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Greg Jehanian from mewithoutYou on the Legacy of Brother, Sister · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Today, I've got Greg from me without you. It's always
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  Speaker 1: a pleasure to chat with you.
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  Speaker 2: Greg.
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  Speaker 3: I think third time on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a few weeks ago I reached out, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was the other day about like a month or
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  Speaker 1: so ago. I was looking through, you know, knowing that
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  Speaker 1: like two thousand, you know, it's twenty twenty six, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking through. I'm like, Okay, there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: albums that I knew I loved growing up that came
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  Speaker 1: out in two thousand and six, so they're twenty years
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  Speaker 1: old now, and so I was looking through, like specifically
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  Speaker 1: like Tooth and Nail albums that came out in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six, and I'm just like seeing like so
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  Speaker 1: many good ones that are some of my favorite albums
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  Speaker 1: of all time. And so I was like, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I should reach out to the people I know that
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  Speaker 1: we're part of those albums, and certainly you're you're one
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  Speaker 1: of those folks with brother sisters, so well, obviously we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk all things brother sister here in a bit, but
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  Speaker 1: before we before you know, we chat into that or
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  Speaker 1: about that.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing today, Greg?
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  Speaker 2: Doing great? It's good to be here again with you, Mason.
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  Speaker 2: I always enjoy our conversations and you know, getting to
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  Speaker 2: do this, so thanks. I appreciate you reaching out and
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  Speaker 2: getting to talk about this because yeah, as far as
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  Speaker 2: all the albums, I was a part of this one
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, maybe not for some reason, probably is
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  Speaker 2: my first, which I know we'll get into, but just
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  Speaker 2: has a lot of like core memories around it for me.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I love that love that you know.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, typically when I have you on the pod,
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  Speaker 1: like they are usually some of the most listened to
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  Speaker 1: episodes or watched episodes even on YouTube. Uh, just yet,
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  Speaker 1: Met Without You attracts a crowd, you know. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you guys maybe especially since breaking up.
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  Speaker 3: Or have gone on hiatus.
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  Speaker 1: However, you guys won't want to call it, but since
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  Speaker 1: the end of Me Without You, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you've gotten this, but like it's like clearly you guys
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  Speaker 1: have like mattered to so many people, and so whenever
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  Speaker 1: there's like a Meal without You thing going on, like
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  Speaker 1: the Me Without You fans are going to show up.
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  Speaker 3: I can assure you that.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously I would imagine you felt that love throughout
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  Speaker 1: the time of the band. And then I'm sure, especially
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  Speaker 1: on the farewell tour, Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, no, that's I mean, that's that sentiment and
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  Speaker 2: that loyalty and that you know kind of ear to
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  Speaker 2: the ground that our fans have had has meant a
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  Speaker 2: lot to us and is always really speak and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it creates a lot of that sort of back and
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  Speaker 2: forth energy between like, you know, what we've been able
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  Speaker 2: to do and how folks have you know, received it
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  Speaker 2: and and kind of made it their own. So I
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  Speaker 2: love that.
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  Speaker 3: I love that about our fans for sure. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: think you know, with your fans, like.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, Colin and I typically ask folks like
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  Speaker 1: what their most influential albums are, and there are like
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  Speaker 1: three bands that seem to be like the most cited,
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  Speaker 1: maybe four bands that seemed to be the most cited,
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  Speaker 1: especially with the kind of bands that we interview. Certainly,
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy World is like just always mentioned. Uh the second
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  Speaker 1: one that has always sort of surprised me, but like
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  Speaker 1: maybe because I just feel like I missed it early on,
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  Speaker 1: But Lincoln Park.
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  Speaker 3: Is always cited or like very frequently cited.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like hybrid theory was like a huge deal,
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  Speaker 1: especially for those that might like be in metal bands now,
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  Speaker 1: like hybrid Theory in the two thousands was just such
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. And then honestly, the third band that
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  Speaker 1: we hear almost all the time is Me Without You,
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  Speaker 1: like at least one of the albums. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's always the same album, but like.
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  Speaker 3: Usually Me Without You.
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  Speaker 1: And so I've always kind of thought of like Me
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  Speaker 1: Without You, especially since like doing this podcast and you know,
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  Speaker 1: curing how much Me Without You was an influence to
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  Speaker 1: so many bands, like it feels like Me Without You
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  Speaker 1: has sort of become or was for a while like
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  Speaker 1: the band's band, Like it was like the band that
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  Speaker 1: like all the other bands, like like it might not
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  Speaker 1: have been like the most popular band from fans, but
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  Speaker 1: was like extremely popular among bands, like it feels like
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  Speaker 1: Me Without You was like the kind of band that,
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  Speaker 1: like ever, like if you listen to Me Without You,
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  Speaker 1: you also started a band, like I think Velvet Underground
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  Speaker 1: was like that for like people in the sixties Fugazi,
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  Speaker 1: Like I know, you guys were big Fugazi guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Fugazi felt like that, where like anybody who was a
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  Speaker 1: big fan of Fugazi like also started their own band.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems like me without you, Like the average
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  Speaker 1: the avid me without you listener often started a band
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  Speaker 1: as well because of you guys. So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you like got a sense of that, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: being in the band, but like it does seem like
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  Speaker 1: you guys are kind of like the band's band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's interesting you say that. So obviously my
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  Speaker 2: perception is different being in the band, but from even
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  Speaker 2: a like a managerial standpoint, And this is even before
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  Speaker 2: Amquist managed us, and we worked with this guy, Blaze James,
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  Speaker 2: who managed a lot of bands. I think he still does,
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  Speaker 2: but at the time I think some of his like
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  Speaker 2: more well known bands that he managed were like Cohen
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  Speaker 2: and Cambria, I think Sparta like bands of that ILK
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  Speaker 2: like from that time going back around like the Brothers
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  Speaker 2: Sister Days. And that was one of my first times
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  Speaker 2: like hearing not hearing that phrase, but hearing it applied
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  Speaker 2: to us, where like he would tell us that some
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  Speaker 2: of these bands, I think brand news. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he managed them, but I think these were bands that
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  Speaker 2: liked us and then asked us to go on tour
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to just kind of being like a a
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  Speaker 2: bill that like a you know, booking agent was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this makes sense, like you know, ticket sales wise, I
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  Speaker 2: mean that was played into it too. But those bands
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  Speaker 2: in particular, I remember being asked to go on these
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  Speaker 2: bigger tours for us at the time. There were some
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest we had done at that point up
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  Speaker 2: to that point because someone in that band liked that.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I remember hearing that phrase kind of
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  Speaker 2: thrown around like we were like a band's band, you know,
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  Speaker 2: at the time. I haven't thought of it as much
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  Speaker 2: from the angle you're talking about, where maybe like now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, us being retired from touring band and everyone
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  Speaker 2: being in the band being in their forties and kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, you know, twenty years pasted a lot of
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  Speaker 2: what we had done. To hear that, you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: there's been like an influence. I mean, it makes sense,
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  Speaker 2: but it's it's interesting. It's cool to hear that that. Maybe, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people mention that as far as like an inspiration to
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  Speaker 2: start a band or or to start playing or something.
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  Speaker 1: So for sure, yeah, like like I remember so at
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  Speaker 1: Furnace Pest, which I went to, you know, many years
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  Speaker 1: in a row, one of the bands that I always
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  Speaker 1: thought and there they're one of my favorite bands as well.
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  Speaker 3: But I always thought it was like really funny going.
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  Speaker 1: To the apple Seed Cast shows at Furness Pest because
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  Speaker 1: you know, because it's a festival, there's lots of other
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  Speaker 1: bands there, and it's the kind of festival where like
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  Speaker 1: if you're a band, typically like you would stay like
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  Speaker 1: stick around like the whole weekend to watch other bands.
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  Speaker 1: And I just remember like watching the apple seed Cast
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  Speaker 1: set and you just see like all the other band
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  Speaker 1: dudes from other bands there, and it's just like primarily
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  Speaker 1: most of the audience were other bands, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's when it like struck me. I'm like, oh, that's right,
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  Speaker 1: Like apple Seed Cast is probably one of those bands.
