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To Train Up a Child: The Tragic Story of Hana Alemu · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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The tactics espoused in fundamentalist Christian child-waring books such as,
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"To train up a child, written by Michael and Debbie Pearl, are plastered all over the
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Internet if you care to look."
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However, if you find violence against children, even those too young to walk,
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upsetting, you do well to maybe steer clear.
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They are very detailed instructions for every stage of development,
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and very specific about the types and level of corporal punishment that should be issued to children.
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Damn, dude.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Oh, hello.
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If you're not watching us, we are on location.
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You almost said in location.
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In location.
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On the location.
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Bear is seeing.
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We are in a secret location in the PNW.
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If you can't tell by the trees.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Oh, by the way, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides.
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Where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, I don't know, occasionally some other stuff as well.
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In the Pacific Northwest.
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Also that.
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Or the PNW if you're nasty.
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If you're nasty.
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If you're nasty.
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Are you nasty?
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If you're nothing, get out of here.
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Yeah.
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Bye.
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You probably don't want to stay just ahead.
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Yeah, you should go.
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Spoiler alert.
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It's going to get real weird for you.
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What else do we do?
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We do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic.
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I forget to say if you're nasty, you forget to tell the tarot thing.
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It's a yes.
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What we do here.
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Yeah.
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It's a little ebb and flow.
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Give and take.
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Oh, man.
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Okay.
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Are you ready for this?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, one.
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I would recommend keeping it close.
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I'm prepared.
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Maybe I need a little puppy dog to snuggle me.
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Oh, she's off doing her own thing.
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This is um,
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this is a new one.
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It's good.
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Semiseko.
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Whatever that means.
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Semiseko.
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I'm more than semi approved.
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Easy loaded.
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We have fun here.
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It's a late reaction by me.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's all the fun we're about to have.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Yeah.
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No, from here on out, it's going to be pretty bleak.
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So,
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I can't think of any business that we have that could possibly delay this.
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So, I guess we just get into it.
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Yeah, let's do it.
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Everything.
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I'm ready.
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All right.
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We're just going to go ahead and we're
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keeping an eye on our InstaCart order though as well.
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Three out of four items.
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Shopped.
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That's right.
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We InstaCarted four items.
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Four items.
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Because you know what?
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This relates because we have been drinking.
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So, we refuse to drive.
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Responsible.
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We talked about this recently.
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I was just going to say.
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Don't do that.
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Even if it's four items.
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InstaCart.
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That bitch.
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Yeah.
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I don't think the item number is what is of concern.
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But, but moving on.
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Larry and Carrie Williams,
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a seemingly happily married
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Cedro Wolley couple,
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lived with their family in the community known as
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the gateway to the Cascades.
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Oh, that sounds nice.
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Yeah.
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Quoting the official Cedro Wolley website,
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the city is located on the western edge
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of the majestic Cascade mountain range
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in Northwest Washington.
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Oh, we've talked about like a haunted hospital
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there before or something.
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Something haunted.
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I knew there was something we had talked about.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I remember having to look up how to pronounce that.
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Well, but did you know this?
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Fun fact.
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When it was incorporated,
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it combined the names of two neighboring towns.
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Cedro and Wolley.
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I don't think I knew that.
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Learned something new every day.
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There's a different thread.
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You got to pull every time you research something.
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Yeah.
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I was midway through my research when I was like,
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is there anything that, I don't know, maybe anything that just
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isn't a complete and total bummer?
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Oh.
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But you can look up.
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Yeah, there it is.
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Yeah.
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You found it.
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Thank you.
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The city is north of Seattle, south of Bellingham,
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and a hell of a long way from Ethiopia.
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Yeah.
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That's the African nation from which the couple would eventually adopt
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two children in 2008, Emanual and Hana.
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In the mid to late 2000s, as the couple was bringing up their own family,
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there was a conservative Christian,
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read as a K.A. fundamentalist, homeschooling trend.
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Particularly amongst larger families.
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Many of those already large families also went on to adopt more children,
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frequently from abroad.
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The African continent proved popular amongst adoptees.
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Adoption, especially from abroad, was seen as an extension of the ministry, ostensibly.
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That's the icky part that I'm making faces at a little bit.
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A little bit.
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It makes me think that the Spanish Inquisition meets just run of the mill, colonialism.
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Like, why can't you just adopt to give someone a better life and be
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who their own person?
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Like, what do your own person have the best life you can add to your own person
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without me putting all my beliefs on you?
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What a novel idea.
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I hate that there were these weird tangential things that felt like
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sort of these like touchstone type things that I was like, "Oh,
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that feels like directly tied to me somehow."
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But I'm not trying to make this about me, but it was like all of these things that like have
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a significance in some like former fashion.
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And I was like, "Oh, you just shatter over it."
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Oh, man.
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Oh, no.
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So here's the first one.
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Okay.
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Above rubies, you know, just casually, my birthstones.
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I was like, "Wait, no, rubies my birthstone. That's cancer."
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Oh, it's July.
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Right, July.
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That's right.
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I get it.
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I always get it confused.
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Yeah.
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It goes by month.
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Yes.
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Yeah, we have the same birthstone.
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How cute.
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Are we so cute?
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We're both rubies.
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This is also about me, you guys.
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Yes.
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I mean, isn't it always?
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Above rubies was a fundamentalist women's ministry.
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Actually, still appears to be.
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They have a website that has been said to have inspired not just carry
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Williams, but many others to seek out adoptions, notably specifically in Africa,
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from the African continent.
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I don't like that either.
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Any kid that needs help from anywhere.
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Why does it specifically need to be from Africa?
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Are you African, is that why?
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Or, no.
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Well, no, but how would anyone know that I adopted this child if they weren't
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so clearly different from me?
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I've adopted this accessory child.
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Right.
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Well, they're starving children in Africa.
