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Normally Podcast: Government Fraud Scandals, CNN’s Terror Coverage Controversy & The Screen Time Crisis in School · Normally

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Normally to show normal. It takes the women news gets weird.
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  Speaker 1: I am Mary Katherine Ham.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. Are you wrapping up your time
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  Speaker 2: at Hillsdale?
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  Speaker 3: Mary Catherine?
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  Speaker 1: I am. I'm going out to dinner one last time
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  Speaker 1: tonight and uh teaching my last class today. And I
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  Speaker 1: still have no tweed jackets with elbow patches, but I
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  Speaker 1: will work on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you gotta get it when you get back.
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  Speaker 3: To the coast.
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  Speaker 1: They're ever going to invite me back again. I really need.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: I was visited by Molly Hemingway came to my lecture.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so nice.
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  Speaker 1: That was really nice. And I had a line in
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  Speaker 1: my speech, not knowing that she would be there, that
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: was a bit of a shout out to you and her,
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: because I said, it's important to surround yourself with people
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  Speaker 1: who will test you on your beliefs and your outfuot choices.
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  Speaker 1: And I happen to have a group of Mauthy broads
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  Speaker 1: who are my friends, who will not let me give
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  Speaker 1: me a pass on everything, and most of them have
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  Speaker 1: been fellows here.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, maud abroad's for the wind.
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  Speaker 1: It's important, all right, Let's.
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  Speaker 3: Get into it. What is going on in the news.
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  Speaker 2: You know, again, we're not talking you Ron in this
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  Speaker 2: episode because things are just keep on keeping on. I
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  Speaker 2: saw news that we're ahead of schedule, which not clear
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  Speaker 2: what that means, but but glad to know we're ahead
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  Speaker 2: of schedule, better than being behind schedule.
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  Speaker 3: But we will update the normally.
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  Speaker 2: Listeners when we hear of any breaking news or potential
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  Speaker 2: news or stories developing there that are different from the
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  Speaker 2: day to day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But meanwhile, on the home front, we have lots
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  Speaker 1: and lots of fraud, Carol. I know that Vice President
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  Speaker 1: Jade Vance has been put in charge of sort of
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  Speaker 1: like an overarching fraud fraud busting project Frauds and the
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  Speaker 1: frauds are and it seems like it's needed. I mean, I,
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  Speaker 1: as somebody who's skeptical of what government does with our money,
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  Speaker 1: even I think I didn't imagine the immense ridiculousness that
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  Speaker 1: comes with, particularly in the Biden era, handing out millions
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  Speaker 1: and billions and then but simultaneously cutting the verification for
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: these processes, and so you just end up with piles
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: of money going to utter nonsense. A couple examples from
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  Speaker 1: just this week we have this is a Wall Street
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  Speaker 1: journal piece about an information super highway to nowhere. It
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  Speaker 1: was a a DC based saying where they go looking
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  Speaker 1: for this money? They say they took They took two
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  Speaker 1: hours looking from address to address because DC had asked
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  Speaker 1: a government agency for four million dollars to connect fifty
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  Speaker 1: five unserved locations. So a couple people get their boots
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  Speaker 1: on and they go walking around look at these addresses,
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  Speaker 1: and they find the unserved sites that DC wanted taxpayers
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  Speaker 1: to subsidize for four million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Among them were a shed along some train tracks, an
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  Speaker 1: open field, a Catholic University fieldhouse, a Pepco utility facility
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: that's our power company in the area, construction trailer next
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: to visible fiber. And after they did this review, this
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  Speaker 1: little group of lawmakers DC said, uh, okay, maybe actually
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  Speaker 1: we had zero things that needed right.
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  Speaker 2: Like yeah, shout out to Ted Cruz who get to
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  Speaker 2: mention here. In twenty twenty three, he found dozens of
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  Speaker 2: DC's supposedly unserved locations were inside the National Zoo.
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  Speaker 1: So just amazing stuff. And this is Aril Ross wrote this.