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  Speaker 1: It's more of like a band's band where they like
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  Speaker 1: they might not have a huge popular sound or for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, like didn't get super popular among music listening fans,
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  Speaker 1: but the kind of people that did really like them
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  Speaker 1: probably also started a band. And it feels like me
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  Speaker 1: without you, maybe it's even like a greater degree than
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  Speaker 1: Apple Sea Casts sort of sort of feels like that,
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  Speaker 1: Like I would imagine a lot of like those Farewell
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  Speaker 1: shows included a lot of people that were also in bands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there was a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: in bands and people that we had toured with that
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  Speaker 2: that came out to see us off in that way.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, Apple Sea Casts are a great example too,
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  Speaker 2: because they're you know, they I think of them as
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  Speaker 2: sort of the remnants of the era before us as
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  Speaker 2: far as like some of the bands that like influenced us,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and so that was always cool to get to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, do a few tours with them, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're a great band. But that's a good example.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about them as far as like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think of that too. So probably a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: like in bands that were like our age and stuff
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  Speaker 2: come you know, coming up and playing music and writing
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  Speaker 2: music that liked you know, that were sort of you
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  Speaker 2: know connected to like sort of a post hardcore, you know,
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  Speaker 2: whatever wave of emo that would have been like like
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  Speaker 2: kind of Midwest nineties. You know. Forgive my lack of
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  Speaker 2: knowledge of the the the exact tear name of that
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  Speaker 2: of that brandom emo, but yeah, I think I put
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  Speaker 2: them in maybe with the like the latter end of
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  Speaker 2: that era, so that kind of came before us, So
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  Speaker 2: I could see that like sort of appreciation for a
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  Speaker 2: band like that, and how that would pull out a
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  Speaker 2: lot of musicians to.
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  Speaker 3: Come see the play for sure.
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  Speaker 1: For sure along those lines, and obviously I want to
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  Speaker 1: dive into brother's sister here in the second, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: curious along those lines of like the band's man kind
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  Speaker 1: of conversation, did you ever sense like the like Hailey
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  Speaker 1: Williams being so vocal about her love for me without
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  Speaker 1: you and then obviously you guys like doing a few
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  Speaker 1: songs with her and then her even like you know,
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  Speaker 1: every now and then like popping in for a show
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  Speaker 1: to do some vocals.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever sense that like that actually like.
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  Speaker 1: Increase visibility of the band, Like do you feel like
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  Speaker 1: her just her popularity like helped the band in terms
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  Speaker 1: of like its own popularity. Like not that you care
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  Speaker 1: about that or anything, but I'm curious, like the reality
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  Speaker 1: of it, did did it help?
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  Speaker 3: Did you like a sense that at all?
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question. I I don't know, I would
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  Speaker 2: I would assume even if it's sort of like not
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  Speaker 2: super tangibly or make an explicit connection, you know, but
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  Speaker 2: I think just the general sort of her having such
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  Speaker 2: a platform, you know, and just visibility and people paying
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  Speaker 2: attention to what she's saying and to what she says
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  Speaker 2: she's into. I would imagine it prompted curiosity or interest
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  Speaker 2: in the band, you know, maybe someone coming out to
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  Speaker 2: see us, either because I know a few times you
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  Speaker 2: know that the band opened for them, or just maybe
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  Speaker 2: because she mentioned it. I probably only gathered very few
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  Speaker 2: stories of something like that over the years as far
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  Speaker 2: as me personally, like someone sharing that with me or
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  Speaker 2: like like people seem to know the connection, but more
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  Speaker 2: because they already were following us and they also like
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  Speaker 2: loved her. So but I do imagine in some like
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  Speaker 2: you know, in some sense you know, that kind of
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  Speaker 2: again like spark curiosity. But there's an interesting tidbit about that,
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  Speaker 2: like going to the Farewell tour when she came out
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  Speaker 2: in LA and did Fox's Dream with us. There was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of accounts, like like a lot of Instagram
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  Speaker 2: accounts when that happened. It was just going all over
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  Speaker 2: to these places that are purely just like Haley Williams
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  Speaker 2: fan pages, you know, and the focus of course of
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  Speaker 2: those people taking that footage and putting it on those
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  Speaker 2: fan pages that probably have way more followers than the
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  Speaker 2: band does itself, was more just about her, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean I'm sure the band was mentioned, but
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  Speaker 2: I just think there's such a celebrit and this is
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  Speaker 2: not a statement about her, but just the way she's
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  Speaker 2: perceived or such a celebrity around her that even something
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  Speaker 2: like that, especially as she got like bigger and kind
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  Speaker 2: of has more like leaned into her solo career, it
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  Speaker 2: seems like, you know, the person she's doing those things
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  Speaker 2: with like be more of an afterthought, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: the focus is more as like where's Haley email? You know,
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  Speaker 2: sort of like a where's waldo of you know, just
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  Speaker 2: kind of locating these like, you know, sort of these
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  Speaker 2: celebrities or these you know, artists that that people are
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  Speaker 2: passionate about. So yes, and no, I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the band didn't necessarily have this big like awareness in
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  Speaker 2: real time of something happening around that because even like
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  Speaker 2: the way it played out with like ten stories with
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  Speaker 2: her being on the record, you know, it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of just like she's in the liner notes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like and you know, it felt like sort of a
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  Speaker 2: like a you know, like a very low key way
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  Speaker 2: of sort of playing into that connection. Right, So maybe
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  Speaker 2: if we were to have big billboards you know that
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  Speaker 2: we have paid for like featuring Hilly well you know,
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  Speaker 2: yeah you know, but yeah, so so so possibly I would.
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  Speaker 2: I would, I wouldn't put it. I would imagine that
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  Speaker 2: would happen, but I didn't know explicitly of it happening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember like as a kid, you know, being
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: in like middle school and high school and then finding
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  Speaker 1: out that she, you know, I mean maybe she's even
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  Speaker 1: explicitly said that Me Without You was like her favorite
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: band of all time. Like I think it was more
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  Speaker 1: for like us weird Christian kids that like already loved
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  Speaker 1: Me Without You. It was like our only way to
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  Speaker 1: like relate to our peers was like like because everybody
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  Speaker 1: was listening to Paramore at the time, and so like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're like listening to this weird Christian music,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, Me Without You or whoever else or
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: you know, for me, like the Chariot was my you know,
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  Speaker 1: favorite band, and obviously you know, josh and and Haley
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  Speaker 1: have a good friendship as.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so it was like like the only way to relate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the only way to relate to my like
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  Speaker 1: non youth group friends were was like, oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: like my bands are actually like the influence on like
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  Speaker 1: this band that.
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  Speaker 3: You really love.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that was like the only way I
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  Speaker 1: could relate to them back in that in that time
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  Speaker 1: at least.
