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The Kenny Report | 27 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: I hope this program is not interrupted by blackouts. Our
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Speaker 2: national energy self harm has produced a power shortage just
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Speaker 2: because there's a mild hit wave in one state. More
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Speaker 2: scandalous revelations about how environmental activists funded by taxpayers exaggerate
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Speaker 2: and fabricate indigenous heritage claims to block developments to since
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Speaker 2: a namper jipper price joins me. Also outrage and disgrace
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Speaker 2: in the Senate as Senators Fatima Payman and Lydia Thorpe
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Speaker 2: attack Pauline Hansen, who'll join me live? Also the nuclear
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Speaker 2: debate and with the Wednesday wrangle? Do the inflation figures
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Speaker 2: mean that interest rate relief.
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Speaker 1: Is further away? Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: So it was pretty hot in parts of New South
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Speaker 2: Wales today and the Weather Bureau heat wave weather warning
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Speaker 2: in place, and the media went nuts as usual as
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Speaker 2: if this country hasn't seen hot weather before.
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Speaker 3: Sydney households are bracing for a third day of heat
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Speaker 3: wave and blackout warnings, while residents near Penrith feel the
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Speaker 3: burn with the local beach still closed.
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Speaker 2: Millions of Sydney residents are bracing for some of the
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Speaker 2: hottest spring weather in years, as the mercury saws towards
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Speaker 2: forty degrees.
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Speaker 3: If the heat wave warning is in place across eastern
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Speaker 3: New South Wales, we've temperatures set to soar up to
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Speaker 3: twelve degrees above average for spring. Good afternoon, we start
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Speaker 3: with the weather alert justin and have a look at
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Speaker 3: this heat wave warnings issued across the state. They're expected
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Speaker 3: to be so severe in the coming days there are
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Speaker 3: now concerns for our power grid.
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Speaker 1: We've got all the drama. Of course.
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Speaker 2: I even heard one expert today warning people to stay
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Speaker 2: in the shade and drink water if they're hot. I mean,
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Speaker 2: whoever would have thought of that? Hey, how on earth
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Speaker 2: did the rest of us survive before getting this sort
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Speaker 2: of genius advice.
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Speaker 1: It is all, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, a manifestation of global warming hysteria. It provides a
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Speaker 2: chance for the alarmist to pretend for a moment that
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Speaker 2: all their wild predictions have come true. But another result
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Speaker 2: of global warming hysteria is our rush to renewables and
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Speaker 2: our national energy self harm, forcing coal fired power out
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Speaker 2: and leaving a short of electricity just when we need
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Speaker 2: it to run our air conditioners. It's pretty amusing and
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Speaker 2: just a little infuriating actually to watch our politicians, the
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Speaker 2: same ones responsible for the energy mess, trying to blame
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Speaker 2: their failures on climate change.
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Speaker 4: When you've got a massive heat wave, you're going to
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Speaker 4: find pressure on energy systems.
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Speaker 5: This is reasonably early in spring to have, sorry, this
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Speaker 5: earlier in the year to have a series of days
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Speaker 5: well above thirty degrees.
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Speaker 6: But increasingly this will become the nature of Sydney summers and.
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Speaker 1: Obviously we have to adapt to that.
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Speaker 6: As a result of that, we've been notified by a
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Speaker 6: EMO that there are insufficient reserves in terms of generation
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Speaker 6: available over the coming day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's late spring, almost summer, and here we are again,
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Speaker 2: we're running short of power and their only advice is
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Speaker 2: us is for us to stop using electricity.
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Speaker 1: So these are the.
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Speaker 7: Type of things that people can do. They can keep
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Speaker 7: their blinds closed and their rooms cooler. As I've said,
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Speaker 7: solo's going gang buses at the moment. If you've got
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Speaker 7: air conditioning, go for it as hard as possible and
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Speaker 7: cool down the house before you get home tonight.
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Speaker 1: If you can.
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Speaker 7: We're asking that if you get home and you need
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Speaker 7: to use your air conditioning. That is totally fine. But
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Speaker 7: if you can turn it up a couple of degrees,
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Speaker 7: that makes a big difference in terms of demand. If
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Speaker 7: you're not in a room, you don't need to have
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Speaker 7: the light on. And if you can do the non
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Speaker 7: essential electricity use, wait until they use the dishwasher until
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Speaker 7: after eight tonight. If you can hold on too that washing,
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Speaker 7: to do it overnight or do it in the morning.
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Speaker 7: That's what we're asking people to do.
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Speaker 1: Every little bit helps, Good Lord, a first world nation.
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Speaker 2: Let me just provide the facts, the context that exposes
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Speaker 2: the duck shoving you're hearing from labor. Australia's peak energy
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Speaker 2: demand is always in the hotter months. It's always when
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Speaker 2: we need to run our air conditioners. That's not climate change,
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Speaker 2: that's our climate. We don't do a lot of winter
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Speaker 2: heating in this country, but when it's hot, we sure
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Speaker 2: do a lot of cooling.
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Speaker 1: That's why we buy air conditioners.
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Speaker 2: Not so we can be told not to cool our
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Speaker 2: rooms so much because our governments have destroyed our energy grid.
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Speaker 2: The whole point of our electricity grid is not to
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Speaker 2: have it cater for times of low demand.
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Speaker 1: The idea is that it.
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Speaker 2: Can reliably supply peak demand on days like today. That's
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Speaker 2: always been the case and the only thing that's changed
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Speaker 2: is our foolish and ideological rush to renewables.
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Speaker 1: But black out Bowen.
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Speaker 2: Instead of working out how he got his name, he
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Speaker 2: tries to blame the very power source that he's forcing out.
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Speaker 4: So it would be disingenious and dishonest to blame renewables,
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Speaker 4: mister speaker, when you have five units out, four of
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Speaker 4: them called members on two of them breakdowns. When you
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Speaker 4: consider we have not had a day in the last
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Speaker 4: eighteen months where there hasn't been a breakdown in a
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Speaker 4: coal fire power unit across the national energy.
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Speaker 2: Market, this is unbelievable. The bloke is completely deluded. This
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Speaker 2: is energy denial from Bowen. The reason coal fired power
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Speaker 2: stations have closed down around the country is because the
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Speaker 2: policies he pushes have been designed to force them out.
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Speaker 2: The reason new plants aren't being built and old plants
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Speaker 2: aren't spending money on refurbishments is because his policies are
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Speaker 2: forcing them to close. His push to renewables is forcing
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Speaker 2: them out. That's the whole point. And other politicians have
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Speaker 2: been so reckless that taxpayers are now paying hundreds of
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars extra to keep New South Wales's largest
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Speaker 2: coal fire generator at a rah Ring, keep that going
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Speaker 2: for two more years. Without it today, the blackouts would
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Speaker 2: have been everywhere. For most of today, About sixty percent
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Speaker 2: of the electricity right across the national market has come
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Speaker 2: from coal and gas, mainly coal.
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Speaker 1: Solar kicks in with ten percent or.