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  Speaker 1: She works for the National Telecommunications and Information Administration inside
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Commerce, and they sniffed this out and
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  Speaker 1: did the shoe leather work that sometimes reporters have been
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  Speaker 1: known to do in the past, right in back in history,
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: not in this case. But that's just one story. We
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  Speaker 1: have another one from the Wall Street Journal. Again, this
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  Speaker 1: is about the Boom and autism therapy, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: medicaid fraud. So listen to this. And I don't think
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  Speaker 1: this one might not even technically qualify as fraud because
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  Speaker 1: the perpetrator here is just openly saying this is what
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  Speaker 1: I did. Here we go. When Megan Mitchell first launched
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  Speaker 1: her autism therapy business in twenty nineteen, she took aim
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  Speaker 1: at an unlikely source of profit, Indiana's tax payer funded
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  Speaker 1: Medicaid program, the public insurance system for the poor. The
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  Speaker 1: bet paid off in twenty twenty three. The state paid
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell's company, piece by piece Autism Centers twenty nine million
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  Speaker 1: to provide therapy to just eighty four parent patients, about
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: three hundred and forty thousand dollars a child. According to
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  Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal analysis, That amount surpassed what Indiana
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  Speaker 1: Medicaid typically spends in a year treating a diagnosed one
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  Speaker 1: cancer patient, or covering a year of nursing home care
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  Speaker 1: piece by piece, became one of Medicaid's most expensive providers.
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  Speaker 1: And she bought herself like three homes right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, as she's buying these and they know, they point
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  Speaker 2: out a two point five million dollar home in Florida
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  Speaker 2: Santa Belle Island and six hundred thousand dollars waterfront house
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  Speaker 2: on the typical New River, Indiana, Like, how is I
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  Speaker 2: mean she must be aware she's committing fraud.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she should make about it, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's like, I didn't break any of the rules.
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  Speaker 1: And truly that might be the case, because what happened
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  Speaker 1: is that in a lot of these programs, democrats insisted
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  Speaker 1: there'd be no rules.
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  Speaker 3: Right, She's just like the smartest person alive.
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  Speaker 1: And it should be embarrassing because this money is taken
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  Speaker 1: from families who probably have trouble getting their children treated
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  Speaker 1: for the various things that they need their children treated for,
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  Speaker 1: while this woman's making off with three hundred and forty
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  Speaker 1: k per kid.
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  Speaker 2: Right right. One of the common on the tweets about
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  Speaker 2: it comes from a KK bird and she writes thirty
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  Speaker 2: to forty hours a week of ABA therapy. No way,
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  Speaker 2: my kid was lucky. If you sat for it was
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  Speaker 2: approved for an hour or two a week. It's either
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  Speaker 2: a fake therapy or babysitting scam. Absolute fraud. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: sounds bra delicious, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and like the problem is you hit a point
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  Speaker 1: with this stuff. I was talking to a friend earlier
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  Speaker 1: today about you know, the future of careers and AI
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  Speaker 1: and economic issues and stuff, and she's like, you want
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  Speaker 1: to touch back in a couple hours and like, brainstorm
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  Speaker 1: some ways to do the fraud because it seems like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing the fraud. And eventually
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  Speaker 1: people do think, well, this whole process is so fraudulent,
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  Speaker 1: why am I not getting my slice of this pop?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can imagine the average taxpayer just being like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for working a normal job and paying
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  Speaker 2: my taxes and not committing fraud. I think after the
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: Somali daycare fraud, I heard a lot of that on
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  Speaker 2: the Internet where people were just like, am I the
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  Speaker 2: last person working?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It feels that way sometimes, or it feels like,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, if you wanted to start your own
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  Speaker 1: practice or medicaid Medicaid funded thing or your own practice
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  Speaker 1: or something that worked outside of government. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: without any subsidies. The state would give you such a
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  Speaker 1: hard time, right, like she can't just help and start