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  Speaker 2: Said yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. Yeah. And it
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  Speaker 2: like deepens, it deepens the mythology and the connections and
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  Speaker 2: the lore of these bands, and yes, gives you an
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  Speaker 2: end to like, Hey, well let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not just this, you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: just listening to these bands that are recommended if you like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, these secular bands.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well let's talk about brother Sister,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so you So what's interesting is you
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  Speaker 1: weren't the like the the basis that recorded uh catch
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  Speaker 1: for us the Foxes. But then but then you very
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  Speaker 1: quickly came on and did like the whole tour with
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  Speaker 1: that album cycle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh and then obviously remain in the band from that
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  Speaker 1: point on. Can you talk a little bit about just
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  Speaker 1: uh maybe like prior to even like starting to write
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  Speaker 1: Brother Sister, Yeah, what like did you have like a
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  Speaker 1: sense of like, oh, we're in this like process where
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be like writing a new album here soon like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like with you being in the band,
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine maybe at that point, at that point
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  Speaker 1: you guys were maybe like even like full time. Uh
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, what was just that whole process leading up
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  Speaker 1: to even like the starting of writing and then obviously
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: eventually recording the album.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, Like, like you mentioned, I think Brother
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  Speaker 2: Schister came out in October of two thousand and four,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't long after that I was asked to
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  Speaker 2: join the band, And it wasn't you know, maybe it
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  Speaker 2: was maybe two and a half months, Like I think
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  Speaker 2: they did one tour with Daniel on that record, maybe two,
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  Speaker 2: and then I think January, when the you know, when
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  Speaker 2: the calendar flipped two thousand and five, I started doing
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  Speaker 2: shows and yeah, we were kind of off and running
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  Speaker 2: full time in that record cycle of Catch. So at
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: that point, you know, I just had to learn a
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  Speaker 2: to be life and catch. And I'm glad that I
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: came in at that point because I think not because
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: of the I probably mentioned this before, and some people
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  Speaker 2: know the history of the band, like like not necessarily
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: because of the working relationship with chemistry with the band,
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  Speaker 2: because I had been writing songs with Mike and Aaron
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  Speaker 2: since you know, probably eight years or so up and
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: you know, up until that point because of our you know,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: me and Mike doing our first band in high school
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  Speaker 2: and then very shortly after that, while Aaron was still
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: in high school, like you know, doing this pop punk
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  Speaker 2: band with like me and him and two other friends.
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  Speaker 2: So like we were always like writing songs together that
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: never like left the girl for like a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Then we did the Operation, which did two tours and
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: started to get you know, we were writing those songs together.
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  Speaker 2: So there was it wasn't so much to like is
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: this going to work as far from a songwriting standpoint,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: but I think for me to get used to the
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: you know, just kind of the operating and the sound
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: and the and the the particular the specific chemistry of
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: how we played music together in this setting, because the
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: only person that I hadn't played music was at that
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: point was Ricky. I knew him, but we had not
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: been in a band together before that. But Chris and
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Mike and Aaron we had done you know, bands for years,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: so there was an excitement about Okay, this is like
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I'm learning with Dan. Did it kind of helps me
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: to lock into like a sound that they've already kind
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: of developed without me, and now like like what does
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: it mean for me to kind of have my voice
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: in that? And so there wasn't like this growing awareness
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: of like we're going to write a record, like I
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: knew it was coming, but it was kind of like
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I think it was just such a excuse me, such
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: like a wild ride, like like from that whole first
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: year of just because there was so much of it
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: and that was new to me, and then getting to
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: play these songs that I really liked and especially catch
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I really love that record when they put it out,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: and I was like proud of them for doing that,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and getting to be a part of performing
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: it was really fun and like you know, yeah, like
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I said, to kind of find my way in that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: So there was a lot of momentum I guess going
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: into it, but there wasn't necessarily like an It wasn't
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: an anticipatory feeling. It was just kind of like, oh,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: like here's some downtime after the holidays. I want to
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: say it was like maybe like a year later, like
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: January oh six, where we were like all right, this,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I guess this is the time we carve out to start,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you know, seeing what riffs people have or like start
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: to see if any songs kind of come together. But
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: it was almost like a given, like we're gonna do this,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: but we just sort of like from what I remember,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: ifrom remembering correctly, was like we just kind of fell
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: into that season. It's like, Okay, things have slowed down
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: with the touring on this, we have some time off.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: What does it look like to write? And then we
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: entered that process.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so many questions that come up, but so one
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: is you mentioned that you know, obviously you would had
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: written before with some of the other guys in the band, uh,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: but not Ricky Uh. And I'm curious, you know, by
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: that point though you basically had been in the band
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: for at least like a year and a half, maybe.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Over a year, certainly by the year and change, so.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: You start writing, and so I would imagine, like you
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you both have kind of gotten familiar with each other
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: at that point. But as the rhythm section of the
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: band like was there, did you feel like there were
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: growing pains of like writing together as a rhythm section
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: or did it feel supernatural to write as the rhythm
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: section of the band I'm just like curious because that
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: was a newer relationship. Was there any sort of interesting
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: dynamic to that writing for the first time together?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Honestly, that felt pretty seamless, if like, if I'm remembering right,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like there was such a because even though
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I hadn't played in a band with Ricky, I had
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: known him, and I think because we had, we all
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: had such shared influences in a lot of ways, a
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: lot of overlap with influences and the way that we
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: like approached writing music that you know, it's not to
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: say there was never like you know, butting of heads
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: or like having to figure stuff out, but overall it
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: felt pretty sill like it felt seamless in this that
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: there was like a trust, like everybody had a trust
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: of one another, you know, and what we're going to
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: bring and it was fun and like for me because
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I hadn't I brought this probably when we talked before,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: but I hadn't. I had never not never for recordings
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: and stuff of songs I had written. I have, but
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I'd never like really full on play bass before joining
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the band. Like when Aaron called me to join, it
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: was like a Hey, Daniel's you know, going to be
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: leaving after this this tour in a few months. Do
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: you want to join?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't even sure I did want to join.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I never played bass, and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: he's like, you can figure it out, you know, I
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: can grow up playing drums to play guitar. He's like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you'll you know, I remember then Mike, I think took
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the phone just He's like, I have because I lived
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: with Mike at the time in some friends. He's like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: he's like, the CDs are in my room, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to date when this happened, you know, two thousand and four,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Like just go go grab the CDs from my room,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: put them in, like start learning. Then I did, you know?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I learned learned then about you know, a month or two,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: you know, most of the songs off those two albums.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: So that I'm glad that like Daniel sort of established
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: like like the voice of the rhythm section in a way,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: not that I didn't make it my own too, but
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: it helped me to sort of again, it gave me
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: context coming in, you know, so I think it informed
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: how I wrote, But also there was I think there's
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of overlap between how Daniel and I like
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: write too. Like I think we're both pretty like melodic
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: bass players. Like I'm glad he's not. I'm not a
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: super super technical player in really any of my instruments
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: that I do, But I do think songwriting and melody
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: are like come to me pretty easily or like our
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: strong point of my you know, being musician. So thankfully,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't coming into some super techy kind
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: of thing.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It was like like songs I could understand, wrap my
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: head around that felt intuitive and and kind of bring
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a style that I think matched what Daniel did, and
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: then was able to kind of expand on that as
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: we you know, expanded our sound.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So one of the things that's unique about Brother Sister
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: at this point in me without who history is you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: those first few albums and even that EP, you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: very what you would probably describe as like post hardcore.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Then Brother Sister felt like it was unique or at
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: least the start of this journey of like integrating more
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: acoustic type of instruments or folkier instruments, if you will.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And I would imagine I think maybe I've heard before
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in previous interviews that that was like very Aaron directed that,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: like Aaron was maybe really behind that, and not to
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: say like maybe maybe the rest of the guys were
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: pretty on board with it too, But it sounds like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that was very much like Aaron had a vision of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that and kind of went, you know, took you all
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: down that. Yeah, I'm just curious, like yeah around like
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you know, like I would imagine you've had conversations with
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Aaron or when you were writing that, you had conversations
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: with Aaron about like why like why you're wanting or
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: like why the band is like kind of moving down
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: this more folkier route. And I'm also curious, like and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: so if you can speak to that, and I'm also
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: curious like it. It does seem like pretty unique that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a band that is like maybe again would be described
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: as like a post hardcore band. How do you integrate
