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Big Stu-ey: CFB - A Really B1G Problem · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: College football with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, everyone knows the exact right time to
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  Speaker 2: start a college football show is week four of the
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  Speaker 2: college football season.
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  Speaker 1: There's T-Bob again. That's right. Special guests. Glad to be back, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Love coming to hang out with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 3: College football.
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  Speaker 4: Mario Cristobal, head coach at the University of Miami. Thank
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  Speaker 4: you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I don't find any value in.
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  Speaker 1: Humans, like, just spewing.
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  Speaker 3: Diarrhea out of their mouth. With Stu Gotts.
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  Speaker 1: He's a homer. T-Bob is with us again. That's exactly
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  Speaker 1: why I don't wear the damn thing.
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  Speaker 3: I knew I was going to get accused of being
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  Speaker 3: a homer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you are a homer.
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  Speaker 2: us as.
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  Speaker 1: We come out. Glad to be back, guys.
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  Speaker 2: As we come out of week eight. Of the college
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  Speaker 2: football season. Man, T-Bob, this season, we always say we
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  Speaker 2: can't wait for it. We can't wait for it. We
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  Speaker 2: can't wait for it. We're waiting around. This and the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Then it gets here, and it flies by quickly, man.
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  Speaker 2: We are done with eight weeks of college football.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible. Yeah. Yeah, it's you know what, though, actually, instead
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  Speaker 1: of engaging in the dread of the looming offseason, let's
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  Speaker 1: focus on what we should focus on all the time,
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  Speaker 1: which is being present. OK, and let's enjoy the rest
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  Speaker 1: of this ride. And it's kind of it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: a great place to start here, Stu, because. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: this has been a very enjoyable ride thus far. This
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  Speaker 1: new age of college football where we have this increased parity, right?
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  Speaker 1: We have the talent flattening. It seems like anybody can
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  Speaker 1: lose to anyone on any given day. I mean, go
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  Speaker 1: look at the Big Ten and the SEC standings out
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  Speaker 1: right now, guys. It's insane. I mean, hell, you look
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  Speaker 1: at the Big Ten, I think Minnesota's in fourth right now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out P.J. Fleck, row the boat. Yeah. I would
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  Speaker 1: say this. For years in college football, we've done this
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  Speaker 1: reductive thing. Where as soon as the team loses, we
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  Speaker 1: just call them bad. And I see too many people
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  Speaker 1: doing that right now. I think it's ridiculous. I think
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  Speaker 1: you can lose games and be good. We have to
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  Speaker 1: adjust our mindset with college football. My question to y'all
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  Speaker 1: would be, do you like where college football is at
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  Speaker 1: as a whole here in 2026?
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  Speaker 3: As a whole?
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  Speaker 1: No. Well, yes, yes, yes. All the warts and everything, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because all the warts that you may hate are producing
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  Speaker 1: the results that you love on Saturday, unless you don't
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  Speaker 1: love these results.
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  Speaker 3: I think as a whole, there's certainly, I mean, there
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  Speaker 3: always are things that you can improve upon and fix
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  Speaker 3: and make it better. But I, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: what we've seen the last few, even look last three weeks,
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  Speaker 3: you've had AP number one or number two, go down.
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  Speaker 3: To an unranked team, you've got... a bunch of uncertainty
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  Speaker 3: now atop the SEC. Like, you know, I don't even... Like,
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  Speaker 3: who's Big Ten number three? Who's SEC number three? Like,
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  Speaker 3: the Big 12, who's ECC number two? I think outside
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  Speaker 3: of the top teams in the league, we really don't
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  Speaker 3: know much. Yeah, I mean, the product, the games, the results,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of like it. The whole process of how
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  Speaker 3: we're getting here, I think could be improved. But yeah, I...
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  Speaker 3: The game, all the shit that's happening off the field
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  Speaker 3: can turn you all upset about it. But the product
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  Speaker 3: on the field and the games themselves have been freaking great.
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  Speaker 2: You're essentially asking, T-Bob, if we like parity. And, of course, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there are more good teams, more teams that have a
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  Speaker 2: chance to make the playoffs, I think, than ever before.
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  Speaker 2: And who wouldn't be a fan of that because we're
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  Speaker 2: so used to it being, you know, five to ten
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  Speaker 2: programs who have a legitimate shot. at making it deep,
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  Speaker 2: making a deep run, going to a national championship, winning
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  Speaker 2: a national championship. And now it feels like it's more
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  Speaker 2: wide open than ever. And the regular season, which to
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  Speaker 2: me is really what makes college football special, they had
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  Speaker 2: and they still have the best regular season because these
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  Speaker 2: games at a 12-team playoff are still relevant enough. The
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  Speaker 2: regular season is still relevant enough where I am watching it.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, of course, Who doesn't love the idea of
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky suddenly, out of nowhere, having a chance to make
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  Speaker 2: a run and a deep run in a playoff?