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: a daycare. But it turns out it's real easy as
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  Speaker 1: long as you don't follow any of the laws. CBS
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  Speaker 1: is also doing some work out in California where they
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  Speaker 1: found a hospice fraud in la. This is the reporter
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  Speaker 1: there saying, at age sixty nine, len Iyani is a
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  Speaker 1: pickleball whiz, zipping from dinks to drives energetically. When she
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  Speaker 1: suffered an injury on the court two years ago, she
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  Speaker 1: sought physical therapy and was surprised to learn her Medicare
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  Speaker 1: insurance wouldn't cover it. She was, according to Medicare records,
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  Speaker 1: dying and in hospice. Someone had taken her identity. It
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  Speaker 1: was making money regularly off of this woman who's outliving
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  Speaker 1: a life. We're paying double for this person. And by
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: the way, all the illegal immigration makes identity theft and
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  Speaker 1: all of these things so much worse because the Left
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to deal with any of that crime, right either.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, and this comes out of CBS News, and
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  Speaker 2: it's it's interesting because would the old CBS pre Barrier
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  Speaker 2: wise had done anything like this. Obviously, this fraud is
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: being committed in California. I think they would be protecting
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  Speaker 2: Gavin Newsome and not reporting on this, so bind changes
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  Speaker 2: come me too.
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  Speaker 1: And in general, reporters think that government money is government money.
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  Speaker 1: They do a lot of left leaning reporters do not
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  Speaker 1: recognize it as your money, right, so they're just like,
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  Speaker 1: who really cares? Who needs to check on this? I
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  Speaker 1: would note that they found eighty nine hospice companies were
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  Speaker 1: registered to a single building and Van Nuys. You can't
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  Speaker 1: have hospice services for eighty nine people and van Nis.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, this is designed when they do
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  Speaker 1: it for autism and hospice, those are vulnerable populations on purpose,
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  Speaker 1: so that the people running off with this money and
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  Speaker 1: the people facilitating them running off with this money can go.
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  Speaker 1: How dare you come after the dying and the disabled children?
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  Speaker 1: That's right, and that's what's happening, because that's not who
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  Speaker 1: these people are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely on the story. On the tweet from this story,
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  Speaker 2: John Bachmann from Newsmax, Our friend John writes to the
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  Speaker 2: California Governor and governor Press Office, accounting any comment. You're
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: so worried about our troops getting lobster and steak. You
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  Speaker 2: embarrass yourself daily because there is a story right now
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  Speaker 2: about the amount of money that our military spends on
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  Speaker 2: things like lobster or steak for our military troops.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like special occasion dinners for deployed.
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  Speaker 2: I'm perfectly okay with that, and I don't see any
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  Speaker 2: evidence of fraud there. I think that the idea that
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  Speaker 2: we can't splurge on meals for our active duty member
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  Speaker 2: military members is insanity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, it's worth pointing out that,
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  Speaker 1: unlike in the Biden administration Christy Nome, at least one
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  Speaker 1: person has been demoted slash disciplined in some way for
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  Speaker 1: having misspent money. This happened in his first term too.
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  Speaker 1: I believe a Zinke was out for doing similar in
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  Speaker 1: another maybe a DHS guy at one point. I've always
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  Speaker 1: appreciated that Trump can fire people. Biden's mistake was never
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  Speaker 1: firing anyone for doing anything. And yet often the misspending
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  Speaker 1: of money by actual officials is pales in comparison to
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  Speaker 1: these massive fraud operations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you said you were surprised. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like Russian from Brooklyn. I'm not that surprised. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I'm always like, please know Russian names and these stories.
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  Speaker 2: And by that I don't mean Russian from Russia, I
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: mean ex Soviets who live in America. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think that these broad scams have been so prevalent for
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  Speaker 2: so long that really the story here is that they're
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  Speaker 2: being uncovered and stopped now, and I'd love to see
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  Speaker 2: that continue.