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Speaker 2: More in the afternoon, but around about this time of
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Speaker 2: the day, as the solar energy fades, we're left with
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels and the wing and a prayer of wind turbines,
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Speaker 2: unreliable wind, intermitted wind, all part of Labour's plan and
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Speaker 2: its failing good luck. I had a bit to say
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Speaker 2: about the ABC and its ideological crusades last night, using
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Speaker 2: the anti nuclear and pro renewables propaganda from Paul Barr
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Speaker 2: and Media Watch as the latest example. So it was
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Speaker 2: pretty amazing to see the ABC chair Kim Williams say
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Speaker 2: this at the National Press Club today.
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Speaker 8: We do not serve causes at the ABC. We serve
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Speaker 8: the truth. This is non negotiable. We will sometimes make mistakes,
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Speaker 8: but when we do we will acknowledge them, correct them
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Speaker 8: and redouble our efforts to avoid them in the future
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Speaker 8: as we have done in recent times.
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Speaker 2: That's simply not true. As I showed you last night,
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Speaker 2: media Watch is not interested in truth. It serves causes,
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Speaker 2: causes like climate alarmism, the impossible promise of a renewables
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Speaker 2: plus storage energy model, and the demonization of News Corp.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I mean, who could.
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Speaker 2: Seriously contend that the ABC had no agenda on the
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Speaker 2: voice or nuclear It just presented a misleading Four Corners
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Speaker 2: episode trying to debunk nuclear energy.
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Speaker 1: Apparently the rest of the world has got it wrong.
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Speaker 2: If the ABC is into truth, why has there been
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Speaker 2: no adequate.
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Speaker 1: Explanation or sanction for.
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Speaker 2: The appalling fake audio and misleading video edits that sought
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Speaker 2: to portray some of our soldiers as war criminals. And
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Speaker 2: if the ABC is interested in truth, how could it
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Speaker 2: possibly have produced what it called The Story of the Century,
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Speaker 2: a three part delusional deep dive into what was then
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Speaker 2: a Mad Russia collusion conspiracy theory which has now been
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Speaker 2: comprehensively debunked, but remains available online and uncorrected.
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Speaker 9: Hello, and welcome to Four Corners. Tonight we begin our
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Speaker 9: special three part investigation into the Story of the Century.
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Speaker 9: The election of US President Donald Trump and his ties
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Speaker 9: to Russia. The Kremlin's puppetmaster now has America dancing to
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Speaker 9: his discordant tune.
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Speaker 1: He couldn't have planned it better.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump's had a back to the White House. I
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Speaker 2: guess that was Putin's doing again?
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Speaker 1: Was it?
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Speaker 2: Stand by for another ABC special series? Not only has
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Speaker 2: the ABC failed to correct this or apologized for it,
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Speaker 2: but the journalists who compiled it. You saw her there,
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Speaker 2: Sarah Ferguson. She hosts their nightly national Current Affairs TV program,
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Speaker 2: and the ABC chair says they're all about truth and corrections.
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Speaker 2: And guess what the one point one billion dollars a
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Speaker 2: year that taxpayers.
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Speaker 1: Give to the ABC. Apparently that's not enough.
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Speaker 8: As our nation has become richer, our nation's broadcaster has
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Speaker 8: become much poorer. I fat was cut a long time ago.
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Speaker 8: The knife is now scraping the bone.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear, like Oliver, they've asked for more.
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Speaker 2: Well, there are reports that the total legal costs and
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Speaker 2: settlement of the war crime story set back the ABC
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Speaker 2: two million dollars. So perhaps if they stick to the truth,
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Speaker 2: they'll save some money. Look, Kim Williams is right on
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Speaker 2: some things today.
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Speaker 1: Facts do matter. The ABC should be objective and if.
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Speaker 2: It does represent the whole country, it'll play a valuable role.
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Speaker 2: But the more ideological it becomes, the more it gets wrong,
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Speaker 2: and the more it will be irrelevant. And there are
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Speaker 2: no signs that anything is changing because the staff run
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Speaker 2: the joint, the largely green left and inner city government paid.
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Speaker 2: Of course staff, they're in charge, and they don't reckon
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Speaker 2: it's your ABC or our ABC. They reckon it's their ABC.
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Speaker 2: Once again, we've had disgraceful scenes play out in the Senate,
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Speaker 2: which once upon a time was that genteel upper house
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Speaker 2: that stayed above the ugly Shenanigans of the House. Now
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Speaker 2: the Senate seems to be the place for political mavericks,
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Speaker 2: misfits and maniacs.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 10: The fact that you would say, just weeks ago to
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Speaker 10: Senator Berruki off back to Pakistan, you're not just vindictive,
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Speaker 10: mean nasty, you bring disgrace to the human race.
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Speaker 7: Lydia thought ripped up Hanson's motion and threw it in
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Speaker 7: her face before making her feelings known as she left
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Speaker 7: the chamber.
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Speaker 1: Extraordinary, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: The issue today was Pauline Hanson tabling documents that raise
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Speaker 2: questions about the eligibility of former Labor Senator now independent
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Speaker 2: Fatima Payman about her eligibility to sit in Parliament. Payman
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Speaker 2: was born in Afghanistan and came to Australia as a
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Speaker 2: young refugee. And as we know many politicians who were
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Speaker 2: found even unknowingly to hold dual citizenship well they had
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Speaker 2: to quit parliament in recent years and some of them
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Speaker 2: were then re elected.
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Speaker 11: The urgent investigation in the Senate Payment's eligibility to sit
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Speaker 11: in this Parliament under Section forty four. Australians deserve to
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Speaker 11: know that every member of this Chamber is eligible under
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Speaker 11: the Constitution, no exceptions. Senator payment situation through Uchair raises
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Speaker 11: serious concerns. If she had been elected during the citizenship
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Speaker 11: crisis of twenty sixteen seventeen, there is no doubt her
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Speaker 11: case would have been referred to the High Court to
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Speaker 11: review the.
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Speaker 2: Other Section forty four questions about payment are hardly novel.
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Speaker 2: Such careers have been made over many politicians from a
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Speaker 2: wide range of national backgrounds, but payment reckons focusing on
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Speaker 2: her is racist.
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Speaker 12: She is said, I believe we're in danger of being
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Speaker 12: swamped by Asians in her first speech. In nineteen ninety
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Speaker 12: eight policy speech, she's that aboriginality would no longer exist
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Speaker 12: under her party's policies. In another statement, she says, we're
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Speaker 12: bringing in people from South Africa at the moment, there's
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Speaker 12: a huge amount coming into Australia who have disease, they've
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Speaker 12: got AIDS.
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Speaker 13: If that is not racist, what is it? Oh it's
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Speaker 13: not racist. Oh, somebody bring the.
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Speaker 10: Dictionary because Santa Hanson does not know.
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Speaker 12: The definition of racism.
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Speaker 1: And on and on. It went. Ugly stuff, totally uncalled for.
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Speaker 2: But with this particular senate we better get used to it.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is the One Nation founder and leader,
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson. Thanks for joining us, Pauline. The heart of
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Speaker 2: the claim here from Fatiba Payment is that it's racist
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Speaker 2: to question her dual citizenship. Now, we've had so many
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Speaker 2: politicians knocked out in the past, from the Greens bloke
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Speaker 2: there in West Australia to Barnaby Joyce and whatever.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was ever about race. It was
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Speaker 1: about dual citizenship.
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Speaker 11: Right, exactly right, and Jackie Lamby, Malcolm Roberts from my party.
