Latest / Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro / Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro: John Turturro

Transcript

Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro: John Turturro · Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: I used to walk these steps a lot. I used
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: to stay here a lot when I lived, when I
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: was doing Blue Bloods. People say, don't make too much noise.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: You see these steps?
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: You're out of breath.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: All right. Pizza delivery, John.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think I ordered that pizza.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, you did.
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: It's called happiness.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: It's called delivering happiness. That's the name of the show.
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and delivering happiness. And also delivering happiness.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: Well, look at it.
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Let me smell it. Look at it. It smells good.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe have some later.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no. I don't like, I don't like, I like
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: pizza right out of the oven. Right out of this? See,
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: this is the kind of pizzas that we had in
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: Do the Right Thing, which were always cold. You would
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: never eat any of that pizza.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Well, you can, and I got a trick how you
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: can heat it up. How do you heat it up?
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: You put it in a microwave for 15 seconds.
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: And then on a flat pan for about 45 to
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: a minute. Flat pan goes in the oven? No, no,
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: listen to what I'm saying. Put it in a microwave, right? Yeah, right.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: 15 seconds, because otherwise it'll get mushy.
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: You gotta let it get cold first. Put it in
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: a microwave, then you put it on a stove.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, and you put it on a pan?
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: On a pan.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: Like a baking pan?
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: Whatever, like you make eggs in.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? Oh, that kind of pan.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like for a minute. 45 seconds? Maybe a minute.
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: It comes out better than even... Really?
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So why do you need the microwave if you're
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: putting it in the pan?
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Well, the microwave is when it gets really cold. Oh, okay.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: You could bypass the microwave. You could bypass it? Yeah.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: So you just put it in the pan, low flame?
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: Low flame.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, see this? You learn something new every day. Anyway,
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: nice to see you. Okay. Thanks for finally doing the show.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: Right, okay. I hope I get paid a lot of money.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We have a T-shirt for you. Okay.
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not putting any.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: You don't have to put it on. We'll just show
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: you the shirt. Yeah. Prince Street Pizza. I'm wearing it.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the family. What family?
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: Prince Street.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Too many Italians. I stay away from them. See that?
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: It's a good shirt. Look at the front. It says
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: spicy pepperoni. Yeah, but the front's nice. Sergio Tocchini. They
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: sponsor us.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: This is like for Aaron Judge or somebody.
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: Look at the size of this thing. It's large. What
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: are you, medium?
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: Look at my body and look at this shirt.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: You're telling me.
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: Way too big for me. I'm in good shape. I
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: need to have medium.
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: Medium? At all times. Medium. Wow. I'm the same weight
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: I was in high school. 175?
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like 180, 178. I was 185.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: Do you weigh yourself a lot? Do you have a scale?
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: I have a scale. How often do you weigh yourself?
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: I weigh myself. I don't have to weigh myself.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: Once a week. Yeah?
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's it.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: But I don't have a 32 waist anymore. What do
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: you have?
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: 33. 33. Thirty-three.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: Thirty-three. Thirty?
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: No, thirty.
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: My length is thirty-three. Thirty-three.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: It's like, sometimes I get a thirty-four pants. What do
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: you weigh?
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: Eleven? Twelve?
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: Shoe? It depends. Your feet spread.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, sometimes thirteen, sometimes twelve, sometimes twelve and
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: a half.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: You know, your feet spread. You.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: I wear orthotics because of my arches. But as you
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: get older, your feet get flatter and your toes spread.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: What are these you're wearing? These are Italian hiking shoes.
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: I bought them in England. Scarpa. They're really good. I
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: like them. But they kind of have a hard toe.
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if I should get a half a
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: size bigger.
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: But they're really good.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Hard to get a good walking shoe. I don't like
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: walking in sneakers all the time. I go back from.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: You still wear the hokas?
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: The hokas, but I also, for years, I wore the
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: New Balance. And I still have a pair of that.
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: Because you had some... Yeah.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: I had plantar fasciitis bad when I was younger. And
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: then I went and I got these orthotics made for
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: my feet at Enslow. And I wear them half ones
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: and full ones. Depends what it is. I just don't
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: like to be in sneakers all the time because it's
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: good to change footwear.
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: Is the plantar fasciitis better now? Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: No, but I have to wear orthotics. Orthotics? Yeah, and
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: I do my exercises. Right. Yeah. I never had high
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: arch feet. No? I never had really high arch feet.
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: I think people could jump really high. You usually have
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: like high arches or something. Yeah. I was just watching that.
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: thing on Jerry West. They did the logo. It's like
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: a two-hour thing. Oh, really? Very interesting.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: On Jerry West?
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: He had a very.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: Dark life in many ways. I mean, it's almost like
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: about a great player, but he really suffered from depression. Oh,
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: Jerry West, huh? Yeah, he had a rough life.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: He had a terrible, another abusive father. Really? Yeah. He
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: used to sleep with a shotgun under his bed. Who?
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: His father? Jerry West did. Jerry West?
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: To protect himself.
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: Against his dad?
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: That's right. A lot of these men of a certain
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: generation either beat their kids or they beat their wife,
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: beat their kids. There's a lot. It was just never
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: talked about. In a lot of different cultures... Whether it
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: was minors from West Virginia, Italian culture, black culture, I think.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of cultures. Spanish culture, where it's patriarchal.