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  Speaker 3: I really I had hope.
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  Speaker 2: In DOGE and that kind of thing, and of course
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  Speaker 2: government spending went up even despite DOGE, So now my
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  Speaker 2: hope is broadbusting.
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  Speaker 3: Really, that's the only thing we have left.
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  Speaker 1: The Medicaid story comes from a data release from DOGE,
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  Speaker 1: so that is just an issue of having enough enterprising
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  Speaker 1: numbers people to go through the Medicaid info. So I
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  Speaker 1: think we'll be seeing more from that. And it did
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  Speaker 1: originate from DOGE. So getting to the bottom of this
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: stuff is sometimes a slow process, and it turns out
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: and maybe we should all be inspired to put on
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: our boots and walk around and be like, what is
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  Speaker 1: this address again? That is getting all my money?
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  Speaker 3: Oh man?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I would say just tell my Twitter
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  Speaker 2: followers like what to do, and they'll they'll they'll go
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  Speaker 2: do it because they are investigative reporters.
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  Speaker 3: Those people. I have a story.
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  Speaker 2: I may have told it on here before, but one
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  Speaker 2: time I was in Texas and I didn't tell my
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: followers that I was in Texas and I posted a
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  Speaker 2: tray of barbecue. Didn't say anything except I kind of
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: jokingly said, like Brooklyn Barbecue, Like somebody nailed not just
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: the barbecue place, but like the dish that I ordered,
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: it was. It was wild. Yeah. I was like, Okay,
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't do this anymore.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be careful.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you got some non Brooklyn barbecue.
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: Hey, Brooklyn barbecue is not bad.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Except for that one notorious picture, which was right, y'all
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: didn't say that's an old that's an old meme.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: Basically inside Twitter joke. But Brooklyn Barbecue, if you happen
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  Speaker 2: to be in Brooklyn and wanting some barbecue, hometown and
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: red Hook.
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  Speaker 1: Is legit nice. Just by the way, can I just
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  Speaker 1: wint out that I thought somebody had this genius idea
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  Speaker 1: and I can't even tell you who it is right now,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to say the genius idea. There's a
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: there's a two dudes who are running around New York
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: City alphabetically trying to have food from every single nation
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  Speaker 1: on our own. That's cool and it's so fun. They
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  Speaker 1: just go to these tiny little places. So I believe
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: in New York. I believe that New York can produce
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: Southern food.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm glad you pointed.
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  Speaker 1: Us to the right place.
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  Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a short break and
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  Speaker 2: be right back with more normally. We are back on normally,
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  Speaker 2: where CNN has been just painting itself in glory since
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  Speaker 2: the attempted terrorist attack in New York City on Saturday.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: We talked about various media outlets miscovering You know, I
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: can't even call it miscovering right because they weren't doing
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  Speaker 2: it accidentally. This is on purpose covering the attack by
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  Speaker 2: two young Muslim men on anti is Islam protesters. This
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  Speaker 2: attack has now been portrayed as somehow on Zoram'm Donnie
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  Speaker 2: the mayor of New York City and his wife, and
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  Speaker 2: not on the people who would actually was targeted to
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  Speaker 2: and not from these two young Muslim men who have
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  Speaker 2: affinity for Isis. So yesterday on Tuesday, CNN tweeted a
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  Speaker 2: story where this is how the tweet went Two Pennsylvania
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: could have been a normal day enjoying the city during
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: abnormally warm weather. But in less than an hour, their
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  Speaker 2: lives would drastically change as the pair would be arrested
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  Speaker 2: but throwing homemade bombs during an anti Muslim protest outside
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  Speaker 2: of Mayor Zora.
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  Speaker 3: Ma'm Donnie's home. Here's what we know so far.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it obfuscates what happened in such a deep
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  Speaker 2: way that I go back to the.
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  Speaker 3: Point I made on our show on.