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Speaker 11: They all were affected by it in the National Party.
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Speaker 11: So everyone was affected by it. But you know, when
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Speaker 11: this was raised, her only defense for it was I'm
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Speaker 11: being racist instead of dealing with the real issue here.
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Speaker 11: And she weighed some documents and the Parliament. I tried
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Speaker 11: to table with the documents. They stopped me the grand Steed.
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Speaker 11: This was yesterday. Then I had to do it, try
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Speaker 11: it again today, which I was successful with it. She
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Speaker 11: wavehed papers round, saying that I have the paperwork here
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Speaker 11: and all the rest of it. And I said, well, tablet.
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Speaker 11: She refused to table it the documentation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with your point that it's not racist.
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Speaker 2: Every senator has to prove that they're eligible under Section
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Speaker 2: forty four if there are legitimate questions. But what about
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Speaker 2: this in the same way that it was really below
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Speaker 2: par that it was really, I suppose, ethically wrong to
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Speaker 2: challenge Josh Friedenberg because of the questions about his mother's
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Speaker 2: status coming to Australia as a refugee after the Holocaust.
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Speaker 2: Surely then it's below part to question fatom of payment
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Speaker 2: because she came from a Taliban controlled Afghanistan as a refugee.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it's going to be difficult to get all
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Speaker 2: the paperwork in order. Shouldn't she just be accepted as
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Speaker 2: a single citizen of Australia.
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Speaker 11: No, sorry, I disagree with you, because even in nineteen
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Speaker 11: ninety eight I actually had my center then elected to
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Speaker 11: Queensland had the Hill was challenging the High Court the
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Speaker 11: only one and therefore based on the fact she came
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Speaker 11: out with her parents as a child and she hadn't
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Speaker 11: renounced a British citizenship. So how ridiculous is this?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's different when you're coming out as a refugee
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Speaker 2: from a terrorist controlled country as compared from a country.
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Speaker 11: She only applied to the embassy here and they said, oh, well,
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Speaker 11: because the Taliban over there never even attempted to write
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Speaker 11: over there to get it to beart. Some my own
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Speaker 11: knowledge tell me if I'm different in this and then
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Speaker 11: this licit just signed off on it. The documents have
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Speaker 11: not been present correct and since then, what has she
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Speaker 11: done since it's settled down over there to actually do
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Speaker 11: everything in her efforts to renounce her citizenship with Afghanistan.
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Speaker 11: I'm not going to accept this, Chris, I'm sorry. They
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Speaker 11: said high stands for everyone else. It was me or
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Speaker 11: one of my meds of parliament. They would go after
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Speaker 11: me and wouldn't let up until they got me. So
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Speaker 11: I want everyone to be treated fairly.
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Speaker 2: They certainly would, but I would have thought in just
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Speaker 2: as it was with Josh Fredenberg, the refugee status has
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Speaker 2: to play a role here. I want to move on
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Speaker 2: because one of the ugly slurs that was thrown at
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Speaker 2: you today was that you were convicted of racism. The
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Speaker 2: reason people are able to say that is because of
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Speaker 2: that federal court finding against you when you were challenged
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Speaker 2: by Marine Ferruki, the Green Senator. I've got here in
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Speaker 2: my hands the paperwork of your appeal. You're appealing that decision,
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Speaker 2: and I've had a look through it quite a long
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Speaker 2: series of documents, but you're essentially appealing every part of
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Speaker 2: that judgment that the thing was fundamentally wrong because nothing
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Speaker 2: you said was about rape. It was all about an
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Speaker 2: immigrant complaining about the country. And then why not go
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Speaker 2: back to where you came from.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 11: So it's quite extensive. I think there's fourteen points on
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Speaker 11: the appeal where the judge urged in his decision making
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Speaker 11: and what he based it on. So therefore, you know,
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Speaker 11: we're appealing this in the High Court, which won't come
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Speaker 11: up before the court's still about August next year of
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Speaker 11: twenty twenty five, So we Chris, who knows where it's
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Speaker 11: going to go.
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Speaker 14: Huh.
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Speaker 11: All I can do is push forward with this. And
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Speaker 11: another thing is has said people, it's not about pulling hands.
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Speaker 11: I warned people that who's going to be next. Are
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Speaker 11: you aware that Peter Dutton has now been taken before
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Speaker 11: the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity the same thing under
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Speaker 11: aiding C.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's a similar thing.
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Speaker 2: This is why it's concerning because the one of the
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Speaker 2: key points I supposed to summarize your appeal is that
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Speaker 2: how can they talk about you focusing on someone's color
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Speaker 2: or their religion when you did not mention either their
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Speaker 2: color or their religion.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 11: And if you look at aiding C, it has it
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Speaker 11: doesn't come under religion as all. It's not even mentioned.
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Speaker 11: But the judge kept pursuing down that rabbit hole or
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Speaker 11: her defense. Barris kept heading down the rabbit hole about
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Speaker 11: Muslims had had nothing to do with it, and they
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Speaker 11: had to use that, even the evidence that she was
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Speaker 11: given from people that she's solicited to give up their
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Speaker 11: Affi Davids based on what their feelings were had nothing
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Speaker 11: to do with the whole thing. Was the whole sham.
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Speaker 11: As far as I'm concerned, that's why I've got to
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Speaker 11: fight it on behalf of these strange people for our
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Speaker 11: freedom of speech and freedom of opinion.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you're appealing it because it's going to
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Speaker 2: be a fascinating case.
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Speaker 1: So much.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Pauline, appreciate it. Their
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Speaker 2: senator to Pauline Ransom. There one nation leader joining us
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Speaker 2: live from Canberra. Where As you've seen, it was a
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Speaker 2: pretty fiery day in the Senate, pretty ugly day to
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Speaker 2: be frank. Now as we speak, there is a cease
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Speaker 2: fire in the Middle East between Israel and hez Balah
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Speaker 2: in place. It's set the last sixty days and then
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Speaker 2: lead the hope is to a permanent arrangement. Let's look
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Speaker 2: at what this really means. Of course, operate mainly out
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Speaker 2: of Lebanon, so this should bring peace to Lebanon, and
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Speaker 2: if it holds, it's going to allow one hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: or more Israelis to move back into northern Israel. They
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Speaker 2: fled from there over the past year as Hesbella's bombarded them,
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Speaker 2: and it's going to open up. They had then opened
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Speaker 2: up a new war against Israel, of course, within hours
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Speaker 2: of those Hummas atrosities in the south of Israel on
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Speaker 2: October the seventh last year, So for more than a
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Speaker 2: year it's been impossible for people to live in northern Israel.
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Speaker 2: Now this is a major victory now for Israel because
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Speaker 2: it's taken out most of the Hesbala leadership and reportedly
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Speaker 2: destroyed at least eighty percent of its rocket Arsenal. Hesbella
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Speaker 2: has now abandoned its pincer movement with Humas, while the
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Speaker 2: ceasefire is with the Shia terrorist outfit. Hesbela is of
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Speaker 2: course funded and controlled by Iran and tolerated by Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: and the US and France have been involved in negotiations.
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Speaker 2: So there are many unseen players here, and Israeli Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin nt Yahoo has made it clear that if
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Speaker 2: Hezbealah breaks this cease fire, it will pay a heavy price.