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  Speaker 3: Where's Rachel? Is Rachel excited about Northwestern maybe making the playoffs?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at Northwestern out there. I did not
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  Speaker 1: ask this question in good faith, to be clear. I
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  Speaker 1: have an agenda here. And it's not about the 2014 playoff, Bear,
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  Speaker 1: so relax. Although I do push back against the notion
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  Speaker 1: that the regular season is not going to matter. I
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  Speaker 1: think we'll find that it matters in ways you don't expect.
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  Speaker 1: But every single Saturday, if I turn on college game
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  Speaker 1: day I have to listen to what feels like a
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  Speaker 1: super PACs political message about this protect college sports act.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are shoving it down my fucking throat.
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  Speaker 1: And yet I sit there and I watch the games
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think I like this. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I think that college sports needs to be protected.
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  Speaker 1: And yet every Saturday they sit there and tell me
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  Speaker 1: they know better than me. And lo and behold, and
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  Speaker 1: I love Coach Saban. I got nothing but respect for
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  Speaker 1: Coach Saban. What he's done for the game is absolutely incredible.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, you're telling me the man... who had the
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  Speaker 1: most advantages relative to his peers throughout his entire tenure
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  Speaker 1: in Alabama and was able to execute and take full
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  Speaker 1: advantage of those. Like, that's the guy that wants to
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  Speaker 1: go back the way things were. Well, no shit. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people in power always want to go back to the
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  Speaker 1: way things were when others get that power. Yes. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we can't improve things, but it
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  Speaker 1: is dangerous here. Because if you enjoy the parody, you
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  Speaker 1: have to accept that it's only created by the portal,
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  Speaker 1: by NIL, and you have to be very wary of
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  Speaker 1: the changes that you make lest you step back into
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  Speaker 1: the dark ages where these super programs can hoard all
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  Speaker 1: the talent and have their way with everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And I am on the same page as you, T-Bob.
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  Speaker 3: And again, I maybe am on a similar viewpoint because
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  Speaker 3: I am of the belief that There are very few
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  Speaker 3: programs out there, maybe zero programs out there, that are
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  Speaker 3: in a better position to move forward in this era
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  Speaker 3: of pay-for-play, portal, everything, than Miami. You look at the
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  Speaker 3: state with the income tax part of it, the location,
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  Speaker 3: the program, the resources, Canes Connection, all of it. Miami
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  Speaker 3: is in a wonderful position. right now with where college
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  Speaker 3: football is. And I think that's why I fall on
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  Speaker 3: the side of like the protect college sports act is like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna, we're gonna limit the players pay and the
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  Speaker 3: salary cap, but we're not gonna actually have the players
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  Speaker 3: involved to collectively bargain to like, it's crazy. So it
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  Speaker 3: is a, it's kind of like the archaic, the old
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  Speaker 3: school trying to hang on there. And we're going to
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  Speaker 3: worry about capping salaries for coaches, but the players, they
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  Speaker 3: can have no say in anything. Look, whether you like
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  Speaker 3: the toothpaste is out of the tube. Players are going
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  Speaker 3: to get paid and you just got to evolve and
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  Speaker 3: move on. And we're not going to get Bear Bryant,
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  Speaker 3: 190 man rosters. And I like it. It just isn't there.
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  Speaker 3: That's where we are. So yeah, I'm glad you led
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  Speaker 3: down the road of the, the, Tech College Sports Act because, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not a fan.
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  Speaker 1: It's pissing me off.
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  Speaker 2: T-Bob, I don't want to put words in your mouth,
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  Speaker 2: but it sounds like you were telling Saban to do
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  Speaker 2: it in the NIL era.
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  Speaker 1: Like, that's what it sounded like to me. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if we were to put it through the Stugatzian translation machine, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Do it in the NIL era.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, I mean, I'm just, again, it's just... they,
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  Speaker 1: it's just, every time I see it, they just speak
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  Speaker 1: of it with this objective, uh, what, what they appear
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  Speaker 1: to be like objective truth that the sport is broken,
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  Speaker 1: where I see what looks like a potentially a more
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  Speaker 1: healthy sport than we've seen in years in terms of
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  Speaker 1: like more people having hope and programs rising and falling
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  Speaker 1: and coaching like actual football coaching, not recruiting now mattering
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  Speaker 1: more than ever. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to sit up there on that stage with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, 50,000 people in Utah coming out to see
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  Speaker 2: you and say that college football is in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to be doing just fine. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Every marker out there will tell you college football is
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  Speaker 3: not in trouble with the contracts that coaches are getting paid,
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  Speaker 3: the buyouts of coaching contracts, TV ratings, money for television contracts,
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  Speaker 3: money for the college football playoff. The last thing that
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  Speaker 3: anyone with a brain is going to believe that college
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  Speaker 3: football is in dire trouble. I mean, yes. Things can
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  Speaker 3: always be improved.
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  Speaker 1: More organized. That's it.
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  Speaker 4: Wrangled in.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably better, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, more organized. All right. So, sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't mean to make a guy trip there, but
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  Speaker 5: that was good.
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: Quickly, before you get to your next point, because Bear
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  Speaker 2: brought up something interesting to me. If I am a
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  Speaker 2: high school kid, if I'm a high school quarterback, if
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  Speaker 2: I'm a five-star recruit, four-star, it doesn't matter, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: watching UM games and what's going on at the University
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  Speaker 2: of Miami, and I'm checking out the sidelines, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: checking out Malachi Toney, and I'm checking out Mensa, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm checking out the party that happens when Miami plays
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  Speaker 2: football games down here.