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Yeah.
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That's the only place.
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It's the Birken bag of adopted babies.
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Hi.
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The group is anecdotally linked to a surge in adoptions, specifically from Liberia.
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More than a few with seemingly less than ideal, and in some cases, even disastrous consequences.
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I'm thinking of the family that adopted and like the car.
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Yes.
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The Hart family.
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Yes, thank you.
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I was like, I know I know the name, but
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yeah, I know, but it almost seems like
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it's kind of cruel irony that
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heart is the last name.
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No.
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But yeah, your head just doesn't want to go there, I think.
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Getting back to the Williams' in 2008, they decided to adopt
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and begin looking into adoption agencies.
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Of course, they might have had some reticence about the first one that crossed their path,
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because it was
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secular.
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What does that mean?
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Non-religious.
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Oh, okay.
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I've heard them term, but I...
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Yeah, you're like, I guess I just live my whole life not actually knowing what that is.
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Yeah.
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I am secular.
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Sectacular.
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I'm kind of here for that.
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Roughly a decade has passed since the A.A.I.
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adoption advocate's international was shuttered.
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I'm not going to dive deep on the organization for now at least, but given the time for additional
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research, I wouldn't say it's out of the question for the future.
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Put it on the shelf for now.
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We're not going to put a pin in it.
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No, have you ever heard this?
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Put it on the shelf.
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Put it on the shelf.
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This is a religious shelf.
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Oh, no.
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Why is that a religious thing?
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My understanding, because this is not something that I actually have been directly told in my
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upbringing, but whenever you have something that sort of makes you question your faith,
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that makes you question the teachings, they say, put it on the shelf.
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Like to think about later or just to like not ever think about it again.
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You forget.
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Yep, that one is kind of the idea, I think.
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You put it on the shelf.
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Any reservations that you might have, so that you can continue to observe your faith.
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Faithfully.
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Yeah, just don't think about it.
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It's fine.
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Yeah, I wouldn't think too hard.
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In 2008, it was thanks to the A.A.I.
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that the Williams is were matched with a deaf Ethiopian child in need of an adoptive family
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unstable home.
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It's a lot to take on.
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Certainly not for the faint of heart, but for the Williams'es, their faith implored them to move
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ahead.
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Or maybe it was the fact that prior to their marriage and the birth of their seven children since,
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Kerry had actually studied American Sign Language with plans of becoming a Sign Language interpreter.
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Okay, well, that seems very helpful.
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It seems like that would be a good skill set for
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that particular adoption.
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Well, it's sounding better.
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Yeah.
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It seems that once the couple started their family, however, that dream fell by the wayside,
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that being the dream of becoming an interpreter.
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Oh, okay.
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I mean, you know, once you have seven children,
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kids are hard to do.
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And though the couple have been gifted blessings aplenty, their union had indeed been quite
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fruitful. Carry had wanted more children.
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Unfortunately, the couple would learn that complications related to her previous pregnancies
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had left her unable to have additional biological children.
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I mean, that sucks, but I mean, at a certain point, I think that is certainly a risk you run.
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She had children or she did.
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I think the couple had seven children at their own.
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Yes.
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Quite a few.
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And I mean, my heart goes out to anybody that wants to have children or wants to have more children
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and they can't, but my goodness, you know, what are you trying to get a TLC show?
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I mean, maybe.
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Yeah, maybe.
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But you know, when they say, when God closes a door, He opens a window.
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I've heard that before.
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No.
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AI tells me that this saying when God closes the door, He opens a window,
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is a popular comforting phrase often used to suggest that even when things seem to go wrong,
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new opportunities and possibilities will emerge.
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This is considered an adage rather than a proverb because a proverb typically gives and I quote,
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practical advice on how to live and behave.
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Yeah.
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That's the, you know, the biblical thing.
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They've got the whole section about it.
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Yeah, yeah, proverbs.
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What if God closes a window and opens like a basement door or something like that?
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Yeah, it just pulls like the, you know, old uno-reverse.
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Yeah.
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The light doesn't work.
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Yeah.
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What then?
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Good question.
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Whereas an adage expresses accepted wisdom, but does not always come in the form of advice.
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So it's basically just like a thing that we say.
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That means nothing.
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Well, I was just going to say another famous example of an adage.
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One might use this love is blind.
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Many of us agree that's, you know, commonly accepted wisdom to some degree.
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It's one example.
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Okay.
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Love, lie.
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Use love, lie.
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Anybody watch that?
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Anybody watch that?
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Yeah.
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But, you know, the difference being that a proverb, it's, you know,
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by virtue, it's a little more preachy because it's actually giving specific advice.
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Okay.
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Anyways, I thought I just, I went, that was the other rabbit hole.
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Okay.
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That's the light in this dark tunnel.
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Each of these turns of phrase are likely to elicit a wide range of thoughts and emotions
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in the context of adopting a child, particularly one that might have a disability.
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Perhaps even more so when adopting not just the one, but two, in fact.
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As nearly any prospective adoptive couple would,
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Carrie and Larry jumped through the litany of necessary hoops with the adoption agency.
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The now former director of social services for A.A.I.
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stated that prospective adoptees would be disqualified
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for admitting their parenting practices included spanking.
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Okay.
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That's interesting.
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Yeah.
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How long ago was this dating back to 2007, 2008, roughly?
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Okay.
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I feel like that's almost about the time we're spanking became like, oh, y'all don't do that.
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I don't really.
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Makes sense.
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Yeah.
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I'm not saying that that's wrong, but yeah.
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But I guess it's fair to say that both Carrie and Larry likely omitted their own beliefs and
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practices from any application forms and conversations they held related to their adoption.
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Of Emmanuel and Hannah.
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Oh, so you're saying they were spankers, but they did not admit to it.
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As previously alluded to, Carrie and Larry held and practiced
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fundamentalist Christian beliefs.