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Speaker 2: The war against Hamas in Gaza at the other end
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Speaker 2: of the tiny country of Israel continues, but the hope
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Speaker 2: must be that Hamas surrenders soon and releases almost one
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Speaker 2: hundred hostages. It still holds I want to show you
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Speaker 2: what Israel's ambassador to the United Nations has said. He
20:26
Speaker 2: said this to a Palestinian representative at the UN because
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Speaker 2: I want to show you this because it actually highlights
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Speaker 2: precisely how the Palestinian leadership continues to let its people down.
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Speaker 15: You are an expert of blaming Israel. For seventy seven
20:42
Speaker 15: years in this organization, you always said no and you
20:46
Speaker 15: blame Israel for everything. What I'm trying to offer you
20:50
Speaker 15: is future to discuss future for Palestinian and Gada. But
20:54
Speaker 15: in order for that to happen, you have to say no,
20:57
Speaker 15: not to Israel, to say no to Hamas. Once you
21:00
Speaker 15: will have the courage and the ability to say no
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Speaker 15: to Hamas, no to terrorism, you can speak about future
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Speaker 15: for Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about getting rid of Hamas. That's the number
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Speaker 2: one priority for the people of Gaza, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Let's now go to Alex Rivchin, the Executive Council of
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Speaker 2: Australian Jury joins me live in Sydney. Thanks for joining us, Alex.
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Speaker 2: Tell us about your sense of this ceasefire, how important
21:26
Speaker 2: it is and what are the chances that it can
21:29
Speaker 2: hold because it essentially puts back in place. A you
21:32
Speaker 2: and resolution has been around for more than a decade,
21:35
Speaker 2: and obviously his BLA has repeatedly breached.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: Look, I'm quietly optimistic about the prospects of peace holding,
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Speaker 16: and not because Hezbla has agreed to anything, not because
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Speaker 16: UN peace keepers will be back in southern Webinon, not
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Speaker 16: because of international assurances that Israel won't be attacked again.
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Speaker 16: I'm confident because of the deterrence that is Ro's mansterine state.
21:58
Speaker 16: They have unlike destroyed Hezbela's military capacity. They've killed their
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Speaker 16: top ten leaders, including Usrala, who is considered untouchable for
22:06
Speaker 16: about twenty years. They have done untold damage to the
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Speaker 16: morale and prestige with the Pajer attack and the guile
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Speaker 16: and ingenuity that went into the planning of that attack.
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Speaker 16: They've sent a very strong signal to their patrons in Iran.
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Speaker 16: They've taken down the smuggling roots of weapons from Iran
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Speaker 16: to Syria and then into Lebanon. So Hezbela's ability to
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Speaker 16: wage war has been severely degraded. But more than that,
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Speaker 16: they've been taught a very powerful lesson. If you mess
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Speaker 16: with Israel, you're going to suffer bitterly for it, and that,
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Speaker 16: far more so than any international assurances or peacekeepers, is
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Speaker 16: what I think gives this ceasefire prospect of holding long term.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think you're right.
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Speaker 2: It's clear this has come about because of Israeli strength,
22:45
Speaker 2: not because of diplomacy. In fact, it's a bit of
22:47
Speaker 2: diplomatic guile. I think to call it a ceasefire, it's
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Speaker 2: closer to a Hezbala surrender, which is exactly what Israel
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Speaker 2: needed and wants. But the question then is what about
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Speaker 2: southern Israel and the fight against Gaza and fight against
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Speaker 2: Hamas in Gaza. Does this increase the chances of Hammas
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Speaker 2: surrendering and returning the hostages because it's left alone now
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Speaker 2: without the pincer movement of Hezbala in the north.
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Speaker 16: I don't think so. Hummas has been also degraded severely.
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Speaker 16: They no longer exist as a coherent fighting force made
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Speaker 16: up of battalions. It's basically clans and small gorilla outfits
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Speaker 16: that wage attacks and then flee away from Israeli fires.
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Speaker 16: So in terms of central planning, coordination, that sort of thing,
23:34
Speaker 16: it doesn't really exist anymore. So I don't think they'll
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Speaker 16: be looking at what's happened in the North and be
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Speaker 16: compelled to surrender. On that basis, I think they'll fight
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Speaker 16: it out to the death, but it does mean that
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Speaker 16: Israel can redirect its resources back into the south, back
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Speaker 16: into that front and the water, finally defeat Hamas and
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Speaker 16: rescue the remaining hostages. Because you have to remember that
23:52
Speaker 16: Israel's army is predominantly a civilian civil army. It's made
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Speaker 16: up predominantly of reservists who are workers, professionals, were called
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Speaker 16: up to serve their country and it's taken an immense
24:03
Speaker 16: toll on families and on the economy as well. So
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Speaker 16: the fact that the Northern Front, which could have been
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Speaker 16: perilous for a long long time, has now been freed
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Speaker 16: up will be a huge relief to much of the country.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alex, I appreciate Alex. Sir Rich and.
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Speaker 2: They're from the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
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Speaker 1: We've got so much to crame in tonight.
24:21
Speaker 2: We've got to keep moving because after the break and
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Speaker 2: we're going to catch up with teenage nuclear campaigner Will Shackle.
24:26
Speaker 2: He's touring regional Queensland promoting nuclear energy. Keen to find
24:30
Speaker 2: out what the local reaction is. Let's get into the
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Speaker 2: nuclear debate. We need to because we're sure of energy
24:39
Speaker 2: in this country right at the moment. You've got to
24:40
Speaker 2: admire the passion of eighteen year old Will Shackle. You've
24:43
Speaker 2: met him on this program many times, a high school
24:45
Speaker 2: student who founded Nuclear for Australia to promote a sensible,
24:49
Speaker 2: mature debate around the benefits of nuclear power. He's on
24:53
Speaker 2: the road speaking with local communities in Queensland. Last night
24:56
Speaker 2: it was in Gladstone, and tonight he's going to speak
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Speaker 2: with the community in Billa Wheeler. He joins me now
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Speaker 2: live from Billa Wheeler. Thanks for joining us. Will tell
25:06
Speaker 2: us about the reception you got in Gladstone. That's a
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Speaker 2: big energy in industrial town. Are they willing to countenance
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Speaker 2: the idea of nuclear energy or even a nuclear reactor
25:17
Speaker 2: in their neighborhood.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, there was a lot of people at our
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Speaker 17: event last night, but we've got a lot of positive feedback.
25:23
Speaker 17: There was some mixed receptions. We had some anti nuclear
25:26
Speaker 17: people there. We've also had a lot of pro nuclear
25:28
Speaker 17: people there. But I think the important thing, Chris was
25:30
Speaker 17: a majority of them were pro nuclear in a community
25:33
Speaker 17: like Gladsden, which is a huge industrial hub. They require reliable,
25:37
Speaker 17: abundant energy and as we try to deal with climate
25:41
Speaker 17: change increasingly, they are also looking to clean energy. So
25:45
Speaker 17: nuclear is a really, really good solution for them. So
25:47
Speaker 17: we're really glad to have our experts Ady Keith and
25:50
Speaker 17: Robert up here in Gladston. We're going to do it
25:53
Speaker 17: again tonight here in Bill A. Wheeler, sharing information and
25:56
Speaker 17: allowing the community to get their questions answered about nuclear energy.