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: some like post hardcore elements with a like with folk,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Like how do you do that? Like how do you
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: make it sound natural and sound good? Like I would
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: imagine that was part of the conversation as well. So yeah,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious about like that direction of the sound
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that you all kind of took with brother Sister.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a good question. It's funny hearing that
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: question twenty years removed, because like now we can like
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: kind of look back and like talk about genre and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: things like that. But in the moment, like from what
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I remember, so you bring that up, it reminds me, like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you know, I have these like pretty distinct like kind
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of core band memories and glimpses of writing, and they
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: were all kind of different places too. It's interesting like
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: where we first started writing it to where we ended
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: up writing it to then like some like side sessions
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: in our houses and things like that. So, but the
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: element you're bringing up about bringing in melody and like
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: acoustic guitar, because Aaron, it's sung, you know, I mean
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: not as much, but I know there was you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: some melody, especially like Son of a Widow. Again, there
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't really acoustic elements of that, but like you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: he had introduced I think more melody and on catch
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: than he had on A to B life for sure.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: So but to answer your question more specifically, like there
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't really you know, there wasn't really like a real
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: time discussion about like genre, not that we didn't have
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: an awareness of the sound or the sound that we
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: had built up to that point. So I don't want
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: to give the illusion that there was like no consideration
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of the direction. But it wasn't really like we felt
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: like locked into like well we're perceived this way. It
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: was kind of like a there was something about like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the spirit of the band and kind of the rawness
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and moving around that like Aaron introducing, which happened more
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff you were saying that directing like
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: like happened. A lot of that happened more with It's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: all Crazy. But there was a few examples of that
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: on Brother's Sister, specifically the songs that were just like
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: in iron acoustic songs that he like had written some
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: lyrics and chord thrown together progressions for Messes of Men,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Sweater poly Knit, and the Spider Songs, which is one
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: song at the time. And I remember we were sitting
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: in my room, so I lived with Mike and some friends.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I had this like room in the attic that was
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: kind of bigger, and I don't remember who was all
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: in there. I don't know if it was all of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: us or if it was just me, Mike and Aaron,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: but I remember I feel like it was maybe all
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of us, but we were sitting up in my room,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: maybe talking about the album or some that had some
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: demos of what we had done so far, and I
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: remember Aaron took my acoustic in my room and just
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: started playing. He's like, I have this song and it
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: was Message of Men, and we started like listening, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: hearing it for the first time. And I don't remember
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: there being like I mean, I think we all loved it,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: but there definitely wasn't like pushback like well, this is
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: too much of this. It was sort of like, okay,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: when we're all together in a room with our instruments, again,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: bring that and let's just kind of see what happens.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And I think just naturally the tones, the sort of
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the established DNA and foundation of the band's
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: sonic landscape just kind of with that album. I'm not
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: saying like like it was never any resistance, but like
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: it's sort of with that and Sweater, I just remember
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that being such a seamless here. It is like the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: song just kind of you know, like I mean, Messes
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I remember being a good example of like we just
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: sort of fell into you know, Ricky doing that drum
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: beat and just kind of finding that that groove or
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that that sort of that sort of swing, you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: that sort of walty feel to it, and then totally
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: separate the end, which I mean you can kind of
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: hear that they're two different things. But that was just
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: like a little melodic bassline I had written on my
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: own that in my mind was like, oh, this like
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: sounds faghassish, and I remember like bringing it to the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you know, it was somewhere in our parts, like like
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: whiteboard of like, oh like let's let's let's that's an
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a minor. Let's like, let's let's try to attach that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Let's try to transition into that from Aaron's acoustic song.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: So like that was like sort of a conglomeration of
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of of two parts or Aaron's song that like we
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: attached my part too, So it just sort of happens.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Seems like it wasn't like a big like macro discussion
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of like how does this spit into our genre. I
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: just feel like at the time it was, especially with
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: brother's sister, there was like a momentum and I felt
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: like we were kind of catching up to it. And
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I heard someone say this phrase recently and I used
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: it in referring to my own songwriting recently, but like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: catching songs that time in our history felt like it
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: really was like this groundswell of like there's things coming,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: like we want to kind of latch onto it, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: it was happening pretty like seamlessly for that record in
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a way that was really exciting and felt like the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: creative energy around it is something that has left an
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: impression on me for you know, twenty plus years now.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So did it ever did you have like a sense of, yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: like the the maybe trickiness, I mean, I don't know
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: if that's the best way to describe it, like this
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: sort of trickiness of like balancing these different sounds with
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: what is maybe you guys had as like this is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the Me without You sound, because like, up to that point,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: like Me Without You as the kind of band where
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: if you guys were playing live, like there's probably gonna
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: be a mosh pit at some point in the show
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and or maybe even like throughout kind of the duration
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of the show, and and then all of a sudden,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you start introducing different instruments like an accordion, and now
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you're the kind of band
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that like in one song could have an accordion and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: an acoustic guitar playing, and then the next song you're
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: playing the type of songs where people are literally like
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: throwing elbows at each other and and it's just like that, Like,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: there's not been probably many bands of any up to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that point in music history that could like say, yeah,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: we've got like we've got a sound where people are
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: literally gonna mosh in stage dive, and then the next song,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we've got an acoustic guitar and an accordion player. Like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: they're just so like that. There must have been like
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a thing where it's like, how do we do that well?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Where it still feels like me without you? But there
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: must be something kind of I don't know, like kind
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of funky about that that I would imagine, like how
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: do we do something like where we this is the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: kind of the direction we're wanting to go, but also
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: we know like this is kind of what maybe fans
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: expect of us. I don't know, like that was just
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: must have been like a thing that you guys had
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to like balance or navigate.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I think, well, you know, I can only speak for myself.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I could speak for the band
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: is when it was like became a conversation. But honestly,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: like again, you know, I feel like a lot of
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you know, like I feel like a lot of like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: sort of creative histories kind of have this feeling that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of described where it's like when it's happening
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: in real time, it's like there's almost less of an
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: awareness around it than when like you kind of look
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: back to me you're describing it. I'm laughing because I agree.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It's like to have like a song like Timothy Hay
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and Gentlemen like from come from the same band, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: all within the span of like at that point, well
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: like seven years. You know, it is kind of funny
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and like I agree, like you don't always hear that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: sort of range in a way where it feels like
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: it's the same DNA. But I feel like there's something
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: about the band's sound and like the spirit of the band,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and then certainly Aaron and his and his lyrics and
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: his you know, kind of unique Volk delivery. And then
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: when he comes down the singing voice, because that was
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: like you know, I know, he didn't sing a lot
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: on Catch or maybe not at all on A to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: B life. But that's what I'm remembering, right, But I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: remember there being discussions in the studio, so now going
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: beyond like when we just were writing the instrumentals or
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: working on stuff at home and being with Brad, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I remember like Aaron trying to and like Brad definitely
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: how the producer, Brad would helping tremendously and helping Aaron
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: find his voice in a way, you know, like I mean,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: it was Aaron's voice, but I think helping him with
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you know, to be confident and also kind of like
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: find it, you know what I mean, like like in
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: the trial and error kind of way, the way you'd
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: find a guitar tone, you know, for a song. So
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I don't remember specifically like what other like versions might
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: have sounded like that we tried or that he tried.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: He might have even done some of that on his own,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: because I think after we did a lot of the music,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I think probably some of that exploratory stuff. I think,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you know, people probably mostly feel comfortable doing it on
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: their own with the producer as opposed to like everybody
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: in the room, you know, to see what the something
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: is vulnerable as a vocal part. So again, so I
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: agree with you, but again in real time while it
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: was happening. I think it just felt it is funny
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: because I can now, I know we're talking about Brother's Sister,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: but I remember when we were writing It's All Crazy
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and even recording it and getting some of the final
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: stuff back. In my mind, it just felt like such
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a natural progression or part of the same band. In hindsight,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I can see you like why it like looks seemed
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: jarring and I almost feel like, I think we've even
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: said like brothers Sister kind of or It's All Crazy
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: sort of had to happen for the band to kind
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: of hone in on the rest it sound for the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: rest of the records too. Like it felt like it
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: it was like creatively necessary for us to work move