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Every couple household and family should have the freedom to decide what ideology guides their lives,
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but when it comes to actual practice.
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Unfortunately, we step into some problematic territory.
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For argument's sake, let's say that you've set aside the fact that the guiding principles of
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fundamentalist sex of Christianity reduce women to objects.
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Let's just say that doesn't bother you somehow.
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Or, you know, if your rose-colored glasses are handy, more generously, one might view them as vessels
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created for the sole purpose of subjugation and obedience to first and foremost, of course, God.
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Swifferly followed by their fathers and then, of course, eventually later, their husbands.
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Also, other male relatives all along the way.
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Pretty much any man before your own self is in charge of you.
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Correct.
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Yes.
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Got it.
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Got it.
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The tactics espoused in fundamentalist Christian child-waring books such as
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"To train up a child, written by Michael and Debbie Pearl are plastered all over the internet if you
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care to look."
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However, if you find violence against children, even those too young to walk,
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upsetting, you do well to maybe steer clear.
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Oh.
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This is like instructions, like abusive instructions?
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Yes.
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They are very detailed instructions for every stage of development.
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And very specific about the types and level of corporal punishment that should be issued
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to children.
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Damn, dude.
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In subreddits discussing the couple, the book, and their ministry,
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you don't need to go beyond the first page of comments to feel your heart literally break inside.
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The BBC released a piece entitled "Child Training Book Triggers Back Clash,"
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which is not only fair to say, but perhaps a frontrunner for the understatement of 2013,
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the year in which it was published.
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Well, I'm glad it caused some sort of backlash and everyone wasn't just like, "Yeah, sure.
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Let's... yeah, that sounds good."
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Yeah.
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I think, unfortunately, the backlash is already being felt, being seen,
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heard in groups that would never enact these types of behaviors.
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Right.
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Sort of an echo chamber situation, but people are still like taking this and using it.
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I don't know that I have come across a super recent case, but anybody who
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doesn't have a complete utter aversion to hearing about investigating in terms of
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true crime against children has come across this book.
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Everyone, anyone, all of them, it feels like it's part of the canon.
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The pearls-owned children appear to stand behind the lifelong work of their parents and are
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themselves involved in the ministry.
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The nonprofit No Greater Joy Ministries employed 18 people dating back to 2006.
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Truth be told, however, the organization was David compared to Goliath-level Christian media companies,
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such as Big Idea Entertainment, formerly known as Big Idea Productions,
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and also the Media Production Company responsible for Veggie Tales.
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Oh, interesting.
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And now we get to the part of my research where I began to feel targeted.
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One of many times that I began to feel targeted.
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Do you want Veggie Tales?
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Oh, yeah.
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And they mentioned Carmen, and yes, I have consumed quite a bit of the Carmen media as a child.
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I don't know what that is.
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Yeah.
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I was not a Veggie Taylor.
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Yeah.
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There's like a brief moment in time where I went to church,
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like we listened to Veggie Tales on the way there, but that was it, and I was not.
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Apparently there was a Veggie Tales show up until about 2022.
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Oh, yeah.
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Doesn't appear to be currently running.
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Which, listen, you know, religious programming in and of itself, not necessarily problematic.
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Right. Veggie Tales, I spend years, obviously.
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I don't think that most of their programming was particularly problematic, but I don't quote me on that.
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I'm not.
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I don't know.
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I literally know, Clue.
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There could have been so much like messaging in their hidden.
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Like that we just--
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It's based on the Bible.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Hopefully it was just wholesome, you know, for kids.
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I'm sure it was.
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Oh.
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Again, dating back to 2006, reportedly the pearls had sold or donated to churches,
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military families, and community groups, more than a million copies of their works in various formats.
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So we're talking about CDs, DVDs, books, all that.
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As well as other materials related to the Christian family.
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Their bi-monthly newsletter had 74,000 subscribers at the time.
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That's quite a few.
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Yeah.
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Just the year prior back in 2005, no greater joy ministries represented a mere fraction of the
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7.3--
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My brain broke.
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Billion.
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Billion.
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Did you say billion with a B?
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Billion.
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Billion.
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Religious, publishing, and products market.
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And that was 20 years ago.
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Oh.
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Now that they just will let any old evangelist into the White House directly, I can only imagine.
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Anywho.
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All of this is to say that when it comes to power dynamics within our society and the money that
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there is to be made, even when it comes at the expense of others, some forces seem nearly
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unstoppable once they gain a foothold.
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Typical, fundamentalist Christian beliefs had more than just a foothold in the Williams household
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by this time.
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It wasn't long after they had decided to adopt a manual that the couple would be shown a video
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that would change their own lives and countless others.
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In the video, it said that Hannah was tearful but appeared healthy and the couple
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were moved to seek her out for adoption as well.
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Both Immanuel and Hannah came to the Williams family via an A.A.I.
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affiliated orphanage in Ethiopia called Kadeen Merrett.
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Both children were reportedly abandoned likely due to their health issues.
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Oh, I mean, that's so hard.
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If you can't take care of the health issues, you know, what do you?
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Yeah.
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What do you do?
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Yeah, I'm not sure what that looks like in other nations.
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I know that obviously we have like the firehouse laws where you can literally leave a
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a baby at a fire station, at a hospital and, you know, no questions asked.
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And as long as you surrender the child safely, that is a-okay in the eyes of the law.
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I don't know what that looks like in a lot of other countries.
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Yeah.
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I would assume that a lot of other countries have some
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former fashion of a similar practice.
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But it is really hard to hear about children that are being abandoned because presumably
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health issues or I mean really just hard to hear about kids being abandoned.
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Yeah.
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I would assume I hope that it was in the hopes of someone else can take care of her.
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Providing-
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I don't- I just like don't want to deal with it, you know?
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Yeah.