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: And the man is like this scary figure. And the kids,
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: he really absorbed it. Basketball was his savior, in a way.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: He's a real perfectionist. He never wanted his father to
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: ever come watch him play.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: Never?
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: No. Really? You can't really forgive someone after a while.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: He says in the documentary, he says, I can't really
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: say the words I love you.
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Right.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: But he can't really say that. What's the name of
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: the doc?
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: It's called The Logo.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. It's new?
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's new. And I just, because, you know, I
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: grew up watching him all the time. And he was
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: a great GM. Not a great coach, but a great GM.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: Architect of a lot of teams.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: That's your favorite sport, basketball, I know.
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: No, basketball is my favorite sport. I said it's your
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: favorite sport.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: You know why?
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: Well, boxing was my favorite sport when I was a kid.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: because of Daddy, and because I used to buy all
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: those Super 8, 8mm films from Jim Jacobs, who was
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: the handball champion and was Mike Tyson's manager, and it
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: was a way of bonding. It was really a way
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: of bonding.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: With you and Daddy.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: It was a way in to get, you know, and
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: he enjoyed that.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: They were 8mm. He used to buy them. I have them.
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: I still have them. You still have them?
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: I still have them.
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: And he would put it on a projector. Yeah. And
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: then he would put these old fight movies up.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: They didn't usually, it wasn't the whole fights. It was highlights. Excerpts.
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: Certain rounds.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: It was, because it was only 10 minutes long or,
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: Do you have the projector?
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: I don't have the, I have the film. You have
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: the film. I do have, someone gave me a projector.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: I have a, yes, I do have an 8mm, you know,
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: a camera.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: Because I shot, the credits for Fading Gigolo. Oh, yeah.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you bought one? Yeah, I have one.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: And actually, to get the film is really hard. But
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: it's beautiful when you... We shot all.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: The credits for that. You would like that.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's beautiful because it's liquid, you know. But anyway,
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: that was my way in. But basketball.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: How did you become.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: Basketball, I fell in love with basketball at junior high school, 59.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: I was bussed out. You know, I lived in a.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: primarily black neighborhood in Hollis. And then when we moved
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: to Rosedale, that was more like Irish, Italian, Jewish. And
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: the black neighborhood was Springfield Gardens. And then when I
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: was bussed out to 59, junior high school 59, then
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: became IS for 6th.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: 7th, 8th. So 69, 70, I'm 78 years old, you're already.
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: No, when I was in fifth, I went to fifth
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: grade for public school in Rosedale. And then I got
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: bussed out to Springfield Gardens, and I was in sixth grade.
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: So I was, what, maybe 68 or something like that.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: Like maybe I was 11 or something like that. And
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: I watched guys play from Andrew Jackson High School. In
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: the morning, they would play full court. And they were
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: really good players. There was a guy named Johnny Revels,
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: Johnny what?
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: Revels, his name was. He was... And sometimes I'd bring
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: a ball, because I was starting to play a little bit.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: But I really fell in love with the game then.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: And I was 68. I started following the Knicks, who
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: were a pretty good team before they had the Buescher.
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: And then they traded Bellamy and Comives for the Buescher.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I always read the sports pages. I read,
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: I watched the Yankees. I watched the Mets. I didn't
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: really watch basketball, you know. I watched the Jets, I
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: watched the Giants, and I followed sports.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: When did you pick up basketball?
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: That year.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: Around that year?
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: Sixth grade. Yeah, in sixth grade. And I started playing.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: And then I played into murals and stuff. And I
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: fell in love watching the Knicks and stuff. There wasn't
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of games on. We listened on the radio.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: But I really, the sports writers of those days, Times
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: were very, they painted pictures of the, they were very powerful.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: The New York Post, which was a liberal paper at
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: the time, had a big, huge sports section. And I
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: used to buy that once in a while.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: They were liberal?
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a liberal newspaper. The Post? Yes, very
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: liberal newspaper. It wasn't until it was bought by, I
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: don't know if it was Murdoch, it wasn't, yes. The
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: Daily News was more conservative. The Long Island Press was conservative.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: sort of, you know, in between. There was, but the Post.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: Were you a Daily News or a Post guy? I
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: loved the Posts. There were some great writers. And then
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: there were, like, Dick Young. He and, that was before
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: Mike Lupica. There were these guys, and the guy who
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: did all the, Phil Pepe, and then there was the
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: guy who did all the cartoons in the news.
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: George Gallo?
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, George Gallo. But Dick Young had a lot of power.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: he helped people get treated I mean they were really
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: so I would look at the cartoons and get sports
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: illustrated so I liked all sports but I felt that
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: was like no one ever told me about basketball and
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: I fell in love with it on my own and
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: then I was you know I got pretty good then
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: I broke my leg and everything and then I played
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: in high school and I played on the church team
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: and stuff but You know, it's a beautiful game when
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: it's played, you know, as a unit and when the
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: ball moves. I don't dig all this isolation and stuff.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: And then Dr. J came and we used to go
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: to ABA games at Comac Arena. And so, you know,
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: it was special because we didn't see home games. We
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: only saw away games. The Knicks was blacked out and
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: we listened to Marv and Marv Albert, and we had
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: a little basket, and I used to make you, you know,
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: we used to play basketball during the game, me and you,
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: and that's when you started playing, and then I used
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: to make you, I used to dunk on you sometimes.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: We used to play puff basketball.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Puff basketball.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: In the room. In the room.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: In a tiny room.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Deadly games.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: That we shared. Deadly.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: But, you know, you fell in love with, and that.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: Team was a special team, because it was like, there
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: was one coach and a trainer, Danny Whalen and Red Holzman,
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: and It was a beautiful team. And I, you know,
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: I really, that was a team that I fell like
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: madly in love with. And I don't think there's any
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: team ever in any sport I mean, I did like,
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I followed the Mets and I followed the Jets.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: I loved the Giants, but they were never good. They
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: had Frank Tarkington for a while. And the Yankees weren't
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: that good.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: But I used to watch.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Roy White Bobby Mercer.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: Thurman Munson.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: Thurman, no. They didn't have Thurman Munson. Then they got
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Thurman Munson. I remember when he was a rookie.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: Thurman was 68, 69.