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Speaker 2: As you know, in New South Wales and therefore the
26:01
Speaker 2: whole national electricity grid is short on supplies as we
26:05
Speaker 2: speak because the warm weather increases demand. The Energy Minister
26:09
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen has been trying to blame this on coal generators,
26:13
Speaker 2: saying that a couple of them are offline at the moment.
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Speaker 1: They're the problem.
26:16
Speaker 2: Surely the problem is we don't have enough dispatchable generation.
26:20
Speaker 1: This is exactly what a nuclear program would be aiming
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Speaker 1: to solve.
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Speaker 17: Well, look, nuclear is one of the most reliable energy sources.
26:27
Speaker 17: When you look at the capacity factor of the nuclear
26:29
Speaker 17: plane in the US, they can be online producing full
26:32
Speaker 17: power around ninety three percent of the time. That's even
26:35
Speaker 17: more than coal, and that's significantly more than renewables like
26:38
Speaker 17: solar or wind, which are dependent on the weather. So
26:41
Speaker 17: having a firm baseload source of electricity like nuclear power,
26:44
Speaker 17: I think we'd really help mitigate some of these incidents
26:47
Speaker 17: in Australia. With such a lucky country here in Australia,
26:50
Speaker 17: we shouldn't have to have the risk of blackouts.
26:52
Speaker 1: We are a developed nation.
26:54
Speaker 17: This is simply not good enough and Chris Bowen needs
26:57
Speaker 17: to be cannibal for it and consider lifting the band
26:59
Speaker 17: on nuclear energy.
27:00
Speaker 1: Now, will you're eighteen? Now?
27:02
Speaker 2: I think you started this organization when you are still sixteen, right?
27:05
Speaker 1: You finish your year.
27:06
Speaker 2: Twelve today, you got your exams out of the way
27:09
Speaker 2: and graduation before hitting the road on this, so I
27:12
Speaker 2: just admire energy.
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Speaker 1: What are you planning over the next year or so?
27:15
Speaker 1: What are you hoping to do at UNI and the like?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, look, I'm going to plan to go down to
27:21
Speaker 17: A and U, so hopefully I can do some interesting
27:23
Speaker 17: things there. But the priority right now is making sure
27:26
Speaker 17: that we can get this nuclear debate over the line,
27:29
Speaker 17: making sure that the ban is lifted. It's never been
27:31
Speaker 17: a more important time for us to be able to
27:33
Speaker 17: lift the ban on nuclear energy ris the rest of
27:36
Speaker 17: the world is going nuclear fifty countries for the first
27:38
Speaker 17: time and looking at nuclear energy some of the biggest
27:40
Speaker 17: companies in the world. So it's really important that we
27:43
Speaker 17: win this debate right now and for that reason I'd
27:45
Speaker 17: encourage people to join our more than seventy seven thousand
27:48
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27:51
Speaker 1: Good on you will all power to your arm Happy travels.
27:54
Speaker 1: Thanks gre Great.
27:55
Speaker 2: To catch up with Will Shackle there as he talks
27:57
Speaker 2: up nuclear as you just heard is in Billa Wheeler
28:00
Speaker 2: in western Queensland. One of the amazing young bloke lookout
28:03
Speaker 2: a and U is coming your way now after the
28:06
Speaker 2: break just into an AVERAGEVA price joins me on this
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Speaker 2: failed bit discover the gas project on the Northern Territories coastline.
28:14
Speaker 2: Dodgy Indigenous cultural claims surface again. The weaponization of indigenous
28:23
Speaker 2: cultural heritage to fight against developments is an increasing problem
28:27
Speaker 2: and another stark example has been exposed. Not only is
28:31
Speaker 2: indigenous cultural heritage weaponized, it's sometimes exaggerated and even fabricated.
28:36
Speaker 2: In other words, it's distorted and prostituted by activists looking
28:41
Speaker 2: to block developments.
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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about the gold.
28:44
Speaker 2: Mine being blocked near Blaney in the central western New
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Speaker 2: South Wales because of a federal government ban based on
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Speaker 2: indigenous cultural heritage claims, including those related to the blue
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Speaker 2: banded b claims that the main Indigenous land council in
28:59
Speaker 2: the area disagree with and allegers have been fabricated. The
29:03
Speaker 2: minor opponents were helped by the partly government funded Environmental
29:08
Speaker 2: Defender's Office and the whole matter is now being pursued
29:10
Speaker 2: in the courts by the mining company Regis and politically
29:14
Speaker 2: by the Indigenous land councils who are concerned.
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Speaker 1: About this ruling.
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Speaker 2: But another troubling case has come to light surrounding the
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Speaker 2: proposed five billion dollars Santos Barossa gas field development off
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory coast. Work was halted initially last year
29:30
Speaker 2: before indigenous claims were overruled in the federal court. The
29:34
Speaker 2: Australian newspaper has revealed court documents today that show the
29:39
Speaker 2: extent to which non indigenous activists and advisors and the
29:43
Speaker 2: Environmental Defender's Office again collaborated to present indigenous cultural heritage
29:49
Speaker 2: claims against the project rather than news lines and circles
29:54
Speaker 2: to indicate the location of spiritual or ancestral places, says
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Speaker 2: marine geoscientist Mick O'Leary in an email, I use some
30:03
Speaker 2: imagery instead, just wanted to make sure it would be
30:06
Speaker 2: culturally appropriate.
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Speaker 1: Now.
30:08
Speaker 2: In response to that email, Indigenous consultant at the Edo
30:12
Speaker 2: and Tonya Burke says that looks awesome, except Umpag. This
30:17
Speaker 2: is the mythical figure needs to look more like the
30:20
Speaker 2: actual serpent.
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Speaker 1: I'll send you some picks.
30:24
Speaker 2: In another email, O'Leary says it might look better if
30:27
Speaker 2: they use a traditional drawing of a crocodile, and Burke responds,
30:32
Speaker 2: if the umpag is round like that, do you think
30:35
Speaker 2: it could be interpreted that it's only in that space
30:37
Speaker 2: within the circle, whereas if it was in the water
30:40
Speaker 2: stretched out, it would look like it's a part of
30:43
Speaker 2: the whole lake. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just
30:46
Speaker 2: throwing it out there, and so it goes. This is
30:50
Speaker 2: an indigenous cultural heritage claim being made up as they
30:54
Speaker 2: go along. And the scary point is that it worked
30:57
Speaker 2: for a while before Santos's court action and had it overturned.
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Speaker 2: I asked Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Senator just sent
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Speaker 2: to Namba Jimba Price about these concerning revelations.
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Speaker 14: Look, it's it's deeply concerning. It's not just deeply concerning,
31:14
Speaker 14: but it's deeply, deeply insulting. And you know, in terms
31:18
Speaker 14: of original culture, probably one of the worst ways that
31:22
Speaker 14: you can disrespect, you know, original people in this way
31:27
Speaker 14: just by completely and utterly fabricating dreaming stories to suit
31:34
Speaker 14: an agenda of environmentalists and Greens activists. I mean, these
31:42
Speaker 14: are the individuals that purport to be the champions for
31:45
Speaker 14: Indigenous Australians in this country. Yet the Greens, with the
31:49
Speaker 14: support of the government, this is this is their kind
31:52
Speaker 14: of conduct.
