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Bill Clinton And The Transcript From His Epstein Related Interview With Congress (Part 3) (8/26/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with the Bill Clinton transcript from
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  Speaker 1: his trip to Congress. Question, did Jeffrey Epstein ever inform
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  Speaker 1: you or represent to you that he was working with
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  Speaker 1: any intelligence service of any nation, including the United States?
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, no. Question, did Ghislaine Maxwell ever inform you
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  Speaker 1: or represent to you that she was working with any
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  Speaker 1: intelligence service of any nation, including the United States? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and during your relationship, did you ever suspect Epstein or
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell of being affiliated with any intelligence agency? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: did not. Answer, thank you. Question, I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about your time at the White House. I realize that
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  Speaker 1: you testified your recollection is limited, but did Mr. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: ever visit the White House while you were president? Objection.
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  Speaker 1: Asked and answered. Bill Clinton. The records reflect that he did. Congresswoman,
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  Speaker 1: that's not the question. Emmer. According to a FOA request
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  Speaker 1: to the Clinton Library, Mr. Epstein visited the White House
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  Speaker 1: at least 17 times between 1993 and 1995. Do you
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  Speaker 1: have any reason to dispute those numbers? Answer. Nope, I don't. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what the nature of Mr. Epstein's visits
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  Speaker 1: to the White House were? And to this, Cheryl Mills
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  Speaker 1: jumps in. Are you asking what he knew in preparation
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  Speaker 1: for today? Can you clarify what you're seeking to learn?
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, first of all, at the time, I had
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  Speaker 1: no idea he was coming and going. Huge numbers of
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  Speaker 1: people come and go to the White House. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of them come well over once, especially if they're lobbyists,
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  Speaker 1: for example. But I didn't know he was coming, so
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  Speaker 1: I certainly didn't know what he was coming about. Question, Mr. President.
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  Speaker 1: After you left office, did you or your staff... Ever
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  Speaker 1: conduct a review of records, documents, or other material related
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  Speaker 1: to Mr. Epstein's connection to your White House? One of
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  Speaker 1: Clinton's lawyers jumps in. You're exempting counsel. You can respond
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  Speaker 1: to that, but don't say anything about what you talk
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  Speaker 1: to your lawyers about. You can respond to the question.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Mills, do you need the question again? Bill Clinton, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even understand. You mean, did we look into
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  Speaker 1: what he did at the White House after I left office? Mr. Emmer, Mr. President.
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  Speaker 1: One of the concerns of the committee is how Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and Glenn Maxwell attempted or potentially attempted to curry
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  Speaker 1: favor with influential figures. My question was, after he left office,
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  Speaker 1: did you or your staff ever conduct a review of
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  Speaker 1: records related to Mr. Epstein's connection to your White House? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: to the best of my knowledge, no. Question, at this time,
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  Speaker 1: I would like to introduce what will be marked as
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  Speaker 1: Majority Exhibit 11. And while it's being passed out, I'll
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  Speaker 1: note for the record, this is a New York Times
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  Speaker 1: article entitled The Untold Story of How Jeffrey Epstein Got Rich,
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  Speaker 1: published on December 16th, 2025. And when you receive the article,
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  Speaker 1: I want to direct your attention to the last paragraph
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  Speaker 1: of page 31. Cheryl Mills, the last paragraph of which page?
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  Speaker 1: Jack Emmer, 31. And when you're ready, I will also
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  Speaker 1: read it to the record. Again, we are looking at
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  Speaker 1: page 31 in the last paragraph. and I'll read it
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  Speaker 1: into the record and ask you a few questions. Please
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  Speaker 1: give him a moment to read this. Mr. President, the
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  Speaker 1: article reads, By 1995, President Clinton and Epstein were sufficiently
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  Speaker 1: chummy that he wrote a get-well-soon note to Epstein's ailing mother.
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  Speaker 1: Hang in there, the President scrawled on a yellow post-it,
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  Speaker 1: which Epstein saved, and we reviewed. Mr. President, did you
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  Speaker 1: write this note? Cheryl Mills, are you asking if he
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  Speaker 1: recalls writing a note from 1995 on a post-it? Jack Emmer, Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Mills. Okay, thank you. Bill Clinton. It looks like
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  Speaker 1: my handwriting, but I don't recall. But I will tell
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  Speaker 1: you this. I've written get well notes to lots of
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  Speaker 1: people I did not know and that I had never met. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And you answer my next question. Did you ever meet
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's mother or any of his family members? Answer. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I was asked to do this
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  Speaker 1: by Jeffrey Epstein. Question. And I want to focus specifically
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  Speaker 1: on the article's characterization. It says that you were chummy.