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Although-
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I mean to be fair, if you don't want to deal with it, please for the love of God,
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give that child to somebody who will take care of it.
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There's- I just feel as though there are so few excuses for
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not doing the best that you can for a child.
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I don't even like kids, you guys.
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And especially in the end, if you're like adopting a kid who needs help, like you take-
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like you're-
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the-
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I like you don't even know what to say, it's so obvious, but like fucking take care of it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It does seem really obvious.
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Yeah.
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Both children were flown to the United States, a company by an escort,
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though neither had ever met their adoptive parents.
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That's so hard.
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This practice is no longer allowed by the Ethiopian government.
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It seems like common sense that an adoption should not be allowed to move forward and finalize
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without the respective parties having met, but you know, I guess Hindsitis 2020.
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Listen, if kids have no other place to go-
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like if you are trying to place children in loving homes, I can understand how sometimes you are
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maybe not always operating in ideal circumstances, but my God.
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Can we just make sure they're going someplace better than, you know, wherever they were surrendered?
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It's like you're ordering a kid off Amazon or something, like just shows a beard or one day.
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Well, no home inspection, no.
26:07
An A.A.I. social worker did visit.
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Oh, okay.
26:11
So they do that to follow up with the children and the family as they adjusted to the new home
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and, you know, to integrating into the family.
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I think goodness for that.
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Yeah.
26:23
So they did do that, which feels like sort of the bare minimum.
26:27
You know, when you just basically expect someone to show up on a doorstep that they've never
26:34
darkened before and oh boy.
26:37
This was in the first six months following their placement with the Williams'es and included
26:43
some review of their medical records at the time.
26:46
While Hannah had been underweight at only 77 pounds upon her arrival, for contacts, she's about 13
26:54
years old. So very, very little.
26:56
Within those first six months, she had grown to 105 pounds, which I feel like is a very,
27:03
you know, healthy weight for her, you know, a young teenage girl.
27:08
I'm not totally clear on what her height was just going strictly from memory, but even if she
27:15
was really short like me, 105 pounds would be, that's a good, healthy weight, I think at that age.
27:20
She was also reading from a little house on the Prairie Book Series.
27:26
Which I feel like that's considered a literature staple.
27:33
Right.
27:33
My many in the age group.
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I mean, hot tape?
27:37
I mean, I didn't even know it was books.
27:40
Oh.
27:41
I mean, I knew of the show.
27:43
I mean, I know pretty much if I thought about it, I would figure, okay, it's probably a book.
27:48
Cause like everything is a book.
27:49
Everything's a book.
27:50
But yeah, I just, I heard of the show.
27:52
So I never really thought about the books.
27:56
Yeah.
27:56
I feel like, I mean, it started out as books and so like kind of dependent, I mean, it's just like
28:03
anything else.
28:04
Whatever you were exposed to first is kind of the thing that wins out in general, but that's so
28:10
funny. I'm like, I didn't know for a long time that there was a show.
28:14
I'd read the books and I was like, oh, they made a show out of it.
28:18
Cause my mom had the book.
28:20
Oh.
28:21
Oh, okay.
28:22
Emanuel for his part was learning to sign in order to communicate with members of his new family.
28:30
There were kind people in relative proximity to the family and the local community that made
28:36
efforts to extend themselves, but found doing so wasn't meant with the warm regard they'd expected.
28:43
A fellow parishioner that also happened to be deaf had tried to converse with Emanuel,
28:48
but either Larry or Carrie would escort the boy from basically any situation where
28:54
he might have been able to have a private conversation with anyone outside of their home.
28:59
Oh, that's not, that's a red flag.
29:04
It's funny you should say that my next sentence. This is an early red flag.
29:07
You know, kind of a canary in the coal mine type of a, like the biggest,
29:13
like, ah, this kid's in trouble.
29:17
Yeah.
29:17
Yeah.
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Why can't the kid have a private conversation?
29:22
Why not?
29:22
Yeah.
29:23
It's weird.
29:25
Why not?
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Weird.
29:28
One day simultaneously in the not too distant future and somehow also not quite soon enough,
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however, his voice would be heard.
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Quart.
29:38
Oh.
29:39
After June 2009, there would be no further doctor's visits nor the oversight of the adoption
29:48
agency completing additional follow-up visits, at least none that were documented.
29:57
By this point, it seems the Williams'es would have been expected to assume responsibility for
30:02
providing updates per the standard adoption agreement with the AAI.
30:07
But the Williams'es never did.
30:10
And while there certainly are some laws enacted to
30:15
related to adoption, providing such updates to the agency was not compulsory.
30:22
At least as far as the law was concerned.
30:26
So legally, they have no obligation to provide any verification, any updates, no follow-up,
30:33
nothing once the children are officially, you know, permanently placed in their care.
30:39
Which makes sense in a way, in a way.
30:44
But you would think there are people that are invested in these children that have been placed
30:52
in your home. You would think you would care enough about letting them know like they did the right
30:58
thing. They found this child a good home. And they're just like, "Nah, I don't feel like it."
31:04
As stated by a former AAI employee, even if the updates do continue, there's no guarantee
31:12
of accuracy as adoptive parents would be self-reporting by that stage.
31:17
Right. Like, what does even the point?
31:19
Yeah. What are they going to say? Like, "Ah, we're doing so terrible at this parenting thing."
31:24
Well, yeah. I mean, exactly. I feel like the vast majority of people are, you know,
31:29
a self-assessment is, yeah, you're only going to get so much honesty, so much transparency.
31:36
Honor systems. Yeah.
31:39
According to court testimony, though none of the Williams' biological children slept in a closet
31:45
or took their meals outside in the cold. Hannah frequently did.
31:49
None of the bio children were served their meals cold, but both in manual and Hannah were on many
31:58
occasions. The adopted children were also physically disciplined far more than them, disciplined.