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday, which is, this is the kind of thing that
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  Speaker 2: leads people to conspiracy theory. They see blaytant lies and
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: they start not to believe anything. And I understand that
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  Speaker 2: this path, this is where it comes from, and CNN
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  Speaker 2: really needs to be held accountable. However, of course they
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: won't be, and they haven't been, and lead us into
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: the Abbe Phillips story that relates what Mary.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Kathy Benson and I call this anti journalism. Like your
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: object here is to tell your audience the opposite of
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: what happened, because you don't like the thing that happened,
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  Speaker 1: and Abby Phillip was engaged in that on her show
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  Speaker 1: in uh the is it Primetime?
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  Speaker 3: Last night?
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Here's Abby Phillip.
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  Speaker 4: Two Republicans say Muslims don't belong here after an attempted
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: terror attack against New York's Mayor zor On Mamdanie and
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  Speaker 4: the House Speaker Mike Johnson says nothing really to condemn
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  Speaker 4: those comments.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, man, number one focus is already Islamophobia,
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  Speaker 1: right from Mumdannie and from Abby Phillip on the news.
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  Speaker 1: So we've already turned where the story is over of
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  Speaker 1: the actual homegrown terrorism. We're not going to address that.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to dress help people react to the terrorism,
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  Speaker 1: and the people that we don't like, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: punish them for reacting in bad ways. But we're the
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  Speaker 1: bomb throwing. There's sort of a side issue for her.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mom Donnie's house is not the target. American
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  Speaker 1: protesters saying that they don't like Islam were the target.
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  Speaker 1: Now that speech is protected, and they weren't doing anything violent.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: You may think they're being jerks, but they weren't doing
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: anything violent. Yeah, and this makes people watching that show
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: think the opposite of what happened happened. The proximity to
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Gracie mansion is because the anti Islam protest was happening
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: outside Gracie Mansion.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's done on purpose to cover what happened. Abby
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  Speaker 2: Philip took to Twitter today to apologize or what she said.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: She says she read it off a teleprompter, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean you tweeted that. The fact that she didn't
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  Speaker 2: notice it until the next day and issues a correction
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  Speaker 2: online and not on.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Air, that's the whole ballgame to me, Like, is she.
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  Speaker 2: Going to get on the air tonight and say I'm
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: sorry I made a mistake. But how did that kind
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: of mistake get made? How does that get into the teleprompter?
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  Speaker 2: How do you just read that and not think it
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  Speaker 2: over and not say this is not what happened.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: How do you not come back and say that was
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: a mistake right away. Yes, it's all kind of a
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: big tell.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that she is reading prompter. This
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: is a tease. It is not necessarily the anchor's job
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to fact check every tease. But I would suggest if
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the words are going to come out of your mouth,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you need to not ron Burgundy it and you need
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to be aware of what's happening. The problem is that
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: at every step of the way, each person involved in
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: this process, writing the prompter, checking it, sending it to her,
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  Speaker 1: her reading it. All of them have systematically missing fled
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: themselves right about what happened on this day. And the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: fact that nobody in her circle during commercial break was like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: do you know what you just said? Right? No one
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: did that. You know who did do that is Joe Borelli. Yeah,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the conservative sitting on set who has to correct her?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: And I used to play this role at CNN a lot,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: because everyone at the table agrees with each other and
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't know certain things, and so then you have to
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: be like, actually, on a Navarro, who is inverting this incident?
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  Speaker 1: What happened is these guys were not attacking mom Donnie.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: They were attacking these protesters.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: An Navarro, by the way, seems super out of it
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  Speaker 2: on this clip. I feel like, you're too nice to
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: say anything like this, but I'm just going to say it.
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  Speaker 3: She seems a little drunk.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: She's like slurring and yelling at Joe Borelli, and she's like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I believe may mum Donnie was raised Muslim, Like it's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: just all unrelated, and she's saying that Finally, Republicans are
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: talking about anti Islamic rhetoric because of this attack. Like again, ma'am,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: it's the rhetoric is not the problem here.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: The bombs being thrown are the problem here.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I really think the bombs are the problem. We should
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: also do a quick flashback of Abby Philip talking to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Joy Read about what she believes her role as a
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: newscaster is.
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  Speaker 4: Conservatives are living in a completely different information world, absolutely
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: and liberals, and breaking that down needs to be done
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  Speaker 4: because when you don't ever even hear the facts, it's
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: hard to even know that you're wrong. And that happens
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  Speaker 4: a lot. I think that one time that that person
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: brings up something that is debunked and false and I
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: debunk it at the table might be the very first
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  Speaker 4: time that someone out there has heard an alternative point
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: of view.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like she could all things opposite, because
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: what happened at that table is that Joe Borelli was
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the one person debunking the thing and the rest of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: them hadn't heard it right or we're just willfully lying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and again, whatever you think of conservative media,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: we know what the liberals are saying.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: We know they need yeah, right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: We are fully aware of what the other side believes.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: We are fully aware of all their positions.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: We take extra care to get the actual facts right
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: because if we get the fact wrong or completely dismissed,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: it's just I mean again, liberal privilege like this just
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't exist on our side.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Well, even though there are people who are bad actors
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: on both sides, our ability or our incidental oh running
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: into liberal thought is just off the charts, Like it
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: happens all the time. It's the world that you live in.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: If you're consuming news, you have to go out of
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: your way to get alternative viewpoints, not Abby Pillip's viewpoint.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: That one is everywhere, so we just hear it all
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the time. They do not. But she seems to think,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: with this blind spot that she has on joy Reads show,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that she's the one who's the arbiter. I hope she
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't hon air apology. She may do a correction on this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: We'll what do you think she will?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about this on our next episode.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go with no.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna say no, Okay, I'll tak credibility on
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the line here, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And I hope you're right I hope she does,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: because that's the right thing to do.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: And I hope she does the right thing.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a short break and
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: come right back with Maura normally.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Alrighty, this is a bit of a now it can
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: be told right and definitely we're still mad bro about
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: too much technology in the classroom. The New York Times
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: did a feature iPads in kindergarten YouTube on breaks the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: school screen time battle, and what you find out in
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  Speaker 1: the article is that some places the battle has been lost.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: The battle has been lost, and why are we surprised
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: by this? By the way, the entire education public education
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: system told you in twenty twenty to twenty twenty three
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that it was not just something worth doing for survival,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but good for your kids to be online listening to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: their teacher in a zoom for six to eight hours
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a day. That's what they do. It was a lie,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and now we have this. This is an anecdote from
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the story. A few months before her daughter started kindergarten,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Claire Benois saw a Facebook post that stunned her. Another
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: family with an incoming kindergartener was wondering if it was
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: true that children in the Croton Harmon School District, forty
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: miles north of New York City, receive iPads when they
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: start school. Their parents confirm that during school, kindergarteners often
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: use iPads to play games and watch television shows and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: YouTube videos. School administrators assured her that I've had time
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: would be limited to fifteen minutes a day, but once
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: school started, her daughter suddenly knew jingles from the diaper
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and car commercials that would play before YouTube videos she
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: saw in the classroom. Other parents talk about limiting their
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: screen time at home and working really hard to do it,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and then finding out their kids are on for hours
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a day at school.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's tough.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I remember during the pandemic where my kids suddenly knew commercials.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: They'd be like, in this company, we believe, you know,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And they'd be like, we're a car company.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: But we have values, you know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're like, where did you get that? Right?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That, you know. Every time I'm asked to talk about
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: cell phone bands and schools, I say, it's a good start,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: because that's what it is. And the thing is that
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I you know, in a perfect world, we would have
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: mechanisms by which we would limit screen in time use
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: and not just take it away like my sixteen year
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: old daughter school, her school head banned has banned cell phones.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: She says that one of the things her and her
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: friends used to do is like snap a picture of
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: each other when they would see each other across campus,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and now they can't do that anymore. Little cute things
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: have been lost. And know, her and her friends are
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: not super screen time teenagers, so they just feel like