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  Speaker 1: That is a place.
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  Speaker 2: It was very much like Florida back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: where if you looked at the swamp, you looked at
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  Speaker 2: the sidelines, that was a place that you would want
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  Speaker 2: to go to play your football, to spend your college years.
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  Speaker 2: And Miami is having a run right now. Because if
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  Speaker 2: I'm a kid, if I'm a senior or junior, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching.
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  Speaker 1: On my television... and Michael.
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  Speaker 2: Irvin's a mentor, and Ed Reed is sitting there, and
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  Speaker 2: Warren Sapp is sitting there. there, man, and it's Miami,
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  Speaker 2: and it's South Beach. That's a place I want to
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  Speaker 2: go to. And so Miami just has this incredible edge
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's fantastic. Uh, they're, they're, they, they've been one of
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  Speaker 1: the big winners of this new era. I guess I,
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  Speaker 1: I just, I don't want people to take this conversation
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  Speaker 1: as being, oh, well, of course y'all are supporting because
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  Speaker 1: Miami again, look at Kentucky, look at wake forest. Yes. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: doing more than anybody with, with Dicker looking at it. And, and,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that the, the Dicker point is important
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  Speaker 1: here and I'll give a Portnoy my. fearless leader that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that I work with. Yes. He made this
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  Speaker 1: point yesterday because the talent gaps are more equal now, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's in Flandreau and you are not just inherently that
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  Speaker 1: much better than your opponent. Your margin of error gets lessened.
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  Speaker 1: A bad play or two affects you a lot more nowadays. Therefore, again,
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing a shift where the actual football coaching is
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  Speaker 1: supersedes the ability to recruit potentially. And now you still
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  Speaker 1: have to recruit yourself to a massive team, but if
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  Speaker 1: you have finances, you get it right. It's not the same,
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  Speaker 1: but like the actual game day coaching is now taking
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  Speaker 1: on greater imports. And we're going to see which guys
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  Speaker 1: are best at that and what you're not.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you look, look at, look at that.
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  Speaker 3: I think they go hand in hand, like the new
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  Speaker 3: coaches that come in, either bringing in their rosters from
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  Speaker 3: the portal or, or the coming in with it. Like,
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  Speaker 3: look at Chesney. Look at Will Stein, like the immediate,
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  Speaker 3: immediate turnarounds coaching does matter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the Will Stein one is particularly well-made. It's basically,
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  Speaker 1: even though the lions have, uh, right at the ship
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, it has a lot of shades of
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  Speaker 1: like Ben Johnson leaving Detroit, right? Where Will Stein leaves
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  Speaker 1: Oregon now sitting there at four and three. just fired
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  Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator, and Kentucky sits alone atop the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing the impact that a good game-day coach can
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  Speaker 1: have in this new era. All right, let's take a
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  Speaker 1: quick break, and then when we get back, we got
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  Speaker 1: five upsets, okay? Unranked teams beating ranked teams to get
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  Speaker 1: into over this weekend. Texas back with yet another top-10 win.
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  Speaker 1: The Big Bag Big Ten. Plenty more to get to
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  Speaker 1: on today's college football show with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening, y'all? Welcome back. College football show with Sue
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  Speaker 1: Gotts of the Bear and special guest, T-Bob Abram. All right,
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  Speaker 1: so five upsets Saturday, guys. UCF beats number two, BYU.
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati beats number eight, Texas Tech. South Carolina beats number 11, Tennessee.
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota beats number 15.
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  Speaker 1: They were favored, but bear, it's a theme, damn it. Yes. Fuck. theme,
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  Speaker 1: unranked teams beating ranked teams. Minnesota beating Iowa. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Wisconsin beating USC.
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  Speaker 4: He's doing a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Which one of these looms largest, rings loudest when you
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  Speaker 1: hear these outcomes?
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  Speaker 3: Cincinnati beating Texas Tech in the fashion that they did.
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  Speaker 3: We all were knee-jerk, prisoner of the moment with all
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  Speaker 3: the Big 12 love from the previous week off of
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  Speaker 3: the BYU-UCF game, I mean, the BYU-Notre Dame game. But
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  Speaker 3: I think Texas Tech going to Cincinnati, and Cincinnati obviously
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  Speaker 3: had a bit of a red asshole for the whole
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  Speaker 3: Brennan-Thorsby situation, were out to prove a point, took the
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  Speaker 3: double-digit underdog role as a major slight, and they kicked
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  Speaker 3: Texas Tech's ass. I mean, that was never really a
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  Speaker 3: game that was in doubt, and give Scott Satterfield and
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  Speaker 3: the Bearcats a ton of credit It feels like now
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  Speaker 3: it had been kind of noticeable that this Texas Tech
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  Speaker 3: team was clearly not the type of team that we
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  Speaker 3: saw last year. And it just felt like we were
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  Speaker 3: kind of waiting for them to kind of get that
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  Speaker 3: law done. Look, they went on the road last year
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  Speaker 3: to Arizona State and lost a game in their rally.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think this team is in the same strategy.