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: through that this season, you know, not through it is,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and to like move beyond it. But just like that,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: it became a part of the band's sound. It was
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: more highlighted on that record, and then it kind of
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: found its way, you know, for the rest of our career.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So all that to say, it felt that, But I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: remember getting feedback on It's All Crazy when we released it,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh this, wow, this is getting
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like there's some pushback. So weirdly enough, being in the
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: midst of the creative process, I didn't feel as aware.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we did as a group that
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: there was sort of these jarring which sounds silly to say.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: It's not that we were sort of blind to it,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: but I think it just felt like, well, this is
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: just who we are, We're doing our thing. So yeah,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: to have like, you know, like a song off of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It's all crazy with like Cure for Pain, you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: in the same set, felt natural.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Strangely enough, I.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Get that, yeah, you know, along those lines of just
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: like kind of that acoustic folk kind of sound that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: obviously gets so integrated in Brothers Sister. You've already sort
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: of mentioned them briefly.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Is the Spider songs.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: They're just kind of I don't know, like they're just
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: such interesting songs. It's interesting to know that they were
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: initially like one song that then like obviously when it
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: came to the album, they got broken up. I'm forgetting
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think it might have been the last one, And
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I always forget the order of them, like whether it's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: like yellow yellow.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Spider yellow, brownish, yeah.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Brownish, Okay, so it might have been the last one
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: if I remember right. But there it's like Aaron starts
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: laughing at the end.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Oh that's that's orange spider.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's the word. Okay.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I've always been curious, do you remember what he was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: laughing at that like, or what caused him to laugh
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: at I don't.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Know if I was there for that. I don't remember.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I remember that happening and I was wanting to keep it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what caused the laughter because I don't
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: know if I was there when you tracked the lead
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: vocal for that song, like I might have been back
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: at the place we were staying or whatever. And but
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I remember because we came back and did like the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: group vocals and the little like hand clay, you know
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: whatever you did snaps or whatever, you know, like in
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the blah blah blah blah like all that stuff. So
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and I remember hearing it then and it all felt
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: like I was trying to remember, like I feel like
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: he did his first I'm remembering correctly. I don't know
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: if you found like if funny like like sort of
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the the lighthearted nature, I mean lyrically, it's it's like
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: silly and sweet, and then I think even like doing
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: like the like that and like have we had friends
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: visiting too, so like our our manager and friend Josh
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: at the time, helped do those vocals, and we also
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: had other friends visiting that we were friends with, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: like like the Central Coast California that were like doing
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: some of the handclapps and backup. So I think there
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: was just like a loose sort of vibe to when
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: we were recording the Sweat the Spider songs. So my
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: memory is just that maybe it kind of like fit
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: in with that looseness, but I don't, I don't know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I wish I had more specific answer if he was,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: you know, something funny happened or was said to him
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: over the you know, the headphones or something. Yeah.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just always curious, you know, I'm sure
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: maybe he would he would remember. But Okay, So along
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the lines of recording to perhaps my maybe my favorite
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: song off of the album, Oh Porcupine, what, what's the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: story of getting dreamy Unich?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I what?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And maybe to give you some context, so I didn't
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: know who Sunny Day Real Estate was before I listened
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to that song, and then obviously in falling in love
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: with that song, specifically because of his voice. I was like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: who is a Sunday Day Real Estate band? And then
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: obviously like just and now they're one of my favorite
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: bands as well. But yeah, like you all were like
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: my introduction to Sunny Day real Estate h and just
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the like uniqueness of his voice.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just curious, like, what.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: What was the story of being able to get because
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: he feels like a big get, Like, especially at that point,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he feels like a big get.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Uh so how could you get him?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a good question. I that
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: that's always such a highlight for me. Like even hearing
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you say that a smile to my face because it
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: still feels kind of surreal to this day. You know.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: So a lot of the bands that like we tour
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: with and like we're going out with, like I really
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: grew to like them, especially when I got to know
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the people and they were when they have With so
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: many amazing bands and talented bands, there were very few
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that before we tore with that I either knew of
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: them or like was a fan, But lots of them
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: after certainly so there are very few. There aren't a
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: ton of instances where I can like like where I
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: kind of felt like like sort of starstruck, you know
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: by like like who we were able to collaborate with
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: or things like that. But we all, you know, growing
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: up when we did and stuff like Sunnydiel State was
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: a huge influence on you know, certainly our songwriting, but
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: even just like our you know, it's just like like
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a part of our our growing up and kind of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: finding that sound. And there were such like a you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: such an influence for so many bands from that era
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: early to mid nineties, and so part of now. Brad
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Wood recorded Catch, Trust, the Boxes and Brothers Sister. He
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: went on to mix I think the next two records
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: for us. We didn't record with them. We stayed local.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: But but I don't know what your initial draw to
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: him was. But one of the factors I think was
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that he had recorded he had produced Diary and LP
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: two or somebody's called the Tank Out for Sunday the
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Reel State. So so he had worked with with with
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Jeremy and with them. So I remember, I don't because
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: when we wrote when we wrote Porcupine musically and then
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: when Aaron started bringing the lyrics, I don't think there
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: was like the It wasn't like, oh, we're gonna have
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a guest vocalist here in this like percussion break.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I think I don't remember. I don't think we even
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: talked about that until we got to the studio. I
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: don't remember whose idea it was, but I remember we
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: were all there. I just have this memory of this
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: kind of sitting on the couch behind the you know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Brad as he was mixing something or setting something up,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and I think we kind of like jokingly but like
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: sort of like, so, Brad, like, you know, do you
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: what do you think about like asking Jeremy to you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: it almost came up as a joke, and I think Brad,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: he's just such a sincere, sweet guy, and I just
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: remember him kind of being like, oh, I'll ask him,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and we're like, oh my gosh, you really you know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't believe it, you know. So that's my memory
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of it. So he you know, he reached out to
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: him through email, and I believe he got back to
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: him rather quickly and said that I don't know if
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: like Jeremy was a fan of us, so I think
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: he had heard of us and maybe he had checked
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: us out. Once he was asked and was like, oh,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: this sounds cool. My memory is that he was like
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: totally down to do it, and that he wasn't able
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: to come to the studio. I know that, so I didn't.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: We didn't see him. We never met. We didn't meet him.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Then at that point, he was he was up in
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Seattle and he might have even been working on maybe
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: his second solo record, World Weights. I believe he was
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: working on that, So he was kind of busy and
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: tied up, but he had his own access to a studio,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: so he was like, I'll do something here, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: and so he agreed to it. I think he got
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: a hold of Aron at some point or Mike. Maybe
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: that was after we went home. I don't remember. He
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: had agreed to it while we were there, but I
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: don't remember if if we if he had laid down
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the tracks before he left California. I think he did actually,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so that happened, and even to this day,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I think the first one we heard,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: because I think he did this first was Dryness in
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the Rain when he's in that song. So yeah, I
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: remember sitting on the bus and we had like, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: some stereo hooked up to our little speakers in the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: front lounge, and you know, we were getting mixes at
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: that point back on like a you know, like a
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: CDR or something, you know, so you know, we put
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: it in and we just sat there and listened. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: remember like kind of like laughing. I just remember like
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: looking at everybody and like we were all like beaming,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and it felt surreal. We're like, this is our song.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And then here was like you know, Jeremy singing, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: with Aaron or singing over a part that we had
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: all played. And it was just like this really surreal,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: joyful experience that still again makes me smile because I'm
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: like I'll listen to it once in a while, like
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: pop in one of our records and be like, oh
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: my gosh, like that's that's him doing. That's so cool,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and it's just like novel, like I know, like not
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that he's like this like superstar, you know, but he's
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: very influential and I love his music, you know, especially
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: that early stuff, and so it was so cool to
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: be able to hear him. It almost sounds like it's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: almost like when someone super imposes himself into like a
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: movie frame like look like a dad who's like doing
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: like a photoshop of like putting himself in like Star
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Wars and making his kids laugh or something. It almost
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: feels fake sometimes and like did he really do that?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: You know, I think because he wasn't there with us,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I love that. I love it. So yeah,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Brad was the connection there.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: That's so cool, so along those lines.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And I didn't know it at the time that I
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: first listened to the song, but like, as I got