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Speaker 1: It's just outrageous. We saw the Blamey gold mine there.
31:57
Speaker 2: I know you tried to overturn that band in parliam
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Speaker 2: There'll be legal action now.
32:01
Speaker 1: But it's Indigenous people other indigenous.
32:04
Speaker 2: Groups who are arcing up about this, calling out what
32:07
Speaker 2: they say is a fabricated cultural heritage claim because they
32:10
Speaker 2: want their heritage respected, not used or exaggerated or indeed.
32:17
Speaker 1: Fabricated to prevent developments.
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Speaker 14: That's exactly right, Chris. And this is the problem with
32:25
Speaker 14: political correctness, grandstanding, virtue signaling. We've got to this stage
32:31
Speaker 14: in our country where you know, original activists and Greens
32:35
Speaker 14: activists silence dissenters by calling them names, by calling them racist.
32:41
Speaker 14: But what it's done is it's provided an environment where
32:44
Speaker 14: it encourages this sort of conduct and for Indigenous Australians
32:48
Speaker 14: and our culture to be exploited for these underlying agendas.
32:53
Speaker 14: You know, the people of Orange the Orange Land Council
32:57
Speaker 14: have spoken. Tania Plipasek doesn't want to listen to them.
33:01
Speaker 14: We've put to the government to defund the Environmental Defender's office.
33:05
Speaker 14: They're not listening to a thing. They're encouraging and supporting
33:08
Speaker 14: this kind of conduct.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the problem.
33:10
Speaker 2: You've got to have proper assessment of these claims and
33:13
Speaker 2: proper analysis and interrogation of them by governments in the end. Now,
33:17
Speaker 2: my background on this goes all the way back to
33:19
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties and the so called secret Women's Business
33:23
Speaker 2: of High Marsh Island. I help expose that a broad
33:25
Speaker 2: on a Royal commission that exposed the fabrication and the
33:28
Speaker 2: bridge ended up being built. But you think politicians would learn,
33:32
Speaker 2: But it seems here with the Blaney gold Mine and
33:34
Speaker 2: even with this Barossa gas project. While legal avenues have
33:38
Speaker 2: overturned it, where have governments been in terms of making
33:41
Speaker 2: sure these claims are properly assessed.
33:46
Speaker 14: Well, they have utterly shirked their responsibility to ensure that
33:50
Speaker 14: the proper processes have been undertaken in order for these
33:56
Speaker 14: projects to go ahead, and as a result of that,
34:00
Speaker 14: projects have been stalled, they've been held up, they've been
34:02
Speaker 14: brought to an end. So it's not just the Indigenous
34:05
Speaker 14: people from this area who want economic independence, but it
34:09
Speaker 14: is the broader community that suffers as a result. It
34:13
Speaker 14: is our economy that suffers as a result. I mean,
34:16
Speaker 14: you know, Blainey gold Mine is one thing, and it's
34:18
Speaker 14: terrible what's occurred there. But in the Northern Territory, in
34:20
Speaker 14: the b Barosa project, we are talking about the worst
34:23
Speaker 14: economy in the country. We're talking about the most marginalized
34:26
Speaker 14: Indigenous Australians and this government has absolutely not taken any responsibility.
34:32
Speaker 14: In fact, they've done a complete disservice to those people
34:36
Speaker 14: and two Australians in making sure that the proper processes
34:41
Speaker 14: you know, have have been followed.
34:45
Speaker 13: They need to go. They need to go at the
34:46
Speaker 13: next federal election.
34:47
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, well, I've come to that conclusion myself
34:51
Speaker 2: on a whole range of issues, and this is a
34:52
Speaker 2: key one.
34:53
Speaker 1: Now.
34:53
Speaker 2: One of the really concerning aspects when it comes to
34:56
Speaker 2: the Blainey gold Mine and the gas project is the
34:59
Speaker 2: involved of the Environment Defender's Office. This is an organization,
35:04
Speaker 2: effectively that exists to try and block projects, to try
35:07
Speaker 2: and block economic advancement.
35:09
Speaker 1: Yet it's funded by the federal government. Surely, if the.
35:12
Speaker 2: Coalition returns to power, you'll scrap federal funding from this
35:16
Speaker 2: organization and demand that it plays by the rules.
35:21
Speaker 14: Oh, look, absolutely, will we scrap funding for the Environmental
35:26
Speaker 14: Defenders Office? I mean, I think we need to be
35:30
Speaker 14: considering applying penalties to this kind of conduct going forward.
35:36
Speaker 14: The Labor Government, in allowing to continue to fund this organization,
35:42
Speaker 14: is effectively supporting this exploitative behavior of our most marginalized
35:48
Speaker 14: Indigenous Australians, Which doesn't surprise me about Labor because they're
35:52
Speaker 14: not interested in ensuring that marginalized Indigenous Australians can get
35:55
Speaker 14: off welfare and be job creators in their own right,
35:58
Speaker 14: be entrepreneurs in their own right and utilize our own
36:01
Speaker 14: land to that capacity. No, they want to keep marginalized
36:06
Speaker 14: indigenous astraliers dependent on them to maintain power for themselves.
36:12
Speaker 2: It's an ongoing national scandal and thanks for talking to
36:15
Speaker 2: us about it.
36:15
Speaker 1: Just into Nampa, jimper Price, thanks for having me. Yeah,
36:21
Speaker 1: what a disgrace.
36:22
Speaker 2: And part of this is your tax dollars being used
36:25
Speaker 2: funneled into activism to stop developments. Your tax dollars used
36:29
Speaker 2: against the national interest. I'll have another example of that
36:32
Speaker 2: happening later in the program. After the break, we're going
36:35
Speaker 2: to have the Wednesday Wrangle. I'll show you some words
36:37
Speaker 2: of wisdom from Kamala Harras and Sharon Stone. We'll also
36:41
Speaker 2: talk about the alb and Easy government and the fact
36:43
Speaker 2: that we won't see an interest rate cut anytime soon.
36:50
Speaker 2: Let's get into the Wednesday Wrangle with late Debate host
36:55
Speaker 2: Liz Stora.
36:55
Speaker 1: On the desk.
36:56
Speaker 2: Within the day, Liz and Justin Smith, the columnists, broadcaster.
36:59
Speaker 1: And author joining us from Melbourne.
37:01
Speaker 2: Let's start off on the Albanesi government. New surveys showing
37:06
Speaker 2: they're out of touch. Most people think they're out of
37:08
Speaker 2: touched and the country's heading in the wrong direction and
37:11
Speaker 2: today bad news for them. Justin these inflation figures suggest
37:14
Speaker 2: that there won't.
37:15
Speaker 1: Be an interest rate cup before the election.
37:17
Speaker 2: Which I think is the one little bit of hope
37:19
Speaker 2: that a mortgage holders want, but also that they politically
37:23
Speaker 2: were hoping for.
37:25
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think he would have been absolutely praying for it.
37:28
Speaker 18: I think Anthony Albanesi has been praying for a win.
37:31
Speaker 13: Now.