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  Speaker 3: I would be surprised if they... they may lose at
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma state as well. I mean, that's a game that
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  Speaker 3: could be a very difficult game. They don't play BYU,
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  Speaker 3: they don't play Utah, but this is not a team
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  Speaker 3: that's going to finish whether they made the conference championship
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  Speaker 3: game or not. They're not going to finish with just
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  Speaker 3: one loss. It seemed like there were a lot of,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of happy people out there that Texas tech
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  Speaker 3: did take this one on the, on the chain with
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  Speaker 3: the way things transpired in the off season with Swordsby
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  Speaker 3: and just kind of this renegade type program. And when,
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  Speaker 3: when you're prominent financier, it takes to, social media and
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  Speaker 3: voices of displeasure, things are probably not going well. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Hell hath no fury, like a billionaire scorned bear. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Campbell did tweet after the games as quote, there's no
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  Speaker 1: excuse to reason to lose a game like this. We
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  Speaker 1: have to be better. But what I found more interesting quote,
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  Speaker 1: this was back in September. When all the Sorsby stuff
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  Speaker 1: was going down and Campbell was pissed at Cincinnati, he said, quote,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to forget about that. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they'll forget about it either when we're up by 40,
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  Speaker 1: still throwing the ball in the fourth quarter. That's where
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  Speaker 1: the retribution will come. Not so fast, Red Raiders. Still
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  Speaker 1: love Jim McGuire, but that's a terrible loss. Stu.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina upset Tennessee, or beats Tennessee. Sorry, Bear. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: This weekend. Of course, this is one that Vegas was
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  Speaker 1: all over. What were your thoughts on Lenore Sellers finding
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  Speaker 1: his way to the end zone at the end of
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  Speaker 1: that game there and putting South Carolina over the top?
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  Speaker 4: We got a cover, right? Was that the reason we
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  Speaker 4: got a cover, Bear?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. No, we got a cover. Yeah, the game-winning field goal.
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  Speaker 1: Then there was a turnover, and they kicked the game-winning
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  Speaker 1: field goal because it was two and a half. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It was a fantastic drive by Sellers, mostly because it
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  Speaker 2: won me money. I wasn't really thinking too much about Sellers,
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  Speaker 2: too much about the big picture with South Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: I was just honed in on that afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: I was furious at whoever in our group text sent
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  Speaker 2: us something that said, go Cocks, they're up 14 to nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And I was furious because I thought you would just
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  Speaker 2: jinx the bet.
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  Speaker 1: That was you, T-Bob. Thank you. But listen, the SEC
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  Speaker 1: is weird, man.
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  Speaker 2: You have these teams who are constantly winning big games
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  Speaker 2: and then losing the very next week.
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  Speaker 4: And it happened again to Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: And so I just don't know how many teams are
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: going to come out of that conference, which teams are
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: going to come out of that conference, and how the
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: committee is going to figure out what teams to put
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: into the playoffs from that conference.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: You know? Do we feel differently about BYU on the
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: other side of this UCF game? You have to. Because
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I'm in a weird spot where I don't know that
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I actually do. Really? We called this spot tricky. They
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: beat Notre Dame. Great game there. We've seen the emotional
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: letdown script like 18 times, it feels like, this college
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: football season. I feel like this is almost like understandable
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: and everything that BYU wants to accomplish is still ahead
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: of them. I actually don't feel that bad about BYU
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: right now, guys.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: This was one of those things where, look, Everybody got
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: wound up and excited. They were a double-digit underdog at home.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: They beat Notre Dame, controversial finish. They deserved to win
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the game, but Notre Dame did not play great. And
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I think everyone got so, oh, BYU should be number one.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: This is where my world of watching games, having a
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: betting slant, having a statistical slant, you knew BYU was not...