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to know Sunny Day real Estate just sort of in
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the historical context of it, it had been some time
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: since Jeremy had screamed, and so like, who, like how
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: much twisting of his arm did you have to do
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to get him to scream again, like on a recording,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: because it had been something like I bet by that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: point it had been almost ten years since he had
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: last screamed on an album.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Or right now my memory of this. Aaron might might
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: remember differently or might have more accurate information, but I
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: think there was like I don't want to say zero
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: in play. It might have been like here's the part,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: but from what I remember is like and maybe Aaron
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: told me this, like why was happening or like in
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: that you know while we were in that session, was
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: that he just sent back what he did and like
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: we were totally surprised, like expected the singing and that,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: like you know, he did the kind of quiet you
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: know and darkness of light shines. But then when he
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: screams at the end of a porkupot, I don't think
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: we asked We didn't ask him to do that. I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: don't think we gave many creative direction. Aaron probably sent
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: him like what his lyrics were and just like here's this,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: here's the part. Do your thing. So my memory is
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: that he kind of went above and beyond, and when
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: we got that back that again, I'm glad you brought
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: that up because that also I remember that struck me
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: at the time too. I was like, whoa, this is
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: like vintage Jeremy.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's just because like there's this build
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: up in the song, especially there's that quiet part before
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the big.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Kind of like breakdown.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I just love that scream so much in that song.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It's just like maybe like the highlights of the album
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: potentially for me, or it's certainly up there as one
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of the highlights, and it sounds like for you. You were like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you love the fact that I even like picked up
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: on the fact that like it's it was such a highlight,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: it sounds like for you. So the fact that we
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: can share in that is super cool.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, I love it. I love it's
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: probably a highlight for me too to this day. So
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: super cool.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Such a such a cool yeah, such a cool moment.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So I do feel like I need to ask about
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: in a Sweater Poorly Net. It's just like, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: maybe outside of January nineteen seventy nine, it might be
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: maybe the most popular Me Without You song ever, certainly
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: like the song that you guys would often do to
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: like sort of close out shows, and so it just
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: became a fan favorite. It became one of the most
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: beloved songs in your guys' catalog. Yeah, I'm just curious,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like the story maybe around in a Sweater Porli Net,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: like I'd love to hear just you know, what did
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: you feel like even in the moment that you were
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you were writing it, that you were like, oh, we're
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: onto something here, like it did it feel like you
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: guys were writing your like mister Brightside or something where
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you're like, there's something here.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: That's funny because I yes and no, so well one
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: quick little detour more like to the mister Brightside. I
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: mean it's not it's not a one to one comparison.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: But the first song we ever like brought to like
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: a writing session for brothers sister and started jamming on
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: with C minor and I remember or like might bring
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: in the riff and like the bass. I remember how
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: like hearing the baseline in my head and like and
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Ricky was already kind of playing a beat. So I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: bring that up to say, I remember that being a
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: song we almost not to be thought about scrapping. But
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: maybe you just thought it was going to kind of
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: be like people aren't gonna like it, or if we
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: might not even love it that much or something. But
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: then that again, you never know until you know, people
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: get their hands on something and it becomes theirs. That
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: was something when people were kind of especially singing that
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: like open wide my Door, you know, like that surprised us.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: That caught on in a way that we didn't realize
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: at the time. But to get more specifically to your
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: question around Sweater, my memory of that is at that
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: point we were like renting out this space because we
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: started writing in Ricky's basement and then we moved it
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: not long after into this like little warehouse space that
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a friend's friend had, like you know, available, so we
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: brought our stuff into there, and we kind of spend
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: six to eight hours every weekday like writing for a
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, you know, maybe a month. And I remember,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the I don't remember the exact time,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: remember like maybe hearing Aaron play it for the first time,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: like just like sing like the you know, the verses
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and play those chorus chords. I think before the OZ.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think the OZ came into play really until
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: we were in the studio or like during our time
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: in California. So I remember going over that with Aaron,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: like the melodies and like even bringing it and we
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: brought that. I did not exist. Singing came even after
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: we were in the studio. But I'll mention that. But
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I do remember this. I'm glad you asked that because
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: as far as like feeling like there was like something
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: like really kind of like magical happening between us. That's
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: not to say maybe necessarily how it was going to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: be received. I don't think I had a perception of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: that yet, but I remember Aaron brought the song and
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I just remember like a jam kind of coming out
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: of it. So I remember he probably played it for
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: us just straight without us playing, and then we probably
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: just started to like add to it. And I feel
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: like my memory of it is that the chorus like
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: where there was no words at the time or no
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: ods my memory. You know, I could be sort of
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: combining a few moments together my memory, but I remember
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Mike kind of playing that like you know, Chris doing
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the big kind of washed out chords that follow, and
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Aaron to A to C sharp minor, and I remember Mike,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I think pretty quickly, you know, the little like staccato
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: kind of like you know part and the baseline too,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: just like because I kind of played melodically, like it's
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: just like sort of like hearing like the melody in
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: my head and then you know, kind of finding it
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: on the fret board. I remember like that moment of
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: that chorus kind of coming together pretty quickly, and that
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I remember. I mean, it's a very visceral, like when
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I think of the writing session of Brother Sister that
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: in particular, which is why I'm glad you asked, like
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: it's such a visceral like it's it's just something I
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: still feel like in touch with, like like like that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: idea of sort of birthing something together. I think of
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: creativity like that in general, like we're sort of again
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: catching something or in a moment in time like like whatever,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the fabric of our lives kind of woven
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: into reality like sort of coming together in these moments
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: were like things sort of you know, a sort of
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: coming through us or how we want to think of it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: It's not to say that it's something like that we're
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: not a part of and that our lives aren't you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: informing it. But in that moment, I just remember feeling
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that that sort of blend of like like you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: almost like a mystical feeling, you know, something like deeply
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: spiritual and deeply creative happening. And I just remember, like
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I just remember that, like like the way it sounded,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the way it felt. I never remember, just like sort
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: of a never forget like a moment of standing in
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that room while we were playing that chorus and again
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: not necessarily like oh, we're onto something that people are
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: gonna love, but just whatever was happening creatively felt so
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: seamless and like again like we were sort of being
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: like carried by a wave or something, you know, in
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: that moment. So yeah, that that is a very you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: kind of core memory of the writing process for sure.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And like I said, some of the other elements came
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: together in the studio and even after when we were
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: on tour, we did some like remote recording of that
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I Do Not Exist part and then send it back
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: to Brad to mix them there. But yeah, but it was, yeah,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: we recorded, we recorded me and Aaron did the I
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Do Not Exist vocals with We were on tour with
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: this fand minus the Bear and one of their maybe
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: they're I remember it was a keyboard player or a
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: guitar player. I can't. I can't remember the guy's name
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: right now, but he had some gear, so he like
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: came onto the bus lounge when we were parked for
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the show that day, and and you know, we kind
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: of treated the bust like a vocal booth and recorded
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the end I Do Not Exist parts. That's so cool
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and then you know that's bad put it in the mix.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's such a magical song, It's like,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know how helse describe it other than like,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: obviously again, like at that point in your guys' career,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: it definitely sounds like a like where you're really diverting
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: from maybe like the sound that people had maybe had
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: already gotten accustomed to with Me Without You. But because
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it's such a magical song that like even for maybe
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the like the orthodox Without You fans that were like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: what's going on with this album and specifically what's going
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: on with this song? Why does it not sound like
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: typical Me Without You? There's something so beautiful about it
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: where you're like, even if you were a little like
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: thrown off by it, you can't like help but like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: just get caught up in the catchiness of it and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the beauty of it. Yeah, it's one of those things
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: where you're just like, even if it feels a little different,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you're definitely still going to really get into it. And obviously, again,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: clearly that became the case because it became a fan favorite,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and I would imagine it became a fan favorite even
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: among those who are maybe initially maybe a little thrown
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: off by it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's funny we played it first.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I think the first time we played it. It might
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: not be in the first but it was certainly we
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: didn't We didn't really make a practice out of playing