37:32
Speaker 18: There's a really good there's a really good piece by
37:35
Speaker 18: political author George Meglagenus in the Quarterly Essay who he
37:40
Speaker 18: sligs off at both sides and suggests that maybe a
37:43
Speaker 18: minority government might be the best thing. But he says
37:45
Speaker 18: this about Anthony Albanesi is that he's acting more like
37:48
Speaker 18: a premier than a prime minister. He hasn't sort of
37:52
Speaker 18: found that voice, and I thought you that rings true,
37:54
Speaker 18: doesn't it? Because he doesn't just we haven't There hasn't
37:59
Speaker 18: been that leadership. Haven't seen that selling of something big,
38:02
Speaker 18: that big vision. We've had a little win over here
38:04
Speaker 18: maybe and we've had a big loss over there, but
38:07
Speaker 18: we've never sort of seen that big vision ever really
38:10
Speaker 18: kick in and maybe paying for that now, well.
38:12
Speaker 2: That's been the Federal Labour's problem since Kevin Rudd. They've
38:15
Speaker 2: behaved like state politicians just feeding the media cycle looking
38:19
Speaker 2: to get a little win. Heel in no national vision
38:22
Speaker 2: for the country or our place in the world. There's
38:24
Speaker 2: a you know, I think George Megala genus as usuals
38:27
Speaker 2: late to the party on that one. Kevin Rudd started,
38:30
Speaker 2: But I mean, what's Albo's hopeful for here? Because the
38:33
Speaker 2: economy ain't going to do it for him. No.
38:35
Speaker 19: And we've seen the RBA take him on over this before,
38:38
Speaker 19: namely more charmers than Albo himself. But these guys have
38:42
Speaker 19: been at loggerheads about this for ages. Charmer's basically making
38:46
Speaker 19: promises that he has no business making, and the RBA
38:50
Speaker 19: checks notes and says, where the heck.
38:52
Speaker 13: Are you getting this from?
38:53
Speaker 19: Why are you painting people such a rosy picture of
38:57
Speaker 19: the future of interest rates, inflation, et cetera and so
39:02
Speaker 19: on based on what now?
39:04
Speaker 13: Yesterday Chalmers faces the nation.
39:06
Speaker 19: And says, oh, we've got a surplus.
39:08
Speaker 13: Isn't this wonderful?
39:09
Speaker 19: It doesn't matter to people who are struggling to afford
39:13
Speaker 19: just the necessities of life. You getting up there and
39:16
Speaker 19: saying well, actually we're back in black everything's looking pretty
39:19
Speaker 19: pretty in our neck of the woods. It's like, oh, well,
39:22
Speaker 19: that's great for you and what's it thanks to Oh,
39:25
Speaker 19: the very sectors that they on a daily basis do
39:29
Speaker 19: their darndas to crush out of existence.
39:31
Speaker 2: Are really struggling and they're just not getting They're not
39:34
Speaker 2: changing the direction of the political scene at all. Have
39:38
Speaker 2: a look at this in question time today. Both of them,
39:41
Speaker 2: that's Charmers and alban EASi.
39:42
Speaker 1: All they are able to.
39:43
Speaker 2: Say is yeah, we know it's tough, but it was
39:45
Speaker 2: worse with the other mob.
39:46
Speaker 1: Have a look this side of the house. Acknowledges the
39:50
Speaker 1: pressures that people are under.
39:51
Speaker 2: Acknowledges that when we came to office people were going backwards.
39:56
Speaker 20: These have been giving at times. We understand that people
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Speaker 20: are doing it tough. The difference between the government and
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Speaker 20: the opposition is that we've taken measures to assist people.
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Speaker 20: Those opposite had just said nope, nope to everything.
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Speaker 2: Justin I just think they're in deep strife because they're
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Speaker 2: heading to I mean, they said we were going backwards
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Speaker 2: under the last government, but we've gone backwards harder, further
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Speaker 2: faster now, but worse than we have even during Kenning's recession.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't see.
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Speaker 1: I really think there could be a change of government
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Speaker 1: it's that bad.
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Speaker 2: I know that it's a difficult to ask seventeen or
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Speaker 2: more seats for the coalition and you've got the tills there,
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Speaker 2: but labor just keep sinking lower and lower. They don't
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Speaker 2: seem to even have formulated a view of their government
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Speaker 2: and the country and where we.
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Speaker 1: Ought to be going.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean there's two things that what Anthony Alberanezi
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Speaker 18: said there that are going to stop working very soon.
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Speaker 1: Actually no, no, let me go back on that.
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Speaker 18: They already have stopped working for all politicians, and that
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Speaker 18: is to constantly say that people are doing it tough.
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Speaker 18: There needs to be a big end after that, and
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Speaker 18: to stop talking about the opposition for government, state governments
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Speaker 18: and either side of politics, to stop talking about the position.
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Speaker 18: Plenty of time coming up for that when we have
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Speaker 18: a knockdown, drag out campaign. And look, I think the
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Speaker 18: only hope for people is that we have a really
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Speaker 18: good campaign. I mean, both sides going hard, coming up
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Speaker 18: with things that are actually going to make a change,
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Speaker 18: proper debate, respectful debate, going after each other. I think
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Speaker 18: peters for something like that, and we're not going to
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Speaker 18: get it.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to get it from either side. Of politics.
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Speaker 18: And it's a shame because it would be what we
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Speaker 18: really need here.
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Speaker 2: I think, I don't think Justin must have been just
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Speaker 2: Justin's just fresh from the dentist and he's still on
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Speaker 2: the gas.
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Speaker 1: I reckon. I've got to move on because there's some
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Speaker 1: other stuff I'm going to squeeze in. I want to
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Speaker 1: show you what happened outside a great smile.
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Speaker 2: Here's what happened outside Parliament House in Canberra today was
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Speaker 2: the climate nutters again.
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Speaker 1: Now now, now.
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Speaker 2: Look at least a dozen protests arrested and these are
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Speaker 2: the same crowd that blocked the Port of Newcastle over
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Speaker 2: the weekend.
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Speaker 1: But have a look at this from Sydney City Council.
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Speaker 2: They've voted to put rate payers money into this organization.
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Speaker 21: That council approved a donation of twenty two thousand dollars
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Speaker 21: from the twenty four to twenty five General Contingency Fund
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Speaker 21: to be made directly to Rising Tired to do with
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Speaker 21: whatever they so choose.
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Speaker 1: Liz, what are we doing?
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Speaker 2: We've got taxpayers funding the Environmental Defenders Office to block
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Speaker 2: developments and now a rate payers of Sydney not even
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Speaker 2: being asked about it.
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Speaker 1: They're funding Rising tide.
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Speaker 19: And this was a protest in Newcastle were like one
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Speaker 19: hundred and seventy people were arrested. So basically you've got
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Speaker 19: the city council fund illegal activities by rising time money
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Speaker 19: another city to get him out on break them out
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Speaker 19: so that they can reoffend.
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Speaker 13: But yeah, in another city.
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Speaker 19: So the rate payers of Sydney are paying for something
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Speaker 19: that will in no way touch on their quality of
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Speaker 19: life whatsoever. This has got to be unprecedented where you
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Speaker 19: have a council funding things an organization that has broken
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Speaker 19: state law.
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Speaker 1: Sabotizing another.