32:07
In some cases, to the point of visible marks being left behind,
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by, and let's be clear here, what should accurately be characterized as abuse,
32:18
disciplined with really heavy, bunny ears, yeah, into train a child. They talk about selecting the size,
32:27
with length, and type of objects that, you know, you can use to physically discipline your children.
32:38
They talk about, and this is quite literal, babies, so that, you know, you can get more chores done.
32:47
You put them on a blanket, and whenever they try to crawl off the blanket, you hit them with,
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you know, you just hit them with the prescribed size and type of device.
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And that way they learn that they're not supposed to leave the blanket.
33:09
It's not the point of raising a kid, so it leaves the blanket.
33:15
Right, but that makes it really inconvenient when you're trying to do chores about your household.
33:19
You want to just be able to set your baby on a blanket and know that it's not going to go anywhere.
33:23
Because that's on the child. Yeah, no.
33:27
I'm littered. We're talking about children that cannot walk.
33:33
Because they're talking about babies crawling on a blanket that they're physically,
33:37
the physical is literal, but disciplining. They're literally talking about hitting infants.
33:45
That's ridiculous. What doesn't leave the blanket?
33:48
Then it's never going to leave your house. What is now it's too scared to leave a blanket?
33:53
I don't know. I think it might run away screaming the first chance that they get.
33:59
Just to provide some context to that, I didn't want to read an entire chapter.
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Things.
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Not really my idea of worthwhile or award-winning literature, if you know what I mean.
34:20
But it's the context that you need.
34:23
Testimony continued to include details about the events of a particular date.
34:29
Beyond just the broad strokes testimony about the overall home life.
34:34
Said of that date, May 12, 2011, testimony provided was that Hannah was being kept outside.
34:44
No desperately about the cold could move. Carry Williams.
34:49
Quote, while Hana was getting cold,
34:53
so mom told her to do jumping jacks, but she wouldn't do jumping jacks. This was later corroborated by
35:02
the testimony of another child from within the home. She almost exclusively at a certain point
35:09
started living out of doors. What the... like... in Northwest Washington. People live indoors.
35:20
I don't even like people who leave their dog outside. Yep. Two of the older brothers on this date in
35:28
particular and it sounds like possibly on other occasions, but on this day in particular,
35:37
were also said to have exited the home. Hit Hana with a switch when she appeared to have given up
35:45
on exercising for warmth. You may have guessed at this point that the court didn't become involved
35:53
along with media just due to abuse in the Williams family home, which would be horrific
36:00
in and of itself. And certainly worthy of creating concern and bringing that to light.
36:09
Sadly, it was that day in May of 2011 that Hana passed away, face down, in the mud outside of
36:16
family's rural home. The coroner testified that Hana's legs showed she could have recently been
36:22
struck at least 14 times. With an implement like the plastic tubing, the Williams family was known
36:28
to have used to discipline their children. It's very popular amongst the... to train a child,
36:34
group, demographic, whatever you want to call them. I got a lot of things I want to call them.
36:39
When Hana's body arrived at the corner in 2011, she was reportedly down to between 76 and 80 pounds.
36:50
So right back to her pre-adoption weight. And she was older. She lost approximately 30 pounds. Holy
36:58
shit. At the time of her death, she was lighter than 97% of girls in her age group.
37:06
Photos taken at the time of her autopsy are said to all too adequately illustrate the devastation
37:13
her body endured. Essentially, she was emaciated. And her ultimate cause of death was said to be
37:20
hypothermia. Yeah, what the fuck did they expect? Like, how do you expect someone to live and
37:27
survive outside on no food? Very little food, often cold food, being physically, these children
37:39
were being beaten. Until like doing jumping jacks for warmth. But how do you have the energy to do
37:45
jumping jacks even? Not that that's a good way to warm up a child who's outside being abused. But
37:51
how do you expect them to do jumping jacks if they're not even fed? I don't think she
37:57
and I say she, I do view in this case someone who was the full-time caregiver as, you know,
38:06
essentially a stay-at-home mom. That person I view as being maybe disproportionately responsible
38:14
compared to the father figure in the home. But one thing that I came across in research and I heard
38:24
in red was that there were those that had said, "Carry told members of like prayer groups and other
38:33
like women's groups that she was a part of associated with the church that, you know, she wouldn't
38:39
wish this child on anyone." And I think they did not realize she looked very small. Also, I will
38:54
show you some pictures that are available of Hana and she appeared much younger because of,
39:03
I mean, she was just such, I mean, just diminutive compared to other children her age here in the
39:10
States. I have to imagine. But when she arrived and it was clear that she was, you know, she's a teenager
39:19
because she started to exhibit parts of puberty, like having a period.
39:26
Carry didn't like that. But she was like that. I basically, I didn't adopt a child. I adopted,
39:36
I adopted a woman. Now I just have this like inconvenience. Wow. Because kids don't grow up eventually, too.
39:46
Yeah. Into women. And also it's still a fucking child. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm here.
39:52
No, I mean, every and that goes in my mind that just goes to sort of the backwards thinking that
40:02
is included in scripture about female bodies and about that like our development. And I was like,
40:13
I don't know, I don't know what else to point to as being, how else does a grown-ass woman who has
40:22
experienced these things for herself? How does she have so little care for a child? I mean, these
40:30
are normal parts of development for an adolescent girl. And she has seven other kids, right?
40:37
Yep. Did none of them grow up to have periods? They all just stayed six forever? Hard to say.
40:43
I don't, and it's unclear to me how many boys versus girls that they had. And it doesn't,
40:51
it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter. You could have seven boys. And this would still be
41:00
just wildly unacceptable behavior. Thankfully, Carrie and Larry were found guilty on almost all the
41:08
charges brought against them. I really, I hope that nobody is offended that I did not go into
41:17
greater detail about sort of the events that specifically on the day in question that led to
41:26
Hannah's death because I, it's really rough. I feel like Carrie at one point is on the phone with
41:33
her husband. She has not gotten in touch with emergency services. And he actually advises her to do so.