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: songs and weren't released yet, even if they were fully written.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: We didn't. We kind of stopped doing that, I think
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: after Brother's Sister. But I remember we played I Think
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: It's on. It might be one of the more highly
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: viewed ones of that song from Cornerstone two thousand and six,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: a few months before just sticking out we played, we
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: played it and again at the time it probably you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of bands that had like where
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: their sound is sort of shifted, but they, you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: like would maybe say this something similar to this or
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: akin to this if being asked, like when you're in
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: it or the one doing it, like at the time,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: maybe if you would have asked me, like, does this
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: sound like me? Without you exactly, I don't know what
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I would have said, but if you would have said,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: does this sound like us? Like like just as like
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the five of us writing music, our influences in that
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: moment or historically, like yes, very much so, Like I'm
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: sure when Aaron first played that song, I don't I
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: don't think we even just first heard it and we're like, oh,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: this is amazing. It was probably like oh cool, like
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: all right, let's see, like what you know, I'm probably
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: just like that feeling I'm described I just described kind
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: of came as we were all sort of you know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: blending together in that moment. But so yeah, so even
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: when we played it live at Cornerstone, to me, it
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: just felt like, well, yeah, this is certainly us because
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Aaron singing and we're all playing our instruments. But again,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: with some hindsight, I can see how it might have
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: first caught people off card or felt like jarring John Vers. Yeah.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well along the along those lines kind of big picture.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's been twenty years now or almost twenty years. Yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's been twenty years now, because it was
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: in the September almost twenty years almost yeah, yeah, twenty yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: so basically twenty years ago. You know, this album comes
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: out and if I remember it might have been it
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: might be your best selling album. Like I think it
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: maybe has sold the most albums, right or most sales.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: It may you know, It's funny is I don't know
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: much about that stuff, but I imagine either catch or
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: that probably as far as you know, album sold or
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: probably at the top.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I Think It's All Crazy actually charted higher. But I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: would imagine over the lifetime of Brother Sister, it might
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: it might be the best selling album. I think even
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: like on Spotify. I think it's Spotify it's like the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: top album, like the most played out?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Is that actually pretty recently? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that one is. Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: So when you think back to, you know, twenty years ago,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like what do you think of like the legacy of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: this album? You know, I would imagine, uh, with each
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: of your albums you're that you were a part of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: with me without you, I would imagine there's like a
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: level of pride, and you have maybe different reasons for
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: being having pride for each one of the albums.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: It's probably like trying to, you know, pick your favorite child.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: There's probably it's probably an impossible task.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: But maybe what what was it maybe specifically about this
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: album that you felt really proud of or like when
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: you think maybe back to uh, what when you think
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: of the legacy of this album now?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I'm just curious.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Uh And maybe those are two different questions, but yeah,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: take it. However you want to go with that.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think, Well it's funny. I would say
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: it's my favorite of the ones that I was a
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: part of. And I say that I mean not necessarily
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: just because of like the songs that are on it, like, yes,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: that's a part of it, but more maybe even for
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: all the stuff that we've already kind of talked about,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: like the way it felt like sort of like the
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: way that like life felt, and the way that like
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: that the energy around creating it felt was just so again,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: there was like this, there was like this sort of
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: urgency but also like this I keep trying to avoid
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the word synergy because it feels too like you know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: corporate sometimes or something, but whatever, but yeah, the sort
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: of synergy that was sort of happening that it felt
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like we were there was a momentum that we were
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: writing at. It almost felt like we were trying to
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: catch up to it in a way. And so for
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: that reason, I think when I think back about like
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: what the record has meant to me or my own
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: personal relationship to it, and I think, like the first
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: one that I was a part of, having creative input
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and being you know, being a songwriter on that record
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: too felt significant. So I think for that reason too,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: there's just like the you know, the sort of uniqueness
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: of that experience that would you know, wouldn't happen again
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: with the band. So for that reason, it kind of
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: sits on the top in my you know, my personal
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: sort of experiential peace with the band, and you know
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that that's just that's just my experience with it. It's
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: obviously because you know, we've had like such wonderful fans
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: that have like really made an effort to connect with
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: us over the years and like you know, talk after
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: shows or things like that. Like I've heard a lot
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: over the years of that record, meaning you know what
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: it's meant to other people too, and that you know,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily change how I feel. I mean, maybe
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it enhances it a bit, but that's I'm always just
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: fascinated by how people hold and receive, you know, art,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: and you know, whether it's something I created or something
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: that I love as well, it's always like you very
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: you know, it always kind of becomes its own thing,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: becomes it has its own DNA as it sort of
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: interacts and weaves into your own experience. So I'm always
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: kind of fascinated to hear because it doesn't even feel like
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: when people share with the band is meant to them.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like they're talking about the like music
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: that like me and like four of my friends wrote
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: in a room. It feels like at that point it's
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: like more about like like the you know, sort of
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the creative force behind any art you know, that they
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: then sort of take on. So in that way, I
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: do feel fascinated. It's not because I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: we did that. It's like, well, yeah, we had a
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: hand and what was like the artifact that was made,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: But the actual sort of like you know, spiritual, mystical
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: sort of stirring and you know, owning of that is
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: unique to you know, anybody and any piece of art.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: So I love the hearing those processes, which is probably
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: why I like doing Spiritual Direction too. But there's yeah,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and there's like it feels like it's like a kind
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: of part and parcel the same thing. So yeah, but
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: it's meant a lot to me obviously to hear that
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: what the record is meant for people, whether as a
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: musical influencer, just as like thematically or just how it
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: sort of spoke to them in a certain season of life.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful to hear when people share those things.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, I just think
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: it's one of the most beautiful albums. It's actually not
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: my favorite Me Without You album, but I do think
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: it might be like if somebody were to, like, if
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I were to have to introduce somebody to Me Without
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: You with one specific album, I do think it might
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: be the best representation of all the things that you
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: guys ended up becoming. Uh like it just it feels
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: like it's a good encapsulation of all that Me Without
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: You does really well.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: But it's still not It's not my favorite. A Pale
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Horses is my favorite.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but that record exactly, Yeah, yeah, no, that's yeah,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: it's a great way, ye know, exactly exactly. I will
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: say so as much as I love a brother sister,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: it did set me up for a little disappointment because
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: you know, watching uh the Nice and Blue video made
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: me think that I would see you guys in spandex
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: uh or in Speedo's way more often than we ended
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: up getting to see.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: So I will quite disappointed that we didn't. I Oh right,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: you're right, that is true.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just was really hoping to see you
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: guys in speedos way more often, especially though, you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: because you guys are all very hairy.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Dude.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I was.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: I was definitely. I was definitely exactly.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I was definitely hoping for way more speedo uh uh.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I will say, like, you know, you guys
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: were clearly popular, but I'm just saying, like, you guys,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the sex appeal you guys had, you guys could have
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: really like, I mean, like we should have.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Right, right, we should have. We should have leaned into
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that because that would have been like our sliding doors
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: moment of kind of you know, being launching into the
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: stratosphere of musical stardom because of our our sex appeal
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and fashion sense. No, it's funny because that we did
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: do one. We would typically if we were on tour
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: doing Halloween, we would like dress up or do something,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: sometimes as a theme, but usually just kind of separately.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: But that two thousand and six we were playing in
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Pomona at the Glasshouse, so that the year that record
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: came out. Yeah, we had a show and we decided
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: to do that and kind of regretted it pretty quickly.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I think it was like a little embarrassing. I felt
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like a little you know how, a little vulnerable and exposed.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: We all had guitars and you know, Ricky had the
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: drums to kind of maybe like obscure you know what
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: we weren't wearing. But Aaron was, you know, kind of
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: just out there in front and center. So that was
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the last time we did that. So I am sorry
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: for all disappointed bands that we didn't Compand.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I would I would have been like a beatle girl.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: And the brit I love it, screaming and.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, especially I would imagine once Aaron comes out.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I bet I've met all of those you.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Know, your youth all those youth or youth group girls
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: would have been.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: So much stumbling Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I bet exactly, exactly, definitely stumbling blocks. Well, well, thanks
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: so much for chatting about brother sister. You ready to
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: dive into bands that on paper you should like but
