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Syria: how to rebuild a 'corrupted narco-state' · The Fourcast

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  Hello and welcome to the Forecast.
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  I'm Christian Guru Murphy and we are in Damascus.
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  I'm with our international editor Lindsay Hilson and with
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  Fuad Saeed Issa, who is the director of the aid agency
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  Violet, which has been operating in the north but has has now
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  come to Damascus after the revolution.
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  So we are now a few days into these jaw-dropping events in
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  Syria, and we wanted to try and talk about where we are now and
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  where we might be heading. I mean, in terms of what's going
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  on in the country. Give us some sort of overview
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  because there is still a lot of activity going on in the north.
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  You know the war is not over everywhere.
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  Absolutely not. And so you've got, I mean,
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  you've got 2 outside players. You've got the Israelis who've
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  been bombing certain facilities because they say they don't want
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  weapons to fall into the hands of the extremists.
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  Well, some people say that's the reason.
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  And other people say it's because they want to make sure
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  that Syria is always weak and they've taken a, what they're
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  calling a temporary buffer zone to try and prevent trouble
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  spilling over the border. And then you've got Turkey,
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  which has a historic enmity with the Kurds who control NE Syria.
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  And they have also been bombing. And my understanding is that
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  there has been, you know, some people are being displaced in
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  the northeast because of continued fighting.
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  And we're hearing, you know, the town of Dera Zor has now fallen
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  to what what we were calling, he's put Tahir al Sham, this
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  rebel group, and now they're calling themselves the
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  transitional government. So, you know, I'm not quite sure
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  who we what we call it now. So there's that going on.
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  And then the other thing that's going on is that you have all
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  these fighters from Idlib, which is the area the HTS was
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  controlling, who have now come into Damascus and into all the
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  other cities. And, you know, they're country
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  boys. They're country boys in uniform.
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  And this is a big city. And it's very different from
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  what they're they're used to. And as you said to us, they're
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  friendly. And what I understand from
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  people I've been speaking to is that they're friendly to
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  everyone else. But there's a whole load of, but
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  they are Islamists there. There's an awful lot of mixing
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  of people in Syria who have never mixed before and the sense
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  that yes, they are in control, but what are they going to do?
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  There's also apprehension as well as joy.
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  Also there is a big worries from our side as an organization
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  about the services because you know now they are trying to run
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  the services. But as we understand from the
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  government, there is like no any resources now to run this
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  government because all the resources mean the money, the
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  dollar, the other things were stolen before arriving from
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  Bashar al-Assad and the the old government and now there is no
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  any resources. Because at the moment, I mean, I
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  suppose the, the, the reasonably hopeful thing is that the civil
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  servants, if you like, have stayed, They haven't been
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  sacked, they haven't run away. So the, the government
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  departments should still function if they can find a way
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  of paying them and keeping them on the payroll.
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  Now you you met one of the people now in charge of one of
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  these ministries. Yeah.
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  So just before I talk about that, let's just say one thing.
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  But we've been talking about, you know, the present, which is
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  the joy, and the future, which is the apprehension.
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  Let's just quickly talk about the past, which is the
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  prisoners, because I mean, this is obviously one of the the
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  biggest things is that some people are full of joy, but
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  there are a lot of people crying as well.
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  The people who've been to the prisons and found out their
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  their son, their husband, their sister was tortured, was
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  murdered. And that you know, that goes
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  through everything. It goes through everything
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  because there's scarcity, a family that hasn't been touched
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  by the utter cruelty of the Assad regime.
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  And so one of the first demands is justice.
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  And if they don't have a functioning justice system,
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  there will be revenge. There may be revenge anyway.
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  There may be revenge, which is already happening that we don't
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  know about that going on in in sort of.
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  Corners, that's happened. Actually.
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  We we heard some incidents happen.
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  It's still small numbers, but as you said, like the people need
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  the justice because you can imagine that someone killed your
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  children and he's back living in the same building where you are
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  and you cannot do anything because there is like no, no
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  fighting decision and but you need your justice in the end.
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  And then this is. There are some incidents.
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  We we heard that people are not waiting because they need the.
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  Justice, right? And that's what weapons, that's
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  right. And this guy I met yesterday,
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  he's the he's the deputy minister of administration.