41:41
And she's still hesitant to do so. Well, no shit, because she just killed a fucking child.
41:46
Yeah. Yeah. There are just details of this that it's like, listen, what it boils down to is that
41:55
these people are extremists and they are sick in the head. Maybe that has nothing to do with their
42:00
religion and they would have done these horrible things to children, regardless. I don't know.
42:06
But it boils down to that this child was neglected and abused to death.
42:12
She came from a country where she had so little chance to survive and thrive,
42:19
particularly in this era. And she lived here, state side for less than a handful of years
42:28
and died horrifically, horrifically. She lived longer in the country where she came from.
42:36
The jury's verdict was guilty on the following counts. First degree, assault of
42:44
immanual manslaughter. This was of course in connection to Hana's death and additionally for
42:52
Carrie homicide by abuse. They were sentenced on October 29th, 2013,
42:59
Larry to almost 28 years and Carrie to almost 37. However, if you say it in months,
43:09
like some people do for their kids well beyond the age of infancy, it almost sounds better.
43:14
333 and 443, respectively. Wow. 333. That's been interesting. He double it in like, you know,
43:29
660. Oh, fuck. For reference, sentencing is frequently far less, roughly half of the sentences
43:41
that they received for similar crimes. So they actually kind of got nailed to the wall a little bit.
43:47
And I don't feel bad about it at all. Do you know if they like got out earlier? Some shit. Not to
43:52
my knowledge at this point. One judge was quoted as saying they likely still deserve more.
43:59
And frankly, I'm inclined to agree. I agree. Can we give more? Can we just tack a little bit more?
44:06
That would be great. And there is so much more, but you're going to have to get past the paywall,
44:12
my friends. Hey, Trion, looks like you may have some bonus content coming your way.
44:18
Because best believe I am so far from shutting the fuck up about this particular topic and this
44:25
particular case, there's a lot for my research that I still kind of want to get into and discuss,
44:33
but somebody's got to pay for my therapy after this. Patreon? This one really fucked me up a little bit.
44:45
I mean, it took me so much longer to get through each of the stages with this case. It really,
44:51
yeah, none of them are, I mean, God, there's nothing I talk about. It's, you know, sunshine and rainbows.
45:00
But I must have been like feeling the Ick. Well, I guess I was probably feeling your Ick vibe because
45:07
you were sitting here writing it like, uh, sucks. Uh, yeah, but I didn't even like the fact that carry
45:14
a Larry rhyme. I didn't even like, oh, that's so cute. Normally, you would be like, oh, yeah,
45:20
but you just knew, I don't even, I didn't know that as far as you knew they could have been the victims.
45:25
Right. But you were like, I'm not getting that. I don't know. I don't remember. Maybe when we go back,
45:30
I'll listen to the recording. Maybe I will say, oh, but I don't think I was. I don't think so. I was
45:36
just picking up the vibe. No, because immediately I would have been like, oh, no, no, trust me. Not cute.
45:42
Yeah. No, not cute. All right. All right. I think we're going to go do the thing that we normally do
45:52
that we talked about at the beginning. And also, we'll probably have some snacks. Snack break and
46:00
the next tarot. Indeed. They give her two middle names too. I really fucking hate that.
46:09
What was her middle names? Hannah Aleemoo was her birth name. And I don't know. I don't know if this
46:17
was ever changed like legally or if this is just tacked on. It really doesn't matter. Nobody calls
46:25
her this. Nobody ever will. Hana Grace-Rose. And they hyphenated Grace-Rose. Grace-Rose.
46:33
Huh. Interesting. I hate it. So they they referred to her as Hana Grace hyphen Rose Williams.
46:41
It's not what her headstone says. Thank God. Okay. Because there were people that cared enough to make
46:52
sure she had a proper burial. Good. And a real last headstone. Wow. I didn't really even think about
46:59
it. Oh, visit her being like a thing. But oh my gosh. I'm glad that someone did that. Yeah.
47:05
Is she buried in Washington? We're going to oh, trust. That's a big part of what I want to talk about
47:16
in in the extended. The people that made sure that she had a proper burial. It's not necessarily a
47:24
long, a long discussion. But I I feel like there are some some important details there. And I feel
47:33
like it it made me feel so much sadder but also kind of better. That makes sense. Because it's like
47:41
oh, you know, because they love her. And then I'm like, oh, but they love her. But all they
47:49
are right. Let's go do terrible. Okay. Okay. Don't lick the cards because that was weird.
47:56
Okay. We have the infamous snorter here. So if you hear pig sounds in the background that is the dog.
48:04
Yeah. And also the dog is here. Yeah. You are you are the infamous snorter too.
48:13
snorting already. I think we need a third mic. She's clearly got things to say.
48:24
Kim and I do one more thinking about Hana. Ladies giving us all her energy.
48:39
Oh, she's jumping down. You wanted to be up here. You here with this whole fit. I know. She's like,
48:44
but it's boring. Yes, we're just doing tarot. I'm actively petting her by the way.
48:52
Lady, at least get up here and show me your cute face before you leave. Oh, look at you face.
48:58
I thought you wanted to do terror with us. You were even in a video. You were in a real.
49:08
We'll see you the chords. Okay. Bye.
49:12
Okay. That's like where I was going. Like, here is. Yeah. Or here is. Like in the middle of that ish.
49:23
Okay. Two of cards. Okay. That's interesting. It's such a positive card. I think so. It's like what
49:34
Carrie and Terry should have been. I feel like I've said that before. Larry. Oh, wait.