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: the best or the second best or the third best
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: team in the country. You knew with your Vegas power
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: ratings and your Saga rating and your FPI and your
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: SP plus, they're down around 13, 14, 16. That's where
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: they are in terms of rating, but you got to
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: respect the win. And we all knew, we talked about
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: it last week. You just mentioned it. It was like
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: prime upset spot. Like you couldn't paint that. a better picture.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: You couldn't have a better poster child for an upset
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: than what we saw in Orlando last week. One of
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: the biggest wins in program history. Now go on the
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: road to UCF and play the three and three golden
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Knights in the middle of the afternoon in Orlando. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: it's a six and a half point road favorite. It was,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: it was a recipe for disaster from the start and
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: they almost survived it. So give them credit for that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't feel a whole lot different about
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: what I thought about BYU before last week than I
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: do right now. I still think we'll see what happens
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: in the Holy War in a couple weeks when they
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: play Utah. But I still think they are one of
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the two best teams in the Big 12. We'll find
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: out some more about Utah this week.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: So Bear, I'm at the point in the season where
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to think, what will the committee do? So
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: just play this out for a second.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I'm with you.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not that concerned about BYU. But If BYU, let's
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: say they end the season with the same record as
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, who is the committee? So that means BYU
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: has beaten Utah, by the way, and Notre Dame beats Miami.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Or let's say they both lose those games, okay? But
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: they have the same record, and BYU wins head-to-head. They
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: beat Notre Dame. Bad call at the end of the game,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: but they still win. Who does that committee put in
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: if they're only putting in one?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Well, if you're being honest, and we all know that
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: they can certainly– mold their decisions behind any method that
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: they want. But if we're holding the head-to-head methodology true,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: then you would have to put BYU ahead of Notre Dame.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Although I will say, I think if a 10-2 situation
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I think might be different from an 11-1 situation. only
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: because 11 and one would mean Notre Dame would then
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: have a win over number one, Miami. And they might
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: be able to say, yeah, well, it was a road game.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: It was controversial. Notre Dame was a big fate. They'll, they'll,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: they'll say whatever they want to justify whatever decision that
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: they want to make. But 10 and two, I think
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: is much different because then I think that law, that
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: game absolutely has to matter. And you've got to get
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: BYU the benefit of the doubt and the credit for
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: winning that game.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: But, We all know how this goes. BYU fans felt
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: really slighted last year, losing the Big 12 championship game
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: and getting jumped in that final poll. Look at the
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: power ratings. It was not a decision to be made.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Miami had the better wins in BYU. It should not
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: have been a debate, but.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: We don't want to relitigate last year.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: No, no, you are fair. You made it to the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: natty last year.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: No, you do have to justify your existence there. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: if we could have fucking not allowed a block punt,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: we would have won the goddamn national championship.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Wait, T-Bob is cracking up. Do you agree with that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Because I do think 10-2 is different than if they
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: both finish 11-1. 10-2 means Notre Dame doesn't have a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: win against a good team basically the entire year, right?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes. That's a difference, but again, the wild card
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is the Big 12 championship. Is BYU in there? Are
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they not? Because we kind of had this early playoff
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: precedent where what happened in those games didn't matter and
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get you dinged, but it definitely got used against
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: BYU last year. So I'm not sure. How about this?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about things we can be sure on, Stu. Yes.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. I mean, what are we doing, too?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Like, it's over. It's already been over, right? But getting
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: dominated by Wisconsin. The only thing they ever hung their
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hat on at USC under Riley was at least Jadon
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Maiav and the offense was always good. Seven points on Saturdays, too.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Stinking Lincoln.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Is he done out in L.A.? There's a spot. There's
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: a spot open for Lincoln.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And this is the exact spot that we talked about,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: me and Mike Yeh, on our show. If Lincoln left USC,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a spot he would have to go to to kind
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: of go on the coaching rehab tour.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: He can go to Baylor.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: But Lincoln Riley is done at USC.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: There is no question. USC. I'm surprised they put up
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: with it for this long, to be quite honest with you. Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: You know what this is setting up for, right?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: What?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: You know what's going to happen Saturday at the Coliseum, right?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: What?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: USC is going to win and beat Ohio State, the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: backup quarterback, as a seven-point dog after playing like absolute
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: dog shit in Wisconsin.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yes. Because this is what college football is. Yes. Oh,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that is kind of true. Oh, that seems crazy. And
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: then he's back. Your third eye might be open here, Bear.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: And then, I mean, look, we probably don't need to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: talk about this one, but since we've talked about it
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: on the show so much, I would like to give
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: condolences to To the people that I told to prepare
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: their children for Kirk Ferentz to the playoffs because it
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: does look like Iowa pulled a classic Iowa here. Which
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of Minnesota either, though.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Minnesota. A couple of really nice home wins.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I think they're like fourth in the Big Ten somehow
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: right now. Shout out P.J. Fleck and the Gophers. Yes,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I got to be honest.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I was never preparing myself or my kids for Iowa
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: being in the playoff. It was a nice thing to say,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: but I wasn't preparing for it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: They can lose to anybody. They can beat any coin
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: flip type game.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And then that being said, it was still what would
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: have been a soda hat, 200 yards in the game.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: And however, when we talked about spots, the only side
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: you could play on Saturday at Kinnick is Iowa. Wisconsin,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I think the last four games against Iowa, they have scored... 10, 6, 10,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: and 0. Now they're coming in here off of a
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: win against SC. Massive win. Everybody's happy. Luke Fickle's on
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: good terms now. Now you're going to ugly it up
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: at Kinnick with Iowa. It's a team you haven't been
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: able to score on in a reason. Like, Iowa is
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the only side in this game that you can play.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the game of the week,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: or at least the biggest game last Saturday, and that was...