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Speaker 2: In the feudal times, there would be a war between
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Speaker 2: Newcastle and Sydney.
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Speaker 19: The rate payers should take to the serations.
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Speaker 2: Rate payers should not be funding this stuff. I'll get
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Speaker 2: your thoughts in a moment, justin before we do, I'll
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Speaker 2: share Clover Moore's thoughts. She's the Sydney Lord Mayor.
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Speaker 22: The actions are an indication of the terrible distress people
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Speaker 22: are feeling about the inaction, you know, and and they're
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Speaker 22: already seeing the you know beginning. It's happening here now
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Speaker 22: and it's happening around the world now. The things that
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Speaker 22: were warned about at the beginning of this century are
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Speaker 22: now happening because of the inaction of governments, and how
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Speaker 22: shameful is it to be the world's largest coal exporter
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Speaker 22: at a time of accelerating global warming. It is about
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Speaker 22: the planet, and I think young people taking that sort
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Speaker 22: of action is indicative of their desperation about the future.
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Speaker 22: So I understand it.
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Speaker 2: There we go unbelievable stuff in the Sydney City Council.
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Speaker 2: When's the Melbourne City Council going to get involved in
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Speaker 2: stuffing up New South Wales?
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Speaker 1: Justin we're going to start a war?
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Speaker 18: What was first between Sydney and Newcastle, now between Sydney
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Speaker 18: and Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Hey, are I going to say this? Though?
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Speaker 18: I think the rate pays. If they're unhappy, should be
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Speaker 18: walking at it. But they have voted time and time
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Speaker 18: again for Clover Moore to do that very thing. Now
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Speaker 18: they knew what they were going to get. So if
44:54
Speaker 18: you're going to vote for a Trump, you'll get a Trump.
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Speaker 18: If you're going to vote for Alberanesi, you getting Albernesi.
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Speaker 18: They have voted time and time and time again for
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Speaker 18: Clovermore to be like this. You're kind of giving the
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Speaker 18: people what they want. If they don't like it, they
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Speaker 18: should be making a noise, but she's given them watch
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Speaker 18: what they want.
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Speaker 1: They should make a noise.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, maybe she's having us protection money and rising tide
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Speaker 2: will stay out of Sydney Harbor. I've challenged them to
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Speaker 2: stage no that I don't. They should stay away. They
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Speaker 2: stay away now. I want to just finish the sentence, please.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to encourage these idiots to protest anywhere,
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Speaker 2: but maybe they should protest at the ABC. Get down
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Speaker 2: there and protest them because they're wasting a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: Let me go to words of wisdom.
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Speaker 2: We'll need some advice every now and then, and especially
45:39
Speaker 2: anybody who's been a little bit disaffected by the election
45:42
Speaker 2: victory of Donald Trump and is worried about what the
45:44
Speaker 2: future holds for Joe Biden and for the current Vice president.
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, well, Kamala Harris herself has got some words
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Speaker 2: of comfort and inspiration for you.
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Speaker 23: I just have to remind you, don't you ever let
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Speaker 23: anybay take your power from you. You have the same
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Speaker 23: power that you did before November fifth, and you have
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Speaker 23: the same purpose that you did, and you have the
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Speaker 23: same ability to engage and inspire. So don't ever let
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Speaker 23: anybody or any circumstance take your power from you.
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Speaker 1: It's just too good.
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Speaker 2: And she just had her power taking away exactly.
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Speaker 19: You've never seen anyone look more defeated while telling you
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Speaker 19: don't be defeated, you just have as much as I
46:35
Speaker 19: saw an AI version of this where it was the
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Speaker 19: exact same footage today, but they'd put in a bottle
46:43
Speaker 19: of alcohol into her hands or the whole address. She's saying,
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Speaker 19: they can't take a power from you, but she she
46:50
Speaker 19: does seem her normal word salad. A lot of people
46:54
Speaker 19: were speculating as to whether she's had a few sherbets
46:57
Speaker 19: before just theirs time she's her fast since the defeat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Justin feel sorry for her look bite. She looks
47:04
Speaker 2: like she's been burdened by what has.
47:06
Speaker 1: Been you two.
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Speaker 18: I think I think you too need to start being
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Speaker 18: gracious winners. And I thought, what's it going to be, like?
47:17
Speaker 18: What sort of pro Trump garbage are they going to
47:19
Speaker 18: throw up to me? But and this is the best
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Speaker 18: you came up. And I've got to so disappointed, Justin.
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Speaker 2: I hate to interrupt while we're coming off the long run,
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Speaker 2: but I have got something better for you, and it's
47:32
Speaker 2: from the anti Trump card. Do you remember the actress
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Speaker 2: Sharon Stone, apparently a towering intellect.
47:39
Speaker 1: This woman.
47:39
Speaker 2: Here's what she's had to say about her fellow Americans
47:43
Speaker 2: re electing Donald Trump.
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Speaker 24: Americans who don't travel, who eighty percent don't have a passport,
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Speaker 24: who are uneducated, are in their extraordinary naivete.
47:59
Speaker 2: There she is in Italy, Justin just dissing all her
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Speaker 2: fellow Americans. Are they going to let her back into
48:05
Speaker 2: the country?
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Speaker 1: I but do you disagree with that?
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Speaker 18: I mean, in all, honestly, I'm talking about both sides
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Speaker 18: of politics here. I mean, you've been to the United States,
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Speaker 18: You've talked to Americans before, and on both sides, the
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Speaker 18: Harris camp and the Trump camp.
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Speaker 1: All we saw with the voters.
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Speaker 18: Kind of swallow the lines the you know, the change
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Speaker 18: we can believe in and the make America America great again.
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Speaker 18: They just swallowed the lines over there. Honestly, I think
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Speaker 18: it's an incredibly, incredibly astute.
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Speaker 1: A comment.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to pose a question to you,
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Speaker 2: but allow Loz to answer it very quickly because we're
48:43
Speaker 2: out of time. Imagine if Justin was saying that all
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Speaker 2: the voters and people of Pakistan or New Zealand or
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Speaker 2: India were full. Yes, but you can only say that
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Speaker 2: about America apparently.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.
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Speaker 19: Insult the progress of democracy. And who's Sharon Stone anyway?
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Speaker 19: This is a woman whose height of her fame was
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Speaker 19: crossing her legs.
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Speaker 13: Without any underwear on in a move a.
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Speaker 19: Nineties movie called Basic Instinct.
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Speaker 13: I'm like Lady's Spare.
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Speaker 1: It's a good flick.
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Speaker 19: I was hoping that I would have voted differently if
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Speaker 19: they were just better traveled.
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Speaker 2: That's one I was hoping we might be able to
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Speaker 2: discuss her contribution without a reference to that.
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Speaker 13: But no, you don't have to go there, name and shame.
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Speaker 13: I just what you're best known for.
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Speaker 1: I think the.
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Speaker 2: History of the universe suggests that America and Americans have
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Speaker 2: been pretty bright, and I don't think you can dispute that.
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Speaker 2: But we love having you on the show. Justin we
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Speaker 2: love having you here, Liz. You'll be back at ten
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Speaker 2: with the Late Debate. Oh that tomorrow night at five o'clock.
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Speaker 2: But here at six is Peter Kredlin.