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  His name is Mohammed Yassa Khazal, very good English.
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  He was an HTS fighter and then he was the administrator of
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  Idlib. So he has a lot of experience
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  because Idlib, you know, which was a rebel held enclave, about
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  4 million people. That's a small country, you
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  know, it's not nothing, but we found him yesterday.
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  It was extraordinary. We went into, it's the Damascus
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  Governorate and you have this incredible scene where all the
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  civil servants, as you were saying, have come back to see if
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  they can get their job back. The answer at memories, yes, but
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  some of them have. So how did you get a job in the
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  Assad regime? Well, you got a job if you were
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  a member of somebody's family or if you paid a bribe or whatever.
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  And there's a lot of ridiculous jobs.
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  And when I spoke to Mr. Hazal, he said it was interesting.
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  We had the formal interview and at the end he he said, can I ask
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  you a question? He said, let me tell you a few
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  things. And one of the things was he
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  said, look, the big people, they've fled, you know, they've
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  fled. We're not going to get them.
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  And what we're dealing with here are the are the middle level
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  people. And he said, and there are some
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  technocrats and people who, you know, could be said there's all
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  these other people, what are we going to do with them?
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  He said, well, some of them have potential and maybe we can
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  retrain and so on. But an awful lot of them, they
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  would just, you know, this. Wasn't really do anything, yes.
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  Yeah, this was an old sort of make work communist system.
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  And the other thing which was fascinating, I, he said to me,
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  he said, So what should we do to try and get the recognition and
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  the acknowledgement from the British government, the American
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  government, sort of very practical man, very aware of
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  exactly what you've been talking about, making the water work,
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  making the electricity work so we don't have all these power
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  cuts, you know, trying to do all the sensible normal things that
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  people need. He said this place is like North
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  Korea. He said we have to, we have to
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  make it into a proper country again because they know
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  perfectly well the money's gone, the money was stolen, the
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  country is in. As he said, it's an absolute
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  catastrophe. I mean, Fred, you've worked with
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  these guys in the north with your organization, so you know
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  them reasonably well. I mean, you know, there is,
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  there is an obvious fear in, you know, in, in Europe and America
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  that this is in some way like the Taliban, you know, that they
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  want an Islamist state, that they are radicals, but they're
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  not, are they? I mean, in, in that sense, it's
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  not. They don't want that kind of
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  country here today. I think to be honest, I think
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  they are mostly from Islamic background as we are in Islamic
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  country. But I think they are thinking in
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  very big way, thinking to have a very great relation with
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  international countries. That's what I mean, in terms of
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  their ambition, their their ambition is not the same as the
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  Taliban or ISIS. I didn't get that impression at
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  all, but presumably there will be different strands of thought
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  amongst the different groups who are now coming together in the
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  salvation government and I'm sure there are some who are much
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  more that way inclined than others.
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  So the people we're meeting at the moment are, you know, full
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  of this that, you know, yes, women will be free to wear what
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  they want. And no, we are not going to
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  oppress the Alawites and the the Christians.
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  But there's going to be some people in there who, who think
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  differently. And I suppose, you know, now is
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  this moment of unity. But how long, you know, I
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  remember Libya, you know, it was all joy and happiness, you know,
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  until someone lost an eye. You know, it's you get different
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  people and you're going to get different groups who who will
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  have a different vision for. The country and that the worries
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  why the Syrian are trying to to be to do the unity to gather to
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  not like, I mean losing the control or losing the message,
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  the great message that they are spreading now.
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  The message. I think it's good for the most
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  of Syria now what they are saying how they are acting.
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  That's important. But when we can, I mean, there
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  is a moment we could lose all of that.
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  And I think the big worries for for them is not the Syrian is
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  the international world and how they can build a relation with
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  this government. This is the.
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  This is the great danger, though, it seems to me, Lindsay,
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  isn't it the, the governments are, they're waiting to see what
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  this is. And, and, and the truth is you
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  don't really have time in deciding whether or not to
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  engage with with this government because if you don't, then who
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  knows what will happen. Well, it, it look, that's
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  exactly true. But I you've got Gulf countries
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  and I think this is what's really important because I
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  suspect that the British, the Americans, the French are all
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  going to dither because that's what they tend to do.
