speaker 1: have they found anything? Like she knows something's there to find.
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Speaker 1: She stood by, according to this jury, and let this
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Speaker 1: happen to Tylie.
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Speaker 6: Yes, and thank you for that graphic detail. But she
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Speaker 6: of all the titles have been bantied about, and I
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Speaker 6: respect everyone's professional perspective and putting the right title on
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Speaker 6: her condition. The title that sits best for me that
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Speaker 6: I stick with is she's evil. This was an act
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Speaker 6: of evil, regardless of the whatever psychology was involved, whatever
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Speaker 6: her background is, whatever influenced that. It's old fashioned evil.
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Speaker 6: And I don't know a better way to describe it.
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Speaker 1: You know, Rex, I'm so glad you said that because
35:29
Speaker 1: in my line of business, you know, journalists as they
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Speaker 1: call themselves, they don't like to talk about evil. They
35:38
Speaker 1: like to talk about forensics and psychology and psychiatry, completely
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Speaker 1: ignoring the fact that there is evil in this world.
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Speaker 1: To Nate Eaton news director Eastidehoews dot com, I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about Chad Dabel for one minute. The death
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Speaker 1: penalty is still on the table for him. Now some
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Speaker 1: juries may have a problem. I'm giving him the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: When she called Mamaury Value did not get the death
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Speaker 1: penalty since they essentially did the same thing. But in
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Speaker 1: my mind, here is the difference. You heard Adam Cox's state,
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Speaker 1: and I believe correctly that cult Mam Laura Valle had
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Speaker 1: a personality change, and this occurred according to me, after
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Speaker 1: she got in with Chad Dave bel a so called prophet.
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Speaker 1: He was like a sphingali over her. That does not
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Speaker 1: absolve her of guilt, But I'd also like to point
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Speaker 1: out that the change in her demeanor coupled with the
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Speaker 1: fact that I don't believe she had the meddle wherewithal
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Speaker 1: to orchestrate this whole thing. He is the master manipulator.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about that? And when is his trial?
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Speaker 1: Will she be a witness? And what about her other
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Speaker 1: charges in Arizona?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this case is far from over. Chad
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Speaker 3: goes before a jury in April twenty twenty four. The
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Speaker 3: one difference between his and Laurie's trial is he's facing
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Speaker 3: a first degree murder charge for Tammy. Laurie was only
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Speaker 3: facing the conspiracy for that murder, so prosecutors obviously feel
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Speaker 3: they have more on Chad's involvement with his wife.
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Speaker 1: Nate eight n s a charge and the alternative with
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Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder of Tammy Dabo.
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Speaker 3: He is he's charged with bull so there is an
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Speaker 3: additional charge, so there will be more evidence that comes
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Speaker 3: in his case. As for Lourie, she's facing two charges
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Speaker 3: still in Arizona. Maricopa County has said they plan to
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Speaker 3: extradite her as soon as they can. That's for conspiracy
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Speaker 3: to commit murder on her fourth husband, Charles, and conspiracy
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Speaker 3: to commit murder on her former nephew, Brandon, who was
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Speaker 3: shot at on his way home from the gym. Fortunately
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Speaker 3: he survives, so her legal troubles are far from over.
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Speaker 3: As for whether a jury would give him death over her,
37:53
Speaker 3: I think it would all depend on what type of
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Speaker 3: evidence they present. I mean, if they're going to show
37:57
Speaker 3: those autopsy photos again of those children, they're going to
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Speaker 3: talk more about Tammy's death, and it could go either
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Speaker 3: way unless he decides to suddenly change his plea now
38:06
Speaker 3: that he sees that his wife is going away for life.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the key to that prosecution is going
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Speaker 1: to be Tammy Dave Bell's death. He was asleep with her,
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Speaker 1: she dies in the night through asphyxiation, and he refuses
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Speaker 1: an autopsy. Then a few weeks later he marries called
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Speaker 1: man Lauri Valo. They had already picked out his outfit
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Speaker 1: and her outfit, the bride and the groom before Tammy died,
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Speaker 1: so they're going to be arguing. Not only do the
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Speaker 1: children end up dead in his pet cemetery, but he
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Speaker 1: killed Tammy Daybell and that may be the key right
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Speaker 1: there to his death penalty sentence. The other charges that
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Speaker 1: calt Mat Laurie Valo is facing regarding Charles Valow who
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Speaker 1: was shot dead by Alex coxwell, she's standing right there
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Speaker 1: egging him on. And the conspiracy to murder the ex
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Speaker 1: husband of her niece. His name is Brandon Budreau or
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Speaker 1: either of those fly out murder charges, Well, it would
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Speaker 1: only relate to value or is it? Are they both
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Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder? And if they are conspiracy to
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Speaker 1: commit murders? Can she get the death penalty on conspiracy?
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Speaker 3: As of now they're both conspiracy. Now they could additional charges.
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Speaker 3: The cases are sealed, but that's how prosecutors have announced.
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Speaker 3: And no, they would need to have first degree with
39:23
Speaker 3: aggravating factors to give the death penalty. But the case,
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Speaker 3: from what we're told, it's far from over in Arizona,
39:29
Speaker 3: So those additional charges could come and we'll see if Lorie.
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Speaker 1: Fights lightning around. Isn't it true, Nate Ayton that she
39:37
Speaker 1: called mom. Laurie Valo lured Charles Valo to that location
39:43
Speaker 1: and Charles Valo was gunned down dead in front of
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Speaker 1: the children.
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Speaker 3: He was picking up JJ yeah, to the house and
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Speaker 3: he was shot to death. And that's when Laurie then
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Speaker 3: took JJ to school and stopped at Burger King.
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, we wait as justice unfolds for not only
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Speaker 1: cult mom Lorie Valo, but husband number five is they
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Speaker 1: call Prophet Chad Dabell as well. May justice be served,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye to