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182: How to build a profitable business without working more hours · Online Business Uncovered: Simple Strategies for Female Entrepreneurs

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to Online Business to Uncovered.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is episode 182, and in today's episode, we're going to be talking about how to build a profitable business without working more hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's jump right in and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Online Business to Uncovered, the show that lives to live on what it really takes to turn your brilliance into digital products, passive income, and time freedom.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Karen, an online business strategist, course creation expert, and your go-to for building a business that works for you and not the other way around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to another episode of Online Business Uncovered.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Karen, and I really do appreciate you hitting that play button to listen to today's episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, today I am joined by Katherine Rowe, who is an accountant, and we're going to be having a really important conversation about something that I think every business owner needs to understand, and that is profitability.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it's really easy to look at how much money's coming in and assume that growth means that you're doing well, and in many cases it is, but the reality is if your costs are increasing and you're working more hours and the business is demanding more of you, are you actually being profitable and are you building a sustainable business that is going to look after you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I suspect not.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's something Catherine and I talk about in this episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's dive into this conversation because we covered a lot of great points, and I think you're going to get a lot from our chat.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's dive in and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I have the lovely Catherine Rowe, who is a chartered accountant.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, Catherine is all the way from Louisiana in the States, so we're absolutely thrilled that you're going to be joining us in this year's summit.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Catherine, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would you like to start just by introducing yourself to listeners?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am an accountant, but I also have branched off since you know I got the entrepreneur bug into business efficiency and uh, you know, being able to best organize your business to make the most of it without essentially having it kill you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for me, I like to take the approach of you know setting boundaries, you know, setting limitations and really honing in on why did you want to start a business in the first place and pair that with tangible information, like what comes from your numbers, and really use all of that to be able to put together the best plan for how to move forward, how to grow, and be the best that you can be for yourself and everyone around you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: I say I think the numbers when it comes to running a business and even growing a business are paramount.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I one of the challenges that I think many um entrepreneurs, micro business owners face is that because there's so much to do in their business with um the marketing and the the delivery of the services and and all of that stuff, often the numbers can kind of come last, can't they?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that something that you've experienced um with your clients where they've come to you and they're at a certain point in their business, but they just don't know what those numbers are because it's not been uh it's not been a focus up until that point.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of times when people want to start a business, they have a great passion for something.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's really great to have, and it can be very easy to get wrapped up in that and just try to pull everything together after the fact, trying to get you know all the necessary things in place, whether it's legal or financial, to be able to string it all together into something usable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yes, accounting and you know, finances can be in the last of that sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's why I always love it when new business owners, or not even yet, they're just about to start a business.
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  SPEAKER_00: They first come and they are thinking, what professionals do I need in my corner to help me out when I'm going through this?
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it's a it's a matter of, you know, some people think that maybe they're at the very start of a business and they may not be able to afford it yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Making a connection and building a relationship before you even have a need is free.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't, it doesn't cost much to make those initial outreaches and have names and phone numbers that you can call when you do get to that point.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's very important for people to understand that don't wait.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not going to be some crazy expense that you can't handle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think an accountant, like I think everyone that has a business needs an accountant or or at least a bookkeeper in their corner.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because no matter how much you try and stay on top of things, when you're busy and you're trying to fight all the fires and you're trying to find new clients and convert those clients, and then you get paid, and then you've got all this other stuff going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Often it's the numbers, like to say, that that accountancy um stuff that can end up sort of falling by the wayside, um, and and then people get behind.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I agree with you, I think when I look back, so I've been in business 10 years, and I don't have many regrets, if I'm honest, it's been an incredible journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, if I was to say what one thing would I have changed, it's that I got an accountant on board from day one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because the moment you start trading, the moment you start earning money, that all needs to be done in a way that that kind of um supports the growth of your business.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like it's one of these things that you know, hindsight's great, and that's where experience comes in, because you you you know, the the value of an accountant is is priceless, um, because they're that that that's the partner you want to really support your business.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when people don't know that, they it's like, oh I don't need an accountant, I'm a sole trader, or I'm not earning VAT yet, you know, I'm not charging VAT, so I don't need and it's that that kind of sort of misinformation almost that they don't believe they need it until they get to a certain point, by which case it can often be further along when actually it would it would have been really handy to have had them at the start.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so so I yeah, I know from my own experience that that that's uh probably one of the regrets that I may have, you know, in terms of you know getting the right person on board very early on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so with what you do, um obviously you you work with lots of different companies, is that right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You're not sector specific or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you have a do you have a specific type of business that that that's kind of like your sweet spot, or or is it just quite broad?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I work with a lot of small businesses, especially service-based businesses, um, you know, like medical professionals, um, engineers, um, also nonprofits.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's been pretty big lately for us.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: And and the reason why I've tried to start picking up a lot more nonprofits is because I feel, you know, kind of like I'm helping someone out more because they have, you know, a service-based mission.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but really, um, we love all small businesses.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's um, I guess that's the thing, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's you can um work with lots of different companies and and I suppose getting that insight into how they perform and what they're up to, and because you get to see that data, don't you, of of exactly what's going on in their business.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what's one of the biggest mistakes that you see um with businesses when it comes to their finances and and and you know their accounts?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we've already talked about how you know people wait too long to get an accountant.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, the biggest mistake I see is when people think that they can be their accounting professional and do it themselves, um, which is a similar problem, but also different, all in the same.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because whereas before you have no help, now you might be at a place where you have a mess and you need someone to clean up a mess, and then that's when it actually costs you more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I suppose the danger of AI now, and and just bringing that into it, is that um AI kind of almost makes it possible to kind of be guided to do things, and I can imagine if you've got somebody trying to do their own accounts and trying to file corporation accounts and things like that, it wouldn't even bother.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would honestly like um yeah, because I can imagine it the mess that people can make, but but have you found that with the the rollout of AI that maybe more people are trying to do their own own accounts?
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  SPEAKER_00: Not so much more because of AI, and actually AI, you know, if you use it just like any other tool, it's essentially that a tool to use.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a replacement for anything, it can save you time, but you have to put in the right input in order to get what you need out of it, and you have to remember also, it's pulling from anything online.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anything that's ever been done is going into that database and kind of can distort um proper information.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of times people will get half-right answers if they're seeking answers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, on our end, uh on the accounting professional side, we use it for you know, kind of organization and analysis of data we already have.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know what we're looking for, and there's a lot of times that I have to constantly refine it and say, nope, that's not what I wanted, and try again because you have to know what it is that you're trying to get at the end of the day, um, and not use it to give you answers like it it's some all-knowing person.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess that data when when we talk about sort of growing businesses and and kind of scaling, um the data that you pull in through the the work that you're doing can often give you an insight into um what you can do going forward, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um because sometimes I think with with accountancy it's it's more um sort of past look in, you know, like you're um you're retrospectively looking back at something like how have I done the year?
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  SPEAKER_01: You've got the numbers, you've got the data about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But but in terms of scaling, that data can equally be useful as well, can't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: To to make predictions on how your business can grow going forward.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's one of the biggest, biggest points that that I have that I make all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: The very first step to anything with accounting is having accurate historical data.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is step one.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people don't realize that and think that is just what they need.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's just what they need to see how things are going, meet minimum regulation requirements, you know, anything, legal requirements to have the basics done.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's really truly just step one.
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  SPEAKER_00: The next step after having your historical data correct, knowing what you know, how you've been doing, the next step is what's next?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, to determine what's next, yes, it's great to have that historical data.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take that, make a projection for some time out, see, based on how things have been going, what does the future look like?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's step two.
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  SPEAKER_00: The next step beyond that is budgeting.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's saying, okay, this is what it's looking like.
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  SPEAKER_00: What can we do to make changes and plan for different scenarios?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's really where you want to be if you're growth-oriented.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to be going through all these stages to be able to get to that point where you can play the what if game.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so almost like you can you can model um, you know, how you're gonna do going forward, I suppose, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So obviously this summit, I do I want to touch upon the summit because um the people that are going to be attending are interested in obviously creating digital products and that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when it comes to um creating digital products and then the way that the accounts are filed for those, could you could you give the audience an insight into what that looks like?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, you know, because because I mean, is it the same as services?
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  SPEAKER_01: It does the way they um do accounts around product-based offerings, does it vary?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um it would be great to sort of get clarity around that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so having digital products, that's you know, the next big thing that that everyone's into now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, if you are a you know service provider, yeah, you could have a great idea, something you could package up into a course and you know, sell and be able to scale that way without you know having you know more of your time taken up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, the question is, you know, how do you want to do it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to start a completely new entity, business entity for that, so that it's completely separated?
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  SPEAKER_00: And and there's no necessarily right answer for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's just a preference, but those are some of the beginning steps that anybody needs to, you know, think about first and foremost, and then you know, what would be the regulatory and you know tax implications of doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and of course, have an accounting professional work with you to really get an understanding before making the decision.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely want to have some insight before making decision and already being in it.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know sort of my own personal sort of a journey when I was predominantly a service-based provider.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I had a branding studio and and a lot of my income was generated from project-based work.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a limited business, and then I then decided because the nature of my business and the way that I was selling had changed, um, it that that structure didn't quite fit with what my intentions were going forward.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I made changes on that, but I I had to take advice on it, and I and I the advice I got was so important because we think we know what the answers are sometimes, and sometimes we don't even realize there's other implications that we need to really think about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, so whether it's service-based or or product-based or whatever, then then yeah, I would you know highly recommend that that somebody speaks to say somebody like you about that, because like say then you've got all of the tax and everything that goes with it.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um so with what you do, obviously what we're talking about is create more freedom in our businesses by being able to create scalable offers that that people can sell beyond selling their time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, when it comes to accounts, how can this create more freedom?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um a lot of times business owners think that revenue automatically means more freedom.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: However, more clients, more work does create more work and stress.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times, you know, you're thinking about that top line, you know, how do I get more in?
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  SPEAKER_00: Get more in, but ultimately you want to really focus on capacity and on the bottom line, the the profit, not just the revenue, and you know, see what is this taking?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: And am I are there any inefficiencies in here that can be sorted to where at the end of the day the take home amount that you have is more than it would have been, but without necessarily, you know, taking up all of your time, all of your life, and all of your energy.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's the thing, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's um, you know, when we start a business, often we arrive out of business because we're good at the thing that we do, and that's predominantly why people want to start a business because they want to deliver, you know, do somebody's accounts or they want to design for somebody or whatever.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it sort of becomes sort of 20% of maybe the overall kind of stuff that you've got to do.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: It often becomes the less because you've got the marketing and the networking and the you know, all the the finances and all of that stuff that goes into sort of running and growing a business.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: And and I guess the trade-off is do you want to sell your time um and or do you want to kind of create something once and utilise your time up front, but then build in other income streams that that you you can sort of earn from because you've done this work up front.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's it's just you know, I I sort of have this belief that I think probably 99.9% of business owners start a business because they they want some kind of freedom in their life, um, and that slowly sort of disappears as as they get busy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of bringing them back to really what's important and why they start the business in the first place, and and we which is why sort of I talk about the switch over from you know trading your time to to creating scalable offers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but I think you're absolutely right, it's about looking at you know your capacity and you know where you're spending your time and what you want to create from it and and all of that.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um tell tell us about your summit session.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I know you're gonna be delivering a very insightful session that I think people are gonna really enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my session is building a profitable business without burning out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the reason why this is so important is so many people think that businesses fail because they're not doing well.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And if a business failed, it's just, oh, they weren't doing well, they weren't making money, they weren't bringing revenue in.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of times businesses fail because they grow too quickly or they don't have a plan for it, and things just kind of start to explode in the process, and you know, different things fall apart and eventually can't operate anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we don't want that to happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one thing I'll cover is gonna be, you know, five different drivers for business.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's pricing, boundaries, systems, delegation, and capacity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And through going through each of these, um, we're gonna look at what the true you know message is here that your next stage of growth is going to be better design, not more hustle.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can only have so much of yourself to go around.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's only so much of you.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: And once you run out, what can you offer?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: So being able to use what you have, what your abilities are to the best.
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  SPEAKER_00: And not completely collapse.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that because it's really looking at the key key things that kind of will make a difference and bring people's awareness to stuff.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because sometimes I think unintentionally you get bogged down with all the things that that don't really move the needle.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like that busyness for the sake of being busyness, where actually drawing back their attention to what's the plan, what's the goal, where do you want to get to, and how are we going to make this happen in a way that's sustainable long-term for you without burning out.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: So as they move into creating a digital products, it's kind of knowing where that fits and what is achievable by that, but without going down that road of burning out and like I say, overreaching your capacity and stuff like that.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I love this because it's going to be something that I think will give people a lot of insight, but but also get them really thinking about about the things that are important.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm really excited about your session.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be great.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: So before we finish, I've got some quick fire round questions.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, just so that the audience can get to know you and um, you know, see see see where you're about, really.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um are you a coffee or tea drinker?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I will say coffee in the morning, tea in the afternoon.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Very nice, very you know, like probably 90%, 95% of everyone said coffee.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: My kind of I love my coffee, so uh yeah.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: I like to have both.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have uh chamomile in the evening, um, you know, sort of like before bed, but every other time honestly, I drink so much coffee, it's ridiculous.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what's one business book you think every entrepreneur should read?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: So this might seem a little bit too much, but I actually wrote a book um a couple years ago, No More 24-7.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the process that I went through and many other entrepreneurs who I interviewed of going from that, you know, startup overwhelmed, um, trying to do everything mindset to setting boundaries and efficiencies and becoming more profitable by working less and just becoming more efficient overall.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, nice.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Where can people buy this book?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Amazon.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's on Amazon.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, definitely.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's worth people checking out checking it out.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, amazing, well done, because uh you know, you know, it's a it's often a dream, isn't it, to write a book and and like you say, when you kind of bake in your experience as well, um, it sounds amazing.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: So um and we'll definitely have that on your speakers page so people can sort of check it out and uh go by as well.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: So so yeah.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um what's the one taller app that you just couldn't run your business without?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: I would say my calendar because I have so many different emails and different invites coming from different places that it's nice to have my Google calendar where I keep track of everything, whether it's an Outlook email or another Google account.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: I can see everything that's happening in my life and not be late or miss anything.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I have to agree.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: I have to agree.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was speaking to somebody um this week and they said that they still use paper diary, um, which I find really interesting because we're in such a digital age, but you're absolutely right.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just really, you know, like being able to kind of do everything digitally now um save so much time.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what's the one piece of business advice that has been the best you've ever received?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Just because you can does not mean you should.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: And in one sentence, what does building an online business for you mean?
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: For me, it's meant more flexibility, the ability to reach more people.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: I would say that's really the key.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Being able to reach more people because it frees up time and I can, you know, dedicate my time to actually, you know, doing work, doing analysis, making a difference, not worrying about the little administrative stuff, anything that can be automated and really be able to dedicate, you know, the time and energy that my clients really do need from me.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh uh, Kathleen, thank you so much for joining me today.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: This has been great.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm really excited about your session.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think that the uh the attendees of the summit are going to really enjoy it as well.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if you've enjoyed this conversation, then you're going to love the Online Business Growth Summit because this is just a small taste of what there is to come.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now, alongside today's guests, you'll be hearing from over 18 incredible experts covering everything from digital products to marketing to automation, sales, visibility, audience growth, and so much more.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's all designed to help you build income beyond selling your time.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you can register for free um by heading to the show notes.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the link is in the show notes, or it'll be in the bio.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and um, like I say, you can register free, or at the moment, you can upgrade to um VIP Access where you get lifetime access to all the recordings for from all the speakers, and at the moment it's only£27.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: So this will be going up to£197 near the event.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: So go grab your free ticket um now.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, thank you, Catherine.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've loved speaking to you, and thank you so much for coming on to the show.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: I really hope it's given you something to think about and perhaps inspired you to look at your business a little bit differently.
• 28:27
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• 28:33
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• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're ready to start building a business that gives you more freedom, then I would love to invite you to join me at the online business growth summit.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this summit is taking place on the 6th to the 8th of October online.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's completely free to attend, and it's going to bring together over 18 expert speakers who will be sharing practical strategies to help you create a business that you love, a business that truly supports your lifestyle.
• 29:11
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• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: I will be back next week with another episode, but until then, have a wonderful week.
• 29:26
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• 29:30
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• 29:54
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