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  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein in 1995. Is that accurate? One of
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  Speaker 1: his lawyers jumps in. I'm going to object to the characterization.
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  Speaker 1: It's hearsay. The president may answer. Bill Clinton, no, I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't surprised by that. Question, let's talk about your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein after you left the White House. Bill Clinton, okay. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how would you characterize your relationship with Mr. Epstein? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: during that time, I was, it was cordial. Question, at
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  Speaker 1: any time, would you characterize Mr. Epstein as a friend? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: we were friendly, but I didn't know him well enough
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  Speaker 1: to be saying we were friends. Question, how often did
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  Speaker 1: you communicate with Mr. Epstein? Answer, usually only on trips.
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  Speaker 1: I did go to his house once, as you know. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll discuss that further later on today. And how
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  Speaker 1: did you typically communicate with Mr. Epstein? Did you talk
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  Speaker 1: to him on the phone? Answer, Cheryl Mills jumps in,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me. He just said he talked to him on
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  Speaker 1: the trips, so that's in person. Bill Clinton, typically my
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  Speaker 1: staff communicated with him. I think it was mostly Mr. Band,
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  Speaker 1: but somebody talked to him. Question, and you mentioned that
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  Speaker 1: you visited one of his properties, but outside of the
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  Speaker 1: work on the foundation and your trips, how many times
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  Speaker 1: did you meet in person with Mr. Epstein? Cheryl Mills,
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  Speaker 1: you're asking best of his recollection. Answer, by Bill Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: outside of the trips, I believe he came to the
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  Speaker 1: office once in Harlem. I was still housed up there then,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he paid a brief visit to the office,
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  Speaker 1: and I paid a brief visit to his house. But
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  Speaker 1: I once thought he was there, but now that I
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  Speaker 1: think about it, I don't think he was, and that
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  Speaker 1: was it. I mean, that's what I remember. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned you visited Mr. Epstein's house. Are you referring
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  Speaker 1: to his New York townhouse? Answer, yes. Question, in your
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  Speaker 1: communication with Mr. Epstein, did you ever have any communications
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  Speaker 1: that were not related to the foundation? Answer, I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe we ever talked about anything, but the work we
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  Speaker 1: were doing. I mean, maybe small talk. I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember the conversations. Question, and for the record,
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  Speaker 1: before we move on, did you ever communicate with Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein that related to young women or girls? Answer, no.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Mills jumps in. Excuse me, do you have? And
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  Speaker 1: gets cut off by Jack Emmer. Yes, ma'am. So now
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  Speaker 1: we have speaker number three. Good morning, Mr. President. How
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  Speaker 1: are you? Bill Clinton, I'm fine. Question, I want to
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  Speaker 1: first start out by asking you, have you ever been
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  Speaker 1: or traveled on or as Huma Abedin ever traveled on
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's plane? If you know, Bill Clinton, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: She might have taken one of the trips with us,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know. Question, okay, so have you flown
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  Speaker 1: on a plane with her? Bill Clinton, oh, several times. Question,
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  Speaker 1: several times. Cheryl Mills jumps in, can you say you
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  Speaker 1: have flown on a plane, any plane? Question, the Lolita Express.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Mills, what's that? When you say that? Question, have
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  Speaker 1: you flown on the Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein? To that,
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  Speaker 1: we have an objection. Bill Clinton, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that is. Question, have you flown on Jeffrey Epstein's plane
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  Speaker 1: with Huma Abedin? Objection, asked and answered. You may answer again.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, I don't know. I don't remember. I have flown.