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  Because they're all still, they're still banned at the
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  moment. Yeah, all these people, you
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  know, Gilani, who's no longer called Gilani, who is the head.
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  Of the Al Sharana. Yes, right.
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  The he's the head of this salvation government.
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  He is a, he's on the terrorism list.
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  I'm not actually quite sure how you get off the terrorism list.
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  I don't really know what the mechanism for that is.
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  And that's going to be an issue. But there's a lot of money in
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  the Gulf, you know, the Saudis, the Qataris, the UAE.
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  There is a way in which money can come into this country for
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  paying the salaries and for reconstruction that doesn't have
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  to, to go through Western countries.
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  But then look, I don't want to be Cassandra, I hate that role.
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  But. Sort of.
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  Your job. It is my job to be Cassandra.
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  Yes, Lindsay. Cassandra Hilson.
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  My fear also is that if a lot of money comes in, that's when you
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  get corruption, you know, and and it's very difficult.
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  You know, you've got all these people who've been poor for so
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  long. This country's been under
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  sanctions, people. I was talking to a fighter
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  yesterday when we were wandering around Bashar al Assad's palace,
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  which has been picked clean, you know, looting, which is, you
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  know, writing historical wrong. And he was saying, you know,
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  they were living in luxury while we were being bombed in tents.
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  Absolutely true. Money starts to come in.
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  Your family is living in the most appalling conditions and
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  you don't really have enough to eat, you know, or, and then you
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  get a little bit more and you want a little bit more and you
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  want it better. Like, you know, you, we've seen
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  it in so many places. Reconstruction money breeds
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  corruption. And I don't, I mean, it's
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  inevitable you're going to have some of that, but how you keep a
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  lid on that, I don't really. But if I can also, I mean speak
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  about our experience with them, with this government before,
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  because we work with them in the.
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  Area, yeah, for 3-4 years 2 downbeat.
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  We work with them for for long and we didn't hear any big
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  corruption happened in the area from this government because
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  they were focusing on their goals.
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  They were focusing on having free Syria, but as you said,
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  like it's could be different when the money.
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  Came when you get. The control on the whole Syria,
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  but because also that sometimes held because they have the
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  values and they are believing in their and.
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  That's the Islamism. That's the positive side.
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  Exactly that that pushing them all the time to be aware from
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  getting any money not in the in the good way or the right way.
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  The other thing, you know, that where there are unrealistic
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  expectations is the political process.
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  Now, you know, at the moment they're a transitional
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  government. They're, they're suggesting
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  we'll just be a transitional government for a small number of
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  months and then we'll create, you know, a process of
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  institutions and the expectation of some sort of, you know,
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  democratic process. It's going to take a long time.
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  Look, it really is. And one of the things that sort
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  of annoys me about Western governments in these kind of
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  situations is they're saying, right, you have to have
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  elections. What a lovely thing elections
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  are. How can you have elections in
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  the short term when you've got, I don't know, what is it,
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  14,000,000 Syrians who are forced into into exile,
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  refugees, what would be the mechanism for them to vote?
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  Some are coming back, some aren't, and so on.
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  And when and who do they vote for?
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  There are no political. Parties there are no.
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  Political parties and just to say something if I can, if you
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  see the street, the people were today and yesterday printing the
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  photo of El Giuliani, a sharer and having it not because they
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  loving him, but this is the way how they learn that from Alassa
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  where? You just back them, you back
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  just. Got that.
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  To say that we're protected somehow and we are the people
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  who came from the Raffles area and from Midler.
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  We're saying no one in Midler do that, no one having his photo.
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  I mean, he did the work and. Interesting you know it.
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  Really is. But they are they were acting
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  like that with the lasted regime, with the lasted for 14
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  years. And now they think that the only
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  way to to be. Safe.
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  And that's the that's the mentality.
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  I mean, I'm sorry to be, you know, a boring old thought, but
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  this just makes me think of something from 2003 where the
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  day Saddam Hussein fell and the Americans came into town.
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  I just remember the American tanks coming in, and there's a
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  group of people. And what they had always done
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  was they had jumped up and down and shouted in Arabic.
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  Oh, Saddam, we redeem you with our blood and spirit.
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  We redeem you. Oh, Saddam.