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Texas beating No. 7 Ole Miss at home. Apparently, Texas
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: just needs to play top 10 teams. It's the unranked
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: teams that give them crap because right now, Texas moves
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to 5-1 against their last six top 10 teams. And
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: what do we make of Arch here, guys? He has
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the incredible first half, that unbelievable camera shot where he
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: scores the rushing touchdown. He flexes, he poses, fireworks going
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: off behind him. It was one of those beautiful live
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: sports moments that we seemingly are getting so much better
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and better at in this new era in terms of
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: things that look like they should be in a movie,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: but they're created live in front of us. So this
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: first half, they're up 24-3. And then they completely Texas
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: at second half arch even throws the fourth quarter pick,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: but they managed to overcome and win Stu. They managed
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to finish the fight. Has your opinion changed on arch
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: after that performance?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: It hasn't it's you know, he played well in that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: first half and I know they had, you know, he
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: had the great throw. They kept showing it over and
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: over again, but at the end of the day, he
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: was 18 to 30, 212 yards, a touchdown, two interceptions.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I know he ran for two more, but Mississippi came
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: back and that was predictable. You knew Mississippi, uh, would
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: make a run in that game. But no, I'm not,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I wasn't left, I didn't leave that game feeling any
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: differently about Arch Manning than I did before the game started.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That might be unfair. Bear, did you?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Because I did not. He's still not a guy I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: would take in the first round of the NFL draft,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: It felt like every Texas game that we've seen this
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: year that had been decided late. But that being said,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: it's such a maddening exercise trying to rank power rate,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: figure this damn team out because you put, Wins over
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Ohio State when they're at full strength.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Tennessee and Ole Miss.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Who's got three wins in that?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Nobody. No one.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: If they happen to lose to LSU when they're sitting
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: there at 9-3, their 9-3 is going to be a
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: hell of a lot better than a bunch of teams 10-2,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: and that's going to be a decision ultimately. for the
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: college football playoff selection committee. If indeed Texas does drop
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: one of these games and they, they can lose to Missouri.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: They can lose to LSU. I don't know if they
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: can lose to A & M because Marcel Reed against
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: that defense. I don't like Marcel Reed's chances, but the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: thing moving forward for Texas, if they, if Relique Brown
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: is going to run like that with a frigging man possessed,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: that is huge because we're losing Goolsby on the offensive line.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a big deal in pass protection.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: They can simplify things. get that type of running game.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: And remember, Arch had a big scramble as well. That's
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the shit he did late last year against A &
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: M and in the ball game that made him dangerous.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: If he can do that and feel confident enough in
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: his ability to make a split decision and go, that's
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: going to help them out dramatically. But again, it was
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: good and bad. You see the great play and a
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: terrible pass, a long pass across the field. Super slow.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: What are you doing throwing that ball?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I hope the committee, guys, is discerning enough.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: If they don't lose another game, maybe even if they do,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: to say, look at those wins against top 10 teams,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: against top 15 teams. They're as talented as anyone in
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the country. And the two losses were by a total
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: of six points. I mean, they lost by a field
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: goal to Florida. They lost by a field goal to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: somebody else. But the teams they have beaten, yeah, Oklahoma.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And so I hope the committee is discerning enough to
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: say to themselves, on the right day, Texas can legitimately
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: beat any team in the country, even in the national
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: championship game. They're one of the most talented teams in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the country. I don't care about the two losses. I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: don't care about the three losses. We're putting them into
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a 12-team playoff. I hope.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Well, make no mistake. Like the same way that last
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: year was a weird year where like 10-2 Vanderbilt got
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: left out, this certainly has the feelings that a 9-3
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: team is going to get in from one of the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: super conferences. I mean, right now, you look at LSU, Texas, Alabama,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: they're all sitting on two losses. They all appear to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: be capable of what you just said, Stu, of beating
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: anybody in the country when they are on, and they
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: all play each other. Yes. LSU's got home Bama, home
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Texas at Tennessee. coming up. So, like, it's going to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: get mad down the stretch here in the SEC. On
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the other side of this break, I want to get
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: into the Big Ten. I want to get into Indiana
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and Michigan, but then kind of take a look at
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the conference as a whole and what it means, because
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: speaking of madness, there may not be a crazier conference
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: right now than what's going on up north. More College
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Football Show with Stu Gotts and the Bear. Welcome back
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to the College Football Show with Stu Gatz and the Bears.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: As we teased right before the break, Indiana beats Michigan
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: 13-6 in overtime. I would like to apologize to anybody
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: who watched this game. Maybe if you watch this game
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: with your children.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine watching that offensive non-performance and then being appalled?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: of Big Ten college football fan and then going right
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: into Wisconsin, Iowa? You talk about wanting to put your
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: head in the toilet and vomit after that.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And it's like, so I wanted to troll a little
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: bit Saturday, and so I, like, highlighted the box score,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Big Ten football, baby. And, of course,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: everybody's showing me, like, 9-6 Alabama from back in the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: game that I was involved in. And one guy was like, yo,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: so when CSCC, it's fast defenses flying around, but when
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it's a Big Ten, it's bad. Okay, I can look
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: at a game, and I can objectively meet it where
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it's at, and I can discern– whether or not it's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: great defense or is it just shitty puke on your