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I watched before that. I watched before that,
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: and they didn't have a very good team. And then
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: they got Thurman, and I liked the catchers. I had
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: a catcher's man.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: You told me you liked first baseman glove.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: I liked that too, but I also, I particularly liked
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: the guys who played catcher. Okay. Always. Because you told me.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: They were my favorite. Willie McCovey I loved.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: You said Don Clendenin was your guy. No.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: My favorite first baseman was probably Willie McCovey. Don McClendon,
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: because he was on the Mets.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you said you might be a Mets fan.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: No, I had no idea about Yankees and Mets because
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't grow up with Dodgers, Yankees, Giants. And a
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: lot of people, like in Joe Torre's family, they were
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: all Giants fans.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: And they lived in Brooklyn. So you're a New York fan?
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I rooted against.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: You're not like, you're a Met fan, you're a Yankee fan.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: When the Mets were in the World Series, I was
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: rooting for them. You're a Giant fan, you're a Jet fan. No.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: You root for all New York teams.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I was more Giants than Jets, but
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: the Jets, with Joe Namath, was a special team. That
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: was a special team. Yeah. And I was for them
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: against the Colts. Right. My cousin Ralph's family were all
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: for the NFL. But I liked AFL because they were
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: like the ABA. They had the loud colors. They had different,
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: they were trying to get attention. And I liked that.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: And just like the ABA, there were a lot of
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: great teams in the ABA. And they didn't maybe play
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: as much defense or whatever. And there's an evolution of
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: all these sports. You see these guys, when I was
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: interviewing Cecil Fielder, he said, I was a big guy
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: for this Joe Torre documentary. He said, now I would
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: be like, I'm tiny. Compared to these guys. They're like giants.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Big people.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: They're giants.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: And so different nutrition people are, you know, they train differently.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: These guys had jobs in the off season. But I
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: think to fall in love with at a certain time
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: when they were not so accessible and they didn't talk
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: that much and we didn't see them that much. we
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: fantasized about these guys. And we were like, wow, you know.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Imagine meeting, when we went to Willis Reed's MVP show,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: we had tickets we got. He was carrying his change
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: of outfits. He had to do two tapings back to back.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: And he had no entourage. He walked in, he had
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: a safari hat. And they weren't as media savvy. But
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: there was something about Even listening on the radio, when
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: you said listen, it was so exciting. And Marv, and
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: those radio announcers, whether it was baseball or football, they
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: were like artists. People on TV do not have, they
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: don't have to paint the picture. So I think, you know,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: when you have a small house, I mean, the Hollis,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: we all lived in the same bedroom. There I had
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: a bedroom that I could share with Ralph and then
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: with you. But You know, it was, I remember reading,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I had my scrapbooks downstairs.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Someone was looking at them.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: And I had, you know, boxing scrapbooks, basketball scrapbooks, all
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: sports scrapbooks. But I loved, I used to follow the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: statistics of baseball players. And I didn't really play baseball.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I played, you know, outside in the street
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit. There were people who were really good,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: like my friend Vinny at stickball. And they were really
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: good stickball players. And I was never like that good
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: that way. But I used to like, Daddy and I
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: used to throw the ball back and forth. And I
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: had a catcher's mitt. You actually had a catch with him?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I had plenty of catchers with him. I have no
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: recollection of that. I never saw my father with a
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: baseball club. No, he would throw the ball to me.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I would catch the ball in front of the house.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I'd throw the ball back to him, and he would pitch,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: because I said, I want to catch. But mom liked
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: sports a lot. And I think her first guy, he
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: played basketball. And so when she saw me playing basketball,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I think that was like a whole... Because she came
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: to some of my games. They never came.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: No, I came.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: But in high school, you couldn't come, because it was
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: after school.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I saw your high school games.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: A little bit. I saw your high school games. But,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: you know, it's... He also played in a Lutheran league.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. He played his best basketball.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I played my freest basketball.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: And he had a big Afro.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: They were like 13-0. Tell them that story.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: You know what? Well, then they found out that I was...
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I was a Christian, but... I would go to Lutheran Mass,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: because I brought in, but then we brought in another guy,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: John DeViga, and my cousin Joey, and we went from
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: a mediocre team, I was an all-star, to we were
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the best team in the league. And then they found out,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and they threw me off the team. And I did
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: go to, I went to church.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: You went to Mass there? Yeah, I was, I liked it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: There was no, it wasn't different.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: How did they find out you were Catholic?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Because I was good, because I was good. And maybe
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: because there were other ones, and yeah. So then my
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: mother tried to defend me and stuff. I was really.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Who was the coach, John?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Bill Hines.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Bill Hines.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: But I had some really good games.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: He used to eject me from the gym sometimes. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Because I used to yell. I did have some good games, yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Because I played, you know, the truth of the matter is...