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  And then they kind of. And then they saw the tank and
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  they saw us. And and they go, oh George Bush,
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  we redeem you with our blood and our spirit.
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  I mean, that's, that's the reality.
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  Thinking isn't. From the first hour we arrived
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  to some cities in in Homs and the Moscow they were saying bro
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  with them. DK Jolani yes, like in blood,
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  we're. It's the same 1, isn't it?
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  Yeah, I mean for Jolani, and they don't know him.
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  Who's Jolani and what he's coming to do?
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  What the things then? I mean, that's why it's not
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  easy. It's like the message for the
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  the UKUS and the other governments.
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  It's not the way to just push for democracy in a very fast way
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  without thinking about the reality here.
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  The people, they didn't have any parties from 45 years and they
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  didn't join any politicals out of El Bas party.
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  They they didn't know how the the, the government, the people
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  in in the world like acting and living.
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  What the political choice may be, you know, you, you've got to
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  build those arguments, those groups and.
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  Those and those institutions, first of all, because what are
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  people talking about? Justice and dignity.
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  That's what people want justice and dignity.
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  Oh and water and electricity. But I think it it's this issue
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  because the Syrian, I think there's more state, you might
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  more of a Syrian state than there was of a Libyan state.
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  But we're still talking about a mafia family that run this, ran
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  this country for 50 years and in recent years ran it on the drugs
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  trade. Captigan.
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  So basically this is a narco state.
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  So it has no economy and totally corrupted institutions in as
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  much as they were. So that has to be the priority.
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  You're more or less starting from scratch.
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  And it's going to be difficult for them to just close all of
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  that down, isn't it, because it's a source of revenue?
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  If, if I can say also the organization, when we came here,
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  we don't have resources to work in this a huge city and we were
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  trying to visit the big organization, Hunterian
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  organization here and the whole big organization.
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  The leaders were lifting because all of them were affiliated with
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  Assad fully or also part of his family or something.
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  Then this is the organization and the humanitarian sector.
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  What about the ministers? What about the money, the
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  businesses and other things? I think the focusing should be
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  now in the 1st month IS and as I said, I mean is the services,
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  the civil services, electric, water and humanitarian aids and
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  what needed for the people. And then working on the
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  political side just to do some awareness.
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  The other way is just also having the Syrian Rapples and
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  the Syrian opposition from outside of Syria, because we
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  have like big, big, we can say the resources from the Syrian
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  who was living in diaspora for for 45 years, they need to come
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  back for 20. They should come back.
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  They should be a important part from this government because
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  they are acceptable. They are like welcomed and they
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  need to put their resources now. It's the national time for all
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  of us, for all of Syrian. Everyone have resources to be
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  here in Damascus and to work either with government, either
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  with establishing new political things or parties, but it's the
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  time for all national people, Syrian people, to be here and to
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  act hand in hand to build this country.
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  But that there will be a natural caution, won't there, of people
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  saying, well, is it is now the time to go back or do I need to
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  wait? I think it's a catch 22.
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  It yes, but I, most Syrians I know are desperate to come home.
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  They really want to come home. And there has been a lot of work
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  done with sort of government in exile and people trying to build
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  up the skills and so on that they, they need.
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  And for the last 13 years people have been thinking about this
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  moment in the diaspora and they've been thinking about what
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  they can contribute when they come home.
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  So I do think, I do think that there are many Syrians of
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  goodwill who want to come back and, and build their, their
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  country. But I just hope that the Western
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  countries don't push them into the political divisions too
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  early on, because I think that could be very destructive.
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  I was at the shrine yesterday to the the prophet's granddaughter.
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  It was very interesting and, and a young man came up to me and
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  wanted to chat and he said we were talking about why people
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  were so afraid of, of, of the, the revolution in, in their
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  community, the Shia community. And he said, he said, look, he
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  was a student, he's currently a student at university.
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  He says even at university in our first year, we had a course
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  we had to take compulsory called National Culture.
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  And in that we were taught that a revolution would be a
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  disaster. These were terrorists.
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  They would come and kill us and it would be the end of
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  everything. And he was just having that
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  awakening of saying, you know, it, it was all wrong.
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  You know, and there's a lot to kind of shift in the way people
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  are thinking he was. He was stepping into this shrine
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  which was now being guarded by HTS fighters, you know, Sunni
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  fighters guarding a Iranian built Shia shrine.