49:39
Who the fuck cares? Larry and Carrie, right? Larry and Carrie. Yeah. I feel like that's like what they
49:50
should have been. Like two loving bird parents who love all their adopted children. But
49:57
I mean, I don't even think I need to read it, but I guess I will. Yeah. It's just, it's too
50:03
positive. I mean, it is. And we drew it upright. I'm interested to see. Okay. Two of cups are keywords are
50:12
partnership, harmony, creative exchange and cooperation. Who cooperation? No, I don't, I don't
50:21
know about that word. Interesting in this context. I'll say that much. In many decks, the two of cups
50:29
shows a man and woman holding chalices as if toasting each other. The card represents joining forces
50:38
with someone either romantically or in a creative slash spiritual endeavor. It was spiritual too.
50:46
Well, in joining forces, honestly, that makes me think of at least in this application. I don't think
50:56
I ever would have thought of this being a connection, but you're joining together
51:01
families. You're joining these other and it was too adopted children. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
51:09
You share a common dream, interest or passion and can work together to bring it into being.
51:16
This next part might actually be physically painful to say. Mutual respect and equality exist
51:23
between you. Gonna beg to differ, but you know, and we'll move on. The upright too indicates a period
51:33
of harmony when things go smoothly between you and another person. I think of this as the honeymoon card.
51:45
Not in this case. Well, I think this feels representative of that honeymoon period. It's like six months
51:54
where things, I mean, at least there was nothing that was representing as being sort of a red flag.
52:03
Right. She like gained the weight and was like a normal kid and then. It seemed like both kids were
52:11
beginning to adjust. I mean, it's all relative and nobody else was there in the home with
52:20
that family, but when you have high hopes and experience a time of accord, optimism,
52:28
inspiration and goodwill, interreading about money, the upright to suggest a financial
52:37
partnership or merging your resources with someone else's for mutual gain. It can also mean
52:44
financial support comes from a partner or a backer. It doesn't feel super applicable, but it does
52:52
make me think of like, I think you said one of the kids got surrendered because of the disability.
53:00
So actually in this case, it's believed that both children that were adopted by the Williams
53:08
family were surrendered in no small part at least due to their medical condition. So one child
53:19
being deaf and in Hannah's case, my understanding is that she was happy positive.
53:29
Yeah, I think it just reminded me of our conversation like, well, did they were they just not able to
53:34
like afford to take care of it? So I don't know, that just reminded me of that kind of like
53:40
so much. So it's financial. Yeah, I mean, these days, how can anyone afford to raise a child
53:46
period? Right. Yeah. I mean, particularly with a child that might have any sort of special need.
53:54
I don't know. It's incredible. If the reading is about your job, this card describes a partnership
54:02
that benefits both people. Do you think this ties into the authors of to train a child? I think
54:13
this ties into the Pearl family. That's the vibe I'm picking up. And we have to record
54:24
this for bonus for the Patreon because there's just a lot of stuff that I feel like really provides
54:31
context that I didn't want to take the focus away from this particular family and this case
54:39
and Hannah in particular, but my God. So bullet point number two, you inspire one another and enjoy
54:49
working together. It can also represent cooperation and creative collaboration in your workplace.
54:57
In a reading about love, the two upright symbolizes a happy relationship that's developing smoothly.
55:05
You understand each other's needs and bring out the best in one another. This card shows
55:12
harmony, balance and mutual respect between two parties. I feel like this is all a lot of this
55:20
in the back half here is very representative of the Pearl family. Interesting. There's a lot of
55:30
really interesting material. I should probably stop there. Okay. To be honest, I didn't really anticipate
55:39
and I didn't want that to be such a major focus of this, but I feel like at the same time,
55:46
sort of what I've been getting at is that people that sort of propagate these beliefs and
55:56
like the practices that go along with them. It's like, I don't know, I have a hard time saying that
56:01
you're blameless in situations like this where I mean, this is on the best day. I think a lot of
56:09
the things that people abiding by these teachings, a lot of what they would be doing on the very best day.
56:18
You'd have a hard time selling that that's healthy, that's natural, that's legal. Yeah.
56:27
But in these cases, it's really hard to say that those people have remained blameless.
56:33
Yeah. I'm not saying that it's anyone's fault, but the Williams, right. But also at the same time,
56:42
there's co-evality. Right. How did you end up there? And what they were doing with the children.
56:49
So, yeah, I just, I mean, you can't hold those, you can't hold the pearls or anyone else responsible
56:59
for the crime aside from carrying Larry Williams. But I do think ultimately, when you find that
57:08
there are certain ideologies that are truly irresponsible or that lead to harm,
57:15
there has to be a way to adjust for that. I don't know what that is. I don't have all the answers, but
57:22
you don't. What are we with this podcast? Boy, if I did, though. I'm just saying, you know,
57:30
that's ugly. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a parent she should have had the one she deserved.
57:43
I mean, she had two parents who were led by two parents who wrote an awful book about,
57:50
but any two parents out there should reportedly be doing raising children. She was adopted as part of a pair.
58:01
They are violet green swallows, which you can see on them. They are purple and green.
58:08
Okay. I'm going to read this from the little book. It's the little poem. I don't know what you call it.
58:14
It's a poem? No. What's the, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
58:21
Well, we're googling. Yeah. No, this is going to bother me. Get the Google machine out.
58:26
Allegory. Allegory. Yeah. Like all of these definitions are written like an allegory. It's okay.
58:34
A story poem or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political
58:42
one. So it's a poem. You said poem in your description there, but they're not really strictly speaking
58:50
poem, right? But I wasn't wrong. I'm going to award you half a point. Okay. I'm going to read these,
58:57
these allegory, the swallows paths crossed and everything changed for both of them.