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  Speaker 1: She's been sort of a part of our family for
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  Speaker 1: a very long time. So when I went to the
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  Speaker 1: Middle East, which I don't think I ever took a
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  Speaker 1: plane ride with Jeffrey Epstein. But she would typically go
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  Speaker 1: when I did. Question. So have you traveled with both
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  Speaker 1: of them together? Answer. Excuse me? Both of whom, Congresswoman? Question.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Have you traveled with Jeffrey Epstein or Huma
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  Speaker 1: Abedin together? Bill Clinton. I don't know. Question. Okay. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: If the staff can please pass out EFTA 0021628 and
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the documents, I have them print regarding
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  Speaker 1: passports to the President and Council. Emmer. This will be
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  Speaker 1: Exhibit 12. Cheryl Mills. Thank you. Thank you very much. Question. Mr. President,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at the passport page, the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the document should show the EFTA number. It's 00021628. Bill Clinton. Yeah. Question.
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  Speaker 1: There's a name on there. Would you be able to
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  Speaker 1: read that name to me? Cheryl Mills. Can you read
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  Speaker 1: the name? One of the lawyers jumps in. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: Will you ask me if I have ever seen the
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  Speaker 1: document before? Question. Yeah, well, this is evidence, and so
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him specifically, so it's from the
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  Speaker 1: DOJ document release, right? Answer, I understand, but he may
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  Speaker 1: not have seen it, or he may have seen it.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, no, I have never seen it, but it
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  Speaker 1: looks like a passport. Question, okay, can you tell me
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  Speaker 1: the name that's listed on the passport? Cheryl Mills, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: he's never seen the document. Would you just read the name, please? Answer, question, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the name is Marius Robert. Answer, Marius Robert, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: are you familiar with that name at all? Answer, no. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Would you be able to identify the individual in the photo? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like Jeffrey Epstein. Question, okay. The reason I
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  Speaker 1: ask you about this specifically is because I do believe
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  Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence operative. And so this
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  Speaker 1: was a passport that was actually entered and released by
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. But this was an FBI filing
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  Speaker 1: that was found in his safe, if you will. So
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  Speaker 1: it's an alias. The reason that I ask you that
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  Speaker 1: is because given your nature and position, I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 1: you were essentially targeted by a honeypot operation and or
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  Speaker 1: by intelligence to gather information. So that's why I asked
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  Speaker 1: the question. Bill Clinton, is there a question? His lawyer
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  Speaker 1: jumps in. No, you can ask a question. Now the
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  Speaker 1: person doing the questioning jumps back in. Well, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: getting to more, but that's the reason I asked that.
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  Speaker 1: My next question for you is, have you ever contacted
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  Speaker 1: or had contact with an individual by the name of
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  Speaker 1: Shantae Davies? Bill Clinton, I believe Shantae, that's a distinctive name,
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  Speaker 1: so I think that's the name of one of his
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  Speaker 1: flight attendants. Question, okay, she's been described on being on
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  Speaker 1: a 2002 Africa trip and provided massages. Was she or
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  Speaker 1: any other young female on that trip underage at the time?
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, not that I'm aware of. Question, okay, did
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  Speaker 1: you ever receive a massage or have physical contact from
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  Speaker 1: her or anyone else on that trip? Bill Clinton, you've
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  Speaker 1: seen the pictures. There was one time When I was
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  Speaker 1: sitting up and I got a back rub, a neck rub. Question. Okay. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Shantae did it, but I'm not sure. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever visit Epstein's Little St. James Island? Answer. No. Question.
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  Speaker 1: We have Virginia Roberts, who has testified to seeing you
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  Speaker 1: on the island with two young girls. Did this occur
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  Speaker 1: at all? Answer. No. Question. Why do you think she'd
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  Speaker 1: make that claim? An objection now by the lawyers. Objection. Speculation.
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  Speaker 1: He can't possibly... Back to the person doing the questioning.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever met her? Any other Epstein-associated underage girl?
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  Speaker 1: Answer by Clinton, not to my knowledge. Question okay. In
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's 2016 deposition, unsealed in the TOJ files, he refused
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  Speaker 1: to answer if you were accompanied by two young women
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  Speaker 1: who were approximately 18 years old on the island. Were
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  Speaker 1: any such women potentially underage with you? I know you
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  Speaker 1: stated that you were not there, but did you have
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  Speaker 1: any interaction with the set of people? Another objection. Objection
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  Speaker 1: to the foundation of the question. He's already stated he
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  Speaker 1: was not on the island. You're now asking about a
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  Speaker 1: claim of the Fifth Amendment by Jeffrey Epstein. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Would the staff be able? Jack Emmer, if the witness
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know, the witness is welcome to say that he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know. Cheryl Mills, but he actually answered the question.