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: When you do anything and you're relaxed, you can do anything.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yep, when you're relaxed.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: You're relaxed. And you watch pro athletes. They get nervous,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: they shrink.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Everything changes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And when you talk to some of these guys, in basketball,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it's happened so fast. In baseball, you're alone. So it's
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: a little different. You can work on different things. But
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: in basketball, it's so fast that you watch guys, they just,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: they lose... they're professionals and they lose their mojo. As
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: an actor, a performer, if you get tight, you can't
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: do anything. So when you play and you're playing at
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: your best and you're relaxed, i i played really i
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: played against sometimes better players than i played in high
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: school i mean i played against a few really good
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: players in high school and you realize okay these guys
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: are another level physically that that's an There was a guy,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Charlie Alberti. I think he played for Bishop Ford. I mean,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: he was like a man. He was like, this guy,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: he's a man.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: You know you're out of your league.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just, you know. Maybe, who knows? Maybe my
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: best boy would have been boxing. Who knows? But mom
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: didn't want me to do that. So, you know what
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I mean? But, you know, I think you learn a
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: lot from sports. You learn about defeat and failure. Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And baseball is basically a sport of failure.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: In basketball, you don't hit three out of ten people.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Baseball is really hard.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: That's a failure. I picked it up late, and I
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: realized right away, wow. If you would have started earlier,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I think... I would have been better, but I became
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a pretty good outfielder. Hand-eye coordination. Yeah, hand-eye coordination. I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: taught myself.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: You could have been.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could have started a little, you know. Some
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: people have their older sibling do that. I didn't do that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Basketball I did.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Basketball you did that for me. Baseball I had to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: learn on my own.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: No, you did it. And that was your own kind of,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: you fell in love with that. Yeah. On your own. Yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: You know, and I think.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: That's a different thing when someone, something happens to someone
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and you go, you know. But I love, I don't
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: really like, with sports... I don't understand this winning-losing thing.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Because you can win the World Series, and then like
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: six months later or four months later, you got to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: do it all over again. So, okay, it counted. You
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: were the best team that year. But basically, every other
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: team lost, except one team. I don't see life that way.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I don't see life as like you lost. It's like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: you know, you did... You got everything you could get
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: out of it. And this team, okay, managed to score
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: one more run than you. And okay, for this year,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: they could say, I'm the best. And that's the truth
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: of it, really. I don't believe in this thing of like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: you know, this guy, everyone else is losers, and there's
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: only one team.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It's not losers. It's not.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: In other words, it's okay for you if your team
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: don't win a championship? It is. When I watched the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: World Series last year.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, is it okay for you if... If
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: they played... If you don't win a championship.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: If they played as well as they could play... Right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: That's different. And the other team was a little bit
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: better or a little luckier. That doesn't take away from
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: their accomplishment that they made it all the way there.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Because that's something, too.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Just to make it there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Sure. But I think.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in this... One reason I didn't want
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to go into sports is... I don't believe in winners
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and losers. I don't believe in it. In creativity, there's
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: no such thing as that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: But in sports, you play to win. But in sports,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you can be....
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's temporary. It's not forever. And even the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: greatest fighter gets knocked out. And so it's being in
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the battle. It's being in the competition. It's being the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: best you can be. And I'm more interested in sports.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: What the psychology is of it. I don't need to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: know every detail about every pitcher, every fighter, every analytical
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: thing for football. I like to say, what is that guy,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: what is he going through? Like Ernie DiClemente last year.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That guy, I was watching him, I was like, he's,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: he clicked into a whole nother level.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in a zone.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: He was in a zone of like, you can't get
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: me out.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: He believed it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: That's not true, but he believed it. And then he
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: made it true. And he's this little guy. And to me,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that's why.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I watch sports.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I watch when something.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And I thought it was.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: So sad that one team had to lose. Because it
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was a great series.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, but that's sports. One
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: team has to lose, John.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in the definitiveness of a loss.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So you don't believe in the agony of defeat? No.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: The agony of defeat and the thrill of winning?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: If you've played great, then I feel like you still
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: have that. You know the next year, we were there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: We can get there. And a lot of great teams
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: do get there. And other teams... never formed that chemistry.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I think teamwork in sports is really, and chemistry, vastly underrated.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: They have all these guys doing all this stuff. You
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: cannot beat chemistry. Because you plus me, if we work
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: well together, it's not one plus one equals two.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It equals four.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: And then you go, how the hell But these guys
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: do this. They're doing it with me.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: He's moving them around. He's not the greatest hitter.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: So how do you view this Knick team, the last year,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: this year? You've been a Knick fan a long time.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I've been a Knick fan all my life. You have
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a big game. You have a must-win tonight. How do
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you view it? Right now, they're... If you lose this round.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Is it a failure if you lose this round? Yes.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like maybe last year, so far, they got
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: everything they could get out of it. Right now, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: feel like they're still in search of their identity. I do.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Do they look like basically the same kind of team?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: No. They're trying to make tweaks and it's not taken.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: You can't win with one guy. The ball has to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: move and you need players. If a guy scores 10
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: points and he plays great defense and he gets eight
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: rebounds and he doesn't have turnovers, he could be huge
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: effect on the game. Sometimes it's the glue players that
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: make the team. It's not the star always. You think
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a star is always, very few stars can do that.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Even people who were dominant, they needed, Batman needed Robin.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And then you needed a third.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Even Michael Jordan needed Pippin. Other guys, you need a frickin' frack.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: You need a Batman and Robin. I think that You
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: see it when teams have it and then they trade
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it like Toronto doesn't have the same team they had
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: last year They you know, they and then they think
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: they can buy a team No, and it doesn't work.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Look at the Mets. Look at the Mets. They they
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: got rid of Peter Lonzo Yeah, this guy Nimmo. They're
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a mess.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah now I'm not a Met fan, but Peter Lonzo
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: was the fabric of a Met. Well, I don't care