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: stomach offense. And this game was so clearly the latter.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, the, the amount of offensive ineptitude in this game,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: whether it's Jason Beck being completely incapable of calling a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: football game, no matter who's under center for the.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Wolverines or Josh Hoover.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. You have Bryce Underwood, just go bring him
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: in there. Like, and then on the Indiana side, They
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: can't run the ball anymore. Hoover misses open guys. It's
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: still a massive credit to Indiana and Cignetti and his
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: coaching acumen. That was why they're so relevant. They're still
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: able to win. But, yeah, neither. I mean, Indiana, let's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: start there. Like, what is their ceilings? How much of
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: a threat are they? Because with a hurt Ohio State
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: quarterback and a UCLA team that's undefeated but not the scariest,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like the Big Ten is suddenly, after all this chest pumping,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: looking like they're in a little bit of hot water
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: when you look at them going forward this year.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I think that they are the safest bet of any
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: of the teams in the Big Ten to make the
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: college football playoff.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Because I don't think they have really any, like, more
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: than one potential losable game. However, that I maybe feel
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: a little bit differently now about Ohio state, but we'll
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: see what happens with Ohio state this week. I mean, yeah, no,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: but I would have thought, I thought maybe that Oregon
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: game might be a little bit tougher, but clearly that's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: not going to happen, but Indiana, at least they still
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: have a first class top notch defense. And I took
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of shit on Saturday and we talked about it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I think during the week as well. I know I
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: talked about it on bear bets, the rumblings out there,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: that Josh Hoover has got something going on with either
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: an arm, shoulder, and then this availability report. I'll be
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: politically prepared.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: That was some excellent trolling by you on Twitter on Saturday,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: tweeting out the injury report or availability report.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, he goes from picking on Indiana to beat Ohio
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: State to questioning and saying we're hiding injuries. Well, you'd
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: probably be the first football team in modern history ever
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: to with 100 guys on the roster to not have someone.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Not a single person. Not a single person was on
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: the injury report. But finally he admitted it. Finally, Kurt
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Cignetti admitted after the game. He's like, he wasn't 100%,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: but we're going to stick with him. So I feel
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: a little vindication. But that's going to be the question.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: If Hoover is incapable of completing a forward pass, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: they have to try and get B.B. and Richard going,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: which they have not been able to do. They need
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Mike Koenig back at center, damn it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Offensive line going. That being said, their defense, with who
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: they have remaining on the schedule, is good enough to
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: beat anybody, get to the playoff, but this is not
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: a team that I think ultimately is a threat to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: a repeat as national title.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Minnesota, USC, Washington, Purdue. Three of those games are at home.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Indiana's going to make it to the playoff. They're not
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: nearly as good as they were offensively a year ago,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: but still a pretty good football team. Just because of
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that schedule, it's got to be great if Lincoln Riley
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: beats them and Ohio State. But just with that schedule,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: those four games, I have a hard time thinking Indiana. Now,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're going to go far. I'm not
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: saying they're going to do anything. I'm just saying that's
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: a playoff team based on the schedule and the fact
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that they only have one loss.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And that loss, man, I mean, they.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Were so close to beating Ohio State at home just
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. So I have a hard
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: time thinking they're not going to make it, that's for sure.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So I agree. But so I guess that's kind of
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the point that I wanted us to kind of arrive
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: at naturally, which is like Indiana may be the class
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: of the Big Ten. And yet none of us think
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: that they have a chance of winning the national championship. Yes.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And really you look at all the, the, the, the,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the chest bumping and, and, you know, the padding on
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the back, the big Tim's done of themselves, how hard
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it is, how quality the conferences and what had kind
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of become the accepted line was okay. Yeah. Maybe the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: middle tier and low tier aren't quite as good, but
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the heavyweights are heavy and they'll bang with anybody and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: beat anybody. But you look right now, guys, UCLA sits
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: atop undefeated. Again, very great story. I love this team.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Still a flawed team, you would think, ceiling-wise. Ohio State's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: right next to them. They're missing their starting quarterback. We
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: mentioned Indiana Falls. Then you get to Northwestern. Then it's Minnesota,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: it's Wisconsin, USC. I mean, you have Oregon sitting at 4-3,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: 1-3 in conference, losing to Illinois. Penn State in a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: year that is wide open. Penn State. Fire James Franklin
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and is now 0-4 in the conference right next to
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Maryland and Michigan State. Michigan sits at 1-3. Their powers,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: their heavyweights are like featherweights this year, guys. It's bad
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: in the conference.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: It really is because I don't think anybody really sees
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: UCLA as a national title contender. The fact we're sitting
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: here talking about, I love Chip. Chip is my guy.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone considers Northwestern to be what we
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: would expect to be a playoff team in here. Ohio State,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: without saying, I don't think they can win the national championship. Indiana,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think is a national title contender. The fact
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: that Oregon fell completely flat on their face, whether it
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: was because of bad coordinator hires, whether it's because of
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: the injury to Moore, whether it's because of youth on
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: the award, whatever it had been, talent evaluation, injury, coordinator hires,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: it was a perfect shitstorm. to have the season go
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: wrong in Eugene, where they put together a lot of
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: resources and expected this to be the year in Eugene
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: to complete for a title, and it's not going to happen.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I would imagine we've seen the last of Dante More
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: now for the remainder of the season with really all
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: of Oregon's goals gone.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, so I've seen people saying that, Bear, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: help me understand exactly why, right? Like, I feel as
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: if we've seen... NFL scouts in the past, like they