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: they've been punished because other people are playing video games
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: all through school. I get that, and it does suck.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: But in lieu of having policies that are you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: sane and limit you kind of have to take it
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: away completely. And what we have now is that they've
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: taken away the phones, but people in classes, the kids
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: are on laptops or tablets and they're playing games, they're
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: watching videos, they're having chats, they're fully having you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: conversations with their friends on various chat programs. What have
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: we really accomplished by taking away the phones, Like now
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the kids don't have access to it between classes, but
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: if they have screens in classes, it really doesn't do
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that much to limit their actual screen time. I don't
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: know how we walk this back. I think you're right
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: that the battle has been lost.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And in some places for sure, but because part of
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it is that, well, parents got sold a lie, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: then a lot of them during the pandemic kind of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: had to lean on devices. They had to work at home.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And I get it, but you got to pull out
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of the dive as a parent. They are sabotaging you
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: at school. You need to take that to your school board.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: You need to make noise about this. And with your kids,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you need to say no to them. At home. You
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: need to say no to them. A lot of a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: lot of parents are like, well it would be really
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: hard to say no. Yeah, but you have to.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: It's really hard, Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Hate said, even beyond the phone problem, as you
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: note that there was some charts showing that the drop
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: off and ability to read and have attention span for
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: a long TEX starts dropping as soon as ed tech
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: is introduced into the classroom. And I can understand for
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a short time being like, this is the new tool.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: We must use the new tool. Sure, but if the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: new tool is making things worse, you need to abandon
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the new tool and you need to go back to basics.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And I would just point out also my friend Karen Vates,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: who covers literacy, notes that in places like Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: guess what they use in classes not at Yeah, they
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: use paper, they use full books. They are tech free
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: zones for teaching reading for the most part. And it
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: turns out that that's what makes your brain work.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, going back to basics is what it's all about.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And you know, there's also this thing on Twitter where
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: people are always like, oh, look what was taken from us?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And I got it into a conversation with Matt Walsh
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the other day where he was saying, like, he posted
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a picture of some kid riding his bike at like dusk,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, this no longer exists.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: And I was like, that could act?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Should we be my kid, like with the bad haircut
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and all this is, this could be my child on
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: his bike at dusk?
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I like, it does exist. It's outside my house.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And he commented back to me that while Okay, even
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: if you limit screen time in your house, the other
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: kids don't. Else just say, if you get your kids
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: outside and playing, other kids will join.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: That's how it works. That's how it's always worked.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: You go outside and you start playing, and other kids
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: see you and they start playing, and yeah, maybe they're more.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Screen time kids than they used to be.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: My kid, you know, my younger son referred to one
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: of his friends as an indoor kid. That kid, that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: kid's an indoor kid. But they've always been indoor kids.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: They've always been indoor kids who didn't want to be
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: outside with the rest of the gang. I think that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you can make the changes in your own house and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you can watch it flourish in your neighborhood.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: It's completely possible.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I agree, And I think the thing that many people
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: might be missing is that you have to be more
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: intentional about it than you were in the past.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: You could, you.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Could count on the community to perhaps be passively. The
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: default is that everyone's outside and playing. Maybe that's not
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the default now, And maybe your kids are the ones
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: who go out and play. This is what ours do.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: They go out and play, and we limit the amount
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: of indoor time they get to do at other people's houses.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: We're not just going to mooch snacks and screen time
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: elsewhere right right, what we're doing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Sas Okay, they move, they can mooch the snacks, they
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: go to my neighbor's house.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: They eat all the snacks, knock on the door say
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: can Johnny come out to play? And if Johnny doesn't
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: want to come it to play, you go to the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: next house and find another kid. But it has I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: have found that a lot of kids end up outside
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: when you have that as the.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Environment, right, be the leader, make it happen.
• 28:42
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• 28:43
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