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you just can't get into, And then on the inverse,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: bands that on paper you shouldn't like but you just
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: really really love.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: You ready to dive into that.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Greg, Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Let's do it, do it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: So let's do let's do that first category so bands
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: that on paper or maybe a band doesn't have to
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: be uh multi, but a band on paper that, for
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, uh so on paper you should like, but
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you just can't quite get into.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this the first one that came to mind.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I thought of a few, but like this one, I
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: just because it's because they're so iconic and have you know,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: such a place in like rock and roll history. But
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm almost embarrassed to say, well, I'm not
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: embarrassed to say, but I know it's come up in
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: conversation that people have been surprised. But a band that, like,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: you know, has so much influence and so much history
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and rock and roll that I just, you know, beyond
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: like the one or two you know, like mostly well
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: known songs like I just I can't get into I
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: never had a phase with. But it's Led Zeppelin. I
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: really again, a classic rock pantheon I get, like, I
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I appreciate the history, like I understand their place you know,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: in the you know, in the ancestry of rock. But
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: they're just like a band like you know, it seems
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: like people have these sort of entry points right growing
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: up to you know, to rock and roll rock music
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: or sub genre subcultures, and you know, usually classic rock
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: bands tend to you know, sort of have that place
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: for people, and they're just like, I, you know, it's
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: not even like an active dislike it's just like sort
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: of what's ambivalence? You know, so yeah, you know take that,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: you know, take that for how you'll take it.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: But that's that's to be honest, To be honest, I'm
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: like that with the Beatles, Like I just sort of
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: feel ambivalent to it. Uh like I understand like they're important,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Like I get it, Like I get it, Like it
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: makes sense like given where they were at historically, I
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: get the context of like why they were so important.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I get all of that. All of it makes sense.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: It's just like my own personal listening. It's just like
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't really work well with with the Beatles for whatever reason.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, that surprises me, But I guess that's
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: the point of this. You're always kind of like, oh wow.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: That's yeah right exactly.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: You're just like, yeah, so all right, what about a
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: band on paper that for whatever reason, and you wouldn't
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: be you wouldn't exactly like be known for liking, but
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you just absolutely love.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so sort of how I said, like people have
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: these entry points. I feel like my entry point. It's
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: not that it's like super unique, but I do feel
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: like it has this kind of funny you know, uh
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: perception to it maybe, but for me, like sort of
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: aside from kind of growing up, I like oldies, like
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: my dad listened to that, and my mom listened to
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: like CCM from like the eighties, like Amy Grant all
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: that stuff. So I have like that like in my
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: like child like elementary school years, but coming into my own.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: One of my first entry points into like finding like
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: like my sort of first genre of like rock that
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I really like called my own was funny enough, was
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: like ten Thousand Maniacs, which when Natalie Merchant was the singer,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: and I feel like she's more known now for like
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: sort of like like her late nineties sort of like
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Lilith Fair like folky you know, uh, you know, almost
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: a dult contemporary kind of sound, which she did eventually
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: kind of like you know, take on and but when
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: she was young and a part of this band, who
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like has this reputation of kind of being
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: almost like adult contemporary, but like her presence in the
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: band was like I remember seeing these early videos from
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: like their college year. She's like spinning wildly, like a
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: whirling dervish on stage. Like she like seemed like frantic
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: and had this like punk energy to her, So you know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: through like early MTV videos and things like that, like
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: and and I would say probably before her, although I
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: wouldn't put this on under this category, but like Rim
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: or like like like The Cure, like they had this
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  Speaker 2: kind of this just the Rim kind of had this
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  Speaker 2: similar spirit of the sort of wildness and sort of
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: came from like this sort of punk indie sort of
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: world that you know, like the larger you know, sort
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: of of those bands that sort of you know became
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: bands that were more like into sort of superstardom. Not
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: so much ten thousand AIX, but I remember like seeing
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  Speaker 2: like their unplugged performance when I was in high school
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: and then kind of going back to the older stuff
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: and was like, oh, she has this like wild energy
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and she had like she was she was sort of
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: this voice of like a subculture and sort of like
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: more leftist ideas that I didn't grow up with. So
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: it was this like entry point through this seemingly harmless music,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: but this like wild voice and this like wild woman
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  Speaker 2: who like you know, to this day, like has made
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  Speaker 2: this impression on me. So it's funny because it's almost
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  Speaker 2: like I'm not embarrassed to say it, but I think
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  Speaker 2: if you know me, you're the kind of music I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: play or what I mostly listen to, you might hear
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: that and be like like, oh, that's like what my
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: like my aunt and like nineteen eighty nine listen to.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: But like, you know, so I think that's a band
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  Speaker 2: that maybe on paper, you know, you might not think
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: like had this like huge at least, like the ideology
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: of the band had this sort of like big influence
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: on me, and it was like my secret you know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: doctrination of ideas that were maybe not as well received
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: in my household.
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  Speaker 3: Right right. I love that. I love that. That's so cool.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really listen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I know of a lot of the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: other bands that they were kind of associated with at
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: the time, but I never really quite got yeah to
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: ten Thousand Maniacs themself. It's just like, it's not that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I don't like them, it's just like I haven't probably
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: listened to them enough to really have like any impression
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of them, but definitely like aware of, like you know,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: their importance, especially in like that sort of nineties kind
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: of alternative vibe.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, they were definitely the kind of
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: in like like kind of college radio sort of ILK
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: in like the eighties with like Ram and bands like
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: that like their peers, you know.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's cool. Sweet, Well, thanks for sharing all
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: of that. What do you want to plug?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously you're a spiritual director if people want
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: to do spiritual direction work, if you want to plug that,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I know you mentioned something about there might be some
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: kind of like new like I think maybe you said
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: like a lot like the live pressing of one of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the Meat Without You albums. So yeah, love to hear
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: what you want to whatever you want to plug.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome Nanks Mason. Yeah, so, like Mason said, I do.
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  Speaker 2: I went to Quaker Seminary and studied spiritual direction, and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people have questions about what
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: that is, and I don't love the term for the practice.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I like to think give it as spiritual companioning or
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: maybe kind of coming alongside somebody as they're sort of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: doing their own exploration and meaning making and unpacking about
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: their spiritual practice, but beyond that, like just life, just
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: paying attention to the movements of life and the movements
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: of the heart. So if anyone has questions about that,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: or is curious about it, or wants to practice it,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: you know, feel free to reach out. My practice is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: called True North Spiritual Direction, so it's True North Spiritual
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Direction dot com or True North Spiritual Direction on Instagram,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: which you can find on my page, my personal page,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: which is Leave Our Hands. So yeah, that's something I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: do with folks. I'm working on a new Geology EP,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: which is my own kind of home recorders solo project.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I've been working on a group of songs kind of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: since the fall, and I kind of like kind of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: put it down for a while I was moving and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: other life things were happening, but I'm kind of getting
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: back to it, so I'm hoping to release that in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: a few months and then Me Without You is as
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: some people that still follow the band on social media
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: or the movements of the band these days, which are
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: few and far between, but have been releasing live albums
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's been released when the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Volume three is coming out. So we did Volume one
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: and Volume two Volume three is coming. As most people know,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: it's not really a spoiler or anything, so I believe
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: the digital version will release first, the streaming version and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: probably the digital version to purchase of Volume three, and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: then as the other two have come, you know, there'll
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: be a I do not know this but when the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: release date is as far as or sorry, when the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: data is for pre ordering the vinyl, but they're will
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: at some point in the next six eight twelve months
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: be opportunity to buy the vinyl for that. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: so yeah, it's kind of been in my world as
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: far as you know music and vocation.
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  Speaker 3: Go love it, love it. Well, thanks so much for
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: hanging out. Greg.
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  Speaker 1: I just again, like I absolutely love Brother's Sister, one
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: of my favorite Me Without You albums, and I just
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: like know the influence and the impact it's had on
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: so many different people, and so I just felt like,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: you know, it's worth, especially on its twentieth anniversary year,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: to you know, look back on it, to talk more
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: in depth about it, and you know, to sort of
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: celebrate it in the way that it really should be
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: celebrated on a twentieth anniversary. So just appreciate you so
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: much for chatting more about it.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, thanks Mason. I appreciate you too, thanks for your
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: thoughtfulness and I always love having these conversations. And yeah,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: it was really fun to be here, so I always
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: appreciate you, you know, when you ask me to come on,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: So thank you.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks man,