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: want you to want to play football because you want
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to play football. Like sitting out of an exhibition bowl
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: game is one thing. If you're telling me that Dante
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Moore is going to shut it down because his goals
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: are off the table, like championships are, uh, wouldn't that
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: tank his NFL stock? I mean, he already wasn't good
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: this year. Like he already came back to try to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: prove that he deserved the top five billing. If he
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't come back and play here, there is zero chance
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: if I'm an NFL team that I would trust him
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in that spot.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: It's a good point. It's a good thing to rationalize.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a contrarian type dissenting view on what,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: because I think most people would say, Why go out there? Now, again,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: in this era now, who knows? Maybe whatever agreement he
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: has in place mandates that he play a certain number
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: of games or unless he is, what they'll say is
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: he's still not fully recovered from his concussion and the
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: injury that happened at SC. He's not clear to play.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: And they'll phrase it that way. That way he can't go.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: But I think typically in the past we would say,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I don't want to hurt my draft stock. I don't
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: want to risk injury. like other guys. Remember the shit
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Cam Ward took for coming out of the game at
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: halftime with a frigging Pop-Tarts ball? Cam Ward is not
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: a team guy. He's a bad player. And then he
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: goes number one in the draft. So, like, you can
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: say what you want, but ultimately I don't think that's
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: going to have a massive way one way or another.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: It'll just be how they phrase it. But if I'm Dante,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: even I would think Dan Lanning would be like– You
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: may want to play, but we're going to protect you
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: here and help you out. And if you really want
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: to play, then we'll take you. But who's calling plays
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: now for Oregon? Like, this could be behind that offensive
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: line with a new play caller for whatever. Like, this
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: could be a really bad deal.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: So I think Oregon.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Dante Moore needs to view this as an opportunity though,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: to show that he can overcome adversity, that he can
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: deal with a coach being fired in the middle of
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the year and come back and prove. Cause he still
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: has the black mark on his entire resume of not
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: showing up in big games. And they have the opportunity
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to maybe play spoiler to a couple of teams here
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: down the stretch. Like, If I'm Dante Moore, not only
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: am I being paid a lot by trying to get
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: back to the field, but for my NFL stock, I'm
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: trying to get back to the field and show that
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to fight through injury because he's going to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: get drafted to a bad NFL team. He's going to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: have to be willing to play when goals are off
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the table there. So, yeah, I think Moore's got to
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: come back and try to finish this thing off.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has to show that he can come back
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: from adversity and keep a team like Northwestern out of
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Who had that on their bingo card at the start
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: of the year? Number 20 Northwestern, a field goal underdog
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: in unranked Oregon.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: You talk about just the– If Northwestern wins this game.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: They get Ohio State without saying, yes.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Are legitimately going to be in the conversation to kind
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: of sneak into that like number 12 spot for the
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: college football playoff because these teams in front of them
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: are going to lose games.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: But we'll see.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Dante Moore going from an Oregon– And staying in college
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: to avoid maybe going to the Jets to maybe stay
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: in college now and still going to the Jets would
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: be like a curse for this guy. What did he
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: do to deserve this?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: The Jets. I forgot I'm doing a show with Stu. Oh,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: my God, the Jets. If only we had the time
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to get this. Aaron Glenn outscored 107-6 in his 24
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: first halves. Listen to me.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I agreed to do this show to get my thoughts
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and my mind away from the Jets, okay?
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: There's no need to bring it up.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen Mikey A smile the entire day today.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I needed him to lose yesterday, and they did. The
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: first good thing the Jets have ever done for me
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: in my life.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yes. Lose. Yes.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, hold on. You have the Chargers as the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: last winless team in the NFL, right?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I did. Yes. What a great bet.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I texted Bear at like 4 o'clock, best bet of
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: the day, Rams.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: That was it. That was it. No elaboration. I just
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: took it blindly. Thanks for the cover, bud. All right. Well,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that'll do it for today's show. Stu, I want to
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: put this in your ear, though. I want to put
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: this in your ear. Just like that, we may have
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: written off Lane Kiffin and LSU too early.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: It's moderate.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: We've got two weeks, okay? We've got a bye week
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: this weekend. Bama's got a bye. But in two weeks,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: everything's going down at Baton Rouge, baby. Why are you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: telling me that?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I'm the one who said on last week's second show,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I said that LSU was going to go into Auburn
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: and beat them the way they beat them because Lane
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Kiffin wants to hold up. We beat the team that
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: beat Alabama, and they did.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know if you saw Big
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Dune last week. We did our college football playoff selection draft.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Who would you be taking at this point to make
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the college football playoff? I had pick number one, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: then I had pick the last pick, whatever it was.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Pick number one, obviously, was Miami. They're the biggest favorite
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: to get in.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: The very last pick of the draft, I took LSU.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I said, I think of all the two lost teams
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: out there, they are absolutely the most dangerous and have
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: the biggest upside, and I think they're a really good
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: bet to make the playoff right now. I think they
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: went out.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Sammy Leavitt coming alive. All right, guys, that'll do it.
• 41:45
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• 41:47
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• 41:51
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• 41:55
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• 41:57
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• 41:59
  Speaker 1: we'll see.