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: about his politics. I I was watching a Jerry West thing.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: He worked for the Warriors. He was an advisor. And
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: he helped, I guess, recommend drafting Klay Thompson. And they
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to trade Klay Thompson at one time before they
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: won the championship for Kevin Love. And he said, if
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you trade him, I will quit. I'm going to quit.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: He said, because this is the backcourt. And they had
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: these two guys, the Splash Brothers. And Jerry West You know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: he knows what he's talking about. He said, I trust,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: when I scout a player, then I eventually, I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: this guy was an architect of a lot of teams.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: He said, I go with my gut. He was a great, great,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: he played against the Celtics. Like, you know, him and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Elgin Baylor, they were outmanned against them. But they had like,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: they would lose by two points in seven games. He
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: lost eight. Finals. He's one of the greatest players in
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the world. He was a loser. He was not a loser.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And he said when he finally broke through, didn't feel anything.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Didn't feel anything.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: He said it was like, it was the losses that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: stayed with him. Because he was so close. But he said,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: this thing works. And I think some of these teams,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: there's so many voices involved. You need people like Gene
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Michael and stuff like that to say, the guy's not
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that good right now, but he's going to get there.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: He's got the right mindset. He fails, and the next
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: day he forgets about it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: He goes, maybe I'll succeed today.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And that kind of player will.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: We'll get there.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I was talking to Bernie Williams. He said, you have
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to trick yourself that you didn't fail. He said, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: if you hit a home run, you have to trick
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: yourself to get that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's my next outback.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I have to just be in the moment and I
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: have to do all these things to get myself that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I can do it. He said, even though you're going
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: to fail most of the time. Those guys understand about
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: because that's what the game is. You fail.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: They had a good unit. They had a good team.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But it came above.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It was more than one thing. Like a guy said, okay,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I can get this guy, move him over one base.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I can just move him over.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Cecil Field, he said, I was a star in Detroit,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: but we lost.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: He was a role player in the Yankees.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: He said, when I came to the Yankees, he goes,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I saw all these guys around me.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: He said, I was so relaxed.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: He said, I felt like I don't have to carry
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: it all.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But you know why? They were buying in.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: No, but.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, you've got to buy in, John. You've got
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to buy in. Yeah, but you've got.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: To buy in. You're cutting Cecil Filder off.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not cutting him off. I'm saying he was a star, right?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, he bought in. He just said, that's not
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the reason he did well. He said, I was relaxed.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: because I knew I didn't have to do everything. And
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: he said, I just, I never was so relaxed because
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I felt like, man, all I gotta do is move
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the guy over. I just gotta do my job. Maybe
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I don't gotta hit a home run, maybe I can
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: just get a base hit. When you take the pressure
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: off of yourself, You know, when you say buying in,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: it's more than that. It's about saying, I am relaxed now.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: He told me, he said, when I was in the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: World Series, he said, I couldn't have been more relaxed.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I get that. But all I'm saying is.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And that's what he's saying, because he didn't have to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: do everything.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: No.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: When you know, okay, Nick's behind me, you know, if
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I get this, if I walk.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: If I get a walk or something.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: He's going to move me. Right. That's it, that's all
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, you
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: take like Darryl Strawberry. Darryl Strawberry was a star, superstar
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: in the Mets. He's had problems and personal things.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: He came to the Yankees. No, he bought in. He
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: bought in. And he didn't have to do a lot,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: but he was so talented. He was able to contribute.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: He platooned with Cecil. Yeah, but he had a big contribution.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: People forget, like, Strawberry is like a bonafide, almost Hall
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: of Fame talent.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: He is a Hall of Fame.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: He would have taken care of himself.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Took care of himself. But I'm just saying, like, those
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: guys came with a great nucleus. Yeah, David Thompson. Another guy.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, I just think that teamwork in life is
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: something that's, you know, everyone goes, this person was the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: best MVP. It's like, the hardest thing is to function
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: as a team. And when you do that, that's a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: beautiful thing. And that I like in sports.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: That I really enjoy when I see them functioning as
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: a group, you go, that's hard.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Hard to do that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And when you see that ball moving around. Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: In any sport, it can be.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Any sport.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: You see like the Blue Jays were playing on all cylinders.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, they did get beat in the end, but,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the Dodgers didn't play their best baseball. They
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: had too much money, the Dodgers.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Well, they know how to win. Too much money. Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: They could be beat. They just know how to win
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: right now. When you learn how to win.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: They're going to change the rules.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: You watch, mate.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: You watch.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not blaming the Dodgers. It's not their fault.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: The owners could have had a salary gap years ago.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: They blew it, the owners.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but John, they've made good moves. They have a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: lot of role players. I'm not saying anything about them.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the system.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Knicks, I mean, I don't think they're
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a championship team yet. Okay. You can leave now. I'm
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: rooting for them. No, be honest. I'm rooting for them.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know you want them to win, but.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I can be a fan, but as Susie Essman says,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: but I'm not an idiot.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I see what I see. I know what I see.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it could happen. I'm rooting for them.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: If the other team outplays my team, I say they're
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: outplaying them. I know. That's it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Are you on social media yet, John?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to be on social media too much.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: They want me to do more Instagram, and I'll be
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: very selective about that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: You have an Instagram, but.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I had to make one because I had a fraud
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: person who was saying they were... So I had to
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: say that. So now I put a few things on occasionally.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: So you don't know about shadow ban, huh?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know about that. I don't want
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to know what people say about me, good or bad.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I don't say too many things.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: People really want to see you.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I like to be yourself. If I could do my work,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: which you can't do nowadays, and never talk about it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You're okay with that? I'd be very happy about it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's like me saying I'm a good hitter.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: and you're batting like 150. You're not a good hitter.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: People know if you're a good hitter or you're not,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: if you have a good percentage. Who's your Mount Rushmore
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of basketball, if you had to pick five guys? I
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: don't like that either. I think this is a new
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: bullshit thing. So if I gave you your Mount Rushmore,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you can't give me your five?