59:03
Had the wind not carried her a little farther than she had planned to go or had yesterday's storm,
59:11
not forced him to land early, they would never have encountered one another. Oh my god. A child
59:19
born in Ethiopia dies in Cedra, Wolley. That is true. Like everything has to align for you to get
59:27
to this one specific area. Yeah. In this case, like, in not a good way. Had he not twittered loudly
59:36
as he sun bathed, they would never have collected grass or twigs or feathers together. Had she not
59:43
swooped past at precisely the right moment to catch his showy display, they would not later
59:49
shape their collection into a cup in that hollow fur. Had her first return display to him,
59:56
not complemented the choreography of his own, they would never have bonded or laid eggs or incubated
1:00:03
them or hunted for insects to feed their brood. These birds are feeding their brood. Yeah. But all
1:00:10
those things conspired to occur, whether through chance, serendipity or fate, their past and just
1:00:17
cross, they converged. Same with like that couple who everything had to work out for them to get together
1:00:25
to have all of these kids to I cannot believe this. Just that specific word choice. Converged.
1:00:33
I don't think the tab is still open, but oh, I'm glad I read that then. I'm looking just to see. I
1:00:44
don't think I left it open. I was like, I don't need this anymore. I know I closed it. At some point
1:00:50
during this, it's just weird. I don't know. It's kind of one of those things where just like a word
1:00:56
hits you a certain way. At some point, I don't even know that it was related to the case specifically, but I
1:01:06
was looking up the term insufficient convergency. Oh, what does that mean?
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You're like, I don't know. I'm looking it up. Honestly, I feel like I'm not. That's not a word like,
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it's a word people use, obviously, but not really one that's like used in everyday language, you know?
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Oh, okay. Actually, this is going to explain a lot. It's insufficient convergence, not
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convergency, but in my defense, when I was researching this, I may or may not have had a head injury.
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It has to do with the visual disturbance that when I was describing to the Google machine,
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what I was experiencing, it was like, do you mean? And I was like, perhaps tell me more.
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So it wasn't about the case or anything else. I mean, they coincided. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. I had tabs for both open in the same browser. They were converged.
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They sure converge. It does like, that word, though. It's weird.
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It is weird. It's one of those things that makes you think you're on the right path.
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Yeah, just sort of, I don't know, it's synchronicity.
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So happened to me the other day and I wrote it down just because I didn't think it was a huge deal,
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but now maybe I'll say what it was because I don't think I ever plan to say it.
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Oh, really? I think I even wrote it in my grocery time. I literally wrote it down in my groceries tab,
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because I was like, I'm just going to write this down real quick. I'm not even going to
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bother open a new note pad for this. Just for that. Oh, come on.
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And because I was like, I'll probably just delete this. But it was interesting. So I had sent a text
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in the sound like glitched. Like, you know, when it goes, it went like, but it was like glitchy.
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And I was like, Oh, that's weird. I have like, so I turned on a new pot. This was like, I don't know.
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I don't think it was directly after this happened, but it was like somewhere within
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10 minutes of this like glitch itself. It was like, you know, I was going to say like a few days.
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It was like, no, it's like the next thing I remember doing or whatever I turned on a podcast.
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Oh, and I like, you know, I skipped past the, you know, the ad.
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Yeah. Don't do that with our show because of what you want us to make money, you know?
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Yes, it was a podcast that makes a lot of money. I was making so much money.
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Yeah. Other podcasts, they make so much money.
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Listen to the yeah. So anyway, I was skipping the ads and I went,
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skip, skip, skip, and all of a sudden the, the host of it just says glitchy. And I was like,
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that was weird. Like who just weird? Because I like was in the middle of her sentence.
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And she just went glitchy. And that was the first word that I had like,
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stop the skip on. And I was like, Oh, that's weird. Because I just had like a weird glitch thing happen.
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But so as I was like typing this out though, and like the boop boop boop boop sounds were glitching.
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Not so it was just like three glitchy things in a row. Oh, that's freaky. And my phone has never
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made like this glitchy sound. I'm sure it was like an update thing or whatever. I don't know what it was.
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Oh, it's gotta be right. I'm sure. But like three like glitchy glitch go to glitch. Yeah.
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I mean, just say glitch three times. It was weird. Anyway, that's all weird.
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Remind me of that thing that I never thought I would tell anyone. I thought I was just going to
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bleed off my grocery list. But it just made me think, you know, just makes me think we're on the right.
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Yeah. Things like a lie enough like that. Yeah, it's just weird. Well, I told you,
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I, something had already come up for me that I was thinking about Little House on the Prairie.
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And then I, I came across that Hannah was reading Little House on the Prairie. And um,
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there was an adolescent inside of me. Oh, they just, I mean, that, that got me, that got me.
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And listen, I, uh, I'm not going to say that those books hold up in, uh, the year of our Lord 2025.
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Um, I'm not even sure when I read them that they weren't already probably super duper problematic.
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I mean, listen, they never were not problematic. It's just, uh, whether or not you were paying attention.
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Right. I think you have good memories with them. It doesn't like make it the fact that you
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would go to memories associated with it. Yeah. I think that's fair. But I mean, I did too.
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I know. Oh, I do. If anyone just deserves to have, you know, some small piece of joy in
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anything. Oh my god. So I am wearing the world's tiniest cross today. But if it's should we do the
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thing? Yeah, let's do the thing. I think so. It's probably time for some French onion dip.
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I do. Yeah. Let's do that in our white cloths for true leaves or whatever the fuck.
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Bubbly waters. She would like to consume more bookies.
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Oh, I got some right here. What am I talking about? I literally have one.
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Is she keeps forgetting that her glasses actually on this conveniently located table?
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That's where glasses go. You can easily access them. Correct. That, uh, typically, typically. Yeah.
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That for just me to be with them arms. Reach. Yeah. It's true. Even these little t-mails.
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Okay. Have a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Tuesday.
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What do you think this is a catwalk? I do my little turn on the catwalk.
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Oh, the catwalk. It's a dogwalk. Lady. Come at the lights. Oh my god. Okay. Let's do this terror.
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