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  Speaker 1: He answered the question that he wasn't on the island,
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  Speaker 1: so then she was asked. Question, okay. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: any individual by the name of Sarah Ransom? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe so. Question, okay. There have obviously been claims
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  Speaker 1: made about you, and I do not believe that these
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  Speaker 1: claims are credible. The reason I'm asking you specifically about
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  Speaker 1: the name is because that individual stated that you're on
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  Speaker 1: sex tapes, okay? It was unfounded, and it was discredited.
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  Speaker 1: But given how politicized this investigation is, do you believe
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  Speaker 1: that it would be appropriate of members of the committee
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  Speaker 1: to bring in witnesses, whether it's about you or another president?
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  Speaker 1: that have unfounded allegations regarding sexual claims of misconduct? Bill Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: that's not a decision for me to make. Question, as
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  Speaker 1: a recommendation in regards to avoiding trafficking, etc., and bringing
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  Speaker 1: justice for victims, would you make that recommendation to the committee? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: by his lawyer, just so I understand the question. You're
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  Speaker 1: saying if the witness has unfounded claims? Question, well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe that Sarah Ransom's claims about the president are founded.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that there are sex tapes with you,
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  Speaker 1: President Clinton. His lawyer, no, I'm just asking about your question.
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  Speaker 1: You're not asking if somebody with plausible claims could be
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  Speaker 1: brought in. You're asking if somebody with implausible unfounded claims?
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  Speaker 1: Question correct, because these claims were founded or found to
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  Speaker 1: be unfounded by investigators. Cheryl Mills, so you're asking his opinion? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because we're trying to figure out in regards to being
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  Speaker 1: able to further the investigation and whether or not we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be interviewing other individuals regarding sex trafficking. avoiding
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  Speaker 1: in the future. I know that you and your wife
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  Speaker 1: have both been big on the issue. So I'm asking you,
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  Speaker 1: do you think that it would be appropriate that this
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  Speaker 1: committee bring in someone like Sarah Ransom, who has unfounded
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  Speaker 1: claims that have been debunked in this investigation? It's a
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  Speaker 1: simple question. Cheryl Mills, he answered the question when you
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  Speaker 1: first asked it, and then he said it wasn't for
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  Speaker 1: him to make those decisions. Question, well, I'm asking for
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  Speaker 1: his recommendation to the committee and follow up. It's not
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  Speaker 1: a gotcha question. This is obviously a very serious investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, well, first of all, I recommend that you
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  Speaker 1: have on your staff a prosecutor who's had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of experience in dealing with the cases. Normally, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a good idea to bring in a witness that you
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  Speaker 1: know is lying. Question, okay, thank you for that. My
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  Speaker 1: last question for you is, are you familiar with anyone
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Adriana Ross? Answer, I don't think so. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how about Sarah Kellan? Answer, I don't think so. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Would you recommend that this committee bring in individuals that
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  Speaker 1: were listed as trafficking minors? They were listed co-conspirators and
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  Speaker 1: then given plea deals. Answer. I don't know enough about it,
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  Speaker 1: but I think you should do whatever you think will
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  Speaker 1: strengthen the ability of the U.S. not to have this
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  Speaker 1: happen again. Question. Okay. Is it possible in your opinion
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  Speaker 1: that you or your wife were targeted as a means
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  Speaker 1: of an intelligence gathering operation? Objection by the lawyer. Object
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  Speaker 1: to the form of question. Question picks back up by
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn. Again, object to the form of
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  Speaker 1: the question. No objection to if he knows that they
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  Speaker 1: were targeted. I believe that's what she asked. No, she
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  Speaker 1: said it's possible. Speaker 5 jumps in. No, she said
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  Speaker 1: it's possible. So she's asking him to speculate instead of
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  Speaker 1: asking him, does he know? Bill Clinton, I don't, but
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  Speaker 1: Jack Emmer jumps in. Okay, Bill Clinton, I don't. I'd
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  Speaker 1: sort of be surprised, but I don't. I don't know. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Chairman Comer, I think that yields my time.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you very much, President Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: for coming in. And I do understand that this has
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  Speaker 1: been politicized, but again, I'll state on the record, and
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  Speaker 1: I will state to this press, that I do not
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  Speaker 1: believe that Sarah Killen's claims against you were valid. Bill Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: right here, and then we're going to get back to
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