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: No, because every era, no. You know why?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Because every era is different. The ball was different in baseball.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: The nutrition... The guys had to, they didn't get a
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: lot of money. They didn't have trainers.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: They didn't have all these, you know, analytics. But you
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: could pick Jerry West. You could pick somebody. No, I think, no,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I would think. For your money, the way you watch
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: them play.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: No, I think each era, you would say, these are
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the best players in this era.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Of that era.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: And this is in this era.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: And in this era.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: And then this is in this era.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: The game has evolved.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: No, I agree.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, last night, you know, I'm not a huge
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Laker fan, but LeBron played. He's 41 years old.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I watched him play. up close, he's like watching a
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: coach on the floor. He's going like, this guy, so
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: physically gifted, but he's gotten everything out of it, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: he's like a savant when it comes to basketball. He's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a passer.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: He sees the court.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I watched up close with him. I was like, this
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: guy's like, he's like the coach. Yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: All great players are like that, but.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: He's doing something that no one has ever done in
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: basketball at that age.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: At that age, yeah.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: No one.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Who's the GOAT, bud? Do you have that?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: You say Michael's the GOAT? I'm not saying that. You
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: won't say Michael's the GOAT?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Probably when I saw it. But each generation, he even
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: said it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: No, but if I had to put you... He said
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it's a.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's like a.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But if somebody asked you.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: who's your man, Mike and the Mad Dog, Stephen A. Smith,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: kind of like, they just do that to get everyone
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: riled up. Michael Jordan said he doesn't believe this, so
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: she has to go. Okay.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And I think he's right.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: When Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was in basketball, he was the, he was, what?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: He won three.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: High school championships.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: At Powell Memorial, he won three, maybe four, no, three,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: at UCLA, three NCAA championships. Then he was a champion
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: with Milwaukee Bucks, then later on with the Lakers. He
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: was the all-time leading scorer without any three-pointers. So people
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: don't talk about him. He was like the dominant player.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: He could pass the ball, he could shoot, He had
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: an unstoppable shot. And people don't even talk about it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: He was one of the greatest players.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well-rounded.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: He played for John Wooden.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But every generation is different. The game, Magic and Bird
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: took it. Then Jordan took it. Then LeBron has taken it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: You don't see it that way. I don't see it
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: that way. Those guys, if they played now, they'd be
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: different players, right? They'd have different training.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Because it's a different time.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jerry West had a beautiful shot.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Oscar, big O. Joe DiMaggio was incredible. I never saw
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Joe DiMaggio play.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I did. And they didn't play against the Negro Leagues either.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: No. Very true.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: There were some players that were probably maybe Josh Gibson
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: was better than Babe Ruth. You don't know that. No.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Satchel Paige, they said no one could hit him. Listen,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're right about that.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So, you know, boxing was a little bit more integrated
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: than that. But, you know, I don't think it's... You
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: could say the great player of your youth.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Of my generation.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I saw Michael Jordan play a lot. He
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: broke my heart so many times. One of the greatest players.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: So if I said, like, in the 70s, you could name, like... Yeah,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I could name plenty of players.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Your all-time favorite team.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: You know, but there were so many great players. I mean,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you're going to say, you know, I mean, I love Dr. J.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I love Clyde, you know.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Dr. J was, I had never seen anybody like him.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dr. J, everyone imitated Dr. J. He had an
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: influence over the whole thing. Yeah, he did. And he
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: was like beautiful.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And anybody that didn't see the ABA, they really missed out. Well,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the ABA was a renegade league. It was before it started.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Marvin Barnes. Yeah. He wore a fur coat with his
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: uniform on.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, this Gilmore, all kinds of guys.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: They had great fights.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: George Gervin was there, the Iceman.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Iceman was one of the greats.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Rick Barry, one of my favorites.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: The game has changed. Guys, they jump up. They're bigger.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: They're stronger. They didn't lift weights. But I mean, like,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Willis Reed, he played, he had bad knees.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: He played in flat converse. Yeah. But Willis Reed... He
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: was an undersized center. He played against Kareem, Wilt, Nate Thurman.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Bob Lanier. What was he, 6'9? He was 6'9. 6'9.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Willis Reed was at his best. Yeah. I mean, one
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: game against Baltimore, 69-70, he had 36 points and 36
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: rebounds in one game. And Willis Reed was one of
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the toughest guys in the NBA. You do not want
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to fool Willis Reed.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: He knocked out three guys in one game.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Three guys. It's on video.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, I heard about that brawl.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: He knocked guys out.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: They got they got him he was a quiet guy
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: yeah KO'd KO'd wow i mean you should see you're
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: like you're like this guy is like yeah do not
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: fool with him right do not fool with willis don't
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: mess with willis yeah willis was you know my man
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: i loved willis but yeah i used to read those
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Read all those autobiography books. I used to read them.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I would inhale them. The ones about Willis, Clyde, The