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  That's right. I think that was like the system
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  are just now we are trying to understand how they was
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  controlling this country for 45 years.
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  When I was 16 or 15. Also when the revolution started
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  in 2011, I was in my school, the high school and then we was like
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  when the Arab Spring started, we were discussing what could
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  happen in Syria and how we can act.
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  We were children's like in that day and I was arrested for two
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  days because just we were discussing something.
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  As a children, we were worried all the time how we can continue
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  our studying. And they were saying that you're
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  not able to get to the university if you're not part of
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  Hizbul Bass Bass party. And yeah, I mean, as a children,
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  we were shocked. Like, what is that?
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  What's happening here? And when we got arrested, we
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  understand that it's not a job. Like it's sensitive things also
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  as a children. And it was crazy when I, I mean,
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  I was, I, I born and also had all of my life in Syria.
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  But then when I went out to, to the Western countries and to the
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  whole countries, I feel that we were in, in just kind of series
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  or something, film or something, how they control us and how they
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  close our eyes in Syria for all of these years.
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  And we saw that this is the right.
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  The right is not talking about the political, the right is not
• 21:22
  being part of any like activity, also civil society things.
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  And you should just get like a photo for Bashar Lassen and put
• 21:32
  it on ahead of your like. So, but so many Syrian families
• 21:37
  now have relatives overseas. And of course you have had the
• 21:41
  Internet. And so although you do still
• 21:44
  have that sort of mindset, there are lots of people who, you
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  know, have had so many different experiences now within their
• 21:52
  families that I think that that, you know, that can change quite
• 21:56
  quickly. Do you think?
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  I think so, but you know what, when when the revolution started
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  in 2011, when as a as the children, we were joining this
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  like marching the only one who's who's who was seeing from our
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  families. I mean, my family were also part
• 22:14
  of like the revolution in the 18th and many of our like my
• 22:20
  uncles, they were arrested for 35 years.
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  And those people were the only one who say to us, you're not
• 22:27
  allowed to do that, don't do any revolution.
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  And we were like with the energy as a use to do something.
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  And they were just, I mean, fighting us to not do anything.
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  Because they were so afraid for you.
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  Because they're afraid because they have their whole life in
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  the presence and they were like just 10s of people.
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  I mean, instead of us saying don't do anything, you don't
• 22:49
  know the reality, you don't know what's going on.
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  And we were saying like you are the people who is affecting from
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  that. You should push us to do that
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  and. That's why.
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  That's why it's, I mean, again, in, in this 13 years when the
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  people under the asset control, the areas of asset control, they
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  were worried of saying any single word.
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  When you see your brother getting to the president to the
• 23:15
  president for having $100 in your pocket money or or so
• 23:20
  saying a word and then being without any news for 10 years in
• 23:25
  a in a like arrested for 10 years.
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  Then what to do thinking about politicals or think something
• 23:31
  just stock on house and it water electric is the best what you're
• 23:37
  thinking about If you can get that.
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  And till this day like now, no Assad, no country governments,
• 23:44
  no one. And then still the people are
• 23:47
  afraid from getting the dollar or also saying any word they
• 23:51
  saying when the incidents happened, they're not saying the
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  revolution were till this day because they are afraid from
• 23:58
  saying the words of revolution. Then that's why I think it's a
• 24:02
  huge changing in the country. But it could take a time, it's
• 24:06
  not a quick changing and the services and the government
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  think it will be very risky if especially the Western
• 24:13
  countries, they didn't decide to go and support the Syrian in
• 24:18
  this sensitive. Time.
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  Well, it's just the beginning. It's fascinating and it's a it's
• 24:22
  an amazingly exciting thing to watch out to say.
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  I mean, it's, it's a, it's a very, it's a, it's a privilege,
• 24:28
  I think to. We're very lucky to be here with
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  you. We're lucky to be a part of this
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  revolution. We're now building our future.
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  We'll be building the new Syria, and it's the time to get the
• 24:40
  support from the whole countries, from the whole three
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  people. Who's believing on us?
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  And who's believing that the Syria worth it and could have a
• 24:51
  better future? Thank you very much indeed.
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  That's the forecast for now. Until next time, bye bye.