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Open Man, The Bush. What do you think about the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: state of movies today?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I don't go to the movies that much. No?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I don't. I make movies.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I do stuff.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I go sometimes. I tend to see films from foreign films.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I love South Korean films. I love.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: But, you know, once again, when you're a kid, there's
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: certain people you like, you fall in love with. That's
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: when you're a kid. It's not the same now. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: can see great performances. I say, wow, this person is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: a wonderful actor. But sometimes when I see foreign films,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I get lost more in the film than I do.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes people are a little bit more conscious
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: or self-conscious and They were a little more unconscious in
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the past. But, you know, a great performance is a
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: great performance. So am I going to compare, like, oh,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: acting has changed? But there were great performances in the 30s.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Charlie Chaplin, great. Buster Keaton, great.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite movie of all time?
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Spike has a favorite movie.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: On the Waterfront. But On the Waterfront's up there for me, too.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: It is, right? It's up there for me, too. Is
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Brando the GOAT? Yeah. I'm not... As far as acting goes?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I think he's a one-off.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Explain that, a one-off. Explain the one-off. There are actors,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a great actor. I might agree with you.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: He changed a lot of acting. Yeah. But there were
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: people before him that he was influenced by. Maybe he
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: was influenced by Charles Lawton. Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Or Cagney.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Or those guys. But Brando, I think... had something, he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: had a poetry to him that you can't necessarily give
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to someone, an eccentricity and a poetry to him that
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think really is inimitable. You can't replicate that.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: That was what he did. And I think he kind
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: of broke the mold with Streetcar, when you see it,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: you're like, as Al Pacino said when we did this documentary,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: he was like, people are watching you.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: It was like unconscious. And then he broke it again
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: in Last Tango. He did something that I don't think
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: anyone would have done something like that. I mean, I
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: think Bertolucci kind of got him to be, expose himself
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit in that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: But, you know, there's actors that weren't.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: That way, who I loved, who got way better.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Like Burt Weingaster or Paul Newman and stuff like that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I love Jenna Rollins. I love Barbara Stanwyck. I love
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Betty Davis. You know, a lot of actresses I've gotten
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: to appreciate. Anna Magnani, to me, one of the greatest actor,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: actresses I've ever seen.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Barbara Stanwyck, I feel the
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: same way. There's nothing she can't do.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Jenna Rollins, I love.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: How about modern?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Anybody modern? Who are modern guys? There's a lot of people.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: A lot of wonderful actors.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Like Tom Hardy?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: He's interesting.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: He's good. Daniel Day? Yeah. I'm a Daniel Day fan.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I don't go and say, oh, I loved it. If
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I write someone a letter.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: That's the way I... You can still be a fan, right?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Are you still a fan? Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: When someone does a beautiful thing, I write a letter
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to them. I've gotten a couple of those letters from actors,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: and you go, you know. But I don't believe in
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: this stuff about, it's not a competition.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't say that.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: You can only be as good as you can be.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: And they try to make it a competition, but it's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: kind of baloney. I mean, Jeff Bridges has always been
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: a great actor. Was he acknowledged in certain things? No,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: because he's so subtle, he's so natural, he's so whatever.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: But I worked with Jeff Bridges twice. The guy is
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: like a jazz musician. Working with him, you're like, this
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: is like playing in my backyard in a sandbox.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: We lost a great one in Robert Duvall, right? Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Someone I loved.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, a great, great, great actor.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: But, you know, those guys are trained craftsmen. They didn't
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: start out in movies. None of them did. And I
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: think you see that. So, for me, I think to
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: have a craft and a skill is important. Then you
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: can get to those other levels. I don't think you
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: can just get there.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Sometimes people can do a couple performances, but then they
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: just disappear. A lot of people disappear.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And some people get better.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Unlike athletes, actors could actually, they can actually get better.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: There are some actors who are actually better.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: And athletes can't, I mean, except for LeBron James. He
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: can do everything. I mean, he can even act.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Can he? Yeah, I mean, I'm also a Curry fan, too.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I'm a huge Stefan Curry fan.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me you were... I loved him in college.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I love him.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: You said you were a little starstruck?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted to meet me.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I saw your face.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that's only in the picture, but I couldn't believe
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: that he saw me, not on the court, but like
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: nine rows back, and he wanted me to... He told
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the guy to come over because he wanted to talk
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: to me. And I was like, He was warming up early,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: and I was just mesmerized. I was like, wow.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: But he's aware, like Jeter, of everything around him.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: He's a lot like Jeter. He's like this.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: He's like taking everything in, and there's a joy to that.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: When it's all about you, you can never be that joyful.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: You can never do it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Because if I'm aware, I'm like, okay, taking everything in,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I'm part of the world. Right.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: You think that's part of his.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Not only is he so talented, but that's also part
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of his whole, what makes him, that's what makes Jeter
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: like Zayn al-Waqari. They can see.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: They can see like everybody. There's a reason why you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: love certain players.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Right. Because they're actually, they're taking every, I mean, I've
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: watched him. I'm going to interview him again, but it's just,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: that's how he played. He was like, he was.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Aware of the whole field. But he took you in.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: He took you in. He looked at you.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: No, he's, other guys are talking and he's like, listening
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: to them and thinking, oh, that's kind of like, and
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: he likes to fool around. But they're not narcissists. You
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? They're not, it's not all about them.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: And that is the key, I think, to life. The
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: joy is what happens between you and other people. And
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: sports is a great example of that. It's a great,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: and that's why people love watching sports, because we don't
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: know what's going to happen.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah, right.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: So, you know, you get nervous, you're watching your team, and,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I don't say things like you say,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you know, when you get a bit of your Yankees.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I don't, but I suffer internally.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Well, everybody's different. I just, you know, I express my
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: feelings differently.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're a real fan. A lot of real fans
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: like your, you know, they say your brother's right about
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: this or that. But, you know, the world changes. So
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: these teams, it's a different way of doing business now.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's a different way. Yankee Stadium
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: will never be as intimidating as it was. The players
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: were talking about it.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: No way. It's not even close. That's why when they say...
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: The history, and I go, what history? There's no history
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: in that building.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: There's none. There's no history there. Well, they didn't win
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in 09 there. Yeah, they won one championship, but that's it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: In the new stadium? Yeah, you win. I gave you
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the tickets. You win. You saw the championship. But I mean,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: other than that, there's no history there.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: It's... I don't know. I think it's... You know. It's
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: interesting how certain players you just... you just gravitate towards.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Bernie was telling me a great story that he's the best.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: He's like, the guy's a real artist. He just was
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a baseball player. He went to performing arts high school.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: He's a classical jazz, I've watched him in concert. So
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: have I.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: But he says to me in his interview, he goes,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I've done a bunch of them now with him, and
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: he said, when he Boston played New York, he said,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: He would be fascinated. in the outfield about watching the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: fans and in Fenway even the next day he said
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: and he would get distracted he said because he would
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: he was waiting for the fights to happen and then
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: he would see the guys going falling down the rows
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and stuff and he said all of a sudden like
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: a ball was coming at me. I had to, like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: wake up. I was in the game. But I was completely,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: he's like, he's hilarious.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: So he was giving you some great stuff.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: He was telling me stories, like, thinking like, oh my God,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I gotta catch the ball. You know what I mean?
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Everyone makes fun.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's a beautiful guy. He's fantastic.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: He's the real philosopher about, uh, about the difference between
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: music and baseball, about timing, about picking your cue up,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: about rhythm, hitting, getting in the right framework. He's a very,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: very beautiful player to watch. and very underrated, borderline Hall
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: of Fame guy who didn't get enough. He's very happy.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I know, but what a postseason winner, player.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: He's a very happy person. It bothers me when they
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: say core four, and I'm like, come on, what core four?
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Core five. Core five. I mean, he was essential.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: You hear that?
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't have won the championship.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: There's no core four. There's core five. Change that.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's more than core five.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Could be.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Anyway, he's told me a lot of great stuff.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say them all here, but the
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: story about all the jam sessions. But he's a very
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: unusual athlete.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I like Bernie.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Very unusual.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: He's another guy.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: So when you talk to people like that, you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: whether you're doing whatever you're doing, it has ramifications in universality.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: in other forms of life.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Not just that.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: That's just a metaphor for it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: And it's important to be.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Able to be... I know what it is to be
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: relaxed and not be relaxed.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I've experienced that. I lost my confidence one time playing basketball.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: A guy made me feel very insecure. And then it
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: took me a while to get... And then I learned
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: how to... I was like, I know how to play
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: this game. Then in high school, I got it back
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit. And it can happen. Well, some of
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: those coaches are so... They think they're in the pros
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and they ruin the joy of it for kids who
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: are just high school players.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: They don't want to break someone's spirit. No.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Because you know what?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Most of those, almost probably none of those kids are
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: going to go to play in college. Maybe one or
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: two of them. Unless you played a Malloy or Holy Cross.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Wow. Good luck tonight.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: All right, well, we'll see what happens. They're up against
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: it now. They're up against it. I was in a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: cigar store a place last night in Brooklyn the other night, screaming, yelling.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Couldn't believe they didn't get a shot off with 12 seconds.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: They were outplayed the entire game.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that. Well, tonight they should just try
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to win it out.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: We'll see. The other team gets more confidence. The other team,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the team who's the underdog, all of a sudden, young guys,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: they go, We can do this. We can make this, guys.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Listen, they believe it. Okay.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: All right. Okay?
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks for doing the... Good. Okay, good. Yeah, heat that
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: pizza up in the pan.